ben_vulpes: what how on earth did that get in there
ben_vulpes: that box runs a 4.7, maybe use=bootstrap pulls in a gcc 6?
asciilifeform: dafuq is that ansii colourcontrol code soup doing in yer shell, ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: i can't evenread this, it makes my eyes water.
asciilifeform: at any rate you gotta ban gcc>4.9 .
asciilifeform: ( put it in the package.mask, per asciilifeform's cookbook. )
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/hey-remember-when-the-internet-didnt-suck/ << Trilema - Hey, remember when the Internet didn't suck ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748600 << ftr i have nfi who either him or the other derp was, and dun think i missed anything by this not knowing.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 04:34 mircea_popescu shan't be mentioning maddox again, wtf is this misery.
mircea_popescu: internet culture.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'threatening the structural integrity of the greater reddit community' ?!
asciilifeform: gold medal.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's build.log
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dumb femspeak (nowadays aka "google employee") for "making it not look like what we want it to"
asciilifeform: !#s gleichschaltung
ben_vulpes: also the gcc on the box *is* running a 4.7, gcc-config -l does not list the mentioned six
mod6: what does `which gcc` show?
ben_vulpes: and gcc --version ... 4.7.3
asciilifeform: looks like it came from gnat2017 tarball ?
ben_vulpes: when run without the bootstrap use flag, gnat-gpl still unpacks a few gcc-6 gzips and bz2s
ben_vulpes: ah shoot that's probably it
asciilifeform: tbh the retardation of gcc5+ dun affect , in any known way, ada -- the rotters rotted c/cpp frontend strictly
asciilifeform: and per the comments in ffa ch1, 2017 actually fixed inlining
asciilifeform: so i refuse to fatwa gnat17.
asciilifeform: but all of my works do and must build on 16 and prior.
ben_vulpes: isn't it defacto fatwad if it won't work with 4.9?
asciilifeform: it is odd that it barfs, oughta live side by side.
asciilifeform: i'ma try it myself this weekend.
asciilifeform not yet personally touched gnat17.
asciilifeform: i test these days on 16-gnu and 16-adacore.
asciilifeform: it is quite depressing that this is even a topic. but there is not, nor have ever been, language where linker etc are standardized along with all else.
asciilifeform: best horse in glue factory.
ben_vulpes: somehow gcc:4.9.4 blocks gnat-gpl-2016
ben_vulpes: what a mess
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 02:56 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << Thanks for posting. I can confirm that diana_coman's vpatch presses fine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GVmx0/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: mod6: tyvm, so far things are well. Still screening companions for trip to the abogado and collecting potential abogado contacts
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> anyway, before the kids go for the power point and phone again.. i'm off.. nice pics BingoBoingo << Glad to see you return
BingoBoingo: !~ticker -market all
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mircea_popescu: CRASHING o noes
mircea_popescu: aand in other lulz : the median age of kiev city is 35 yo for males and 40yo for females.
mircea_popescu: this notwithstanding, men still prefer women 5 years younger.
BingoBoingo: In other news, ethereum is now not metaphorically, but literally a tire fire https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/12/07/1951257/cryptocurrency-miners-are-using-old-tires-to-power-their-rigs
mircea_popescu: the shit pantsuits wanna read about...
mircea_popescu: it's like anime otakus but without the sex.
BingoBoingo: What isn't sexual about it. Big black openings burning with desire...
mircea_popescu: this may be erotic, but it isn't sexual. sexual is you know, with sex organs. not with substitutes.
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.092419 1949t6yHTStJJYesvt8a1S86Dd8dvBzsRo
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in penetration news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/27c879c04479609641d8896b0bfe703b/tumblr_nk3i4ldMsX1u9el6po1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: Well, they are meeting the openings where they are
BingoBoingo: In other withdrawls, valve/steam are quitting Bitcoin over their inability to bring value: "“At this point, it has become untenable to support Bitcoin as a payment option,” Valve concluded. “We may re-evaluate whether Bitcoin makes sense for us and for the Steam community at a later date.”"
asciilifeform: meanwhile, on the hannoboeck planet, https://neopg.io << usg tool marcus brinkmann proclaims 'clean rewrite of gpg' , with fanfare, spamola ( e.g. http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/1 ) , 'modernisms', the full shebang.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty big push in the usg."tech" community to not support bitcoin. fiver dropped it, of all people. and in general, i dun imagine you'll see usgtron support it nativel.
