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diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743279 <- I had this with cypriots too; bbbut no tv? not *even* where you sit with friends? what do you do?? well, we...talk, you know; to be fair I've put that on account of youth rather than more generic rot but maybe I was wrong
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 02:03 asciilifeform: similar reaction if you invite an american d00d into a house with no tv set
mircea_popescu: few people can get through any social call without tv support. which is how they ended up invading bars etc.
mircea_popescu: !!up kjj
deedbot: kjj voiced for 30 minutes.
kjj: were withdrawls delayed because of the holiday weekend?
mircea_popescu: what withdrawals ?
kjj: I put in a request on the 25th. haven't seen anything on that address yet
mircea_popescu: yes but where did you put it ?
kjj: mpex.biz textbox as usual
mircea_popescu: ah. will look into it.
mircea_popescu: !!key kjj
mircea_popescu: !!rate kjj 1 Ancient.
mircea_popescu: kjj you can now self-voice btw. send !!up to deedbot in a pm whenever needed.
kjj: thanks
mircea_popescu: my pleasure.
asciilifeform: 'Prague's High Court on November 24 upheld a lower court's ruling allowing the extradition of Yevgeny Nikulin, whom the United States accuses of hacking computers and stealing information from major Internet companies including LinkedIn and Dropbox.'
mircea_popescu: why the czech republic ?
mircea_popescu: o, right, teh cuntlets huh.
asciilifeform: that makes... 4th? 'вредитель' kidnapped by usg from 'neutral' cuntry this yr ?
mircea_popescu: bohemia never independent.
mircea_popescu: dood ~could~ have just sat his ass down in belgrade, bussed the hos in from prague
mircea_popescu: but no, gotta be dumb.
asciilifeform: belgrade not colonized yet ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i kinda dun see the "sorry, avion ti gori" folk upholding any rulings.
trinque: mircea_popescu: sure can
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes that was pretty clear.
deedbot: kjj: gpg: error reading key: public key not foundhttp://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EMRuw/?raw=true
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: waiwat how's that work. to what did deedbot encrypt the message then ?
trinque: mmm apparently the correct key
asciilifeform: and, bonus, sha1 flag for sigs
asciilifeform: a trifecta.
asciilifeform: and in 2012..
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz : ~one~ failure of rng leaks entire privkey, in dsa. )
asciilifeform: sadly for kjj, as i understand he is stuck with this key 4evah, unless he wants to buy a boeing for mpex...
asciilifeform: moral -- measure seven times, cut once, etc. ( asciilifeform for instance is stuck with a 2048b rsa, at least until we finally throw gpg )
a111: Logged on 2015-12-19 22:55 punkman: "I actually have two implementations of example malicious signers:  One produces non-deterministic signatures and leaks a 256 bit private key, to the holder of a specific public key and no one else, in ~33 signatures with very high probability (failure rate of 1 in 1000 for 33 signatures, around 1 in a million for 34). The other produces a seemingly RFC 6979 like deterministic signatures and
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in deaths: http://www.colorforth.com is now a link farm.
ben_vulpes: awwwww
ben_vulpes: nobody cares about dns records anymore apparently
ben_vulpes: also earthlink, bless
asciilifeform: https://colorforth.github.io/index.html << he moved to shithub, apparently.
asciilifeform: chuck moore's http://www.greenarraychips.com still alive.
asciilifeform: http://www.ultratechnology.com/color4th.html << text transcript of moore's speech re colorforth .
asciilifeform: 'I am utterly frustrated with the software I have to deal with. Windows is beyond comprehension! UNIX is no better. DOS is no better. There is no reason for an OS. It is a non-thing. Maybe it was needed at one time.' etc.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9515.0, vol: 15398.84215450 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9514.8, vol: 76883.33269031 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9469.9, vol: 3428.4299081 | Volume-weighted last average: 9513.22382425
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 18:17 asciilifeform: moral -- measure seven times, cut once, etc. ( asciilifeform for instance is stuck with a 2048b rsa, at least until we finally throw gpg )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've cut ffa into 30 pieces, each ~1 pg; -> bl0g article.
asciilifeform: ( each own ada compilationunit. )
asciilifeform: builds a static .a lib, linkable.
mircea_popescu: do what i did when i leaked teh wikileaks, set it to publish one per hour or such
asciilifeform: yea, could ( tho i imagine a serious reader will need somewhat moar than 1hr to follow along )
mircea_popescu: so whatever, 6/day
asciilifeform: the other notion is that each shot oughta be a vpatch from previous . so also vtronics practice.
