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asciilifeform: alice_: consider registering your pgp pubkey with deedbot.
asciilifeform: alice_: then you will have voice (unless you bore folks to tears or piss them off.)
trinque: !!help
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am sorry for playing with the food.
alice_: !!register alice
deedbot: Import failed for alice.
asciilifeform: alice_: you register a pgp pubkey fingerprint.
alice_: so if i have
alice_: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.55 Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto xsFNBFevnesBEAC90aLfcq+wrWVKGcQWUd+NmB/0kK7OONd0Tg2OUgfHE2RtZSzG mqgsiAmyPsz+R6B3VwkMd3pBiuAZ8IN/jf0px+iikmo0vvWemsnVTUM0mtyoFecy /qyj1+mwjLrzR7UMDP8789JBwxecY+1fS6k4BQio3gGvmqzGr76sAjTZlIbkPs80 Nr502+QhvfOSjnjFTfQkXrzjrssjJp+jEH0OdkC/UT7H0lCWy957UPklwXlEPnu/ KQbcDoV2HWSEG0hW3Ig7+4qC03Bp0W9Z9lRTYZVIbTnDLJ+z4/J1fMu1EnmZkEKQ aH0SCtgI
alice_: etc
trinque: ahahaha
trinque: jesus christ
asciilifeform: the longfp.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-04 21:02 Nivir: $register 4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA
trinque: prefix changed to !!
asciilifeform: lol keybase.
asciilifeform: $s keybase
a111: 163 results for "keybase", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=keybase
asciilifeform: alice_: why did you give your private key to a buncha strangers ?
alice_: i don't know what a longfp is
asciilifeform: it looks like, e.g., 4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA.
trinque: !~step5
jhvh1: 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
trinque: damned useful, this.
alice_: because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything?
alice_: assholes
asciilifeform: alice_: it is not too late to learn.
alice_: also, that's not a private key
asciilifeform: alice_: if you generated it on keybase, they have your private.
alice_: sure, i wouldn't use it for anything important
alice_: i've never used a key before
BingoBoingo: <alice_> because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything? << See how it works <alice_> because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything?
trinque: There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest. << does seem that most psychological issues involve deep dishonesty.
BingoBoingo: Sure, then there's Gavin folk who can't be honest
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu alice_ log was solved with a spiritual, not a religious solution
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ahaha keybase
ben_vulpes: alice_ brings the real real
asciilifeform: 'bekas cahlo caris cekla dedna dekik emiak eseik gazok gihza girim gumlu halbo hanka henuh kadut kagzi kakki kamor kehul kisar kizak kofur kohig lopra mesat mesip mezid motka nahso nalic nirsu omiac radil ratis repgi resra rukan siral sorzo tarak tilke zalsi zehaz zekhu zeluz zephu zifin zirez zohip zokmi zonri...'
asciilifeform: i blame mr. mold.
ben_vulpes: > comely.niad
ben_vulpes: sublime? and braille?
asciilifeform: expert sex change!
ben_vulpes: what even is going on there
trinque: asciilifeform: that might be quite relevant
asciilifeform: !~google niad
jhvh1: asciilifeform: NIAD Art Center – Redefining Contemporary Art: <http://niadart.org/>; Roster Of Artists – NIAD Art Center: <http://niadart.org/artists/>; Hours + Directions + Contact – NIAD Art Center: <http://niadart.org/directions/>
ben_vulpes: naiad, sorry
ben_vulpes: !~google naiad
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: Naiad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naiad>; NAIADS (Naiades) - Fresh-Water Nymphs of Greek Mythology: <http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/Naiades.html>; Naiad Dynamics - Yacht Stabilizers Boat Stabilizers Ship Stabilizer ...: <http://www.naiad.com/>
asciilifeform: we know what is a naiad.
asciilifeform: but not a niad.
ben_vulpes: "not interested in any dick"?
ben_vulpes: niad is a mispelling of something in that scratchpad
ben_vulpes: my efforts to avoid more pastepocalypsen result in typos
asciilifeform takes off hat to trinque .
asciilifeform: 'i never used a key befoar'
ben_vulpes: aaand locked
ben_vulpes: what was that which trinque nailed?
ben_vulpes: weird!
asciilifeform: there's a ~bottomless pit in there.
ben_vulpes: yeah, being not logged into gh makes it work
ben_vulpes: encountering strange, standby one
ben_vulpes: yeah fuck that url.
ben_vulpes: and fuck weechat.
ben_vulpes: nothing to see but a pile of hurr
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 05:30 ben_vulpes: what was that which trinque nailed?
asciilifeform: 'fim' is their forum.
ben_vulpes: mhm. eventually figured it out.
ben_vulpes: huffman!
asciilifeform: the sheer ~height~ of this pile, almost approaches my hdd.
asciilifeform: and if i were to post it, i'm not certain that the reaction in readers would be very different from this case.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-03 16:55 adlai: industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous."
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/25735C9524851A27C6B6968F1E24B64A6E2D529B5BF16D96F922E1FF96FFEDF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.14.242.210 (ssh-rsa key from 68.14.242.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+68.14.242.210@mkj.lt>; '
Framedragger: !#hello
scriba: Hello, world!
Framedragger: phf: thanks for adding scriba btcbase log's list of bots btw
Framedragger: !#hello
scriba: Hello, world!
Framedragger: (sorry about log spam - i'll fork the bot into a development branch (new features and bugfix tests) which will run on a separate test channel.)
Framedragger: incidentally, how would one go about doing development across branches in V? or is that fiat fancy to be banished from all that is good? :)
Framedragger: btw ftr i want to thank punkman for recommending sopel bot (previously willie, if anyone's heard of it) as the core irc bot to be used. it's properly maintained, has clean code and good docs. https://sopel.chat/
Framedragger: i want to try trinque's bot, too, but setting up sbcl etc and making sure things are reliable will have to wait for laters
shinohai: I used a willie bot a long time ago, was rather good
Framedragger: log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160801/bogus
scriba: You need to give me a link to a specific IRC line so it can be quoted. Use either "from:line_number" or an anchor ("#line_number").
Framedragger: log.mkj.lt/trilema/20100801/#1
scriba: I do not have this date in my logs, I'm afraid.
mircea_popescu: what ever happened to punkman anyway
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 12:40 mircea_popescu: what ever happened to punkman anyway
mircea_popescu: what's that even.
mircea_popescu: btw, i'm writing a mega-piece on clinical psychiatry. so save yourself an hour this evening.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i.e. 'ideological' #b-a perma-resident.
asciilifeform allocates hour.
mircea_popescu: what's the ideology.
mircea_popescu: "we hate X guy" is politics, not ideology. gotta have an idea for to ideology.
asciilifeform: then none.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: thanks for putting words into a person's mouth, i'm sure that did great justice. you call this ideological? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2016#1453186 << i call this just being more critical and reflective
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is exactly it though.
asciilifeform: kakotronic.
Framedragger: you know, i recall shitty philosophy students dissing entire philosophical works by just calling them "platonic". can't really do justice by generalizing like that, can you now
Framedragger: (in truth, not the best of analogies)
mircea_popescu: anyone mind quoting the source material ?
Framedragger: 16-08-2016
Framedragger: ‏‎asciilifeform:pankkake: the 'can't admit being wrong' thing is quite true, and whether you can afford dealing with mptronics, is very personal matter. so i do not actually disagree, as such, with pankkake.
Framedragger: "i'm more curious re kakobrekla's motivation for withholding any of the info."
Framedragger: "the only possible explanation is that not all of it contributes to the narrative he wants to build."
Framedragger: ‏‎punkman:flimflams: "oops flushed the orderbook again", "oops mispaid dividends again", "HELLO I AM THE CEO OF BITCOIN, HERE IS THE BITCOIN EXAM, oh what do you mean btc addresses don't keep a balance?" "it's not socialized losses, it's btc cartelisation research" "you were being an asshole so I banned your mpex account"
Framedragger: quotation with right-handed text is fucked
asciilifeform: it was lulzy, kako promised 'proof that mircea_popescu is really nigerian' or similar
Framedragger: ftr i haven't made up my mind and a man is more complex than just a binary state machine
mircea_popescu: i am what ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, so what's the problem ? guy thinks he's on to something, this is the bread and butter of a life of the mind.
asciilifeform: i've tried and failed to convince the fella to write up his 'something'
Framedragger: my frustration with kako is that he doesn't think it's worth the time to write up a coherent narrative from his point of view. i'm sure it'd be useful to have it. maybe it's because it's impossible to have one in that case; maybe not; i for one don't fucking know
mircea_popescu: yeah well, these things take a while. go have einstein write up "his something" the year prior his writing it you know ?
asciilifeform: and hey, i might learn that i also was always nigerian?
mircea_popescu: this is fucking absurd, not like guy never saw me ? wtf.
mircea_popescu: is the idea here that "whatever, we've already fucked ourselves with anyone with a clue, might as well say things that'd perhaps persuade a fraction of anyone else" ? or what, is "nigerian" more of a state of mind than a state of pigmentation ?