asciilifeform: ( moar lulz , for the expert entomologist, here, http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/5 , where d00d expounds re 'weak and strong random', studiously pretends that overflowlang bignum matters, etc. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of derpfunders, https://archive.is/grrrK << 'Patreon lets creators hide the amount of money they are actually making, although the number of patrons is still public. Boruta’s numbers are based on the roughly 80 percent of creators who publicly share what they earn. Of those creators, only 1,393 — 2 percent — make the equivalent of federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, or $1,160 a month, in October 2017'
asciilifeform: ( gotta luvv the 'creators' newspeak )
mircea_popescu: 2% ie, THE RICHEST.
mircea_popescu: 98% make the federal minimum wage in zambia.
asciilifeform: i'ma guess that ~0 live outside reich
asciilifeform: ( i dun think usg coin-operated scamola works outside reich )
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. the word on this whole "usg as understood by pantsuit is powered by "technology" as understood by pantsuit" shebang being http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/#footnote_2_65745 ; leading to the whole http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/ debacle.
mircea_popescu: in which context, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748557 is not at all coincidental. google isn't worth anything in any proper sense ; but it has a brand, which is now being "monetized" in the classic IAB sense of the term (spamola for the rest of the world).
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 01:15 asciilifeform: in other great-agains , https://archive.is/wbVbJ >> 'Google plans to increase to 10,000 the number of its staffers tasked with tracking down extremist content on YouTube. "We will continue the growth of our teams, with the goal of bringing the total number of people across Google working to address content that might violate our policies to over 10,000 in 2018," YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an intervie
mircea_popescu: ie, the fundamental problem of the worthlessness of ugc is being plumbed by usg at the wrong end : by abusing the power of the state to create imaginary value (a "creator" on etsy/patreon/etc might just be ye olde myspace band worth 0.00 ; but a "moderator" on reddit/youtube/etc is DOING GODS WORK and therefore how do you dare say priest time is worth 0 terrorist!!!)
mircea_popescu: there's a large contingent of useless neets who can be "hired" (job creation! yay!) and who for the past decade had it hammered into them at the thanksgiving table that "why don't you work for google! that's where the smart kids and all the money is! check out their playroom!!!1"
mircea_popescu: so now they DO work for google, in the only sense that matters to the ustard : "being able to say so".
mircea_popescu: "a maximum of impact with a minimum of effort" as far as the usg is concerned : trades in a worthless dead elephant for the continued attention of 10k useless schmucks it for some reason decided to put on the rolls.
mircea_popescu: watching the conclave of imbeciles "resolve" their "problems" as they understand and formulate them is the highest form of entertainment available under the sun.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "a maximum of impact with a minimum of effort" as far as the usg is concerned : trades in a worthless dead elephant for the continued attention of 10k useless schmucks it for some reason decided to put on the rolls. << From what I understand when Google hires the 10's of thousands in batches they do so through "Manpower" and other contract work agencies for nominally 12-15 usd/hr (usually less than $fedminwage
BingoBoingo: effectively due to shittiness of moderation system). That is unless the news is Google is taking the contractors on as direct hires
mircea_popescu: i expect they want to turn as many of their cogs as possible with it. so yes, hired through manpower, mandatory-complimentary "id protection" from equifucks and so on.
BingoBoingo: AHA, but yeah. Historically google had done this quietly. Then sometime earlier this year a pansuit rag did "expose" on practice which simply removed google's shame about the whole thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno if you knew , but actual-work-doing ( yes there is some prolly even today ) arms of usg, hire exactly like-so : through contract peonage agencies
asciilifeform: everybody from 95% or so of r&d, to mop men, to guards, same thing
asciilifeform: long ago asciilifeform worked on just such a contract, for many years.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha, back home near airforce base the sort was met all the time. USG.mil desk veteran hired and rented to usg.
asciilifeform: if u.s. army can do it -- why not google et al.
asciilifeform: theoretically crippled veterans etc got preferential dibs on the 'green' ( the card thing that opens doors and logs into winblowz, is differentially coloured for different types of slave ) jobs. (dod contractor 'purple')
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : archive.is uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.
