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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00058816 = 42.818 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: massive fleanode retardation
asciilifeform: incidentally, what kind of sense does it make for arsebot to lose everybody's session when it dies ?
asciilifeform: i mean, i understand losing session when ~people~ log out.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417141 << i actually wrote it for entirely other reason but only made it public because mircea_popescu suggested curing the rpc retardation
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 04:08:36; mircea_popescu: phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http << quite.
phf: plx more details!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417106 << BingoBoingo you can buy the usg version of this idocy right now. eager ?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 03:15:29; BingoBoingo: From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet networ
asciilifeform: *idiocy
phf: oh i meant, what was the entirely other reason?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, idiocy remains
asciilifeform: phf: tx debugger
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:49:59; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417079 << copied from similar routine elsewhere. it's a cheap stack smash pill. see logz.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:14:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?
asciilifeform: !s IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK
assbot: 4 results for 'IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK
phf: asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417169 << this is utterly, screamingly ugly and i will sign no part of it.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:38:28; phf: asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log
asciilifeform: shiva is for abolishing cppisms in whole unitary chunks.
asciilifeform: not line by line, wtf.
asciilifeform: rpc is an example.
asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
phf: i only ride 'em, i don't know what makes 'em work.
assbot: Kelly's Heroes Oddball Takes a Rest - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEI0Rk )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: okok! point taken.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is it inane of me to ask about hyphen/underscore conventions in shiva.cpp?
phf: (hyphen plx)
ben_vulpes: phf: and in the c function declarations?
phf: underscore
ben_vulpes: this is idiomatic c and scheme?
phf: yes
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assbot: I Know Nothing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEJLOi )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123809 @ 0.00058976 = 73.0176 BTC [+] {4}
ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: where is an appropriate place for custom trb scheme, and what mechanism should load it? just appending to the bottom of init.scm feels wrong.
phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 03:38:49; phf: 1) brew install cmake 2) patch < foo.patch 3) link_directories and include_directories in CMakeList.txt need to point to be modified to point to your boost/db4/openssl locations 4) mkdir foo; cd foo; cmake ..; make
ben_vulpes: at least, complains of no shiva flags
phf: no shiva flags?
ben_vulpes: lemme see if it shits to disk
ben_vulpes: Error: If Shiva is enabled, MUST specify init file!
ben_vulpes: init file, scuse me
phf: oh oh
phf: yeah no reason why it wouldn't work from there..
ben_vulpes: holy fuckadoodle phf delivars
assbot: phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmWPKx )
ben_vulpes: heavens to betsy
ben_vulpes: what a night
ben_vulpes: heheheh strbuffsize goes from 256 to 2048
phf: big buffer ensures i can send big function over wire and tinyscheme doesn't barf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.0005877 = 35.3795 BTC [-] {2}
phf: after application, run with -swank in addition to all the other shiva args, and connecting to the shiva port with slime-connect should work mircles
ben_vulpes: aha i assumed, just thought it funny how quickly that number got bigger and by how much
ben_vulpes: hey phf this btcbase thing would rule with anchored line numbers on patches
phf: it's got mp's select on it, but yeah, line numbers might be better
ben_vulpes: oh huh
phf: select thing is still vaguely broken though
assbot: phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph6vzp )
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: clearly you need more to do
phf: indeed
phf: maybe a skilled fullstack developer could fix the selection widget for us
phf: if only we had some web development professional in our ranks
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho
ben_vulpes kicks tires, spits
ben_vulpes: myup, looks like y'all got a wad of javascript
ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98750 @ 0.00059171 = 58.4314 BTC [+] {4}
ben_vulpes: you'll probably want to re-grease the decompilator with some euros while we're at it, that never hurts and can frequently improve end-user experience
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:30:16; phf: he can get me a pm at $150/hr and two junior devs $50/hr each in no time. selection will work by next iteration, but will depend on jquery and react
ben_vulpes: you people seem to think that i actually handle the rods myself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00059165 = 46.1191 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: #> (btc-connections)
ben_vulpes: ^^ natively on the mac
ben_vulpes: what a time to be alive
ben_vulpes: phf: consider linking to sigs from patch page?
ben_vulpes: also signers line i think is broken
phf: signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press
ben_vulpes: myeah, i figured.
ben_vulpes: mebbe call it "press party"
ben_vulpes: full of bad ideas tonight, me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00059246 = 21.3582 BTC [+]
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcQqFk1XIAAJzhr.jpg:large "Pope Francis meets Instagram CEO at the Vatican to discuss "power of images.""
punkman: oh he has a twitter account, that's great https://twitter.com/pontifex
assbot: Pope Francis (@Pontifex) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph8dRn )
assbot: SSD reliability in the real world: Google's experience | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph8SSV )
ben_vulpes: age trumps r/w load eh?
phf: main issue with using select on btcbase page, changing dom basically breaks all links
punkman: phf, maybe better to do line numbers and use line ranges in the link anchor
phf: aye
phf: but line numbers better match the vpatch lines, that requires patching the vpatch parser, so i'm just going to sleep instead :)
ben_vulpes: nn phf great work
ben_vulpes: Connecting to Swank on port 1336..
ben_vulpes: error in process filter: net-read error: (cl-assertion-failed (cl-plusp length))
ben_vulpes: ^^ to haunt your dreams
phf: hmm
phf: if you just connect to 1336 with netcat, and type a bunch of random letters, does it bail with "wrong length" error?
ben_vulpes: nope, eval error unbound
phf: did you pass the ./bitcoind a -swank argument?
ben_vulpes: herp derp
ben_vulpes: doooope
ben_vulpes: ty phf
punkman: mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.
assbot: #Eulora log for Saturday, 2016-02-27 ... ( http://bit.ly/21r0UYp )
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phf: ben_vulpes: you can now control the universe
ben_vulpes: this is a mega patch
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ben_vulpes: phf: get to bed before i bog you down in emacs config arcana
phf: ooh ooh, try apropos! also meta-tab completion!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00059315 = 43.0627 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: apropos does a thing
ben_vulpes: finds car and set-car!
ben_vulpes: now to wire in compile-and-load-file
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 16:58:25; asciilifeform: either that or i finally got fed the polonium.
