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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.11950724 = 1.5536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00080125 = 5.5687 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0051858 = 1.0372 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 80 @ 0.00438999 = 0.3512 BTC [-] {2}
LordPutin: havelock doing manual withdraws atm?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00080116 = 2.6038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5275 @ 0.00080116 = 4.2261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00080043 = 9.285 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12304 @ 0.00080018 = 9.8454 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0536985 = 0.1074 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05399967 = 0.216 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00079995 = 8.7195 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.62165745 = 2.4866 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00613716 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00079906 = 3.3561 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00079984 = 11.2777 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00080064 = 4.5636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00080137 = 17.3497 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 463 @ 0.00460828 = 2.1336 BTC [-] {18}
moiety: how close to all womenz is ozbot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.000799 = 28.7241 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06401085 = 0.256 BTC [-] {3}
Neil: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 290804 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 1515 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4609059944.38 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.44291
Neil: ooh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 701 @ 0.0035 = 2.4535 BTC [+] {2}
Neil: gribble lowballing a tad but it's tight
Neil: The Bastille day bet could become a big upset
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 419 @ 0.00080117 = 0.3357 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1524 @ 0.00342241 = 5.2158 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5941 @ 0.00312251 = 18.5508 BTC [-] {37}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00080117 = 1.9228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00079886 = 14.0999 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 214 @ 0.0031 = 0.6634 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29906 @ 0.00080206 = 23.9864 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.006 = 1.356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05260571 = 0.3682 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0645 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
lnovy: http://youtu.be/31g0YE61PLQ <- bulls on bitstamp
ozbot: The Office- Michael Scott No God No - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00080005 = 17.2811 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.05109629 = 1.3796 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.06511996 = 1.3024 BTC [+] {6}
KRS-1: lol Michael Scott
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44240 @ 0.00079857 = 35.3287 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00080323 = 6.3857 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6242 @ 0.00080333 = 5.0144 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00080413 = 6.9959 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.0008055 = 12.2033 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4381 @ 0.00080715 = 3.5361 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 321 @ 0.00336241 = 1.0793 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 84 @ 0.06811067 = 5.7213 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00080336 = 3.6553 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.06699 = 2.6796 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00348436 = 0.2787 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16481 @ 0.00080426 = 13.255 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00080288 = 12.8862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00331001 = 0.1324 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22312 @ 0.00080162 = 17.8857 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00079915 = 4.5951 BTC [-]
balulasch: hello
balulasch: I visited bit777.com 2 days ago and looked at the total wagered Bitcoins. Cant remember the exact number but as I visited today I could swear that the number was at least 10,000BTC higher. This means there must be a very huge volume. Considering the fact that bit777 is the property of casinobitco.in makes the companys stock worth on havelock seem heavily underrated imho.. I'm waiting for the new 2weekly statement like how I
balulasch: any thoughts on this?
BingoBoingo: Cake is tasty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19200 @ 0.00014999 = 2.8798 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00079758 = 13.8779 BTC [-] {2}
balulasch: lol seems like someone reacted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00079659 = 6.1736 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: soo today is going to be a big news day.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000001 BTC [-]
balulasch: mircea what are you referring to?
dub: pulling the plug on mpex ponzi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00079551 = 12.4497 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1951 @ 0.00330923 = 6.4563 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 948 @ 0.00320167 = 3.0352 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.0007951 = 8.6666 BTC [-] {2}
balulasch_: collective hangover
balulasch_: collective coma
balulasch_: what
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06999998 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00338159 = 0.1488 BTC [+] {4}
LordPutin: Mark Karpelas was on mh370?
balulasch_: yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0007991 = 4.0754 BTC [+]
Neil: LordPutin: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26143 @ 0.00080088 = 20.9374 BTC [+] {4}
gribble: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 36 seconds
ThickAsThieves: what's the big news?
balulasch_: cbtc's 2weekly report will be big news
mircea_popescu: gimme a minute eh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1256 @ 0.00080451 = 1.0105 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: pump moar
balulasch_: hope they will release it today even though its sunday
Duffer1: zzzzz
ThickAsThieves: maybe they'll release it yesterday
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt that be awesomer?
balulasch_: no
balulasch_: bought my shares today
Duffer1: i'm sorry to hear that
Duffer1: buy rumor sell news
balulasch_: why do i never get an answer that makes any sense
ThickAsThieves: responses are in kind
balulasch_: just read a lot of the channels log aswell
Duffer1: it's good that you're hear though
balulasch_: bs talk all the way
ThickAsThieves: how long did it take?
balulasch_: can someone recommend me some useful irc channels?
ThickAsThieves: #altcoin
Duffer1: you can hang around and try to avoid catastrophic losses i suppose
balulasch_: on freenode?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00080449 = 11.3031 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: any other channel should suffice otherwise
nubbins`: <balulasch_> bs talk all the way <<< lel he's right ;(
Duffer1: well ya but there's good bits too :P
ThickAsThieves: yeah but bs is just the style of the conversation
ThickAsThieves: so much context in it tho
ThickAsThieves: i guess it's that "variety speak"
Duffer1: indeed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 246 @ 0.00320465 = 0.7883 BTC [-] {7}
gribble: Time since last block: 32 minutes and 34 seconds
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck which of you broke bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i'll try rebooting
ThickAsThieves: mp's big news is that bitcoin is hacked, he;s just waiting for his coins to clear
ThickAsThieves: maybe he finally bought Rift
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00080417 = 2.3723 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: why would he wait for a tx to clear then ?
mircea_popescu: dude how does this shit work. 35 minutes for a block, then 3 blocks in 3 minutes.
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 6 seconds
ThickAsThieves: blame the Real Nigga God
Duffer1: LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00080591 = 24.6206 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: March against police brutality declared illegal, broken up - Montreal - CBC News
nubbins`: didn't see that coming
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 195 @ 0.0060001 = 1.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.62084749 = 2.4834 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0033 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.006 = 3 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.006 = 3.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17898 @ 0.00080835 = 14.4678 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62186666 = 3.7312 BTC [+] {4}
ozbot: An era ends today. A new era starts today. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: that's the big news
mircea_popescu: (still your fluttering hearts, it's nothing bad)
mircea_popescu: also if anyone wants to put it on reddit (and thanks jcpham for mentioning the lulzy reddit "bet", he inspired me)
ThickAsThieves: interesting
ThickAsThieves: i just threw 5 on it too
mircea_popescu: what, on yes ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.612755 = 2.451 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Time since last block: 26 minutes and 24 seconds
mircea_popescu: check it out, again.
ThickAsThieves: it's hard there for a pimp
ThickAsThieves: out there*
mircea_popescu: somebody really should check out the block timing, there may be some sort of issue here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05239895 = 0.1048 BTC [+] {2}
balulasch_: why? i dont see any problem with that
mircea_popescu: balulasch_ can you calculate the odds of a block taking 30 minutes to solve ?
mircea_popescu: dubsy why haet.
ozbot: 3-year-old Mateo Makes His Case for Cupcakes: "Linda, honey, just listen." - YouTube
balulasch_: no idea
mircea_popescu: bullshit corp made out of bullshit, worth ~the going rate for bullshit in your jurisdiction.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.612001 = 1.224 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10220 @ 0.00086345 = 8.8245 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: TAT I saw that video couple days ago, nothing cute about it
balulasch_: do you think the total wagered coins on bit777 main page are made up?
balulasch_: if not
balulasch_: stock price will double later today
ThickAsThieves: i hope he hope his cheated-on wife makes a similar video in 20 yeards
ozbot: blues brothers - sell me your children - YouTube
mircea_popescu: moar bettar.
ThickAsThieves: balulasch_ I take it you're the one with the 35k-share ask wall on CBTC
ThickAsThieves: well, not a "wall"
balulasch_: 2014-03-16 07:01:1318756฿0.00015000฿2.8134
balulasch_: that was me
ThickAsThieves: pumping your stock in here won't move the price
ThickAsThieves: try trollchat or something
balulasch_: im just asking for opinions
mircea_popescu: !t h cbtc
assbot: [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00014500 / 0.00014974 / 0.00015992 (23741 shares, 3.55508111 BTC), 7D: 0.00009900 / 0.00014508 / 0.00018799 (193380 shares, 28.05464854 BTC), 30D: 0.00009900 / 0.00018188 / 0.00024990 (1108845 shares, 201.67261943 BTC)
mircea_popescu: what did it ipo at anyway, was it 2 ? or 1 or what ?
balulasch_: 12
ThickAsThieves: it'd take about 200btc to double the price
mircea_popescu: yeah well. tell them to start making proper reports and stop with the nonsensical "we are great ra ra ra" bullshit,
mircea_popescu: maybe they have a chance to matter in a year or w/e.
Neil: Oh dear; I now have 12 months of loading bitbet to see Berkshire Hathaway at the top.
ThickAsThieves: kinda an important observation
mircea_popescu: you never know when a diff bet comes and swoops the top spot you know ?