asciilifeform: lol!! gotta wonder wtf the thing is doing with sslolade, crapflare, etc
asciilifeform: what's the even nominal justification. it's a public toilet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the verification fails "for unknown reasons" tho, and it's at least nominally a comodo issued item
mircea_popescu still lulz at how these "certificates" srtill include md5.
mircea_popescu: $item, if anyone gives the slightest shit : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9YaRs/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-and-improved-republican-glossaurus/ << updated, for great justice. comments welcome.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, if 'null crypt' ( make noises, exhaust gasses, but dun actually do any crypto ) remains a valid mode in 100% of usgcryptocrapolade -- why not also md5.
asciilifeform: !#s null cipher
mircea_popescu: in other shit you'll never believe, ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica because "prefers milder climates". "20 is too hot for her"!
asciilifeform: aaactually i can picture.
mircea_popescu: apparently there was a glaciation in europe while i was not paying attention.
BingoBoingo: lol, Montevideo too hot as well?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really ? how ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform for instance likes cold.
mircea_popescu: so you don't consider the standard human temperature mild thereby ?
asciilifeform: what means 'standard human temp' ? 36.6 ? if mircea_popescu walked into a room at 36.6 he would say 'sauna', betcha
asciilifeform: so can't be that. then which.
mircea_popescu: no. the technological standard for "temperature in a human habitat" is 20.5
asciilifeform: 'stp' ?
mircea_popescu: just like the technological standard for "water spout in human habitat" is > 1galon/day
asciilifeform: stp Officially is 0C, lel
mircea_popescu: and so following. human life is not this novel and fascinating item. war planners have been circumscribing it for a century+.
BingoBoingo working on adjusting to temperatures in human units
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you meant "at standard pressure" ie as opposed to who knows what arcana you had in mind.
asciilifeform: room temp is very muchly a subject of taste, neh
mircea_popescu: !~google 20.5 celsius to farenheit.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 20.5 C in Fahrenheit - CoolConversion .com: <http://coolconversion.com/temperature/20.5-C-to-Fahrenheit>; 20.5 degrees C to Fahrenheit - Celsius to Fahrenheit: <http://celsiusfahrenheit.co/20.5-degrees-C-to-Fahrenheit-20.5>; 20.5 celsius to fahrenheit: <https://convertsumo.com/20-5-celsius-to-fahrenheit/>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not more than average human height is.
mircea_popescu: that you prefer x or y has no bearing on how human femur has been the same length since before the notion of preference was invented.
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck google you're useless already.
asciilifeform: for all we know the 2 are not unrelated, and the pygmies shrunk from lack of wholesome, medicinal frosts.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile there's a reason the population of eskimo lands was a) never large and b) always selected for suckitude.
mircea_popescu: what's this, chucka worship now ?
asciilifeform: dunno, is mircea_popescu's 'chix ~must~ be 2m tall' swede-worship ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> !~google 20.5 celsius to farenheit. << ~68-69
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: subjectively folx tend to 'feel' climate not as the avg. temps, but the extremes, i suspect
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile there's a reason the population of eskimo lands was a) never large and b) always selected for suckitude. << Lack of healthful medicinal sweat. Essentially homosapiens are a sort of cabbage, need a bit of frost but also time not froze.
mircea_popescu: well tell you what, ukraine does 40 degrees.
mircea_popescu: costa rica never yet managed such a wonder.
mircea_popescu: the fucking definition of mild is "interval of five degrees centered on human ideal". as opposed to "SIXTY degrees intervals centered on fuck your mother, we hate you."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform had a relative recently go to the ruins of the old world, and came back with photos of korean air conditioners installed on ~every wall. no such item existed even in early post-sov 1990s, and not strictly from the cost.
asciilifeform: tho i suspect not 'warmer air currents', but americanization, 'eww, sweating' etc
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see an ac unit here.
mircea_popescu: well, cars have them,. but then again cars go to teh beach.
asciilifeform: yer ac is the lift that goes up to the mountain neh.
asciilifeform: to castle mircea_popescustein.
mircea_popescu: whole sj valley is blessed with altitude-mediated mildness.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well tell you what, ukraine does 40 degrees. << Perils of being far from an ocean
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BingoBoingo: Ah, the new normal. I move to South America and suddenly neither the current USD price not its all time low vs Bitcoin are certain
asciilifeform: for some reason the beautiful equatorial mild valley bananistans, never grew anything in the way of interesting ~people~
asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
BingoBoingo: Well, lack of persistent stresses
BingoBoingo: Sure some acute stresses like hurricaines and volcanos, but nothing like the certainty of winter coming and you get ready or starve
asciilifeform: shit-climate where agriculture is completely impossible -- chukchaizes, sure.
asciilifeform: but to return upstack to thread -- i can easily picture folx who dun want to move to where there are no seasons.
asciilifeform: and dun see it as unreasonable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu you never liked seasons ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't dispute that part. sure, necessity is the mother of invention, a proper beating whenever needed the cornerstone of domestic bliss, and so following.