Framedragger: totally sure it was meant with "mind". it's kinda gotten out of hand and is imho not constructive; i mean, to keep to this narrative but not put it into (coherent stream of) words
asciilifeform: as i understand, he now disbelieves in all of mircea_popescu that he had not personally seen
mircea_popescu: heh sure, anyone can be anything etc. whatevs.
mircea_popescu: to get back to it, "i am suspicious of this mp fellow" is not an ideology ; nor in itself much of a problem.
asciilifeform: the really depressing bit about kako is that he floats in a vacuum now.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's trauma, dude. he did what he earnestly believed was right at the time ; turns out to have been entirely and unmitigatedly wrong. this is catastrophic, and especially so in poorly socialized, introverted, intelligent males. now gotta reevaluate everything, the evaluations often don't come out meaningful, the correct alternatives are frequently perceived as alf-impossible, it's a mess.
asciilifeform: i suggested various constructive lines of work to him, and (mega-unsurprise) it did not help.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: don't disagree with your characterization. but i don't think the "entirely and unmitigatedly wrong" is objectively / necessarily the case. mining konspiracy, i don't know, mircea. but at this point i'm too out of the loop for the "i" to be mean anything here.
mircea_popescu: ftr : my "fuck you, you may not be poor and be here" is not (as i'm certain oft perceived, because why the fuck not, it's easier) simply mp-superby. it is a strict and absolute necessity for one's own mental health.
Framedragger: to mean*
mircea_popescu: this is BECAUSE people who are poor often lack the specific sort of sophistication that will keep them from falling in that exact hole.
asciilifeform: eh the fella is richer than , e.g., asciilifeform
Framedragger: asciilifeform: this is prolly again one of those "mind" things
mircea_popescu: i dunno what it is ; but the risk is certainly there.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as a model, i propose to you that there's no substantial difference between this and say your bizarro position re llvm yest.
mircea_popescu: not in its substance, MIND YOU
mircea_popescu: in its expression.
asciilifeform: he doesn't work for money and doesn't, as i understand, ever intend to.
mircea_popescu: i have slaves who also don't ; so has the welfare state. this doesn't makethem "richer than x". they are the 0 of poor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my position came from a substantial stint of actual study and experiment with llvm.
mircea_popescu: so yes, in this sense, it IS a "mind thing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but your expression of that position came from five minutes of being a teenage boy alone.
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:569/to:569#569 << interesting - but i agree with mircea_popescu here that it's not entirely relevant, as it's not meant in that sense. but, interesting
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [13:28:09] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is invited to write article where llvm is described eloquently ..
mircea_popescu: yeah sure, soon as apple's check clears.
asciilifeform: but i have nfi how to fit it in 1 line as other than 'elaborate work of evil, baited mousetrap.'
mircea_popescu: i'm not trying to repress you! i'm just using things.
mircea_popescu: it's not "x was wrong, bad alfie!" it's "well review how x worked and it'll offer a model for how y works"
asciilifeform: jurov: mega-disappoint! where is the vomit?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the miner conspiracy is in no way related to any of this ; however. if you recall, that disagreement as such resulted in entirely no friction.
Framedragger: oh really? interesting. but in http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/ there is that "Cost of doing business in Bitcoin : 17.94766149 BTC"
mircea_popescu: if someone shouts "down with the government" and then tries to grab a policeman's gun, he will be prosecuted ; and he will obviously claim "it's political". nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: Framedragger sure. businesses will on occasion run into unexpected costs. this is a fact of [business] life.
asciilifeform: his position was, and afaik remains, ' mircea_popescu's misconfiguted btctron blew away 17+, he should pay ' etc.
asciilifeform: *configured
mircea_popescu: and this is, as you notice, entirely divorced from that.
asciilifeform: i do not yet notice?
Framedragger: wasn't the whole point of it that kako disagreed of you attempting to charge bbet money for spending money twice (ironically, zero fee tx will be more difficult with no block size increase - which i'm against, too). that this was not in the gpg contract. so he did not sign bbet statement. and then bbet proceeded to be liquidated. you also disabled his mpex account for an unsigned comment on qntra or wherever which did not breach any clau
Framedragger: se of the gpg contract, but that's separate, too, i guess
mircea_popescu: that it's a smoothly working machinery, where escalation was tried and failed and then tried and failed and then and failed AND THEN TRIED!!! and failed does not excuse one from pretending "the last step" is "because the first step".
mircea_popescu: there bowls of "fuck me, i'm stupid" to be eaten at every juncture. perhaps of increasing size, it is true, but there nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: the anal child's "you didn't buy me my toy so it's your fault i'm a junkie" only works in the mind of the anal child.
asciilifeform: i happen to think that kako was a bloody fool for signing up for '0 asset corp'
asciilifeform: it is like that no-fat lab mouse
asciilifeform: if you forget to feed it just once...
asciilifeform: or it gets excited and runs a little too long
mircea_popescu: Framedragger not only separate, but entirely nobody's concern. i can ban anyone for any reason or for no reason and i offer no explanations. this is how, you know, your bank works, also.
asciilifeform: i did point this to him.
mircea_popescu: aaaanyway.
mircea_popescu goes back to his article.
asciilifeform goes back to his unspeakable horrors.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: absolutely. and at the same time you can understand why a bunch of people do not intend to hold any money with you ("these people have money?!" - mp laughs), because even if the "ban" is legit, it doesn't exactly inspire things.
Framedragger goes back to $job :(
trinque: are we back to opining on a man's private business decisions like it's reddit or what
Framedragger: that's a ridiculous slippery slope; street thieves also run private business enterprises in that respect, i suppose
Framedragger stops fruitless antagonising
asciilifeform: (upnp) 'There is a heap buffer overflow vulnerability in the create_url_list function in upnp/src/gena/gena_device.c. I first discovered this vulnerability when working with version 1.6.19 and have confirmed that it also exists in the latest code on the master branch.'
asciilifeform: ^ asciilifeform knew the fella reporting subj bug in meatspace
trinque: Framedragger: your mouth runs a bit, you know.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah...fuck. lol. RCE possible. good times
Framedragger: trinque: it happens
asciilifeform: this ain't the first upnpism either
asciilifeform: we burned it out of trb with hot irons, first thing, for a reason.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/bqIzy << cached copy for mircea_popescu et al.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/W1LdS << $1.3bn airdropped by bahamas in tehran. there's your inflation, folks. there too is your 'no one cancelled cash' (tm)(r)
pete_dushenski: in other news, my best tenants of all time are leaving at the end of the month. a sadness is me. i give chances of equally quiet, punctual, respectful couple 2:1 against
pete_dushenski: that alice_ was a character. much log skipping.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535808 << heh. first xtian bible, then alkie's bible, spinoza's ethics next ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 03:46 jhvh1: 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
pete_dushenski: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3800/3800-h/3800-h.htm#chap04 << having the propositions from part iv in jhvh1 's repertoire would be mega-lulzy
mircea_popescu: nothing quite like old articles i swears.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger eh, right. they'll go to coinbase instead. like before, there's a reason for that "these people have money?!" - mp laughs ; and the reason is that people who have money either do better research than this or else soon enough don't have money.
mircea_popescu: which has been, of course, a point throughout these many many years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought gena was a test suite.
mircea_popescu: ah nm, it's just an enumerator etc for "internet of things" nonsense.
pete_dushenski: "Firstly, you see ? Firstly, how you convince the girls you're a Casanova riding two stallions. Then, how you lose your virginity. In that order.
pete_dushenski: " << lelz
pete_dushenski back to researching moving co's
mircea_popescu: god damned. only on trilema ;/
trinque: getting lispy over there mp?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: (fair enough, i understand your viewpoint here)
mircea_popescu: these damned notes!
mircea_popescu: they're a buggy implementation of half of common lisp!
