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copypaste: mircea_popescu: do you enjoy argentina?
copypaste: i want another passport
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assbot: “SPV mining” is the solution, not the problem | Bitslog ... ( http://bit.ly/1JywhIi )
shinohai: daf uq?
shinohai: Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain.
adlai: it's actually not a tweet, there's an entire article following the title
mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the people are idiots on an african level, and on the whole on their own strength on the open market not worth the price of a decent burial.
mircea_popescu: this, from what i hear, should be no change from the fillipines.
copypaste: i want to renounce my passport before the USG goes under because such event, which i think will happen in my lifetime, will make me stateless
copypaste: but you can't renounce your US citizenship before acquiring another one
mircea_popescu: so then it's perfect for you.
copypaste: the USG is already so bankrupt that it stopped adding passport pages, you have to pay them for a whole new passport
copypaste: they also are not issuing passports if they think you owe them money
assbot: Extra Visa Pages no Longer Issued Effective January 1, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJesXy )
assbot: Overdue taxes? You could lose your U.S. passport - Nov. 20, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJeu1o )
mircea_popescu: iirc that was discussed in the logs
mircea_popescu: been on for a while. (and was predicted a year or two before it happened, also in the log)
copypaste: the thing about the pages is what surprises me...
copypaste: they say that it's to follow "international standards" and to make the passport more "secure"
mircea_popescu: ya well.
copypaste: i fail to see how it increases security at all
mircea_popescu: i'm romanian, i never gave a shit.
copypaste: Romania, now that's a good passport
mircea_popescu: yeah. lulziest case of the hare and the turtle ever. all my life that i can remember romanians thought it's the worst
mircea_popescu: then it turned out... one of the better that exist.
copypaste: the Philippine passport is one of the worst
mircea_popescu: i imagine.
copypaste: you get visa free access to some countries in Africa, its neighbors in Asia (but not any of the actually important ones - like China or Japan), and some south american countries
copypaste: and that's all
mircea_popescu: british is prolly the worst, largest selection of people who hate them
copypaste: eh, i would say that the US passport is by far the worst
copypaste: when people ask which country i am from anad they are strangers, I say Canada
copypaste: simply to avoid any confrontation
mircea_popescu: lol funny thing : while i was in costa rica i was considering going to new zealand. went to british consulate that handled the whole slew of dominions, woman told me i need a visa. was all wtf'd, wrote to the ro exterior minister at the time (young guy from my party) going wtf. the VERY NEXT DAY it was announced the visa requirement was mutually dropped.
copypaste: it was one of the better ones before they made these new rules
mircea_popescu: a week latter the letter arrived, and he was like... bwhahahahaha.
copypaste: haha
copypaste: New Zealand seems nice, but how they treat Kim Dotcom will show their true colors
mircea_popescu: eh it's bullshit. this was before the earthquake.
copypaste: Now Australia on the other hand, fuck that entire continent
mircea_popescu: and before the japan stove incident.
copypaste: hehe
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copypaste: have you ever seen "The Terminal", with Tom Hanks?
copypaste: well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year
copypaste: i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under
mircea_popescu: lol prescience.
copypaste: except instead of just letting potentially thousands of people stick around in an airport, they'll just be loaded in a cargo plane and dumped over whatever remains of the midwest :p
copypaste: so, i would like to acquire another citizenship before that happens :D
mircea_popescu: experience shows that it never pays to wait to be shat on by the corporate fiction that supposedly owns you.
mircea_popescu: it behooves one to be part of the group that stabs the thing to death and drinks its blood.
mircea_popescu: much much better to be, if not one of odovacer's men, at least any of the other "barbarian"'s retinue than to hang out with the so-called "count" bracilla at ravenna.
mircea_popescu: kako's humour is infectious!
asciilifeform: 'To paraphrase: “It may seem weird that we’re holding collateral on your account and offering you a loan, but that was not a mistake! You’re still eligible. Contact me if interested.”'
asciilifeform: coming soon to a nato bank near you!!11
asciilifeform: 'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.'
asciilifeform: 'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, Gün Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about “SPV Mining”...'
asciilifeform: srsly, szabo was there ?
asciilifeform: IS WAS sad.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.' << this is how any serious mob works, really.
asciilifeform: no shit
mircea_popescu: can't sell "your" barber shop, but yah you can have a little money to "see you through a rough spot"
mircea_popescu: vig y compris.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i used to like szabo a lot more. but omfg, then i read some of his stuff.
mircea_popescu: iirc one piece even in the log.
asciilifeform: i can easily believe that he has descended into... this
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 11:18:42; copypaste: and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/
copypaste: asciilifeform: what in your opinion is the real problem?
asciilifeform for example has a passport, fat lot of good it does
asciilifeform: copypaste: same thing as in africa. the poverty, of every kind, that leads to no other port being in any hurry to invite you in
asciilifeform: copypaste: mega-bureaucracies don't really give much of a fuck whether their public site stays up, they fall down routinely. and at this point are all 'cloudflared' anyway.
copypaste: thus, using the MX record
copypaste: you can't "cloudflare" your email server
copypaste: as far as i know, at least
asciilifeform: these folks don't do much emailing outside of the grounds
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362773 << aslr is not the correct term (it refers to os-level address space randomization)
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 04:14:58; punkman: ben_vulpes: some kind of aslr? I think we had a thread about it, but can't find it now
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 04:19:45; phf: ben_vulpes: you call that thing like void foo(args) { IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK(foo(args)); ...}, static makes nLoops shared, so the logic is, you set it to some random value between 1 and 21 and then recurse down that many times, "randomizing" the stack
asciilifeform: 'mitigation'.
asciilifeform: 'let's throw broken bottles around everywhere, enemy might trip on one !'
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 11:16:09; mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa.
asciilifeform: that ~mircea_popescu~ can get one 'for a few grand', i can readily believe
asciilifeform: he can probably get a nuke for a couple grand.
asciilifeform: but can a human ?
copypaste: haha, indeed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record, you're talking to a guy with an actual record of up-and-getting-out
copypaste: the requirement on the books for an Argentine passport is 2 years residency
copypaste: quite a low residency requirement, copared to other countries
mircea_popescu: you should prolly spend more time asking questions than sprouting sententiousness.
asciilifeform: copypaste: yeah that's what i thought
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was a question. can ~i~ walk in with a few $k and get it.
asciilifeform: like buying milk.
copypaste: compared to Philippines, where the requirement is 10; unless you get married (Philippines has no divorce, only country other than Vatican City with no divorce laws on the books, or even in Congress)
mircea_popescu: no, not like buying milk.
copypaste: if you're married the requirement is 5
mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina has no abortion.
copypaste: neither does Philippines
copypaste: no abortion or divorce :D
mircea_popescu: fortunately uruguay is right there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha! you said 'not like buying milk'
asciilifeform: this means peopleskillz, no??11
mircea_popescu: were you fishing for a nail to hang your explanation on ?
mircea_popescu: no dude. it means hiring a lawyer.
mircea_popescu: you don't buy new teeth like buying milk, either.
mircea_popescu: gotta hire a dentist.
copypaste: now this is true
asciilifeform: ah so it is like in usa, but with a couplea zeros shaved off the price
copypaste: in the third world a lawyer can make miracles happen
mircea_popescu: a coupla couples.
copypaste: lawyers typically know exactly who to bribe, saving you the trouble of finding out yourself
copypaste: (and perhaps bribing the only autist in the country, thereby landing yourself in jail)
mircea_popescu: more or less. in this case it's mostly because you probably don't speak spanish to a level acceptable in court.
copypaste: i come close
mircea_popescu: then you mgiht diy.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362849 << this did not happen with sov citizens. normally there is some bantustan which is in an immediate hurry to lay claim to the fragments of the old empire
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:48; copypaste: i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under
asciilifeform: whether the bantustan passport does you any good, is separate question
asciilifeform: but it is actually possible not to end up with one
asciilifeform: i, for instance, never got a ru passport.
copypaste: so you have a soviet passport only ?
asciilifeform: not even. children didn't get passports.
copypaste: so you've never left russia then?
copypaste: how?
asciilifeform: with parents.