ThickAsThieves: sets the tone for any new visitor
ThickAsThieves: for better or worse
mircea_popescu: so far 1000:1 odds lol
balulasch_: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2SWZWkGJ1V3UEo0Q0lESk5nd0k&usp=sharing
ozbot: CasinoBitco.in - Public
Neil: Gotta say despite the odds I'm not gonna bet No on that one.
balulasch_: new 2weekly report coming soon
mircea_popescu: Neil nuts.
mircea_popescu: i mean i fully understand you, but from an "outside" perspective, right ? fucking nuts.
mircea_popescu: perhaps this is the best line to explain to noobs why bitcoin is so powerful :
mircea_popescu: "honey, there's a 1000:1 bet that berkshire will outperform bitcoin in 2014, and i'm not taking it"
Neil: You mean, if you're not a bitcoin believer? Then yeah. But I'm quite confident BTC will outperform Berkshire.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the article is adressed to the would-be financiers of wallstreet and generally the world's pretend-bankers.
ThickAsThieves: it also has to outperform USD inflation
Neil: Unfortunately those who don't believe in bitcoin will not have bitcoin to spend on the bet :)
mircea_popescu: none of them will make 1k btc in 2014. so why aren't they ?
mircea_popescu: "they choose not to run", perhaps ?
Neil: Or will say their winnings will be near-worthless, yadda yadda.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.006 = 2.694 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no resources, no skill, no talent, no ability, no brains, perhaps ?
ThickAsThieves: the excuse will be, I don't wanna have to buy bitcoins to bet against bitcoin
Neil: Would be funny if Buffett bet 1k BTC on the other side tho.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, that's the genius of it :D
Neil: I'd join in then.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052399 = 0.1048 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Neil so mail him.
ThickAsThieves: and Buffet would say of this bet, "The bet is a perfect example of why Bitcoin is a bad investment, it is speculation and gambling at its purest!"
chetty: purity :D
mircea_popescu: "no intrinsic value in this bet"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves oddly, he doesn't say the same of government-sponsored transfer of wealth from the middle class to the lower class. that's fine, iho.
ThickAsThieves: well he can only lean on the inertia of BRK so hard til it falls over
ThickAsThieves: in less than a year I learned a bunch of stuff about Buffet, and then the first letter I get to read as it is release, reads like satire
ThickAsThieves: kinda surreal
ThickAsThieves: released*
mircea_popescu: well, we should be so lucky to live to be our own parodies.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps not.
mircea_popescu: i guess the world is split in tow sorts of people : those who aspire to be so lucky to live to be our own parodies, and those who aspire to be so lucky to die before that.
ThickAsThieves: Yes is already a losing bet in BitBet calc, lol
ThickAsThieves: i aalways thought most people lived as parodies of themselves
mircea_popescu: i guess that's also true...
mircea_popescu: btw, someone dump the trilema article on reddit will you ? i wanna see them writhe.
nubbins`: living as a parody of pop culture is more common
ThickAsThieves: it's a feedback loop
mircea_popescu: speaking of which "kardashian is a hobbit" sp kicked ass.
ThickAsThieves: not sure which is the chicken and which the egg
Duffer1: sp?
ozbot: 2 involved in apparent stabbings mum, RNC investigate - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: ^ my neighbourhood
mircea_popescu: south park
nubbins`: "police said neither of the men wanted to provide any further detail about the incidents"
Duffer1: oh man stick of truth was... wow
wao-ender: aspiration to quantum self-parody?
ozbot: Bitcoin Baron Bets Bitcoin Beats Berkshire : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: lol ima gonna have to end up buying a barony in the end
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nice pic. did you select it or did it autoselect ?
nubbins`: bitcoin bettor buys barony
ThickAsThieves: auto-pic
mircea_popescu: holy shit that's an epic title anyway.
assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1735504/plain/)
nubbins`: bitcoin behemoth barony brouhaha bashed
ThickAsThieves: fwiw i watched the nethash decrease about 200TH over the past hour
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 15 seconds
Duffer1: trouble at mount asicminer?
ThickAsThieves: appears t be London DJs
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Tremendously tittilating title ...
ThickAsThieves: Can you tell I've been reading TheRegister for more than a decade?
mircea_popescu: only if i look right at it.
ThickAsThieves: my favorite is how all their Yahoo headlines have ! after every word
Diablo-D3: the only way that could have come out better is
mircea_popescu: yeah the ! is pretty good.
balulasch_: nice bet
Diablo-D3: bitcoin brony baron bets bitcoin beats berkshire
mircea_popescu: sort of insanely funny subdued lolz.
balulasch_: mircea_popescu did you set up this bet?
ThickAsThieves: balulaash, do you read?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 but i'm not a brony. perhaps the only bitcoin veteran in this sad situation.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: only b word I could think of
Diablo-D3: well one that'd increase views
balulasch_: cant believe someone bet 1000btc on this
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, when i was a kid there was this wrestler dubbed bam bam biggelow
ThickAsThieves: i remember him
Diablo-D3: that was a looooooooooooong time ago
Diablo-D3: that was like, hulk hogan era
Diablo-D3: back when people still watched it
balulasch_: tatanka
ThickAsThieves: Koko B Ware
mircea_popescu: yeah was before sena died and they fucked up f1
mircea_popescu: kinda stopped watching it that year.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: who?
mircea_popescu: Ayrton Senna
Diablo-D3 never watched wrestling as a kid, it was too much like soap operas for men
Diablo-D3: only had friends who watched it and they wouldnt shut up about it
Diablo-D3: and had fucking tshirts and shit
balulasch_: i have friends who still watch it after 15yrs
balulasch_: and they take it for real
Diablo-D3: well I remember everyone quit watching it, then they had that NWO shit
balulasch_: somehow
Diablo-D3: then the NWO shit wore out and then they went to college
ThickAsThieves: due to them being the same day, i have an odd association with WWF and Catechism as a child
Diablo-D3: I mean, I have to give it to wrestling
Diablo-D3: they made fun of bush and it stuck
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: wtf is catechism?
Duffer1: catholic nonsense
ThickAsThieves: wrestling was always the hot topic whilst learning about jesus
balulasch_: lol
ThickAsThieves: it's sunday school
Diablo-D3: sunday school never made sense to me
ThickAsThieves: gotta do it for 8 years before you can leave the scene
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: then the catholic church is not a church
Diablo-D3: it is a cult and it is against God
ThickAsThieves: well that's just how i saw it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves did you get a little white tutu and everything ? or do they only do that for girls
ThickAsThieves: yeah have to wear some kind of robe
ThickAsThieves: i remember my confirmation vividly because i said to myself over and over "never forget how happy you are that you never have to come here again"
mircea_popescu: the shit people come up with, i swear.
ThickAsThieves: oddly it was the first time I ever had hot flashes and almost fainted
Duffer1: did you get your little scarf thing too?
mircea_popescu: i mean religion is one thing, as a theological pursuit, you know, whatever, let's sit around and discuss the beard of the teapot in the sky
ThickAsThieves: the next time was in Amsterdam :)
mircea_popescu: but by the time it gets to "you gotta wear this thing" it's gotten real old.
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: that sounds closer to an axienty attack
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, its actually why I like Jesus
ThickAsThieves: well not much distinction
Diablo-D3: he said, and this is why he killed him, "all this shit they make you do that God didn't expressly say do? stop doing it. God didnt tell you to do that."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves was it because the nude chicks behind glass ?
ThickAsThieves: either way everything turned white and i almost passed out
Diablo-D3: Jews freaked out and killed him for it
Diablo-D3: he basically Snowdened the Jews.
ThickAsThieves: no cuz i smoked too much hash
ThickAsThieves: it's weird, it happened to me both times i was in Amsterdam
ThickAsThieves: the flashes
mircea_popescu: yeah it can do that.
ThickAsThieves: never happened back home though
Diablo-D3: pot can do that, yeah
ThickAsThieves: "Bitchin' bet, bro! Bitcoin bears best become Bitcoin bulls."
mircea_popescu: you're on a broll, bro!
Duffer1: buy bitcoin. bitches.
Diablo-D3: bullshit
mircea_popescu: wait that was you ?
Diablo-D3: .... you know, why has there never been a financial blog for bears named bullshit?
Diablo-D3: seems like a lost oppertunity there
mircea_popescu: maybe so
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
mircea_popescu: gotta love these fiat guys. 0.00450000 at a time, srsly, don't give yourselves a hernia folks
mircea_popescu: lifting all that moneys up to the BitBet coinslit.
ThickAsThieves: "Analysts now see $100 BTC within easy reach. I am sticking to my bet. I bet Warren Buffett 100,000 BTC that BTC reaches $200,000 before Berkshire Hathaway does."
ThickAsThieves: maybe Max needs to put his BitBet where his mouth is
mircea_popescu: lol max bets 100k ? bwahaha.
mircea_popescu: o wait was 2013 huh.
mircea_popescu: that should make nice news for a blogger wanting toi have some fun
mircea_popescu: berkshire will probably cross 200k sometime this summer.
mircea_popescu: whereas max derper never had nor will ever have 100k btc.
ThickAsThieves: Can't have your soul and eat it to, after all
Duffer1: what was the market cap of BTC this time last year? i'm sure it was already well beyond 200k..
mircea_popescu: the funniest shit will be if the us inflation goes bonkers this year, berkshire ends up ~2mn by next march, bitcoins trade ~6k ish
mircea_popescu: just you now... narrowly missing the no condition.