Framedragger: in other news, znc took more time to reconnect upon connection failure than i want it to take. gonna improve things.
trinque: Framedragger: I'll be writing up the whole deployment and hosting side of things sometime today.
trinque: and an example command service
trinque: choosing the stack I did was born of experience
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536057 << the git link was a brainmelter tho.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 13:57 pete_dushenski: that alice_ was a character. much log skipping.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 05:23 asciilifeform: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/crypto.ζ << mega-lol
asciilifeform: wrong link
asciilifeform: i can picture some nut in a jail cell, to whom they gave a computer. for 20 years. and we get this.
asciilifeform: bool fucks(i64 p) ...
trinque: brony davis
asciilifeform: davis is a respectable man !11111
asciilifeform: wrote actual os that runs on actual iron
asciilifeform: not jsolade.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 06:09 a111: Logged on 2015-12-03 16:55 adlai: industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 09:31 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/25735C9524851A27C6B6968F1E24B64A6E2D529B5BF16D96F922E1FF96FFEDF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.14.242.210 (ssh-rsa key from 68.14.242.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+68.14.242.210@mkj.lt>; '
asciilifeform: 'WELCOME TO The #1 Project Management Software for the Creative Industry Introducing Workamajig Platinum, the all-in-one solution for your creative team.'
asciilifeform: https://www.gta.com << who made his firewall thing.
asciilifeform: 'Introducing our most powerful firewall UTM appliance - the GB-2600 UTM firewall. The new firewall appliance is powered by a 3.5 Ghz Intel i3 Dual Core CPU, with 4GB of RAM, 8GB static memory storage and provides 6 fully configurable gigabit network interfaces with the option of adding multiple 10G network interfaces. Enhanced Virtual Private Networking with hardware acceleration is standard on the GB-2600.' << but apparently 29 divi
asciilifeform: des its rsa key...
asciilifeform: 'GB-OS has standard UTM features which can be augmented with subscription options that enhance the firewall capabilities. ' << can chump buy a working rng??
asciilifeform: i guess she only does bad-rng, and not absent-primality-test...
asciilifeform: or wat.
asciilifeform: (the latter box is sadly now dead)
trinque: dhcp?
asciilifeform: 68.14.242.210 is running openssh 6.6 btw.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> we burned it out of trb with hot irons, first thing, for a reason. << werd. thx.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/TnGrv -- 'For a while it looked as if the situation could escalate. A Justice Department lawyer representing the NSA demanded that Gilmore surrender his illegal copies and threatened that the NSA might send its own operatives, or FBI agents, to seize Friedman’s proofs from Gilmore. The cypherpunks were worried — especially Gilmore’s lawyer, Lee Tien. They were worried not just for their own per
asciilifeform: sonal freedom, but for the freedom of the country. At academic crypto conferences, rumors were making the rounds that the NSA had already raided the New York Public Library and reclassified documents that used to be public, and that in 1983 they had already removed Friedman’s personal correspondence from public access...'
asciilifeform: or lulzy sealandisms, 'One of HavenCo’s main investors, Avi Friedman, was worried about the Y2K problem, so he withdrew about $2 million in cash, in $100 bills, and kept the cash at home. He doled out $1,500 at a time, to make minimum payments. Lackey started using his own credit cards, spending ever more money that he didn’t have.'
asciilifeform wonders whether this actually happened
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 )
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 09:34 Framedragger: phf: thanks for adding scriba btcbase log's list of bots btw
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 13:30 Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:569/to:569#569 << interesting - but i agree with mircea_popescu here that it's not entirely relevant, as it's not meant in that sense. but, interesting
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [13:28:09] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
phf: kek
mircea_popescu: lol. phf let each bot do its own.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, i want the arrows to still work, so i explicitly ignore his for quoting
shinohai still prefers readability of phf's logs, no offense to Framedragger
mircea_popescu: well ok but you can't have each bot read each line in chat what is this.
phf: but there's a nifty way to bring down both bots, which i think i should fix asap
trinque: ehehe
asciilifeform: phf: i did think about this.
trinque: also
asciilifeform: mutually-recursive barf
mircea_popescu: if people reference your thing, let your bot read it ; if people reference his let his bot read it.
mircea_popescu: you can count references any way you please, that's an unrelated matter
phf: mircea_popescu: that's not the problem above though
mircea_popescu: oh it recursed ?
phf: a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
mircea_popescu: this is actually not bad.
asciilifeform: phf: neato
phf: unless you post a mutually recursive url (one that contains both links at the same time and references another one that contains both)
mircea_popescu: if you do that i'll ban you, how about that.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that as discussion progresses, there will be genuine references that are very long./
mircea_popescu: i think best would be if phf Framedragger and everyone ever running a log bot limits the number of lines the bot will read without interruption from human to three.
mircea_popescu: for the needs of this, however, we'd have to keep a list of bots, which is mildly obnoxious.
mircea_popescu: #trilema, at the forefront of ai research.
shinohai: All jhvh1 wants is to be sure you have a working copy of trb when X-Day comes
phf: actually looking at code i'm already using my bot list to ignore bot messages when annotating, which is not the best behavior
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [15:18:47] <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 )
phf: ftr ("assbot" "gribble" "lobbesbot" "deedbot" "a111" "a111``" "scriba" "jhvh1")
asciilifeform: what's a111`` ?
asciilifeform: and assbot dun live here, and neither, afaik, lobbesbot
phf: the list is also used to grey out messages from bots on btcbase, so it should contain all the historic bots too
mircea_popescu: lobbesbot lives in #eulora ; lobbes- did it.
mircea_popescu: but yes, we cameto a crossroad, where ai denizens are actually a significant enough portion of the republic's cohorts.
shinohai: Is tb0t not included in list?
phf: shinohai: it is now
mircea_popescu: "all ais are subject to registration. any ai found without proper registration will be destroyed."
shinohai chisels this into republic law stones
Framedragger: ah! lol. in relation to mutual recursion, scriba won't repeat same line forever, fwiw; it will switch to "..."; but mutual destruction hasn't been empirically tested, so heh.
Framedragger: i'm not sure regarding explicit list of bots for each bot for good citizenry / collaboration purposes, but as phf said his bot already does that, kinda.
Framedragger: (if same irc nick invokes same line multiple lines that line won't be repeated foreva; so there's that)
Framedragger: believe it or not bot writers (scriba just piggybacks on a general bot) think about these things, sometimes :p
Framedragger: of course a mutual recursive *chain* could maybe be constructed....
Framedragger: regarding readability, yah /me prefers phf's html too, i think :D i'll see about it after more important things are taken care of; but it's prolly good to have different designs, too.
Framedragger: and yeah cool stuff phf
Framedragger: only question right now, is this http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:698/to:700#698 a good thing - i think that it's not bad, too
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/3] [15:21:52] <mircea_popescu> oh it recursed ?
scriba: [2/3] [15:22:03] <phf> a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
scriba: [3/3] [15:22:14] <mircea_popescu> this is actually not bad.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i think it should only work in pm.
Framedragger: hmm good point, there's pm, too
mircea_popescu: or maybe i should have a way to direct it, i guess, http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:698/to:700#698 > alf then he pms that to alf.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/3] [15:21:52] <mircea_popescu> oh it recursed ?
scriba: [2/3] [15:22:03] <phf> a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
scriba: [3/3] [15:22:14] <mircea_popescu> this is actually not bad.
mircea_popescu: though honestly, i'm not sure why it's useful, other than you liking it. people routinely read around linked items.
Framedragger: makes sense to me
mircea_popescu: or at least they'd god damned better.
Framedragger: i guess it has a socialist bent to it - i thought - noobs won't read actual logs so might as well quote what's actually needed; and, it is useful for when it's just a couple of lines. but it does add to the thickness of logz.
phf: Framedragger: also i did notice that utc+3 to utc shift midday ;)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger we don't cater to stupid.
Framedragger: phf: ...yeah. i wanted to switch to utc so changed environment settings for when it next restarted and then it restarted sooner than expected. SUCH ENGINEERING :/
Framedragger: i'll have to re-do the whole dates/times thing anyway once i move to postgres, which i want to do anyway
Framedragger: it's the proper way.
Framedragger: btw this is such $s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
Framedragger: !!s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
Framedragger: and a bit of simulacra&simulation vibe, too
Framedragger: !!s s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
Framedragger: "i recall this being mentioned before" (tm)
mircea_popescu: !!search hors-texte
mircea_popescu: da fuck anymore.
Framedragger: there should be a bot which gives help about bots
phf: clippybot
Framedragger: IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BUILDING A REPUBLIC
Framedragger: Would you like help?
