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diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875644 -> so wanting to be a lord while at the same time needing someone to use a whip on you already?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 01:04 danielpbarron: i would like to be as productive in my free time as i used to be in my professional life
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lol, maybe he wants to be vassal
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875663 << btw, ftr i was apparently wrong about this : there's a single solitary comment from the d00d on some shithub somewhere, from ~week ago.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 01:40 asciilifeform: trinque: lulzily, i recently looked at the https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune thing : lo and behold, 'Latest commit b7332fe on Apr 6, 2017' << prolly d00d is truly dead
asciilifeform: ( maybe he was in bum jail ? )
asciilifeform: ( http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vpNY3/?raw=true << plain txt, for folx who have lulhub nullrouted )
trinque: nice amulet he made there.
asciilifeform: trinque: reminds me of terry davis's pile of ?
a111: Logged on 2014-03-05 23:10 asciilifeform: the mechanism in their heads that is needed to dis-invest in an unproductive line of inquiry breaks.
asciilifeform: trinque: consider, d00d went off the rails, but could have instead built cuntoo , 2y ago.
asciilifeform: ( iirc he was nearly barking up the right tree, with the auto-builder thing )
asciilifeform: ohai amberglint
amberglint: Hello everyone
amberglint: asciilifeform: I found someone who can decap your Ivory: http://www.seanriddle.com/decap.html
amberglint: I wrote him an email, and he said he'd be happy to do it
amberglint: this is the decapping that got me interested, he even transcribed the microcode ROM: http://www.seanriddle.com/scn68000c8n64.html
asciilifeform: amberglint: do ya think you can persuade him to come here ?
amberglint: asciilifeform: I think I can
asciilifeform: let him come, reg his pubkey, get in wot.
asciilifeform: i only got 2 ivories, they're a nonrenewable resource
amberglint: hopefully he won't lose interest if I make him go through the standard procedure here
asciilifeform: took me >10y to get'em, and could take another 20yr to get another.
asciilifeform: amberglint: that's the basic litmus test. if comes, gets in wot, then ~possibly~ serious
amberglint: "I do have to warn that although I’ve had very good luck decapping chips and getting pictures, I have had some failures and there is always the possibility that I could damage the chip so badly that pictures would not be useful."
amberglint: he did a lot of decappings, so I think he's not too bad
asciilifeform: i believe
asciilifeform: simply, they're ~priceless rembrandts, and i'd rather not send one to a d00d sight-unseen
amberglint: I understand
asciilifeform: iirc phf already gave one to some d00d who never came back
asciilifeform: the die shots on the linked page look decent, but not high res enuff to actually work from ( is he hard up for hosting, and reluctant to put 500MB photo ? )
amberglint: haven't asked that yet, but he did transcribe a ROM so I guess he has higher res ones
asciilifeform: http://www.seanriddle.com/sc1die.html << suggests that this is the case, the link to 'Here's a 17436x15128 pixel version (HD View on another server)' goes to some microshit site that doesn't actually load for me
asciilifeform: also that signetics is iirc a 3.5uM process. i dunno if he ever did a 1uM die
asciilifeform: ( none of the listed items seems to be even a 2uM, much less 1 )
amberglint: I mentioned in the email that the chip is 1uM, he did not object
asciilifeform: if this were any other ic, i'd say 'gift horse', but in this case 'sapper errs once' ( or , i suppose, twice.. )
asciilifeform: anyway if he comes -- we'll talk
amberglint: good, I'll try to guide him here
asciilifeform: thx amberglint
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz -- decapping, even if done perfectly, is irreversible process, we dun know how many layers even in ivory, and to take pic of n+1st layer gotta dissolve the n-th... )
asciilifeform: and 1uM was just about the last process where optical microscopy yields anyffin
asciilifeform: it's right about on the borderline of what can be done with that instrument
phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery
asciilifeform: phf: aite
asciilifeform: phf: tho imho ideally, we'd still get a decap of #2 after #1 is happily in a ersatz-ivory board and booting the full archaeological soft stack
asciilifeform: ( there could, for instance, be instructions in the physical device that bolix never had a chance to use in os, but exist in some last-days userland proggy like ns etc )
asciilifeform: i also suspect that there is coad that won't work without ~cycle-accurate~ copy of the cpu ( the periodic barfage of the 'official' emulator suggests this -- did they use empty loop delays in place of mutexes, or what, i do not yet know )
asciilifeform: phf: i'm hoping i dun have to wait another full year for those docs...