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea.
asciilifeform: ( rather than release of whole thing as 'born grown' genesis )
asciilifeform: it will make apparent what the logical structure of the thing is.
asciilifeform: ( which pieces make use of which other )
mircea_popescu: if it's worth writing, it's worth writing well. if it's work writing well, it's worth publishing well. if it's worth publishing well, it's worth reading. and so on.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've cut ffa into 30 pieces, each ~1 pg; -> bl0g article.
mircea_popescu: the cnat raed crowd of brogrammers didn't get ONE thing wrong. they got a whole list of things wrong (that they think is one single thing, but then again primitive man also has a single word for enemy, be it wolbachia, wolves or western men.
asciilifeform: currently asciilifeform is barfing over the fact that adacore's gnat is happy to build static 'independent library' .a while gpl gcc's gnat barfs
asciilifeform: the latter is the source of 100% of the tears in the l0gz to date re 'it dun go'
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, rot or non-rot shows equally at all levels, so it's rather hard to get much of a mixture of either side of it
asciilifeform: i'd naively expect that adacore's item would be the satanic one, and gcc's fork -- the functional. but so far in no case was this the finding.
mircea_popescu: in other fake news / mass media lulz, i read in today's la nacion that bitcoin went over 8k usd, and that various nobodies leeching the tax chest opine as to how "items not backed by anything are risky".
mircea_popescu: somehow it's 2012 again and the item not backed by anything is bitcoin, not the various fiats.
mircea_popescu: "bitch, really, what is the united states dobaloo backed by ?!" "the full faith and credit of the us government!!" "you mean like... the webpage by that name ?!" "no no there's so much more to it than that!!1" "im sure."
diana_coman: to me it seems they rehash that ~every time it jumps up in price by 1k or so
trinque: can't wait to read, asciilifeform
trinque: and use
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ayup. but it's funny, you know, dude in a toyota going "hey mister, shitty imports are not reliable cars".
mircea_popescu: you'd think it's sheer postmodernism, thief yelling thief and the dudes sitting atop piles of unbacked paper derping about how bitcoin is "risky because not backed by anything"
mircea_popescu: only thing to be backed by something out of the whole field.
mircea_popescu: (but it's cracking ; for instance the supposedly captured fmi is putting out notions of how countries should probably monetize bitcoin rather than other countries currencies. so dixit lagarde. who, i suppose, has been raping hotel maids in new york according to the usg suto dept.)
diana_coman: eh, it's postmodernism in the usual sense that "this word here doesn't mean what it means anymore but something else I decided"; aka "backed" now means as far as I heard "but everyday transactions happen still in fiat"
mircea_popescu: i'm all for it, too. let the pretend sovereigns pay for the cost of circulating monetary mass.
mircea_popescu: cuck wants to pretend, let him pick up the tab.
diana_coman: yeah, I just can't see the "logic" in that "definition" but not really expecting it by now anyway; perhaps it's more of "but this is what we know and it's been around for x years therefore it is solid"
mircea_popescu: o yeah totally.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should put up a video lighting cigars with benjies or something.
diana_coman: lol; those aren't plastic at least, are they
mircea_popescu: afaik still linen paper.
asciilifeform: light but dun inhale, thing is full of rare earths and nao also polymer crapolade
asciilifeform: ( would be interesting to burn it and mass spec, see exactly what inside. )
ben_vulpes: DRM violation alert!!1
asciilifeform: and what % cocaine
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743408 << what's it even mean for something to be ~honestly~ backed ? even in era when various paper moneys were theoretically 'backed in gold' what would have happened if million folx walked in to claim their au ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:50 mircea_popescu: only thing to be backed by something out of the whole field.
asciilifeform: as i understand it, whole idea of 'backed currency' is intrinsically chumpatronic.
asciilifeform: three modest warheads, together weighing less than a toyota, and usd worth ~0 in short order, regardless of by what backed.
asciilifeform: or if one insists : 1 sha256 collision on tx set, and btc similarly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform huh didn't consider that.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 23:26 asciilifeform: we already established that a hash collision is asteroid event for blockchain.
