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JuliaTourianski_: the paintings within are by us
phf: (ben_vulpes asciilifeform http://glyf.org/tmp/shiva-swank-op.png only works for own defined functions though, neither builtins nor ffi stuff seems to have enough meta)
punkman: ah, maybe tell the guy to put a note in the ads, I was confused
JuliaTourianski_: what were u looking at exactly
punkman: JuliaTourianski_: just the maxfield.me/blog/ link
JuliaTourianski_: hmm maybe it could say "art by Ricky Allman" etc
JuliaTourianski_: they're great gifts
JuliaTourianski_: better details here: https://imgur.com/a/RILhF
assbot: Kialara Signature Series ~ Bitcoin Wallet - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUd3dE )
ben_vulpes: and JuliaTourianski_ a great salesbabe
JuliaTourianski_: and im not even wearing spandex
ben_vulpes: salesbabes don't wear spandex, boothbabes do.
assbot: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQMd6w )
phf: also great investment for those shtf preppers
assbot: Forest | Julia Tourianksi ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWaIUi )
JuliaTourianski_: only .1 btc? jewy.
mircea_popescu: lol it's not prostitution, it's artistry!
JuliaTourianski_: thanks +punkman
mircea_popescu: as per wilde!
phf: very билибин
mircea_popescu: anyway, im off. laters all.
JuliaTourianski_: yeah, definitely an ode to him and also Bauer
phf: perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?
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mircea_popescu: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-02/msg00416.html << anyone fuckin looked at o'donell's glibc patch ?
assbot: Carlos O'Donell - [PATCH] CVE-2015-7547 --- glibc getaddrinfo() stack-based buffer overflo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHMwR )
mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra is on the first google page for the thing o.O
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 11:11:37; mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra is on the first google page for the thing o.O
shinohai: Buenas Dias, here's some Yanet Garcia to fuel your Lunes: https://i.imgur.com/za6FrOO.webm
mircea_popescu: in other lolz, the interwebs offers exactly 0 information on how to turn dns lookups off, or itable it away, or ufw/csf/etc it shut, or any of that. because apparently this is not something one could want to do. it will break your internet! why ? dns is about as useful as painted wings on a cow, there's exactly nothing internet-wise that needs (or for that matter even significantly benefits from) dns. nevertheless it's
mircea_popescu: baked in everywhere, to the level of fucking glibc (what fucking business does glibc have with offering a spurious aliasing service for ips AT ALL ?! that shit belongs three levels below glibc!)
mircea_popescu: very instructive example in how anglotardism works, imo.
mircea_popescu: the world, if you had the misfortune of being spawned by a dumbass with a drunkard, mostly consists of things "you couldn't possibily want", let alone need.
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 05:16:47; phf: perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413047 << we had this very thread a year ago, when first encountered the libnss claptrap
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 12:06:43; mircea_popescu: in other lolz, the interwebs offers exactly 0 information on how to turn dns lookups off, or itable it away, or ufw/csf/etc it shut, or any of that. because apparently this is not something one could want to do. it will break your internet! why ? dns is about as useful as painted wings on a cow, there's exactly nothing internet-wise that needs (or for that matter even significantly benefits from) dns
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm writing it up.
mircea_popescu: this time it's consumer-y enough.
mircea_popescu: large article, but imo worth it.
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assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 18:38:19; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: short summary: patch submitted by google chrome devs themselves; supposedly to simplify their sandbox 'jail' mechanism
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:20:40; mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to know offhand where on qntra is the affidavit of random usg derp that claims ross ulbricht was found through whatever experts sex change website ?
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deedbot-: [Trilema] Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations - http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/
assbot: HTTP GZIP Compression remote date and time leak ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDlBPC )
assbot: This is the future - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDnHz4 )
mircea_popescu: she looks pretty sad.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do you happen to know offhand where on qntra is the affidavit of random usg derp that claims ross ulbricht was found through whatever experts sex change website ? << not offhand, can dig prolly december 2014
assbot: Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDpHYg )
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2013 19:43:20; taub: Ulbricht posted on Stack Overflow using his real name, asking .How can I connect to a Tor hidden service using curl in php?.. One minute later he changed his username to .frosty., but a subpoena shows the original name.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i kinda wrote around it. but it turns out it was one gary alford
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see answer.