LordPutin: blue means yes right?
ThickAsThieves: yeah, i suspect any violent increase in inflation would result in a more abrupt increase in bitcoin value than BRK-A
ThickAsThieves: yes, yes is the aque color
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00015 = 0.21 BTC [+]
LordPutin: wow i would take the no for sure
ozbot: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism And Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit | TechCrunch
ThickAsThieves: Well, LordPutin, go for it!
TomServo: mircea_popescu: You saying Senna dying fucked F1, or something else?
mircea_popescu: TomServo his dying resulted in them trying to fix "problems" which were wholly imaginary.
mircea_popescu: the point of life isn't to avoid people getting killed.
jurov: Hi all just checking from ski trip
ThickAsThieves: ick, skiing
jurov: Any blog abut the brk-a bet background?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I don't see the harm in making it a bit safer, the danger is still present
jurov: And sorry for all coinbr X.EUR holders, y'all will be sorted out tonight
jurov: The exp tends to fall to most inconvenient times
ThickAsThieves: wrestling got stupid when it tried to mature
ThickAsThieves: it should have always been a superhero cartoon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10099644 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: TomServo hey, what can i tell you. it's not that i didn't like it because they made safer
mircea_popescu: it's just... once they made it safer it became whatever.
ThickAsThieves: i think they also got distracted by Ultimate Fighting
mircea_popescu: "Holy moly - someone bet 1000 xbt. Is that you, Roger?"
mircea_popescu: gotta love reddits :D
TomServo: mircea_popescu: so if someone dies this year, you back in? :D
jurov: ThickAsThieves: i hope that's not related to teh bitbet :P
mircea_popescu: i loved senna too. it
mircea_popescu: s just... worst fucking thing you can do in memory of someone who died
mircea_popescu: make the thing he died for die with him.
ThickAsThieves: the BRK bettor already saying he won't bet cuz it's in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i thought he won't bet because all he had was a 25 bitcent share.
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/ < look, it's on the hotlist.
ozbot: Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.00565901 = 0.1019 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: doesnt appear as hot for me, maybe cuz i posted it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.30790962 BTC to 3`901 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1775 @ 0.0008949 = 1.5884 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0008949 = 4.743 BTC [+]
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1456 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.4784% in 9d 5h 55m 19s
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: hardcore :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.08605557 = 0.7745 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.05367992 = 0.8052 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00088955 = 3.6916 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3663 @ 0.00014283 = 0.5232 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00088898 = 9.2454 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0008905 = 14.3371 BTC [+] {2}
matthew_boyd: mircea_popescu: did you put a 1000 btc bet that Bitcoin would be worth more than Bershire?
LordPutin: thatpoor guy is going to loose 1000 btc :/
pizzaman1337: matthew_boyd: "worth more than Berkshire" doesn't accurately describe the bet, at all: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
matthew_boyd: You get what I mean, I phased it poorly, I know.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4375 @ 0.00089437 = 3.9129 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00089409 = 1.6094 BTC [-]
datz_: hey
datz_: i run an crypto assets company. how can i get involved with assbot?
taub: get it listed in an exchange
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00088834 = 6.4849 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.00345 = 0.4796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12738 @ 0.00089022 = 11.3396 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014999 = 0.15 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00088777 = 8.1231 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: datz_ there's a link on the website, check topic
mircea_popescu: holy shit... i go on twitter, "76 new interactions"
mircea_popescu: i've been interacted to all hell
mircea_popescu: copumpkin mircea h popescu
datz_: how do we list on MPEX?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust datz_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user datz_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=datz_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=datz_ | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: well, some trust would help. who are you ?
datz_: i run a company we want listed
datz_: that does crypto assets
mircea_popescu: that's maybe what are you doing. who are you ?
datz_: CEO
mircea_popescu: this is going great so far.
datz_: i run https://peercover.com and sponsor http://openxrptalk.com
datz_: we want to pay homage and do a funding round on MPEX
Apocalyptic: you will find much XRP love around here
datz_: we do BTC/XRP/DOGE/NXT/ETH/PPC/NCM/AUR you name it
datz_: we have 5 additional people we need to hire
mircea_popescu: datz_ thats nice, but listing is purely a fiduciary exercise. you have to be trusted, for which you have to be known. so you know, spend a year reading the logs.
datz_: we have two exchanges, a betting platform, an insurance platform, an investment platform, a credit and wallet platform, a chat platform - all in one
datz_: i am well known
copumpkin: yeah, this ain't glbse ya know
datz_: just don;t use IRC
datz_: i built my own chat platforms - have no need for IRC
copumpkin: datz_: IRC isn't about the platform, it's about who you find on it
copumpkin: I've built my own chat programs but nobody is on them :P
copumpkin: where else can I find someone like mircea_popescu?
datz_: the one guy i worked with used IRC stole 2.8 million XRP from me
datz_: so i don;t trust people on IRC
mircea_popescu: sucks huh.
Apocalyptic: how is that relevant ?
copumpkin: hey, this guy I spoke to once pickpocketed me
datz_: why i don't use IRC or have trust here
copumpkin: so I never talk to people in person anymore
copumpkin: makes my work life difficult but I survive
mircea_popescu: and now for the hardest task of all : to attend to my 173 messages inbox, which so far all consist of "hey you're so cool!"
mircea_popescu: i hope you're jealous kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: im getting carpal over here just downloading all these cookies.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: please allow me to fellate you
mircea_popescu: copumpkin i guess it's kinda difficult for outsiders to realise just how deep, powerful and far reaching irc is.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I actually do think it's a pretty great thing
copumpkin: the tech is shit
mircea_popescu: no, i was being plain. shit or not shit, i'm here after all.
copumpkin: yeah
mircea_popescu: tcp/ip is shit for that matter.
datz_: ok darn so IRC is too cheeky and suspicious to let me list here. don't say i didn't offer you the opportunity. will just have to stick with my own decentralized exchange :)
chetty: its the modern form of the gentlemans club :P
copumpkin cries a river
Apocalyptic: "decentralized exchange" // I guess this guy has it all
copumpkin: he has his own chat platform, his own decentralized exchange
copumpkin: never mind that nobody uses either of them, at least he can use them
mircea_popescu: lmao cheeky what ?
mircea_popescu: opporunity ?
mircea_popescu: dudes gotta come off their pipe.
kakobrekla: i only got 173 less than you.
mircea_popescu: so guise, we need to sit together and come up with a strategy to attract more dudes who don't know who they are but suspect it may be ceo in this thing of ours.
mircea_popescu: i believe it's called adoption
mircea_popescu: or penetration, or something.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I know what. I have this LLC I use for money laundering and it's super profitable. If you pay me 10k btc, I'll let you list it on your exchange.
mircea_popescu: has it been started 2 weeks ago through lying on a common bank application, all constructed on the basis of some material a website mailed you ?
copumpkin: omg you participate in that program too?
copumpkin: dammit
mircea_popescu: no this is a different one.
ozbot: User talk:5.153.234.66 - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
mircea_popescu: dude come back
mircea_popescu: please ipo your wow character.
mircea_popescu: ” Despite its generally female-friendly environment, Horvath claims that she had “a really hard time getting used to the culture, the aggressive communication on pull requests and how little the men [she] worked with respected and valued [her] opinion.”
mircea_popescu: dude how come every single obnoxious bitch out there imagines she's entitled to misrepresent her broken mental processes as "a problem of women everywhere" ?
mircea_popescu: women everywhere are emphatically not as stupid as her.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.067963 = 0.6796 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00088771 = 7.6787 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: what's more, they're stupid in their own private personal ways, which differ from hers, even should she "feel" it's not fair that should be the case.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6105 = 1.221 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0902 = 0.451 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06813999 = 0.6814 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05281003 = 0.1584 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
KRS-1: .bait
KRS-1: This bait sucks.
KRS-1: Unsatisfactory .bait links lately.
mircea_popescu: you're spoiled rotten is your problem.
sheldonthomas: ;;gettrust sheldonthomas
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user sheldonthomas to user sheldonthomas: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=sheldonthomas&dest=sheldonthomas | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sheldonthomas | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: sheldonthomas trying to decide if you should trust yourself ?
sheldonthomas: yeah it's existential
mircea_popescu: it works better like this :
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust copumpkin
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user copumpkin: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 38 via 21 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=copumpkin | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=copumpkin | Rated since: Mon Jun 20 16:53:19 2011
KRS-1: .bait
copumpkin: w00t
KRS-1: whoa a sista
sheldonthomas: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user sheldonthomas to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=sheldonthomas&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
ozbot: Velvet Revolver - Fall To Pieces - YouTube
mircea_popescu: basically it's a graph walker. as you're unconnected all your results will be 0 0 0
sheldonthomas: i hadn't seen that graphing function. very nice. i lost my gpg key i registered on otc from 2011
gribble: (book <thing>) -- Get a list of open orders for <thing>. Web view: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php
sheldonthomas: ;;book btcusd
gribble: Error: No orders for this currency present in database.
sheldonthomas: ;;book BTC
gribble: Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=BTC to see list of orders for this item.
sheldonthomas: ;;book USD
gribble: Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=USD to see list of orders for this item.
