mircea_popescu: bear with me
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would register width matter ? can't have 4 bit gnat for some reason ?
asciilifeform: can !
asciilifeform: if someone were to write one.
mircea_popescu: getting back to the "i'm from california and thereby i'm fucked in the head" thread, "Configure GitHub to look Symbolicsish ; Configure YouTube to look Symbolicsish". this "task" pretty much explains the whole thing imo.
asciilifeform: but '16 bit' x86 is not just about bitness
asciilifeform: it is about quite different instr set, and arch ( incl. the use of segments )
asciilifeform: so gcc pointedly never targeted it.
asciilifeform: because it's a crippled horror
mircea_popescu: myeah, i figured "fuck you, write the paging yourself" the moment 4 bit was out of my mouth.
asciilifeform: 16bit 'p' will prolly have to be asmed by hand.
asciilifeform: good student project.
asciilifeform: ( and not even 640, but 64k, i will point out, is plenty )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693151 << what do you mean by that? we discussed him in logs, he's got fuck you money, which he burns on symbolics hardware from dks
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:39 asciilifeform: phf ^ is he one of yours ?
asciilifeform: phf: nm i since found the l0gz item
mircea_popescu: douglas fields, was it
asciilifeform: lol i might have found a buyer for ye olde 3620
mircea_popescu: ah, you were selling it ?
asciilifeform: for many years
mircea_popescu: bitcoin only or buyer's choice ?
asciilifeform: last d00d who 'i will fly out for it!' was adlai
asciilifeform: never showed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: current d00d offers to trade for a qty of raw 'ivory's
mircea_popescu: o hey.
asciilifeform: which is a fine trade.
asciilifeform: supposing that one day i find another d00d who has the pinout...
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2719.84, vol: 8939.05416383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2713.3, vol: 22831.32753829 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2720.672955, vol: 14635.66870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2726.99, vol: 7289.61562388 | Volume-weighted last average: 2718.25690618
cazalla: asciilifeform, NSA actually ships? :P nice
cazalla: listening to a podcast with that neo bee danny brewster guy being interviewed, says he should've listened to mircea_popescu lol
cazalla: @ 4:43:11 if you so care https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-brewster-trooper-satoshi-point-have-a-foursome-with-junseth
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ABRKj/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 08:51 cazalla: asciilifeform, NSA actually ships? :P nice
asciilifeform: meanwhile, at the monkey circus, https://archive.is/RiGV4 >> 'Going to be lolz epic when all the SegWit transactions are double-spent, i.e. stolen by miners on The Real Bitcoin (the legacy Satoshi blockchain).' 'Go ahead and continue voting to close and censor this question. It will not change the embarrassment that you will have when it comes true and all the losses that people sustain because you blocked timely disclosure. Your cen
asciilifeform: sorship only further lowers your future reputation.'
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/5TW5M << 'we read #trilema and won't say it and ergo We Thought Of It All Ourselves '
asciilifeform: also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin'
asciilifeform: heya mod6
shinohai: " put on hold as primarily opinion-based by ....... Pieter Wuille,Jul 29 at 17:41 "
BingoBoingo dreamt that mp staged a "reality show" style social experiment. Series of competitions where contestants were coached to act on Trilema principles, "cause not purpose" to prevail. Then as soon as contestants were told filimg stopped the "moo-moo" resumed.
BingoBoingo: Limited edition collectible soaps were then made from the contestants and offered to fans.
shinohai is still amazed people actually use Ripple
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 08:54 cazalla: listening to a podcast with that neo bee danny brewster guy being interviewed, says he should've listened to mircea_popescu lol
ben_vulpes: that anonymint feller is really going for the gold in plagiarism
mircea_popescu: hey, there's such paucity of ideas in the fiat world, it's somehow unsurprising when escaped victim goes hog wild in the clover patch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ok worx
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693218 << i thought the dude carefully linked to the foundation website.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 14:53 asciilifeform: also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 15:17 BingoBoingo dreamt that mp staged a "reality show" style social experiment. Series of competitions where contestants were coached to act on Trilema principles, "cause not purpose" to prevail. Then as soon as contestants were told filimg stopped the "moo-moo" resumed.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693218 << i thought the dude carefully linked to the foundation website << it is, ya
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 14:53 asciilifeform: also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693225 << nothing got archived ? what was teh orig url or ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 15:23 BingoBoingo: OMG Crashing https://archive.is/PijL7 #4 behind Ether huffing and RIPple
trinque: at least two archive.is links doing that
trinque: maybe they're down atm
trinque: asciilifeform's worked earlier
mod6: yah ^ also having issues
mod6: it worked for me 1st time...