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1phaY5g )
punkman: "the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."
assbot: The Return of Wetwork: KGB Goons Radiated a Former Associate in London | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbpfP )
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assbot: Brainsturbator ... ( http://bit.ly/1phcpAs )
ben_vulpes: punkman: wasn't that forever ago? or is there a new case
punkman: nope, the old case
punkman: 10 year inquiry that results in nothing in particular
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assbot: The New Way Things Work | David Macaulay | digital library bookzz ... ( http://bit.ly/1phe2OG )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6390 @ 0.0005828 = 3.7241 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 400386 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 797 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
punkman: ;;nethash
gribble: 1153065295.31
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1pheDjB )
punkman: I remember when I first saw "Help text is returned in an exception"
ben_vulpes: and yes, yes. the whole rpc wart must be frozen with nitrogen and smashed into a zillion pieces.
ben_vulpes: right?!
ben_vulpes: what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.
ben_vulpes: like...what?
punkman: not a bad idea to write down reading notes and share on mailing list
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.0005828 = 23.4577 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: half-baked exclamations of disgust are probably best kept here
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assbot: Mercedes-Benz swaps robots for people on its assembly lines | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1THk3PR )
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ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#0266 << what does it mean for `nLimitProcessors = nGenProcLimit` to be passed as the argument to WriteSetting? an implicit test returning a boolean doesn't make much sense to me as a value for nLimitProcessors
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rc5Zck )
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ben_vulpes: a casual browsing of the source suggests to me that the processor limiting could be excised. thoughts?
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ben_vulpes: well thanks to phf's fine work, i implemented get-connection-count, get-difficulty, get-generate, and am going to sleep on set-generate.
punkman: it's not a boolean
ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp
ben_vulpes: the others are all trivial
punkman: notice the single =
ben_vulpes: punkman: yeah, a bool there doesn't make sense because it's used as a number of processors.
ben_vulpes: punkman: yeah i have nfi
ben_vulpes: assigns nLP equivalent to nGPL and throws it down the chute?
ben_vulpes: why not just throw nGPL into WriteSetting?
ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: your connection details are leaking before your host gets applied
ben_vulpes: !up AaronvanW
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to bed. thanks punkman.
punkman: ben_vulpes: because I guess nGPL is a global used somewhere else
punkman: and fuck yeah I saved a line!
AaronvanW: ben_vulpes: ah. any way to fix that?
ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: this is a real treat to work with
punkman: AaronvanW: use SASL to login
ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: you want "sasl", and to instruct whatever client you're using to not join channels until it's done swizzling the sasl
AaronvanW: punkman ben_vulpes: will look into that, thanks
ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: cheers
punkman: ben_vulpes: second part isn't needed, sasl happens before the client can join anything
ben_vulpes: punkman: BUT IT'S ONLY USED IN SETGENERATE OMFGWTFBBQ
ben_vulpes: punkman: aha would you like a stack randomizer while we're at it?
punkman: I'll take two
ben_vulpes: more random stacks are more secure!
ben_vulpes: rot13 in your ssh!
ben_vulpes: mirror terminal output and learn to read backwards!
ben_vulpes: sing songs from mary poppins while reading gpg-grams to defeat the high-fidelity microphones!
ben_vulpes really to bed now
ben_vulpes: !up TheRealJohnGalt are we through the netsplit and can i yell at you about your flapping connection yet?
ben_vulpes: srsly.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417147 <<< this is so much like the "munca patriotica" bs you wouldn't believe.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 04:57:39; assbot: Mizzou Stream Team to hold outdoor clean-up events at local waterways – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1oGNd64 )
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mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:28:53; asciilifeform: massive fleanode retardation
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417175 << i support this. the problem with the "easier" approach of "we don't cut whole parts but arbitrary fragments" is that now you not only baked in the fragmentator, which becomes one of your dependencies, but also have to keep track of arbitrary fragments, which are numerous (this is why replacing one file at a time, while dubious, is at least not involving MORE mov
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:45:17; asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
mircea_popescu: ing parts than replacing by conceptual unit, which is why it's more apt to be contemplated) and will soon overwhelm any "easier" benefits early on.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP just as much as bitco
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:13:15; phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things
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mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417213 << i think we'll have to give up the mp's select thing. it apparently doesn't work well enough, for reasons i/nobody can be bothered to debug, and besides, new ones will prolly constantly pop up.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:36:14; phf: it's got mp's select on it, but yeah, line numbers might be better
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 http://btcinfo.sdf.org/node.html <<< back above 70% xD
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: so goes my faint, if generous but doomed attempt to rescue javascript.
mircea_popescu: fortunately btcbase does not actually need it as much as flat text. (there's a difference between text that's line-addressable and text that's paragraph-addressable.)
mircea_popescu: you may think that "hey, so you just found your solution, have the machine put a ¶ or a § before each paragraph and an anchor on it", but no. flat text is fundamentally different from ADRESSABLE text in general, the "paragraph-addressable" is a least-offensive kludge. and yes trilema is written deliberately, and constantly, with a view to breaking addressability from outside. because that's the sort of text it is, an
mircea_popescu: d if it WERE addressable it'd just be shittier text. much like the uniform for a whore, some good things ruin other good things.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:50:03; phf: signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:10:57; phf: main issue with using select on btcbase page, changing dom basically breaks all links
mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.
mircea_popescu: it's really one of those things that should never have been.
