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deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=92 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/11/2018
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874742 <-- oops, apologies for the trouble. this makes perfect sense, my initial impression was that trinque was eager to get rid of the rss piece in deedbot, but some sort of transition seems reasonable.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
spyked: trinque, mircea_popescu: one thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g. thetarpit, since that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed to the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign).
spyked: ftr, feedbot also sends republican rss in castle #spyked, for potentially interested testers.
trinque: spyked: point is a simple "hey trinque, lets make the swap at $date, and get the PM subscriptions ported over meanwhile"
trinque: you know, talking to people, not being radio dark for months, that sort of thing.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 19:32 asciilifeform: ( replaced the google liquishit with a simple and humane kindergarden arithmetic thing )
trinque: ^ I'll go over this with a caffeinated brain later, but wanted to get the thing into hands immediately. Let me know if you reproduce my genesis.vpatch folks.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'ma test-fire in the next coupla days
asciilifeform: trinque: how come 'two GCC versions to step through before arriving at 4.9.4' ?
asciilifeform: ( i thought plan was to roll in ave1's gcc ? )
trinque: asciilifeform: we had a thread on the stepping down before, jumping directly to 4.9.4 does not work on musl. not a clue why.
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether anybody's tried building straight with ave1's
trinque: and the plan is indeed to get ave1's in, and I invite him to write the ebuild. the point of what I released is to preserve the found item, can now start changing it
asciilifeform: makes sense
asciilifeform: will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with
trinque: long term the "bootstrap.sh" will be converted to an installer which presumes an existing working cuntoo, and that installer will come as an ebuild vpatch atop genesis
trinque: asciilifeform: right, that's one reason for keeping an ssltron for now
asciilifeform: ( given a musltronic cuntoo, the 'rotor'-descended buildroot process for trb is theoretically redundant )
asciilifeform: eventual convergence of ye olde 'emerge' and hypothetical 'vmerge', also of interest.
trinque: yep, and ebuild tree and src tree really have no business being separate, aside from preserving the imperial "there is a package repository for all-of-us"
phf: i have a poc, that uses vpy as an alternative to EGIT_REPO_URI. you put all of the vpatches and sigs into /usr/portage/distfiles/vpatches and you have your wot in /etc/wot and you say V_HEAD='foobar' and it attempts to press whatever's in distfiles to the corresponding head, and then use it as a build target. it works, but i'm not sure that's the right direction..
trinque: phf: sounds awesome, would like to eyeball it
trinque: emerge's last act oughta be its own brain transplant.
trinque afk for a while
phf: i also have another approach, with V_PATCHES=[('http://.../foo.vpatch', 'http://.../foo.vpatch.first.sig', 'http://.../foo.vpatch.another.sig'),...] where ebuild basically keeps explicit press order, but can also rely on emerge for pulling the files from remote. none of it is particularly satisfying
phf: trinque: i'll pull it out, right after my move. flight's only few days away, and i'm only half way through gutting the apartment.
phf afk
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 02:46 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa , ty
phf: asciilifeform: done, can you please check that it's correct, i'm doing it from console only linux and my update function said it picked up a patch, that i thought was already there..
asciilifeform: phf: loox correct, to naked eye
phf: kk
asciilifeform: which patch did it say picked up, that was already there ?
phf: borrow expr, ah i see what happened you renamed it to .kv from diana_coman's original
asciilifeform: phf's mechanism did The Right Thing tho, a++, ty phf
asciilifeform: ( so long as the sigs validate and hashes line up, names are immaterial )
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen lulz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5wqxB/?raw=true << rathead, centos , debian, privesc
asciilifeform: phf: imho the correct thing to do, if you have 2 bitwise-identical patches , is to display only 1 ( i'd prefer it be the one using my naming scheme, given as it is my proj, but i also won't cry if it's the other ) -- and the sigs that match it
phf: asciilifeform: i ended up dumping one of them since they are bitwise identical
phf: i'm not particularly keen on the whole archivist aspect of it, these are curated live artifacts, no need to be too pedantic with them
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is very very fond of phf's http://btcbase.org/patches , refers to it several times just about erry day
asciilifeform: it is unspeakably helpful.
phf: ty
phf: it has a backlog of love also, one thing that i want to wire next is a search for a keyword, gives back a list of patches of a list of files that match. i implemented it already, but haven't wired it in
asciilifeform intended to release a thing somewhat like it with the orig 2015 vtron, but asciilifeform's wwwtronics was not equal to the task, never made a usable incarnation of item
asciilifeform: i was aiming for a kind of hybrid of jurov's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/?v=makefiles and what phf has today
asciilifeform: so i ended up getting hung up on the coad-eating logics
phf: yeah and btcbase is not there yet
asciilifeform: still mighty useful. ( presently i'm continuing with the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/ffa_calc__adb.htm thing, to fill that niche )
asciilifeform: gnathtml has some pretty serious missing parts tho, mainly that it is impossible to link to individual lines of proggy unless they contain concordance'd symbols
asciilifeform: it also mysteriously fails to concord the occasional symbol
asciilifeform: ( e.g. in above example -- FFA_FZ_Get_Head is not linkable, and several hrs of dig failed to tell me why )
asciilifeform: ( it is certainly indexed in the place where it lives -- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/fz_basic__adb.htm#72_13 -- but for some reason not in ffa_calc__adb... )
asciilifeform: i presently suspect that this is because gnathtml uses gcc's AST for the input data, rather than the raw proggy text
asciilifeform: and so inlined routines occasionally end up invisible to it
asciilifeform: thing still displays entire coadbase, so i'd still much rather have it, than nuffin at all. but it is frustrating.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with << I run a bitcoind linked against libressl 2.5.5 and so far it hasn't forked
asciilifeform nearly said ' 'so far hasn't forked' aint exactly a scientific standard ' but we aint got a better
asciilifeform: trinque: now that i think about it -- what was the logic for including the alt-ssl in cuntoo, vs trb's frozen thing ?
asciilifeform: ( i dun have any notion that one is 'better' than the other, in either direction, but imho the matter deserves discussion )
asciilifeform: for that matter, why does cuntoo need to include own sslism, afaik the only proggy that hard-depends on having one is trb
trinque: libressl is being decrufted by the openbsd folks, result of which is that several pretty nasty bugs in openssl didn't affect libressl since they forked it. I can't vouch for the work, and it's certainly up for debate.
