mircea_popescu: what is the "left sympathy" of the "West" other than the disilusioned of 3rd borns at their own disenfranchisement ?
mircea_popescu: runts ever so often make the world a better place, that if they all unite the internet can't possibly be long away.
mircea_popescu: (think of blair's own personal history - "england is great except for 2nd borns" "maybe you get lucky" "what if i don't ?" "let's make an empire, then". and after a century "empire work is too hard")
mircea_popescu: the eldest didn't inherit naught but the tears of the non-elders, and their butthurt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or in other words, to paraphrase, "the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in things. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc."
mircea_popescu: (hey, is my inclination to reuse qualify me as a noob lisp-er ?)
mircea_popescu: gimme, you know, an independent value and i shall henceforth move the earth from orbit on its leverage.
phf: disenfranchisement is such a dirty word, we prefer wealth impaired
mircea_popescu: it happens to be proper. see, "wealth impaired" hints at the (mistaken) notion that you know, there's something out there, maybe you find it. whereas the system REQUIRES for there NOT to be such a thing.
mircea_popescu: you can never grow the pie. but if you can be made to believe you'll grow the pie, then all bets are off, and the whole house collapses into rubble.
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assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:25; mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.
phf: well, the way i see it, pre-soviets my family had a handful of hotels and titles with corresponding land, there's not much pie growing possible, it's either i who own them, or some bloke in the ru pipeline hierarchy, and as it stands it's not me. so i'm only parodying soviet terminology with "impaired" talk
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't intentionally skip for the purposes of "чайные ложечки" rhetoric, just talking about how the things are now
phf: бабка, по материнской линии то, с самим василием петровичем, городовым, чайи попивала, а вы говорите!™®
phf: i don't think mp talks about willpower, there's some sort of munchausenian pulling yourself by own bootstraps (in the original meaning of the passage) point that keeps eluding me
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mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em.
mircea_popescu: (i do not see any lack of continuity in soviet degeneracy as compared to pre-soviet, but then again that's just me._
mircea_popescu: I did a U-urn and screeched wheels and they began firing handguns at usboom, boom, boom! I thought we would die, but their fire discipline is as poor as their manners.
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mircea_popescu: "Link your 21 box to your Twitter account, and any paywall website lets you read anything you want without popups, ads, or subscriptions." << except 90% of all paywall usage in bitcoin is to read trilema. which isn't in on this plan.
mircea_popescu: o look, tech crunch still beatying the "bitcoin governance" horse.
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shinohai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Artist chick shuddered at irc I think, wishes to contact you via email.
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assbot: Pooch Selfie: The Best Way to Capture Selfies with Your Dog! by Clever Dog Products — Kickstarter ... (
http://bit.ly/1iuesh6 )
shinohai: So I can't just ducttape a tennis ball to my smartphone. I need to fund a kickstarter for this junk.
shinohai: I could literally pay some doge derp $1 to 3-d print that holder, I have the same product and the derp thinks "yay my currency is a success"
cazalla: punkman, ya think as much as a single person uses that facebook pgp?
punkman: cazalla: dunno, maybe a few
punkman: naturally, because the CEO knew about salmonella in company emails
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shinohai: My sides may split permanently.
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mircea_popescu: shinohai well the beauty of social media is that you can readily ignore individual people in pursuit of rules.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, not like she's the only one there neh ?
shinohai: Duly noted. No responses from anyone else yet but I'm actually enjoying art perusal so no biggie.
mircea_popescu: check out how the internet is giving a voice to ordinary people!
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 06:04:20; mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em.
mircea_popescu: alfie, there's a reason things work the way they work which happens to be opposite of the way you want them to.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ am i very lame if i have nfi who that is ?
funkenstein_: notrly, he makes some nice pieces from time to time though
mircea_popescu: would you not say the attempt to treat people as things has gone far enough ?
mircea_popescu: im sure if "stick a knife in his eye socket and push up" thing resulted in a coolotomy,
mircea_popescu: looky here, if i strip a chick naked, blindfold her, stick a quart of diluted wine up her asshole, spin her around for five minutes and then encourage her to "move towards the cock she prefers"
mircea_popescu: 100m cocks in attendance or not, she ain't picking any directions.
funkenstein_: "Janet Yellen was left standing naked in the hot glare of her own carbonizing credibility, a pitiful larval creature, still maundering about the data, and the median growth projection, and other previously-owned figments spun out of the great PhD wonk machine in the Eccles Building."
mircea_popescu: not like that is any sort of limit of any practical importance.
mircea_popescu: "The Geography of Nowhere, or the rise and decline in america's man-made landscape", what's wrong wioth that ?
mircea_popescu: "Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer forRolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He
mircea_popescu: has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields."
mircea_popescu: he apparently also has no idea that he looks to people who actually know about the world as a retired and perhaps scandalous antrhopologist of the "physical" ilk.
mircea_popescu: what exactly architecture would have to do with this is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance because one time he kicked all architects out of the room because "who the fuck asked you anything - man on the street knows more about buildings than you do"
mircea_popescu: (which happens to be true, architects know a lot about how buildings may be, and for this reason nothing about buildings that are)
mircea_popescu: just like no sane person takes smoking advice from gps.
mircea_popescu: the three week course being in fact the whole profession
mircea_popescu: well it's such an obvious application of number analysis 101
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mircea_popescu: "oh teach why should i know this ?" "so you're not the sort of savage/monkey that is reduced to building mud huts"
mircea_popescu: (exercise to the aspiring anthropologists of the OTHER ilk in attendance ("cultural", ftr. you're welcome.) : write one page explaining the difference between "deficiente" and "disgraziato".)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i die anytime soon i will be a fabulous character of folk history won't i.