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the equivalnt of a shelf of make-up in the workshop or "i wanna watch tv on my computor" sorta things. get a husband / get a tv set if that's what you're trying to do and get out of everyone's way.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417268 << i'm not proposing the guy is right or wrong re editor to use, mind. still, culture shock.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:22:54; punkman: mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417292 << resulted in "o, what are you, some sort of lunatic discussing the matter ? THERE IS AN ACTIVE INQUIRY GOING" for a fucking decade.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:00:26; punkman: 10 year inquiry that results in nothing in particular
mircea_popescu: then the SOPS goons wanna wonder why people don't give a shit about their nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:14:05; punkman: not a bad idea to write down reading notes and share on mailing list
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417306 << i always thought that's one of the better gems of lolcomedy in that thing. you see, it's so fucking abstract, it calls the things to get the list of messages, hurr durr. no magic strings here, we just do calls!!11
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:13:37; ben_vulpes: what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.
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mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the equivalent of a man who married a street whore, had a daughter with her somehow, and now that the girl's of age being almost 11and a half he is very fond of demonstrating to random passerbys in the street just how unlike her mother the youngun is, through the age old process of stuffing bills in her various articles of clothing as "see, she doesn't even take the stocks off!"
mircea_popescu: stockings* lol.
mircea_popescu: omfg. "users by lines, last 7 days 1.) asciilifeform 1490 2.) mircea_popescu 1276" << NOOOOOOOOO
mircea_popescu: i have been replaced!!1
mircea_popescu: oh, and something for muscovites an' aspiring muscovites in the audience : http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc97rkXYRr1rfxsvfo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: admire the cast iron heating element, and all the stale memes. my adolescence screaming from the dusts of time!
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 15:31:38; mircea_popescu: oh, and something for muscovites an' aspiring muscovites in the audience : http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc97rkXYRr1rfxsvfo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: https://github.com/indutny/bcoin#features <<< broken javascript, now with segwit support :D
assbot: GitHub - indutny/bcoin: Small bitcoin library for node.js and browsers ... ( http://bit.ly/1TL9Tiq )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417284 << wake me up when there is a 'lengthy public inquiry' into michael hastings. or slobo milosevich. or, ......
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:31:50; punkman: "the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417227 << i think mircea_popescu would rather chew off his own fingers than pay programmers for whatever.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:43:07; ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.
asciilifeform: and i certainly see the point of view.
mircea_popescu: if this thing is constructed on that process, we've therefore got nothing.
mircea_popescu: red hat can also pay.
mircea_popescu: once red hat can not also pay, for the printing press was smashed, then yes. not before.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:37:30; mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.
asciilifeform falls down
mircea_popescu: culture, alfie.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417379 << now this is complicated. commonlisp is standardized (next to ada, ~the~ most standardized language - compliance is iron, and you can actually ~use~ it as per the standard) - BUT - massive, and unsuitable for inclusion in a larger proggy. scheme, on the other hand, is also well-standardized - r5rs (ignore r6 and after, the weevils got to it) BUT the language is unusably
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:44:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP ju
asciilifeform: minimal as specified in r5, AND ts does not fully implement r5 (largely in the interest of fits-in-head, but also original author's laziness)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:45:10; mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.
asciilifeform: i.e. emacs
asciilifeform: think about it, a lisp with 10,000,001 opaque c/cpp primitives
asciilifeform: stinks regardless of what else.
asciilifeform: this is one of the reasons i sat on shiva for as long as i did
asciilifeform: and still an rather unsure that it was a good idea
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asciilifeform: i dusted it off as a wartime wunderwaffen thing.
mircea_popescu: no, i am aware.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:53:51; mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\
asciilifeform: leads to moar scar tissue.
asciilifeform: elementary.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417404 << it was made by shitpeople and thereby it could not have been anything but shit.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 15:11:22; mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'brogrammers' fueled by 'jolt' and cardboard pizza
asciilifeform: folks who belonged at the plow.
asciilifeform: and were given a computer by catastrophic mistake of history.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> leads to moar scar tissue.
mircea_popescu: what's that mean ?
asciilifeform: failure of a mechanical system, or even of meat organ, tends to be a cascading phenomenon
mircea_popescu: this is true.
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mircea_popescu: nevertheless, try an actual reasoning (ie, from causes) rather than a faux-fiatesque monstrosity (as to purposes)
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asciilifeform: how is 'gangrene produces more gangrene' not 'from cause' ?
mircea_popescu: produces.
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x produces y" is fundamentally THE forward-looking statement.
asciilifeform: rust catalyzes rust. there is no purpose baked into the statement.
asciilifeform: elementary 'x pushes y.'
mircea_popescu: "if no wind"
asciilifeform: ergo we learn that there was no wind.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with forward-looking attempts at thought.
mircea_popescu: they end up baking in untested because unknown assumptions.
mircea_popescu: which is why it's not thought.
mircea_popescu: more generally, and for extensibility & standardization purposes, the canonical form :
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x IS y" < correct. thought. from cause.
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x OUGHT TO y" < wrong. non-thought. towards purpose.
asciilifeform: the first form only wins you anything if you've thoroughly nailed down the 'is'
mircea_popescu: all "produces" reduce to "ought to", easier for people who comprehend enough physics to know time is not a thing, but even for more pedestrian minds.
mircea_popescu: which is why i put the question in asciilifeform , the is is actually thoroughly nailed down for this scope.
asciilifeform: i suppose i'm thick, then
asciilifeform: let's have the canonical form ?