phf: asciilifeform: presumably entire portage tree pulls from https:// unless trinque also hosting a mirror of everything (i haven't looked yet)
trinque: much as the openbsd folks shoot themselves in the foot politically, I don't know that I trust them less than w/e derps contribute to openssl
asciilifeform: if said bugs affect trb logic, than it oughta be in trb asap ; if they do not, then not clear to me why better
asciilifeform: phf: iirc trinque removed all network-dependency
trinque: correct
trinque: you can build this thing without nic turned on
phf: neat
mircea_popescu: !#s openbsd
a111: 1079 results for "openbsd", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=openbsd
mircea_popescu: what did they do now ?
trinque: I've been building with unshare -n , uses the linux namespaces thing to detach the process from the network stack (fig leaf yes, but at least was a decent way to test)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they've done ~nuffin in years, we're discussing an archaeological artifact
phf: trinque: how does that work with genesis, is it some other mechanism than having all the files in /distfiles? (i'm curious, but i don't have time to investigate)
mircea_popescu: was fishing for the "shot in the foot" reference.
mircea_popescu: but yes, done ~nothing for like a decade. still, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830623
a111: Logged on 2018-06-29 01:57 mircea_popescu: if anyone still cares, freebsd 6.82%, openbsd 93.17%
trinque: mircea_popescu: just their episode with you was all.
mircea_popescu: trinque wasn't that de raadt ?
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, de raadt pupated into his mushroom form ( like rms ) yrs ago
asciilifeform: dun talk, as such, no moar, sits in a flower pot, 'talkers' do the talkin' 'for him'
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose this is the issue, i had mental image similar to what asciilifeform discusses, "openbsd the ancient artefact" ; was discussion more about usg.openbsd replacement in recent years ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an 'openbsd-branded' item, 'libressl', quite similar to the hairball carried along in trb but weighing slightly less
mircea_popescu: i mean... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718269 will work just fine without the current usg muppet.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 16:34 mircea_popescu: trinque except you gotta maintain openbsd now.
asciilifeform: it is currently in the beta cuntoo
trinque: mircea_popescu: thought there was some kind of "we don't want your money" instance, but now don't recall details
trinque: the openbsd folks took openssl and forked it, does not need openbsd to build
trinque: it's just a thinned out openssl.
trinque: if we're taking one, I think it's a candidate for taking.
asciilifeform: ( ideally we'd simply keep the logic demanded by trb and burn the rest. but dunno that anyone has the free hands for this presently )
trinque: correct, that'd be the next step
mircea_popescu: trinque in summary, the thing flew as such : 1. de raadt announced "openbsd dead as going concern without like 20k" ; 2. nobody cared ; 3. somebody brought it here ; 4. i paid his 20k ; 5. complex face-saving dance of usg commenced, very much blueprint for all later http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874881 ; 6. i told them exactly how unimpressed i am. which i still am.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 18:31 asciilifeform: d the online payment processor Stripe each pledged to donate $50,000 a year to Koch’s project.' etc
asciilifeform: !#s bobbeck
asciilifeform: !#s bob beck
asciilifeform: ^ see also
mircea_popescu: but it's not exactly clear what relationship there is, between the 2015 died-anyway would-be openbsd continuator, and the 1990s "fuck windows" alf's-apple-notion competitor.
phf: recently carmack donated to openbsd, they made a very big deal out if it being "the first individual silver level donor"
mircea_popescu: phf and i'm entirely unimpressed with carmack, either.
asciilifeform: lol, didn't carmack lose his shirt to patent troll not long ago
asciilifeform: what's he even got remaining to donate.
diana_coman: trinque, that looks great; if I understand correctly, the archive there contains the means to a. install cuntoo b. make the genesis of cuntoo/portage that could in principle be used to move an existing gentoo to cuntoo; is this correct?
phf: asciilifeform: he "won" the suite, presumably spent fortune on lawyers, but donated immediately after.
trinque: diana_coman: it produces the genesis.vpatch that represents the state of the bootstrapped system. porting an existing gentoo over has additional complications. in theory you could yes, introduce what's in /cuntoo/ to an existing machine, but I think this deserves its own guide.
trinque: if you're feeling adventurous, read the bootstrap scripts and it should indicate what'd need to happen to convert a living system, but I had the thing generate a new bootable blockdev because of these hairy complications
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dead men walking, all these http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-12#974526
a111: Logged on 2015-01-12 18:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoin_charlie didn't you make a plea bargain ?
diana_coman: aha; (tbh it seemed like that but I was being optimistic for once); so atm I'd need to basically nuke s.mg's test machine to move it on to cuntoo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maybe in 2015 'walking', today mostly flailing like beheaded chicken
mircea_popescu: a sort of philosophical zombie, vessels carrying forth the voice of collective motherhood.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, it's hard. gradient rising boils all frogs.
trinque: diana_coman: not necessarily, but I'd want to write you a guide before encouraging you to attempt (or have you write a guide using a machine locally)
diana_coman: the test before the test; well, yes, I'll have to
trinque: for now I'd like folks to confirm they get the same genesis.vpatch out the other end
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 13:44 spyked: trinque, mircea_popescu: one thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g. thetarpit, since that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed to the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign).
asciilifeform: diana_coman, trinque : it isn't clear to me that 'move existing gentoo to cuntoo' without reformat of hdd is worth attempting -- non-musltronic dyn-linked sad gentoo bins will all barf once the pertinent libs are removed ( and they dun belong, imho, on a cuntoo box )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875120 << worked fab for bitbet for YEARS. contrary to ubiquitous claims, web 100% beheaded chickens by mass, nobody can as much as write a line of anything.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
diana_coman: asciilifeform, smg's test machine is running proto-cuntoo so it's not just any gentoo really
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i stole the idea from there, yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ( with minor variation -- xor instead of add , imho a human oughta know what is xor )
mircea_popescu: aaaahahahahaha
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct, theoretically may be movable ( tho as i recall, you currently have 1 disk, and if you're planning on filling the other disk holes -- and disks are available -- may as well install clean )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875131 << reasonable ; but yeah, plox ave1 write a patch for the damn thing, the dance is vaguely reminiscent of those organically-evolved early clocks.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:29 trinque: and the plan is indeed to get ave1's in, and I invite him to write the ebuild. the point of what I released is to preserve the found item, can now start changing it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i.e. the kind where somebody had to climb into the gears erry 6mo to change the frayed windlass rope ?