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't make beatings tenderness nor the howling winds of the frozen praries mildness.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i like seasons ok, but the thing with this particular spot is that it's ~perpetual spring.
mircea_popescu: which is pretty much the only way one can ever be prevailed upon to trade seasons in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu often writes about the degenerately slothful italians. why do you suppose they are so ? could be the 3 harvests they get ?
asciilifeform has never lived in a perpetual spring. but pictures, possibly naively, that if he were to, would have to take occasional break and go on trip to the arctic, say. just for contrast.
asciilifeform: otherwise -- habituation, addiction, 'luxury ratchet' as in the old mircea_popescu article re chix with caviar
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing to forbid winter or anything.
asciilifeform: speaking strictly in re 'why would ukr not dream of moving to tropical gardenofeden'
mircea_popescu: moving wasn't on the table.
asciilifeform: then nfi.
asciilifeform: i read 'ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica' as 'import pet', possibly.
mircea_popescu: nah. you know how most people do "one night stands" whereby they meet some chick in the evening and are out of her dorm by noon next day ?
mircea_popescu: my implementation involves jet flight and goes for a week at a time, but otherwise...
mircea_popescu: call it an extended photo shoot, why not.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: 'what do you think is happening'
mircea_popescu: how would i go about knowing what squirrels know ? i am not a squirrel myself.
asciilifeform: possibly the chix see themselves as candidates for perma-move, and evaluate under it.
asciilifeform: hence the 'i wouldn't want to lose seasons' thing.
mircea_popescu: well... i never heard of anyone turning down night at the movies because it'd be uncomfortable to live in the movie hall. but who even knows.
asciilifeform: just like when plebes invite'em overnight, they see 'marriage candidacy' etc.
mircea_popescu: seems a little far fetched.
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting together the material for a reshoot of ye olde http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ ; in which sense your garden of eden reference is quite lulzily apt.
asciilifeform: lol neato.
mircea_popescu: (no, not gonna publish the results. i'm like the world's only and thereby also foremost private pornographer.)
asciilifeform: dunno, seems quite popular hobby
asciilifeform: iirc even today 19th c. era 'private porns' regularly turn up in attics.
asciilifeform: probably goes back to daguerre, and if you count hand-drawns -- to cave man.
BingoBoingo: In other news yesterday's 7 argentine roommates were replaced by a smaller crowd of Brazilians
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: equally invisible as the 7 ?
BingoBoingo: So far two distinct types of Brazilians have been observed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: more visible
BingoBoingo: 1. Speaks spanish with the clearest accent possible 2. Terrified of Spanish, vastly prefers English language
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But less of them.
asciilifeform: lol BingoBoingo type1 sounds like yer personal nsa stoolie attache
BingoBoingo: After retiring from la oficina last night mananged to socialize a bit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, 1 is not found in useful contexts for that
BingoBoingo: I suspect the clarity of the Brazilian spanish accent is related to my own previous aural experience. When I studied a bit of portugues the accent was far easier for me to produce myself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but matter of quality.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says his personal pr0n is of high quality -- why should i not believe.
asciilifeform: and there's nothing outrageous or even remarkable about not publishing something, asciilifeform dun publish and dun intend to 99.999..% of his various attempts, folx routinely make cake of arbitrarily good quality to eat by themselves, whatever.
asciilifeform: it wouldn't surprise me, for instance, if one day mircea_popescu said that he made fine shotguns, but only hunted with'em himself. mendeleev made... suitcases. etc.
