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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70600 @ 0.00050981 = 35.9926 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85273 @ 0.00051083 = 43.56 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53027 @ 0.00051151 = 27.1238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83250 @ 0.00050255 = 41.8373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48368 @ 0.00050211 = 24.2861 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124650 @ 0.00050966 = 63.5291 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39812 @ 0.00050895 = 20.2623 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 284188 @ 0.0005118 = 145.4474 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00051205 = 29.5965 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108600 @ 0.00050527 = 54.8723 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00050527 = 6.6948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65400 @ 0.00051205 = 33.4881 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00051205 = 23.3239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263499 @ 0.00050166 = 132.1869 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76600 @ 0.00049881 = 38.2088 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104401 @ 0.00049866 = 52.0606 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00050221 = 18.4813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00050221 = 12.7561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47599 @ 0.00049857 = 23.7314 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86216 @ 0.00049855 = 42.983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29784 @ 0.00049844 = 14.8455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30247 @ 0.00050086 = 15.1495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168363 @ 0.00049798 = 83.8414 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81303 @ 0.00050086 = 40.7214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28473 @ 0.00050221 = 14.2994 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.22257398 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b16
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00049739 = 21.8106 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 390468 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 635 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: Looks leik a lotta hash came online
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174300 @ 0.00049824 = 86.8432 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113500 @ 0.00049733 = 56.447 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99766 @ 0.00049652 = 49.5358 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155159 @ 0.00050036 = 77.6354 BTC [+]
adlai: gpg: public key decryption failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
adlai: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120382 @ 0.00050119 = 60.3343 BTC [+] {4}
adlai: ;;isup btcalpha.com
gribble: btcalpha.com is up
adlai: lies, gribble. RIP best mpex charting site
adlai: ("There's money to be made here, and you're not going to be making it by waiting.")
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey btcalpha's 500'd.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: le suck. i hope he's ok.
adlai: maybe just pancaked, but it's not always terminal :-\
adlai is left, for lack of charts, trying to figure out the mysteries of trilema's vanishing divs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050154 = 8.4259 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: gribble says "error 500? but it's alive, that's all what counts."
jurov: adlai and what mysteries?
mircea_popescu: this guy has a torid love affair with the vague.
adlai: vague like the mona lisa smirk of the lady who doesn't belong in bitcoin
adlai would hotlink but maybe that ruins the fun
jurov: orly, vague? why don't you play eulora, then?
mircea_popescu: nono, vague the other way.
mircea_popescu: he wants to RUN it, not play it.
adlai: !s from:jurov play trade
assbot: 1 results for 'from:jurov play trade' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Ajurov+play+trade
adlai: "i'll play with my food once i've eaten my toys"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144750 @ 0.00050334 = 72.8585 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46647 @ 0.00049631 = 23.1514 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44403 @ 0.00050421 = 22.3884 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4447 @ 0.00049712 = 2.2107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00051175 = 72.2079 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00051214 = 46.2462 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: hey BingoBoingo do you happen to recall that article in the logs where some honcho at walmart discussed how people mill around in the stoire the midnight before ebt time ?
BingoBoingo: lemme retrieve some candidates
assbot: JL: Of Kings and Queens ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9KDOp )
BingoBoingo: @s walmart
BingoBoingo: !s walmart
assbot: 147 results for 'walmart' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=walmart
mircea_popescu: "Once the clock strikes midnight and EBT cards are charged, you can see our results start to tick up," says Tom Schoewe, Wal-Mart Stores Inc's chief financial officer.
mircea_popescu: nah it was someone from walmart.
assbot: Midnight in the food-stamp economy| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vla0z7 )
punkman: "Dancers from China's National Pole Dance Team performs in Beiji village, the nation's most northerly point"
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 417.62, Best ask: 417.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 417.55, 24 hour volume: 53425.91412428, 24 hour low: 405.5, 24 hour high: 425.43, 24 hour vwap: None
thestringpuller: ;;hashrate
gribble: Error: "hashrate" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;nethash
gribble: 837554982.002
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050607 = 4.4534 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: china will prolly rock i na decade.
thestringpuller: dunno. heard shanghai ain't good for asthma. I'll wait until someone invents air scrubbers.
punkman: "one of Beijing's top restaurants"
thestringpuller: Whoa. Coinbase is getting DDOSED.
thestringpuller: punkman: does that mean the air in the restaurant?
punkman: supposedly
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mike_c BTCAlpha is down. 500 internal error.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;isup btcalpha.com
gribble: btcalpha.com is up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00050621 = 53.4052 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: Everyone is playing Crucible on r/btc and this pops up: "Playing witchhunt roulette, are we? Then I say: something something Mircea Popescu something."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.00049992 = 40.4435 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: bitchhunt
deedbot-: [Trilema] Okcupid.com, the dating site. - http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/
jurov: wow deedbot-'s trigger word?
jurov: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0ARS40T.txt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67300 @ 0.00049877 = 33.5672 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: !up Guest90279
assbot: Ciudateii astia cu HB9.5-urile on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pqlhfo )
assbot: Extracting the Private Key from a TREZOR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pqlzmv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178228 @ 0.00050827 = 90.5879 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: !up ahmed_
thestringpuller: oh wow. ALF was right on the money using DPA to break the trezor.
mircea_popescu: iirc the point wasn't controversial.
BingoBoingo: The controversy was if anyone would care enough to do it
assbot: British Army Creates Brigade Of Facebook Soldiers ... ( http://bit.ly/22tF3Oj )
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "I didn't know if I wanted to laugh or cry when I went to a class to make sure we knew about this special equipment locked away in out large hospital and how to get/order it. Plus we were told we weren't allowed to call them anything but "bariatric" for fear that the patient or family might overhear it called the "big boy" chair or the 1000lb lift sling, or the XXXXL whatever. "
thestringpuller: PSA: Bitnodes units shipped with 64GB SD cards will reach capacity in next few days. << L0L
mircea_popescu: da fuck ? the chain's well over 150gb
mircea_popescu: !up asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you and your weird ideas about keys.
assbot: dpaste: 25MGHBZ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBZZqD )
mircea_popescu: psa : do not use the gpg supplied mechanism for "key expiration", or anything else from there as far as "key management" goes for that matter.
thestringpuller: !up Quent
Quent: you guys behind these DDoses?
Quent: obviously I don't expect truthful statements
Quent: but thought to give you the opportunity to deny it and show just how elite you are...
asciilifeform: the ddos of trilema ? qntra ?
Quent: personally I suspect Peter Todd and btcdrak
Quent: ddos of coinbase
Quent: and XT nodes before that
Quent: and Slush pool
asciilifeform apparently slept through this
punkman: assbot is behind it all!