mircea_popescu: i meant re the "don't inhale" part.
mircea_popescu: you can't light a cigar without "inhaling", goes right into it
asciilifeform: hence the observation.
mircea_popescu: aww pity.
asciilifeform: light a detcord or sumthing else useful and pyrotechnic.
mircea_popescu: whole point is to light something useless by burning something useless.
asciilifeform: then light the pyre with captured nsa stoolie or whoever is first candidate...
mircea_popescu: if useful pyrotechnics, i'd burn say voltaire.
asciilifeform bbl,teatime
BingoBoingo: In other news, network switch has arrived, does fit in luggage
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun]
BingoBoingo: Checked bag to be clear, not carryon able
mod6: <+diana_coman> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743378 <- yay; I'll read! << ditto
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've cut ffa into 30 pieces, each ~1 pg; -> bl0g article.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile i bought ssds.
asciilifeform: in other not really noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-26#1743205 sparked pretty lively ( if inconclusive ) comment thread.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-26 23:55 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927 << Loper OS - The Peculiarly Quiet Decline and Fall of the KVM
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to boil down to approx discussion here.
asciilifeform: ( amusingly, there is an nsa version : https://ipgard.com/product-category/secureswitch )
asciilifeform: in other older olds, asciilifeform finally dug up http://trilema.com/2011/poveste-trista-cu-ciobanesc-german -- because literally same thing happened to him in timis ! even same ~type~ of dog
mircea_popescu: those fucking idiots.
mircea_popescu: should have to get a license to own dogs.
asciilifeform: german shepherd. and followed me around town, for hour+
asciilifeform: and stopped to poke head into yards, 'hey maybe they need a dog'
mircea_popescu: didja buy it a bacon "?
asciilifeform: proper, tall beast, with proper pointy ears
asciilifeform: nope, it switched to another d00d before asciilifeform got to where they have eats
mircea_popescu: them's da breaks.
asciilifeform: this was in the north-eastern part of town, with the old water tower
asciilifeform: ( what's the story of that thing, i did wonder, it was grandiose and entirely abandoned by all appearances )
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: 'steampunk' monument.
asciilifeform wondered what it would cost to buy.
mircea_popescu: eh, the locals are retarded. there's a building right downtown, huge, ancient, derelict, standing there for decade+.
mircea_popescu: not sold because... they're poor and stupid, basically.
asciilifeform: whaddayamean 'a building', i saw 100s
asciilifeform: there was 1 even right by the hotel, the very next door. roof fell off ( i wondered how, there were what, hurricanes ? strong enuff to rip off steel roof ? ) and squad of metallists worked on cutting it to pieces, and carting away, whole time i was there
asciilifeform: rain twisted 20 tonnes of steel roof so that i could see the underside ?
BingoBoingo: Many of these in Middle West along towns that were formerly rail transit hubs, architecturally grandoise for setting, but neglected and then fall
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that water tower is epic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you fail to maintain a steel structure for long enough, it will rust in weak spots and bend under own weight.
asciilifeform: oughta be inwards tho
asciilifeform: rather than out
mircea_popescu: no tornado needed.
mircea_popescu: this is always a disputable point.
asciilifeform: i can picture how it might, tho
mircea_popescu: which is why the whole "that's not how towers fall" experts are so laughable. bitch...
mircea_popescu: if we could say how shit fails we'd be way ahead in the game. problem with failing shit is that it fails as it wants to fail.
mircea_popescu: when it fails as you want it to fail it's called "working".
asciilifeform: ( that last previously in thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728629 )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 16:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 45°45'39.1"N 21°15'25.0"E
asciilifeform: incidentally an item like 'sad mansion 2' is quite unthinkable in usa : it STILL HAS GLASS !!
mircea_popescu: ah, those are gypsy mansions
mircea_popescu: the guys start building them, then the money runs out.
mircea_popescu: very persian empire cca 917 ad lifestyle.
asciilifeform: #2 i immediately suspected
asciilifeform: but how about the first
asciilifeform: it definitely looked pre-commie
mircea_popescu: nah. was built 2005ish.
asciilifeform: with brick arches?!
mircea_popescu: and they're all inhabited, the herd lives in the basement usually.
mircea_popescu: if you look, the brick is just cut to a concrete arch. faux.