asciilifeform: is how this worked.
copypaste: i see.
copypaste: in USA, you are required to even get passports for your kids
copypaste: even if they are infants
copypaste: otherwise, they cannot come with you
asciilifeform: in usa passport is a travel document
copypaste: sure
asciilifeform: in su - was identifying document that, with some extra verbiage stamped on, doubled as travel passport
copypaste: actually, once i got mine i started using it as an identification document, which would lead to weird looks
copypaste: due to the main ID document in USA being a driver's license
copypaste: but due to my disability, i do not drive
copypaste: you can get a "non drivers driver license" (real name), but the line was so long and i already had a passport
asciilifeform: folks who do not drive in usa typically get issued peculiar non-driving driver's license
asciilifeform: it is stamped 'not valid for driving' or the like
copypaste: yes, i happened to have recieved the passport before the other one
copypaste: so i just never got the other one
copypaste: since the passport sufficed, even at banks
copypaste: i haven't been in the USA since 2014 though
asciilifeform: phun phakt, most folks in usaschwitz have no passport.
asciilifeform: they don't need it.
asciilifeform: (where to go? and why?)
copypaste: well, the world is much larger than the USA
copypaste: to get a job, just to travel, plenty of reasons
asciilifeform: l0l! job?! would ~you~ employ such a person ?
asciilifeform: to do what ?
copypaste: i got mine to meet an online friend i'd had since i was a small child
asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines
copypaste: typically, doctors, engineers, and so on
copypaste: no need to hire the lowest common denominator in the US, but there are plenty (well, some) intellectuals perhaps worth hiring
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> they don't need it. << yes but the problem is in their head.
mircea_popescu: !up kristapsk
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mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX73jDVU0AA4l4R.jpg:large << the reason pimps use main bitches is that no thing on god's earth is or ever could be as hard on a cocksucker as another cocksucker just like her.
punkman: copypaste: you can't "cloudflare" your email server << half the startups point their mx to gmail
punkman: asciilifeform: srsly, szabo was there ? << I'm surprised how many szabos have joined the blockchain-tards
mircea_popescu: yup. that's the idea there.
mircea_popescu: all mail must be gmail.
punkman: even Koblitz joined Ethereum
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362766 << they're plus size MODELS. not plus size women. like saying this is a very tall ant. no, it doesn't mean it's a two meter tall ant.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 03:59:00; punkman: those don't look plus-size
mircea_popescu: anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos.
mircea_popescu: i doubt the notion went away.
mircea_popescu: heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed.
punkman: plus-size to me means so big you have to go to the one special plus-size clothes store, because nobody else has enough fabric to cover your ass.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362804 << or they could just go back to paypal, which is exactly what that is.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 10:43:35; shinohai: Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: yes, but when i hire women to be women, as opposed to do any actual job, i have strict standards. hence the "over 180 cm tall, exactly 19 bmi, etc"
mircea_popescu: the standards may vary, but rarely.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns.
mircea_popescu: i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?
mircea_popescu: o look, slimfast. lol.
punkman: mircea_popescu: and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns. << I bet there's a lot more than those
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punkman: shinohai, what was that qr code?
shinohai: probably someone's addy, I didnt scan it\
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 12:12:13; mircea_popescu: no dude. it means hiring a lawyer.
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_butugychag
ben_vulpes: good morning
ascii_butugychag: guten morgen herr vulpes
ben_vulpes: und dich, stas
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362989 << this is an ancient evil. see aol 'keywords' and similar
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:01:34; mircea_popescu: anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362974 << l0l, you would hire an american doctor if you had a choice? or engineer ?
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 12:21:37; copypaste: typically, doctors, engineers, and so on
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362985 << non-gmail (and non-microshit, etc.) has been more or less exterminated
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:00:18; mircea_popescu: all mail must be gmail.
copypaste: i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them
copypaste: so if they had to choose between a filipino doctor, or american doctor, they'd go for the american
ascii_butugychag: (some of the larger megacorps still run own mail, but along more or less same principles as gmail)
copypaste: that's also why many cognoscenti here all studied abroad
copypaste: it's "worth" more
ascii_butugychag: copypaste: this plague is ubiquitous in the 'orc' world
ascii_butugychag: problem is that their notion of 'american' comes from 1980s vhs tapes
ascii_butugychag: (as mine did)
copypaste: indeed
copypaste: i'm not saying their beliefs are accurate, but inaccurate beliefs held dearly still affect their actions
ascii_butugychag: actual americans are similar to filiponos but with fewer life skills and less resilient to stressors
ascii_butugychag: *filipinos
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:26; mircea_popescu: i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available
ascii_butugychag: just barely drinkable
ascii_butugychag: sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea
copypaste: also ascii_butugychag, you moved the goalposts. the CIA and FBI don't use gmail, and that's who we were talking about as far as A records are concerned
copypaste: it's true that most emails are internal, but surely they aren't all
copypaste: for example, FBI agent asking NSA for a record
copypaste: NSA asking FBI if he wants to go to a BBQ
ascii_butugychag: copypaste: it will happen over siprnet or the like
copypaste: i'm sure they'd notice quickly if fbi.gov mail went down
ascii_butugychag: not over ddosnet
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:32; copypaste: well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year
copypaste: yes davout, based on a true story
ascii_butugychag: copypaste: usg has own 'wan'
ascii_butugychag: that is, iirc, largely carried over dedicated wires
copypaste: ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting
ascii_butugychag: but sure, the clerks also have 'human' email
ascii_butugychag: typically runs on microshit.
ben_vulpes: infuckingvariably.
ben_vulpes: hospitals idem
ben_vulpes: hallmark of tentacle-entites is blue text in html emails.
davout: " Alfred Mehran », est un réfugié iranien qui a vécu dans le terminal 1 de l'aéroport Roissy-Charles de Gaulle du 8 août 1988 jusqu'en août 2006 (soit 18 ans)1, date à laquelle il a été hospitalisé pour une cause inconnue."
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ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362991 << hey, nintendo doesn't expose filesystem either! and nobody seems to complain...
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:02:12; mircea_popescu: heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed.
ben_vulpes: god bless coredata
ben_vulpes: because i really wanted a shitty wrapper around shitqlite
punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.
shinohai: I feel your shipping frustrations punkman, I made an order from a guy on 12/27 he marked my order shipped then told me yesterday he had logistics issues and didn't.
punkman: shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping
shinohai: ikr I paid the extra $12 in BTC for priority too :/
shinohai: I could have ordered the shit from some seedy Chinese person and already have gotten it here.
davout: punkman: get your fucking pilot's license
davout: (which is an entirely different thing than pilot fucking license mind you)
kakobrekla: well i sent two packs of condoms to thailand about 2 weeks ago, arrived in ~3 days, from eu.
davout: lolwut
shinohai: Where to kakobrekla, phuket ?
kakobrekla: to Chiang mai
punkman: in other shipping mysteries, I ordered some widget from China in August I think, there was a non-working tracking no., 45 days later I ask merchant what's up with it, says they were actually out of stock at time of order, didn't even ship it and they won't be getting any more stock from factory. Couple days ago, I get a notice from post office with that tracking no.
kakobrekla: a friend went there for a few months and they dont have condoms that would fit him there
punkman: lol
davout: lol
punkman: only two packs though?
kakobrekla: two ten packs yeah.