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mircea_popescu: women, not in the sense of individuals but in the sense of the mass monster they constitute in aggregate, are always and everywhere in favour of the state and the statu quo.
mircea_popescu: note that it is not said "have more WOMAN, as in, have more of the romanian chick at mit who wrote the ai guy's eulogy"
mircea_popescu: it is "have more women". the statistical entity.
mircea_popescu: much like the 1st soviets would have said "have more politruk/comissars in the army", the 2nd soviets want more women, unspecified, in tech.
mircea_popescu: for the same reason - army could have overthrown soviets, tech can overthrow soviets etc.
asciilifeform: mr mold described it in precisely these terms.
mircea_popescu: linkplox ?
mircea_popescu: might be his best article then.
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mircea_popescu: anyway. to continue the thought - the usg and its ephemera are deeply and fundamentally antifeminist. they hate women as individuals and aim to exploit them as a mass. this is EXACTLY the situation of black people in the antebellum south : hated as individuals, exploited as a group.
asciilifeform: the 'party member in every lift'.
mircea_popescu: ben and jerry's is ultrapremium icecream ?
asciilifeform doesn't buy frozen concentrates, does not distinguish the grades
mircea_popescu: i don't see how this sawed off grenade made for the purpose of convincing kids not to make or use grenades you linked has anything at all to do with the bomb above, tbh.
mircea_popescu: maybe in a very generous reading ?
mircea_popescu: but... he speaks of minorities. minorities are not women. what's the logic ?
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that this is the correct link.
mircea_popescu: now im stuck reading another mile long pile of yarvinesque nonsense ? ;/
asciilifeform: in fact, a good chunk of what i remember as 'moldbuggery' appears to be a synthesis that exists nowhere outside of my own head (and occasionally the logz)
asciilifeform: but at any rate, he is speaking of something palpably real and known to virtually all usaschwitz inmates.
asciilifeform: 'there is to be a Party member in every lift.'
mircea_popescu: but this is not a matter of parties per se. it is not a matter of conviction, it is a matter of biology.
asciilifeform: 'there is not to be a physical space where you feel safe speaking' is the ultimate objective of all sov-style systems.
mircea_popescu: funny, let's ask allah
mircea_popescu: Ù… أَلَمْ تَرَ Ø£ÙŽÙ†ÙŽÙ‘ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ مَا يَكُونُ مِن نَّجْوَى ثَلاÙ
mircea_popescu: ‹Ø«ÙŽØ©Ù إلاَّ هُوَ رَابِعُهُمْ وَلاَ خَمْسَةٍ إِلاَّ هُوَ سَادِسُهُمْ وَلاَ أَدْنَى مِن ذَلِكَ وَلاَ أَكْثَرَ إِÙ
mircea_popescu: „اَّ هُÙ
asciilifeform: my poor console
mircea_popescu: look at that, allah is not welcome in the logs!
asciilifeform: hey it worked when i did it
mircea_popescu: “Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them where ever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Aware of all things.”
asciilifeform: allah likes utf-8.
mircea_popescu: there. another socialism.
mircea_popescu: which goes right back to a much older thread re arabs and women and how it all works.
asciilifeform: and yes, totalitarian state consists of implementing in the flesh, precisely this.
mircea_popescu: islam is not specifically oppressive of women. it is merely opressive of INDIVIDUAL women enough so that the men may be persuaded to swallow socialism.
asciilifeform: 'subscribe and we'll help you hold her still for a spell' ?
mircea_popescu: that enough bar is necessarily higher in eastern societies, that aren't quite as fucktarded as anglotwerps, and so here we go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform allow me to quote from the prophet moar!
mircea_popescu: "172 – Rule: Men are allowed to speak to non-Mahram women as long as the following two conditions are met: It is not with the intention of lust. "
mircea_popescu: so... not even! subscribe and we'll give you one free cow!
asciilifeform: 'while supplies last!'
mircea_popescu: but in any case - do not talk to the ones that don't have the official allakhu-snackbar brand,
mircea_popescu: lest you hear evil things of sin and decide to throw all this crap in the septic tank where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: (unrelatedly - i've re-read the arabic old texts. the previous time i did this they ended up in the fire. somehow, the shit's grown EVEN MORE offensive over the years. scarcely can explain this wonder - the people involved have been dead for a thousand years.)
asciilifeform: this works as well on ancient texts as on microshit
mircea_popescu: not on all.
mircea_popescu: augustus is as readable as ever.
asciilifeform: naturally not on all. only the psychiatrically-inspired ones.
mircea_popescu: or fine - should you protest virtue is cheap for the purpled - shakespeare, idem. and that man had absolutely no virtue.
phf: ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp << correct way to do that one is to write get-index-best that returns block-index structure that you can get bits value from, and then have get-difficulty do all the equivalent calculations in scheme, bitshifting and all
asciilifeform: phf has it.