sheldonthomas: hey mircea where do i register a new keypair
ThickAsThieves: i figured it out with zero experience
ThickAsThieves: the wot link has links
ThickAsThieves: ;;google bitcoin wot
gribble: #bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php>
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves is a n00b with da cryptos
sheldonthomas: ;;gettrust sheldonthomas
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask sheldonthomas!~sheldonth@207-38-147-49.c3-0.avec-ubr2.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com. Trust relationship from user sheldonthomas to user sheldonthomas: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=sheldonthomas&dest=sheldonthomas | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sheldonthomas | Rated since: never
sheldonthomas: boy that hostmask sure is revealing
sheldonthomas: ;;get trust ThickAsThieves
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
sheldonthomas: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user sheldonthomas to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=sheldonthomas&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
mircea_popescu: you can do that in private with gribble too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0034895 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00088747 = 14.5989 BTC [-] {3}
joecool: ;;ident gribble
gribble: Nick 'gribble', with hostmask 'gribble!~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble', is not identified.
joecool: it's a fake
mircea_popescu: faux gribble
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12037 @ 0.00088553 = 10.6591 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00088509 = 4.7795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00088509 = 1.5489 BTC [-]
sheldonthomas: Isn't it advantageous to make small bets against large ones on bitbet, since regardless of what you believe the odds are, you are splitting a larger winning pool from the other side
Mats_cd03: why dont you make a small wager against every large bet then
mircea_popescu: i didnt follow the logic of that.
ThickAsThieves: depends on your goal sheldon
ThickAsThieves: obviously there is more to gain, but you can still lose 100%
ThickAsThieves: however, if you feel the large bet is correct, like in this case of this BRK one
ThickAsThieves: you'd want to bet both sides while the weight is in your favor
ThickAsThieves: this assumes the No's won't ruin that weight
ThickAsThieves: on your hedge bet
ThickAsThieves: the expense to hedge being very cheap
ThickAsThieves: when a bet is 1000:1
Mats_cd03: dont grace that with a response, he cant be so dumb as to share a simplistic thought like that
ThickAsThieves: a great phenomenon of this bet, is people thinking like him
ThickAsThieves: they see it like a scratcher
ThickAsThieves: sure i think btc will win! but dat odds! i'm willing to throw .001 against that!
Mats_cd03: its context dependent and if you cant handle high school probability you will be ignored by the universe
ThickAsThieves: "Agreed. Looks good. But what I don't get is the huge jump to 41,734.95 in total earned BTC.
ThickAsThieves: Is it caused by the acquisition of bit777 etc. or is this a mistake?"
ThickAsThieves: "No - arithmetic error in the calculation. Fixed - thanks for point it out!"
Mats_cd03: and occasionally having your wages garnished by things like the brk-a bet or slot machines because youre too stubborn to understand probabilities
ThickAsThieves: after that pumper was here this morning claming CBTC would double in value, they issue a report saying they lost money
ThickAsThieves: i'm offended that erik's reddit thread on the bet gets more shine than mine :(
Mats_cd03: bad PR in erik's thread for mpoe
ThickAsThieves: "Hence why the bet is in bitcoins - zero risk for the better and something only an idiot would participate in. I'm sure buffet's seen this one before but most of the morons on this subreddit have not."
ThickAsThieves: zero risk!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16218 @ 0.00088694 = 14.3844 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: i didnt realize until i read the trilema post that the brk-a bet originated from mp
Mats_cd03: i feel thats a missed pr opportunity
ThickAsThieves: seriously?
ThickAsThieves: i assumed immediately
ThickAsThieves: he posts about the bet and elaborates, and people still think it's erik...
ThickAsThieves: the originating reddit link points to mp's blog
Mats_cd03: the link with the most traffic points to bitbet
ThickAsThieves: which boggles my mind
ThickAsThieves: mine even has a better headline!
ThickAsThieves: i guess i need to work on my brand
ThickAsThieves: and jesushood
Mats_cd03: i'll perforate your hands for a small fee
ThickAsThieves: sadly thats not enough these days
ThickAsThieves: i'd need to start preaching and using words like community, decentralization, and such
ThickAsThieves: sad that in order to be jesus one must sell their soul
mircea_popescu: Ansgar John @ErikVoorhees @WarrenBuffett @Mircea_Popescu a year is a much too short amount of time to say much. Bet him 15 years and he might take it.
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu And yet he publishes yearly statements.
mircea_popescu: Ansgar John which state the results 'in any given quarter or year are often meaningless. '
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu Yes well, I once asked a married woman to my hotel room. She said no and yet showed up.
mircea_popescu: why do people have so much difficulty groiking the supremacy of action over speech is beyond me.
Mats_cd03: because you can never win on the internet
mircea_popescu: o that. myeah.
mircea_popescu: Mar 05 03:06:20 <mircea_popescu>when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol epic that shit. "o we just arithmeticed 47k earned income. shoulda been in bitcents. oops"
Apocalyptic: <tianrui81317> where to find people to make bitcoin related website for me? thanks
Apocalyptic: <tianrui81317> I want to build a website absolutely similar to bitbet
Apocalyptic: sigh, but seems the PR move worked
mircea_popescu: clearly, bad pr and missed oportunities.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13784 @ 0.00088721 = 12.2293 BTC [+]
Hirethestache: Is there a bitbet authy here?
mircea_popescu: what's an authy
Hirethestache: authorized manager/admin
Hirethestache: sorry, hah
mircea_popescu: "Buffett, Bitcoin Bear, Believes Berkshire Better Bet Because Bitcoin's Bubble Bound to Burst"
mircea_popescu: seems tat created a... beast ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 279 @ 0.00088959 = 0.2482 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: btw guise : where to find people to make fiat related website for me? thanks. I want to build a website absolutely similar to obamacare.
mircea_popescu: Bet started: 8 hours 20 minutes ago. Confirmed bets: 63 ( No: 56 / Yes: 7 )
mircea_popescu: i'm really blown away by the yes bets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00088721 = 6.3436 BTC [+]
nubbins`: any of you folks collect bullion?
bitcoinpete: a little
nubbins`: i just took a gold buffalo out of the packaging
nubbins`: really really poor strike
nubbins`: wondering if that's a common thing
bitcoinpete: they probably can't stamp them fast enough to keep up with people who haven't heard of BTC
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: i hear modern coins are all shit
nubbins`: nothing but good from the RCM
nubbins`: but this buffalo is fucked
nubbins`: seriously, the edge isn't even a uniform thickness
bitcoinpete: brutal
nubbins`: yeah
bitcoinpete: ya my stuff is all rcm
nubbins`: and there's a sharp ridge by the fatter part
mircea_popescu: maybe keep it as "error"
nubbins`: ULTRA RARE ERROR BUFFALO
nubbins`: that's not a bad idea
bitcoinpete: as rare as the buffalo itself
mircea_popescu: fun fact : the buffalo is worth like 2k, and yet nominal face value would be like $50
mircea_popescu: wonders of inflation
nubbins`: yeah, $50 FV
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067501 = 0.135 BTC [-]
nubbins`: kind of a shit design too
mircea_popescu: isn't it the old nickel indian face ?
nubbins`: there's an indian of some sort on it
nubbins`: which is, itself, a bit of a lel
nubbins`: like putting a jew on the deutsche mark in the 1940s
nubbins`: or having an office building here in newfoundland called the BEOTHUK BUILDING
mircea_popescu: if i were designing the reichsmarks in 1940
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> i'm really blown away by the yes bets. /// why's that?
mircea_popescu: you bet your sweet ass there'd have been a topless jewish girl on the 2 mark piece
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i just didn't imagine anyone'd be doing it. i'm not saying it's a bad idea or anything, just, not what i had imagined.
bitcoinpete: the higher the denomination, the more lewd
bitcoinpete: 100 reichsmark would be a full on orgy
mircea_popescu: nah, 5 marks could be tractors or w/e they did
mircea_popescu: "face of ugly guy with mustache"
joecool: nubbins`: never noticed you're newfie, i'll be there for like a month this summer
nubbins`: ah, no way
nubbins`: business or pleasure?
joecool: nubbins`: pleasure, gf's parents own a house there
joecool: lettin us use it for a month
mircea_popescu: they have houses in canada ?!
joecool: mircea_popescu: yeah iknorite?
nubbins`: whereabouts in nl?
bitcoinpete: out of mud, yes
bitcoinpete: and teepees are totally houses
joecool: nubbins`: i'm not entirely sure, i think it's around bay bull's though
nubbins`: ah, my mother is from bay bulls.
nubbins`: on the off chance, what's their last name?
joecool: kennedy
mircea_popescu: twist : nubbins` discovers his gf was doing double time
nubbins`: ah, k, probably no relation there :D
joecool: prob doesn't help much, pretty common name
nubbins`: my brother in law is a kennedy, but he's from habour grace
joecool: i've never been there, gf lives on ontario, i live in dirty jerz
nubbins`: go on a whale watching tour when you're out there
ThickAsThieves: anyone know the best bitcoin wallet for debian? I'm having trouble getting one to install
joecool: nubbins`: you ever see the lights?
nubbins`: nah, too far south
joecool: for normal circumstances, just need to keep an eye on when storms flare up, last year i saw them once all the way down here
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: maybe the "yes" bettors figure bitbet can keep their coins safer than they can?