phf: busywait, cadr particularly is full of it. and yes reliance on particular cpu timing. i suspect there's a limited amount of it, but enough to make fast emulation buggy
asciilifeform: i also suspect that this experiment will need the contents of whatever's in those roms on the ivory3
asciilifeform: ( iirc they contain bringup microcoad )
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/jvkUK << photo of ivory-2 . appears to contain 1 rom, prolly no moar than a 32kB, going by the pin count.
asciilifeform was never able to find a high-res photo of ivory-3. perhaps phf has ?
asciilifeform: there's a buncha shit-res jpg on the net, but they all have the cache daughterboard mounted, which obscures half of the card
phf: there's a few photos that i took, but they are somewhere in the pile
asciilifeform: yes i know who he is.
phf: asciilifeform: that's for the logs, i just thought it was a particularly goofy picture
asciilifeform: all these folx seem quite alike, 9000 mug shots of grinning muzzle, and 0 highres jpeg of board
asciilifeform: much less rom dump
asciilifeform: ( srsly, nobody has a fiddybux TL866a and 10 minutes and can be arsed ?! )
asciilifeform: it's a socketed rom. if yer hands dun grow from arse, there's 0 risk of killing it
asciilifeform brb;meat
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/64-year-old-woman-jailed-in-us-over-cotton-candy-released-months-later/ << Qntra - 64 Year Old Woman Jailed In US Over Cotton Candy, Released Months Later
asciilifeform: phf: imho the ultimate bolix caper would be to rack a coupla working clones at pizarro & rent'em out. but admittedly this is , presently, nearly as far as the moon
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz -- racking an actual bolix is afaik a nonstarter -- the remaining units lack not only the requisite 24/7 reliability / component life , but also any means to cleanly wash the whore between customers, the way i do with e.g rk )
asciilifeform: the mechanics of use is actually 'easy part' -- they take x11 pipe over tcp, and are pretty light on graphics (1bit raster)
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 21:42 asciilifeform: symbolics co. sold quite a few boxes ~the only~ UI to which was x11 over the lan.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/usg-issues-sanctions-against-two-bitcoin-addresses/ << Qntra - USG Issues Sanctions Against Two Bitcoin Addresses
asciilifeform: next up : the number 3137 sentenced to 20 yrs in gulag. ( for being prime and 3137ist scum on top! )
BingoBoingo: I suspect USG is going to try pushing some power ranger to an ethereum type "evil address" fork
asciilifeform: hey, phree coin.
asciilifeform: like the bch thing last yr.
asciilifeform: what's not to like.
BingoBoingo: Well it could be the opportunity for USG to try capturing lords still stuck behind the wire for breaking obscure rules in the where the fuck did that come from book
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as mircea_popescu is quite fond of pointing out, they can shoot these any time they like , by 'oops wrong address for swat'; no particular need for oddball new fatwas for that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i for instance prolly good for three or four hangings, simply on what's in the l0gz
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forget the criminal organization is its own species of especially superstitious orc. They have their rituals too.
asciilifeform: oh and guten tag mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 01:35 trinque: drug users (see: g_l) do this, go around declaring doctrines like lisplinux-chimera god and inventing pegleg rituals of devotion to her
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:10 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: this article is about making a company right? i'm not doing that. im just writing painstaking careful code and giving it to the world for free
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 10:16 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875644 -> so wanting to be a lord while at the same time needing someone to use a whip on you already?
mircea_popescu: "'вялотекущая шизофрения'" lol. that thing's noit even tewibwu.