asciilifeform: see answer2
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1mT4gQW )
asciilifeform: 'Maintainer promised 72 virgins if he made a release. Maintainer was not told that they were all Richard Branson clones. Maintainer is pretty cheesed off about that.' << http://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/xa lulz
assbot: xa (xa65): a portable 6502 cross assembler package ... ( http://bit.ly/219VzEP )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 56 @ 0.15107971 = 8.4605 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/
assbot: Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/219Xn0H )
assbot: Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiD74O )
asciilifeform: http://news.softpedia.com/news/experiment-gets-encryption-key-from-computer-in-another-room-through-the-wall-500701.shtml << for some reason i thought the very same paper by the very same people came out last year ???
asciilifeform: or hm, the last one was on ground leakage
asciilifeform: but otherwise same setup
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it references cve 2015 7511, so it would be the one last year
asciilifeform: looks like different paper. this time with honest antenna and no electrical connection to the victim
asciilifeform: a proper reenactment of the scene depicted in 'cryptonomicon'
mircea_popescu: apparently it's reported feb 12th reported as fixed 17th
asciilifeform: fixed?!
mircea_popescu: apparently it was a leak of the ecdh keys, and there's an update libgrcyprt
mircea_popescu: ie they forgot to mention it works specifically on ec crypto. but anyway.
asciilifeform: there is no ~fix~ for radiating the bits. other than... not to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no rule that you have to leak useful bits.
asciilifeform: it is possible to calculate in such a way that the same bits are radiated regardless of inputs. but NOT on x86.
mircea_popescu: mitre, amusingly, doesn't properly list it.
BingoBoingo relishes that moment seeing a headline with "CryptoFascist" and having no idea which way the story under it is going to go when read.
assbot: [Announce] Libgcrypt 1.6.5 with security fix released ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiFwMQ )
asciilifeform: phun phakt, mitre is one of the largest usg 'think tank' setups.
mircea_popescu: very specifically ecdsa problem with weierstrass curves.
mircea_popescu: but hey, why say this. why say dns is bs. why say any of the things that actually matter, when instead could just discuss convenient generalities.
asciilifeform: where is the paper on what the ~fixed~ ver radiates ?
asciilifeform: and where is the patch for gpg 1.4 ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: mpex withdrawal pls
mircea_popescu: "security hole found in gpg" vs "security hole found in ecdsa - rsa not affected, you should have not switched"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc their last paper concerned rsa
asciilifeform: it radiates just the same.
mircea_popescu: jurov on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was iirc a flaw with chinese remainders, that was introduced much like the dns hole, for no reason, and then burned.
asciilifeform: l0l there are window washers dangling outside my office
asciilifeform: and i'm not sure i wouldn't trade places with them.
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BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net chinese remainder
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assbot: Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSYdq7 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00056927 = 19.469 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: commented.
BingoBoingo seriously wonders what universe ever particular break in various derp services matters
mircea_popescu: no idea.
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BingoBoingo: White socialists have been trying to Uncle Tom southern blacks since the 1870's
BingoBoingo: Long history of this shit.
BingoBoingo once took graduate classes where this was presented as some sort of "organic" phenomenon in black America even though the white evangalists of socialism (many of whom were influenced by the St Louis Hegelians) were prominently mentioned by the black authors in their literature.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Emergency Physicians Fail Matt DeHart - http://qntra.net/2016/02/emergency-physicians-fail-matt-dehart/
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mircea_popescu: that's pretty crazy.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, but torts in TMSR are possibru in the future
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mod6 there it is, cheers!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sharp piece on dns. looking forward to this being 'news' in 2019.
mircea_popescu: at the earliest.
PeterL: regarding removing dns, is there a replacement mechanism for resolving hosts not on your short list?
BingoBoingo: archive.is
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PeterL: what I mean is if you want to add a host to your list, where do you get the ip?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28509 @ 0.00057598 = 16.4206 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: PeterL you can put any website that checks dns on your short list if you wish
mircea_popescu: like say intodns.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.15107971 = 6.0432 BTC [+]
trinque: PeterL: dig @8.8.8.8 arsebook.com
trinque: or whichever DNS server
mircea_popescu: trinque you didn;t read teh trilema didja :D
trinque: at that moment trinque was enlightened
trinque: lol
deedbot-: [Qntra] British Pound Falling - http://qntra.net/2016/02/british-pound-falling/
asciilifeform fully expects to get deharted at some point in the none too distant future.