nubbins`: joecool: if you're into hiking, the east coast trail from bay bulls to witless bay (and back on the railway bed) is a good one
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete this has been remarkably true in many cases so far.
mircea_popescu: especioally visible on lengthy bets.
joecool: nubbins`: will note that
nubbins`: a lot of legs of the trail, you need either two cars or you double back. this particular one, you can make a loop of it
nubbins`: ah, that bet is the top post on /r/Bitcoin right now
nubbins`: i honestly have to lel at facebook sometimes
nubbins`: cbc shares a video of a bunch of porpoises dying in the water near a supply ship that ran aground
nubbins`: "14 people like this"
mircea_popescu: maybe they were likeable corpses.
joecool: should bring back the "become a fan" button
nubbins`: "lost my baby today, feels like my heart has been ripped from my chest"
nubbins`: 3 people like this
mircea_popescu: "After my gangrape last night the doctors had some bad news :
mircea_popescu: Not just HIV, but also cancer."
nubbins`: "i'll never have kids"
nubbins`: 50 people like this
ozbot: Almost $50,000 are being bet that 1 BTC will reach $10 000 before December 201 : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: lol reddit discovers bitbet. the first page is like full of bitbet stuff nao
nubbins`: december 201
joecool: mircea_popescu: makin it rain
nubbins`: there's a few "don't give money to bitbet, scam, see this link" posts on everything related to bitbet that goes up
nubbins`: without fail
mircea_popescu: open market beagles all contain a little shit.
mircea_popescu: it's how the open market works.
nubbins`: gsdgdfs, do you even irc?
mircea_popescu: this net is very slutty.
nubbins`: *.net *.slut
mircea_popescu: "Soooo.... I used a site in november called betsofbitco.in or something like that and i made a couple bets. Both have passed their date and still are awaiting decisions for 3 months now. I should be winning these bets but there seems to be nothing happening. Anyone know if that site is a scam"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05308993 = 0.3185 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: imagine
mircea_popescu: i learn a lot from reading reddit
nubbins`: you're in the minority, then
nubbins`: except for the people in /r/til
steven-__: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/445300279030710272
ozbot: Twitter / aantonop: Planning a podcast on sexism ...
nubbins`: steven-__: golden hookers at conferences?
mircea_popescu: lol the golden hooker... that sounds like a decent bitcoiner bar.
nubbins`: honestly, i'd be embarassed to be seen at any bitcoin event
nubbins`: so many neckbeards and wizards
mircea_popescu: there could be an old crack whore chained to a wall in the bathroom, gilt.
mircea_popescu: to represent our profound respect and deep use for precious metals.
freeroute: won't multisig tx's make stuff like bitbet more 'safer' to use?
steven-__: safe is always the first word that comes to mind when i think of 3rd party and bitcoin
freeroute: yeah, centralized solutions to a decentralized protocol aren't always a good thing
mircea_popescu: freeroute apparently the people who make the calls in bitcoin don't give a shit about particular dead horse tropes.
mircea_popescu: neckbeards will have to learn to live with it.
freeroute: what particular dead horse tropes are you referring to?
mircea_popescu: "multisig tx make things safer"
freeroute: I guess it depends on the application, it won't make everything safe
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it : sites like bitbet require the power to pay winners.
mircea_popescu: with losers' btc.
mircea_popescu: so what exactly ? if you trust the site to adjudicate, you trust the site to hold the btc. there's nothing meaningful to gain by a separation
mircea_popescu: unless the site itself implements it, which it probably does.
Mats_cd03: bitbet doesnt need smart contracts for what it does
Mats_cd03: is that the killer feature you are seeing in bitbet with multisig tx
freeroute: I guess, not sure about the exact implementation, but it would certainly help bitbet's trust not being able to run away with the BTC
freeroute: but then again, betting would then be limited to only certain bets
Mats_cd03: if you implemented it then heres whats going to happen:
Mats_cd03: people say the same things about bitbet operations, but this time they accuse third_party in the same breath
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00088607 = 1.7721 BTC [-]
cazalla: steven-__: he won't attend conferences unless they have a sexual harassment policy in place as well, the guy is a total SJW
mircea_popescu: freeroute you've somehow entirely glossed over what was said.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as bitbet can resolve bets, it can run off with all btc whether you multisig or not.
steven-__: what a clown
mircea_popescu: the reason bitbet is trusted is for proper reasons, ie, being run by trustworth people.
Mats_cd03: and then you've also created a game theoretic scenario where all involved parties can potentially be robbed
mircea_popescu: not because of improper nonsense, such as "it couldn't gyp us".
mircea_popescu: i understand that there's a very strong desire in the socially-challenged for replacing girlfriends with porn, but that's not how finance works.
mircea_popescu: or copulation, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: you'll always need people. and that's a good thing, because if you didn't the planet'd be pretty darn barren by now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.06538076 = 1.6999 BTC [-] {6}
freeroute: well yeah at this point I can't see bitbet implementing such a thing because of the nature of the bets (the bets would then be binary and somehow be validated for provably true)
Mats_cd03: of party (you, her, and third_party), the following set [(third_party,her), (you,her), (you,third_party)] represents who can collude to screw you, third_party, and her
freeroute: but I do hope that trust will get out of people's hands into the hands of cryptography. Because generally, people are not a good thing, and never were.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.06976999 = 0.4884 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05200601 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: freeroute that's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: communism had a better shot than that.
freeroute: you didn't have applied mathematics you have now in the 'haydays' of communism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00587047 = 0.1233 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: if I. you see ?
mircea_popescu: applied mathematics still has to be applied. and i was there when communism fell, and i saw no mathematics anywhere around me.
mircea_popescu: twas just a sea of people.
freeroute: the point is, that right now we have a distributed asset class / currency protected by cryptography. It shifts trust from centralized models to a distributed one. That could be seen as step 1.
freeroute: luckily, the technology which is getting built on top of it, will bring lots of such decentralizations
mircea_popescu: is the wot centralised or distributed in your nomenclature ?
freeroute: colored coins is also an example of this
nubbins`: colored fuckin coins
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you knew that was coming out.
nubbins`: what's unicorn cum an example of?
nubbins`: rainbows?
freeroute: mircea_popescu: difficult. I'd say both, I wouldn't trust it more then I would trust security through obscurity
freeroute: *than
freeroute: not sure about implementation of colored coins, but the concept is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: well then i'd propose you have no idea what you're talking about, if you use a nomenclature that fails to even split the world properly.
mircea_popescu: were i to decide to split all objects into heavy and light i could fucking tell you whether a breadbox is heavy or light.
freeroute: WOT can be as centralized or as decentralized as you make it, the trust could all lead to a central authority (or central authorities)
mircea_popescu: the wot dood.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust freeroute
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user freeroute: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=freeroute | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=freeroute | Rated since: Tue Apr 2 18:13:09 2013
mircea_popescu: that one
ThickAsThieves: freeroute, so decentralized protects people from scammers?
freeroute: web of trust, yes. Like the GPG WOT?
ThickAsThieves: interesting
freeroute: no, I didn't say that.
ThickAsThieves: tell me how
ThickAsThieves: what does it do again?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it protects people from having to bow down to their superiors, which idiots with delusions of independence loathe.
ThickAsThieves: does it?
mircea_popescu: ultimate autists' fantasy this, "trustless systems".
ThickAsThieves: humanless systems
mircea_popescu: exactly.
freeroute: ThickAsThieves: it makes stock issuance and distribution extremely resilient
ThickAsThieves: from what?
mircea_popescu: you.can.not.have.stocks.without.trusting.the.issuer.
mircea_popescu: jesus god.
freeroute: true, I didn't claim otherwise
ThickAsThieves: you claimed resilience
freeroute: but at least that prevents the exchange screwing everyone over
ThickAsThieves: to what?
mircea_popescu: freeroute and yet this is a solved problem in fiat too.
mircea_popescu: nyse never screwed anyone over.
mircea_popescu: how come ?
freeroute: closing exchanges, for one. over-zealous regulators is another.
ThickAsThieves: you can protect issuers from regulators?
mircea_popescu: ah this is too much, i'll bbl.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00088607 = 3.3671 BTC [-]
nubbins`: WELL GREAT THERE GOES THE CONVERSATION
ozbot: Well great, there goes the band Dollhouse - YouTube
freeroute: wasn't there a documentary about a CS guy who found out that stock exchanges (like the NYSE) were basically frauding people?
ThickAsThieves: you can't remove people from the system
freeroute: of course you can't, but you can minimize their impact on it
ThickAsThieves: you realize a good exchange actually plays a role
freeroute: which is?
ThickAsThieves: to provide a number of services
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05439423 = 0.1088 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: to the issuers, to regulators, to traders
ThickAsThieves: a decentralized one can't fill all roles
ThickAsThieves: it can only automate
ThickAsThieves: even then, don't most of these decentralized exchanges lean on less than 10 points of trust?