BingoBoingo: ?me contemplating taking up leather craft as a hobby in ~1-3 years if still here and business goes well in a way that allows some time for hobbying
BingoBoingo: for the reason of better (for me) luggage and all
kjj: mircea_popescu: did you get my message earlier? My router crashed shortly after I sent it, so if you replied I didn't see it
kjj: well, technically, the UPS my router is plugged into shut down because it thinks it has a bad battery, but the end result is the same
mircea_popescu: what message be that ?
kjj: I had put in another request on mpex a little more than 2 days ago
mircea_popescu: aha ?
kjj: I take it there isn't much activity on that site these days
mircea_popescu: yes, you keep taking that.
mircea_popescu: now, do you have a stat showing you are in fact liquid for the amt ?
mircea_popescu: am i supposed to decrypt with your own key ?
kjj: hmm. thought I encrypted it with your key
mircea_popescu: !!key mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: "Wednesday the 6th of December 2017" << do you have one from prior to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743331 ?
mircea_popescu: am i supposed to decrypt with your own key ?
kjj: grr. sec
mircea_popescu: heh look at that, payment tx got stuck.
mircea_popescu: kjj sorry for the inconvenience, you should have it presently.
kjj: ok. thanks
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trinque: damn it kanzure, call back the solar shield. it snowed last night in houston.
mircea_popescu: is this part of the ongoing global warming ?
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 2: Logical and Bitwise Operations.
BingoBoingo: Milestones, first chivitos 14:14 GMT -3
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Local steak sandwich with egg. Mistakely ordered two
BingoBoingo also dropped la ropa off at la lavadora
mircea_popescu: ands in other lulz, every time there's a major usd devaluation event, a new crop of http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ "joins" in the sense of "flips a bit inside own head from self-importantly ''ignoring'' bitcoin to just as self-importantly ''being involved'' in bitcoin, as if either bit state or the act of flipping can possibly matter in any manner" and then set to "fixing" their manifest inadequac
mircea_popescu: ies (as perceived by themselves, which is to say, ''bitcoin problems'') through the SAME EXACT recipebook of nonsense.
mircea_popescu: "going to regulate" it, check that out, as if anyone asked the dumb sons of a whore anything.
BingoBoingo: Well they weren't asked and can't imagine being unwanted, so they derpity herpalurp
BingoBoingo: Until they are finally asked... to shut up
ben_vulpes: relatit: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-08/cohn-downplays-bitcoin-risks-as-white-house-eyes-evolving-market
asciilifeform: 'Cryptocurrency’s rise not a serious risk, Trump adviser says' << lol!!
asciilifeform: [Global Notice] Hi all, we will be migrating services (NickServ, ChanServ and friends) to a new server in roughly half an hour. << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702605
a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 17:51 asciilifeform picture kgb d00d putting down cut wire in tap box to take smoke break
BingoBoingo: !~later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously wtf are you still doing in KKKalifornia.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: oh hey i wonder if he's got gangrene yet
asciilifeform: ( and if not -- why not )
BingoBoingo: It's been a surprisingly long while. Stimulants and wound healing typically don't play well together
asciilifeform: even more oddly so then, neh
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 20:13 asciilifeform: 'Cryptocurrency’s rise not a serious risk, Trump adviser says' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: opposite tack worked poorly for ph.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748851 << lol look who's suddenly discovered the great outdoors.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 20:19 BingoBoingo: !~later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously wtf are you still doing in KKKalifornia.
mircea_popescu: most zeks never leave "the country" aka zone, bb. it's WHY the zone even exists.
asciilifeform: i laughed the first time, years ago , when i first read mircea_popescu said this on trilema; but since then met whole horde of usa folx who never even had a загранпаспорт
asciilifeform: and 'what, go where'
asciilifeform: part of it i suspect is the feeling of futility, they know that the usian reservation is waiting for'em wherever they go
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, I'd never left. So far I am noticing most prices here, where shit apparently happens in Uruguay only moderately lower than rural middle west yet... Quality of everything except door hardware vastly better in most respects
asciilifeform: ( in the places to which they'd even contemplate, that is, going )
mircea_popescu: the "feeling of futility" is notable part of arsenal of self-imbecility, of course.
BingoBoingo met first other gringo here last night at hostel
BingoBoingo: ~41 hours after plane touched down
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat's wrong with the door ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in horseplay, http://78.media.tumblr.com/6c9529da59bd0faed7a0c9032ee3f739/tumblr_nbp4rldRnp1sprsjzo1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most doors everywhere here tend to stick, latching mechanism last greased insufficiently and too far in the past
BingoBoingo: Similarly toilet seats are uniformly lightweight molded particle board painted white.