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin crash now at 200phash or so. basically, one solitary guy and whatever gear he managed to rent.
mircea_popescu: though i suppose that may well be a major overstatement. evaluation process too noisy to correctly catch just how fast it's dropping.
ben_vulpes: are those anynomint/stack overflow archive links dead for anyone besides me?
mircea_popescu: trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691909 still hasn't been certified. is it a fee thing or something else ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-01 17:09 BingoBoingo: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xFaNd/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo For the month of July 2017, Qntra published 37 articles for a total of 3993 words.* < is that star like a footnote ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> anyway, bitcoin crash now at 200phash or so. basically, one solitary guy and whatever gear he managed to rent. << remember when 200p was like insane amt?
mircea_popescu: o ya.
mod6: heheh. now, just one dude in hk trying to promote his motel or some shit. :D
asciilifeform: in other noose, lotta frustrated fpga aficionados live in #bolix.
asciilifeform: incl. at least 1 fella who hit the famous ddr-sdram wall.
mircea_popescu: btw, where did we lulz at some fake news outlet printing a pdf straight up thereby allowing the usg goons to pick up their source ?
mircea_popescu: iirc happened recently.
asciilifeform: 'reality winner' affair
mircea_popescu: a ty
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in naval engines, http://68.media.tumblr.com/35808c3aa6c8e93bbadbdeecf3acaad3/tumblr_o6ar6zYZRU1v8e494o1_400.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-july-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2017 Statement
trinque: mircea_popescu: the node's behind, and looks like it's not getting anything from its connections. I'll look into it.
asciilifeform: trinque: if it relied on zoolag, it will be hungry until the new ssd crate arrives ( tomorrow at dawn )
asciilifeform: ( plus backup reconstitution time )
asciilifeform: but ideally one should not rely on 1 box...
asciilifeform: ( even if it's yer personal box. asciilifeform had a bunch of stuff grind to a halt when zoolag went )
trinque: I may have misunderstood the wires patch behavior.
trinque: did a wire to one node mean not trying to eat from others, or merely "highest priority to wire"
trinque: thought it was the latter
asciilifeform: trinque: the latter
trinque: k, that's all I had, not "connect"
asciilifeform: though it does clutter the debug log with barfola if the partner is dead
trinque: at any rate, going to disable the wire for now and see what happens
asciilifeform: ( wires patch currently is just epsilon short of useless, because of the asinine default block sync algo )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu for instance does not operate with it
trinque: what I see in my logs is many BANNED and many "no message in first 60 seconds"
asciilifeform: that's heathens
asciilifeform: ( the 'banned' )
asciilifeform: the latter is ye olde blackhole
asciilifeform: which i demonstrated (at least to my satisfaction) as caused by slow verification on ~own~ end, of incoming blocks
asciilifeform: during which sockets are not serviced and wither and die.
asciilifeform: ( see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/thread.html and corresponding threads )
trinque: could be that I diddle the RPC hole too often for this node
asciilifeform: that's a blocking op also, incidentally
asciilifeform: because again the idiotic design of whole thing
asciilifeform: but i have nfi how much it costs you, you would have to make a profiling patch similar to mine and see.
trinque: will have a few things to chew on re: trb once this walletbot sits down.
trinque: the thing wants at least a sendrawtxn, external txnmaker, and address tracking without holding privkey
asciilifeform: also to go with these -- option of running sans mempool
trinque: also wants P, of course :)
asciilifeform: not sure how that goes directly with trb
trinque: an external adatronic otpulator makes dealing with transactional items diddled by the web safer, as I see it
asciilifeform: this yea
trinque: otp generator can keep an audit trail, which can be run out of band when moving actual coin.
trinque: doesn't match, sorry folks, going back to the last transaction batch
asciilifeform: trinque: can you point me plz to the thread where it was described what your current item (walletbot) does ?
asciilifeform: i somehow missed.
trinque: I'm going to do a writeup when released, still putting it together.
trinque: the otp part discussed here stands alone, though. a rather dumb piece of software can keep track of encrypted OTPs it dispatched, the corresponding command (which sits in the encrypted item), and when it got the OTP back.
trinque: works for an accounting db, wot, w/e
trinque: otp box can be msdos over serial port, input parsing is trivial (key parameters, hash of command; so all numeric - none causing branching)
trinque: ah probably string of command, since folks need to see what it is they've gotten an OTP for. at any rate, still not branch-causing.
trinque: if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better. that'd be the audit trail instead of the OTP box's disk.
trinque: ^ obviously comments welcome.
asciilifeform: trinque: if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better << i use a thermal printer for this
asciilifeform: it is ~perfect : 1) no way for enemy to unhappen logs short of burning the bldg 2) easy to scroll through, read 3) thermal paper burns great
asciilifeform: printer shits out 10kB/sec easily.
trinque: aaah right.
asciilifeform: archive.is barfing again
asciilifeform: and refuses to load the lul o' the day, https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ywp8k5/researcher-who-stopped-wannacry-ransomware-detained-in-us-after-def-con .
asciilifeform: 'On Wednesday, US authorities detained a researcher who goes by the handle MalwareTech, best known for stopping the spread of the WannaCry ransomware virus. ... At the time of writing it is not clear what charges, if any, Hutchins may face. Motherboard verified that a detainee called Marcus Hutchins, 23, was being held at the Henderson Detention Center in Nevada early on Thursday. A few hours after, Hutchins was moved to another faci
asciilifeform: lity, according to a close personal friend.
asciilifeform: ... "I've spoken to the US Marshals again and they say they have no record of Marcus being in the system. At this point we've been trying to get in contact with Marcus for 18 hours and nobody knows where he's been taken," the person added. "We still don't know why Marcus has been arrested and now we have no idea where in the US he's been taken to'
asciilifeform: 'A US Marshals spokesperson told Motherboard in an email, "my colleague in Las Vegas says this was an FBI arrest. Mr. Hutchins is not in U.S. Marshals custody."'
asciilifeform: trinque: incidentally i recently purchased a number of thermal printers from dying ratshacks, you can have one for cost of postage
asciilifeform: iirc some still even have paper..