Quent: I don't think you guys have the brains or funds to carry out these DDoses
asciilifeform: there are how many - 1000 ? xt nodes ?
asciilifeform: and all were ddosed ?
Quent: yes
Quent: i mean
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: there is only 480 listed xtnodes
Quent: your leader offered what
Quent: 1 btc ahaha
Quent: 1btc to erm kill sipa I think
Quent: 1 btc ahaha
Quent: such elite ahaha
thestringpuller: !down Quent
thestringpuller: okay enough of that
asciilifeform: long ago, after the failed american invasion of cuba at the bay of pigs, usg offered a million for the head of castro's #2, half a million for #3, and a penny for castro's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0005066 = 8.4602 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: now he pollutes my pm
thestringpuller: mr. spam comes in many forms.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354327 << dpa is not only not my idea, but it pre-dates the computer (see, e.g., https://fveydocs.org/document/learning-enemy-gunman concerning typewriters, or the soviet cipher machines that had ballast coils)
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 16:46:59; thestringpuller: oh wow. ALF was right on the money using DPA to break the trezor.
thestringpuller: shinohai: "two bit idiot likes this tweet"
asciilifeform: (and also i will add that trezor has a considerably simpler orifice, but we digress, folks who read the logz know what it is)
thestringpuller: will cardano be vulnerable to DPA?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it runs on batteries.
thestringpuller: iirc anything with batteries is susceptible?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you have trouble sourcing batteries not containing usg dpa circuitry, invest in a dental xray machine
thestringpuller: or am I misinformed...
thestringpuller: ^-wherefor?
asciilifeform: i suppose i ought to explain dpa as a thing
thestringpuller pulls up a chair and listens.
asciilifeform: if someone walks away with your cipher machine while you sleep, and he has half a brain, he will have your key
asciilifeform: at the very least, he can make use of it using the machine as it was designed to be used
asciilifeform: the scenario of a dpa attack is where you have possession of the machine, but the enemy controls the power supply
asciilifeform: e.g., a typewriter in an embassy, and enemy attached a precision ampermeter to your mains
asciilifeform: or, in modern times, you plug your box into a usb jack in a cafe
asciilifeform: as i pointed out a year+ ago, a trezor plugged into a specially-instrumented but visually uninteresting pc will give up its key.
asciilifeform: most of the extant literature concerning dpa is about extracting firmware from copyprotected microcontrollers in a laboratory setting
asciilifeform: a very different sort of affair, but same method.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00050643 = 27.4485 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 17:05:53; mircea_popescu: da fuck ? the chain's well over 150gb
asciilifeform: or hm, ~68
asciilifeform: was counting a bloated debug.log
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354298 << how's that ? they will move the belching smokestacks to usaschwitz ?
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 14:20:56; mircea_popescu: china will prolly rock i na decade.
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
assbot: Remove Coinbase from the "Choose your Wallet" page by Cobra-Bitcoin · Pull Request #1178 · bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pr9HCz )
asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
shinohai: !up asciilifeform
VariaVarietatis: Has anyone heard about something that around the t0 and t1 vertebra and lets you talk without talking?
BingoBoingo: Yes. Oscilliscope works for this.
BingoBoingo: Plug one in and try it
asciilifeform: VariaVarietatis: 'subvocal speech recognition'
asciilifeform: old nyooz.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12553 @ 0.00050893 = 6.3886 BTC [+] {2}
VariaVarietatis: asciilifeform: you have one?
asciilifeform: afaik there is not a commercial gadget for subvocal
asciilifeform: why do you need this ? got some prisoners who like to subvocalize launch codes in their sleep ?
VariaVarietatis: Yes, they are pretty nice been using one for a two months turns out everyone seems to have them was last one in on them.
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3KAQJ9R.txt )
VariaVarietatis: asciilifeform: someone told me you made the best version based on the fsb/spetsnaz plans true?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 282.04204, vol: 9711.26453368 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 281.950376, vol: 7614.49142 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 276.34, vol: 1.22437492 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 280.043414, vol: 56101.16990000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 275.02802, vol: 0.0103525 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 288.514528013, vol: 45.23474211 | Volume-weighted last average: 280.510363074
jurov: yes spetsnaz gave him plans when he was 10 and emigrated to USA
BingoBoingo: OMG CRASHING
VariaVarietatis: heard they have been in use for 10-15 years. at this point.
jurov: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00255064 / 0.00259203 / 0.00262332 (887 shares, 2.30 BTC), 7D: 0.00238552 / 0.00247328 / 0.00262332 (4223 shares, 10.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00061753 / 0.00213157 / 0.00282306 (12305 shares, 26.23 BTC)
jurov: ;;calc 1/0.00061753
gribble: 1619.35452529
jurov: orly
jurov: VariaVarietatis: [citation needed]
jurov: anyone: before panic selling x.eur at 4x the value, please consult me first
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 418.46, vol: 9641.91363683 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.325, vol: 7562.51257 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 418.01, vol: 38030.8102987 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 1.22437492 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 415.058553, vol: 56037.40040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 422.41286, vol: 47.54402785 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.052914229, vol: 45.23474211 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 416.591114115
BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 18:08:33; VariaVarietatis: asciilifeform: someone told me you made the best version based on the fsb/spetsnaz plans true?
asciilifeform wonders what other 'best versions' and of what he makes with 'fsb spetznaz plans', and according to whom.
BingoBoingo: Laser Mosin?
jurov: it's quite plausible explanation of your shiva hands. you work using hands, while subvocalising on irc at the same time (or other way around)
asciilifeform: not far off, l0l
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 18:19:05; BingoBoingo: Laser Mosin?
assbot: The Soviet Laser Pistol - The Firearm Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIYnzo )
VariaVarietatis: Gotta look into it more stuck on a shit server atm bbl
BingoBoingo: !up fedlet
BingoBoingo: !up fudlet
BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.00051043 = 37.4911 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00051177 = 42.5793 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: <Quent> personally I suspect Peter Todd and btcdrak << but who the fuck are you to "personally".
mircea_popescu: screen names are persons now ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the belching smokestacks to usaschwitz ? <<< mongolia, india, pakistan, whatevs. africa, argentina, they're looking.
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu explain earlier that argentines won't work unless bred in captivity for 10,000 yrs - or something
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'It is about sending a strong message. << it is about sending a strong message alright.
mircea_popescu: apparently all the others somehow got lost in a cloud of "could never happen to me".