BingoBoingo: And the sinks while uniformly shiny often are showing early signs of valve failure.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so far this matches the description of typical flat in usa
asciilifeform: ( at least east usa )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In middle west toilet seats usually molded lightweight plastic resin, and sinks/doors tend to be more routinely maintained
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've even seen actual wood .
asciilifeform: in the oldest houses, strictly.
mircea_popescu: wood is not really all that great for this application.
BingoBoingo: I have seen actual wood in US, usually homes of older people whether house is young or old
asciilifeform: laquered, naturally. and why not ? good insulator
mircea_popescu: eh, the sort of wood that doesn't work, like used for eg eastern iconography, is kinda expensive.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, can anyone recount teh helter-skelter charlie mason scenario of risk, the game of world-diplomacy and international intrigue ?
mircea_popescu: because it's one funny yarn.
asciilifeform: !#s intrigue game
asciilifeform: it's apparently a phrase, but i only know it from mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you know what risk is ?
mircea_popescu: nah, there's this tabletop game from the 80s, before esltards could engage in "reasoned commentary" on the interwebs
asciilifeform: parchesi ?
mircea_popescu: they did the same thing with little plastic figurines. "the nation of africa".
asciilifeform: dice game, with back-and-forth motion, it ?
mircea_popescu: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91jJWHkkA1L._SL1500_.jpg <this thing
asciilifeform: pretty sure i saw this. there was also a more interesting variant with bluffing and under-the-table note-passing deals etc.
asciilifeform: a yea saw.
asciilifeform: dun tell me this is played outside of 3rd grade tho
asciilifeform at this point ready to expect just about any infantilism from 'games world'
mircea_popescu: of course it is. 100% of "discussing" "events" "news" and "politics" is this. what else is orlov, moldbug, wha have you ?
mircea_popescu: this and this only, from al-jazeera to cnn. what else ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. so there's two relevant episodes of seinfeld. in one, the resident imbeciles (the fat lazy one, postman, and the hipster doofus) engage in a VERY IMPORTANT game of nothing in particular. in the other, elaine's tasked to review a book about this cockeyed optimist.
asciilifeform: i dare say that dice players have a more accurate picture of reality than typical orlolist
mircea_popescu: they melded together, because they're such a grandiose summation of the "Achievements" of common postmodern man.
mircea_popescu: in other news : if you run a piece of shit firefox on a dirty box somewhere, and if you never upgraded it as you don't intend to upgrade it ; and if the ever-creeping idiocy of the world puts you in this situaiton where various ssl-"protected" sites are no longer loading :
mircea_popescu: about:config, search for browser.ssl_override_behavior and set it to 1, which entirely disables the pretense of "security" in https.
asciilifeform: ooh neato
asciilifeform: ^ prolly oughta go in the cuntoo-cookbook, in fact
mircea_popescu: they'll prolly going to "fix" it now that it's in the open.
asciilifeform: let'em 'fix' whatever they want in ~their~ tar.gz of failurefox
mircea_popescu: if only. but the way their idiocy works, they'll just i dunno, refuse to deliver pages spuriously because your browser doesn't sing "hail hilarity" in the right order.
asciilifeform: pretty soon, actually. iirc google et al had a 'replacement for html' in the works, with various novel idiocies baked in
asciilifeform: at some point one will need a sort of proxy simply to read heathenwww on anything like human os/iron
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the topic upstream :
mircea_popescu: the manson apocalypse goes as follows : 1. he makes a really happenin' record. 2. all the she-sluts of california swarm him. 3. all the black dudes who used to fuck these bunnies get really pissed off upon coming home and discovering the cumdumpster's ran off. 4. so pissed off they get, they riot and burn down some of the white man's shit.
mircea_popescu: 5. the white man gets really fucking pissy about it, and like, does really mean things to the blacks. 6. the ~millitant~ black secret police uses this to provove a war between the "racist" and "non-racist" whites, which are conveniently dumb and also evenly matched.
mircea_popescu: 6. everyone dies ; but!!! meanwhile manson was like underground with all the sluts from 2 ; 7. they come back out, kill the like three white people left ; 8. the black dudes discover they suck anyway, and joyously submit (to, literally, balin' cotton.)