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, asciilifeform has a crackpot twist theory re why 'shitcoin cash' tire fire : it's a ploy to make impatient folx glom their addrs ( for usg's 'taint db' farms ) when splitting&selling shitforkolade
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i know, i already put it in teh report.
asciilifeform: waiwhich report
asciilifeform: i dun see it there ?
asciilifeform: did the footnotes get cut off ?
mircea_popescu: "For ready comparison, the "journalists" of the Empire of Stupid were mentally slow and bodily lazy enough to publish a pdf that betrayed their source last month." links it neh.
asciilifeform: oh that!
asciilifeform: i thought this was re 'ploy' item
mircea_popescu: a no. hang on im behind teh history here.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 17:23 asciilifeform: which i demonstrated (at least to my satisfaction) as caused by slow verification on ~own~ end, of incoming blocks
asciilifeform: i did hope to find some other major source of dogslow. but nope.
shinohai: From the sewer: "I think bcash sounds much cooler than bitcoin. the name bitcoin feels like myspace, bcash feels like facebook."
asciilifeform: ( hence the ludicrously disproportionate effect of ssd )
mircea_popescu: shinohai and my dick up his ass feels like paradise.
asciilifeform: shinohai: lol!!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693319 << of course there is, get an ancient tractor epson matrix printer, buy it paper, let it go.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 17:41 trinque: if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better. that'd be the audit trail instead of the OTP box's disk.
mircea_popescu: ^ very much recommended for audit, this, btw. oldest system known to man, ticker tape, for telegraph and stock exchange. still unbeaten.
asciilifeform: i dun much like those for even light seekritz, they leak via audio
mircea_popescu: not for secrets at all ; for audit.
asciilifeform: dun believe - try yourself. record the 'bzzzz' and out come the bits.
asciilifeform: i like thermal.
mircea_popescu: also fine. the whole idea is the ticker tape, not the method necessarily.
asciilifeform: compact, too. and - unlike tractor - paper sold everywhere.
mircea_popescu: but : a) visually inspected and b) read only.
mircea_popescu: actually b) is stronger than "Read only". FIXED ENTHALPY TIME FLOW.
asciilifeform: print current topblock hash also, every L lines.
mircea_popescu: how did the poet put it, "the writing head does write, and having writ, moves on
mircea_popescu: nor all your nsas or wit could call it back to cancel
mircea_popescu: but a single line of it.
asciilifeform: printing blockhash nukes the pre-prepped-tape-substitution attack also.
asciilifeform: don't settle for inserting road cone into the bastard's arse, insert telephone pole.
asciilifeform: elsewhere , for all of asciilifeform's gripe re the trinitron d00d -- he immediately grasped 'why FUCKGOATS named'
mircea_popescu: really this should be the motto of something. "The moving finger writes ; and, having writ, moves on. Nor all thy Piety nor Wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line ; nor all thy tears wash out a word of it."
asciilifeform: and didn't say anything headdeskingly foolish, even.
mircea_popescu: if this isn'tr bitcoin, i dunno what is.
asciilifeform: '... nor all thy wuillety or piet...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason i even quoted etc is that for all the diversity, no actual stupidity came out. so...
trinque: see what the complexity hell did to my mind? "not printers, those are a nightmare cesspool"
asciilifeform: trinque: the ones in question are rs232 boxes
asciilifeform: ( 2 cords, mains & serial )
asciilifeform: they were once connected to cash register
trinque: still are, I can confirm :p
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693332 << I stand next to a stack of them at this moment, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 18:07 asciilifeform: trinque: incidentally i recently purchased a number of thermal printers from dying ratshacks, you can have one for cost of postage
trinque: but ty
mircea_popescu: trinque i'll dare say it's something else. have you ever seen "a man for all seasons" ?
trinque: I haven't.
mircea_popescu: ok, well, if you're curious to delve into what did what to your mind, go see it sometime, and see it so that you answer me the question of "what did moore do wrong ?"
mircea_popescu: he dies, and he dies for his sins.
trinque: interesting, will watch it soon.
mircea_popescu: definitely one of the ten best anglo movies ever made, at any rate.