Framedragger: * Get help slaughtering the mafia states
Framedragger: * Proofread your declaration of independence
shinohai: !~bash 5
jhvh1: Last 5 lines bashed and pending publication
mircea_popescu: jhvh1 i mean shinohai : is there a web for your bash ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "i" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu likes to lol.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 16:31 mircea_popescu: lol! review the history. the bar in 2016 is "make a bot" ; the bar in 2014 was "get a gpg key".
shinohai: There will be soon on bit-box, got to add one more thing to make it update properly.
trinque: Framedragger: ftr I don't subscribe to the "bot checks to make sure it doesn't resend lines" party
trinque: wtf is telling it to?
trinque: fix that
trinque: pretty soon you've got a onanismd
Framedragger: trinque: you mean, it's okay for bot to keep repeating same line requested by same person in quick succession? hm maybe
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
trinque: beat the idiot
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
trinque: what, you need me to negrate you to make the point? calm down
Framedragger: i was just testing
Framedragger: trinque: ok maybe. but the restriction is an easy way of trapping some non-halting scenarions
Framedragger off for now, sorry for pollution; good day for the logs
trinque: cheers
asciilifeform: in other noose, 70.33.211.11 (yes, 1 box) has been ddosing trb nodes, in particular zoolag.
asciilifeform: 1000s of connections /sec.
asciilifeform: well, dosing.
asciilifeform: no 'd'.
shinohai: "mulit-sig sekooooority!"
asciilifeform: at one time i considered adding, e.g., rate limiter, to trb, but decided that it is not the Right Thing.
trinque echoed asciilifeform's nothing for showing up sentiment just above
asciilifeform: trinque: 'nothing for showing up' is quite physically impossible with tcp.
asciilifeform: and with nonwotronic net.
trinque: aha
asciilifeform: the correct way to - while we still must - run traditional bitcoin, is with a wotronic net having 1,001 'tendrils' into heathendom (conventional nodes).
asciilifeform: conventional in the 'trb as we now have it' sense.
asciilifeform: the kind that accepts tcp conns from all-comers.
phf: can also implement some kind of nerfing with iptables, using -m limit --limit n/s. there's also a stateful --seconds m --hitcount n
phf: !~bible matthew 22:21
jhvh1: phf: [KJV] Matthew 22:21 :: They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
asciilifeform: !~bible matthew 10:34
jhvh1: asciilifeform: [KJV] Matthew 10:34 :: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
phf: :D
asciilifeform: !~fortune
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "fortune" is not a valid command.
phf: also need shakespeare and imdb quotes database
phf: !~joke #15
jhvh1: phf: Error: "joke" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: imdb quotes ?! srsly ?!
asciilifeform would rather not
asciilifeform: phf: ip ban is also problematic in the sense that enemy can easily spoof any number of faux SYNs from, e.g., my box, to yours
phf: that was an efnet joke
asciilifeform: plaintext 'all-comers' net is not a thing long for this world.
shinohai: asciilifeform !~bible matthew 10:34 <<< this is why I said alf is a vengeful god, no better than Jehovah
phf: sort of how back in eggdrop days people would load tons of 3rd party plugins into their bot making it both unstable and exploitable. there was always some buffer overflow in !fart or somesuch
shinohai: eggdrop had a *telnet* server ffs
mircea_popescu: o hey, exactly how wordpress is intended to work!
phf: i
phf: err, my memory doesn't go further out, but i suspect eggdrop was first case of wordpress plugin ecosystem with similar implications
trinque: nah, windows was released earlier
trinque: zing!
trinque: they apparently jammed JS into eggdrop in 2002. ahead of its time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/wPpuN << in other amerilulz
trinque: anarchists protesting lenient govt sentencing, lul
asciilifeform: quite the circus.
asciilifeform: esp. considering that if you show up with so much as a slingshot in public, but for some non-usg-approved reason, you will at the very least be relieved of your valuables (incl. slingshot) by police.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/superficial-ustardian-onanism-suto/ << Trilema - Superficial UsTardian Onanism (SUTO)
hanbot: (from mircea_popescu's latest) "A: A tulpa can think independantly from its creator, can have different opinions, views, tastes, etc. from its creator, provide companionship, talk directly to anyone inside the same body (including its creator and other tulpas), control and manipulate the physical body like you, recall the memories that you have if you give them the permission and more, but basically a tulpa is a conscious mind like you and can do the
hanbot: same things like you can." desperately need moar accounts stupidity
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/M3Q7D << from fishwrap linked earlier. 'Denmark pays up to £1m for documents from anonymous source and plans to investigate up to 600 Danes who may have evaded tax.'
asciilifeform: 'Denmark has become the first country in the world to apparently buy data from the Panama Papers leak, and now plans to investigate whether 500-600 Danes who feature in the offshore archive may have evaded tax. Denmark’s tax minister, Karsten Lauritzen, said he will pay up to DKK9m (£1m) for the information, which comes from the Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca. He said an anonymous source approached the Danish government over
asciilifeform: the summer.'
asciilifeform digs in to 'suto' piece
asciilifeform: the 'tulpa' thing inescapably reminds me of zweig's 'schachnovelle'
mircea_popescu: it inescapably reminds me of the insane asylum.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: loads of folks there with various "tulpae"
asciilifeform: but in the past not so many folks wanted to enter that state voluntarily.
mircea_popescu: in the past many folks also had better options.
asciilifeform: and the 'tulpists' do not ?
asciilifeform: btw, 'alice_' (reddit) -- 'I am a tulpa created by a roughly similar process. Except in this case I took over from my creator and she died.' ( https://archive.is/AVQbD )
trinque: funny creatures
trinque: being a killer is not absent in women, though they'll deny it with fuzzy bunnies all day long
asciilifeform: killing per se is a normal and healthy thing.
trinque: ofc
asciilifeform: and there are millions now walking who ought to have drowned in tub.
asciilifeform: not mega-seekrit.
trinque: also in mp's article there; teh culture is broken
trinque: http://archive.is/VK3FS << this is too much
shinohai: I never realized such level of retardation existed.
asciilifeform: shinohai: it ~doesn't.
asciilifeform: these are folk who got bored with the usual retardation (because it is deadly boring, even to practitioners) and tried to invent 'new' types.
hanbot: heh, seems mircea_popescu and diana_coman co-own the term "pluriously", as per google
asciilifeform: e plurious unum !11111
asciilifeform: 'His attitude towards Andresen, the public, the poor and the residents of Mali is despicable. ... Because most of us likely have hosted wallets somewhere, the decision will be largely out of the general public's hands, though.' << gold. how did i miss this.
asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin's marketing is predicated on poor "third world country" people adopting it for remittances. A high transaction fee network will come across as a betrayal. It is not something the powers that be will risk.' << didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no fucking way ?!
mircea_popescu: alice reddit.
asciilifeform: it was where i found it!
mircea_popescu: these were, believe it or not, unrelated strands.
asciilifeform: it wrote to me (reddit has a pm thing)
asciilifeform: and i reflexively mailed it back phuctor 'contact' link (~all of my 'fan mail' is phuctor-related these days)
mircea_popescu: aaanyway.
mircea_popescu very much welcomes criticism / improvement / further research of teh suto.
asciilifeform: i ended up, to my woe, looking up the 'pony' thing trinque mentioned, there are ~0 actual females there btw.
asciilifeform: which is lulzy because the thing at its root is some american cartoon about (all-female!) unicorns.
asciilifeform: who were originally a plastic toy, and the maker commissioned a 'toyetic' (actual term of art) tv show to market it with.
asciilifeform: sorta how 'adventures of gummi bears' happened in 1980s.
asciilifeform: (there was a ru translation! and no one had any fucking notion that there ever existed the candy, much less that it preceded that children's cartoon.)
mircea_popescu: what pony thing ?
mircea_popescu: oh, i thought you meant ponygirls. iirc "brony" was for a while years ago a pedo rally cry.
mircea_popescu: much like habbo hotel worked a decade prior.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 03:27 trinque: afaik you identify as a pony or some shit
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 03:27 trinque: https://www.google.com/images?q=alice0meta << brony
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 05:21 asciilifeform: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/data%20science/fimscrape.ζ << guess wat, trinque had it.
mircea_popescu: no, you don't "identify as a pony". you pretend to be interested in a preteen cartoon show because a) trying to talk with preteens online and b) if you do it enough maybe it normalizes.
trinque: the cover theory makes a great deal of sense.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller because totally skinning a product is innovation now.
thestringpuller: at least its pretty
asciilifeform: ζζζζζζ!111111
mircea_popescu: remarkably enough, the don't mention the ~only bitcoin game worth the mention other than eulora, that being a tale in the desert.
mircea_popescu: aaanwyay, roger ver and friends, doomed by stupidity.
thestringpuller: well tale of the desert isn't bitcoin based. that's a knights tale by the same guy
mircea_popescu: a right right.
thestringpuller: also a tale in the desert gets REALLY boring
mircea_popescu: same engine.
thestringpuller: but it's crafting system is unprecedented.
thestringpuller: but who am i to judge "boring" the countless hours watching tv to kill time while waitng to get in an FFXI party to play for like maybe 30 minutes of combat
mircea_popescu finds magic the gathering and clones boring, for that matter.
thestringpuller: anyhow. the srs MTG crowd actually think SoG is a joke, it may pull some player, but there's no point.
shinohai: Wasn't "Spells of Genesis" another Voorhees enterprise?
thestringpuller: i think that's why it pivoted to arcade game with "card battle system"
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what i meant above. really, they skinned someone else's thing ?
asciilifeform: ftr, the ζ thing almost led me to wonder if 'alice' wasn't an educational experiment created by mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: punishment, for my sins.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had no hand in any of this!
asciilifeform: (per the 'orc symbols' and 'cheap sybils' threads!111)
mircea_popescu: and i'm still reeling from the tulpa coincidence.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: skinned someone else's thing << Just cause facebook lined up a billion idiots. And WoW poached MTG pkayers for "Hearthstone", kinda just biomass going from time waster to time waster
mircea_popescu: it is strictly possible that ~all the facebook/reddit/etc "profiles" belong to a single person.