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mircea_popescu: (and yes is what i mean by savage/monkey, and no it's not an easy point to grok, and yes i did have this as a term paper in my naked girly school once and so sure, imagine myself with the whiprifle looking down on your efforts if it helps)
mircea_popescu: modern man, if airdropped in africa, would have nothing useful to teach the natives.
mircea_popescu: then people wonder why boko haram, and why all the rest. srsly ?
phf: can teach them scientology
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, "boko haram" simply means - "you suck". it's deliberately named this way, in the same sort of joke vein in which /. was named that way - to get stupid old ladies confused by the metasyntaxis problem. so stop calling it this if you donm't actually agree the west is the suck.)
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:47:32; phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you
mircea_popescu: little thought is given to "what did the daughter go there AS ?"
mircea_popescu: "i sent my piece of fuckmeat to africa - they don't know this about her there. yet."
mircea_popescu: volunteer corps or whatever the fuck it's called made a lot more sense 20 yeasrs ago, back when kids COULD actually do architecture by hand. at least thye idea that hey, you don't HAVE TO live in mud huts could spread (it did). but today ? what exactly do they know "how the ipad must behave" ?
mircea_popescu: teach the rest of the world consumers have come to expect, aha, nice aids you got there.
mircea_popescu recalls the recently published metal from scratch photoblog thingee.
phf: "Searching and collecting the bog iron ore from the bottom of the river."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean specifically the shape of the blade. very elegant.
mircea_popescu: "Now its all aging badly, fraying, too costly to fix and, increasingly, not worth scraping off the land and replacing with a new cheap, shitty building. The younger generation doesnt even want to live in that suburban dystopia. They run shrieking from it to Brooklyn, or even downtown Troy, New York, up the Hudson River Valley. Alas, this younger generation has also been broadly victimized by the college loan rack
mircea_popescu: et reinforced by the revised bankruptcy laws that make it impossible to ever write-off this sort of debt. When will they get political about it? Their debt loads will disfigure their lives as surely as a tour of duty in Vietnam would have forty years ago. Perhaps Siri has not informed them about this."
mircea_popescu: this is perfectly valid a point. it is unclear if vietnam cripple or new-new-new-new-feminism cripple are in a worse situation.
davout: 'Siri has not informed them about this' <<< kek
mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand".
davout: it gets old quickly, tried to order prostitutes, did not work, useless
mircea_popescu: "siri bitch, got any homeho's to get this party started???"
davout: siri would apparently rather be home and play videogames
mircea_popescu: there's only one thing that reliably exceeds in shocking ridiculousness the actual wishes and expectations of people
mircea_popescu: and that one thing is the idea merchants have about what those wishes and expectations are.
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mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile, what remains on the other head of this two-headed economy besides driving to-and-from the Walmart? Pornography? The tattoo industry? Meth and narcotics? Prostitution? Professional sports on the flat screen? Kim and Kanye? Grand theft auto? Do you really think Donald Trump can fix this?" << prostitution.
mircea_popescu: i foresee a great industry of buying american third gendered persons by the pound,
mircea_popescu: at 500 lbs average and with a 30% survival rate the numbers show a 300% gross margin available
mircea_popescu: could probably cut a deal with the cities so that they install solid bars spaced one foot apart somewhere downtown, circumscribing a sort of pen, then the police just dumps whoever in there. if they manage to go through the bars, or whatever, if someone lifts them up fine.
mircea_popescu: "sir... would you not like... to eat salami... of a sensitive artist...like me ????"
mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question.
punkman: eww, who'd want to eat american hamplanet
funkenstein_: i can't imagine you'd find buyers in the end but throw it up on kickstarter anyway?
mircea_popescu: "You are SO on the mark my friend. Nothing has improved unless you are a wall street banker public employee or large corporation. All of the above we can do without. There was and is nothing better than that small town america pre I phone and internet."
mircea_popescu: the only thing good about that america was that it kept to its stupid self and i never ran into it.
mircea_popescu: punkman besides, think about all the valuable prion research this would usher in. GOOD FOR SCIENCE.
funkenstein_: "That site is welcome to republish my Monday blog. Other sites do. Be my guest."
mircea_popescu: and it has one meal. "i dunno about that and i'm important so... how about that happens in terms im familiar with ?"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either. << When my youngest brother went on campus visits to engineering programs the Engineering College Dean joked that the architecture school was full of the Civil engineering program's failures
mike_c: heh. and civil is full of mech eng failures
funkenstein_: nah, variety speak is pretty open terminology compared to above failure mode
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Brother's doing mech, graduated this spring, decided to stay there a while longer
mike_c: ah, congrats to him. he's two orders of magnitude smarter than an architect :)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ for instance. but it's deeper than that, it's a strange thing. sort-of like "this is alien and so before anything it must prove its value to me in my own terms".
mircea_popescu: somehow emitter is completely unable to notice that means IT WILL KILL YOU then.
mircea_popescu: but somehow still knows it enough to go about making laws about how BAD killing is. you know... in general.
mircea_popescu: just in that [unthinkable!!!1] case where someone might want to. why would they!!! inconceivabru!!1
mircea_popescu: the sane "this is alien therefore must investigate" is rare enough to be usable as a selection heuristic.