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty good.
phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long
asciilifeform: the tricky bit is that for a while you end up with 2 routines that do (nominally) same thing
asciilifeform: but are uncoupled.
asciilifeform: hell on wheels.
phf: well, luckily get-difficulty is only used in rpc, so can be nuked upon rewrite
phf: but yeah, much duplicate
phf: re standartization, issue i'm personally running into is that we can drag tinyscheme in the direction of common lisp or stick to scheme conventions. both have downsides
mircea_popescu: phf and do you take the further step and say "since all ambiguity is definitionally bad design, we prolly need to cut this knot at a higher level" ?
asciilifeform: phf: i'd go for whichever ~weighs less~ (and not in the idiot scheme community metric of 'the language weighs less') but THE AGGREGATE
asciilifeform: 'DoJ is required to cloak NSA-CIA capabilities by pretending full sharing does not take place. Redacted and excluded filings and decisions by DoJ, district, appeal, SCOTUS and FISA courts along with open and classified executive orders by and POTUS, and best of all, classified contracts, implements this. ... Going to court melodramatizes and sanitizes the bung-holing (like USG v. Apple) with in camera, withholding, stonewalli
asciilifeform: ng and denying.' << mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: in other similar news, from the piece you linked,
mircea_popescu: The California Supreme Court took up its first diversity case in almost seven years today, agreeing to decide the legality of San Francisco's program that grants preferences for aryan contractors. The court granted a hearing on appeals by two companies that say the city ordinance violates Proposition 209, the 1996 initiative that outlawed aryan preferences in public contracting, employment and education
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asciilifeform: mr mold, if this was not clear, was playing hofstadter's word-swap game.
mircea_popescu: yeah, and the result is actually not bad.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this.
mircea_popescu: there is really little cause to discuss usg behaviours in any other terms, and there's very good cause to NOT discuss it in the terms usg itself comes up with.
mircea_popescu: after all, no physch writes up disease in patient terms.
asciilifeform has followed this dictum since forever.
mircea_popescu: in general the first requirement of thought is "use language derived from the objects not the subjects"
mircea_popescu: of course, for some reason he calls it navrozov's
asciilifeform: briefly revisiting john young's thing on cpunks, 'full sharing' does not ~always~ take place. the lizards don't give a flying fuck re: a dead snackbar.
asciilifeform: glass cannons are fired when merited, e.g., 'silk road'.
mircea_popescu: "The commission found evidence that city staffers had failed to enforce diversity and had unfairly blamed aryan-owned firms for delays in projects."
asciilifeform bbl, food
phf: mircea_popescu: what would be a higher level here?
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: but ignorance is scarce defense.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this. << There already is. Tack a paragraph on top of it explaining its deviance from sanity and wrap the document as plaintext in block quotes
phf: to some extent init.scm is like a v patchset, functions referencing functions, which is in turn a popularity contest, except not directly supported by wot
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean specific transforms. "minority groups" to be rendered "aryans". etc. would require some time spent with the fishwraps i guess.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aha
mircea_popescu: phf ithought we were disucssing the cl vs scheme thing ?
mircea_popescu: "Under the Republic an almost unlimited frankness in public utterances was tolerated and a considerable confusion of the mind, unfeigned and unabashed, was bared to everyone's inspection. Under the Dictatorship only one idea of political and philosophical relevance could be safely expressed. As a result, public utterances became uniform and, in the same proportion, insincere." heh. said of every republic ever.
BingoBoingo: "minority groups" likely transforms on its context to "political patrons" "loyal mobs" and "select demographics"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the power of this scheme, such as it is, is reductionism. specifically : map a large number of idiocies on the same (historical) term for similar idiocies. it is a dangerous gamble.
mircea_popescu: and of course never is the gamble discussed, or the mechanism for that matter.
mircea_popescu: afair hofstadter doesn't, at leasty.
ben_vulpes: phf: ah! serialization.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give this some more though today as I take my turn at the homestead clearing debris
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417563 << right, good point. what other commands aren't candidates for porting?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:15:33; phf: well, luckily get-difficulty is only used in rpc, so can be nuked upon rewrite
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 16:37:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps
phf: ben_vulpes: i meant original can be nuked
ben_vulpes: oh i see
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?
phf: "I’m a Former Green Beret and Here’s How I Would Bring Down Bitcoin" wtf
phf: i think that was in logs, but i just parsed that header
BingoBoingo: phf: The content was basically remedial destructive social engineering
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assbot: phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPKWCp )
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assbot: Full Throttle ... ( http://bit.ly/1WRI2vf )
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:55:44; mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417621 << this is spiffy but why did you have to put getunixtime as a primop??!!
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 19:25:19; phf: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank#L373
asciilifeform: there are only so many empty primop slots
asciilifeform: i dun get it
asciilifeform: could've lived happily as an ordinary routine.
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phf: asciilifeform: i'm not convinced yet one way or another. "ordinary routine" in tinyscheme is considered to be a crossboundary ffi, and is only enabled when building non-standalone
phf: i was thinking that get-unix-time is a language feature, that's bedrock (i.e. being able to query wallclock), and can be used to build other abstractions on time, right now used for timing, but should be used as base for get-universal-time/decode-universal-time/get-decoded-time
phf: *on top
kakobrekla: redditards also report Well, the DDoSer(s) are hitting my home network now. Can't use my internet. I have been running a Classic node., DDOS on Classic nodes, DDoS started again. Have a nice day, guys :)
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BingoBoingo: !up botneko-chan
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts today?
BingoBoingo: !up pizzaman1337
botneko-chan: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416114 < whomever is ddosing f2pool pleae contact me and ill contribute to your efforts
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
botneko-chan: is that guy here?
mircea_popescu: what guy
botneko-chan: kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: yeah, he is.
botneko-chan: What's his nickname?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol
botneko-chan: Don't see him online
mircea_popescu: i guess your irc is broken.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen kakobrekla
botneko-chan: Maybe, I'm using web irc
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mircea_popescu: apparently, gribble also broken
gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <kakobrekla> redditards also report Well, the DDoSer(s) are hitting my home network now. Can't use my internet. I have been running a Classic node., DDOS on Classic nodes, DDoS started again. Have a nice day, guys :)
kakobrekla: oh what a turmoil in b-a
kakobrekla: botneko-chan are you ddosing f2pool?
botneko-chan: but I'm ddosing classic nodes
botneko-chan: can ddos pool too for $
kakobrekla: am i think or whats the point of ddosing nodes, its the blocks that count.
botneko-chan: Will be ddosing pools after some time
mircea_popescu: botneko-chan suppose you get yourself a key, get in the wot.
botneko-chan: what does "wot" mean? I'm non-native speeker
mircea_popescu: web of trust.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpJ1vR )
botneko-chan: kakobrekla do you want to pay for pool ddos? We can talk privately, my xmpp adress is ddosservice@sj.ms
kakobrekla: we can talk about that but we can do it on irc and its advised to get in the wot first or else i wont know who im talking to soon
BingoBoingo wonders if this is the cool kind of DDoS with angle grinders, kerosense, and thermite or the boring kind with packets
asciilifeform: l0l megastarfish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform competence exists in all fields.