asciilifeform: it is apparently a fad in yudkowskian 'rationalist' (yes) circles.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i actually checked out hearthstone. it's fucking boring i dunno how they 15yo manages
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: imagine you're a millennial raised on an ipad and your attention span lasts maybe 1 page of a normal novel.
mircea_popescu: how am i going to imagine that
thestringpuller: Imagine you're the ipad!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the massive stash in the git, of 'this program is written in 'vrelta', which is written in 'ukuku, resting in all its pride and glory' is not shannonized. i am satisfied that it is the multi-year product of genuine madness.
mircea_popescu: how did you achieve this satisfaction ?
thestringpuller: this imo is why the state of gaming is where it is. Games have become "babysitters", rather than quality toys.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: largely by familiarity with the process. i personally grew up doing it. and this is 3rd example i run into publicly to date (others being mr mold and terry davis.)
ben_vulpes: subject of ipad, apple is picking a fight with the 3.5mm audio jack
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: old noose.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: They trynna to patent it cause "Square" et. al?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever since koreans came out with the watertight pnoje , demonstratively shipped in a jar of water, crapple threatened same
mircea_popescu: ah this finally happened ?
asciilifeform: the korean one happened years ago
asciilifeform: but iirc it still had a jack, with a rubber stopper
asciilifeform: !!s ampoule phone
mircea_popescu: for anyone who spent childhood around kids comparing the "waterproofness" of their watches, by meter depth - esp kids who never went into water
asciilifeform: $s ampoule phone
mircea_popescu: that the same will occur to "smart" phones was expected.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: from what it sounds like they can't make money on the 3.5mm jack, so they gonna make a USB lightning adapter?!?!?
thestringpuller: "If you have a favourite pair of older earphones or headphones, you can plug them into the Lightning or USB-C jack with a little adapter. Some will have splitters so that you can charge your phone and plug in headphones simultaneously." << what the actual fuck
ben_vulpes: "why ditch analog stereo headphone jacks? well, we're still smarting from losing the firewire/usb format war, so we're going to pick a fight with a defacto industry standard."
asciilifeform: ah so no ampoule phone yet.
mircea_popescu: "older" being the keyword. what happened to you know, "better".
asciilifeform: just a 'let's make proprietary jack' thing.
asciilifeform: so 1990s.
trinque: they're gonna beam microwaves through your skull moar now
thestringpuller: I don't understand it, cause bluetooth traditionally sucks for audio fidelity
asciilifeform: bluetooth sucked from the 'pairing' thing.
thestringpuller: this is why as an audiophile, I have a vinyl player at work.
asciilifeform: (srsly, multi-second delays?!)
asciilifeform: which is why the logitech mouse proprietary-radio thing still sells so well
asciilifeform: 0 delay.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller here's a little understood bit of corporate insanity : if a dying company dies normally, it is assumed the ceo & co were idiots ; if it dies as a result of doing something large and monunemtally stupid, it is assumed the ceo & team were brave souls who caught a bad break.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you ever try watching a movie on early bluetooth headphones?
mircea_popescu: this stimulates a lot of outright insane behaviour in large companies.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: early bluetooth was ~unusable entirely.
mircea_popescu: stupidity on an epic scale not only didn't end carly fiorina's career among her own kind - but actually made her hillary's best friend
mircea_popescu: a hillary who is also known for similar approach.
thestringpuller: from all my ventures into being an audiophile at some point the analog tech produces sounds your ears can't even hear
thestringpuller: hence why flac files are like gigs large
trinque: one song flac is ~40MB
thestringpuller: trinque: sorry: meant vinyl rips of albums.
thestringpuller: Like the rip my friend did of one of my 70's Stevie Wonder albums was like ~2 gb
jurov: vinyl has its own artifacts, no?
mircea_popescu: this seems altogether a dubious proposition seeing how for all the wankery now surrounding them, vinyl records are industrial mass products ; from a time when 8kbps was a lot.
asciilifeform: what bps, analogue.
asciilifeform: snr, in db.
jurov: the studio mastering has to shoehorn the record into vinyl's deficiencies (so that the tracks don't touch etc)
mircea_popescu: yes they weren't originally digitized. if you think 1960s microphones and buzzy electronics make for a better quality...
trinque: aha, they rip them in say 24bit/96kHz so they can hear the crackles and pops in ultra high def
asciilifeform: 'audiophilia' is a psychiatric condition.
asciilifeform: we had thread.
thestringpuller: personal prefernce. i tend to like vocals on non condenser mic's cause they sound more "warm"
mircea_popescu recently found out why ~all the casters in 1920/1930s sound the fucking same.
mircea_popescu: the fucking mics!
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: i thought they're just doing that weird voice deliberately
asciilifeform: i had this mike, and a modern one, as a boy, and compared.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well some of us have to do that as adults.
asciilifeform: on 1960s-era sov. tape deck.
mircea_popescu: i just assumed it's a matter of fashion.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/sC8F2 << in other lulz, 'Ferguson, Missouri, protest leader found shot dead in burning car: police'
mircea_popescu: anyone seen that great hoffa movie ?
mircea_popescu: seems pertinent, if compressed into just a coupla years.
asciilifeform not familiar
mircea_popescu: !~google hoffa by danny devito
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Hoffa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoffa>; Hoffa (1992) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104427/>; Reel history | Hoffa : DeVito shouldn't have hassled the Hoff? | Film ...: <https://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/mar/11/jimmy-hoffa-jack-nicholson>
mircea_popescu: guy's a pretty good director/
asciilifeform: meanwhile, 'orcs want to be #trilema', https://archive.is/dHnYS
mircea_popescu: in other news, good god how can these idiots be so fucking tedious.
mircea_popescu: uh... SUTOs
mircea_popescu: why the fuck bother looking for a work. redditards, lesswrongians, you name it.
asciilifeform: still working with butterfly collection or wat.
mircea_popescu: apparently the yudkowsky fellow pod' his atrocious fanfic.
asciilifeform: eh, 'print on demand' is ultra-cheap, i once-off code and other materials to take to the beach.
asciilifeform: and so do many folks.
asciilifeform: it is literally cheaper, even in qty==1 (!) than using own printer.
mircea_popescu: esp if you want the shit bound. but even looseleaf.
asciilifeform: well yes.
asciilifeform: hm, isn't that 'harry potter' logo trademarked in usa ?
mircea_popescu: !!key <is3nn>
mircea_popescu: !!key is3nn
mircea_popescu: !!key mircea_popescu
trinque looks
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
trinque: it barfed a "no address associated with name" trying to talk to wotpaste
trinque: mircea_popescu: yes, but will now change that.
trinque: ben_vulpes: pls to sign current wotpaste IP
trinque: also this just got an error message:
trinque: !!key is3nn
deedbot: No such key.
trinque: !!key trinque
asciilifeform: in lulz elsewhere, 'The new iPhones will be more durable than any that have come before, at least when it comes to serious corruption from water and dust. The next-gen models meet the IP67 protection standard, which is good enough to briefly drop it in a pool (or, more likely, a toilet) but not good enough to shower with regularly.'
asciilifeform: the toilet thing is, iirc, an actually common failure mode.
asciilifeform: (dun ask me how.)
asciilifeform: and, best of all,
asciilifeform: 'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
asciilifeform: coming soon to a pnoje near yoo: 'ЕГГОГ: UNAUTHORIZED EAR'
asciilifeform: Closing The Analogue Hole!11111 (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: (or what, analogue jack abolished 'for no reason' ?)
thestringpuller: omg 160 bucks for a pair of headphones that will accumulate in earwax
thestringpuller: fucking shit. man.
asciilifeform: there is also the 'accessory license' thing, 'The 3.5mm jack is robust, familiar, secure, well-documented, and so on — we’ve seen the argument play out over the last year. You know why it’s good: because it works, reliably, worldwide, with millions of devices. Without Apple’s permission. See, it’s that last part that must bother them. The idea that someone, somewhere, is doing something with an iPhone that they haven’t an
asciilifeform: ticipated, like making a thermometer or payment system or 3D scanner. Someone who hasn’t paid for a license to attach that thing to their phone.' ( https://archive.is/WLf7L )
shinohai: !!key is3nn
mircea_popescu: !!key is3nn
mircea_popescu: yeah well... if only the original authors of the us had a way to prevent the current fucktards from using it in a way they hadn't anticipated.
deedbot: accepted: 1
ben_vulpes: should probably have a block number in it, eh?
ben_vulpes: anyways, trinque will that suffice for now?
mircea_popescu: it gets the block number through deeding anyway
trinque: and de-dns'd
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/black-man-shot-in-north-saint-louis-county/ << Qntra - Black Man Shot In North Saint Louis County
mircea_popescu: in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
mircea_popescu: (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
asciilifeform: yegge appears to be a thing much beloved by alice_ .
mircea_popescu: it's mildly shocking to see the whole pile of supposed lisp experts who are actually not known to have written, let alone run, any lisp.
asciilifeform: how any stranger than sexprerts who have no sex, 'chemists' who never touched glass, the lot.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's rather evident that there's a mutually-reinforcing ring of idiots. check out yegge's wikipedia article, for instance. curated with love.
asciilifeform: 'Yegge accidentally made an internal Google memo public on Google+ in October 2011. His 3,700-word comment garnered major media and blogger attention for Yegge's pointed commentary criticizing the leanings of the company's technological culture (such as labeling Google+'s minimalist and, in his view, lackluster public platform "a pathetic afterthought") as well as for his comments about his former employer, Amazon (such as calling Am
asciilifeform: azon CEO Jeff Bezos "Dread Pirate Bezos"). Google co-founder Sergey Brin stated that he would still have his job.'
mircea_popescu: you prolly recall this, iirc was in the logs.
asciilifeform: 'notable' !11111111
asciilifeform: '...some observations that I think are relevant to anyone who writes programs (start reading from “the dubious future of emacs“). It's hard to argue with the value of self-hosting. It's even harder to argue with the momentum of the browser and dynamic environments.' << gold.