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jurov: i never actually saw chinese post tracking site working
jurov: at most i get chinese message that yields (via google translator) "currently not available"
punkman: at best you get a date when the thing left china, and it usually shows up on local post office tracking too
mircea_popescu: <copypaste> i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them <<< this happens to also be right.
punkman: also they often ship through other countries like hong-kong, so you might get better results going to one of those 3rd party tracking sites that check many companies at once
copypaste: mircea_popescu: let me qualify that further, americans
mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, vhs tapes.
copypaste: because i'm ill, i go to doctors a lot. it's cheap in the third world, and they write me prescriptions for things that are hard to get in the US. so anyway, i always go see chinese doctors.
copypaste: there are american doctors which see foreigners, and also filipinos who studied in america
copypaste: but i prefer seeing chinese doctors.
jurov: copypaste: if you have hungarian ancestors, you can get their passport, too
copypaste: i have ukranian ancestors
mircea_popescu: chinese the new jew huh
jurov: copypaste: the part that was former "large hungary" counts, too
jurov: hungarians are funny as that
copypaste: oh wow
mircea_popescu: lol. hungarians are what, 60% living abroad by now ?
copypaste: part of hungary is in ukraine
mircea_popescu: copypaste wouldn't advise it tho, highest suicide rate outside of japan.
copypaste: (the old hungary at least)
copypaste: i'll think about it. i bet my mother has proof of her mother's USSR citizenship
copypaste: (ukraine)
copypaste: and if it's in the area of greater hungary, that would be an awesome, free way to get a passport :D
punkman: we don't have foreign doctors here, but people are prejudice against doctors that have foreign medical degrees from Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania, Italy and others.
jurov: !v ascii_butugychag
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
jurov: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: that's ridiculous. romania is way better for medicine than pretty much everything else in that part of the world.
mircea_popescu: france, germany etc y compris.
ascii_butugychag: jurov: afaik you still have to live there for a while, to get ukr passport
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i have yet to meet a greek professional who wasn't a) actually jewish and b) abroad.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag there's worse ways to pass the time than with the sluts of budapest.
ascii_butugychag: was thinking of .ua
mircea_popescu: why ua ? he's not trying to get ork citizensheep
jurov: ascii_butugychag: i only know it was targeted to hu minorities that never lived in any version of hu
ascii_butugychag: ah i misread
mircea_popescu: <ascii_butugychag> sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea << quite exactly lol! i wonder if this is actually what they were shooting for.
ascii_butugychag: i dare say it was
ascii_butugychag: just like american 'non-fat milk'
mircea_popescu: <copypaste> ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting << eh he's making shit up. usg doesn't have own pot to piss in.
ascii_butugychag: is exactly like what you get when you wash a bottle from normal milk
copypaste: how hard is it to fake being a jew?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: siprnet et al exist
mircea_popescu: heck, the tanks the us army "deploys" are all rentals.
copypaste: maybe i really am one, i could have a jewish ancestor
copypaste: i could get an israeli passport
copypaste: wouldn't that be fun
copypaste: i should research my family tree
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: runs over, iirc, sprint's infrastructure (earlier, classical at&t)
mircea_popescu: punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D
ascii_butugychag: i would like to live in the parallel universe mircea_popescu is posting from
ascii_butugychag: where american tanks are rentals
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag they get repossessed more often than rent-a-cars!
ascii_butugychag recalls the german division which operated wholly sov tanks
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> to Chiang mai <<< doing his part to stop global... warming.
thestringpuller: So rumor has it. Bitpay can't get another round of funding with current leadership.
thestringpuller: Although the VC's won't publicly condemn the leadership.
mircea_popescu: to no-one's surprise that's been following the discussion here.
ascii_butugychag: has mit covered the shortfall yet ?
ascii_butugychag: or will it be stanford this time? princeyaleton?
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the usg works. they ain't got a pot to piss in, and consequently won't be actually coverin gany shortfalls. all they got is a whole lot of pretense based on a whole lot of puffery.
mircea_popescu: so if you're willing to not ask for the shortfall be covered, they're willing to blabla MIT !1 bla bla bla around you.
mircea_popescu: that's as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: much like the junior high fuck club.
ascii_butugychag sadly knows how usg works
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D << probably gonna be worse in the places I'd like to live at next
mircea_popescu: you don't get any cunt, but you do get to hang out with a bunch of obnoxious teens who act as if you did.
ascii_butugychag: usg has, like or not, plenty of money to throw around. i have seen the golden toilets.
ascii_butugychag: not every single clerk is sitting on them, true
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 16:53:36; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo now that pair is actually trying to resurect bitcoin magazine again, a blow by blow history of exactly how bitpay & the scam foundation stole that magazine from its owners a coupla years ago would be quite topical. the forum's got a pile of posts, see vladimir's stuff, maybe even interview him.
ascii_butugychag: i finally realized, though, where mircea_popescu gets his odd notions of usg life
ascii_butugychag: he talks to the chix
ascii_butugychag: who, yes, live in the cube farmz.
mircea_popescu: i fuck their daughters, trophy wives et all.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: thought you might have, at $rupturefarmz << Funny how Oddworld is the first result when put 'Rupture Farms' into google
ascii_butugychag: 'trophy wife' implies brass ?
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 17:37:34; mircea_popescu: there's a ton of bitpay exceptionalism / captn of industry-ism flooding out of reddit. in point of fact, bitpay is a struggling start-up that missed the boat.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag well... yeah, it does.
thestringpuller: ;;google rupture farms
gribble: Rupture Farms - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rupture-Farms/187904211240564>; Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty - Rupture Farms Speed Run Walkthrough ...: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsebfE9ePKo>; Oddworld Abe's Oddysee Rupture Farms Intro PS1 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRoyc2LKRg>
thestringpuller: google you suck
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: no this is correct
ascii_butugychag: it is from that piece
ascii_butugychag: 'they say it's the biggest meat processing plant on oddworld....'
ascii_butugychag: in other nyooz, 'It looks like lxr.linux.no has closed without notice some time during the first half of 2014. Whether there is a backup of LXRng is unknown.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2865 @ 0.00049161 = 1.4085 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Search · lxrng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1n83XT9 )
deedbot-: [Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/
assbot: My son wants to make money. My daughter wants to marry a rich prince. Here’s the problem. | No Idea What I'm Doing: A Daddy Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1n84dl4 )
deedbot-: [Trilema] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://trilema.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << Unilever collects brands once owned by dying businesses for the supermarket shelf space.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah a sort of iab for fmcg, i know.
BingoBoingo: It's just amazing the way the typical supermarket makes more money selling shelf space than it does selling... products.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo: Because who wants to be a shopkeep when you can be a landlord
mircea_popescu: kinda how the world works. typical strip club makes more money selling titshelf space than it does selling booze
thestringpuller: https://github.com/ZoomT/bitcoin/commit/a87d5ab2c703c524428197df53607c2235c417f3#diff-7ec3c68a81efff79b6ca22ac1f1eabbaR3101 << so if the block is empty, what's the point? miners can just mine empty transactions pushing all other data to another data structure without breaking anything?
mircea_popescu: the march of "civilisation". replace things with the fetish of things, items with tokens "representing" items and so on.
mircea_popescu: the road to perdition is paved with ever increased abstractions.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud bsw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bsw | Saw a BSW walking downtown but didn't stop, thought LE was nearby. ... BSW. Bitch Slut Whore; Someone who is annoying in many different ways; Nickname.
thestringpuller: Hmmm. So node would broadcast tx and would never see it confirm...that's broken behavior imo.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << In southern IL UPS is the worst. Mega UPS hubs in Chicago means packages routinely bounce between CAHS and World Port before ending up in Danville before coming anywhere near St Louis.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 16:29:02; deedbot-: [Trilema] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://trilema.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/
assbot: Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8cy8n )
adlai: thestringpuller:i'd rather have miners publishing empty blocks instead of confirming nickle-fee TXs, than have them blindly hand over what little power they do have to some random plutocracy
shinohai: Might this grow into a protracted battle?
mircea_popescu: i really don't see how.
mircea_popescu: afaik a registrar has the authority to do exactly nothing. that said, i suppose they may try to steal the domain. not like similar stuff hasn't happened in the past (anyone recall the sex.com saga ?)
BingoBoingo: In other news revamped my desk's noise generators. Instead of ~150 CFM of external fan, ~11 CFM is now producing adequate noise to cool machine.
mircea_popescu: lol adequate noise to coll machine.
BingoBoingo: Turns out better thermal grease actually does make a big difference
mircea_popescu: it does.
thestringpuller: adlai: i'd rather not have to choose between multiple bowls of shit for dinner.