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BingoBoingo: !up botneko-chan
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asciilifeform: phun phakt: 'libreboot' won't build without 'unifont'
asciilifeform: a GRUB2 TURD
asciilifeform: MOTHERFUCKERS
asciilifeform: whole project is a sad joke
asciilifeform: and i'm the only one, it seems, who knows this?
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asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2014-09/msg00002.html << folks complained in 2014, latest ver STILL DOES
assbot: [bug #43188] Allow headless 'coreboot' builds without unifont/freetype ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVKrEu )
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asciilifeform: !s grub2
assbot: 16 results for 'grub2' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=grub2
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
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ben_vulpes: neat phf
mats: libreboot doesn't exclude turds as part of its philosophy iirc
BingoBoingo: More accurate: Libreboot is perfectly happy to include turds so long as they have an RMS approved license
phf: rms doesn't see вредительство as a problem, but it's also the kind of a problem for which there's no technical solution
phf: ("wrecking")
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asciilifeform: phf: aha, he had a rather odd reaction when confronted with the libnss thing back in the day
asciilifeform: how do you tell a man that he's munchausen's horse ?
BingoBoingo: !up dLVcJF3D
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mircea_popescu: phf whart do you mean not technical solution ?
phf: it's not clear to me how to enforce it without human in the loop. a monkey can enforce gpl, but it takes thinking human in the loop to identify a wrecker code
mircea_popescu: well, if there is wrecker code there's probably a systematic problem at work
mircea_popescu: imo gpl/gnu/foss/blabla is all sunk by the fact that they wish to oppose SOME effects of socialism, while staying socialist.
mircea_popescu: put a wot in there, give up on the idea that people are fungible, problem goes away.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this would still be a human as opposed to "technical" problem.
phf: but those are all social solutions.
mircea_popescu: but on thinking about it, i guess in the end i disagree there even could be such a thing as a technical problem.
mircea_popescu: not that the abstract notion isn't tempting. but i fear it may well be one of those, dwim things.
kakobrekla: !rate botneko-chan 1 on the right side of the fight
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asciilifeform: a 'technical problem' is simply shorthand for problem where the solution is extremely well-defined. e.g., wire is broken, does not conduct, telegraph does not go. solution is technical - mend wire.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you verify he's actually doing anything ?
kakobrekla: !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.botneko-chan.1:372fe5c6cd69890f7a019e85895ee222c172f71dbea35edc85cca5a1a845d1fc
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for botneko-chan with note: on the right side of the fight
mircea_popescu: botneko-chan post an addy, i'll send you some on the strength of his word.
asciilifeform: since when do we particularly need to ddos anybody..?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "wire is broken because it's in the path of foxes to chicken coop" ?
asciilifeform: am i thick?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we don't. but i'm giving moneyz to girls that go topless. why not to guys that live on own two feet ?
phf: well, technical solution to social problem is the one where you get a social system running, come back in 30 years, the expected output is still present, even if perhaps diminished
mircea_popescu: at least this fellow i won't have to persuade about the benefits of you know, getting the fuck out of the us.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think ddosers live on six feet.
mircea_popescu: heh howssat ?
asciilifeform: like all insecta
mircea_popescu: phf wherein the dtime and dresult are a measurement of the idiocy of the people involved.
mircea_popescu: ie, if they're dumb as rocks, no variance in result.
phf: right, but that's a feature
botneko-chan: 1FVmpGHMPqQDvRFFuDSJj9xBsB3WS4QjD :)
botneko-chan: I'll keep ddosing classic for month and also going to try ddos pool mining it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34363 @ 0.00058692 = 20.1683 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: eh, relax an' have fun.
botneko-chan: Thanks :)
botneko-chan: Lol I'm hhaving. Actually I more love fun from ddos, money is a good bonus
punkman: botneko-chan: was anyone else paying for ddos on nodes/pools?
botneko-chan: There's one man ordered ddos
botneko-chan: I don't know who, actually I'm working with another guy that talks with clients
punkman: cool
botneko-chan: Even if I would I wouldn't say, client must remain anonymous
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:05:27; DerpUnion: are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic
punkman: except no need for "plans"
botneko-chan: currently no
botneko-chan: The main principle of cool ddos is: you give $ for bandwith and $ for us and we have fun all month
mircea_popescu: botneko-chan anyway, prolly should read the logs.
botneko-chan: Who (or what?) is prolly?
mircea_popescu: probably, shortened.
kakobrekla: as far as we discussed he understands the blockchain size problems or the lack of there of.
botneko-chan: ah, ok. I'm non native speaker, shortened eng sometimes hard for me
mircea_popescu: just in general speaking.