BingoBoingo: Eh, kunstler is old enough father time will probably get him before you do mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i wasn't even proposing i was. who cares, yet another blogger.
mircea_popescu: but, induction. that age old method to derive value from worthless ingredients.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you will notice (im not even sure if that was attempted sarcasm or not tbf) that the imperative to learn variety speak is not so i can understand the othjer, but so that the other can begin to think.
mircea_popescu: language is still the cheapest "mind amplifier" the world knows, to borrow an alfism.
thstringpuller: 20150262171, “Bitcoin Private Key Splitting For Cold Storage”
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mircea_popescu: hi guise i am running linux and i thought i'd integrate the kernel.
mircea_popescu: also, am i the only one that thinks the butch cassidy&sundance kid film utterly sucked ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people are so gaga over it (in the us only - nobody cares afaik outside of the pesthole)
mike_c: newman and redford are good together
mircea_popescu: "here's an oreo wrapper with two mugs on it, bring your own film."
mike_c: I don't think it's amazing as a film, but I've seen it a few times.
mircea_popescu: at the very least the question as to WHY the phenomena observable take place is left entirely to the viewer. to my mind this disqualifies it.
mike_c: I like it like the spaghetti westerns. Just good popcorn movies.
mircea_popescu: so this is basically the porn argument ? "i dunno man, i just like how those two tits match visually ? it's an aesthetic thing." ?
mircea_popescu: i always thought the spaghetti westerns were parodic, which makes them more palatable. tho i can't say i ever liked one.
mike_c: It's newman and redford - Nobody (should) be taking it too seriously.
shinohai eagerly awaits The Hateful Eight.
mircea_popescu: redford is mostly that policeman tv series to me. but newman made excellent films.
mike_c: My issue with a lot of older movies like that is the love interest plotline would have been better left on the cutting room floor
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, anyone remember barefoot in the park ? with a thoroughly indigestible barbarella, she could have been diaz in very bad things)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of very bad things, anyone seen that thing ? it's... hm. i humbly suggest it to the feminist hating crowd!
mircea_popescu: the "future of bitcoin" will be bitcoin, and it will be pointedly NOT "as anonymous and private" as a made-for-usg fake anon/privacy hangout. at the very least for as long as i'm around.
shinohai: Just make an altcoin and leave bitcoin to do what it does.
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. in other news, "Those who are interested in Trump are voting for a stop to the illegal immigration and the flooding of America with future Democrats who will have no jobs and live off food stamps, but are convinced the Democrats will keep their new way of life alive."
mircea_popescu: just like the libertard just went and made his country in africa and lived there happily ever after.
mircea_popescu: the entire fucking plan is to spend other people's money.
mircea_popescu: and for that, you gotta pretend you're part of something worth something. cant just go out in the field. they've not yet invented the saprophytical parasite.
mircea_popescu: "Likewise, barter is a very awkward way of doing business, especially when the other party to a deal is across the world. Thats why gold has acted as the medium of exchange for 5000 years or so and why gold or a gold-backed paper certificate will eventually replace all the fiat money that exists today."
shinohai: umm .... ok because the gold standard worked out so well before.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:35:05; *: mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand".
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i had an ipad for a while doing game research.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:45:17; mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question.
ascii_field: 'them short pig ran out, we eat long pig now'
mircea_popescu: i really like my idea of the foot-apart steel pillar pen.
ascii_field: i don't actually know anyone, afaik, who could not - if with some effort - fit through that
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ascii_field: 'Bitcoin did not respond to a request for comment about TRR.' << he died, motherfuckerz ! have el minimo respeto por los derpadores !!11
mircea_popescu: i dunno they keep derping about how they support ecc and how great it is and how blabla. protonmail.
ascii_field: what, i can't walk over and drop in a base64 turd ?
ascii_field: ' S obtains a list of online TRR nodes and their public keys then selects three to five nodes randomly to form a routing. We call the first node of the routing the ‘starting node’ and the last node the
ascii_field: ‘releasing node’. S generates a pair of public keys to encrypt the return data then inserts the public key into the routing information for each node...' << tor, snore.
ascii_field: aaaaand we get to the point where they advocate the use of ecc
ascii_field: aha, let's Run Moar Ecc! in real time! with average pc rng !
kakobrekla: !rate BitcoinConsultan 1 gonna do some work for me
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, !gettrust could say BitcoinConsultan (soandso) instead of just BitcoinConsultan.
mircea_popescu: should read : Trust relationship from mircea_popescu to 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 (mircea_popescu)
assbot: You can not rate yourself.
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ascii_field: legend has it that kara mustafa pasha rated himself -10 after failing to seize vienna
shinohai: !rate mircea_popescu 1 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert.