BingoBoingo: !Up mixdio
pete_dushenski: assbot: show the courtz your enumerated goodness and that it doesn't include kiddy pr0n.
pete_dushenski: and start a 'safe the alf' bitcoin fund for your defense. you'll be fine.
asciilifeform: for my tombstone.
pete_dushenski: mausoleum
asciilifeform: l0lsoleum
pete_dushenski: depends if alphago wins, i guess
jurov: have epitaph ready?
jurov: my guess is "At last."
pete_dushenski: "told you!"
asciilifeform: !s nine edge first
assbot: 1 results for 'nine edge first' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nine+edge+first
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
mircea_popescu: At Last Lifeform
asciilifeform: deadform.
asciilifeform: as i said many time, i think,
asciilifeform: i won't believe that i was at all effective against usg until i am being sawed apart in a cellar.
asciilifeform: i am only still walking because not worth the whatever 50k or what it costs to have a man deharted
asciilifeform: or 100k to have him hastingsed, etc.
pete_dushenski: what 50-100k. it costs 50x that much to spec a space pen.
pete_dushenski: how could dehart be less than 20 mn ? maybe 50 ?
asciilifeform: possibly... 0
pete_dushenski: think of the overhead
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 01:03:43; mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
asciilifeform: ^ mega-thread on subj
asciilifeform: the infrastructure to 'rid me please of this insolent priest' is there.
asciilifeform: and has to be exercised once in a spell.
pete_dushenski: how many lazy retards to you have to employ with 'fairness policies' to capture a couple strong retards capable of torturing usg enemies
asciilifeform: none, this all works for the other usg.
asciilifeform: the one that isn't 'affirmative action compliant'
asciilifeform: as for deharting, it isn't altogether different from what american medics do to folks ~anyway~
asciilifeform: no need for specially trained staff of mengeles.
asciilifeform: any hospital will do, just walk a man in who is pre-prepped with $pill to mimic, e.g., schizo
asciilifeform: and the local white coats, aided by american pharma, will do the rest.
asciilifeform: usg's been working on this since 1940s.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as for deharting, it isn't altogether different from what american medics do to folks ~anyway~ << word.
mircea_popescu: the error there is to assume this was in any sense deliberate. was not, sop. except nobody cares what hitler does to anon derps.
asciilifeform: what, after getting cp'd, he shat himself naturally ?
asciilifeform: not impossible, but also no reason why they'd stop at cping
asciilifeform: see, american псикушка is high-tech, spiffy, compared to old sov
asciilifeform: here, they ~actually~ take care to drive the victim mad.
asciilifeform: *психушка fuck this keyboard
assbot: The LED Block Cipher ... ( http://bit.ly/1L78Oij )
asciilifeform: and i read 'security' and find,
asciilifeform: 'The LED lightweight block cipher provide strong security arguments against all state-of-the-art attacks, even in the related-key model. In particular against differential and linear cryptanalysis: one can easily show that any 4-round differential path for any of the LED versions will contain at least 25 active Sboxes (i.e. Sboxes with a non-zero difference) in the single-key model. Even in t
asciilifeform: he more pessimistic related-key model, one can show that any 16-round differential path for any of the LED versions will contain at least 50 active Sboxes.'
asciilifeform: where is the mention of, e.g., np hardness ??
asciilifeform: nowhere.
mircea_popescu: what is this nonsense.
mircea_popescu: one can show there's shoeboxes ?
asciilifeform: entomological sample, mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: put with the other cockroaches.
asciilifeform: down in the cabinet on the left.
asciilifeform did a backbreaking literature survey, searching for signs of intelligent life, found...
mircea_popescu: i can show there's shoeboxes in the cryptologically hard cabinet under the drawer with bras and shit
asciilifeform: largely unrelated but very spiffy,
assbot: MC14500 1 bit CPU (ICU) ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7a0Cj )
asciilifeform: ^ not a misprint
assbot: Quirky Chips ... ( http://bit.ly/1QurdSa )
asciilifeform: 'it didn't have a program counter. Designers were expected to create one external to the CPU. It's width was, well, anything the developer wanted. Running a tiny bit of code? Maybe an 8 bit PC was appropriate. Or 32 bits for those applications needing 4 GN (giga-nibbles) of powerhouse processing.'
asciilifeform: 'So the inevitable question is "how did a jump work?" That was entirely up to the engineer crafting the circuits. The OEN instruction could be used to disable any changes occurring on the output data; at the end of a loop assert OEN and let the machine execute whatever instructions - hopefully NOPs - remained until the PC rolled over. There was a JMP, but that instruction simply toggled an ou
asciilifeform: tput bit. The design engineer was supposed to make that signal do something useful, like load the PC with some address.'
asciilifeform: there are not so many original things in the field.
asciilifeform: this, i dare say, was one.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1412957 << my reading of porsche for the 60s generation was a certain professional young man's (or well-heeled dilettante's) europhilic desire for post-war rennsport purity. the 90s/00s generation came to fetishise this, detaching it from reality, and in the process adding dildos of every unspeakable sort to the ak that was. in this sense, casascius coins are a necessary
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 04:23:22; mircea_popescu: phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~.