asciilifeform: Uzinele Mecanice Timișoara was definitely inhabited.
asciilifeform: hm interesting.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that the corp nominally still exists : http://www.umt.ro , makes bmw gearboxes or what was it, in some back corner of the massive campus full of ???.
asciilifeform: but linked because there were quite definitely ~somebody~ living in there. ( did not look like what i expect of bums, however. looked like people, of sorts. )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 00:21 asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that the corp nominally still exists : http://www.umt.ro , makes bmw gearboxes or what was it, in some back corner of the massive campus full of ???.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, bitcoin getting close to 10k means that the http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ offer stands at just about $200 worth for a half hour's work if that. nevertheless, something to the tune of four billion females the world over perceive, entirely hallucinatorily, that they have the option to eschew this.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the hordes of "digital artists" who hallucinate the ridoinculous notion that they have the option to not work for minigame.
mircea_popescu: all these idiots will be whining -- plenty of them are already whining -- about "unfairness" and "wealth distribution". the part where it's the just desserts for their own mendacity conveniently omitted.
mircea_popescu: somehow if the usg website comes up with "it's illegal to smoke", they stop smoking, AS FUCKING IF. whereas when the republic orders, they "have options".
mircea_popescu: somehow nobody manages to feel even vaguely responsible for all the gains they DIDN'T realize ; much like that famous anon whore, "let me tell you what i want in exchange for what i'm willing to do" cuz it's like poorocracy over here or something now.
trinque: relatedly, after last weeekend's work, I can actually write up how said anontits can receive their btc via deedbot. had to make it such that deedbot can pass over a new acct, but reliance on deedbot ends there for key to wallet mapping.
trinque: in the absence of gossipd, using ssh with $user<->$specificCommand between nodes
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743510 << betcha mircea_popescu would conclusively barf long before a thousand, much less 4b, were to show up, with their inevitable and loathesome moan 'unfair! virii stole me coinz', 'my gox stole!' and similar leprosies
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 03:38 mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, bitcoin getting close to 10k means that the http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ offer stands at just about $200 worth for a half hour's work if that. nevertheless, something to the tune of four billion females the world over perceive, entirely hallucinatorily, that they have the option to eschew this.
asciilifeform: turne out, even most supposedly-literate folx dun have what it takes to properly operate own btctron.
asciilifeform: ( i for instance have some approximate notion of how many people have an actual rng. the number is not large. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743514 << the 4 possible types of people : a) those who had nfi wtf btc is and still have nfi b) those who bought btc by the trainload at <= 5bux c) who did not, and have no hallucinated defense mechanism in their head d) who did not, and have one
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 03:40 mircea_popescu: somehow nobody manages to feel even vaguely responsible for all the gains they DIDN'T realize ; much like that famous anon whore, "let me tell you what i want in exchange for what i'm willing to do" cuz it's like poorocracy over here or something now.
asciilifeform: members of group 'c' presumably have already eaten their pistols. whereas members of groups 'a' and 'b' aren't particularly talkative. ergo the most regularly met with type, is 'd'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really wouldn't gas.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743512 << gotta wonder what those phrases are plebespeak code for, in actuality. 'i dun have the things the tv people have' ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 03:39 mircea_popescu: all these idiots will be whining -- plenty of them are already whining -- about "unfairness" and "wealth distribution". the part where it's the just desserts for their own mendacity conveniently omitted.
mircea_popescu: evidently.
mircea_popescu: do you know there is not.one.single.shop selling pure natural fiber shirts in all of costa rica ?
mircea_popescu: i'm like "silk" dude recognizes the word, it's like i went to fish shop in 1980. "oh, THAT is what we don't have here!!! i know what it is! it's the thing this shop doesn'thave!"
asciilifeform: unsurprising , turd world (incl usa) all walks in those same chinese synthetic shirts
mircea_popescu: linen ? "linen can't be used for textiles because it frays" "your mom also frays. how about cotton ?"
mircea_popescu: "o, sure, we got that!" dood comes back, 65% polyester, 35% cotton.
mircea_popescu: this... is... polyester!