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mircea_popescu: well, meanwhile we figured out change in assbot response saner solution
mircea_popescu: but in principle if it's feasible it wouldn't hurt also.
mike_c: kakobrekla: btcalpha eats the nightly db dumps
mike_c: like registered since, fingerprint, etc.
mike_c: just has trust ratings
mike_c: but i could at least put that blob on the 'not found' page
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mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy.
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assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 19:30:09; mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy.
ascii_field: 'At DEC’s founding, the US Congress decided that the US government had bought too many computers, and decreed that no more would be bought until those machines already acquired were fully loaded. So DEC sold PDPs, not computers.'
trinque: "No Mr Congressman, these are merely data processors which happen to be programmed."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo further proof (if such were needed) that no usg/vc funded item is a bitcoin company.
mircea_popescu: they may try to scam bitcoiners, for money, yes. but bitcoin companies they can not be.
ascii_field: they ~are~ 'bitcoin companies' in the 'roach motel' sense
ascii_field: 'feel free to put it ~in~, just don't expect it to come out again'
ascii_field: 'Black Flag also marketed a related insect trap, the "Flyport," designed to deal with unwanted flying insects like houseflies, with the tagline, "Lots of arrivals, but no departures!"' << l0l
mircea_popescu: for one thing, cockroach infestations only become perceptible to average human after dozens of lbs of cockroach matter are moving around.
mircea_popescu: i guess the problems in the ustard head are actually there. same sort of thinking that creates "war on drugs" creates this thing, too.
mircea_popescu: unsustainable and provably-won't-solve-the-problem but hey, it has a nice package!
ascii_field: my understanding is that the 'motel' notion was partly a misguided variation on the usual rodent trap, and partly a cynical scam (there could never be, clearly, anything like sufficient room in the trap, but it will superficially appear to 'work')
trinque: you're being sold "I did something"
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's these fluorescent + static things to murder flying bugs outside, at least those do something.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aaaactually it too is a scam!
ascii_field: i have one. it mainly blows up beetles but does nothing against the real pestilence, the mosquito.
ascii_field: spectacular snaps, crackles, pops, very little actual use.
ascii_field: the ~right thing~ would be a grid that is normally at low voltage but boosts to max if capacitance changes (bug touched)
mircea_popescu: guy fucks 15 yo daughter of his gf. child results. is convicted, but suspended sentence.
mircea_popescu: so he gets two years (plus two from the original, suspended sentence)
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jurov: no remittances, no butts!
jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt.
jurov: wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week."
BingoBoingo: <jurov> wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week." << Hard to get the same level of repeat customers buying more every week
jurov: then again, birds do catch them, you may want to replenish
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 20:52:35; jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt.
gernika: I live about half a mile from the Pacific Coast. Constant cool breeze seems to have eliminated them completely.
BingoBoingo: Here we have trucks that go around farting fog that thin out, but do not eliminate mosquitoes
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: You are prolly to close to the lizards and hippies for the fog trucks
cazalla: or is it ;;? lastseen? it's early, anyone?
gribble: felipelalli was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <felipelalli> They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow.
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
cazalla: punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new << This, someone had a slow news day and wanted to make a fuss
PeterL: Nothing very interesting, just testing lots of Pepto-knockoff recently
PeterL: You follow college fooball?
phf: op_checksig is horrendous
PeterL: A while back mircea_popescu was amazed no US cell phones have free incoming: my cell phone is unlimited calling, therefore free incoming (MetroPCS)
phf: the whole 10 step program of "take some bits and do some stuff with" them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62050 @ 0.00075674 = 46.9557 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Been following it a Bit. I'm worried because Mizzou won its non-Conference schedule and Georgia beat SOuth Carolina. We might not take the SEC East this yeat.
PeterL: They will if they keep winning
BingoBoingo: They won't keep winning if they play like they did barely beating Arkansas State and U Conn
PeterL: My Spartans got ranked #2, and the #1 OSU is looking pretty shaky, I don't think they will last long enough for us to knock them off their pedestal
PeterL: I wish more teams played good competition in their non-confrence schedules
PeterL: I don't think a win over a FCS school should count on the record (but a loss should count as 2)
BingoBoingo: I don't think Mizzou can and survive their non-divisional conference games without sever embarassment. Our big problem is Mauk lost the only recievers who can catch his passes and our elite running back sprained his ankle against Southeast Missouri...
PeterL: makes it hard to win if you can't move the ball
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Last year was had some very grabby recievers, but still won games on the ground.
BingoBoingo: Which is kinda part of why Alabama killed us in the SEC championship. Hard to run against a fast 300-350 lb line
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:23:51; mircea_popescu: "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not
PeterL: grabby receivers as in they catch all sorts of things?
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BingoBoingo: PeterL: Yeah, they caught all kinds of things that had no business at all being caught.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: But at least for next year we've already signed a 3-star tight end and our next great white hope at quarterback is getting some game time this year as a true freshman
PeterL: Why are so many quarterbacks white? And are there any good white running backs?
BingoBoingo: Mauk will still have a year of eligibility next year, but he should convert nicely to backup QB and rare white running back
PeterL: Don't they have black kids in texas?