mircea_popescu: nah, the kind which were repaired dozens of times over the generations, where "repair" was interpreted to mean "add a mechanism to compensate for perceived errors".
asciilifeform: there's 1 of those in e.g. moscow
diana_coman: asciilifeform, correct re 1 disk; for the rest I'll have to decide but first step has to be testing trinque's new item locally anyway
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875133 << it's not clear to me why we have ssl AT ALL. the idea is to replace that whole pile with straight rsa, much like we're taking out dns (and touched upon in same piece)
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:30 asciilifeform: will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with
mircea_popescu: why is ssl needed ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik only in trb is needed
mircea_popescu: not even there, just patch it to use our own ~correct~ code.
mircea_popescu: why import ssl into trb anyway, makes 0 sense.
trinque: this is too much ocenboiling for the first patch, akin to fixing everything wrong with trb in its genesis
asciilifeform: well yes, eventually all of trb oughta turn into 'our correct coad'
trinque: *oceanboiling
mircea_popescu: trinque not in any case discussing first patch. just the roadmap.
trinque: ah, don't mind me then. I agree entirely.
mircea_popescu: there's 0 pressure to "put everything in first fuck", you realise.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i proposed this several yrs ago, but it was mircea_popescu who then reminded about air filters in old dacia
asciilifeform: ( was at c3 iirc )
mircea_popescu: certainly no tolerance of "i'm waiting on fondling for the fuck to get here"
asciilifeform: !#s grandfather's pistols
a111: 0 results for "grandfather's pistols", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=grandfather%27s%20pistols
asciilifeform: !#s father's pistols
asciilifeform: ^ see also
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 19:39 mircea_popescu: it's the currency of the republic, you're so surprises it follows the flow and ebb of the very republic in question ?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu gives signal that we're fucking done with the old flintlock pistols, then i'ma start welding on ffa in trb as soon as the former is battlefield-ready.
mircea_popescu: but yes, as far as trb work is concerned, a) taking off the bulidroot process because b) move it to cuntoo and also c) replace ssl dependency with one file, <1k loc are the priorities.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's old observation re the dacia air filter still holds tho, potentially replacing the hairball in trb with a 100% correct numeric set, will result in a forkable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform constant time is a d) in that scheme. though i guess c-d may well package.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at this point, it's irrelevant. there's ~10 bucks of kentucky happy meals on the putative "other networks".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so idea here is 1st to cut the classic tar to 'what used in trb' ?
mircea_popescu: see ? there's immense benefits to "exchange dropped!!!"
mircea_popescu: which classic tar ?
asciilifeform: the one where http://therealbitcoin.org/trb-howto.html : 0x12) Get http://deedbot.org/deed-422651-4.txt : name it 'openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz.asc'
mircea_popescu: re-write what trb uses.
mircea_popescu: ideally, with as little re-factoring of trb components as possible.
asciilifeform: to be clear, we're talking about the eccolade numerics stack
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: we made our own keccak, we made our own serpent, you made / are making our own rsa -- time for our own ecc.
asciilifeform: can be written from scratch ( whoever thinks that he can do it faster than asciilifeform's ffa, is welcome to try, i promise to take off hat ) or on ffa, either.
mircea_popescu: and yes, ffa majorily useful, and no, not necessarily against writing for it. but there may be a timing issue (trb that takes > minute to check block is useless)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'own ecc' naturally gotta be made, q is on what numtron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't answer that q yet.
mircea_popescu: politically, ffa is fine. practically, it might not work.
phf: asciilifeform: apropos i've attempted two years ago to do a rewrite for my cl-bitcoin, got bogged down in group theory, at this point still trying to power through an "introduction to group theory" text book.
mircea_popescu: phf need i tell you how cool'd it have been had you said this 2016 rather than 2018 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could, for example, use diana_coman's. or a modified permissive ffa. or even the thing that came with gnat. but in any case would be 'sapper errs once' component, gotta be bug-free
mircea_popescu: bug free, fast enough, etc. not like we're pressed by anything here, not like trb ceases to exist while we cut its guts open and so on.
phf: mircea_popescu: i did, i believe the reaction at the time was "let's see what'll come out of it", nothing came out of it though: cl-bitcoin in it's half baked state is using cffi to openssl
asciilifeform: ftr 1 of the many ruins that litter asciilifeform's hdds is a half-written ada ecc ( pre-ffa )
mircea_popescu: ah. ok then!
mircea_popescu: i'd have thought with all the lisp fans it'd have spurned some fermentation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't you love how this here tmsr eventually uses all your ruins ?
asciilifeform: mine was conceived with angle 'when we make wallets' and so cl was ruled out, can't gc
asciilifeform: on micro
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ikr ? the mpi thing, straight from my garbage can
asciilifeform: 'they use even the sqeal'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: sad days of end days.
asciilifeform: hey, viet cong picked up dead 'd' batteries dropped by ameri-grunts, filled bamboo stick with'em , coupla dozen added up to 1 set of live ones for radio, supposedly
phf: there's much general fascination with lisp, but when we had to get shit done, turns out many limitations
asciilifeform: phf: part of this is that we're stuck with 'fast pdp' c-irons
mircea_popescu: whole lisp community reminds me of teenager females and their interest in sex.
mircea_popescu: "so you're a femme fatale ?" "i sure am, mister" "take off your clothes" "whoa"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'community' is archaeological artifact, afaik we're ~100% of what's actually left
asciilifeform: fwiw i prototype algos in cl, which later turn into ada , but this is 'harem' rather than forum
mircea_popescu: nono, i mean the community. expert sex change etcetera. you know, the echelons and the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874513 and the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592242
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 06:35 venatiodecorus: honestly tho mircea_popescu jamie knows her shit
a111: Logged on 2016-12-28 21:47 Framedragger: this isis girl in tor reads crypto papers and implements them and runs their bridges infrastructure which uses its own nifty things (hashrings for distributing bridge nodes etc), i'm quite certain she hasn't heard
mircea_popescu: the conference crowd, what. community.