pete_dushenski: traction for those more interested in what their peers ~think~ they do than what they actually do.
asciilifeform: i reinvented a gnarly variant of this as a student.
asciilifeform: (bit-serial cpu)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what's the big deal about being original ? that's not the talk to someone visiting a hotel. 'this living out of a suitcase thing is really most splendid, why doesn't everyone do this?'
asciilifeform: ^ not mine, rather the earlier linked
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is idiot-original and there is original.
asciilifeform: the pattern in which a dog vomit lands is not the same as a theorem.
asciilifeform: bit-serial cpu is meaningfully and interestingly unlike anything that came before (or, afaik, after.)
asciilifeform: and is potentially a foundation for sane computing.
asciilifeform: (esp. in... trit-serial variant.)
asciilifeform: very amenable to exotic logical elements (e.g., optical, or spin)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for at least the next decade, i'll have to take your word on this
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 04:46:10; mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is, when it comes to technology we're all bums. nobody can make a fucking car he'd want to drive.
pete_dushenski: !s morgan 3-wheeler
assbot: 2 results for 'morgan 3-wheeler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=morgan+3-wheeler
pete_dushenski hasn't tried to make personally, admittedly
asciilifeform: i can't even picture such a thing
asciilifeform: as a car that i'd want to drive.
asciilifeform: it is like 'stake i want to sit on'
asciilifeform: how about none.
pete_dushenski: now you're confusing 'commute i'd want to drive' with 'car i'd want to drive'
pete_dushenski: these are not the same thing
asciilifeform: if not for commute, why would i drive ?
pete_dushenski: there is no such thing as a pleasant commute. it's for slaves and sucks commensurately. as it should.
asciilifeform: but why would a free man, other than perhaps one who enjoys the racetrack, drive ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: drive to travel (ie. road trip), drive for sport (ie. track)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu for instance, doesn't
asciilifeform: the best car is a dirigible.
kakobrekla: care to elaborate to us noobs how is 'bitserial' better than 'multibit'?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you can pick your word width !
asciilifeform: 5 if you like. 17. 65537.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: say you want to pop up to montreal for the week, so you rent something fast, enjoy yourself with pet. road trip chats are quite unlike anything else.
asciilifeform: airplane. cabs.
pete_dushenski: airplanes come with tsa. cabs come with stinky arabs.
pete_dushenski: neither is any sort of freedom.
pete_dushenski: and wtf a 10 hour cab ride would cost a grand+. each way. you can fly to amsterdam for that. or rent porsche from rental company for drive.
asciilifeform: wai why would i ten hour cab.
asciilifeform: that is what airplane is for ?
pete_dushenski: this is fantasy trip to montreal, recall. you said cab man, not me.
asciilifeform: and what to do with porsche ? it goes at same speed as toyota in traffic.
asciilifeform: take it to the desert ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i meant, airplane to it, and the cab inside.
pete_dushenski: well, don't drive in traffic. take scenic route. that's the whole point of car. the scenery. as well as the ability to stop here for lunch and there for coffee and over there for an ice cream, etc.
pete_dushenski: too aristocratic for you ? not 'efficient' enough ?
pete_dushenski: then take plane. no one will stop you.
pete_dushenski: and if you're going to take car to desert, make sure it's the utah salt flats https://talesfromthebatcoupedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/img_0573.jpg
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: nothing aristocratic about driving own machine imho
asciilifeform: but i have nfi, i'm not an aristocrat
pete_dushenski: there's everything aristocratic about owning the means of production and transportation. why do you think 'car sharing' and 'sharing economy' are so in vogue with the impoverished masters degree set ?
pete_dushenski: hell, even owning your own hdd/sdd is becoming a Big Deal.
asciilifeform: eh its just elementary chumpatronics.
asciilifeform: imbeciles conned into pseudo-'cheaper'
asciilifeform: it is not because anyone literally cannot afford hdd
asciilifeform: and pretty much anyone in usa can afford an old car (they start at a few hundy)
jurov: so where's the difference?
asciilifeform: between what?
jurov: are you sayind driving own car and driving own hdd is different or it is not or?
asciilifeform: not really similar other than in cost
jurov: and how so?
asciilifeform: driving yourself, on public streets, is still rather like 'cloud storage'
asciilifeform: the equivalent of 'your own hdd' transportation-wise would be, perhaps, a chopper.
jurov: you're seeing it with completely different angle
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's an apt analogy in that both car and hdd are superficially affordable, but not practically. old car costs hundreds if not thousands in unexpected maintenance EVERY YEAR. hdd costs time, space, troubleshooting, etcetc. a car you own outright (ie. no debt payments), like a desktop you own outright (ie. no winbloze avec nsa) are exceedingly high-end appointments. neither is 'accessible' in any way.
asciilifeform: i dun see it re: the desktop.
asciilifeform: it costs precious little.
asciilifeform: (unless you're a jungle man in which case it costs infinity.)
pete_dushenski: if you're not making $100k++ per annum and cannot afford extra rooms in house or apartment to enjoy as 'office', then yes, a jungle man is you. in which case, you're using a phablet primarily and a dusty laptop on rare occasions when you need to print a document. the only exception being, perhaps, g4amerz.