PeterL: I think my HS football team had 4 black kids, and one of them was the running back.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: They have black kids in texas, but they slot them into running back
mircea_popescu: jurov dragonflies only trhive in particular desert climate.
jurov: pediwikia says they live anywhere except (sub)arctic
ascii_field: when they lay out a quality rsa8192 in the desert using beheaded infidels, fresh and still spurting, then.
ascii_field: (what is the minimum number of corpses required ?)
mircea_popescu: jurov from what i've seen, it's a certain river + sandy dune thing they like.
PeterL: ISIS could clearsign a statement with their donation address? Have they published any public keys to compare against?
trinque: mircea_popescu: sounds quite like houston, haha
ascii_field: PeterL: and even if they had, there is nothing to associate the keys with the genuine article
PeterL: well, nobody, but I havn't been looking hard
PeterL: didn't somebody here say that isis is just a usg puppet anyway?
mircea_popescu: so if you know nobody what are you going to verify it against.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field has these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history.
ascii_field: 'muppet' is to be understood as a kind of quasi-autonomous golem.
mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history."
ascii_field: a certain amount of 'u.s. army gets wiped' is always planned. at least on account of it never going 'all in'
ascii_field: last i heard, usg was not levelling syria with tactical nukes
mircea_popescu: last i heard germany is not levelling new york with tactical nukes either.
mircea_popescu: 'oh but germany couldn't, oinly us could" "how come ?" "it's part of my scenography for this bit of fan fiction"
ascii_field: germany is not sending squads of mercenaries to get own arses fed to them in new york
ascii_field: for all i know, new york isn't even there any longer. been a while since i visited.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 22:01:46; mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history."
mircea_popescu: the missing part of this "textbook" is how come there's no equivalent in say artic circle.
ascii_field: i'd be surprised if usg had never tried to roust up rebellion among the chukchas
mircea_popescu: "no, you can only make them do things they were gonna do anyway"
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. and if i go buy a twelve year old hooker in the DC, it's also the usg that supplied her right ?
mircea_popescu: "The [Washington] Post lied to its readers by printing stories it knew were false," mmmkay.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i might be thick, but i entirely cannot see how the hooker connects.
mircea_popescu: you have no better reason to pretend "x has arms because y" than to pretend "x has 12yo hooker because y". the choice of which of these to emphasize is the liberty of the scriptwriter in works of fiction.
mircea_popescu: because that's the thing with fiction : it's nonsensical, which means you absolutely need a carefully curated set of sentences be considered
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: so where did the arms, food, etc. come from ? fell from mars ?
ascii_field: from crates dropped to aid 'syrian rebels' daily, for a year ?
mircea_popescu: your gambit is to administratively suspend isis' agency, because you're too enamoured with the usg and that requires you (also administratively) assign all agency to it.
ascii_field: stole how? crate had address 'to rebels, but not THESE rebels' ??
mircea_popescu: (hint : you can't donate to a mouse. it steals all it ever gets.)
ascii_field: i suppose next mircea_popescu will reveal that usg dropped stingers 'for mujahedeen' but not for taliban.
mircea_popescu: so it did exactrly nothing. the men i nthat relationship are non-us
ascii_field: it has pieces of itself, that come loose, like the zombies in 'quake'
mircea_popescu: "usg spent some items to addresses it didn't have the key for. isis cracked the keys."
ascii_field: has resources that get dropped in various places.
mircea_popescu: so i guess the real story here is, mujahedeen cultivated usg to provide them with apples.
ascii_field: rather like nigerian petro thieves 'cultivate' the pipe they drill little holes into.
mircea_popescu: political choices are in the end nude exercises in narrative fiction.
ascii_field: except that buried in all of these are actual questions of fact that have - somewhere - answers. such as 'does this army fully support itself on plunder, or needs external supply, and if so, from where'
mircea_popescu: that is not an answer which can be made into a question.
mircea_popescu: ("our tanks photosynthesize now!!11 SUPPORTS ITSELF!!1")
mircea_popescu: the very definition of army includes two points : a) that it does not support itself (if it did it'd be a stampede) ; b) that it makes up the difference through plunder.
mircea_popescu: the definition of inputs into the army camp is "plunder".
ascii_field: but isis is being advertised as a conquering thing in the ancient sense. with territory held, administered, taxed
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see the only salient points re isis are that a) has own agency ; b) percepibly unalligned to usg.
ascii_field: by - supposedly - itself. but this is where we go back to 'i don't have a public key for it, so what, if anything, is to be taken as 'it said' is a ???.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, the angry jealous poor club should take solace in the knowledge that i've shed more dollar value this calendar year than they will ever manage to see.
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy outcome, the stupid got left behind and then decided to give away their remaining asset and split up!
mircea_popescu: so now there's going to be three-four meaningless forums + reddits + whatever else.
mircea_popescu: fragmentation of the masses! for gleat gloly & justic!!1
BingoBoingo: Of course. And each new one is less relevant than the old one. The old ones less relavant. More people hate Thermos than ever and they aren't even talking about his GLBSE shennanigans
BingoBoingo: "The yield for those who received the $7,000 annual scholarships was 7.1 percent a statistically significant difference" ... lol "At the same time, the study suggests that the impact of this kind of merit aid may not be large -- the yield rate was low even for those receiving it."
mircea_popescu: and the people who know they don't read because omfg, that'd be giving in.
mircea_popescu: in the us, i am deeply unsurprised it would do nothing.
mircea_popescu: "Critics have said that merit scholarships may help institutions, but dont truly help students (most recipients of merit scholarships have many options) or broad social needs in higher education (the merit awards divert attention and funds from the needs of low-income students)."