BingoBoingo: Couldn't use the stuff with silver because surface mounted stuff on chip not covered by metal cap. Still about 10C cooler than yesterday.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 01:38:57; mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes.
assbot: #49149 (Current install of qt4-mac 4.8.7_2 fails to install qmake) – MacPorts ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8dREc )
kakobrekla: some if not most silver thermal pastes dont actually conduct electricity
ascii_butugychag: 'It does install qmake, just not where it was installed before. ..... This change was made to allow parallel install of qt4 and qt5 (and, possible, other qt# variations). If you're having issues with other ports that depend on qt4-mac, please open a ticket for each and/or list them here & we will work hard to get them fixed promptly.
ascii_butugychag: '... We knew this change would break other ports, but given that there are some 100 ports that depend on qt4-mac, we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding.'
mircea_popescu: i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what do you suppose a resistor is made of ?
mircea_popescu: ceramics ?
ascii_butugychag: take the paste, take ohmmeter, see
ascii_butugychag: doesn't so much matter that it is a paste.
mircea_popescu: by this theory a good way to make a window is by mixing diamonds in the concrete.
ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: if you're looking for something to do with those old mac laptops, openbsd 5.8 runs like a dream on 'em
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: this is not an old laptop
ascii_butugychag: this is butugychag laptop.
mircea_popescu: bluish hue ?
ascii_butugychag: and if your 'runs like a dream' doesn't include motherfucking suspend mode, i'm not interested
kakobrekla: what ascii is saying, take water and measure conductivity while gradually adding salts, but silver pastes are [mostly] safe in this user case
kakobrekla: distilled water that is.
mircea_popescu: and what if i take distilled water and add silver shavings ?
ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: i'll check in on zzz and ZZZ, ascii_butugychag
kakobrekla: they will sink :)
mircea_popescu: " we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding." << what the fuck are we understanding ? that the kids don't belong anywhere near a computer, off to the farm ?
adlai: thestringpuller: "you eat [bowls] of shit for [dinner]?"
ben_vulpes: bsd suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk iiuc
assbot: oleganza comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8fbqE )
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally does your desktop do "suspend mode" ? if not why not ?
mircea_popescu: linton_s_dawson funny that all the poorfags are so preoccupied with THIS nowadays, huh.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: desktop doesn't go in motherfucking briefcase
ben_vulpes: also, this machine is not suited to be a portable anymore.
adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3"
ben_vulpes: aged, delicate, valuable. should be treated as such.
ben_vulpes will be acquiring more vintage hardware in this vein
adlai: (it deals with wtf "hard" and "soft" forking means, which most derps seem to assume they understand)
ascii_butugychag: and if the windows don't go back to their places when different sets of monitors are unplugged and re-plugged, also not interested
ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: sounds like a problem for your window manager
ben_vulpes: x11 wms do this better than os x does.
ascii_butugychag: and i'm not interested in spending ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKING SIX MONTHS fighting the graphics card driver
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: on WHICH portable gpu ?
ascii_butugychag: does x11 run worth SHIT
ben_vulpes: i doubt it's leveraging the gpu at all
ben_vulpes: listen, i just want a machine that's not running os x with the hardware quality build of the golden-era macintosh laptops.
ben_vulpes: if that means working in terminals or not using any chrome in x11, so be it.
ascii_butugychag: keep in mind, if there aren't at least 2880 pixels horizontally, i'm not interested.
ascii_butugychag: and i can't maths in a terminal.
mircea_popescu: i can maths in my sleep!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything << Apparently with silver colloid a concern is possibility of becoming capacitive after cooking long enough. Silver is always a special case because grand chamption conductor
ascii_butugychag: go generate 10,000 node flow graph in your sleep, thx
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag that's not math that's kandinsky.
ben_vulpes: anyways, your penchant for finding what is wrong with anything aside, openbsd happily supplants os x on mac hardware. for those willing to endure some pain to get away from the shitgnomes, and who have not been obsessively tending a gentoo installation since 1999.
ascii_butugychag: 'some pain'
ascii_butugychag: as in, NOTHING which i actually ~need~ on the job, works
ben_vulpes: life is suffering.
ascii_butugychag: but that's ok, broomstick, aha?
ben_vulpes: either under the reign of steve or others.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo but you dont smear it over the whole cpu do you ? an also you can just tape over any elect conducting parts, no?
ben_vulpes: this is not a machine for $work
ascii_butugychag: i get paid to make xyz happen. and the budget makes provisions for shooting, say, up to six rabid weasels. BUT NOT 6,666,666.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone can conceive of any reason NOT to have an apple-microsoft merger ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: same reason today as in 1997
ascii_butugychag: ceremonial antitrust
ascii_butugychag: (ditto intel & amd)
ascii_butugychag: also each relies on the good-cop/bad-cop symbiosis
mircea_popescu: i bet you i could justify 100mn in bonuses for myself + 1-2bn in consulting fees for everyone involved doing a hp-compaq deal out of these two
mircea_popescu: then some dumb broad could preside over it to get all the social media femitards hot and bothered
mircea_popescu: and then... welll... ibm is still arouind, right ?
ascii_butugychag: would you also try to merge... the products ?
ascii_butugychag: because wtf
mircea_popescu: what products ?
mircea_popescu: ms always wanted a phone, apple always wanted an os.
mircea_popescu: it's automerged.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I did the make a dot and let the heatsink smash it into place thing. There is a tape shim that goes over rest of CPU already, but old paste found its way under there before I removed it.
ascii_butugychag: 'apple always wanted an os' -- is mircea_popescu posting from 1995 ?
mircea_popescu: eh spare me. they don't have an os.
mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
adlai: mircea_popescu: "illusion of choice" aka pretty much the only talent that .il still encourages youngsters to hone... salesmanship
mircea_popescu: pfff. nobody actively makes that choice anymore. it's like encouraging the choice of stick vs nonstick driving.
mircea_popescu: forget it.
mircea_popescu: the people who run "whatever i just want to" and the people who "fuck you, drop dead" are the only remaining division, and in this context the two staying unmerged is nonsensical.
adlai knows at least one person who graduated from not-choosing to linux, and that's one-too-many for moloch
BingoBoingo: * adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3" << Make a blog point this out. If ben_vulpes can blog so can you.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's still recovering from the castrating influence of bad parenting, doesn't quite feel at ease rubbing loser's nose in their own shit.
adlai: the trouble with a blog is that it rapidly fills up with your own bullshit. people get so sick of my bullshit at ~100x dilution, in here; imagine how bad it'd get in my own garden
mircea_popescu: for all you know chicks will read it and fill your inbox with written tits.
mircea_popescu: happened to me.
BingoBoingo: adlai: But shitting in your own garden is actually beneficial. The plants like it.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Anyways wouldn't writing a simple CL blogotron for your own use be a welcome sanity break from the scalplsd
adlai: in other phamily-related news, my lispm arbitrage has failed, due to usg-sponsor eagerness to sponsor as much as possible... but therein lies the arb, and anybody who does sponsor usg (or have family who do) is welcome and encouraged to pursue this further
adlai: in case the signal was too noisy right there: buying a working lisp machine, and donating it to a museum (of which there are several in the DC area), will get you a nice tax break
adlai: ofc you (or the other end of your arbitrage) need to already be paying usg taxes, but there are a bunch of people who do
mircea_popescu: kinda how all museums were built.
kakobrekla: i dont really see the point in the 'working' part
kakobrekla: it not like they will be turning it on and it will stop working over time with noone to fix it around
adlai: BingoBoingo: cl blogotrons exist, these days my blog-time is spent 'auditing' coleslaw vs hyde. scalpl, otoh, is pretty much one of a kind; cf ascii_butugychag on professional vs plebescite tooling...
mircea_popescu: he has a point.
adlai: mircea_popescu lacks an unambiguous antecedent
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla
ascii_butugychag: adlai: this is a sad joke, the machine's value is more or less ENTIRELY in the fact that it WORKS
adlai: so break it on the way over, i don't care! but all else aside, it's more educational to the budding usg-arsonist if they can play with a working doodad
ascii_butugychag: non-working but identically-appearing boxes are much cheaper
ascii_butugychag: and more common.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag from his pov, the value of the machine is entirely in "what you paidf for it"
adlai: ... and what ascii_butugychag just said.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00048974 = 6.0238 BTC [-]
ascii_butugychag: my point is that museum can get it considerably cheaper.
adlai: mircea_popescu: you do need to get the museum to agree that your donation was worth anything
ascii_butugychag: and 'what i paid for it' is almost NOTHING
ascii_butugychag: so fuck that.
adlai failed his arbitrage on this basis - usg-sponsor doesn't want to engage museum(s) in negotiation, but maybe $alertLurker does
mircea_popescu: adlai notrly. as long as they take it, it's not their job to value it for fiscality.
adlai: you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation
adlai: you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation
adlai: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: adlai is correct
adlai is also drunk, late for dinner, overleveraged on hopium, etc etc... bbl
adlai: but please, this is applicable to ANY USG TAXPAYER in the audience. 3btc = nice tax break!
adlai: all you need is somebody to drive the thing to a museum and negotiate a little
adlai: (not necessarily in that order)
mircea_popescu: the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does. << Actually in USia receipts are given by museums/charities for donations
mircea_popescu: yes. on the basis of the provenance documents.
mircea_popescu: "this vase so and so was donated to us by x who bought it at an auction held by sootheby's valuying it at 4mn".