mircea_popescu discovers alf had already http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693322 so all his ulterior comments were really just rehahs. AWW!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 17:43 asciilifeform: it is ~perfect : 1) no way for enemy to unhappen logs short of burning the bldg 2) easy to scroll through, read 3) thermal paper burns great
mircea_popescu: this is my dismay.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693329 << typical "rule of law" for soviet / banana republics.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 17:51 asciilifeform: ... "I've spoken to the US Marshals again and they say they have no record of Marcus being in the system. At this point we've been trying to get in contact with Marcus for 18 hours and nobody knows where he's been taken," the person added. "We still don't know why Marcus has been arrested and now we have no idea where in the US he's been taken to'
asciilifeform: thermal tape shitter is also great for otp btw
mircea_popescu: "oh, we don't know". riight. and putin has problems.
trinque: funny thing was I'd already considered having the OTP box burn a CD as it went along, just shitter printing without visual inspection.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693331 <<< nah, arresthire. they're running out of talent pool.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 17:51 asciilifeform: gasenwagen.
asciilifeform: can cat directly, to paper, /dev/fg | xxd -p > /dev/ttyblah
asciilifeform: ( how to make 2+ -- exercise for reader )
mircea_popescu: tee ?
asciilifeform: lol arresthire
mircea_popescu: it's a thing.
asciilifeform: is it like doctor on pirate ship ? they let'im go when new one caught ?
mircea_popescu: hey, 0.1% or so by mass, about 33% or so by output of usg.nsa/etc is zekware. and i mean this quite literally.
mircea_popescu: "So, it appears thermal stress on the Ivory CPU isn't the problem, or that the thermal stress is too great for that small heatsink to keep up with." do they not have laser thermometers where these people live or what is the problem here ?!
asciilifeform: he did say later
asciilifeform: it's the PALs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability/ << where later ?
asciilifeform: in his chan
asciilifeform: oh hm i meant the other d00d
asciilifeform: i think 'engineer' is the 'dougnyc' d00d
mircea_popescu: lol mkay. i mean this dood. and wtf already, put some probes on the baffling process, this is science ?
asciilifeform: it costs much much less than lispm...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik, yes.
asciilifeform: 300bux or so
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 04:08 mircea_popescu: douglas fields, was it
asciilifeform: also if i had a working ivorytron 1st thing i'd do is put diamond paste & hs from opteron on it... so yea wtf
mircea_popescu: no idea.
mircea_popescu: but the engineering label seems to be falling off./
trinque: ah now I recall what might reduce the print audit's usefulness. it means visual inspection of the encrypted items, as well as OTPs. logger box has to first see the encrypted item, second, corresponding OTP, and then this log has to be verified by someone who can (elsewhere) crack open the encrypted ones and match up the OTPs.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what that fella smokes
mircea_popescu: trinque it's for your own later audit. hence the tee
trinque: tells me ordering of OTPs, but not whether one leaked out with wrong key, multiple keys, so on.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of baffling moongineering : why the fuck do they have SQUARE vent holes on places like us navy ships, where they can actually afford to design the cover rather than buy from walmart.
trinque: well, without transcribing or OCR'ing the log back in somewhere.
mircea_popescu: trinque can always hash any item that is long to check for conformity in audits.
asciilifeform: trinque: qr code
mircea_popescu: or maybe i'm not understanding the problem ?
asciilifeform: ( or even conventional bar )
trinque: in order for a log of OTPs to be meaningful, in that it asserts a particular person assented to an action at a given time, gotta know the OTP corresponds to the item sent to that person. the way I've been thinking about that is encrypting the OTP with two keys, one of which I hold; the other belonging to the outside party
mircea_popescu: could have just hashed it neh ?
trinque: and that at some point a log of the encrypted OTPs and their return (as seen over that serial cable by 3rd box) is moved somewhere, and the encrypted OTPs decrypted and matched up with OTPs received
mircea_popescu: if you have an irreversible hash function, it's better than encrypting.
mircea_popescu: (ie, doesn't need decryption, can simply compare)
trinque: writing it up real quick in longer form.
mircea_popescu: shall read.
mircea_popescu: and in other random lulz from the internets, https://profs.info.uaic.ro/~vcosmin/stuff/temp/psgbd/Tema_ScorDoi_Nr6/_Chiriac_Dorin_B5_6_2_Cazacu_Vlad_X1_6_2.html
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693423 << i believe man's solution was to buy another $7k xl12xx. otherwise the website is distinguished by macro photos of symbolics boards and retellings in own words of Document Examiner material (which is also available in printed form, in before asciilifeform's "i have the whole printed set")
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 18:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability/ << where later ?
mircea_popescu: the macro photos i like.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would he hassle dsk for an original fucking fan though. really, copper is expensive now ?
phf: not even fan, heatsink, and i also have no idea
phf: relatedly i couldn't figure out how to attach the fan to the board without drilling into it. there's like two possible mount points, but requires machining a custom brace
asciilifeform: only theory i can think of is he did not want to 'spoil' his 'rembrandt' with 'non-period' grease and hs
asciilifeform: phf: thermoepoxy !!
asciilifeform: the kind with diamonds
asciilifeform: worx great
asciilifeform: i use it everywhere.