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 437.99, vol: 5835.82467155 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.363, vol: 6695.55602 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 440.25, vol: 16267.41429618 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.16952216 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 446.7008, vol: 44977.62410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 431.18002, vol: 931.23933052 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 434.12977, vol: 41.29541689 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
shinohai: dat ass
pete_dushenski: wonder what they actually got
shinohai: Well he obviously got cucked! xD
pete_dushenski: or a legal slave ;)
pete_dushenski: good evening sir mod6
mod6: Hi pete_dushenski
mod6: Saw your later tell, thanks.
mod6: asciilifeform: that 1 bit chip was interesting
mod6: how's everyone doing tonight?
pete_dushenski: wondering where the day went :)
mod6: me too, busy as f. but im out of the woods on this work thing i think.
mod6: its so boring
mod6: i was lookin at tinyscheme stuff. trying to wrap my mind around stuff.
mod6: like there's this thing called 'guile' that'll let you issue system commands and such...
mod6: i think im like, getting lost in all the different dialects of lisp.
mod6: i was trying to do (system "ls") or whatever with tinyscheme, but i must be doin something wrong
mod6: i guess it just says "unbound variable: system" but it seems to be in the docs under extentions. *shrug*
mod6: more reading i guess.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'guile' is another scheme interpreter.
asciilifeform: mod6: there is no 'system' in our tinyscheme.
asciilifeform: (can add it, or anything, for that matter, if we need to)
mod6: ah, werd. ok.
mod6: (quit) works lol
mod6: once i do some more reading im going to attempt to read a file.
asciilifeform: neato mod6. what are you studying from ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413322 << l0l pete_dushenski, 100k usd is real money where you live ?
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asciilifeform: a number of folks don't seem to grasp that financial and cultural poverty are quite separate things. visit usa, the land of countless millionaires who have never opened a book, and hobos with half a ph.d. in mathematics.
mod6: asciilifeform: sicp
mod6: and the tinyscheme docs
asciilifeform: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4 << another pretty good source.
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mod6: seems like we'll have to write a lot of our own procedure libs. which is maybe a good thing i guess.
asciilifeform: (available in dead tree, but link has plain text.)
mod6: ah, thanks sir.
asciilifeform: mod6: aha. (though with a small modification, ts will run 'slib', a well-known library)
asciilifeform: but scheme is quite a pleasant language to bootstrap from the ground.
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asciilifeform: inverted 'strap-on' ?!
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mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what the fuck is that retarded nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the collected "profession" of "journalist" can't if working together think a thousand words ahead.
mircea_popescu: their opinion on stuff like trilema is about as welcome as the housewife's thoughts on stage makeup.
mod6: my eyes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's their reaction to some derpy sports story about career of guy who sportsballed and then became a rape-cop who is now in prison. Derps published the story now other derps are trying to indict the entire concept of long form over the story.
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 01:21:21; asciilifeform: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4 << another pretty good source.
asciilifeform: i strongly disrecommend it.
mod6: whats the deal in there?
asciilifeform: r6rs heresies (motherfucking square brackets!)
mod6: ah
asciilifeform: straight to the stove with it.
BingoBoingo: r5rs 4lyf
mod6: oh like "(let ([if #f])"
asciilifeform: the sheer rot.
mod6: thanks for mentioning
BingoBoingo: My reading of the history is r6rs was a coup attempt to turn scheme into a sort of python or perl with too much built in shit
asciilifeform: just remember boyzngurls, syntactic sugar leads to cancer of the semicolon!
ben_vulpes: cancer of the semilollin
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phf: mod6: you can also just read r5rs directly http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/ftpdir/scheme-reports/r5rs.ps
mod6: thanks phf
phf: it's basically a self contained, and very readable spec of the language
phf: sicp is more of a "all you need to know about computation as a thing" book, rather then specifically a way to learn scheme. i know very few people who actually got through it on their own
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mod6: yeah, i've figured that from what i've seen thus far in sicp. which is alright.
mod6: some good examples of stuff in there.
mod6: i'll check out the ps tho
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