BingoBoingo: With discrepancy between seller and charity receipts grounds for IRSape
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu is correct. otherwise you could set up faux 'museum' and 'donate' junk 'worth' millions.
ascii_butugychag: and just about any serious deviation from your social stature in the spirit of 'peasant doesn't get to own a rembrandt, wtf' will attract auditors very, very quickly in usa.
ascii_butugychag: usg knows very well who has any business writing off serious sums and who does not.
adlai hopes that at least one other lurker [knows somebody who] will blink more than once at a 3btc tax deduction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00048974 = 2.1793 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.
mircea_popescu: the death of the middle, eh.
adlai: the beautiful thing about the btcfiat market is that it means different things for different people
adlai has paid well over current market price for btc... what if those are the btc that ascii would've got?
mircea_popescu: and i'm not even going to pester alf about making another one for 2016 expiry. truth be told i'm rather pleasantly impressed with how s.nsa work is coming along of late.
adlai has yet to read latest statement; also, yet to leave pub for dinner date; also, yet to order bill, due to israeli ineptitude at peripheral vision/hearing...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00048914 = 21.2776 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.42, vol: 11668.75813234 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.926, vol: 5929.14361 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.21, vol: 35551.82749648 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 0.03058214 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.084204, vol: 75315.69070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 137.1533411 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 449.41875, vol: 61.48157177 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 449.844245608
phf: i've noticed that arab lipton yellow label is much better then lipton you get at a general store in u.s. i've made turkish tea for myself with arab lipton in a pinch, but twice i was in a situation where i was brewing tea for random people, so i bought drug store lipton and no matter what i tried doing with it, it just was not drinkable.
punkman: I buy a couple bags of loose leaf once a year and forget about it
phf: i go through 3-4 kg of tea a year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00049048 = 1.5695 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: samovar and all ?
mircea_popescu: i myself am the absolute worst : i rarely drink tea, but i only drink good tea. makes it practically impossible to drink my own. so, i usually tea per the charity of friends.
phf: i have a wood samovar, but i only use it on camping trings. no, i use iranian method, put a porcelain teapot on top of the kettle
phf: *trips
mircea_popescu: so basically you have... a half specified, unstable implementation of a samovar\
mircea_popescu: they can't be that expensive ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i can't justify paying a few grand for one on the grounds of the two cups a year i drink, but you're paying more for the tea as it is.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: your friends import tea/grow it themselves?
phf: it's mostly the variety and availability. i can combine various kettles/teapots and get a decent result
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not afaik, but you know... the man without an oscilloscope goes and visits alf's house whenever he needs one.
thestringpuller: i thought alf would be like seinfeld episode there. "You gonna return it without cheese-y fingerprints over it?"
mircea_popescu: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/samovar << actually apparently you can get one for almost nothing
assbot: Samovar: Collectibles | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLlyQp )
mircea_popescu: "Russian Soviet SAMOVAR 3L there are violations of nickel hull see photos. A fantastic collectors item! Regards !!"
mircea_popescu: who knew russkis were such fans of violations.
phf: well wood samovars are out for home use, electric ones i think are mostly gimmicks, i mean i might as well have a trained bear at home
mircea_popescu: afaik samovars were in fact used at the table. iirc even in the us you can get smokeless charcoal delivered
phf: hmm, that's actually worth a try. you still need to heat up the teapot though, so it goes on top of samovar, which means that whatever you burn is going to change the flavor of tea
phf: so fully depends on how smokeless that charcoal actually is, and those that i saw used for grilling tend to produce a nasty chemical miasma
mircea_popescu: of course the us is pretty huge on the whole bbq thing. i can attest i had charcoal-made pulled pork and other such stuff and was wunderbar.
mircea_popescu: phf you mean used by random idiot ? ever been to one of their competitive bbq-offs things ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Sexy women dress wholesale, customize fashion lady dress FOB Price: US $15 - 25 / Piece Port: HUANG PU PORT Min. Order: 300 Piece/Pieces"
phf: i'm not surprised that that's a thing, but that sounds awesome
thestringpuller: oh god mircea_popescu is making me hungry
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people spend 5k to buy 300 dresses fob. send the girls over to pick up.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller can't even decide if texas or mass is the capital of good bbq.
mircea_popescu: i can't even decide, i mean.
mircea_popescu: but during your us visit i definitely recommend seeing a) a renaissance faire if one's into easy fatties ; b) a bbq-off competition if one's into delicious fats.
mircea_popescu: can even take the pick-ups of a to b for bonus points!
thestringpuller: i'm getting fat as is.
thestringpuller: gf is good about working out and having good body. mine is turning to mush with all this work in the salt mines.
phf: my redneck friends took me to a state fair once, probably best "american" food i've had around DC area. icecream reminds me of the soviet one, that doesn't exist anymore. rich, fatty, none of them "substitutes", they were probably milking cows straight into the icecream mixer
mircea_popescu: and yet another reason i prefer women over men comes to light!
mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: didn't you state a straight male should prefer the company of women over men?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
phf: it's an interesting idea, but the kind of stuff their girlfriends eat, i prefer cow milk
mircea_popescu: phf maybe they're vegan. ~equivalent!
mircea_popescu: ;;ud 420
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=420 | the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who called themselves the Waldos, who ...
mircea_popescu: this is how we know i'm old.
thestringpuller: i hang out with people older than you on the reg
mircea_popescu: who know what 420 is ?
thestringpuller: yea. like 40 year olds who went to lollapalooza and stuff in the 90's
phf: i once saw a rope suspension of a rather large lady done by a dedicated kinbaku student, instead of pretending like she's not fat, he worked with the material with honesty, and the result was so grotesque that the image got stuck in my head. that's what "milking their girlfriends" brings up in my head, a bunch of docile, suspended cows being
thestringpuller: the generation X kids all growed-up
mircea_popescu: hm. okthen!
thestringpuller: young people suck
mircea_popescu: fortunately.
thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore
thestringpuller: 19 year olds are all whiney "I'm going to change the world by doing X, but I have no idea how the world works so I'm just going to ignore that part!!!!11"
thestringpuller: "Maybe you should pick up a book?" "That's not required!!!1111 My opinions matter without education!"
mircea_popescu: let's get back to the sucking part.
thestringpuller: well we know how they suck, i guess now why do they suck?
phf: i recently talked to a 15 year old, who told me that 2015 was more culturally significant then all the years since 1970 combined, he then proceeded to name things that happened in 2015 that i've never heard of. i said "excuse me" and walked away, but i still can't grok it.
mircea_popescu: anything good on the list ?
phf: that's the problem, i don't know anything on the list. someone released some album, someone else said something to someone else during something
thestringpuller: da iPhone was invented!
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mircea_popescu: virgin 15 yo ?
phf: that's a safe bet
mircea_popescu: jsut you wait till the summer of 69 rolls around.
mircea_popescu: in a coupla more years.
thestringpuller: reminds me of Cowboy Bebop. We'll all be elderly then, "Back in my day..."
phf: i think it's starting to happen, i've heard from a few new york socialites now, that they've been going to carefully crafted versions of burning man like events. sort of coachella or edc, but smaller, with a pretense to roughing it, and with more psychedelics
mircea_popescu: the wot is taking over all teh things!
thestringpuller: Burns are incredibly fun. And honestly it doesn't feel like roughing it. You just bring what you need and just exist. It's freedom from the default world.