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=94 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/13/2018
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 15:41 asciilifeform: trinque: consider, d00d went off the rails, but could have instead built cuntoo , 2y ago.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 17:43 mircea_popescu: looky, the past 3 days' work could have been done just as well in 2015 as today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he had a self-building-to-ext-hdd gentoo thing ( but naturally 0 clue as to what-next )
asciilifeform: then again i personally have nfi what % ran and what % 'spreading worx'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875700 << really, a lot cheaper to make a decapper than to make another ivory. so i rather hope he does lose interest, if he's the sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839459 retard.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 15:44 amberglint: hopefully he won't lose interest if I make him go through the standard procedure here
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 20:58 mircea_popescu: !!rate cnomad -10 scammer, ran off with a dime.
mircea_popescu: world really has had enough of those, mid 2018. 0 further need.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf rubbed in this point further downthread
asciilifeform inclined to agree
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875711 << suppose you offer him free hosting ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 15:50 asciilifeform: http://www.seanriddle.com/sc1die.html << suggests that this is the case, the link to 'Here's a 17436x15128 pixel version (HD View on another server)' goes to some microshit site that doesn't actually load for me
asciilifeform: btw i'd kinda like to give those ivories to mircea_popescu for safekeep, if he agrees ( they're pocket-sized, so not 'pogo crate' )
asciilifeform: it'd suck to have'em vanish simply cuz asciilifeform were killed
mircea_popescu: im not prepared to offer "hold your gold for you" services.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is invited to not get killed.
asciilifeform: well it'd be mircea_popescu's gold then. but if he dun feel like it, is entirely ok.
mircea_popescu: ty, but have some crown jewels. what am i, the inca here ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1613027 and all that ?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 16:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, in a very much unrteported move, frankfurt got 300 tons of gold from new york.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875720 << for my own curiosity : do they actually do interferometry when decapping ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 15:59 asciilifeform: and 1uM was just about the last process where optical microscopy yields anyffin
mircea_popescu: (doesn't have to be stereo or live or anything. just take multiple photos ~in multiple lights~ and then have a computer diff the results, same end product)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only if there's 2 dies suspected of subtle diff
mircea_popescu: no, to extend the range into heisenberg's lands.
asciilifeform: tho yer thinking of 'comparison microscope' ( like at old-style police stations for ballistics ) rather than interferometer
asciilifeform: ah confocal micro ?
mircea_popescu: you put in a violet source, take a pic. next you put in a green source, take a pic. next, yellow and red.
asciilifeform: ah not afaik
mircea_popescu: THEN you reconstruct the ~real~ edges of a material, to get a better resolution final pic.
mircea_popescu: can be done with filters, too.
asciilifeform: tho it strikes me as a thing that oughta boost res
mircea_popescu: (on the source, i mean).
asciilifeform: not so much optical microscopy in current-day reversing biz ( not so many people bringing 1980s dies.. )
mircea_popescu: of course it does, we had something like this because shitty microscope on fog room.
mircea_popescu: so had a strobe.
asciilifeform: there's a standard microscope for this, i had one when i used fluorescent markers in meat work
mircea_popescu: im sure there is.
asciilifeform: ( but afaik not sop in ic-rev-for-coin labs currently )
mircea_popescu: by any rights there should be.
mircea_popescu: well... ?
mircea_popescu: not like it costs anything. though-- i expect the software doesn't actually exist.
asciilifeform: software is a 'can write later'. the photo gotta exist 1st.
mircea_popescu: yeah. minus possible "oh, really, you know what ? shoulda taken them ~like this~" backflow.
asciilifeform: hence 'they're nonrenewable, d00d, measure not 7 but 7777 times before cutting 1ce'
mircea_popescu: not bloody likely, physics is physics, but sometimes soft edges, "you'd gain a 20% benefit for a 1% cost" you don't see till you see it.
asciilifeform: in a hypothetical peacetime when asciilifeform'd have free hands to do this personally, would start with a crate of less-rare contemporary 1uM die (e.g. 386) 1st
mircea_popescu: yeah, do it on z80s with out of focus microscope. same deal.
asciilifeform: z80 is a much larger-featured item, so not directly applicable. 386/486 is the ticket.
asciilifeform: ( you'd want to test system on sumthing with comparable 'micronicity' )
asciilifeform: if this were a moneyed proj, i'd go straight to the electronists
asciilifeform: slight overkill, but ~guaranteed detail.
asciilifeform: 'ivory' is somewhat unique case, imho, i dun expect to ever run across another 1980s item that even begins to merit this treatment.
asciilifeform: (so developing entire process for 1um dies, prolly not worth the candles)
mircea_popescu: if you say i believe. anyway, above described approach really should be the standard. if it isn't / until it is, i'd say premature to decap ivories.
asciilifeform: either it or electron is the ticket, aha
mircea_popescu: well yes but 2+ dom difference in cost.
mircea_popescu: (degree of magnitude)
asciilifeform: if i end up doing the job with own hands, it'll be with mircea_popescu's method, i dun have electron microscope or the floor space to erect one
asciilifeform: ( tho what asciilifeform most direly lacks, is the ~time~, hence open to the idea of another pair of hands doing it. just, would MUCH rather it be l1 hands than some ??? folk )
mircea_popescu: http://fare.tunes.org/files/pics/lispm/2003-01-19-lispm-fare.jpg << why is it always a retarded faggoty boi in all of these ?