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1/0.00253536
gribble: 394.421305061
mircea_popescu: jurov it's about right no ?
thestringpuller: "You can't fix a capacity problem with fees. If there are only 20 seats on the bus and 25 people that want to ride there is no ticket price where everyone gets a seat." << I love the lulz on reddit. "We want everyone to be equal because we aren't worth shit in the real world. Treat us fairly!!!!!11"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform argentina is only notable for the landmass. you can fit about five europes in here.
punkman: "maybe if we stop giving out tickets for free, we'll be able to affor a second bus"
mircea_popescu: the white chicks currently inhabiting it could be trained to dance, i suppose. if you can teach bears you can probably teach argentines too
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2014 01:25:41; asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!'
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354466 <<< definitely Grade-A popcorn out there today.
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 18:50:33; thestringpuller: "You can't fix a capacity problem with fees. If there are only 20 seats on the bus and 25 people that want to ride there is no ticket price where everyone gets a seat." << I love the lulz on reddit. "We want everyone to be equal because we aren't worth shit in the real world. Treat us fairly!!!!!11"
mircea_popescu: actually there is a ticket price where everyone WHO SHOULD BE RIDING gets a seat.
jurov: mircea_popescu: current price is about right. but there were 2 dips in last few months
mircea_popescu: cheaper and more effectual way to announce that being, of course, having a bid in i guess.
jurov: butbutbut... let's have some drama!!!1
jurov: besides, i did have bids most of the time. but dude wanted to avoid them or whatevs
mircea_popescu: maybe you taking them out generated a micropanic
jurov: hahaha
BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354184 << In an update on the recruitment suggested by mircea_popescu yesterday, the recruitogram got a twitter like. Not a visit here nor any actual message in reply.
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 02:18:22; BingoBoingo: Recruitogram sent https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/680935415432359936
mircea_popescu: well... twitter is a pos social media site...
BingoBoingo: Well, it's not like I'm going to expend effort to figure out if the medium.com social networking site has a way to shoot recruitograms out.
asciilifeform observes that banning aws has ~increased net throughput~
asciilifeform: which is interesting
BingoBoingo: banning AWS has more assholes sending me bloomfilter requests for their SPV bullshit
asciilifeform: any reason we don't insta-disconnect these ?
BingoBoingo: I know of none, but I've yet to notice any linger once they get all of the copious nothing that they are entitled to
asciilifeform: is there a particular reason we ought to be wasting any cycles on 'embrace & extend' fucktards ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way the socket handler works (and fixing this would involve rewriting more or less everything) a 'lingerer' ties up the box.
thestringpuller: ;;seen irdial
gribble: irdial was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 49 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <irdial> ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ff211e140a17d6846aebcaf83249e5695f1ca5e23862c72443770251
thestringpuller: does he even show up in channel anymore?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how aggressively do disconnected nodes attempt to reconnect?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: varies
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the aws box which appeared to exist solely to tie up zoolag - quite aggressively
ben_vulpes: is there reason to suspect that insta-disconnecting nodes will achieve anything rather than queuing the disconnector up for a reconnection shortly?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: works best as part of a balanced diet, which includes banhammer
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 21:46:36; mircea_popescu: providing public services is not merely a waste
asciilifeform: it is not actually possible to put meat out in the sun 'but not for flies'
asciilifeform: what however ~is~ possible is to bugspray the current set of flies
asciilifeform: and make some temporary breathing room.
BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform
asciilifeform: often i picture how horrified even the most hardened liberast would be if he could visit a meatspace universe that is as devoid of healthy meat-flies separation as the net is today
asciilifeform: picture, no such thing as a fine restaurant without stinking beggars and screaming welfare kidz represented 'fairly'
asciilifeform: and certainly no way to keep non-paying anybody out of nearly anything
asciilifeform: so the stench of poverty everywhere, without exception
asciilifeform: and consider how many bodies could physically fit in your living room
asciilifeform: picture if there were no practical way of keeping them out.
asciilifeform: does the conductor of that paki train wield a stick with which to dislodge excess 'outdoor passengers' ?
asciilifeform: or do they fall off on their own as the engine revvs up ?
asciilifeform: or do they get sheared off at tunnels.
assbot: How to Use Bitcoin as a Faster Cheaper Easier Western Union - gaysexthailand.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb1QI3 )
asciilifeform: is there a coprophagiaincambodia.com ?
asciilifeform: fuckamuleinkabul.com ?
BingoBoingo: ;;isup coprophagiaincambodia.com
gribble: coprophagiaincambodia.com is down
BingoBoingo: ;;isup fuckamuleinkabul.com
gribble: fuckamuleinkabul.com is down
BingoBoingo: Doesn't seem so
BingoBoingo: Bruce wagner piece was linked from /r/bitcoin
asciilifeform: !s bruce wagner
assbot: 12 results for 'bruce wagner' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bruce+wagner
BingoBoingo: He was Roger Ver before Roger Ver was Roger Ver
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
adlai: ;;later tell asciilifeform fwiw, proper key management protocol dictates that one mention the new keyid upon registration of the new
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: adlai: same keyid
asciilifeform: adlai: yearly expir time increment
adlai can't even begin to fathom the 'key management protocol'resulting in such symptoms
asciilifeform: adlai: assbot, as i understand, has a manually-curated cache of pubkeys
adlai waits for thereallifeform to see his message
asciilifeform: so i ride on the outside of the train until kakobrekla wakes.
adlai: unless he's already riding on the upside of the anthill
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 17:07:59; asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/25MGHBZ for everybody else
adlai saw! what else could start such babble
adlai doesn't care, it's not like he needs anything pgp signed from alf. might as well broadcast loper-over-avian-carrier
adlai: (if anything, this is a symptom of lazyness towards c++ turdballs!)
BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform
assbot: The Justice Department just shut down a huge asset forfeiture program - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb3ERn )
Duffer1: it's my understanding that they did it for budgetary reasons and may renew the sharing program when the feds plug their shortfall
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00050405 = 26.9163 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: > plug their shortfall
assbot: Large Lot of Assorted Bike Parts/ Accessories!! (GD1052) - GovDeals.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb53Hz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82700 @ 0.0005088 = 42.0778 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93989 @ 0.0005069 = 47.643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00050994 = 44.1098 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73700 @ 0.00050438 = 37.1728 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00051064 = 16.2894 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118676 @ 0.00051136 = 60.6862 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: works best as part of a balanced diet, which includes banhammer << by... ip ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167000 @ 0.00051207 = 85.5157 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> LOOK BRUCE WAGNER is back << that's probably that goat fuckwit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes << forfeiture now a fedz-only game << in the logs last week!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00051276 = 13.9471 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58031 @ 0.0005128 = 29.7583 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: blast from the past... "This mob mentality may be the end of Bitcoin." http://trilema.com/2013/whats-a-sperglord/#selection-151.223-151.267
assbot: What's a SpergLord ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCW6lp )
mircea_popescu: anyone recall bitcoinasic.com ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/27/ceos/ << or, for that matter, a very young bb ?