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phf: i'm saying it's decidedly not burns, but event planner organized concerts, that have burn like activities also planned. morning yoga, games, camps all done by professionals. but "like you stay in a tent, and it's like nature" hence roughing it
phf: more kazantip, then afrikaburn
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt anyone taught them kids how to stay within humanity while camping.
phf: can usually spot an eastern european or an american nature freak by how orderly their setup is. "this is where i cook my morning egg, just like i've been doing for the past 30 years"
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more along the lines of "doesn't know how to wash in a single gallon of water and probably won't even bother splashing it around uselessly unless it's preheated"
phf: very true
thestringpuller: phf: OMG. hit the nail on the head. those are some of the interesting camps tho
thestringpuller: it's like they have a mini house in the form of tents...
thestringpuller: full kitchen. a table. a pantry.
mircea_popescu doesn't much care for camper vans because cramped
thestringpuller: i have to admit, i like having a grill when camping.
thestringpuller: save dehydrated food for hiking.
punkman: just need skewers or wire panel
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phf: i like to have fire when camping, i spent formative years with su engineers doing ural hikes so as long as there's fire something can be cooked, where's grill has its own rules of engagement
funkenstein_: greeting y'all
funkenstein_: i was under the impression y'all had never been out of doors let alone camping
mats: lol
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mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ need any further proof your "bayesian" approach is not a sort of thinking ? :D
phf: goes back to that thread about fucking and math
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu, i don't follow bayesian approach sorry
funkenstein_: but wondering if you have recommendation for me on should I read mircea eliade
mircea_popescu: sure, why not.
funkenstein_: cool, I will check it out thanks :)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard. here he is : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/fierceEmpath?cf=messages and here's the derpage : http://dpaste.com/3X9GKFG
assbot: fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1UD4XsY )
assbot: dpaste: 3X9GKFG ... ( http://bit.ly/1UD4Zkx )
mircea_popescu: by now a clearer idea of this particular contemporary stupidity of the uneducated but bright young folk is starting to structure itself in my head, and ima call it bayesian.
phf: eliade's "yoga immortality and freedom" is still best exposition
mircea_popescu: it has a lot to do with the sad situation where "everything not encountered before is surprising" - which is, incidentally, just another way to say "i'm stupid".
mircea_popescu: it also has a lot to do with an implicit presumption that the world is comprehensible in a very mechanicist way.
phf: !up Chesterly
mircea_popescu: he for instance reaches for phenomenology (what happened!!!) when nothing on the ground warrants a phenomenological explanation.
mircea_popescu: in clarifying this error, for instgance, eliade would be very useful.
Chesterly: okcupid is lol for sluts
Chesterly: get on tinder
Chesterly: or bumble
Chesterly: mirc, are you in ottawa, canada?
ben_vulpes: Chesterly: do you do any research before spouting off in general?
Chesterly: yes. this was my research: funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard.....fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Chesterly: in my experience, people on okcupid generally message others within their city, not across countries/continents etc.
phf: huh, not the first time somebody joins during a thread to demonstrate thread's point
mircea_popescu: Chesterly no, buenos aires.
mircea_popescu: !s okcupidslut
assbot: 12 results for 'okcupidslut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=okcupidslut
mircea_popescu: but, to make it perfectly clear, i don't believe funkenstein_ is to any significant degree related to the foregoing. that'sd what i mean by primed, i just see it everywhere now/
phf: i was referring to what you said about bayesian thinking and then chesterly talking about his experience
mircea_popescu: yeh, i figured.
mircea_popescu: not sure mr f knows it tho, in truth i've been laying into him of late like he were the antichrist or something.
mircea_popescu: but it's quite coincidental.
mircea_popescu: !rated funkenstein_
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phf: hmm, bayesian thinking is sort of like if you walk looking at the ground and all you see are tiny twigs and then gradually all you see are tiny rocks and you don't have an ability to pull away and notice that you were walking through forest first and then you're at a base of a mountain. it sometimes "works", becase you've been taught that the two classifications exist so you call first forest and the second mountain, but of course
phf: you've not ~seen~ either. you come across rocky patch in the forest and call it mountain, you call wood chipper pile forest, etc.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: remember >> "Fiat is not just about money. Fiat is a state of mind, the idea that some magical bureaucrat somewhere can give you new teeth, cure your warts and produce you a wife to order by just saying "fiat"." << I thought a little more about that as I'm reading about more people thinking about savings differently since Bitcoin exists. The compulsion to spend comes very strongly with fiat, whereas the "compuls
mircea_popescu: phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting".
mircea_popescu: lemme see if i can do it in math terms.
mircea_popescu: "bayesian thinking" is the equivalent of an algebra so defined that all operators are necessarily idempotent and all functions necessarily contiguous.
mircea_popescu: truly, this simplifies "math" quite a heck of a lot.
mircea_popescu: continuous*
mircea_popescu: basically in that space you'd just cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz the fuck out of everything
mircea_popescu: and even if it didn't work, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW
mircea_popescu: note that this is exactly what they're actually doing, too.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.45, vol: 11453.79682566 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 450.882, vol: 6140.68229 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 454.51, vol: 34633.75048508 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 0.03058214 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 459.12358, vol: 76205.89970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.22, vol: 111.94217655 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 459.942499989, vol: 59.1356488 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 456.979285411
deedbot-: [Trilema] MPIF (F.MPIF) December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-december-2015-statement/
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 01:14:33; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski What qntra not authorative enough to publish truefax confirmed in multiple outlets?
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 01:08:57; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 << No version string testing?
pete_dushenski: wait, kako's a known horse-eater ?
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 23:54:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360370 << again folks with 'blows up' but no error logz nor any meaningful data that would let me shit forth magical answer re: ~why~
pete_dushenski: basically, trying to install 'essential' yields "Media change: please insert the disc labeled Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter"
pete_dushenski: on debian 7 ^^
pete_dushenski: dunno if this was the same jam that thestringpuller was running into or not. but this is where 'laocoon' is currently stuck
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362638 << "stunning" indeed. need moar social sciences funding to get to the root of this deep, deep question
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:35:57; mircea_popescu: "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," << nordic system is a great system, provided you only ask the people who stay behind.
kakobrekla: what about horse?
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:24:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362614 << somebody wake up kakobrekla !1111
BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Horse is delicious
pete_dushenski: i don't doubt it
BingoBoingo: “Grades are increasingly a lousy signal, especially at those elite places that just hand out the A’s. So you don’t even have that anymore,”
assbot: New book reveals how elite Ph.D. admissions committees review candidates | Inside Higher Ed ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLI20 )
kakobrekla: dat girl, wife material.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362706 << almost as bad as the gasoline-benzene mixture that mercedes was using at le mans in 1955, which made quite the little *boom* when pierre levegh crashed and firefighters tried to pour water on the fire, only to watch the fire expand as the magnesium body of the car reacted with the water. 83 ppl died in that one.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 01:26:50; mircea_popescu: (in fairness, it was the fuel of choice of f1 engines in the 80s, but it really is much too high octane to use in shitty ro-made engines of the era. not to mention carcinogenic)
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 03:08:45; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDi-UXUo8E << holy fuq.
kakobrekla: oh and yes pete_dushenski got a couple of kilos of horse meat in the fridge and another batch coming in 2 months.
kakobrekla: locally grown, straight from the farmer. not expencive either, 8 euros per kilo.
pete_dushenski: the chicken i buy is $23/kg, the beef $30/kg or so. $12/kg for locally grown, straight from the farmer is a steal of a deal
mircea_popescu: yeah not bad.
kakobrekla: 7 euro for goat.
kakobrekla: but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so.
mircea_popescu: primo salmon is ~25 bucks here, 15ish or so for steak
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362879 << heh. you're right, it's 1-200 mile range electric cars keeping you fenced in. can't even drive off to phreedom nao.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 12:03:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.
pete_dushenski: have to stop overnight in every. single. town.
pete_dushenski: imagine how fast they would've caught capone et al. if he fled the scene of every bank robbery in an electric car.
pete_dushenski: s/he/they'd
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: very reasonable prices
mircea_popescu: anyone remember the red guy as a mall cop with an electric car ?