phf: i was very much insulated from open sores lisp with acl, just sort of assumed that they were all basically the same. turns out that common lisp world is a cargo cult. for when spec was never supposed to be and all be all: it was a _thin_ common ground of a variety of rich lisp ecosystem. writing _just_ to spec is an exercise in frustration..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a short time when those folx played at cl, 2005-9 roughly, but long gone nao
mircea_popescu: apparently naggum was the one thing holding them in.
mircea_popescu: his harakiri meant they lost interest.
asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=51 is example of useful (if you will) proggy written 100% in standard cl
trinque: phf: I'm developing a sense that lisp is a thinking tool, not an engineering tool.
asciilifeform: so they dun entirely not-exist
mircea_popescu: trinque and what, lame is the engineering tool ?
mircea_popescu: "this item looks like it was thought in lisp and implemented by lame".
trinque: ada, or insert strictly typed draconian item of choice
asciilifeform: c irons force this dynamic
asciilifeform: we dun have iron with bounds checkers
mircea_popescu is done with aesthetic value wordplay for the day.
asciilifeform: if we had irons with bounds checkers, i would not even have dug up ada.
mircea_popescu: right, ada sort of fortran-with-real-machine-emulator.
asciilifeform: ( does errybody recall how many barf bags they went through when asciilifeform 1st suggested ada ?? )
mircea_popescu: actually, you should collate a retrospective!
asciilifeform: Mocky beat me to it
phf: trinque: aha
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't remember any barf bag of my own!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman neither do i, which makes me suspicious!\
asciilifeform: diana_coman's stomach does seem to be stronger than most folxs'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875138 << this is eminently true. in fact all these converge to v tree eventually anyway.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:36 trinque: yep, and ebuild tree and src tree really have no business being separate, aside from preserving the imperial "there is a package repository for all-of-us"
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman did time in heavy industry tho, possibly less allergic to ada flavour as result
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875139 << sounds to me like the right direction, what's the source of doubt ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:38 phf: i have a poc, that uses vpy as an alternative to EGIT_REPO_URI. you put all of the vpatches and sigs into /usr/portage/distfiles/vpatches and you have your wot in /etc/wot and you say V_HEAD='foobar' and it attempts to press whatever's in distfiles to the corresponding head, and then use it as a build target. it works, but i'm not sure that's the right direction..
mircea_popescu: i suppose the using of the weird directory structure's an eyesore, but whatever, can be fixed later.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no; possibly having started with Pascal in highschool & the "one programming language per week" crazy uni year of choice -> "stronger stomach", if anything
asciilifeform: diana_coman: funnily enuff, i also pascal in school
asciilifeform: it used to be common
phf: mircea_popescu: my impression is that trinque has some kind of mechanism of inlining source code into cuntoo, so instead of it being a matrioshka doll of nested vpatches, any new vpatch to cuntoo brings in ebuild AND the already unpacked source code. my approach keeps the vpatches separate from cuntoo: you install cuntoo first, then pull vpatches separately. i haven't looked at cuntoo yet, so i'm not sure how he's doing it though
asciilifeform still has buncha rubbish written for borland tp7 somewhere on tape
phf: actually i'm not sure what i just said made any kind of sense. i need to look at cuntoo first, and then reassess what i'm trying to say.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't. so yeah.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: funnily enuff we also had here '1 lang/week' curriculum. tho i did learn that many yrs ago it was abolished at asciilifeform's sad old uni, in favour of iphonism etc
phf: ftr i had no objections to ada either, i suspect the barfs were coming from peanut gallery of people who since dropped off
asciilifeform: diana_coman: when i went , all the good profs were already grey and weary, so not particularly surprising, i expect they died
asciilifeform: phf: good % of the barf was actually my own, thing struck me as gnarly and with all the wrongest kinds of pedigree initially
asciilifeform: i wasn't even immediately aware that gnat existed, thought that one had to get some TB-sized winliquishit from lockheed etc in order to ada.
asciilifeform: ( these --- do apparently exist! tho i presently have nfi who uses'em, and for what )
asciilifeform: esp. given that gnat, like other gcc, builds for winblowz just fine if one insists.
mircea_popescu: it did look poorly born, at that.
asciilifeform in old salt mines built winblowz, incl. w7, device drivers, with stock gcc, worked just fine, merely had to reproduce the header liquishit
asciilifeform: *for winblowz
mircea_popescu: a bit like ye olde "reproduce yahoo messenger login" exercise huh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, with the diff that it's ~1MB of headerola, took coupla months to reproduce.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 18:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875120 << worked fab for bitbet for YEARS. contrary to ubiquitous claims, web 100% beheaded chickens by mass, nobody can as much as write a line of anything.
asciilifeform: ( if anyone wonders why -- was for peculiar industrial application where device driver gets built ~in real time~ based on custom params; no can do with microshit's compiler )
mircea_popescu: Integer overflow in Linux's create_elf_tables()
mircea_popescu: Only kernels with commit b6a2fea39318 ("mm: variable length argument support", from July 19, 2007) but without commit da029c11e6b1 ("exec:
mircea_popescu: Limit arg stack to at most 75% of _STK_LIM", from July 7, 2017) are exploitable.
mircea_popescu: check it out, the imperial process in full display. 1) introduce bugs ; 2) decade later turn them off ; 3) use md5 hashes for it all.
asciilifeform: sop rathead
asciilifeform: i got a whole stamp album fulla these.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875158 << this is rapidly becoming an (ill-specified) unsolvable problem. how the fuck is the program supposed to pick the word in the basket that "best goes with the rest of the novel" ? there's a fucking reason for naming conventions.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 17:17 asciilifeform: phf: imho the correct thing to do, if you have 2 bitwise-identical patches , is to display only 1 ( i'd prefer it be the one using my naming scheme, given as it is my proj, but i also won't cry if it's the other ) -- and the sigs that match it
asciilifeform: it's exactly how, e.g.,
asciilifeform: !#s debian rng
asciilifeform: !#s debianized
a111: 34 results for "debianized", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=debianized
asciilifeform: ^ was also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: vtron (including phf's , and in fact his esp. well) solves.
asciilifeform: and ftr naming convention ( carried on since asciilifeform's original vtron ) is simply that patch is $string.vpatch and sig is $string.vpatch.author.sig .