assbot: CEO | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Prx0fE )
ben_vulpes: wahahahah oh ho
ben_vulpes: there is a new file in /Applications
ben_vulpes: "Upgrade to El Capitan"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 249300 @ 0.0005121 = 127.6665 BTC [-] {6}
adlai: arise, chicgkuun!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279650 @ 0.00050604 = 141.5141 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00050899 = 12.7502 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98100 @ 0.00051319 = 50.3439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131450 @ 0.0005133 = 67.4733 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90550 @ 0.00051346 = 46.4938 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: "WARNING: abnormally high number of blocks generated, 48 blocks received in the last 4 hours (24 expected)" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1VlA65j )
kakobrekla: Soviet high-rank bureaucrats often acted like that when they were ordered to design something new. If they couldn’t cope with the task they committed outright forgery and sometimes it even impaired national defense.
kakobrekla: The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been designed – they were imported from the
kakobrekla: USA and embedded in the computer. Original labels were brushed out and Soviet labels were put on the chips instead of them...
kakobrekla: well that was lulzy.
thestringpuller: !gettrust justus_ranvier
assbot: justus_ranvier is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95100 @ 0.00051335 = 48.8196 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot thewhet.net is down :(
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: not from here, thestringpuller
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354353 << is 'quent' supposed to be a less free version of frequent or a less subsumed version of subsequent ?
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 17:13:39; Quent: I don't think you guys have the brains or funds to carry out these DDoses
punkman: was probably "quant" but hard not to misspell
kakobrekla: actually we had this before
kakobrekla: ;;ud quent
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quent | quent. A gentlemanly way of saying cunt! Example Usage: "I kindly ask you to refrain from using my wife's ass in that impertinent manner, you quent!". by stumow ...
pete_dushenski: quent, esq.
assbot: What the Economic Crash of 2008 Taught Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbhrHC )
pete_dushenski: "Only by managing that monstrosity through the crisis did I come to fully appreciate how unlike physics markets are, how crucial to outcomes other people and luck are, and how, no matter how hard I worked or how much I prepared, there would always be some things I couldn’t completely fathom."
pete_dushenski: til 'maya crude' is a thing.
pete_dushenski: and i called myself an oil country boy...
punkman: "the quaint quant" would be a good name for a blog
assbot: Quaint With Paint ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbhAL5 )
punkman: I'd rename that to "I paint old shit"
pete_dushenski: doesn't quite have the same ring to it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9744 @ 0.00051343 = 5.0029 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: "Do I have to be a resident of one of the countries mentioned above? No. You can live anywhere in the world, except of Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea or New York State." lol'd
assbot: Cashila ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSdowz )
pete_dushenski: heh. it begins.
kakobrekla: thats some derpy slovenian startup.
pete_dushenski: go smack 'em with a fish then
pete_dushenski: tell 'em compliance is for bitches
pete_dushenski: what, vw doesn't comply with regulations. why should a broke-ass start-up ?
kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "
pete_dushenski: the only thing better than being first is being the last.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39192 @ 0.00051344 = 20.1227 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: rebooting an old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323387: asciilifeform: since a patch has multiple antecedents, would an accurate description of the correct patch-selection algo for press be something along the lines of "given a patch, find its antecedents. presssed version must contain the descendants of all of those antecedents."?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:32; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: ben_vulpes: if you want to press a minimal version of a patch, you can recursively find all antecedents of a HEAD patch
ben_vulpes: minimal doesn't work i don't think
ben_vulpes: well, by stan's criteria.
punkman: why not
ben_vulpes: has to press the same tree as any other v given the same head
ben_vulpes: there are only 2 ways to guarantee that that i see:
ben_vulpes: 1) only press the head patch in question (this is how i wrote my press)
punkman: imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3.
ben_vulpes: 2) press all same-leaf patches
ben_vulpes: what?! how can there be more than a single head
ben_vulpes may be experiencing a weekend of retardation
punkman: is not git
ben_vulpes: or life, who can tell
ben_vulpes: nigga please, i only have one head.
ben_vulpes: and i ain't git either.
ben_vulpes: did pyv press multiple heads?!
ben_vulpes: nono, pyv only pressed a single head.
kakobrekla: <pete_dushenski> what, vw doesn't comply with regulations. why should a broke-ass start-up ? < not big enough
ben_vulpes cracks mod6's v to inspect for multiheadpressing
ben_vulpes: i'm no perlspurt but mod6's only appears to press a single head as well punkman
punkman: yep
ben_vulpes: good ol' define-by-impl
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: not now, not ever, not at this rate.
ben_vulpes: <punkman> imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. << i don't actually disagree with this, i simply do not think that the design of v allows for multiple heads. do cite me something to the contrary if you're aware of any.
ben_vulpes could have had a whole bottle of nieto sentenier for what this single glass cost
punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?
ben_vulpes: whatever the user supplies for pressing, non?
ben_vulpes: the act of pressing only allows for a single head, regardless of whatever other patches exist.
punkman: they are both heads
trinque: seems reasonable to want both in that case.
ben_vulpes: punkman: but for a given "press"ed source tree /there can only be a single head/, per the implementations that i'm looking at.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354636 << dunno man, wewracked the logs and there truly was no mention!
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
ben_vulpes: adlai: didn't you work on the thing extensively?
adlai: you'll just have to read it for yourself, i guess, because i'm not about to sign a single cons of it until i redo that myself :P
ben_vulpes: what was the /point/ though? and the story behind its conception?
adlai: it's a giant heap of shit, that yes, i shoveled/pooped/nurtured, in a past life
adlai: aha
adlai pours another
adlai: it all began in thefaraway distant land of freenode
adlai: i mean the thing is amazingly documented, ask specific questions please
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ben_vulpes pulls up a --
adlai: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3K9306C.txt )
ben_vulpes: goddamnit adlai do you know how much miserable code i have to read?
adlai: yeah a couple programmer-years according to sloccount iirc
ben_vulpes: !up asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: oh god. damnit. assbot.
ben_vulpes: wait, workz now?
assbot: what
adlai slaps the bot on the ass with a large trout
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: are you voiced now?
kakobrekla: he is voiced by you
ben_vulpes does not waste pixels on voice status
ben_vulpes: ty kakobrekla, much appreciated
kakobrekla: hey i havent done anything yet
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: assbot still b0rk3d
adlai: dude wtf pixels it's exactly one column of termspace
kakobrekla: will look into it shortly
adlai: ;;rate ben_vulpes -9000 pixel pusher
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
adlai: !rate gribble -1 rude af
assbot: gribble is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: not under nine thousand
ben_vulpes unimpress
ben_vulpes: yo asciilifeform can you comment on 'press' thread?
adlai: ben_vulpes: so whot got you back to sheeple anywaays,googling for toposort impls?
ben_vulpes: up yrs neckbeard
adlai: at least add site:stackoverflow
adlai: saves you the shithub\
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i just read the log. it is yet unclear to me what was asked for
asciilifeform: what means 'multiple heads' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53787 @ 0.00050443 = 27.1318 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: ask punkman, not me.
asciilifeform: the only way you could logically press 'multiple heads' is if the heads are from disjoint trees
asciilifeform: i thought this was pretty obvious
asciilifeform: the example i gave earlier (see logz) was if we were to have a documentation dir
ben_vulpes: my question was determining what patches make it into a pressing.
asciilifeform: nothing in it would directly depend on anything in the source
asciilifeform: oh incidentally the current dependency graph walker is in some ways erroneously conservative
asciilifeform: (and this includes mine)
ben_vulpes: perhaps this is what confused me
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shall i restate the question?