asciilifeform: iirc robert heinlein had this.
mircea_popescu: this would be why allowing the lower classes outside of the whip-and-yoke combo is a bad idea.
asciilifeform: !~google farnham's freehold
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Farnham's Freehold - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham%2527s_Freehold>; Farnham's Freehold : Robert A. Heinlein: 9780671722067: Amazon ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Farnhams-Freehold-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0671722069>; Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein - Goodreads: <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50840.Farnham_s_Freehold>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when was this ?
mircea_popescu: well yes but 1962 or 1969 ?
mircea_popescu: the manson theory is he lifted it from the beatles. but...
asciilifeform: 1964. apparently.
asciilifeform: http://www.troynovant.com/Stoddard/Heinlein/Farnhams-Freehold.html << oblig modern pantsuit butthurt re ancient b00k.
mircea_popescu: man, remember the times a hugo meant somenthing ?
asciilifeform: looong ago.
asciilifeform: ( today it is given to approx. 'blackest, femalest, queerest' etc victimolympiad medalist )
mircea_popescu: well the fact that the whole thing is ten anon schmucks in a foodcourt somewhere dun help any.
asciilifeform: ~900 anon schmucks
asciilifeform: in a... but who cares
mircea_popescu: i would be surprised if they can get enough people together to interest a cheap restaurant.
asciilifeform: !~google worldcon
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Worldcon | The World Science Fiction Convention: <http://www.worldcon.org/>; Worldcon - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldcon>; The World Science Fiction Society | Worldcon and the Hugo Awards: <http://www.wsfs.org/>
mircea_popescu: according to google, all the pantsuitisms are HUGE
mircea_popescu: irl, there's a long abandoned locked door.
asciilifeform: these are what mircea_popescu calls 'rubber chicken feasts', massive at least in body count
asciilifeform: if not in any other substance, loud, public.
mircea_popescu: these are what argentines call "night clubs". "massive" except NOT TODAY. nor any other day. they happen, sometime, somewhere, for sure. but not ever actually.
mircea_popescu: prior to 4am "the night life hasn't started yet". at 3:45, you know, "oh, there's nobody here because NOT STARTED YET". then at 4am "come back next time".
asciilifeform never been to 'worldcon'. but even the nearest imitation , in baltimore, md, typically has a few thou .
mircea_popescu: of which 0.what % even know what the fuck is there ?
mircea_popescu: mall, also has a few thou. they just walked in to get out of the rain.
asciilifeform: why they are there, is a quite orthogonal q, and not an easy one.
mircea_popescu: if one day that self-same mall that gets coupla thou each day puts up "world con!11" posters doesn't mean they're conning anyone.
mircea_popescu: much like if hillary stands her pantsuit on a rock and gestures wildly, she's not making the sun come out "from hiding"
asciilifeform: really it is not difficult to find a few thou idjits to sell tickets to. witness the 'seekoority' cons, with 10s of thou warm bodies, coupla hundy ea.
mircea_popescu: there;s a humongous difference between crowd driving and crowd following. which is why cowboys (traditional herd drivers) think very little of shephers (traditional herd followers)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a corp racket. they're disguised pep rallies.
mircea_popescu: "oh you don't want to talk to our ''consultants'' ? what ifwe pretended this isn't happening at work ?!?!"
asciilifeform: the 1 asciilifeform was sent to, few yrs ago, was even worse than this.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, major distinction between burning man style things, catering mostly to the unemployed hipstger crowd, and the buzzword things, catering mostly to the castrated yuppy crowd.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-18 18:36 ascii_butugychag: on account of that schmuck at shmoocon who was peddling a group-theoretical crypto algo, quasi-proprietary and patentalicious, that was more or less stolen verbatim from maslennikov's book...
a111: Logged on 2016-01-16 18:53 ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point being, there is also a castrated employed hipster crowd, and every other combinatoric arrangement of these also.
asciilifeform read it
mircea_popescu: the age of cons etc is well past.
asciilifeform: i cannot answer whether they're a ~profitable~ racket in usa. but they ~are~ well-attended.
asciilifeform: certainly not the picture with 'old rusty door'.
mircea_popescu: they are not a thing though. airport bathrooms also well attended, and yet no glory holes counterculture.
mircea_popescu: which was the point : remember when a hugo meant something.