BingoBoingo: They even work almost in USia. Just rare to find people who get them, because so many people got to the MIT-Harvard free if you aren't a Soros lottery
mircea_popescu: marxism went from an overgrown cult/self help weirdo club to this sort of implicit agreed upon mantra.
BingoBoingo: I'm not even sure if this is actually Marxism any more
mircea_popescu: "there is relatively little research on the true impact of merit scholarships. "
mircea_popescu: you know, like there's relatively little research on the true benefits of hanging us academitards above a smoldering pit of hot peppers.
mircea_popescu: i know i've not seen nearly enough of it yet to suit my tastes.
BingoBoingo: Just with actual pigs getting to 6-7 ft in length are hamplanets still really the long pig anymore?
BingoBoingo: The ones that have gone feral in arkansas have been spotted and shot at 8-9 ft long...
lobbes can't help but imagine feral hamplanets running around arkansas
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Feral hamplanets don't run around. They stay indoors, in bed, and get "home health" nurses too keep them... cleaner...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20475 @ 0.0007609 = 15.5794 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's kinda the thing with the earlier "oh, they'll get out of the pen, fat is compressible"
BingoBoingo: It's compressible to a point, but the bigger point is most of them won't make it to the edge of the pen
BingoBoingo: And the gateposts can always be made taller
BingoBoingo: Round these parts we use gate to refer to ungated fence openings too
shinohai:
https://redd.it/3lv366 "If you truly believe that devices need to be loaded with Bitcoin, why wouldn't you just print out a QR, tape it to your Raspberry pi, and fund it with $700 in Bitcoin?"
BingoBoingo actually would like a cue cat, not so much usg Po-Po plug
shinohai hereby dubs the 21 by BingoBoingo 's name .. PoPo plug
shinohai: I was too lazy to alt to the hyphen, using my ancient droid to irc.
BingoBoingo: The Po-Po plug is a distant relative of the traditional urban American dance the 5-0 fondle
gernika: 1 month + later I make it past 367850. anyway. moving forward.
shinohai: I'm at 320740 and climbing, slow but sue.
mircea_popescu: actually 365 to 370k some of the messiest blocks in all of the chain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00075463 = 52.6732 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: waiting on realbitcoin to sync at least gave me time to make a sweet tmux config for it.
BingoBoingo: 365 to 370 has been the slowest part of my craptop sync so far
gernika: Would like to get my machine in a DC - but the cheapest hosting rate for a 1U I can find around here is $200.00/mo. Which is 4x more than I last paid for the same service.
shinohai: That's what I'm using, a cruddy old laptop. Glad it was in the library locked up really well.
shinohai: I might host a node down the road a bit, my experience trying this with Atlantic was less-than-stellar and set me back some.
shinohai: Got billed $250 for bandwidth overages
shinohai: I still have an account, just not gonna try and run bitcoind there, especially when they don't have a clue what it is.
shinohai: Accused me of "mining" from the get-go, shut me down, I bitched and got it back up only to be charged that insane fee.
shinohai: CS told me when I paid for initial service it wouldn't be a problem. I tried to explain it in the clearest way possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43561 @ 0.0007598 = 33.0976 BTC [+]
shinohai: I further explained the sheer idiocy of using a cloud instance to mine with, I wasn't some redditard from r/beermoney trying to collect dust.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seriously of you can't affor quality student, just buy more poor students
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 23:09:41; mircea_popescu: no, they won't. they'll sit there and cry.
mircea_popescu: i bet the "controversial" ceo now uses his vast wealth to fucking hang the entire troop of assholes, including the da involved.
phf: no an american woman
BingoBoingo in other news is finally trolling craigslit looking for an affordable heavy bag + stand combo
cazalla: stands are shit BingoBoingo put a pole and bracket up in ya backyard and hang off that
BingoBoingo: This is going in a basement space where a prior retard fucking drywalled the basement ceiling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61250 @ 0.00076138 = 46.6345 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: cazalla: could be, does have that Catlyn Jenner look going on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45766 @ 0.00075296 = 34.46 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00074798 = 40.9519 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: BECK$ on Twitter: "@danielpbarron I'm personally too busy to kick your ass but don't worry I'm sure someone else will" ... (
http://bit.ly/1WhlLYq )
BingoBoingo working on making sure someone else won't when it comes to kicking Bingo's ass
BingoBoingo after last outing with steel pole in the back yard picked up a pair of sweet gel bag gloves today. The steel pole felt like butterfly kisses wearing them.