mircea_popescu: the heatsink/fan assemblage is not heavy enough for the paste to not hold it. esp if upright.
phf: that's how the heatsink is attached to the surface, but i wasn't sure if it can handle the fan vibration
asciilifeform: epoxy will hold it and if you pull it with four hourses it'll be the pcb socket that comes off, not the hs
mircea_popescu: if it can'y you really should have a fan made industrially
phf: i mean, i figured it's ~not~ the question of weight, obviously
mircea_popescu: as opposed to "out of gerbils"
phf: hmm interesting, ok
asciilifeform: and i dun care re vibration.
mircea_popescu: yet another case of "in discussing idiocy of idiots, sane people find out interesting truffs."
asciilifeform: ( the solder on the board, may eventually care. but not the epoxy. )
asciilifeform: btw all bolix iron used good old leaded solder
asciilifeform: trivial to rework
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, alternative desolder to "wick lead in" , vibrate it for 6 months ? :D
asciilifeform: see, none of that.
mircea_popescu: "our novel eutectic alloy melts at just about 500 degrees. just as good as proper solder, and also better for the environment!!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 22:21 asciilifeform: ' RoHS = Restrictions on Hand Soldering ' ( good one. and true : as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 , shit dun melt worth shit with any available iron )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other side of that chasm, of course, is that it's how euros forbade the phtalates (plastic softeners) and polybrominated crapola (flame retardants).
mircea_popescu: makes eu houses significantly more habitable than us equiv.
asciilifeform: i remain skeptical that they did not substitute in something equally objectionable.
mircea_popescu: well, in practice the whole "flame retardant" thing never really took off. but this is not because of the rohs stuff.
phf: it is well known that things are as bad elsewhere as they are in smawpland, dc
asciilifeform: lol 'inversecargocult'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc 'flame retardant sofa' is a production of u.s. tort idiocy
mircea_popescu: and kid pijamas and dildos and so on.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the fertilew swamp on which that was produced were "better building materials", ie, "let's make a house out of drywall and insulation".
asciilifeform: dun forget aluminum foil.
mircea_popescu: that's actually fine. dun help dun hinder.
asciilifeform: the planks come off.
asciilifeform: and insides bust out.
mircea_popescu: huh ?
asciilifeform: ( vermin -- in )
asciilifeform: the al. siding .
asciilifeform: it comes in these long strips.
mircea_popescu: you saw that "tinmen" film btw ? re the early al siding industry ? that enchanted period in the 50s that even gave memes like "wtf are you, an al siding salesman ?"
asciilifeform: nope. but it is on the list
asciilifeform: iirc came up in an old trilema.
mircea_popescu: yeah, notbad film. anyway. al siding was always a scam, but that's not what i thought you meant by foil.
asciilifeform: ^ re 'arresthire' d00d
mircea_popescu: tbh i very much like the danielpbarron write-up style of "this is how to do x ; if you're lazy i'll do it for you costs this much".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the idea is dood made/sold kronos w/e that was.
mircea_popescu: $3000 ie ~1btc worth of software.
mircea_popescu: this isn't evne grand theft is it.
asciilifeform: he isn't being accused of theft
asciilifeform: but of 'manufacture of hacking device' etc
mircea_popescu: so ? 2k worth of it
asciilifeform: that statute doesn't have damage quota
asciilifeform: or requires crown to show any at all
mircea_popescu: let me put it another way : if "the united states" is sorely hurt by a coupla grand wortha software, all those tomahawks'd better win some wars.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i care what usg thinks its laws are about as much as i think what fat girl thinks her reasons for eating are.
asciilifeform: they still have sore starfish from 'wannacry' using nsa's beloved 'unpatchable' hole, and pressure building for patch of same
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we're discussing zimbabwestan i am stuck describing its witchcraft statute.
mircea_popescu: i thought the guy fixed wannacry. did he make wannacry ?
asciilifeform: fixed in this case was 'took for self'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but in our terms ; not in zimbabwestan terms. zimbabwestan may not have terms.
asciilifeform: 'Hutchins’ employer, cybersecurity firm Kryptos Logic, had been working closely with the US authorities to help them investigate the WannaCry malware. Hutchins handed over information on the kill switch to the FBI the day after he discovered it, and the chief executive of the firm, Salim Neino, testified in from of the US House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space & Technology the following month.' << golden idjits
asciilifeform: see also last para
asciilifeform: apparently d00d broke quickly in the cokemachine.
trinque: not that I've looked into wtf "bitcoin crash" transactions look like, distinct from trb transactions, but that'd perhaps explain it.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'd think their blocks would be rejected in the intake hopper, for being 2MB ?
asciilifeform: or not ?
trinque: thought shinohai or someone'd said they'd yet failed to mine a block larger than 1mb
shinohai: trinque: I did, twas first few hours after their "fork" ... afaik still no actual > 1 mb block mined.