asciilifeform: and meanwhile yet another 'last 7 yrs!111' led lamp sputters, dies, in asciilifeform's machineroom.
asciilifeform: installed in... july
mircea_popescu: why do you keep buying them ?
mircea_popescu: i have incandescents here, 50 or so lamps, didn't yet have to change one
asciilifeform: i'd pay easily a few hundy, say, for a good one. but it's a mythical beast.
asciilifeform: really oughta put in fluorescent tubes, but asciilifeform spent too much already for 1 lifetime under fluorescents.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the spam traps, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Q6GK4/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 'Please invest responsibly'
mircea_popescu: lol coinbase pretending like anyone using them ? THATS NEW!11
asciilifeform: lulzy tho, 'expect goxlag!'
asciilifeform: fwiw i bought a coin there once to see what would happen. ( but earlier i also did this at... mtgox . worked there also! )
asciilifeform: it did!11
mircea_popescu: hastawork sometimes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> prior to 4am "the night life hasn't started yet". at 3:45, you know, "oh, there's nobody here because NOT STARTED YET". then at 4am "come back next time". << Aha, Argentines last to wake and last to sleep
BingoBoingo: Bom noche
mod6: <@deedbot> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 2: Logical and Bitwise Operations. << will read. thanks for posting!
mod6: always remember to thank the bots.
mod6: how goes tonight?
mircea_popescu: ran in the rain, got terrible shin cramps from it, got massage from nude interloper while playing with her tits... my life is so unfair.
shinohai: Still snowing here, power is back though so yay
mircea_popescu: good thing all the pantsuits saved you folk from dat blogal marming, huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so, did your time spent with the orlov menagerie pay off ?
BingoBoingo: Lol, the weather today muy bien, Felt around 27 at 2 pm then cooling ocean breeze and clouds. Sun went down and it warmed back up a bit.
BingoBoingo: In old country summer days not like this at all
mircea_popescu: ocean on the right, better than ocean on the left.
BingoBoingo: Tell that to Florida...
BingoBoingo: But that could also be the gulf making it hurriciane bait
mircea_popescu: i guess i shouldn't generalize!!!1
BingoBoingo: Eh, +ocean so far beating -ocean
BingoBoingo: Adjusting to activities of daily living is happening, taking more time than I though.
BingoBoingo: Hopefully by Monday some recommendations on abagados will have rolled in, but... not yet. Last one cold contacted offered a shelf corp for $4800, gringo rate (para tax shelter) appear to hover around $5000 mas o menos. Still trying to find srs businessman rate.
BingoBoingo: Necissito mas venezueleanas
mircea_popescu: so /me finally was going to look at steam today. after you know, waiting for it to die like five years.
mircea_popescu: idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748872 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch2_logicals thanks for letting me know
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 20:27 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience
phf: also added gpr and adc to get colorized as ada
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday. << Ayer
BingoBoingo: Miercoles? no, ayer
mircea_popescu: where's the fucking video with the entire boardroom of steam shaving their armpits and shoving live chickens up their assholes in wailing agony of shame and regret for having SOLD all the bitcoin they got immediately, instead of keeping it ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, we don't expose ourselves to currency risk, because we're self-important hookers with self-determination and human rights and we get to make decisions and shit"
mircea_popescu: DID NOT work out for them ; and in typical fashion of imbecilitard, they WILL NOT confront it. ever. 100% dedicated to this, until i personally fucking grind their face in the dirt, they'll go on "lalala we know shit":\
mircea_popescu: "gotta cater to the neets, that\s where the five bux is hurr durr"
BingoBoingo awaits NeetBGone spray
BingoBoingo: Brb, mingle time
trinque: dat fee market.
hanbot: <mod6> always remember to thank the bots. << mhm, thanks deedbot <3
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 01:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so, did your time spent with the orlov menagerie pay off ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 01:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748872 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch2_logicals thanks for letting me know
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749022 << did any of these nonsenses ever ~take btc~ , or did they merely take bitpayolade ? ( and the latter i'll guess finally croaked..? )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 01:33 mircea_popescu: idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday.
asciilifeform: last i heard, e.g., dell and microshit, 'took bitcoin' ( equally fiatronically )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 01:36 phf: also added gpr and adc to get colorized as ada
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf consider sharing your ada parser, i'd like to make a clickable-keywords hyperlinked thing at some point
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.