BingoBoingo: !!up Lightsword
deedbot: Lightsword voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: "i lost the passphrase for the gpg key i created yesterday and i can't decrypt the msg mircea_popescu sent me...is it ok if a create another key and register with this?"
shinohai: lulz
shinohai: Rocket science
mircea_popescu: honestly, he had his shot. next.
mircea_popescu: this isn't no kids left behind club ; but on the contrary.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, "The GNU Hurd is under active development. Because of that, there is no stable version." << cca may 2016
mircea_popescu: "It's time [to] explain the meaning of "Hurd". "Hurd" stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons". And, then, "Hird" stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth". We have here, to my knowledge, the first software to be named by a pair of mutually recursive acronyms." << arguably its most notable accomplishment to date.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did i fall into a parallel universe some time recently where linus lifting the hurd userland never happened ?
asciilifeform: or wat.
mircea_popescu: what, you think that made them admit they suck ?
mircea_popescu: this is a communist government ; the only cure is grave.
asciilifeform: forget 'admit'
asciilifeform: but it was achievement
asciilifeform: rather than the acronym thing
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, t
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, torvalds is achievement of hurd ? wut ?
asciilifeform: and dead folk dun admit things
mircea_popescu: wait wait, stallman died ?
asciilifeform: torvalds lifted the userland utils
mircea_popescu: i prefer "liberated".
asciilifeform: liberated, lifted, pillaged, whichever.
asciilifeform: bsd, recall, in modern sense, was not yet a thing.
asciilifeform: it was gnu's or 'write own'.
mircea_popescu: no, actually, actually architect wanted to just adapt a bsd
mircea_popescu: but stallman wanted to wait n years for some ivy league product.
mircea_popescu: which sucked.
asciilifeform: kernel, mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: bsd userland iirc was not yet available for linuxization.
asciilifeform: (was stuck in copyrast limbo)
mircea_popescu: you meant above the bsd userland didn't exist ?
asciilifeform: existed, payware.
asciilifeform brb - meat
mircea_popescu: so it was, steal from gnu, steal from mit, write own.
mircea_popescu: they stole from the losers. logical.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the original linked lisp verbiage was funny to me mostly because it's all written from the perspective of "object oriented is god". which was very much groupthink cca 2006.
mircea_popescu: a ~certain~ groupthink, of a certain sort of people.
mircea_popescu: "At the risk of predicting future fashion trends, which is rarely a good idea, I'll venture that objects are going to continue to be trendy for at least a few more decades. So I think Lisp needs some form of "seamless" OOP." and all that.
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 428752 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 655 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 10 hours, 56 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
ben_vulpes: lisp has had seamless oop since what the seventies?
ben_vulpes: !!up alice_
deedbot: alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai pops popcorn
alice_: hi
mircea_popescu: "So XEmacs has never been a particularly good tool for serious Emacs users because even though it's written in C, it crashes like a mature C++ application." mwahahaha
BingoBoingo: re: tulpas, when I first saw the word in use I assumed based on phonetics that hamplanets were ascirbing personalities to their FUPAS
alice_: so does mircea_popescu fool around with tulpas or
shinohai snickers
BingoBoingo recently saw a transmay get winded moving from their scootypuff to a riding lawnmower to see if the small tractors would "fit"
BingoBoingo: Spoiler alert: it didn't fit
BingoBoingo: panniculus spread their legs in a seated position too far to reach the pedals
asciilifeform: hey hey ho ho lbjhasgottogo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H my inductive probes are here.
asciilifeform: and they actually work, somewhat surprisingly. at least for now. LJ12A3.
asciilifeform: sorta like miniature ww2 minesweepers.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I finally acquired a pair of needlenose pliers that don't seem to suck
asciilifeform: bring within 0.5cm or so of conductive object, and it conducts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they're all great when new.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cutting screws with them at the moment
asciilifeform: alice_: what were vrelta and ukuku ?
alice_: asciilifeform: tell me more about why you're asking. this channel is assholes, which is a communication style i'm not used to, so i'd like more details :)
alice_: i don't mind, just saying ;)
asciilifeform: alice_: think of it as a kind of boot camp.
asciilifeform: n00bz are slowly disassembled into component atoms and - on occasion - reassemble themselves into something that is interesting to have conversation with.
asciilifeform: typically happens ~6 mo. later.
alice_: this _is_ related to why you are assholes
BingoBoingo: See again
BingoBoingo: !~step2
jhvh1: 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that thing is a snore.
alice_: does mircea_popescu fool around with tulpas
asciilifeform: reminds me of the keychain i spend my first u.s. dollar on, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: But it does pull the wings off
asciilifeform: it had 8 buttons, for 8 types of bleep/bloop/etc.
asciilifeform: i traded a hefty shoebox of rubles for it.
asciilifeform: (the dollar, that is.)
asciilifeform: 'echo killer'.
BingoBoingo: SWEET!
shinohai: ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: !!up alice_
deedbot: alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: sooo alice_ iirc i was the one you were originally looking for. what do you wish to know..?
jurov: she wanted to know more about assholes
asciilifeform: alice_: mircea_popescu dedicated an entire article to you.
shinohai: Best trilema article I have read all week too
alice_: adorable
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536560 << emacs, like unix earlier, or much later - bitcoin, was a shitprototype that got stuck in battlefield use ~forever.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 23:10 mircea_popescu: "So XEmacs has never been a particularly good tool for serious Emacs users because even though it's written in C, it crashes like a mature C++ application." mwahahaha
asciilifeform: xemacs was a kind of gavinatronic clone.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536550 << java/cpp-style oop is not actually oop, but a kind of u.s. mba-endorsed mental bonsaikittenation .
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 22:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, the original linked lisp verbiage was funny to me mostly because it's all written from the perspective of "object oriented is god". which was very much groupthink cca 2006.
asciilifeform: (missing metaobject protocol - no introspection; lack of even such a basic thing as the mix-in)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536555 << 'flavours', as seen in zetalisp. released circa '79 iirc.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 22:45 ben_vulpes: lisp has had seamless oop since what the seventies?
asciilifeform: various larval forms thereof - prior.
asciilifeform: was slow to catch on, because if your language isn't braindamaged, the ~actual~ domain for oopism is quite small.
alice_: asciilifeform: you make up bs insults because {you find it entertaining} and {boot camp narrative} ?
asciilifeform: (largely limited to extremely large system with numerous ~independently functioning modules)
alice_: (not judging, i don't mind)
asciilifeform: alice_: do you know expression 'в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят' ?
asciilifeform: i recommend to look it up
asciilifeform: alice_: presumably you are here because you heard that there were interesting folk around, and wished to learn something.
asciilifeform: this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers.
asciilifeform: there are people who do not like this. the exit hatch is to your left, pull the red lever.
alice_: nice, sounds very respectable
alice_: i'm glad you're happy with your life :)
asciilifeform: this here place is full of merry merry folk.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers. << Unless your university is new Social Justice Mizzou that wants to tear down the original Thomas Jefferson grave marker,
asciilifeform: !!up nacci
deedbot: nacci voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: !~translate ru to en в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят
jhvh1: shinohai: in a strange monastery with its regulations do not go
asciilifeform: meh jhvh1
trinque: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: alice_: what is your ethnicity / where are you from?
asciilifeform: shinohai: approx. 'do not try to slip in with your own set of vows into another's monastery'
asciilifeform: somebody oughta buy that fella a new set of pistons for his modem.
trinque: lol
trinque: somewhere a pull-starter clacks
asciilifeform: or was it carburetor.
alice_: i'm p sure there aren't interesting folk around tho
BingoBoingo: Prolly all the ethanol varnished his carbuerator
alice_: i am still entertained by your antics
mircea_popescu: still with this ?
mircea_popescu: !!down alice_
asciilifeform: popped by ze snr police!1111
mircea_popescu: long past its use-by date.
shinohai: Now how will we ever know if mircea_popescu fools around with tulpas
asciilifeform: eh i was hopin' to learn who sent it.
asciilifeform: and we were short a decimation
mircea_popescu: you can probably intuit.
asciilifeform: what i can't readily apprehend is wtf do they bother.
mircea_popescu: if i for some reason decide to review this movie, there goes about 60% of all the google juice and thus existence of the whole anglotard appropriation effort.
hanbot: but on night! hahaha
mircea_popescu: butt on!
asciilifeform: what even.
asciilifeform: 'Lisa Boeri is a successful businesswoman obsessed with her career - on day. But on night, she is visiting private nightclub Tulpa, club where your sickest, most erotic fantasies come true.'