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botneko-chan: like internet of shit so much
botneko-chan: have botnet of routers more than 2 times bigger than Core's network
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00058232 = 10.0741 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up adlai
punkman: is anyone making smart-tv/fridge/microwave botnets yet?
kakobrekla: add wifi laundry washing machines to the list.
botneko-chan: These aren't so widespread
punkman: pretty sure this was in the logs, but couldn't find it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337
assbot: Russia: Hidden chips 'launch spam attacks from irons' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QejMS2 )
mircea_popescu: lol. FLATTENED BY IRONING IRONS!
mircea_popescu: oh the irony.
adlai: good morning #b-a
asciilifeform: punkman: ancient news
asciilifeform: the teapot case.
asciilifeform: some electric tea kettles were found to be 50g overweight each at customs.
asciilifeform: spamatron, searched for open 802.11.
asciilifeform: !up molz
botneko-chan: they banned me on /r/Bitcoin_Classic
botneko-chan: booooring
molz: asciilifeform: thanks :)
asciilifeform: molz: and who might you be ?
botneko-chan: ant then they say that there is no censorship on classic/xt while core is censored
molz: asciilifeform: a bitcoin fan
molz: what's this channel about?
assbot: start [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3HRP6 )
punkman: get it before the venezuelans burn it all down
mircea_popescu: molz ideally, read the logs.
molz: mircea_popescu: very interesting, love it
kakobrekla: fast reader
molz: are you guys on bitcoin core slack?
assbot: 516 results for 'trb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trb
mod6: ben_vulpes: re shiva, cool that you're getting into that!
mod6: asciilifeform: re yesterday (line 47) of some version of the V99997 build script.... I took a look at the one that was deedbot'd and that line was correct.
mod6: i dunno where that other version came from.
mod6: i'll dig it up, but none the less, everyone should be using v99995 now
mod6: thanks to whomever updated the wiki
mod6: anyway, here is the deedbotted v99997K (http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh) -- but this is obsolete. DO NOT USE.
mircea_popescu: how was teh vacation mod6 ?
mod6: nice :]
mod6: really quite helpful to just relax for a couple of days.
mod6: shinohai: cool! maybe take a backup at somepoint before you get to 100% so incase of power-cycle you won't have to start over from genesis.
mod6: mircea_popescu: how's everything been around here
mod6: ?
mircea_popescu: pretty good, actually.
mod6: good deal.
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.69, Best ask: 435.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.69, 24 hour volume: 16224.04349694, 24 hour low: 422.1, 24 hour high: 437.89, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: heh you're even richer than when you left!
mod6: haha.
mod6: my favorite.
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 400471 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 712 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 12 hours, 27 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mod6: it's been weird to even be afk for 24 hours.
mircea_popescu: breaks do a body good.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> breaks do a body good. << yeah for sure. and i think it totally helps to step back and see the entire forest through the trees.
mod6: in scheme news, i learned how to read a file and print it out the screen. lol
mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417559 << we're gonna need a whole lot of procedures. I'm excited to see all of your submissions.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:13:58; phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00058001 = 23.2004 BTC [-]
mod6: i'll check back in later all! <3
assbot: Dripping blood, a severed arm, & 67 tons of cash on a CIA plane | MadCowNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1XU07d5 )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1417816 << now i ~really~ would like to know where hdbuck got it.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 01:07:38; mod6: i dunno where that other version came from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does readelf ever run the elf ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, why?!
asciilifeform: not as printed on the box, at least!
mircea_popescu: because weird reports from guy re eulora lol.
asciilifeform: let's have it ?
assbot: #Eulora log for Monday, 2016-02-29 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XU2axZ )
mircea_popescu: i never heard of such thing in lyfe.
asciilifeform: oh for fucks sake
asciilifeform: the highlight.
asciilifeform: nm, found with manual grep
asciilifeform: HIGHLIGHTING DOES NOT WORK
mircea_popescu: dun tell me THIS doesn't work either
mircea_popescu: oh come on.
pete_dushenski: "danielpbarron: It autocompletes ./euclient" << top line on my box
mircea_popescu: a href="#t00:21:04" class="time">00:21</a> << your browser is VERY broken
asciilifeform: srsly i have six boxes here with 6 browsers and not one.
mircea_popescu: i don't care. if it doesn't select correctly on a href anchor it's so broken it wouldn't qualify as a browser in 1995.
asciilifeform: but at any rate, if indeed 'readelf opened the game', this is a discovery and ought to be reproduced.
mircea_popescu: yeah but dun work here.
mircea_popescu: course i'm not installing fucking zorin or w/e the thing is called
asciilifeform: wtf even is that
mircea_popescu: "ubuntu more like windows"
asciilifeform: try and at least persuade him to post his readelf binary.
pete_dushenski: fwiw b-a logs always and everywhere seem to link correctly. maybe eulora logs need some of that kako magic pixie dust ?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 00:05:52; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes and everyone else into supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say at least where you actually saw the highlight thing ~work~
pete_dushenski: it works on archive.is, does it not ?
asciilifeform: (on what wwwtrons)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i suspect that it is a js thing
pete_dushenski: as it is on trilema iirc
asciilifeform: same one ?
asciilifeform: bitwise ?
pete_dushenski: ^ mircea_popescu
pete_dushenski doesn't know, wasn't there.
pete_dushenski: "SSD UBER rates are higher than disk rates, which means that backing up SSDs is even more important than it is with disks. The SSD is less likely to fail during its normal life, but more likely to lose data." << from punkman's link.
asciilifeform: soooo in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: i recently built what i believe is an exact replica of rms's laptop
asciilifeform: 'thinkpad x60' with libreboot and replacement ('atheros') nic
asciilifeform: it is unusable.
asciilifeform: cpu overheats when building gentoo.
asciilifeform: almost certainly because the compatibility was a bold-faced lie, and the cpu 'frequency scaling' thing doesn't work.
asciilifeform: (explicitly admitted to in the docs, but somehow 'this doesn't matter')
BingoBoingo: Is the heatsink appropriately copper colored or is it laminated with tar?
asciilifeform: solid cu.
asciilifeform: and, again, this is not something that happens normally.