ThickAsThieves: is a decentralized stock exchange not able to be regulated?
freeroute: there isn't a decentralized CC exchange yet AFAIK
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03764609 = 0.1506 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.065 = 0.52 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: would anyone providing ledger services to a stock exchange not be regulatable?
freeroute: in the case of CC, wouldn't it itself be a ledger (or the blockchain itself being a ledger) ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06318838 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {2}
freeroute: it would be regulated the same way BTC would, I assume
ThickAsThieves: (I realize this leads to arguments on bitcoin's susceptibility to regulation)
ThickAsThieves: BTC's regulatory future is not finalized yknow
ThickAsThieves: miners could come under it
ThickAsThieves: and likely will eventually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0630001 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2}
freeroute: hmm, I always thought that regulation in regards to BTC could only be applied at the "IRL" fiat-side of things
freeroute: so assume miners fall under the regulation, who's to say they won't employ techniques to evade that regulation?
ThickAsThieves: the USG for example cares most about two things
ThickAsThieves: money laundering
ThickAsThieves: and consumer protection
ThickAsThieves: in regards to btc at least
Mats_cd03: i fucking hate that phrase, 'money laundering'
Mats_cd03: i move to have it permanently banned from use
freeroute: ThickAsThieves: well, it's nice that they care.
ThickAsThieves: regulating that no miner may have more than XX% of the network power is not an absurd notion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05438353 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06700052 = 0.134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
freeroute: regulating that is also nice. But how would that be applied?
ThickAsThieves: not applied, enforced
nubbins`: it wouldn't
Mats_cd03: you could not enforce that
Mats_cd03: without a centralization authority which the protocol lacks for this purpose
ThickAsThieves: someone is caught doing it, for example
nubbins`: trivial to circumvent
ThickAsThieves: they are hauled in
ThickAsThieves: well many laws are trivial to circumvent
ThickAsThieves: doesnt stop them from existing
nubbins`: too true
nubbins`: "no miner may mine more than XX TH/s from the same IP"
freeroute: enforced was the word I was looking for indeed
ThickAsThieves: maybe ASICMINER grunt whistleblows in 2017
ThickAsThieves: doesnt have to be easy to catch someone
ThickAsThieves: it would just be such that someone breaking a law, would now know so
ThickAsThieves: of course people here would disagree this is even possible
ThickAsThieves: regulating bitcoin
Mats_cd03: i suppose a combined legal and technical approach would be a best-effort case for enforcement
ThickAsThieves: i'm on the fence
ThickAsThieves: i think it can be for the most part
freeroute: even so, they parties who disagree can easily operate in area's which do not have those regulations
freeroute: *the parties
ThickAsThieves: well same for all laws right?
Mats_cd03: i would not bet any of my wealth on a best-effort approach
ThickAsThieves: you wanna sell pot, move to Amesterdam
ThickAsThieves: Amsterdam*
ThickAsThieves: people keep jumping to these yeah but it's international arguments
freeroute: not really a great example since selling pot commercially is still heavily regulated and still not legal, but I do see where you're getting at
ThickAsThieves: it doesnt matter
ThickAsThieves: all the world is international, yet every country has different laws
ThickAsThieves: yet people live in every country
ThickAsThieves: the world turns
freeroute: what Bitcoin (for the most part) enables, is full "in the cloud" operation wherever you geographically might be positioned. As long as you're connected, you can do most of the stuff with BTC.
ThickAsThieves: so why the effort to remove trust from the equation?
ThickAsThieves: you can't
Mats_cd03: youve blown my mind, i never realized that about bitcoin /s
ThickAsThieves: hell, 99.9% of the people never even vetted the code
ThickAsThieves: for all we know it's majorly flawed and the people that know choose to just bank off it
ThickAsThieves: how's that for trust?
ThickAsThieves: are you gonna go through the CC code?
freeroute: putting trust from the hands of people into mathematics is a way of making sure that you can't be screwed by people, which has happened numerous times already.
ThickAsThieves: do you know how decentralized it really is?
ThickAsThieves: same for Mastercoin etc
freeroute: well you can't abolish trust entirely, that would be unreal
ThickAsThieves: what if ghash.io manages 80% of the CC ledger?
ThickAsThieves: what if they wait 9mos til everyone gets comfortable and fuck everyone over?
freeroute: CC doesn't have a ledger AFAIK, it uses BTC ledger
ThickAsThieves: something manages the metadata no?
freeroute: the metadata is inside of the BTC tx'es, right?
ThickAsThieves: what parses it?
ThickAsThieves: what maintains updated listings?
freeroute: the client, same way the BTC client parses the blockchain
freeroute: (I assume)
ThickAsThieves: i may be mixing OT and MasterCoin in here
freeroute: MC is similar to CC but OT is a communication system which can be used on top of MC / CC AFAIK
ThickAsThieves: as i understood decentralized systems, they utilize new ledgers, maintained by servers
freeroute: ah that sounds like OT's system
ThickAsThieves: in the end though youre still quite a slave to the issuer
ThickAsThieves: an exchange has an incentive to vet it's issuers
freeroute: well no one stops a service vetting issuers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05396624 = 0.1079 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: well you want to rmeove the exchange right?
ThickAsThieves: compare mpex and cryptostocks
ThickAsThieves: this is how it unfolds
ThickAsThieves: why wouldnt a reputable issuer use a reputable exchange?
freeroute: nothing, but then the issuer would then be at the mercy of the exchange
ThickAsThieves: the CC system will be riddled with scams and issuers no one else would have
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309 @ 0.00088607 = 0.2738 BTC [-]
freeroute: true
freeroute: just like Bitcoin was/is
freeroute: but that's the nature of decentralized and unregulated systems
ThickAsThieves: that you cant trust them?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is about to rip buffett a new one. what are you talking about.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29691 @ 0.00088254 = 26.2035 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is not comparable to stock issuance
freeroute: ThickAsThieves: that there is no middleman in between that can screw things up
mircea_popescu: <freeroute> there isn't a decentralized CC exchange yet AFAIK << there has been, for years. ot, open transactions.
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin makes no claims
ThickAsThieves: had no obligations
ThickAsThieves: it is what it is
freeroute: indeed
cadmus2: MtGox is mentioned on the FAQ page - came in here to let someone update it
mircea_popescu: cadmus2 faq page of what.
ozbot: FAQ BitBet
freeroute: mircea_popescu: hmm, I was under the impression that OT was still being developed
mircea_popescu: cadmus2 a. well so it'll be a nice bit of memorabilia, by 2025 people will be all "hmm what's a mtgox"
mircea_popescu: then granpa mp can tell the chitlins all about this magic the gathering thing
cadmus2: true
freeroute: mircea_popescu: cool, I'll give them a read.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06907202 = 0.1381 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00088008 = 7.3372 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "It would be so awesome, if the owner of this homepage just takes all the coins. :D it's almost 2 000 000 fucking dollars!!!!"
benderp: california ain't so bad after all, guys!
benderp: the women are retarded
benderp: the men are retarded
benderp: 50% of the land is covered with asphalt, and 40% with retarded californian lean-to's in the style of something elsewhere that actually matters
khersonus: taking coins is typical stupid bitcoin user logic. It shows with the number of scams that have happened.
benderp: but the best part is how the cell network can't sustain a connection to IRC via anything but JS.
benderp: FML.
mircea_popescu: benderp well look on the bright side : maybe it falls into the ocean.
mircea_popescu: khersonus what were you trying to say ?
khersonus: mircea_popescu: that there have been a large number of scams in bitcoin as a result of the "owner takes all the coins" thinking
khersonus: mircea_popescu: btw, been reading through your blog, good stuff (and some... weird stuff)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06907214 = 0.1381 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the problem here would be that bitcoin is a two tier society.
mircea_popescu: while the plebs like to claim that they're "the community", this was never either true or seriously considered by anyone.
mircea_popescu: so... don't tell me about how the people that didn't listen to mpoe-pr and went and lost their btc on glbse somehow "Suffered"
mircea_popescu: they suffered the just reward for their idiocy, which has nothing to do with bitcoin in any sense, and even less with exchanges, or with owners
Mats_cd03: benderp: try irccloud?
asciilifeform: damn it, i leave for just one day to hang out with humans in person, and miss all this good shit.
mircea_popescu: decentralize!
khersonus: mircea_popescu: why not run your options system with your own pricing index? it seemed to me that your two complaints about bitcoincharts were that an exchange pushed doge data, and they didn't remove mtgox. Couldn't you do better yourself?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves o hey, the bet is officially a net positive nao. Yes pays: 0.99990488
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00088721 = 5.5007 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: khersonus i could, practically. i couldn't, theoretically, becuase THAT would be undue concentration, ie the bad sort of centralisation.
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
Duffer1: that would be a pretty massive conflict of interest khers
mircea_popescu: lol poor guys.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 imagine if i also got to select the secret valid nonce for each block, too.
Duffer1: would you buy romania?
khersonus: Duffer1: maybe that's true. But maybe this big bet on berkshire is also a conflict of interests? he owns most of bitbet anyway, I thought
mircea_popescu: khersonus so what is the ownership of bitbet going to do, change the brk-a market ?
Duffer1: that's different though, the terms are clear to everyone and unalterable
ThickAsThieves: well technically the terms are alterable
benderp: oh teh ironies
ThickAsThieves: if they want to lose trust
Duffer1: i suppose so, you are right
khersonus: a proper index could publish all of its calculations. It could even be a collection of scripts that everyone could run to verify the data on their own. mircea could just publish the verified results.
benderp: asciilifeform: wtf? forgive my naive but what are the actual odds of that happening?!