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9BsSX << in other lulz. 'A classified U.S. document, dated from 2005, cautioned spy agency employees against revealing the truth. “It is important to know the established cover story for MHS [Menwith Hill Station] and to protect the fact that MHS is an intelligence collection facility,” the document stated. “Any reference to satellites being operated or any connection to intelligence gathering is strictly pro
asciilifeform: hibited.”'
asciilifeform: 'The NSA’s documents describe GHOSTHUNTER as a means “to locate targets when they log onto the internet.” It was first developed in 2006 as “the only capability of its kind” and it enabled “a significant number of capture-kill operations” against alleged terrorists. '
mircea_popescu: what exactly is "log onto the internet" supposed to fucking mean ? aol ?
asciilifeform: https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/07/ghosthunter3.jpg << herr orlol will love the 'rocket up the sat dish' aspect of this lultron.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is referring to sat dish, the camel fucker's aol.
mircea_popescu: a significant number of three ?
asciilifeform: handy, apparently, target beacon.
asciilifeform: 'If the U.K. government knows that it is transferring data that may be used for drone strikes against non-combatants … that transfer is probably unlawful,” Stratford told the members of Parliament. “An individual involved in passing that information is likely to be an accessory to murder.' << l0l!
asciilifeform falls down.
mircea_popescu: it's true.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 00:44 mircea_popescu: a government can never be solvent ; a government can never operate legally.
mircea_popescu: yes. but any individual thinking himself protected because "government told me so" will still hand.
mircea_popescu: as per the von flondor doctrine.
asciilifeform: hasn't happened once since, idk, the assyrians? but there is always a first.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what trump is gonna do ; maybe he hangs everyone ever involved with the democratic party. maybe he doesn't. if i end up in power however - i do.
mircea_popescu: same for airstrip one, same for everywhere.
mircea_popescu: were you part of "modern democracy" ? you're crow food.
asciilifeform: i still read him as an english-speaking zhirinovsky.
mircea_popescu: possibru
asciilifeform: y'know, the fella kpss hired to run 'opposition'
asciilifeform: if he weren't, would at least be recruiting a brownshirt legion by now, imho.
mircea_popescu: maybe he is. hard to tell.
asciilifeform: to make sure election goes in correct direction.
asciilifeform: eh not as if asciilifeform would be the ~first~ to know if brownshirt legion were recruiting, but likes to think he would not be the ~last~
mircea_popescu: and why not ? the way these things work, "everyone knew" what the sa was up to. except, of course, for everyone, from pappen down.
asciilifeform: its existence was not mega-seekrit tho.
mircea_popescu: nra's existence is not mega seekrit, among numerous other such things. much like sa's existence was not secret, but also not relevant. the commies had bigger and for that reason supposedly better paramilitaries.
mircea_popescu: notoriously hard to ferret out, these things.
mircea_popescu: note that many people drove over to defend weirdo cattle farmer.
mircea_popescu: if trump goes on tv ? yeah they'll come over.
asciilifeform: iirc farmer is doin' hard time now
mircea_popescu: how many ? 10k ? 100 ? 1mn ? only one way to find out.
mircea_popescu: all he has to do is the traditional 1936 "march in defense of values" bla bla.\
asciilifeform: if bbet were still a thing i'd put a few coin on 'not only mr. t loses, but slobodans and takes 'wrong' blood pressure pill soon after.'
mircea_popescu: honestly i give it even odds the whole affair ends up with hillary behind bars.
mircea_popescu: she's ~ in the position of argentina's ex-chief-whore.
shinohai: !!key nacci
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:1059/to:1172#1059 << me looks through list, discovers in appalment he hasn't even written that much this week.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/5] [21:05:39] <trinque> and de-dns'd
scriba: [2/5] [21:15:44] <deedbot> http://deedbot.org/bundle-428745.txt
scriba: [3/5] [21:28:45] <deedbot> http://qntra.net/2016/09/black-man-shot-in-north-saint-louis-county/ << Qntra - Black Man Shot In North Saint Louis County
scriba: [4/5] [21:31:35] <mircea_popescu> in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
scriba: [5/5] [21:35:35] <mircea_popescu> (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
mircea_popescu: now ima have to police my urls o.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1172 << me looks through list, discovers in appalment he hasn't even written that much this week.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [23:41:19] <shinohai> Best trilema article I have read all week too
mircea_popescu: there we go
BingoBoingo: seriously, Mo Bots Mo Bottoms
shinohai: Well, I sometimes go back and read older articles, I should have clarified.
mircea_popescu: back when i was younger i wrote twenty articles a week!
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1059 << don't take your tropar to another monastery.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [21:05:39] <trinque> and de-dns'd
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1200 << don't take your tropar to another monastery.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [23:55:32] <jhvh1> shinohai: in a strange monastery with its regulations do not go
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1kUf
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
shinohai: Also fixed Qntra bot on twitter until next time it breaks
BingoBoingo: !~ty shinohai
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/the-presiglassial-ceiling/ << Qntra - The Presiglassial Ceiling
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/past-dropbox-use-casts-spectre/ << Qntra - Past Dropbox Use Casts Spectre
thestringpuller: so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
asciilifeform: about what, megablox ?
thestringpuller: no. "THE INTERNET OF MONEY"
thestringpuller: a collection of his "talks" which really suck
thestringpuller: GIGASNORE. But dunno why people keep buying his book.
asciilifeform: 'people'
asciilifeform: 'buying'
thestringpuller: nah. this book was launched as part of a "touring strategy" because 5 wheel solutions can't get any actual work
thestringpuller: like when Rick James decided to go on tour and play his oldies when he ran out of money to buy cocaine
mircea_popescu: o hey it made it ?!
asciilifeform: http://lesswrong.com/user/alicey/overview << in other noose, our njoo phriend.
asciilifeform: 'afaict the quirrell tulpa is one of the more common types of tulpas. if you have one, do not use it. it is secretly voldemort and will destroy your soul.'
mircea_popescu: the what ?
asciilifeform: i do not have sufficient lsd to say what.
mircea_popescu: you mentioned it!
asciilifeform: it came out of the pipe, what.
asciilifeform: presented here for vivisectionist interest strictly.
asciilifeform: 'Hi! I live in a rationalist house in Berkeley. It sounds really cringey and not really rationalist.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:82/to:82#82 << is this the one with the ethereum derpage or another one ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:02:17] <thestringpuller> so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
mircea_popescu: wait, "rationalist" derps pivoting towards cult ?
asciilifeform: it was a stereotypical cult eons ago.
asciilifeform: today a red dwarf cult, or whatever one calls those.
asciilifeform: y'know, when the comet just keeps not comin'.
asciilifeform: 'I am a mealsquares-mostly eating person though! Because mealsquares are wonderful.'
asciilifeform: this has got to be a gag.
asciilifeform: ' I am in berkeley and learning these math things.'
asciilifeform: 'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu what ~IS~ that? syphilis ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i do not have sufficient lsd to say what. << Go to any big box garden center. Search the housplants for a big ole San Pedro cactus, they will have at least one. Eat the whole thing.
BingoBoingo: Excepting thorns
asciilifeform: i'll pass on the vomitronic kthx
BingoBoingo: Nah, that's ahayusca
thestringpuller: ^- true story
asciilifeform: 'BrienneYudkowsky I sometimes let imaginary versions of myself make decisions for me. ...'
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: he could also go to cow pasture and look for mushrooms.
asciilifeform checks dosimeter, finds that it is maxed out.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, the grow on shit prolly tast like shit.
asciilifeform: https://qntm.org/personas << holy shit, this contagion's been spreadin', seem like.
asciilifeform: 'Personas: imaginary friends for software developers'
asciilifeform: 'our modern society is just memetically uncomfortable with this idea for stupid reasons, not unlike the reasons they're uncomfortable with transpeople ' << didjaknow!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Remember these folks are just that loath to admit that they, themselves are broken and suck.
asciilifeform: and now!