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: we used to beat the shit out of the "depeche mode" morons in the 90s. wtf did you do!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for the obj reason, who else takes 'me, me, me' mug shot with 0 particular reason
mircea_popescu: what's that dumb fuck with the bad audio driver / pid eins nonsense ? practically same exact cocksucker, where do they even find them.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: poettering ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875738 << exactly! and the same fucking mugs! the same everythings!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 17:15 asciilifeform: all these folx seem quite alike, 9000 mug shots of grinning muzzle, and 0 highres jpeg of board
mircea_popescu: 1984's "bug-like man" was not exactly on point. apparently the socialist future breeds these boyish abominations.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875744 << do you recall that time we visited some moron running "a museum", who was going to do exactly this ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 18:14 asciilifeform: phf: imho the ultimate bolix caper would be to rack a coupla working clones at pizarro & rent'em out. but admittedly this is , presently, nearly as far as the moon
mircea_popescu: but then he got high, or whatever the fuck the kanzures do.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "has targeted a two Bitcoin addresses as"
asciilifeform: imho gotta be clones tho, orig will release magic smoke if run for coupla 100 hrs, optimistically, and no one will fix.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. capacitor, can replace, if one knows where, a la http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 ; but there are other pieces )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, fxd
mircea_popescu: trinque you see any problem with !!withdraw 149w62rY42aZBox8fGcmqNsXUzSStKeq8C 0.1337 / !!withdraw 1AjZPMsnmpdK2Rv9KQNfMurTXinscVro9V 0.1337 ?
mircea_popescu: schmucks wanna break fungibility, gotta learn all they can break is their precious "orifice" or w/e it's called.
asciilifeform: it actually wasn't clear from the fatwa, whether the pertinent folx are already on the stake in washington, and preet has the privkey, or loose
asciilifeform: if whole crock o'shit is a scheme to win a titcoin or two from mircea_popescu , gotta give points for originality
mircea_popescu: 0fb6460fcb88a0fbdc85d4f3b9505e69814ceacb3effd20b427d1b8d5689094e / 09c078a4040b1a044dc654e005bcc8b4c23523393d5244fd9c47408968555640 i see mempool txn right now.
mircea_popescu: ae43769a90036b85792c606a0d46e7a0e8c47189f9e5ceaed4bf45979e27c12b << last confirmed, 11th current.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fatwa claims winblowz cryptodisk-flavoured virii 'ransom' addr, so prolly 9000 tx
mircea_popescu: they're pretty much empty.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, average income payment is 4 digits, keks. i'd be sending what, 1k x wjhat they make ? roflmao.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw asciilifeform personally reversed coupla hundred 'ransomware' trojan turds, almost always the addr is ~empty
asciilifeform: it's a cargocult, for the most part, a la spam.
mircea_popescu: i think these are remnants from like 2014.
asciilifeform: ~nobody pays, folx format their hdds and cry into drink
mircea_popescu: back then, btc was cheap, possibly made a few thousand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the WHOLE thing is the posturing involved. it really sticks in teh usg's craw whenever it runs into real world not giving a shit about what its mommy told it.
mircea_popescu: hence if you recall one of the few decent orwell pieces
mircea_popescu: im sorry, what's the would-be russian ?
mircea_popescu: with the dysfunctional catamaran ?
asciilifeform: ( believe or not, still inbiz )
mircea_popescu: the one with russians saying no.
asciilifeform: ( and actually on subj )
asciilifeform: yes him
mircea_popescu: a there we go.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he pretty much has it -- the "no" is deeply corrosive for the fucktarded brain. and the model exactly is, coddled mommyboi goes out of fenced area and gets assraped.
mircea_popescu: the memory of the delicious anal twinge lingers.
mircea_popescu: The corrosive psychological effect of “nyet” on the American hegemonic psyche cannot be underestimated. If you are supposed to think and act like a hegemon, but only the thinking part still works, then the result is cognitive dissonance. If your job is to bully nations around, and the nations can no longer be bullied, then your job becomes a joke, and you turn into a mental patient. << pretty much exact.
asciilifeform: wb Mocky
Mocky: thx!