asciilifeform: nuffing asciilifeform's done, breaks this.
mircea_popescu: there's somewhere i explain the problem with small children, that they take a look at world around them, which creates a snapshot in their mind that's static, and then they fall over because they don't natively understand that just because the fulcrum's left side is up like the chair next to it is up, nevertheless, the load bearing capacity of the fulcrum is less than a percent of the chairs'.
mircea_popescu: you're putting load on the wrong things.
asciilifeform: correct vtron duncare whether $string contains .
mircea_popescu: but you'd prefer.
asciilifeform: ( phf's , mine, mod6's -- demonstrated correct )
mircea_popescu: and your preference is not groundless, and soon enough we'll be left with a messy patchwork of nonsense.
asciilifeform: i prefer to be able to name files on own hdd with arbitrary names , so long as it dun break anyffing. and it doesn;t.
asciilifeform: imho there is not an open problem there.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the end we can't end up worse off than with hashes or something.
asciilifeform: we're already signing the hashes.
mircea_popescu: i meant for names.
asciilifeform: ( gpg dun look at file names for anyffing )
asciilifeform: really filenames are 'harem' logic
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be ~nice~ if you used some kind of sane naming convention ? trb.adding-ffa.alf ? something ?
mircea_popescu: proximate genus dot speciffic difference dot author ?
asciilifeform: $string.vpatch .
asciilifeform: authorship is already clear from seals.
asciilifeform: why have promisetronic layers where there is already solid steel.
mircea_popescu: we could also call a fox "da029c11e6b1" ; but instead we say vulpes vulpes for some reason.
asciilifeform: and davout called him vulp, cuz france. names of the rose.
asciilifeform: !#seen davout
a111: 2018-04-14 <davout> should have synced by the end of next week
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, he also pointed out to me that it's not de fun, it's funES!! he's spanish!)
asciilifeform: when does awol turn into mia
mircea_popescu: when he had some action lol. was he doing anything ?
mircea_popescu: (i gotta recall to say /vulˈpɛs/ to the man's face, see what he says)
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 17:30 asciilifeform: i presently suspect that this is because gnathtml uses gcc's AST for the input data, rather than the raw proggy text
asciilifeform: iirc d00d learned new profession, flies airbusen nao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: indeed does
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 17:43 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with << I run a bitcoind linked against libressl 2.5.5 and so far it hasn't forked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trb dun use any 'wwwism' from ssl, only the ecc numerics, so i expect just about any extant version will link and run. the rub is how it'd behave in unexplored corner cases, as in the der sig affair
mircea_popescu: 2.3.9, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah. though in fairness, those corner cases rarely in the ffa or ffa-lite deployed.
asciilifeform: whole point, ~unexplored~ corners, deliberately proddable, in the ~orig~ shitoshi sslism
asciilifeform: naturally they won't be present in a correct 4000ln ffaistic ecc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875184 << he does, and if useful i / others also certainly will.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 18:04 phf: asciilifeform: presumably entire portage tree pulls from https:// unless trinque also hosting a mirror of everything (i haven't looked yet)
asciilifeform: i defo intend to host mirror
asciilifeform: ( and to start porting packages that i use in life )
mircea_popescu: i imagine that'll be spyked's next thing, bot-driven vtrees mirror service.
asciilifeform: trb, emacs ( might be hard cookie, but gotta ) , various engineering tools
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875422 << it pains asciilifeform to note this, but afaik it's been several ~yrs~ since fella actually ~did~ anyffin
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 19:05 mircea_popescu: when he had some action lol. was he doing anything ?
asciilifeform: ( plox to correct me here, mircea_popescu , if i'm mistaken )
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, threatened to do ~sumthing or other~ with wallet trb... in 2017
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 19:05 davout: still working on my take on cutting the wallet out of TRB
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781066 << most recent update afaik , unless sumbody's heard from him in priv
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 21:57 davout: started training for my airline transport pilot license in december, and i'm stuck in ground school phase until may~june, until then i barely even make time to go take a shit
asciilifeform: aaanyway.
mircea_popescu: well, he was tech for the ~only exchange worth two shits, back in the early days. then that thing got subverted into aml crap, he bounced around a while, "transition phase" or w/e you'd call it, then he did the bitbet receivership and that was ~last anyone heard.
mircea_popescu: whatever, there's lots of these "could've, but didn't".
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, mircea_popescu recall http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-27#1866809 saga ? apparently there's a philosophical child of it, this time chix, for extra spice, https://archive.is/TYVGF
a111: Logged on 2018-10-27 18:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-27#1866787 << for the record >> http://trilema.com/2013/badbios-aka-badlydonedamagecontrol/
asciilifeform: 'An NCC Group graduate trainee who emailed 300 coworkers to ask for help with what she deemed to be "unusual" behaviour from her Kali Linux VM; contacted the firm’s incident response team to complain about a faulty laptop; and said the machine had been "deliberately sabotaged", has had her victimisation claim thrown out by an employment tribunal' etc
mircea_popescu: im so fed up with the whole attention whore tech industry...
asciilifeform: i suspect that 400y ago this chix would've insisted that devils inseminated her while slept etc
mircea_popescu: 400y ago nobody'd have reproduced her insane claims.
asciilifeform: ( troo phakt -- burning at stake did not discourage this type of 'attention whoring tech industry' either )
mircea_popescu: "rabbit births" only became a thing with diderot's idiocy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja know , there was broadway play about the rabbit chix ?