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 390569 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 534 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 31 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: do
ben_vulpes: let me double-check some baseline conclusions first
ben_vulpes: a patch may have multiple antecedents, correct?
asciilifeform: BUT only because a patch can affect multiple files, can it have multiple ~immediate~ antecedents.
ben_vulpes: i seek to understand better what same-tree-level means
assbot: Why We (Still) Can't Live Without Rubber -- National Geographic Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/22tYFSb )
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'Back in 1992 $200 billion were stolen from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation with the help of so-called “fake letters of advice”. Russia was on the brink of a financial collapse. The Central Bank was urgently equipped with more than 10 000 encoders manufactured at Russian plants. It helped to prevent thefts. It should be noted that there were no foreign electronic components in the encoders, even keyp
asciilifeform: ads and displays were manufactured in Russia.' (from your earlier link) - this was maslennikov
asciilifeform: (who designed the little signature machine)
ben_vulpes: if i press with a head P that has antecedents Q, R, S, must my press *only* include the descendant P of Q, R, and S? or *all* descendants of Q, R, S? or all descendants of any of Q, R and S?
mircea_popescu: !up Foo___
kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: фальшивые авизо
asciilifeform: ;;google фальшивые авизо
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: methinks gribble is ascii-only ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: circa '91-92 about 1/4 to 1/3 of ru national budget was stolen, mainly by chechens
ben_vulpes only online for the duration of this particular bloody mary
asciilifeform: using very elementary fakes of 'aviso' (bank transfer)
adlai: ben_vulpes: honestly it's a better story for a blog post!
adlai: failing a blog post i'll have to deed it instead
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354604 << just some random noob hitting all the places with his random noobassery.
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 23:50:18; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354353 << is 'quent' supposed to be a less free version of frequent or a less subsumed version of subsequent ?
adlai: or is deedbot now trademark registry
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: your question is elementarily answerable by looking at the hashes. each file hash exists solely because it came out of another patch. apply recursively.
asciilifeform: (process stops when you hit the genesis)
ben_vulpes: roger
ben_vulpes: adlai: just don't b42 it yo
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: roger, ty, loud and clear.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=20 << mentions the aviso scam
assbot: Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The dossier, compromising, News - The Russian mafia, organized crime and corruption. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSgb97 )
asciilifeform: ;;google chechen aviso
gribble: How Russian Gold Reserve Was Plundered - PravdaReport: <http://www.pravdareport.com/news/russia/13-12-2002/19134-0/>; Dzhabrailov Umar - Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole ...: <http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=20>; Chernoy Mikhail - Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole ...: <http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=189>
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354631 << and Tim Mitja Zagar is the first guy with a penis. because he's never seen anyone else's.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:11:28; kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "
adlai: ben_vulpes: i would i f i knew the charset
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that the aviso debacle took place, is not controversial. the debate among historians appears to be about whether a quarter, third, or even half of the budget was stolen, and whether it even makes a difference precisely how much
kakobrekla: mkay.
ben_vulpes: adlai: invent it!
kakobrekla: i must say that aklepov site is quite interesting.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:29:35; punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00051344 = 10.6025 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: no, that's the root.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is correct
mircea_popescu: ah damn. right.
asciilifeform: it is the root
asciilifeform: a 'head' incidentally is not a fixed item, like in g
mircea_popescu: why we even discussing "a head" ? why does it make a difference ?
ben_vulpes: well git's head is only branch relative non?
ben_vulpes really off now.
asciilifeform: it is simply the place you grab onto and pull out a sequence
punkman: head is what gets arbitrarily toposorted to the top?
mircea_popescu: seems to me it should stay undefined. i just assumed you were discussing roots
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you define it when pressing
asciilifeform: the original question appears to be about whether 'v' ought to take multiple arguments for head. and the answer is yes, but i did not write this because we had only one genesis
mircea_popescu: wait. do i even have to ? "start from here and apply everything from these people" isn't exactly "defined"
asciilifeform: with multiple genesis (e.g. documentation) it is necessary.
mircea_popescu: imo it only should take a parameter for root.
asciilifeform: mno you never 'start from here and apply everything' because there can be mutually exclusive branches
mircea_popescu: mebbe i misunderstand something ?
asciilifeform: think about it
mircea_popescu: right. one root, multiple leaves yeah.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354670 <<< afaik it's chet's term for sheep-people.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:31:22; assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
adlai: mircea_popescu: afaik you haven't learned lisp yet
adlai: aka "adlai's term for sheep-people"
adlai: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0M5BY52.txt )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354595 << incidentally this is a half-truth. 8086 clones were indeed made in su. just not quite on schedule.
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 23:06:44; kakobrekla: The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been designed – the
kakobrekla: we are lucky to have you.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:39:31; asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. but the thing really oughta be more granular
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, P should come in P, P' and P'' flavours as needed.