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: the ethiopian and indian restaurants around here do goat very well around here
pete_dushenski: paul blart ?
mircea_popescu: nah cow and chicken character
kakobrekla: incidentally i drank goat kefir yesterday - it tastes like licking goat balls
mircea_popescu: now hiow wouyld you know that.
davout: exactly what i was wondering
kakobrekla: educated guess
davout: how does it compare to horse testicles?
mircea_popescu: "rounder"
davout: "need to bend lower to reach"
kakobrekla: anyway, the meat has a similar taste, very strong. needs at least 24hrs preparation to make it taste good.
kakobrekla: davout i see bash is still stuck at november ? :)
davout: kakobrekla: yeah, haven't gotten to it yet
kakobrekla: no worries, just returning the complaint.
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mircea_popescu: hahahaha
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?
pete_dushenski: ftr 'becel' is some kinda margarine for when there's no butter around
pete_dushenski: also has 'heart logo'
mircea_popescu: i thought they owned that "i can't believe it's not butter" thing.
davout: kakobrekla: what are you? my wife?
mircea_popescu: for which, incidentally, a great ad would be, woman takes it up the ass furiously
mircea_popescu: and when she's done...
mircea_popescu: "i can't believe it's not butter!"
pete_dushenski: i can't believe i'm not butthurt ?
mircea_popescu: davout how is the fanny ?
davout: pretty exhausted by kid #2
mircea_popescu: did she get a horse ?
davout: hmm she's had a horse for a while now
mircea_popescu: oh. i just remembered she was thinking of buying.
davout: maybe a second one
davout: that would be the pony :D
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.
davout: obviously #ba needs a sane delivery network
pete_dushenski: god help venice if it needs to rebuild the roads of rome
mircea_popescu: the pony express was kinda cool...
davout: yeah well don't count on mine
pete_dushenski: aha as seen with persians, khanate, usians
davout: it's more like "fuck you, i'm fine eating this delicious grass right fucking here"
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 15:12:30; mircea_popescu: chinese the new jew huh
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's unfortunate as confucianism is easily the dumbest think ever shat forth by the mind of man.
pete_dushenski: davout: that entitled huh
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: as long as they're using abacii and not fortune cookies to tabulate columns...
pete_dushenski: "those are lottery numbers, not how much tax i owe !!"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363499 << l0l, and when i 'this is NOT everything!111' mircea_popescu answers 'mysticism!!11' - can't win.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 22:05:07; mircea_popescu: phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting".
davout: i have no idea what the english word for "cravacher" is but either way, that's what it needs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform life's hard but unfare!
mircea_popescu: davout a man in the house ?
asciilifeform: heathen linux crud
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04
pete_dushenski: lol. not mystical enough for you ?
davout: mircea_popescu: has to be!
mircea_popescu: close lid, come back later, lift lid, continue married with children from where it left off.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and external displays ?
mircea_popescu: i've not tried, but i am willing to bet that it'll bne fine.
asciilifeform: and yes if this was a thinkpad with actual ibm logo, this works
mircea_popescu: it is yes.
asciilifeform: but all it is good for is watching pr0n and 'lynx'
mircea_popescu: i could crack your head open with it...
asciilifeform: that also !
asciilifeform: i got a bunch of these here
asciilifeform: but none are good for mining u.
mircea_popescu: thing's impressive in its solidity, i'[d guess 10 lbs
mircea_popescu: im too lazy to go check
asciilifeform: anyway these things rules
asciilifeform: but none will drive a reasonable number of pixels
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: anyways, you wanted the error logs (!), you got the error logs.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that one looks more like a 'i tried to install shitlinux and got bored' log
mircea_popescu: 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13'
mircea_popescu: in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
mircea_popescu: ahaha what the fuck!
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pete_dushenski: i have debian 7.3 installed, and several 'updates' don't wanna take because 'not latest verzionz'
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 23:35:44; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.
pete_dushenski: as far as i can see
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato
asciilifeform: but i can do that on a 486.
asciilifeform: just takes a little while.
asciilifeform: that's not the issue.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: os ?
mircea_popescu: ubuntu 10.04
mircea_popescu: i think i said that b4
asciilifeform: (the issue is 1) graphical www 2) driving the 2**10^7 pixels i need to sanely develop
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: could've been diff girl
pete_dushenski: you have, like, multiple
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski before, like 20 lines up!
asciilifeform: anyway 'compile trb' was never a mega-feat
asciilifeform: go compile rotor.
asciilifeform: from empty space.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol. "it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04" != "girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363528 << there was precisely this dynamic re: jews in su
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 22:57:09; BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "
pete_dushenski: anyways.
asciilifeform: any university that didn't have 'jew quota' would rapidly fill up
asciilifeform: and then director would be asked 'why are you running a synagogue here'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ?
asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, today's mega-lulzatr0n winner,
assbot: Paul Graham Is Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs1nt )
mircea_popescu: or not really worth it / nobody cares ?
asciilifeform: http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html << the piece which provoked the earlier thing
assbot: Economic Inequality ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs82q )
mircea_popescu: wait, this sort of anti-national-socialist propaganda is allowed on medium ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they only had good nazi chicks there or something.
asciilifeform: complicated. pg tries to position himself as 'legit business'
asciilifeform: and 'growing the pie' etc
asciilifeform: rather than usg scion
mircea_popescu: so did krupp.
trinque: http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz.asc << mod6, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, et al., this thing has crapped a working trb enough times to get feedback. It's a set of makefiles for the former build script and rotor. There are interesting knobs in the various makefiles, including (I think) an easy way to put other builders alongside rotor (as asciilifeform mentioned). Lemme
trinque: know how it can be improved.
asciilifeform: trinque: neato
asciilifeform: trinque: post to ml plox
mircea_popescu: cool beans.
mircea_popescu: yeh what he said.
asciilifeform: i generally go to ml when i look for 'what happened in xxx month trb-wise'
shinohai: ty trinque will test asap
asciilifeform: 'Paul Graham is one of those plutocrats whose thirst to be recognized as a thoughtleader among his peers is obvious. For Paul Graham, Silicon Valley Ideology is the ideology America should run on, and ergo, being a puppet of Silicon Valley Ideology, Paul Graham thinks himself a political genius.'
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363242 << had a very pleasant lunch with oleg back in the day. shame to see him waste his time so.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:09:56; linton_s_dawson: oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lulzy, and predictable
asciilifeform: 'What actually happens is wealthy people like Paul Graham fund startups because they think these things are valuable. Through venture funding, rich people legitimate startups. Thus, they confer value upon the startup. They then use their ridiculous money and connections to “advise” and “mentor” those they deemed worthy of capital so that they can use this capital to build a future people like Paul Graham expect to see.
asciilifeform: ' << merit-washing
asciilifeform: somebody's been reading the logz.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:20:18; mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
asciilifeform: bsd was.
pete_dushenski: ah that. yes.