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assbot: Logged on 23-09-2015 00:20:26; mircea_popescu: i bet the "controversial" ceo now uses his vast wealth to fucking hang the entire troop of assholes, including the da involved.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:34:46; mircea_popescu: does anyone even use that thing ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SInce it is old news but super trending I'll have a piece on the particulars of this FDA sanctioned pharma racket in the next day or so
BingoBoingo: But the short story for #b-a regs is this a a corn problem. If you can you must, and the FDA says you must,
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: COnsider though that this particular pharma slug is taking the other pharma slugs demanda upon the FDA to their logical extreme
BingoBoingo: He realizes that he has an easy button to get ALL of the dolalrs
BingoBoingo: Only scandal is he is a young buck taking the old stags to task
BingoBoingo: Imagine if someone bough a symbolics machine or Unix 7 and asserted re-Patent rights?
BingoBoingo: And in pharma when it happens they have steroids
BingoBoingo: Darl McBride's sphicter was chronically relaxed, prolly too much botox.
BingoBoingo: Pharma has had a few more "soft power" understandings. Like if the Jews in Israel at Teva can break even on a generic it isn'r really abandoned and such.
BingoBoingo: The differnce between Darl and this pharma lol-cow is all this one does is use the rules exactly as intended without ambiguity
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure. Darl was a lolcow because he forced his position on ambiguity. This one though lolcows by hitting everything and only those things he is explicitly allowed to.
BingoBoingo recomends if one gets malaria one ought to do so outside the US at the moment
BingoBoingo: Sure, it galls at first them you heal... and the scar galls
BingoBoingo: Or Obamacare breaks... pretty sure the goal here was breaking Obolacare
BingoBoingo: But this is not the first dirt cheap drug to turn uranium plated by any stretch
BingoBoingo: Uric acid, still expensive after being under a dollar per arbitrary time span supply
BingoBoingo: Anything necessarily more expensive must be injected because monoclonal or delicate living origins
BingoBoingo: But even now those things are going from treatments for the rare and debilitating to treatments for the common and hammy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Consider bupropion, the one USG blessed mood regulating dopamine reuptake inhibitor. Simple chlorinated amphetamine on the ring. I wonder more who can't make it than who can
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron watch the guy being like 112 lbs and really awkward too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> why this particular schmuck was chosen as the whipping boy of the day << was in the news recently, '87 born catamite of "tiger fund" gonzo increased price of some shitty expired patent medicine nobody else was manufacturing because us is as springy as a dead halibut.
BingoBoingo: Actuall rather commonly used medicine. Part of 'Malarone' the premier anti-malarial cocktail.
BingoBoingo: But now the solo drug costs more than the combo.
BingoBoingo: Never mind the cheaper combo is more effective against what either treats and gets literally all the save-Africa subsidies
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but the 'research' is not happening. << this is a point.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> But even now those things are going from treatments for the rare and debilitating to treatments for the common and hammy << exactl;y, and these two go together. we're now at the point where "important" vaccines for purely imaginary conditions are being pushed out. srsly, some people get nonspecific pain from what may be a viral infection ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00076182 = 12.4177 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, now most of the new "biologics" released in the US are for various forms of "autoimmune" arthritis but not really.
BingoBoingo: They work more on repetative load injuries.
mircea_popescu: one of the most lucrative and so often targetted by pharma spaces is where doctors go "dunno, let's try this. and that. and then see."
mircea_popescu: that's 100% of psycho, and most of nonspeciffic pain (which only exists because gps wanted a loophole to prescripe medocal social security to healthy men) and then "old age/shit habits" diseases. like some arthitis types (aka gout)./
BingoBoingo: But seriously the big malingering complaint is now labeled "fibromyalgia" and there is actually a therapy that keeps these hams sated. Stong compounded mixes of tricyclic antidepressants and NSAIDS.
BingoBoingo: Then the knees fail mechanically due to the load they bear.
BingoBoingo: Gravity has been and always will be the ultimate shitlord
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00076265 = 27.913 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, poloniex lost its 50% eth trading marketshare. now #3, #1 being something "gatecoin"
BingoBoingo: Seems the Bitbet even slowed a bit after the bet.
BingoBoingo: Some folk must really want to fuck mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, haven't seen any deca BTC bets since the qntra
mircea_popescu: kinda been degrading tho, curious if there's the required 1-200 btc left in the eth cheerleader camp to get it back on target.
mircea_popescu: lkol wait. 21 thing won't accept btc for its "product" ?
assbot: Prepare yourselves for the assault on Ethereum by certain hostile elements within bitcoin community. : ethereum ... (
http://bit.ly/1YBdAZ1 )
mircea_popescu: "certain elements" are "attacking" the re-ripple thing by pointing out that it's stupid and pointless. TO THE BARRICADES!1
BingoBoingo: !up psztorc You know you dun got voice nao
mircea_popescu: recommended reading for asciilifeform just because i know he's a livresque masochist.