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : it sucked )
asciilifeform: but somebody bothered !
mircea_popescu: femtards, they got time and, sadly, a smattering of resources these days.
asciilifeform: iirc was by (nominally) a d00d
mircea_popescu: oh this is precious. "If it were just a one-off I wouldn't mention it... but if I do notice it happening again it would be good to know what process I should follow."
mircea_popescu: femtards can code would like to know "what process to follow" when her windows laptop dun work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from cursory dig, seems like whole thing took place at a kind of trade school where they taught 'seekoority', i.e. how to install av on winblowz etc
mircea_popescu: i suppose, by the above logic, 400 years ago she'd have asked the lord of the mannor, parish priest, and passing royal messenger "plox help, my cows udders seem to be growing, wut do, wut do". helluva milk maid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mircea_popescu: you know what nicole's moronic age peers do for "schooling to better themselves in marketplace" ?
mircea_popescu: "adwords expertise".
asciilifeform: ( somehow 'badbios'-style odin's-own-gift-to-sec-researcher never seems to fall on the head of anybody with half a clue, but only ever milkmaid )
mircea_popescu: as fucking if there's room for another adwords consultant in this world. someone's gonna pay for thius ?
mircea_popescu: at least in clinton's day they made supernumerary lawyers, not supernumerary nothings.
asciilifeform: 'devil finds work for idle hand', clinton's lawyers are preets nao
asciilifeform: ( there's ~0 other employment for'em outside of restaurant )
mircea_popescu: i don't want that moron touching my food. restaurant is for subbie sluts anyway, who the fuck needs this item.
asciilifeform: lol was naturally speaking of ameri-restaurant, rather than where mircea_popescu gets his water glass filled with virgin tear spritz
mircea_popescu: "Hoang also emailed associate ops director Darren James to say her personal phone "may potentially have some kind of breach as it has been acting peculiarly," telling the tribunal under cross-examination that "it was intuition" which led her to believe this."
mircea_popescu: fucking epic.
mircea_popescu: FEMALE INTUITION, THE TECHNOLOGY AND INDUSTRY OF ~.
asciilifeform: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZo2mbbCmKQ << oblig illustration of ameri-restaurant )
mircea_popescu: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/23/section/1 << amusingly, here's a snapshot of the uk's soviet pioneer statute.
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : your company owns whatever information is left after any employee discloses whatever ~that employee~, in ~his own judgement~ deems ~might~ ber interesting to mother inca.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usa has ~identical one, it's only known use is to prosecute 'unapproved leak, could've gone to Official grievance room' folx
mircea_popescu: if leaked from usg."corp" of course. otherwise...
mircea_popescu: "A disclosure of information in respect of which a claim to legal professional privilege (or, in Scotland, to confidentiality as between client and professional legal adviser) could be maintained in legal proceedings is not a qualifying disclosure if it is made by a person to whom the information had been disclosed in the course of obtaining legal advice." << ie, your lawyer's receptionist dun count.
asciilifeform: sorta how they have statute for nailing 'insider trade' if and only if ~grunt~ absconds with 'cachebleed', but for blueblood nobody gives half a fuck, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763152
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, intel ceo sells 100% of the stock his contract permitted him to sell ( and even filed the mandatory usg report to hitler, hence how it came out )
mircea_popescu: "It must by now be the experience of most people that computers develop hardware faults, and also that there are often software issues causing unexpected things to happen." << legal precedent in pantsuit lands nao :D
mircea_popescu: no such bs, fucker.
mircea_popescu: not among white people, anyway.
asciilifeform: microshitiana aint 'white people' tech tho.
asciilifeform: but quite exactly africa-emulator
asciilifeform: so in so far as i can tell case was thrown on 'just because, suck it, plebe' grounds, rather than logicals
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/node-js-event-stream-library-added-bitcoin-wallet-stealer-after-new-maintainer-takes-over/ << Qntra - Node.js "event-stream" Library Added Bitcoin Wallet Stealer After New Maintainer Takes Over
mircea_popescu: what else are "new maintainers" for.
mircea_popescu: !#s "danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/"
a111: 2 results for "\"danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22danielpbarron.com%2F2017%2Fshitgnomes%2F%22
mircea_popescu: soooo... http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/ item linked from trinque 's previous discussion of cuntoo, meanwhile disappeared ?
mircea_popescu shall buy a lappy just to try trinque's thing on!
mircea_popescu: !!up diginet
deedbot: diginet voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814204 << so, did you ever get anywhere ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 07:17 mircea_popescu: it's not the sort of question that you can answer for yourself in a minute.
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=93 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/12/2018
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'if anyone had been bothering to read code they run' link broken
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty, fxd
BingoBoingo: And to celebrate Trinque's work on Cuntoo https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trinque
asciilifeform enjoyed rereading that item
asciilifeform: ( the linked mircea_popescu piece )
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, it's back up now, but my recipe doesn't work anymore.
danielpbarron: re that ^, it didn't get pushed by deedbot. has my site been removed from the rsstron?
BingoBoingo: !!up grubles
deedbot: grubles voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: grubles: Name looks familiar. Life story in 20 words or less. You have 28 minutes.
grubles: hey what was the other channel you guys used to hang out in?
grubles: #bitcoin-assets?
a111: Logged on 2015-05-25 23:50 assbot: You rated user grubles on 23-Dec-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault..
asciilifeform: !!gettrust grubles
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: -1 by 1 connections.
asciilifeform: http://wot.deedbot.org/D191CE495914F681F7CA94EB31040DE39974C0B2.html << loox like mircea_popescu's rating above still standing
asciilifeform: ( and nobody else alive knows anyffing re this fella )
asciilifeform: grubles: you got maybe half minute to explain wtf you are doing here
grubles: i asked a question. did you not see it above?
grubles: meh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And so it does
mircea_popescu: i don't even recall, rando hanger-on from the -otc days.
mircea_popescu: does that thing still exist even ?
asciilifeform: i suspect it's the usual kind of zombie 'existence'
asciilifeform: https://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Main_Page >> '29 January 2013, at 15:09.' etc
mircea_popescu: Visit our sponsors: https://bitcoin-otc.com/pia.png << right.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 12:54 asciilifeform: ' Hasimir and the "corrupt keys" FUD raised semi-regularly by certain people in another bitcoin channel is just that; ill-informed FUD'
asciilifeform: of the 3 apparently remaining users, 1 is this known and prolific usg.lolcow
asciilifeform: ( the other 2 i have nfi about, prolly similar critters )
mircea_popescu: so of that entire line, <li> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bit.ly/NFg1Yy">channel logs</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://otclogs.ww7.be/bitcoin-otc.today.php">channel stats</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.techbnc.org/freenode/bitcoin-otc.html">channel stats 2</a></li>
mircea_popescu: there's two dead sites and a bitly link. why the fuck would you "bit.ly". unless, of course, you're nanotube, and your brain long ago ceased to work.