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of the original design was this refactoring of patches./
asciilifeform: presently a vpatch is really an agglomeration of patches
adlai: deedbot-: gpg: public key decryption failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
asciilifeform: to see what i mean, break all vpatches apart on file-hash tuple boundaries, and then feed into mod6's vtron set to wild mode, and generate the plot
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354741 << it's not "advice" it's "notice", same root as in visa.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:43:06; kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit.
asciilifeform: incidentally, maslennikov's book raised a question in my head, were western banks making use of modern crypto in '91 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. and also, the chechen story is mostly a fabrication for internal su consumption.
mircea_popescu: right in there with the jews that cooked kid-challa.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the fake aviso being sole source of chechen money thing certainly is fake
asciilifeform: but that chechens knew how to steal ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing. for the other... obviously they stole all the goats they could, but that didn't really register.
asciilifeform: anyway the complete story was that chechens set up faux transfer, and immediately used the proceeds to buy us dollars
asciilifeform: the exchange rate of dollar in ruble climbed exponentially
asciilifeform: and then - at the time crypto was introduced - stopped abruptly.
asciilifeform: whether stopped for this reason, or because god pressed a button, i do not know.
mircea_popescu: capital flight in a collapsed federation is a universal reliable phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: exactly same happened in the last days of austro-hungarian empire
mircea_popescu: expect the same in the last days of the us. not being a nation is VERY dangerous.
kakobrekla: !up asciilifeform
kakobrekla: eh ferfuxake
mircea_popescu: !up asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu. but why would the exchange rate freeze at that particular time ?
asciilifeform: that was the thing that made the legend credible
mircea_popescu: counterparties stopped accepting rubles for eurodollars.
mircea_popescu: trade went to commodity-only, which drove the rapid deindustrialization of 93
asciilifeform: (incidentally, maslennikov reveals several levels of shammitude. for instance, according to him, NOBODY actually USED the calculators. they were issued pro-forma. the actual signing was done with a - never officially approved - pc proggy)
mircea_popescu: (still to this very day putin's ru does not match "we will bury you" su in various key industrial production metrics)
asciilifeform: in which of them ~does~ it match ?!
asciilifeform: i know of none
asciilifeform: only petro export, really
mircea_popescu: foreign reserves.
asciilifeform: aha but bought by 'selling pieces of the motherland' (stalin's words)
mircea_popescu: and energy exports, and avionics, and a list really.
mircea_popescu: ru is not nearly as aerospace capable as the su was when sputnik, but it's certainly not as bad as it had gotten by 1980
mircea_popescu: (comparative terms)
asciilifeform: sorta funny how virtually same rocket is still used.
asciilifeform: and no serious qualitative improvement was ever made, nor - likely - will be
asciilifeform: (korolev's '7')
mircea_popescu: well a rocket's a rocket.
mircea_popescu: same penis is used to make kids as made napoleon, too.
asciilifeform: tell this to the contemporaries, who built many, many failed variations
assbot: Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/22u0b6Y )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
asciilifeform: recall the incident where marshall nedelin and all of his adjutants were so thoroughly cremated that they were recognized by loose shirt buttons
deedbot-: accepted: 1
adlai: !down adlai
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] She-santa brings toys, robo-reindeer bring the pain. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/
asciilifeform: adlai: such emo !
mircea_popescu: http://nautil.us/issue/31/stress/what-i-learned-from-losing-200-million << restated because it's uncharacteristically not terrible.
assbot: What the Economic Crash of 2008 Taught Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbhrHC )
mircea_popescu: there is the lulzy part where "physics phd" genius boy props up a huge derivative trade with a weak market, an absolute noob mistake - and one his fucking desk should have caught.
mircea_popescu: but whatevers, the us' has long gone to the monkeys.
mircea_popescu: "Hitting a market’s ceiling like this was something that none of my methodologies accounted for." << because going "hey, my primary's like 20bn, the unwind that might need could easily be 2bn in a week, the whole fuel market's maybe a fifth that, hey check this out I've propped a car with a toothpick overf here"
pete_dushenski: also "hey, check out the sweet gov of mex account we scored. brownie points all around!"
mircea_popescu: that part is right.
mircea_popescu: heck, the age of trade was driven by people trying to make their trading house matter more than the ministry of war where all the cavalry officers and junkers hung out.
pete_dushenski: when was the age of trade you speak of ?
mircea_popescu: 1500 to roughly 1750
mircea_popescu: the dictum "never get involved in a land war in asia" is mostly due to the fact that the portuguese were involved in a sea war in asia, and it worked splendidly for them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00050219 = 5.0219 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: british were in sea war with asia as well around the same time, ya ?
mircea_popescu: no. the british hadn't yet been invented at that point.
mircea_popescu: the dutch followed the portuguese, and after their conquest of the offshore platform and re-basing of their ships there....
mircea_popescu: "In other words, the Fed, by centralizing stress testing around its own approach, is incentivizing banks to follow suit, which may push them to accumulate similar exposures to one another and to manage them in similar ways, resulting in decreased diversification and increased risk. This is a question raised by particularly prescriptive rules like the Fed’s 5 percent hurdle, which are simple to monitor but may be just
mircea_popescu: as simple to game."
mircea_popescu: in other words, the us fed is managed way the fuck worse than b-a. because hey, the world is full of "physics phds" that went to fucking mit.
mircea_popescu: shoulda grazed sheep instead. learned more, at any rate.
pete_dushenski: not as many fillies at pasture
pete_dushenski: not the kind you'd take home to mom, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: And why his favored approach to stress testing (a technique called Bayesian nets) << oh lordy.
mircea_popescu: doesn’t involve trying to derive probabilities at all, but rather asks the user to just “produce your best-informed guess.” << and you'd love this precisely because of who you are, and where yo ulive, and what you want to be true.
asciilifeform waits to buy 'bayesian' hammer and saw at hardware store
asciilifeform: is 'bayesian' the new... runcible ?
mircea_popescu: so it is.
mircea_popescu: of course, it is only superficially related to bayes' own work.
asciilifeform: phun phakt. can tune out if ever hear 'physics phd!!1111' - this has been a leper's bell of pseudoscientific cheap crackpottery for a century+
mircea_popescu: the actual bones under the abomination are mostly "this is everything" and "all people are equally, each individually, the complete and proud representation of all humanity" and bla bla.
mircea_popescu: it's the crackpottery of the times.
asciilifeform: (~actual~ physics specialist will not brag about phd, any more than a cabbie brags about driver's license!)
mircea_popescu: i have never met any even half-competent physicists that were proud of their... paper certifications.
asciilifeform: nor will lawyer brag about passing the bar, etc
asciilifeform: it's cheap chumpatronics for rubes
mircea_popescu: I dropped my bike in a bush and texted our salesperson about the idea. <<< re the entire chechens thread.
mircea_popescu: fucktard. i'd be worried about the sms from the bush a lot more if i was dealing billions with this schmuck.
adlai: !up asciilifeform
adlai: ;;later tell therealascii fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: adlai: therealascii was beheaded some time in early 1500s
adlai: shame, i'd have paid to see how high the head flew
kakobrekla: id put my money on kakos fault
mircea_popescu: no kookie for kako!