Mocky: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo re wires #1 and #2 that I sent: #1 came back 'cancelled' after 3 days, #2 went to 'completed' after 1 day. I retried #1 (less 1 dollar) and it now is 'completed' after 1 day. BingoBoingo can you verify if actually arrived at bank?
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Will ask, tyvm
Mocky: np
BingoBoingo: Latest G20 lulz is Argentina is going to see if they can afford to buy a nuclear power plant and management of said plant from Russia
BingoBoingo: Seeing how their submarine ownership went...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875841 << twist : thing has 622 bits of antifuse-rom state.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
asciilifeform: ( i expect they used it as clock & address latch generator )
Mocky: so many of the jobs out there want secret government clearance now, jeez. who do they think they are kidding with their super secret shit
Mocky: cisco's hiring 2 miles down the road, "Colorful hair? Don’t care. Tattoos? Show off your ink. Like polka dots? That’s cool. Pop culture geek? Many of us are. Be you, with us! #WeAreCisco #GIS #SDx" good luck with that, lol
BingoBoingo: Mocky: In my corner of old country that's how things have been for a few years. Want a tech job? Take you pick of Boeing, mystery contractors scattered in strip malls around the airforce base, or put up with commuting to Saint Louis proper
asciilifeform: Mocky: typically cisco grunts 'clearanced' not even for any interesting seekrit, but simply to be permitted on the grounds in usg dc where they cart the crates to
asciilifeform: kinda like how they used to have 'clearanced' firemen, to put out fires in usg shitholes
asciilifeform: ( but no moar, can't afford, in the words of actual live usg seekrecy politruk , to asciilifeform : 'today instruction is 'let it burn' ' )
asciilifeform: ( d00d had pretty good gig: opened safe in the morning, closed in evening, and played 'wow' all day... )
trinque: mircea_popescu: lulzy, but my coffers aren't stocked up for a supreme court fight just yet
asciilifeform: ( took place in a typical salt mine, with mix of what passes for normal folks, and 'cleared'; asciilifeform ended up resigning, rather than taking holy orders , was quite loathesome pit in 9000 ways )
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect was moar of a 'plug embrasure of pillbox' idea than 2waymission
asciilifeform: in other lulz : https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1lb-14-7oz-vintage-symbolics-vsli-242998915 << photo of what appears to be a pile of bolix ivories, sold for (!) gold recycler recently. epic.
asciilifeform: ^ 26, to be exact, 'ivories' ( the rest weitek and 3620 rubbish )
asciilifeform: meanwhile in spam traps : 'usd coin! buy and sell for $1.00, where supported'
Mocky: these jobs requiring 'clearanced' is actually quite handy, easy filter criteria
asciilifeform: ( spam did not see it fit to mention what, precisely, happens if you sell it for 5cents... lightning strikes ? )
asciilifeform: Mocky: funnily enuff, they dun always bother to mention. i get spam calls erry week, where d00d pitches 'x,y,z,exactly what you do,come work for us' 'ts/sci ?' 'of course' ~click~
asciilifeform would luvv to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875656 and never answer pnojes again, but not in the cards yet
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 01:31 mircea_popescu: i never heard before of some guy who CAN live independently, moving to rural shithole to not be bothered, and then having ~same to show for a year of his life as mod6. at least that dood is holding down a job and a coupla kids meanwhile.
asciilifeform: lol is the actual bot down??
BingoBoingo: Nah, I think I forgot to ping trinque that my blog rebuilt completed with success
BingoBoingo: Anyways, let me know if anyone or anything that should be in the sidebar is missing
Mocky: blockchain engineer is a job title now?
Mocky: "must be open sores contributor, love python 3" what's next? "line cook, must love toasters with cancel buttons"
BingoBoingo: I miss the belt fed toaster from my first place of employment
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