ThickAsThieves: to play devil's advocate, why wouldn't MPEx use a decentralized system to manage its issuances, assuming things like orderbook delays were not a problem?
asciilifeform: anyone else's port 80 honeypots full of 'zologize' ?
mircea_popescu: khersonus but there's some decisions to be made, and they're toxic for me.
asciilifeform: some interesting rumour on the matter:
mircea_popescu: someone else'd have to make them, and make them well.
khersonus: mircea_popescu: for example?
khersonus: (dropping mtgox?)
mircea_popescu: for instance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00349948 = 0.3394 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: or rejecting bitfinex, which inexplicably everyone includes atm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't seem too convincing to me.
khersonus: it still doesn't seem like it would be that difficult of a problem. I'm surprised you haven't come up with a solution, given the potential profit it could have and has had for mpex
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a turd that port scans wantonly would appear to be uncommonly poor workmanship even for usg.
asciilifeform: but you never know.
mircea_popescu: axa.php ? cmon.
mircea_popescu: khersonus didja read teh mpoe report ?
ThickAsThieves: didnt google cars go around pretty much port scanning entire nations?
khersonus: I'll read it again
ozbot: Man accused of stabbing Russian diplomat is DND employee, reservist
benkay: much better.
ozbot: Index of /logs/bitscotty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00349951 = 0.1225 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bounce lol! what's that ?
ThickAsThieves: "Can someone explain to me why Berkshire stock has the value that it has? It has never paid a dividend. What benefit is there in owning such a stock, other than it increasing in value?"
mircea_popescu: lol word.
mircea_popescu: is this from twitter ?
Dimsler: lol
khersonus: "if you look at the whole pie I’d be muchly surprised if a tenth of all Bitcoin trade ever sees a so-called exchange website" < if this is really true, I can see your point. I've just never witnessed that much otc trading, perhaps.
Dimsler: what do you mean?
benkay: all complaints about california aside, the company is fantastic: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3a7642c
Dimsler: how is that any different then facebook?
benkay: (amazing company)
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
benkay: thanks, oz
ozbot: -altoid- comments on Bitcoin Baron Bets Bitcoin Beats Berkshire
mircea_popescu: that's some pretty epic shit right there.
dub: eww that thing looks like lorde
mircea_popescu: "damn these reality check things getting in the way of my delusional substitute for a through process"
dub: asciilifeform: is there something deeper than 'nsa tests botnet I think'?
asciilifeform: dub: other than the factoid that they employ folks to steal poorly-secured traditional chumpnets, this is uninteresting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00088566 = 5.9782 BTC [-]
dub: right
mircea_popescu: the "it's nsa" link isn't particularly strong.
mircea_popescu: 'random botnet-ish requests show vague link to nsa in one blogger's estimation' is what i'd call it
mircea_popescu: which... jesus, you should see what's in my logs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0034994 = 0.28 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: actually, here :
ozbot: O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00349953 = 0.3465 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00349949 = 0.175 BTC [-]
Duffer1: so Obama called Putin to tell him the U.S. would never recognize the Crimea referendum. I can't imagine Putins response was anything other than "HAHAHHHAAHAHA"
mircea_popescu: or perhaps something along the lines of "Yes well, I once asked a married woman to my hotel room. She said no and yet showed up."
asciilifeform: fellow's a pro clown, for those who didn't know.
mircea_popescu: yeah but this time he hit on comedy.
asciilifeform: although some of his proposals are popular in russia. e.g., re-conquest of the baltics to use as nuke waste storage.
ozbot: Markets hang in the balance ahead of Fed decision
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5141 @ 0.00088721 = 4.5611 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 86 @ 0.00514875 = 0.4428 BTC [-] {7}
Hirethestache: Is it possible to send a wager to Bit et from Coinbase?
Hirethestache: BitBet*
mircea_popescu: just make sure you control the outbound address
mircea_popescu: (it asks you where should payment be sent if you win. make sure you own that address)
Duffer1: do you have confidence that coinbase will still be around by the time the bet resolves though..
Hirethestache: I've searched for a simple guide, but there are not many resources on the specific resolve
benkay: Duffer1: coinbase wouldn't have to be around by bet resolution, though.
benkay: Hirethestache: do you have your own bitcoin wallet?
Hirethestache: I do, more or less. I have my cold storage, but I use my small amount on CB for small transactions.
Duffer1: depends if he downloads the private keys or not
benkay: you might consider developing a workflow that includes owning your own bitcoins.
benkay: it's onerous, but most worthwhile things are.
Hirethestache: I'm mobile, and there are not any iOS apps for BTC wallets that I know about. I have my android with a small wallet, but it's not on me ATM.
benkay: do you not have a computer?
Hirethestache: I'm traveling, so no unfortunately not.
benkay: tough.
Hirethestache: Just my iPhone and nexus tablet, but I won't have access to the nexus for 48hours
benkay: you know the Nexus is trivially broken wide open and all storage read out, right?
benkay: (true of all phone-type-combudder things)
Hirethestache: Do you have any documentation on that? I need to look into that, definitely
benkay: no documentation necessary. it's not your hardware. it doesn't obey your commands. don't put your coins on it.
bitcoinpete: Partially inspired by freeroute:
benkay: spend 200 bucks on a linux netbook.
ozbot: IRC Yeshiva | When Bitcoin Met Pete
Hirethestache: Oh yeah, I don't have any coins directly on it. I have a small Coinbase account, a small amount on my nexus wallet, and everything else on a paper wallet in a safe
mircea_popescu: im with benkay. phones make poor wallets.
bitcoinpete: Also partially inspired by Rabbi bin Popescu's "a bug in the implementation of physicality" line.
mircea_popescu: having a few cents in there for convenience is fine, but don't go overboard
benkay: convenience? this is bitcoin!!!11
benkay: plan ahead, etc.
Hirethestache: I agree. I have about 3 on CB and two on my nexus
mircea_popescu: benkay as an experiment i put a privkey in a window at some point in 2012.
mircea_popescu: it was unspent after a week
Hirethestache: Another 12 on cold
benkay: you keep 2/21M of the monetary base on your phone?!
benkay: mircea_popescu: still unspent?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0008893 = 12.0056 BTC [+] {2}
test123: hello
mircea_popescu: benkay well that was a while ago.
Hirethestache: It's on the nexus which is wifi only, and I only go online when I need to use it for BTC. Two step aught still
mircea_popescu: hi test123
benkay: mircea_popescu: ...
benkay: mircea_popescu: i guess 2012's a while ago in buttyears
mircea_popescu: i eventually took it out, what.
test123: this is bitbet's forum?
benkay: test123: lotsa stuff happens here. some bitbet stuff as well.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete some history books are filled with pompoms
mircea_popescu: like "An Illustrated History of Pompoms, and the BonBons that Whore Them"
Hirethestache: But back to my original question, is there an easy way to send to bitbet from Coinbase? I wanna get in on this bet ASAP, but I only have my iPhone, ergo only have access to the Coinbase wallet
mircea_popescu: Hirethestache you can send from anywhere. just make sure you control the outbound address you specify.
mircea_popescu: that's why that's there.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu lmao I'll have to look for those next time I'm at the public library
test123: for that berkshire bet, why are people betting now- why not wait until just before betting closes, when bets aren't locked in?
mircea_popescu: because of the weight.
Hirethestache: Might have to email myself from my Coinbase and take the address out of the ema. That's the only workaround I can think of
mircea_popescu: Hirethestache if you say you have a cold wallet, you can just use that as a bitbet outbound address
benkay: Hirethestache: there are also brainwallets you could use
mircea_popescu: if you win it'll just be added to your cold wallet.
benkay: ^^ or that
mircea_popescu: compare 26-11-13 11:10Yes94`37011.0000000013kEx13.96254379 with 17-01-14 13:22Yes14`48210.0000000014NeT10.32864719
Hirethestache: Mircea, I don't have the cold storage addresses stored digitally anywhere
mircea_popescu: well that's maybe not so smart.
mircea_popescu: don't you ever want to check it ?
Hirethestache: Haven't had to, only had it for about two weeks
benkay: you may consider a dicelist and a deterministic wallet, Hirethestache.
benkay: ;;google dicelist
gribble: Diceware Passphrase Home: <http://www.diceware.com/>; Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Diceware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diceware>
mircea_popescu: ah, the two weeks, bitcoin's only true measure of time.
mircea_popescu: holy shit i rank for dicelist ?!
benkay: apparently.
mircea_popescu: such seo.
Hirethestache: My bitcoin lingo is now officially dead in the water. I really need to do more research. You think you know so much until you realize you don't.
benkay: honestly it's probably tuning itself for grbble queries, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: it must be.
mircea_popescu: but wait
mircea_popescu: no, it can't. cause it doesn't know what gribble clicks.
benkay: oh come on they can kinda infer that, right?
mircea_popescu: this is the perfect anon model, gribble googling. how would google ever figure it out ?
benkay: hm
benkay: perhaps clustering against gribble searches then, which weights trilema?
benkay: mad trilema-y searches from gribble.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2249 @ 0.0008887 = 1.9987 BTC [-]
benkay: Hirethestache: for how long are you traveling?