shinohai: I'd be surprised if anyone does, considering diff retarget will take a few months to make it have 10 min blox
shinohai: Enjoy your starblox fuckers
mircea_popescu: trinque in principle it shouldn't have anything to do with your node, all that jazz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as best i can see for the past coupla hours bcc hash is actually 0.
trinque: nah caught up meanwhile all that noise.
trinque: just found it amusing
shinohai: 99% of all reporting nodes seem to still be the Amazon sybils from before.
shinohai: (Until Roger/ViaBTC budget runs out I guess)
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform recently and for the THIRD time tried to get http://www.clifford.at/icestorm going . has the iron ready, etc. BUT the only prog utils are in a) python3 b ) haskell
asciilifeform: and the compiler requires clang
asciilifeform: 'Никита Сергеевич молчит пару минут, затем громко, с ненавистью говорит: "Говно!" Подумав, добавляет: "Пидарасы!"' (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: to add insult to injury, even BROWSING shithub ( where all of the 'open' ice40 projects live ) no longer works on any of my graphical wwwtrons
asciilifeform: ( kept around specifically for such work ! )
asciilifeform: 'your browser is no longer supported', buttons do nothing, etc.
asciilifeform finally found 'iceprog', a c proggy, that r/w built turds to the chip. but so far is all.
asciilifeform: 'This syntax was added to bison on bison 2.6+ so either install later bison / just delete those lines locally' 'What @OrDavidi said. Those two statements only improve the quality of parser error messaged. You can safely remove them.'
mod6: <+asciilifeform> 'your browser is no longer supported', buttons do nothing, etc. << shit is evil.
mod6: cocksuckers, if i can't use it with lynx, do not want to use it.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, chorus of current and former microshit monkeys in #bolix defends winblows.
asciilifeform losing interest in subj very rapidly
mod6: "it's not its fault it's retarded" line of thinking ?
shinohai: "From this date, you must hereby allow your webrowser of choice spew irrelevant ads and any other form of js eyesore that is dictated by the creators of this site."
mod6: perhaps just m$ disease has permeated the brain barrier huh
mod6: shinohai: indeed.
asciilifeform: mod6, shinohai , etc, rest of l1, if anybody gives a damn, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eKmmX/?raw=true .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, phf , trinque , all.
asciilifeform: entomological interest strictly.
shinohai: It appears to naked eye to be script-kiddie paradise
mod6: asciilifeform: werd, thx for forwarding
mod6: heh shinohai, straight outta dalnet
mod6: lol, good stuff (tm)
shinohai enjoys ascii art in moderation, when it is worthy to be attached to something
shinohai: I went in that chan and spammed tit art, befitting my station
mod6: ah, did they enjoy?
shinohai: I didn't get kb so I take it they at least tolerated.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/60F800131278C492197B3CD4D2CBB649F9FB1546F30CAFFEF1748EC2BC779747 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5B7435DED25831DC3124683E4E026958F97627DEF877176C739F0713DA58A8F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host-19-254-28-31.sevstar.net. UA 40)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAE0707E17D6FC42F61F64831A1D0579383302AD965D59BC4A2C82CD7020B595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/60F800131278C492197B3CD4D2CBB649F9FB1546F30CAFFEF1748EC2BC779747 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1398...7003 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
mod6: nice new trilema pic
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 23:02 asciilifeform: to add insult to injury, even BROWSING shithub ( where all of the 'open' ice40 projects live ) no longer works on any of my graphical wwwtrons
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 00:07 asciilifeform: in other lulz, chorus of current and former microshit monkeys in #bolix defends winblows.
trinque: asciilifeform: aw, lol. they're going to call the HR department on you now.
mircea_popescu: https://news.bitcoin.com/despite-naysayers-the-bitcoin-cash-blockchain-chugs-forward/ << topish keks
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back on planet earth : the bitcoin crash difficulty implies a per-scamtoken cost of about 1/4 btc, and the price is about 1/10btc. the remainder comes straight out of the would-be miner's pocket. now tell me again all that jazz about how "miners decide" and whatnot bullshit idiots were spewing theoretically in theory.
mircea_popescu: in further lulz : the scamchain is ~300 blocks behind bitcoin. here's a summary : 478610 1 hour ago 443.02Kb ; 478609 1 hour ago 141.72Kb ; 478608 2 hours ago 291.50Kb ; 478607 2 hours ago 584.60Kb ; 478606 3 hours ago 174.71Kb ; 478605 554.37Kb ; 478604 3 hours ago 771.29Kb ; 478603 4 hours ago 355.16Kb ; 478602 4 hours ago 158.57Kb ; 478601 4 hours ago 424.27Kb
mircea_popescu: ~340 kb average (over 10 blocks). considering this 10 represents 1/5 or so of the bitcoin chain, so basically they're about 15 times LESS transaction intensive than bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: in other words, bitcoin cash is exactly equal to a proposition of reducing bitcoin blocks from 1mb to 60kb.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of "what the people need", as demonstrated by the people themselves, bitcoin blocks of 64kb would be perfectly sufficient./
asciilifeform: trinque: lol! let's also call obummer
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform built 'icestorm', 'arachne-pnr', with plain gcc 4.9 ( the only concession to idiocy on the test machine was python3 ) . and even MOST of 'yosys' ( the last step in the ice40 open sores fpga toolchain ) built. in fact, whole thing built, but linker barfs
asciilifeform: tcl , as i understand, caught the plague many years ago. this must be the 7th or 8th popular proggy that none of asciilifeform's boxes will build, purely on account of tcl rot.