BingoBoingo: psztorc: Appologies for not replying to your email with wisdom, but my momma told me not to talk to strangers
psztorc: I suppose I'm a "certain hostile element with bitcoin community".
psztorc: The second one in the Eth link you just posted
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's got some sidechain betting thing, but more than that dun liek huffing ether
mircea_popescu: "Truthcoin is my ambitious project to create a trustless P2P prediction-marketplace. This is possible because, unlike most marketplaces, the end product of a prediction market (PM) is information. "
mircea_popescu: you understand the fundamental problem with trying to create a "decentralized market" do you ?
mircea_popescu: jesus reddit is retarded. omg not even wrong where to even start /me abandons the entire thread.
psztorc: The fundamental problem is tying the market to reality, without invoking a trusted 3rd party.
mircea_popescu: well no. the fundamental problem is that the function of a market is to centralize trade. decentralized market is like cool boiler.
psztorc: Can't a decentralized market centralize trade?
psztorc: One is a process, the other an outcome.
mircea_popescu: this argument is not even apparent if people were spherical cows in a vacuum. but as people are, it's impossible to obtain an outcome by opposite process.
mircea_popescu: dja know of any example from nature where something like that happens ?
psztorc: Would you say that Bitcoin centralizes all transactions in one blockchain database?
mircea_popescu: depends where you're taking it. this could perhaps be said.
psztorc: When I say "decentralized", I mean it the same way Satoshi meant it: headless and immortal. The individual traders still all "meet" in one "place".
psztorc: In the project I designed.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is why it actually is trustless. but also why it's irreversible.
psztorc: When I say meet, I mean same database.
mircea_popescu: but the "meet" in "market" has a different intension from "meet" as in "sql join".
mircea_popescu: in this sense, "the earth centralizes the imago-es of all astral bodies, as their light projection". nevertheless, the earth is not a black hole.
BingoBoingo: How a trusted third party could possibly be agreed upon though is among the most centralizing mechanisms possibru
mircea_popescu: to take a step out of the purest theory closer t oactual practice.
psztorc: You may be right about whatever you are talking about, but in Truthcoin the operations performed are almost exactly the same as existing Bitcoin transactions.
psztorc: To enable people to use Bitcoin in markets, and bet on real world things.
mircea_popescu: but in the original terms. "in Truthcoin the operations performed are almost exactly the same as existing Bitcoin transactions".
mircea_popescu: well bitbet is plainly a central market for clearing risk.
psztorc: What "is" is a different question than what "is for".
mircea_popescu: ok. it's for clearing risk in a centrally-controlled environment.
mircea_popescu: (clearing, obviously, is a term of art, in finance. it's the process whereby definite items are recognized by others. very similar to the function of a torens title registrar, or the births book, or the military despatches.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00076274 = 15.5599 BTC [+]
psztorc: Are we still on "why bother"?
gernika: Is it impossible to implement a public forum on a decentralized architecture, such as a dht?
psztorc: Don't you ever miss all of the lovely pdf formatting?
mircea_popescu: gernika a) would you agree that the superset of this inquiry is the bbs and b) would you say it meets definitions of either "forum" or "decentralized" as you use them ?
BingoBoingo: psztorc: No one really misses anything about pdf when they quit
psztorc: Well, I can pastebin it for you.
mircea_popescu: "What if you had access to the combined intellectual powers of all mankind? It would be easier for you to make decisions." << you know, not only this does not follow, but the contrary is actually recorded as anecdotal observation by pretty much all sources. like say russell.
gernika: mircea_popescu: I can see a bbs as a public forum, yes. The decentralization is not as clear to me, at least not in the way I used them. I only ever dialed into one.
gernika: and it had all the porn I needed.
mircea_popescu: but you will notice you downloading porn and the functioning of a market are unrelated.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the question here isn't whether you could stuff the heart of an ox, the guts of a pig and the lungs of a horse inside the skin of a skinned goose.
mircea_popescu: the question is whether the animal so obtained will quack.
gernika: The problem I see is that there's no profit motive for the market owner, because there's no owner, so no one will drive the thing to work. Which I hope relates to your last point.
mircea_popescu: ""Whereas a stock market is a place to buy and sell shares of a corporations earnings, a Prediction Market (PM) is a place to buy and sell predictions. Valid predictions entitle their owner to $11"" << this, foir the record, is horrible writing. do not mix things so far apart the abstraction scale, it confuses idiots and it gives smart people the impression your abstractor really has very little breadth.
psztorc: That was actually a footnote. It was $1 in the pdf
mircea_popescu: why would it be a magic number and why would the number reference an undefined concept.
mircea_popescu: suppose i read this in 3030, at which point no fucking body knows what $ is, and we decide it stands for "trustcoin"
psztorc: I'm specifically choosing not to target the 3030 audience.
mircea_popescu: "The current market price of these tradable predictions can then be interpreted as the likelihood of the prediction coming true." << because, why ?
BingoBoingo: The paper honestly reads to me as BitBet ad copy
psztorc: Those statements are not original research...they're lifted from several mainstream scholars, econ textbooks, wikipedia "prediction markets" article.
BingoBoingo: Just with BitBet it is hard to lose to butthurt retards
mircea_popescu: you're perhaps unfamiliar with the saying "traduttore, traditore".
mircea_popescu: careful what and whom you steal from, lest you get poisoned.
psztorc: These are very basic concepts, not exactly plagiarism.
mircea_popescu: "When anyone can trade, no source of information is overlooked, and market forces balance
mircea_popescu: info-sources in a way that is consistently and unanimously acceptable." << like that.
mircea_popescu: none of this stands to actual scrutiny, but hey, peopel got enamoured with whatever that irish thing was called, and it got to die a hero's death so we'll hear about it like we wouldn't have heard if it just died naturally.