Hirethestache: 8 more days
benkay: ah, what's the rush.
Hirethestache: Bet ends in 7 haha
benkay: f'real?
test123: i see thanks- greater weight equals greater pay out at end if on winning side
mircea_popescu: test123 indeed.
bitcoinpete: Duffer1: beauty
mircea_popescu: it's all explained in the faw.
bitcoinpete: I'll bbl
Hirethestache: ^^hence the reason I'm so adamant about betting ASAP hah
Duffer1: ^.^
benkay: Hirethestache: 2015?
mircea_popescu: Hirethestache wait, you think the berkshire bet ends in a week or is this some other bet you're talking asbout
Hirethestache: It's not the warren buffet bet
benkay: hey jsbrekla text is not highlightable on bitbet homepage
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're travelling with no safe addresses and no way to make them you're sol.
Hirethestache: Although I do plan on betting on BRK
mircea_popescu: so for all the kids keeping score at home : always carry some safe addresses when travelling.
mircea_popescu: even if you can't spend out of them
benkay: one never knows when bitcoins are going to shower from the heavens
benkay: Hirethestache: if your bet closes in 7 days just use the CB address. they won't likely go out of business with so little fanfare.
mircea_popescu: it'll just get comingled won't it ?
Hirethestache: Yeah, you guys are schooling me on my knowledge, or lack thereof, of proper BTC safety
benkay: welcome to -assets.
benkay: mircea_popescu Hirethestache doesn't CB allocate users a specific receipt address?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea i never used the thing
benkay: mircea_popescu Hirethestache i'm suggesting using the user-specific inbound address.
Duffer1: they don't make it obvious, but i believe they do, let me check
Hirethestache: I need to go back to BTC school
benkay: this is BTC school Hirethestache
mircea_popescu: what;s a stache anyway
benkay: bitcoinpete.com/2014/irc-yeshiva/ Hirethestache
benkay: moustache
mircea_popescu: too obvious
mircea_popescu: "Being quiet and studious is broadly unknown in a western culture that prizes “views”, “likes” and the inane extraversion required to generate them." no see, that's attacking people's self esteem.
Duffer1: Hirethestache it appears coinbase keeps track of all addresses generated by your transactions (they appear to use a new address for every deposit/withdrawl) you can view them under Account Settings - Bitcoin Addresses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00088958 = 13.1658 BTC [+]
Duffer1: hirethestache money sent to any of those addresses in that list will probably be credited to your CB account, but i'm not 100% on that, by trying to dumb it down for the average person they make it way more complicated...
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is practical for them.
mircea_popescu: if they have 1k customers that make 1k transactions each that's 1mn addresses they have to keep track of
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem toscale too well.
benkay: it's a rails stack, who said anything about scaling?
mircea_popescu: lord have mercy.
benkay: none.
benkay: they're in a tough spot. they're guaranteeing cold storage for customer funds, but also that they can send funds on demand. this requires they commingle, which is anathema.
mircea_popescu: i don't see that it's such anathema.
mircea_popescu: put eggs in basked, watch basket.
benkay: maybe allowing ones funds to be so commingled is anathema.
benkay: maybe trusting others with ones coins.
benkay: specifically, silly-con valley bank.
benkay: that is *definitely* anathema.
mircea_popescu: ya well, i don't personally trust them so i have no use for them on these lines, but in principle what can you do.
benkay: ruby on rails = bitcoin marble pillars
mircea_popescu: seems there's a progression at work, php -> ruby ->
mircea_popescu: sorta like the people involved, 22 -> 25 ->
benkay: oh man php
benkay: subject of php
benkay: client has app and backend they brought my firm on to shephard into app store and reverse-engineer an SDK out of.
benkay: backend in php 'cause what else
benkay: when it comes time to compare hashes, guess what happens.
mircea_popescu: hahaha php-collision ?
Duffer1: magic?
benkay: (NO SERIOUSLY ARE THESE STRINGS EQUAL)
mircea_popescu: benkay easy way to solve problem : hash precompare.
mircea_popescu: if (md5(a) = md5(b))
benkay: man
mircea_popescu: i tell you :D
hirethestache: got my hands on my nexus.
benkay: i don't even php, so i don't know how hard you're trolling right now
benkay: wouldn't be surprised if that call was something along the lines of "are these both thingers in memory? great! return true."
mircea_popescu: i don't know how hard im trolling either, tbh, but i figure it should be somewhere between my penis and a brick wall.
benkay: anyways, love these guys. smart fuckers. tough sell on the job is going to be lisp and not haskell for the backend.
benkay: although maybe we'll all learn some haskell and learn something about strongly typed systems.
benkay: mircea_popescu re: hardness http://oglaf.com/habeas-corpus/
diametric: mircea_popescu: quite the commotion you you started with that bet
mircea_popescu: turns out im good at that.
diametric: i like it, all the anti-mp people were out in full force on reddit
diametric: "the guy that runs bitbet made the bet and he's a scammer!" many lols were had.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, there's people out there claiming that obama is smart and putin good looking
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't i have people that claim im a scammer
diametric: haha
steven-__: reddit has been in quality free fall for 4-5 years same goes for hn
mircea_popescu: i find it hard to believe reddit ever had any qyality to begin with
diametric: honestly its just a degradation of the signal to noise ratio that happens in any online community that gains popularity with the masses.
mircea_popescu: back when digg still existed reddit was where the furies gathered
mircea_popescu: then conde nast bought it and it became sorta-popular with the majored-in-business crowd i guess
diametric: mircea_popescu: when is your bitcoin conference?
mircea_popescu: later april
benkay: the furies?
benkay: ah.
mircea_popescu: reddit con
benkay: i was seeing mythical things.
steven-__: i wonder if the pants are just to hide the dick holes you know they have
diametric: i tend not to judge others on harmless stuff, though that shit must be uncomfortable as fuck to wear.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20338 @ 0.00089073 = 18.1157 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: diametric what's harm to do with anything ? i'd rather take a smoker than someone who watches tv.
mircea_popescu: others are to be judged on aesthetic criteria
diametric: to what end though, i don't really care if people dress up like animals and fuck each other if they want too. I think its weird, but I would not consider myself a better person than they on that alone.
mircea_popescu: but i mean how do you judge another ?
mircea_popescu: what they consider beautiful would seem a major consideration
asciilifeform: i sorta wonder if the animal costumes are an anonymity thing
diametric: a consideration for what? I mean, sure its something I might factor in if its relevant to the situation, but I wouldn't dismiss someone simple because of that.
mircea_popescu: really ?
diametric: I do dismiss people that inflict harm on others, despite whatever else they might have to offer
mircea_popescu: i can't see how i could take seriously someone with poor taste.
mircea_popescu: so they inflict harm, what of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it may even be a chicken and egg thing. maybe the pedestrian anonimity thing comes from the suits.
asciilifeform: just the theory, there might be folks who haven't the courage, but different matter when in the wolf suit.
mircea_popescu: diametric i mean what, you can't be friends with a war veteran ?
diametric: its a fetish. some people like feet, some people like anal gaping, some people like making scrambled eggs compromised of equal parts chicken eggs and semen. those guys like dressing up like animals and fucking. I think anonymity is incidental
asciilifeform: (i personally don't know anyone who does this particular thing, so i can only guess)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah it's a lot more diffuse than that. i suspect many of them actually worked in a job that required them to dress as an animal. they do that for parties/disne\yland etc.
mircea_popescu: for whatever reason the thing stuck, because most of these kids are unemployable save for some fantasy enacting
asciilifeform: never knew a pro clown either, perhaps to my detriment
mircea_popescu: ("i'm not really a waitress, i'm just on my way to the newsweek stint")
diametric: mircea_popescu: I see your point, maybe not harm at its basic level. Intent has a lot to do with it.
mircea_popescu: the costumes make the fantasy easier.
mircea_popescu: diametric is this something you've considered systematically or not really ?
diametric: nah its not something i spend a lot of time thinking about.
mircea_popescu: it shows.
diametric: oh i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: fwiw i dun think most furries actually do any fucking
Mats_cd03: diametric then you will always be vulnerable to those willing to xommit violence
mircea_popescu: in or out of costume.
diametric: i spread myself too thin honestly, i have a wide range of interests but never enough time to fully explore them.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't intimating you're a bad person or anything.
diametric: I didn't take it as such
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the d ever gives out furry prons
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1379 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.1200% in 8d 14h 30m 21s
diametric: where does .bait get its porn from?
Mats_cd03: .bait
diametric: I had always assumed it was some personal collection of pictures.
mircea_popescu: must be following some tumblr feed but no diea.
mircea_popescu: the problem with making women go barefoot in town
mircea_popescu: that black shit requires a belt sander to get off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.000893 = 1.2502 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: neways that's all for me. have fun everyone!
Duffer1: later man
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 273 @ 0.00349936 = 0.9553 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00330156 = 0.1156 BTC [-] {3}
diametric: asciilifeform: so that pod i got off ebay works on the logic analyzer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00449493 = 0.1348 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06907062 = 0.2763 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06899997 = 0.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00088991 = 6.1849 BTC [-]
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