kakobrekla: the usual.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9808 @ 0.00051344 = 5.0358 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354909 << i've always marvelled at systems where it turned out that security consisted of 'nobody would dare'
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 01:36:22; mircea_popescu: fucktard. i'd be worried about the sms from the bush a lot more if i was dealing billions with this schmuck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16925 @ 0.00050198 = 8.496 BTC [-]
adlai: sometimes you gotta tempt fate else she'll never tempt youback
pete_dushenski: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/buy-to-let/11816720/Death-of-buy-to-let-landlords-wake-up-to-Osbornes-150pc-tax.html << "Connie Cheuk (pictured above), a landlord with five properties, will see her tax bill rise by almost 40pc. She is even contemplating giving up her 18-year career as a teacher as a means of reducing the tax impact"
assbot: Death of buy-to-let: landlords wake up to Osborne's 150pc tax - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVnBOy )
pete_dushenski: " In fact, contrary to Mr Osborne’s suggestion, the only buy-to-let investors who will not be hit are the very wealthy who buy property in cash and who don’t need a mortgage."
pete_dushenski: good fuck riddance to all the wanna-be land barons.
pete_dushenski: buy the place for cash or enjoy the coming squeeze
pete_dushenski: buncha interst-only mortgage louts...
ben_vulpes: oh more tail risk explosions?
ben_vulpes dreams of the popescuian luxury of time
pete_dushenski: actually osborne's tax might minimise the blast radius of a black swan by pushing wanna-bes to the exits before the next "no one could've predicted"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: what would you do with this time ?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351342 << note how only one of the reinderps are actually doing any work
assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:15:13; ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/7aNkaSl.gifv
assbot: She-santa brings the toys, robo-reindeer bring the pain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVopTA )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fake it till you make it!
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: write a curriculum, write incorporation docs for the federated states of cascadia, tango, the odd simulation problem that's been nagging, low-profile nearly-submersibles...
ben_vulpes: the list of onanistic projects is bounded only by one's imagination, savvy?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how do you figure ? the auto-car thread is just a good example of wishful thinking that some prototype is the guaranteed fyootoor. no different than google glass, e-books, iot, etc.
pete_dushenski: btw ben, you home schooling ?
ben_vulpes: but in the meantime, must tend to $bezzlecorp, meatwot, $product, fambly etc.
pete_dushenski: $product is unrelated to $bezzlecorp ? or do i misunderstand the segmentation there
pete_dushenski: !up asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: it's complicated.
ben_vulpes: and you even have to ask re homeschooling?
ben_vulpes: !s daycare
assbot: 19 results for 'daycare' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=daycare
thestringpuller: o look a pete_dushenski
thestringpuller: my blog is almost ready
thestringpuller: and boi do i have an interesting story for my first post
thestringpuller: just gotta rip the plugin code bingoboingo gave me for archives and categories and have pages for that and it'll be ready for action.
pete_dushenski: looking forward to reading it
kakobrekla: gpg: key 01ABFFC7: "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>" not changed
kakobrekla: hurrdurr
ben_vulpes: relatedly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350387 << i am /so/ looking forward to this
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 14:57:33; mircea_popescu: it looks like trilema's going to get moved off php at this rate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49023 @ 0.00051359 = 25.1777 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: and when i list keys
kakobrekla: pub 2048R/01ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2016-12-24]
kakobrekla: uid Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: were you homeschooled ?
ben_vulpes: nearly as bad
ben_vulpes: waldorf
ben_vulpes: sixth grade was my last there.
pete_dushenski: "The philosophical foundation of the Waldorf approach, Anthroposophy, underpins its primary pedagogical goals: to provide an education that enables children to become free human beings, and to help children to incarnate their "unfolding spiritual identity," carried from the preceding spiritual existence, as beings of body, soul, and spirit in this lifetime"
ben_vulpes: mostly it's designed to produce happy little fab-line beez
pete_dushenski: but but free human beez !
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: why not send the kiddo to montessori ?
ben_vulpes: because i'm an impoverished usian?!
pete_dushenski: or better yet, talmud torah !
ben_vulpes didn't think this was news to anyone
pete_dushenski: montessori's, what, $1k/mo ?
ben_vulpes: yes, one price everywhere
thestringpuller: jesus 1k a month?
thestringpuller: nigga plz. send that niglet to public school. get into fights and shit
thestringpuller: toughin' him up
adlai: maybe mikesy didn't really have volume&depth history, an he rode out of shame
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: well, i'm seeing ranges of $8.5-11.5k per annum for portland montessori. but close enough.
adlai: oh hmmm... bbiab
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 22:00:39; mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in
ben_vulpes: no, i'll not go buy fashionable fancy toyz.
ben_vulpes: nor will i feed my family shit and demand they call it bread.
ben_vulpes: i have a perfectly capable baker on staff already. yes it takes some time to make bread. so bake, and later eat.
ben_vulpes: "yes, this is the best flour your father can afford, and the best bread your mother can bake. be glad there is bread on the table and not the shit your little friends must eat."
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: were i to actually want to spend the money, it'd be the tution for the quality schools in the area *i* attended, not the fashionable ones i *didn't*.
ben_vulpes: the tuition for which was 16K (for hs, and only a moderate hike from the lower school rates) in 2004, and most likely has doubled since.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-12-2015#1354903 << by this logic, you should never trust a guy who writes tradebots for a living further than you can chuck him, because they all list the physics phd on the resume right underneath the eighteen bankruptly IPOed tradeshops
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 01:32:37; asciilifeform: (~actual~ physics specialist will not brag about phd, any more than a cabbie brags about driver's license!)
ben_vulpes: the canonical #b-a thread to reference here is that "americans, no matter how they slave, cannot even begin to approximate that which their fathers took for granted".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00051232 = 15.8307 BTC [-]
adlai: ;;later tell trinque deedbot- ate my thingy in the bad sense
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: it'll crap it soon; txn went out
trinque wonders idly at the mystery of adlai the poet
BingoBoingo: Wondering about that much LSD would prolly be bad for my sobriety
adlai: for posterity's sake, and to help the logs on their asymptotic journey to selftience:
assbot: Logged on 12-12-2015 04:47:27; *: BingoBoingo wonders if there is a 12 step group for LSD adlai can explore, remembers medically induced ibogaine hallucinations likely conntributed to Bill's spiritual experience
assbot: Let me google that for you ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxLf1b )
BingoBoingo hopes that the ipad ben_vulpes gets to shut his kid up is a vaxstation
ben_vulpes: amiga or c64 but right idea
BingoBoingo: Maybe Apple IIGS?
adlai long since pankakked from there, but the place is ;;rate tripsit 10 in his book
adlai: A1 steak sauce people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00051383 = 24.0472 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: adlai: But how is tripsit a 12 step group if it doesn't even have step 1?
adlai: kick a troll in the nuts faster than you can say "why would you do that here"
adlai: BingoBoingo: because it has rule #1, so you need to source the drugs yourselrf
BingoBoingo: That's like the exact opposite of step one.
adlai: aha
adlai: !b 5
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1QT56R1.txt )
adlai: oops
adlai: the beautifyl thing about deedbot-algo is that you can verify without spending
trinque: nice and simple.