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shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqn13n <<< "I haven't yet heard one person against SegWit, no matter their stance on raising the block size cap." LOLOLOL
assbot: nanoakron comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWnO )
assbot: Paul Graham is Still Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWUU )
pete_dushenski: shinohai: "he's a pinball wizard!"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ? << Coming soon
assbot: Billionaire Cohen settles with SEC, could soon manage outside money - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1POtcDj )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363348 << /me appreciated the phree diaper money. (yes, /me thinks in such terms de temps en temps, for "grounding")
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:41:08; mircea_popescu: adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 19:18:49; mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.
pete_dushenski: at least on all-carb-diet
pete_dushenski has to tip cap to fillie for dropping >10 lbs since heir's birth. dunno how the girl does it.
pete_dushenski: i suspect black majic is at play
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363418 << 23-24 isn't so bad. hopeful, energetic, know who to come to for answers.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 19:26:56; thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore
punkman: kakobrekla: but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so. << you need younger goats
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: did we ever do a human milk thread ?
asciilifeform: !s milk market
assbot: 2 results for 'milk market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=milk+market
pete_dushenski: looks like not
pete_dushenski: though chappelle's 'cambodian breast milks' is the definitive tract
assbot: Women Are Selling Their Breast Milk for Incredible Sums of Money | Video | TheBlaze.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFn8hA )
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> somebody's been reading the logz. <<< yeah, someone who hasn't been reading enough grammar to know the difference between legitimate the noun and legitimize the verb.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i recall a local woman selling her milk to "body builders" and the lik
mircea_popescu: anyway. the foremost point of capital is to enact a softer training harness for kids than simple beatings.
pete_dushenski: maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ?
mircea_popescu: so of fucking course any working capitalist would produce more people like he wants to see. that's what i fucking do, too.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ? << Never heard of it
asciilifeform: and old scumbag pg also, but he wants to produce a... different kind of people.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski : www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding ?
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> i suspect black majic is at play << that or working out.
assbot: Does Human Breast Milk Help Build Muscle? ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0up )
assbot: Young mothers make money by selling their breast milk to bodybuilders on Craigslist ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0KP )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: wins
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mostly walking with 9kg weight vest, yea
mircea_popescu: this entire "breastmilk" thing strikes me as a whole lot of "teenaged cunts make money by selling their panties".
phf: damn, i've been approaching this whole gains business wrong
mircea_popescu: yeah. right.
pete_dushenski: isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? (to prison inmates)
deedbot-: [Qntra] US Stocks End Record Losing Week - http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/
pete_dushenski: worn for a day, that is
punkman: "Medolac, based in Oregon and started in 2009, sells 4-ounce pouches of sterilized donor milk to hospitals for up to $5.90 an ounce. Theirs is the only “room temperature” product currently on the market, meaning it does not need to be thawed out." << I haz business idea!!11
punkman: powdered breast milk.
assbot: Deputy Arrested For Dropbox Child Porn | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnzIE )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: US Stocks End Record Losing Week | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnF35 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6426 @ 0.00049434 = 3.1766 BTC [+]
phf: <pete_dushenski> isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0omvbDEY4
assbot: smells like japanese panties ;) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnGnr )
pete_dushenski: phf: bahaha
pete_dushenski: well gang, ima retire for the eve. a la prochaine
phf: judging by commodore pet at 2:00 in the background, must be #b-a-jp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00049434 = 14.0145 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: honestly if we were to do the same math for woman's milk that we do for cow's milk, an ounce at 6 bucks is a steal.
mircea_popescu: even the best selected wocows give at the very most a liter and change, not the two buckets a day cow sprouts forth. and considering feed and shelter costs what, 10k a year or thereabouts ? you're looking at a good 30-40 bucks a liter fixed production costs. not counting the ipad you'll prolly need, and presuming you can get your milkho impregnated for free each year, somehow.
shinohai: ^ a kitty titty massage :D
mircea_popescu: i think it knows!
mircea_popescu: https://mikandi.com/blog/news/mikandi-news/fetlife-meatlist/ check it out, by now i could spend ~the entire day reading about myself.
assbot: The FetLife Meatlist: How A Social Network Failed Its Users ... ( http://bit.ly/1VRM8DF )
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : the late bitbet payments should be all sent, so there is that.
mod6: nice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049434 = 4.1525 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 01:14:09; mircea_popescu: and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif
asciilifeform: where's this from
mircea_popescu: the internets!
mod6: trinque: I pulled, verified and tested 'trb-mk.tar.gz' on my gentoo x86-64 machine. It built a static bitcoind for me! I fired it up, connects, pulls blocks. =]
asciilifeform: mod6, trinque: mighty spiffy
mod6: trinque - quite nice, Sir.
mircea_popescu: hmmm this is suspicious
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform are the trb nodes isolated atm ?!
asciilifeform: isolated??
mircea_popescu: from this side it seems like i broadcast to them fine but i don't see the txn on the wider network mempool ?
asciilifeform: i got a pile of connections on each
asciilifeform: chugging mightily
mircea_popescu: take for instance e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773
mircea_popescu: you gettx'd it multiple times, and it was sent, but ?
asciilifeform: try now
asciilifeform tail -f ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773
mircea_popescu: will retry presently.
mircea_popescu: mmm irc stock debug.log only lists a few bytes off the beginning
asciilifeform watches the displays
mircea_popescu: not the whole sha
mircea_popescu: try cat ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep e6b8aa9de
mircea_popescu: and it's empty ?
asciilifeform: still pumping
asciilifeform: askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 0
asciilifeform: sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
asciilifeform: ^ dulap
mircea_popescu: why the fuck don't i see it networkwide
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaaaand
asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
mircea_popescu: well yes...
asciilifeform: is this the 'low-S' crapolade, still ?!
mircea_popescu: there's a chain of them, you'd not see the bottom if you don't see the top.
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be.
asciilifeform: turned up same 3 lines on bucephalus
asciilifeform: nothing on zoolag.
asciilifeform leaves the 'tails' going
mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
mircea_popescu: this is making just about 0 sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00049133 = 2.4567 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but can you confirm whether e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 IS in your memory pool and for some reason dulap/etc are not transmitting it, or whether it's not in the mempool at all ?
mircea_popescu: does the log show any "received getdata" for it ?
mircea_popescu doesn't know what to think atm, maybe it's some weirdo bug in the trb ? maybe what the shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00049169 = 5.6053 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: bb payouts?
mircea_popescu: obviously ;/
kakobrekla: same thing happened as before?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4960 @ 0.0004913 = 2.4368 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: mod6: asciilifeform: glad it worked
asciilifeform: askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300229000000
asciilifeform: sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
asciilifeform: ^ just now
asciilifeform: (or rather, some time between when i got up to eat and now)
asciilifeform: i suspect that kakobrekla is right
asciilifeform: and that it is the low-S fucktardation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00049334 = 25.4563 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no.
mircea_popescu: this time, the antecedent transaction is clearly in the chain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never you mind the complaint of 20421a3f19. the point is, e6b8aa9ded itself.
mod6: was 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 sent by trb?
mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
mircea_popescu: i would say this is proof positive that they are in fact isolated on the network, somehow.
mircea_popescu: ima keep the present situation up, where they have monopoly on a juicy tx for a little longer in case anyone wants to trace the network/debug/whatever. but i can't keep it forever like this.
asciilifeform: something is ~very~ wrong re: freenode
asciilifeform: it would seem that most of the relays are dead (or Great Firewalled off between where i stand and there)
kakobrekla: something is wrong with everything.
asciilifeform: and before this, i threw possibly a dozen lines in
asciilifeform: and they went nowhere
asciilifeform: with no server spew
asciilifeform: silent netsplit
kakobrekla: rethrow them.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> incidentally, it is quite likely, even for all 3 of my boxes, that mircea_popescu's node was able to connect to ask for the tx but not to send it.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> because there are dozens of leechers on each box, and the pile of shit has no notion of prioritization
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300218000000
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> ^ bucephalus
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: do you know for a fact (e.g., wireshark) that you are transmitting the tx ?
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> and likewise, that it does not rely on a preceding tx that is not in a block ?
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> because - remember! - if it relies on a tx that is NOT IN A BLOCK, that tx MUST be in my mempool
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> or your tx gets thrown on the floor.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> holy fuck, i'm netsplit silently ????
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> seeing mircea_popescu's replies in the logz, but NOTHING here
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 03:08:08; mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu understand that, for while there are only a few trb nodes, and everyone knows where they are, it is entirely conceivable for traffic to be diddled in arbitrary ways in real time
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: this could even mean that they would remain 'on the network' (pulling blocks on time, which all 3 presently are) but lose whatever mempool gibblets.
mircea_popescu: tis weird tho.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> something is wrong with everything. <<
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, i know i'm transmitting.
mircea_popescu: and yes likewise, i gave the specifics above.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7978 @ 0.00049042 = 3.9126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00049436 = 15.7206 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00049486 = 2.4496 BTC [+]
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