mircea_popescu: oh. well pure cotton can't be used for clothing!!! bitch... this shirt on me, see it ? this is 100% cotton!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742437 works.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:20 diana_coman: ahahaha "like mircea popescu or whatever his name is, but even with him i suspect he's not anywhere near as rich as he wants people to think he is - it doesn't add up; poorly fitted suits, average looking hotel suites/condos, spends all his time living in cheap shitholes which is precisely what white people who have money to live abroad but aren't rich do)" ; from ^^
mircea_popescu: they have BRAND NAME cheap polyester chinese shirts. thereby... VEHEMENT OPULENCE.
asciilifeform: aha same as in usa
asciilifeform: i suspect cr is in the event horizon of the unspeakable beast.
mircea_popescu: sort-of the sicily of rome. by 2500 they'll still have the most period-accurate pantsuit worn on the streets
asciilifeform: from mircea_popescu's tales, it has roughly similar absent-fishes-at-the-fishmonger.
mircea_popescu: much like sicilian dialect to this day puts the verb in last place, "siciliano sono"
asciilifeform: recall the cr food thread ? the very presence of the usa expats, i suspect makes various nice things scarce
mircea_popescu: us expats are to the last man poor fucks. their impact is ~0, you should see how happy 60yo is to have the attention of 19yo nicaraguan
asciilifeform: they won't buy sprats, or cotton shirts, why would apeman give a shit re of what is the shirt
mircea_popescu: no, the problem is the unhappy meeting of a deeply rural population with the chinese empire.
asciilifeform: apparently collectively >0 ?
mircea_popescu: i doubt it.
mircea_popescu: most of the cr tourism receipts are euros brought by zee germans, followed by euros brought by the azns (who, weirdly, tend to use euros more than dollars).
asciilifeform: tourists dun typically buy groceries afaik
mircea_popescu: cr regularily has a major euro excedent and dollar deficit (as it imports cars and shit from mexico for usd)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "expats" are generally dorks come here a week-two at a time for the hookers.
mircea_popescu: generally, retired old men on measly budgets.
asciilifeform: hm i pictured 'brass pole in bangkok' old fart perma-exiles
mircea_popescu: not generally.
asciilifeform: interesting
mircea_popescu: of the people who genuinely live here and bear us passports, the majority is the us embassy residentura.
asciilifeform: so take that casino d00d -- rly, he's going back north ? why would he do that..?
mircea_popescu: ie a coupla dozen dorks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz it's expensive to be here ?
asciilifeform: i thought whole point for him, was the cheap ?
mircea_popescu: the cheap ~whores~.
mircea_popescu: girl here can be had for a hundy a night, and she'll be pliant. he can't get what he's looking for in the us, at any price ; nor can he really afford the 2-3k a night top shelf (ie, teens, tall, nice figure, good manners etc)
asciilifeform: but other items, expensive ? what's a modest flat cost ?
mircea_popescu: bout the same as in the us.
mircea_popescu: not miami-us, but wisconsin-us.
asciilifeform: so why wisconsin not empty of its pensioners yet
mircea_popescu: same reason i don't have a 4 byte index of 4bn tits.
asciilifeform: yea gotta be. same reason ro ain't filling up
mircea_popescu: girls slightly more expensive there
mircea_popescu: though not on a per foot basis.
asciilifeform: save on square metrage; spend on gurlz
mircea_popescu: per foot of height i meant.
asciilifeform: lol bought like cable ?
asciilifeform: 'i'll take six meterz plox'
mircea_popescu: well if your distance's 5"8 what can you do with a coupla 3"6s ?
asciilifeform: but where outside of pygmystan are they 3"6
mircea_popescu: great tits, great asses, as tall as your dick altogether.
asciilifeform: i get the impression that mircea_popescu ended up in more of a 'martian colony' position than he'd like -- stuck importing literally all of the necessities of life
mircea_popescu: honestly, when it comes to females imports are always preferable. if you can make do with what the soil provides you should probably increase your standards.
mircea_popescu: if you run a farm you can just lasso the local cowsies, but if you run a IC plant you prolly have to attract foreigners.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the things that don't have to be imported (colonials : chocolate, coffee, fresh fruit of land and sea etc) are much preferable. whore suffers naught for a 10 hour trip in the plane ; tuna quite does.
asciilifeform: i can picture.
asciilifeform: usa is an astonishing pit, banana republic with 0 bananas
mircea_popescu: whereas here can stop car on roadside
asciilifeform: at least down south : bananas.
mircea_popescu: and cut your own
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