ben_vulpes: do many deedbot- outputs get spent?
ben_vulpes: trinque: also
adlai checks every now and then, sweeps
trinque: adlai has picked up some
adlai: it's so much better than leaking trilema credits
trinque: in other deedbot news, I've got a CL bot that knows how to ghost and get his name back
trinque: coupla more weekends and I'll shoot the python one in the head, then make the CL one eat his own code
adlai: pics^H^H^Hource or it deedn't happen
adlai: aka "not necessarily in that order"
ben_vulpes: ouroubot?
trinque: heh
trinque: could make him eat a genesis v-patch of himself
ben_vulpes: s/c/s///
trinque: aha
adlai: first you'll have to add a v command that curls vpatches
BingoBoingo: adlai: Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol that our lives had become unmanageable. "WHO cares to admit complete defeat? Practically no one, of course. Every natural instinct cries out against the idea of personal powerlessness. It is truly awful to admit that, glass in hand, we have warped our minds into such an obsession for destructive drinking that only an act of Providence can remove it from us."
BingoBoingo: "No other kind of bankruptcy is like this one. Alcohol, now become the rapacious creditor, bleeds us of all selfsufficiency and all will to resist its demands. Once this stark act is accepted, our bankruptcy as going human concern is complete." - 12&12 page 21
adlai: and put that in its own pipe, and smoke
adlai: !down BingoBoingo
adlai: assbot): adlai, you can't do that to BingoBoingo. (Trust: L1 1, L2 12)
adlai: but i thought wot mathematics was incommutable :(
BingoBoingo: Butt assbot trusts too
ben_vulpes: incuntmuteable
adlai: oic
adlai goes diddle her twat already
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 427.21, vol: 7281.56632429 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 425.861, vol: 6230.34925 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 426.3, vol: 24849.1143505 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 1.22437492 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.062248, vol: 61909.74250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 32.51342368 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 433.552, vol: 24.69601643 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 427.428343752
BingoBoingo: UNCRASHING
adlai: dat 420 bounce
adlai: dat checksum
deedbot-: accepted: 1
adlai would build it, and they'd come, but he is le lazy...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36868 @ 0.00050917 = 18.7721 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: where was that?
adlai: here, there, in between
adlai: and now... everywhere
adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.trinque.3:10f3f2ecbc7b662971edccdd24770d859e50389dd7cdc92bac50166fb3b4fd4e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 2 to 3 with note: i used his tool so much it broke
adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.asciilifeform.3:cbab6fa56a5bd443ad000495b5d01edccf9a33e84216b207c29a35ed8c94ba8e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 2 to 3 with note: implementational in instrumenting the new key management paradime
BingoBoingo: ;;google CVE-2015-3641
gribble: CVE-2015-3641 - Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - The ...: <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-3641>; [bitcoin-dev] Upcoming DOS vulnerability announcements for Bitcoin ...: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009135.html>; CVE-2014-3641 - NVD - Detail: <https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-3641>
adlai: there goes the uncrash... twas fun while it lasted
adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.liquidassets.-1:483f07366c480206c52e90e6223639072ea568b76d8c5e9257c8ec1357743680
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for liquidassets with note: has yet to improve SNR, but negrates are an invitation to improve, you jimcrowwit-chickenshit
adlai: ;;later tell mike_c it's goot to have btcalpha.com back
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: dat 30day change! such signal!
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mike_c ty for the return of web
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: i have no explanation for this but its not assbots fault per se it seems.
adlai: thought plickens.
kakobrekla: !up asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla. it is not assbot's fault, but the keyring's
adlai: re:bundle-390596, if it ever shows up: it's the best kind of snr amplifier, fueled by the tears of gamblers and the sweat of 'investors'
asciilifeform: your keyring appears to still contain my key expiring on dec. 25.
asciilifeform: (which is to say, same key, but lacking the renewal packet i added on 25th)
asciilifeform: the new key was sent to several different sks boxen
adlai: fwiw back when i had to cull a key, something to do with revocation certificates seemed to do the trick
kakobrekla: pub 2048R/01ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2016-12-24]
kakobrekla: Key fingerprint = 1721 5D11 8B72 3950 7FAF ED98 B982 28A0 01AB FFC7
kakobrekla: uid Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>
kakobrekla: seems like 2016 is the new one, no?
adlai: iirc it also made deedbot- roll over and play funny
asciilifeform: so what gives
kakobrekla: no fuckin idea
kakobrekla: te exported key is new or old in dpaste?
asciilifeform: appears to be the new one
kakobrekla: well then wtf.
assbot: dpaste: 3Q5N0NN ... ( http://bit.ly/1kmTSzF )
asciilifeform: all of this might have something to do with my switching to 1.4 this year
adlai: was than an upgrade down or retro?
adlai: (in king's english, what the hell were you using before?)
asciilifeform: adlai: 2
kakobrekla: well you are the expert in these matters, what are we suppose to do now
adlai is the expert in brainfuck, not assbottery
adlai: damn Anonymous is an impatient customer... double-check, payout payout... people need to rethink their liquidity
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: try verifying something i signed with the new key
asciilifeform: notice that jurov's turdatron was able to!!
asciilifeform: or the aws-killer script could not have been posted.
adlai: https://bitbet.us/bet/1218/luke-skywalker-turns-to-the-dark-side-in/#c5444 is right on the money though, bet should've been a tossup
assbot: BitBet - Luke Skywalker Turns To The Dark Side In Episode VII :: 1.61 B (81%) on Yes, 0.37 B (19%) on No | closed 2 weeks 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1kmUAwY )
adlai: i'd leave my nickels in the tipjar but it does seem awfully full
kakobrekla: asciilifeform got anything handy?
asciilifeform: or this
assbot: Coinbas was removed from bitcoin.org wallet page! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVCOzm )
assbot: [BTC-dev] AWS Banhammer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdZBUM )
adlai: and this is worth almost a year-day of upboats
kakobrekla: gpg: Signature made Sat 26 Dec 2015 12:37:34 AM UTC using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
kakobrekla: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
adlai shoots, he scores! he sweeps, he snores
asciilifeform: jurov's box found it...
kakobrekla: could be a different gpg version
kakobrekla: and mine is 'buggy'?
kakobrekla: v1.4.12 ftr
asciilifeform: i'd like to know what's on jurov's box
kakobrekla: !down asciilifeform
kakobrekla: until further notice.
kakobrekla: so you wont get a cold riding outside the train.
asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla
asciilifeform: sadly i gotta go to bed, starting at new uranium mine tomorrow, catching the old-fashioned train at sunrise.
kakobrekla: good luck
asciilifeform: ty. i will get to the bottom of this crud when i get back.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00051404 = 14.0333 BTC [+] {2}
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