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's fine kunstkammer presents...:
BingoBoingo: ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: yw BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: I was not surprised twas a white gurl
asciilifeform: gurl with adam's apple.
asciilifeform: ( i hear they get'em belt-sanded off now-adays, but not on a javascript wage. )
asciilifeform: whatever happed to our last one of these
jhvh1: asciilifeform: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
asciilifeform: !~seen brendafdez
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen brendafdez.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well sometimes transmission lacks will and wheels?
asciilifeform: memetically uncomfortable !111111
asciilifeform: http://www.mealsquares.com << turns out - they do exist.
shinohai: Maybe she can !~tits ?
asciilifeform: and if i stick around in this godforsaken shitland long enough, i'll probably find out what they taste like.
asciilifeform: the 'mealsquares,' that is.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i dun think synthetic tits happen on a javascript wage.
asciilifeform: but i could be wrong.
asciilifeform: Progress!111
asciilifeform: 'MealSquares let you eat a balanced variety of whole foods without having to study nutrition, carefully plan meals, or go grocery shopping. Learn what's in a square, read our FAQ, or become a beta tester.'
shinohai wouldn't be surprised if this thing has fix-a-flat titjob
asciilifeform: do i even want to know what that is
asciilifeform: '​ENJOY A 25-HOUR DAY​​'
asciilifeform: dry catfood for peeeeeple
asciilifeform: it is finally here.
BingoBoingo: Why wouldn't you want to know how polyurethane foam is being abused
asciilifeform: 'More protein per calorie than a Big Mac, less sugar than a banana. The energy bar has grown up.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but is it memetically comfortable!
asciilifeform: are they serving 'mealsquares' to soldiers yet ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It could be supremely memetically comfortable. Many folks now prophylactically get their lawn tractor tires filled with fix-o-flat!
asciilifeform: or afraid they'll frag ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#111 << sounds like a well trained slave.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:31:24] <asciilifeform> 'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
mircea_popescu: and no, looks like ordinary ginger.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#132 << i'm very fucking surprised, sounded just like a derpy dude.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:57:58] <BingoBoingo> I was not surprised twas a white gurl
mircea_popescu: o wait. it... IS. heh. mmmkay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#147 << they periodically get REAL EXCITED about stupid shit like this, dogfood - for people. there was some other nonsense selling it by the bushel bag, dun recall wtf it was called
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [02:10:01] <asciilifeform> the 'mealsquares,' that is.
mircea_popescu: kept pushing it on geek social media
mircea_popescu: "complete meal" bla bla.
asciilifeform: i can see it used on prisoners in political solitary, or some other helpless saps
asciilifeform: but voluntarily??
mircea_popescu: but the man-whores ARE prisoners in political solitary.
mircea_popescu: sorry i meant to say "computer programmers" not man-whores.
mircea_popescu: Anna told me when she first became the executive director of CFAR, she suddenly had many more decisions to deal with per day than ever before. "Should we hire this person?" "Should I go buy more coffee for the coffee machine, or wait for someone else deal with it ?"
mircea_popescu: aww the decisions of women in management.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Sl7qwnKO4 << wtf is with all the dude-looking "chicks" in "rationalism" anyway ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. that's a slave collar on her yes ?
asciilifeform: what do you ~think~.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what kind of collar, will defer to the specialist
mircea_popescu: looks homemade, so who the fuck can tell. maybe it's the dreamcather anti-quisling device or w/e it's called.
asciilifeform: anti-quisling device << win
asciilifeform falls over.
mircea_popescu: what was it ?
asciilifeform: 'the magic bracelet of future-self delegation'
mircea_popescu: nono, there's this ~satan rendition, the archenemy
asciilifeform: roko's basilisk ?
asciilifeform: (i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self')
asciilifeform: i disagree that they are wholly a snore. rather, valuable entomological specimens. they rode the libertard train to its logical final stop. e.g., EMULATED people are posited to exist, in the future projecting (yes) into the past which 'created' them, and have 'rights.'
asciilifeform: just like the regular kind.
mircea_popescu: "No. I am asking: Where do rationalists come from? How do we acquire our powers?"
mircea_popescu: i find it funny how they always fail on the most basic of questions. "who are you ?" "powers ? what powers ?" etc.
asciilifeform: the power of mealsquare-gettin'
asciilifeform: if the 'rationalist' folk did not exist, they would need to be created...
mircea_popescu: it is mildly entertaining.
mircea_popescu: currently appears as "coven of women wanted to be slaves - as women often do ; ended up stuck with a bunch of beta dorks, because whereby to get a master! did the best possible under circumstances, which is... at best pretty fucking weird."
asciilifeform: dunno that more than ~handful of biological womenz are involved in any of this.
mircea_popescu: i mean what the chick describes, "you dumb slut, when your master tells you to go the fuck outside you go the fuck outside, what arguments" is very basic slavegirl experience. the cruft she builts all around it though...
mircea_popescu: what "imagine future self" for crying out loud. how about imagine your future butt. with welts and all.
asciilifeform: none of these folk are getting arse welts any more than they'll be dragged on a rope under dirigible.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the PLACE WHERE THEY'D GO is manifestly there.
mircea_popescu: much like kid in soviet lands, with a catalogue for to apply stamps for a prize. there's the spaces clearly delineated ; and no stamps. ever.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. i imagine in typical style of the poor peasant girl, they tell themselves the reason they don't get to go to the seaside is because they're better than that.
asciilifeform: BIG BUGZ
asciilifeform: or what was it
asciilifeform: gargauni ?
mircea_popescu: that, yeah.
mircea_popescu: nah , those are different bugs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re "handful of biological women" : there was at no point in the history of porn that i;m aware of, a differential lower than three degrees of magnitude between the chick count and the dork count.
mircea_popescu: so.. handful of girlz, yes, and a bunch of dorks, yes. numbers check out.
asciilifeform: about same % as in, e.g., mining camp ?
asciilifeform: or whatever other meatgrinder-for-supernumerary-males-with-chix-audience
mircea_popescu: see, the delusion of choice adds like two to twelve zeroes.
mircea_popescu: miners wanted at least a whif of the pussy.
mircea_popescu: dorks are happy with squarefucks.
asciilifeform: squarehappy.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't happies be round ?
asciilifeform: not these.
asciilifeform: these - square.
mircea_popescu: let's compromise :
mircea_popescu: happycheese
asciilifeform: sounds unpleasantly smegmatic for some reason.
mircea_popescu: perhaps because it's true.
asciilifeform: btw - ~why~ was it that the peasant gurl could not go to the sea ?
asciilifeform: i never grasped
mircea_popescu: by herself ?! what, as a 12yo or w/e ?!
asciilifeform: or as older etc
asciilifeform: folks dun stay 12 forever
mircea_popescu: as older wouldn't be relevant to the story, being later. who knows, maybe she grew up to worship my footsepts.
mircea_popescu: but in any case : you couldn't just BUY a hotel reservation. you had to get tickets.
asciilifeform: ro is what, 900km wide ? and iirc it's got trains
mircea_popescu: which were distributed by workplace
mircea_popescu: so you had to be cool.
mircea_popescu: if you tried to camp on the sea you'd have been arrested and sent to work.
asciilifeform: crash with friends ?
mircea_popescu: the #1 thing i liked about ro socialism and dislike in us socialism is this. idleness was fucking illegal, "homelessness" meant the police picked you up, beat you up, and sent you to work camp.
mircea_popescu: and computer programming, as understood today, same.
asciilifeform: тунеядство
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well this one had no friends.
asciilifeform: ^ we had a word.
asciilifeform: in the su penal code.
asciilifeform: it doesn't even translate to eng.! afaik
mircea_popescu: !~translate Ro to Ru vagabondaj
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: бродяжничество
asciilifeform: that sounds more britishy actually
mircea_popescu: i think i like this better
asciilifeform: !~translate Ru to Eng тунеядство
jhvh1: asciilifeform: parasitism
asciilifeform: or rather, not quite.
mircea_popescu: yeah, this also existed, but entirely different.
asciilifeform: more closely would be 'uselessly-eating'
mircea_popescu: parasitism = mp lives off his investments. vagabondaj = alice_ is not sucking cock.
asciilifeform: that was different article
asciilifeform: in penal code
asciilifeform: 'нетрудовые доходы'
mircea_popescu: two words ? such waste!
asciilifeform: huffman coding !111111111111
asciilifeform: i must disagree that the alices are idle, however.
asciilifeform: they are busting their nuts for hitler.
asciilifeform: cranking out systemd's, ukukus, etc.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self') << HERETICS ACTING FROM PURPOSE
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sorta what the magnetic pole of that direction looks like.
asciilifeform: it ain't pretty.
BingoBoingo: Looks like MAO-ism in the Nepali sense where every political party is a different kind of MAOist party
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein / from the same source : https://archive.is/uIBox#selection-9.1569-9.1577
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i read that as 'MAOI party'
BingoBoingo: EIther way fava beans still kill
asciilifeform: !!s tropar
asciilifeform: !~s tropar
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: $s tropar
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's a tropar
trinque: "hymn" in romanian according to cursory googling
asciilifeform: that'd make sense.
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