asciilifeform: 'yosys' is that chain's verilog synth; the whole shebang is quite dead in the water without it.
asciilifeform: or perhaps not : could simply lay out the thing by hand...
asciilifeform: just fill. up. each. lut. by. hand...
asciilifeform: probably doomed to do this in the end regardless.
mircea_popescu: well, to quote that dood, "at least it's cheaper than at any point in history ; and faster than at any point of history"
mircea_popescu: amusingly, same could be said of faxed car.
mircea_popescu: "doesn't work, but cheap!"
asciilifeform: spreading -- worx!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you mean tcl, america's fastest-growing tv brand ?
asciilifeform: ousterhout's thing
mircea_popescu: reseau de transports en commun lyonnais ?
asciilifeform: all of them!11
mircea_popescu: "TCL's flat screens and curved screens are the perfect combination of elegance and high-tech performance (HD/4K televisions, Android televisions)."
mircea_popescu: o nm i found it.
mircea_popescu: https://www.tcl.edu/ <h4>TCL Program of the Week</h4> <p>The opportunities are virtually endless. Get the high-tech, in-demand skills you need for a computer career that can go just about anywhere.<br />
mircea_popescu: items which go to unspecified locations are eminently the tools of the engineer. it's the doctor of divinity that should expect very strictly confined results. engineering is more of an airy, take-things-as-they-come line of work.
mircea_popescu: "who knows where this car will take us, johnny!" "not me. i'm driving it."
asciilifeform: african engineering.
mircea_popescu: !~ssh 184.108.40.206
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "ssh" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: !$ssh 220.127.116.11
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-life-and-times-of-fna/ << Trilema - The life and times of Fna
mircea_popescu: !$ssh 18.104.22.168
mircea_popescu: !$ssh 22.214.171.124
mircea_popescu: really, consumer items all of them ?
asciilifeform: or winturd
mircea_popescu: at first seemed like has immense pool of ips, but in fact only a half dozen or so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of these traces to hetzner, comsumer in gauteng, johannesburg, sa ; the other is softlayer
asciilifeform: likewise even in spamindergarten they teach to pipe liquishit from 1 ip, host own front door on other.
mircea_popescu: oddly enough it doesn't seem to actually try to spam or anything. and too little name variation for a lost soul looking for its cc.
asciilifeform: hey Framedragger , think we can !$ssh by range?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bugger lurks in a dozen+ chans
asciilifeform: ( and that's merely the ones publicly logged )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does the same join/part in eulora for instance, says nothing and that's unmoded.
asciilifeform: it doesn't talk, no.
asciilifeform: just listens.
mircea_popescu: nor stay logged long.
mircea_popescu: possibly trying to get nick list i guess.
asciilifeform: draws, i suppose, on the output end, fancy wall chart of terrorist connectionz in the ministry of lulz break room.
mircea_popescu: also, funny item re hetzner : back in 2014, there was a large demonstration in novosibirsk in favour of you know, russia losing siberia. the russian govt pressured everyone to not discuss the matter, including bbc. the ukrainians at the time didn't feel inclined to comply, so hetzner took glavcom.ua and others offline, because hey, unlicensed republic.
asciilifeform: ' this man hangs in #trilema , #perl , #crustaceans, we must arrest immediately before the irreparable happens '
asciilifeform: where do i attend the demonstration in favour of usa losing alaska ?
mircea_popescu: iirc we were trying to.
mircea_popescu: lemme fish out teh log link
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ?
asciilifeform: oregon aha
mircea_popescu: can't seem to find it, but im pretty sure it was a thing.
mircea_popescu: aha, so. ~same idea.
asciilifeform: it was
asciilifeform: i must've missed.
mircea_popescu: once usg.whatever loses ability to enforce its diktats in oregon wilderness, alaska is ~independent.
asciilifeform: wilderness is 1 thing, gazpromistan is other
mircea_popescu: ah, independence doesn't discuss that. what, iraq's been "independent" forever, still gazpromistan.
asciilifeform: phun phakt, not long ago asciilifeform toured 'iraq embassy' ( there's an 'embassy expo' each yr in dc ). it was quite clear that the place isn't actually used in the daily sense
asciilifeform: hastily piled ???s, and amidst them various office crud (printers, etc) suggestive of dust gathered since clinton era.
asciilifeform: very spiffy architecture, stately oak furniture, mosaics. but -- no sign of habitation.
a111: Logged on 2014-03-15 15:10 mircea_popescu: "For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iraq embassy in kabul got raped tho.
mircea_popescu: apparently they lost 3-4 dozen people to gunfire (from 3 militants) and can't hire replacements.
mircea_popescu: not to mention item being accross from like a school and catty corner from where the rich afghani aspie class whores went to get their nails and perms done, the afghani aspie class is pretty scared.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> tbh i very much like the danielpbarron write-up style of "this is how to do x ; if you're lazy i'll do it for you costs this much". << Second
mircea_popescu: which is understandable, swedish woman living in a country where the last erection hapepned cca 1962 has a very cerebral, anxiotic fear of rape. whereas younger daughter of rape tribe that was bought by us desk flier's illegitimate local son to be "civilised" housewife has a very lived-experience fear of same item.
mircea_popescu: "any day now, is declares kabul califate and we'll go play the fecundity goddess priestesses, chained to a granite pillar downtown".