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mircea_popescu: (Donations welcome: 1PT78metKnSblabla)
mircea_popescu: could these muppets be any more ridiculous through liberal application of deliberate effort ?
asciilifeform: lol 'compliant'(tm)(r) eurotards
mircea_popescu: !!rated nanotube
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated nanotube -1 at 2018/01/24 19:57:26 << took the blue pill at some point prior to the republic, chasing the tenure dream somewhere lost in the imperial wastes.
mircea_popescu: a ok then. whatever, the raccons not worth the buckshot at this point.
asciilifeform: dunno, i always give'em a control shot
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean wtf even is a "hasimir" or w/e.
asciilifeform: !!rated hasimir
deedbot: asciilifeform has not rated hasimir.
asciilifeform: really?!
asciilifeform: gotta fix!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523164 i mean, apparently, i had an idea at some point.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:34 mircea_popescu: (other than in a discussion with the sort of imbecile typified today by hasimir, i dunno either of us gives half a shit.)
mircea_popescu: long ago gc'd.
asciilifeform: !!rate hasimir -10 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523022 & elsewhere, inquire within
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 12:54 asciilifeform: ' Hasimir and the "corrupt keys" FUD raised semi-regularly by certain people in another bitcoin channel is just that; ill-informed FUD'
asciilifeform: !!v A52D4270BCBD54CCD5606F0CE103EF89D344B0CAEF79433120080A149164BFA7
deedbot: asciilifeform rated hasimir -10 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523022 & elsewhere, inquire within
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'australia pirate party' d00d.
mircea_popescu: oh that's what it was ?
asciilifeform: aha him
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 19:53 mircea_popescu: though ALL SORTS of rank imbeciles, such as that "pirate party" fucktard, had complaints of the proofy proof flavour.
mircea_popescu: i do recall an http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ "skeptical" moron ; buit the name didn't ring for some reason.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 02:28 mircea_popescu vaguely recalls some "pirate party" associated dorks producing lame "oh, can't factor a key anyway" verbiage cca 2015
a111: Logged on 2015-05-21 22:13 Hasimir: oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia
asciilifeform: showed up in reaction to the phuctor pop of same.
mircea_popescu: alright.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, 'loyal opposition' chumpatron, and somewhat long past its expiration date
mircea_popescu: the "pirate party" thing you mean ?
asciilifeform: in usa they even tried to start a pedo party. for roughly same type honeytrap . but pedos apparently smarter, on avg, than 'activists', didn't catch on
asciilifeform brb, teatime
mircea_popescu: the problem with "chinese disidents" aka married-with-childrens http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/ schmucks, is ~precisely~ ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687624 ; specifically, whenever they try to "start a republic", the item they start is over-inflitrated before it gets off the napkin, so to speak.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:52 asciilifeform: because unlearns faster than learns.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like if cows were surgeons. before cow even started building operating room, the dung-carried bacteria'd be everywhere. because expensive for cow to be surgeon, and cheap for e coli to move along with flying dung.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, openbsd was kinda-maybe cool for even a few months, possibly. if they hadn't started taking http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875466 BEFORE the thing was even born, and giving them policy positions too! and similarily lisp, before they all went http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842812 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641207
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 19:31 mircea_popescu: femtards can code would like to know "what process to follow" when her windows laptop dun work.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-18 22:27 mircea_popescu: they're always very "creative", with their nonsense, the monkeys, aren't they. little baskets to comemorate Goddess in basket form can always be found. they can't add, of course, and don't wash between the toes. creative math or creative hygiene, where they self-improve in actual fields where they're marginal, this NEVER happens
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 23:14 mircea_popescu: well, on top of a world ontologically constituted as "12 men on monkey island" attempting to construct alternate world hallucinatorily constituted as "men and money teams compete for island special olympics".
mircea_popescu: and in this like manner, that "pirate party" thing was even cool, for the negative time interval between when it was formed and when it was suborned.
mircea_popescu: gnu managed to drive directx into the ground, on the strength of naive if well meaning contributors, and then managed to give the advantage back to windows, and snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory, on the strength of imbecile management.
mircea_popescu: and i could keep on going in this manner, but the fact remains : the wooden sword cut no heads.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/#comment-83174 << reading through trilema yields gold. in the instant case, "wouldn't it be cool if some troll chick implanted selected ovules from fundamental xtian women only, and then aborted them 10 weeks in for the lulz"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875587 << i suspect that most of'em dun even get as far as start un-infiltrated in own head
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 21:31 mircea_popescu: the problem with "chinese disidents" aka married-with-childrens http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/ schmucks, is ~precisely~ ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687624 ; specifically, whenever they try to "start a republic", the item they start is over-inflitrated before it gets off the napkin, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: prolly not.
asciilifeform: typically 'rezistenta prin cultura' before it even hits forebrain
mircea_popescu: whatever, ima go have profiterols and lol at teh issues.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875589 << ftr this is only marginally less troo of man than of cow ( unprepped hand & room is much closer to freshly-shat arse , bacteriologically, than to proper operating theatre )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 21:31 mircea_popescu: sort-of like if cows were surgeons. before cow even started building operating room, the dung-carried bacteria'd be everywhere. because expensive for cow to be surgeon, and cheap for e coli to move along with flying dung.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875596 << no heads. but, funnily enuff, recently asciilifeform read old treatise on harakiri, and apparently, sometimes , as 'sprezzatura', it was performed with wooden knife
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 21:38 mircea_popescu: and i could keep on going in this manner, but the fact remains : the wooden sword cut no heads.
asciilifeform: ( the japanese never could resist to attempt to make something 'more of itself' )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/trinque-publishes-cuntoo-bootstrapper/ << Qntra - Trinque Publishes Cuntoo Bootstrapper
mircea_popescu: so i got a bunch of danielpbarron pingbacks from like 2016 for some reason (beat that, rw mail services)! among which one for http://danielpbarron.com/2016/are-you-thankful/
danielpbarron: yeah i'm putting old stuff into my new setup finally
asciilifeform: lol possibly asciilifeform loses championship crown of 'whose www b0rked the longest'
danielpbarron: pingbacks never worked for me until i got on pizarro
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i'll confess trying to follow the logic of your articles fails here. do you even want to be in the lordship then ?
mircea_popescu: but why ?