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: is rms hawking these turds himself ? cui bono from this misdirection ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: i suspect that it is a js thing << look at the page source. no js, just a href anchors.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you are still thinking of rms as a self-aware creature, having a thought process
asciilifeform: i am no longer sure that this is true.
pete_dushenski: perhaps so eh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps he has become a lichen as he aged. Half man half malassezia since the toe jam incident.
punkman: are there any alt-RMSes?
asciilifeform: wtf would that even mean ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: when confronted with the idea that his life's work is an utter failure, man tends to wander into some very peculiar corners.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0005826 = 2.2139 BTC [+]
punkman: asciilifeform: wtf would that even mean ? << other crazy fsf people that want to be rms
pete_dushenski: in other cultural news, http://archive.is/ZxUaw
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asciilifeform: punkman: you cannot 'be rms' without the history
asciilifeform: it is pretty much all he has.
assbot: [Trisquel-users] X60 Libreboot Trisquel 7 Overheating ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMgF5y )
punkman: what, the history of "utter failure"
asciilifeform: punkman: the history of emacs and gcc
asciilifeform: and the miscellaneous (e.g., ai lab) legends.
mircea_popescu: !up DicePower
mircea_popescu: you can voice yourself by pm-ing !v to assbot
DicePower: Ahh okay, thought I had to decode that hash thing.
DicePower: (which didn't work for some reason)
mircea_popescu: you will, yes.
asciilifeform: flea as in fleadom.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you use tghe wifi ?
asciilifeform: i threw the intel wifi in the trash and installed atheros.
asciilifeform: but yes, i use it.
asciilifeform: its a motherfucking laptop.
mircea_popescu: ah right
asciilifeform: and i own an ir thermometer.
asciilifeform: and fucking hate idiots.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm thick, but...
asciilifeform: the original card heats, yes. new - no.
asciilifeform: plus there is apparently no remnant of doubt that coreboot (aka linuxbios) does not properly handle the variable cpu clock thing, nor the fan controller
asciilifeform: and people just live with this.
asciilifeform: phun phakt, the x60's original bios has 'computrace' infection, though this is mentioned nowhere in the docs, nor in the original 'bios setup' (normally, they do.)
phf: most of the time i spent setting up linux on macbook pro was tracing and eliminating overheating problems
asciilifeform: eliminated how ?
phf: cargoculting /proc and disabling almost everything. on mbp issue is mostly with discrete ATI card
asciilifeform: 'almost everything' being, e.g., what ?
mircea_popescu: what's cargoculting ?
phf: ati card, bus that it sits on, wifi, sd card slot, firewire slot, hdmi, bus that those sit on
asciilifeform: phf: what is even the point? why not throw whole thing in the trash ?
asciilifeform: what is the use of the box without these parts ?
phf: manually forcing cpu to run in save as much battery mode
asciilifeform: go and gentoo on that.
asciilifeform: what rubbish.
phf: well, that's why i'm back on mac os x in defeat
phf: i gave up because integrated intel card and ati card combination required some fancy grub PEEK/POKE combination, and i didn't want to do grub
asciilifeform: i would have said 'there is a less atrocious machine, the legendary x60' but now i WON'T ...
phf: oddly enough doing that same PEEK/POKE after the linux framebuffer kicked in would blankscreen the machine.
asciilifeform: dual gpu boxes will never work, don't even bother.
phf: i'd probably persevere but it was interfering with my work, only so much you can do with cli emacs, without a proper browser
phf: mircea_popescu: extreme case of "tom knight and the lisp machine", doing things with no understanding hoping to produce desired effect
asciilifeform: at some point (not any time soon, i've elementarily no time) i will replace the thermal paste in the x60 with industrial diamond
asciilifeform: it often helps.
asciilifeform: but srsly wtf.
phf: i have a borrowed carbon x1 that i'm hoping to make use of. guy was running ubuntu on it, and clean slackware install at the very least doesn't exhibit particularly aberrant behaviors
phf: but the whole exercise feels a bit hair shirt
asciilifeform: i draw the line at 'randomly crashes during compiles'
asciilifeform: this is not tolerable.
phf: maybe i can get away with running 10.9 for the next five years at which point b-a will have its own scheme-81 clean room, yeah?
asciilifeform: woah that thing runs at 80c.
asciilifeform: (at 50% cpu utilization)
phf: well, yeah, all those hoops i jumped through, compiling anything non-trivial would kick in fans at 60000
asciilifeform: at least your fans ~work~
phf: ahaha
phf: i see
asciilifeform: libreboot just sort of runs it at mid-rpm at all times.
asciilifeform: and hopes for the best.
asciilifeform: this immediately tells me something about the authors
asciilifeform: namely, that they do not actually use linux (i.e. gentoo) on their boxes
asciilifeform: or the idiocy would have become immediately apparent
asciilifeform: as it dies in the first 20 min. of setup, during the very first compiles
asciilifeform: l0l and randomly looking for this, found something that could be straight out of mircea_popescu's zoo,
assbot: Hello | AspiesCentral.com ... ( http://bit.ly/215ej2U )
asciilifeform: 'My laptop is a Thinkpad x60 running the LibreBoot bios and Debian GNU/Linux, it overheats alot, especially when viewing Star Trek outtakes of Captain Picard. It survives though, even at 90 Celsius... It should die, but it's strong.'
asciilifeform: 'Basically I've accepted a life without physical friends, except family.'
phf: ahaha
assbot: MacOS is the new Windows | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPWiGv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3196 @ 0.00058001 = 1.8537 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27204 @ 0.00057916 = 15.7555 BTC [-]
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