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-02 22:45 mircea_popescu: hey, actual lisp machine
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron re " I'm not looking forward to learning how to get data out of a mysql database located on the hard drive of a system that doesn't boot anymore." : generally you can find mysql's data files in /var/lib/mysql/[database_name]. there's going to be in that dir a .myi and a .myd for each table in your db. if you simply create the old db in the new place and copy them over it'll prolly work. if not, you'll have to co
mircea_popescu: nvert them to sql format (iirc mysqldump works for this)
mircea_popescu: if they're not there, any historical trace of a ps -eo cmd,args | grep "mysql" (or the same command run on a similar system) will provide a -datadir= string.
mircea_popescu: common variations include /var/db/mysql, /usr/local/mysql/data and so on. just grepping your fs for say .MYI will likely yield, at that.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeh hopefully dood makes his way here this weekend and we can sort all this out.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2784.0, vol: 8012.75235339 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2786.4, vol: 17057.22771993 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2818.675511, vol: 12656.68410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2792.054, vol: 5764.81155315 | Volume-weighted last average: 2796.09993726
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 478938 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 869 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 15 hours, 53 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
ben_vulpes: in other holyshit do i live in drmistan: "call every single person i know to see if i can borrow one (locking lug nut removal tool), and the universal response is 'lol it's not legal for us to sell you one, much less lend them out'"
BingoBoingo: Oh, noes, the tools police might find out /s
ben_vulpes: i'll lose my ase accreditation
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wassat?
ben_vulpes: gotta adhere to these unexamined moral systems
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: holds tires to certain kinds of rims afaict
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: might know more
ben_vulpes: all i know is that hardware drm has arrived at the fucking wheels
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Drm's about the "lock"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: is this the old gimmick where 1 nut is misshapen , and comes with magical wrench ?
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2789.77, vol: 7959.95187006 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2786.8, vol: 16970.99817164 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2820.7616, vol: 12654.14590000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2791.699, vol: 5778.99124389 | Volume-weighted last average: 2797.90844037
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA!
asciilifeform: i think i have one of these ...
ben_vulpes: poor guy's nuts were inset into the rim
BingoBoingo: Angle grinder
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, how is it not legal to buy a fucking tool ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how misshapen can it be ? french wrench or the insider tension thing will get it whatever it is wut.
asciilifeform: convex curvy slippery thing
mircea_popescu realises bmw actually came with special wheel wrench in the trunk.
asciilifeform: prolly same thing as mine
asciilifeform: and dollars to doughnuts buyable for a buck
asciilifeform: on shitbay etc
mircea_popescu: not here, see. item was import, made for sale in eu. consequently cr folk don't have thge keys, resulting in a very panicked mecanic.
mircea_popescu: "dude it's in the trunk" "oh!"
asciilifeform: i have nfi why even have this caltrop, who the fuck steals wheels, outside of shitafrica
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, nobody wanted to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690125 ?! i am amazed!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-26 23:54 mircea_popescu: oh oh, and guess the name of my car mechanic ?
mircea_popescu: ha! no.
mircea_popescu: BISMARCK. bismarck rojas.
mircea_popescu: i fell over.
asciilifeform: give'im a pickelhaub for his bday
mircea_popescu: preferably a dented one.
BingoBoingo: Dented with bmw wheel wrench, so he has the impression to clone
mircea_popescu: or anglo round, either way.
asciilifeform: fwiw i bought tires not long ago, and they had to ask for the magic adapter. apparently not kept in shop as a routine item.
mircea_popescu: so perhaps not a buck.
asciilifeform: ( or pretend to not keep )
mircea_popescu: anyway, i have nfi what all this is about. pick up hand cutter, make a straight cut in the item, remove with plain screwdriver.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point, same as lock in doors, is to take longer and moar sweat.
asciilifeform: in whatever shitafrica people steal wheels in.
mircea_popescu: discourage orcs. i see it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-15#560677 <<< remember back when 3d printing was THE tech ?
a111: Logged on 2014-03-15 00:01 cads: hmm, I need a near effect sensor that can give me a reading of 3d printing surface quality.
asciilifeform: what would have been wrong with phonograph head ?
asciilifeform: for d00d's application
asciilifeform: instant solve.
mircea_popescu: contact, i expect
mircea_popescu: anyway, polarised light correct solution i imagine.