danielpbarron: bitcoin is still an interest of mine, and i enjoy the position. I'm very much invested in it between maintaining a node and my holdings in Eulora
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: are you still running FG dealership ?
mircea_popescu: but i mean... it's not "build on biblical principles". nor is it going to be.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, yes
mircea_popescu: in fact, as the only sovereign, it is literally the superior node of god in general, and of any statement of divinity, whether it originates with some guy in rural oklahoma or rural canaan.
danielpbarron: it's not wrong for me to be involved, although it wouldn't be good for me to become a partner in business with people who don't believe
asciilifeform at one point tried to systematically fit in head danielpbarron's theology, but it appears to be at least as complicated as ffa; broke teeth
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nevermind involved, that's not the topic. you say you want to be in the lordship, but that you disagree with the fundamental premises of the whole thing. well, how do you reconcile these ?
danielpbarron: if a requirement of being a lord is that i have to call tmsr the true and only god, then i do not want to be called one
mircea_popescu: i don't even know it's a requirement. for that matter, it's not clear how precisely the republic would even come to notice something as ridiculously trivial as whatever religious belief (unless i suppose you end up doing dumb shit "because of it", but even then, 0 difference between "religion" and "but then i got high" or w/e).
mircea_popescu: i'm rather curious what goes on in your own mind, which is why i said i don't follow the logic. "i wanna be in the lordship though i don't think the republic makes sense". well ?!
danielpbarron: well it doesn't make sense like any government doesn't make sense, but this is the best one I know of
mircea_popescu: so then the contention is essentially that your other religious notions are in the end irrelevant to you ?
mircea_popescu: sorta like "well, i should diet, in principle. meanwhile, this profiterol is the only dessert that doesn't suck, so give me another" ?
danielpbarron: i don't think it is wrong to be involved in this or any other government, in principle
asciilifeform remembers old su joak. orthodox j00 kid is going to town for 1st time. asks, 'rebbe, there are many temptations in the city, what should i avoid looking at' 'waddayamean' 'well, i heard there are chix' 'what of'em?' 'well, i hear there's them strippers... good jew should not look at strippers?' 'you can look at strippers' 'there are bare cunts! really, good jew can look at cunts?!' 'yes' 'so what ~shouldn't~ a good jew look at
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you keep bringing it to this "involved". the discussion is not at the level of "being involved", as the lowest possible standard. the discussion is being part of the lordship, as the highest possible standard.
mircea_popescu: let's try different terminology : why would you want to be one of the dozen-or-so "apostles" of this pizzeria owner by the name melchisedec, if you believe the other jesus guy, in the trattoria down the street, is the true pastafarian in town ?!
mircea_popescu: not a matter of "well, when coming from out of town pizzeria is closer, whereas when going out of town trattoria is closer, so whatever, depending on how hungry i am i sit where it happens"
danielpbarron: i don't see the two being exclusive of each other. If you are saying that I don't do enough here, I can't disagree. But the reason for not doing enough isn't that I am morally opposed to it. If i'm to be removeed as lord it should be because I have been too lazy about it; not that it was in irreconcilable conflict with my religious beliefs
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: if it aint a mega-seekrit -- what is it that you do with most of yer time ?
danielpbarron: not a whole lot, shamefully
asciilifeform: dare i to ask how that worx ? what is it, ...eat mushroom and watch cartoons on ceiling?
asciilifeform: ...reddit ?
danielpbarron: something like that
asciilifeform: the good news is that it's curable
asciilifeform: ( but gotta want to be cured )
danielpbarron: i would like to be as productive in my free time as i used to be in my professional life
danielpbarron: i'm not a very good manager of myself
mircea_popescu: how do you even know what "the reason is" ?
danielpbarron: i know what is not the reason, beyond that perhaps i don't know
mircea_popescu: seems to me you've managed to work yourself into a hole.
mircea_popescu: different, i grant, from the usual "find some dependocunt to worship along with her spawn", but rather in coloring than substance.
trinque wonders where sloth figures into danielpbarron's inner emulated yahweh
danielpbarron: it's bad
mircea_popescu: i'm starting to see a pattern here. "republic is unbiblical but i wanna be in the lordship, sloth is bad but what i do is not much, etc". you know, the principal theory as to ~why~ the catholics go to hell is specifically the trade in "indulgences", which is to say, EXACTLY that procedure ?
mircea_popescu: there can be such a thing as a naive practicing catholic, you know. what one says isn't the be all end all.
danielpbarron: you're right, i need to do what i say
mircea_popescu: or stop saying things that can't be done. either because meaningless, self-contradictory, unimportant, whatever.
mircea_popescu: i never heard before of some guy who CAN live independently, moving to rural shithole to not be bothered, and then having ~same to show for a year of his life as mod6. at least that dood is holding down a job and a coupla kids meanwhile.
danielpbarron: i'm not going to give up hope
mircea_popescu: you do understand the part where most guys in the lordship would very much LIKE to be able to move to fucking stickville and just not have to deal with the whole pile of crap.
trinque: wanton use of the declarative cuts both ways. this internalized "because bible, full stop" can just as easily "because on my ass is what I do, full stop".
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, yes
trinque: drug users (see: g_l) do this, go around declaring doctrines like lisplinux-chimera god and inventing pegleg rituals of devotion to her
asciilifeform: trinque: lulzily, i recently looked at the https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune thing : lo and behold, 'Latest commit b7332fe on Apr 6, 2017' << prolly d00d is truly dead
trinque: kid was dead when his mother let the state give him amphetamines while his brain was developing.
asciilifeform: trinque: hrm, i thought he took it up as grown man
asciilifeform not expert on q of typical disease progression in subj
mircea_popescu: they do this "declare the few boys showing signs of not being femtarded sick ; and then treat them" .
trinque came up in a generation of kids given amphetamine salts for ^
asciilifeform: trinque: escaped ? or didja have to 'cold turkey' or wat
mircea_popescu: pretty sure parental connivance was still required.
trinque: dad thought these "doctors" were communist pussies, bless him
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it the height of cargo cultist idiocy, this "6 character commit ids" thing shithub does.
asciilifeform: 'child shrink' racket created, or so i hear, '9000' exciting new diseases
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're really e.g. https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/commit/b7332fe26e69ff4d60f075f3c21179cd1eae8bae , they do the kochtard 'short fp' thing in the ui
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