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mircea_popescu: what is the "left sympathy" of the "West" other than the disilusioned of 3rd borns at their own disenfranchisement ?
mircea_popescu: and they'll fix it, i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: runts ever so often make the world a better place, that if they all unite the internet can't possibly be long away.
asciilifeform: not as if there were anything for the eldest to inherit these days, in typical case
mircea_popescu: (think of blair's own personal history - "england is great except for 2nd borns" "maybe you get lucky" "what if i don't ?" "let's make an empire, then". and after a century "empire work is too hard")
mircea_popescu: ofcoursenot. but for this reason.
mircea_popescu: the eldest didn't inherit naught but the tears of the non-elders, and their butthurt.
mircea_popescu: that's all the value that'll ever exist.
mircea_popescu: lolz and drama.
asciilifeform inevitably, when this comes up, thinks of the turks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or in other words, to paraphrase, "the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in things. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc."
mircea_popescu: (hey, is my inclination to reuse qualify me as a noob lisp-er ?)
asciilifeform: nah just sanity
mircea_popescu: gimme, you know, an independent value and i shall henceforth move the earth from orbit on its leverage.
asciilifeform: l0lrchimedes
phf: disenfranchisement is such a dirty word, we prefer wealth impaired
mircea_popescu: it happens to be proper. see, "wealth impaired" hints at the (mistaken) notion that you know, there's something out there, maybe you find it. whereas the system REQUIRES for there NOT to be such a thing.
mircea_popescu: you can never grow the pie. but if you can be made to believe you'll grow the pie, then all bets are off, and the whole house collapses into rubble.
asciilifeform: what is the pie in this line of thought ?
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asciilifeform: (does it count as 'grow' if you, british, conquer india? build machine looms driven by gurlz ?)
asciilifeform: what means 'grow', other than discovering a duplicate planet somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: notrly even duplicate planet.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:25; mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.
mircea_popescu: you can find all the planets you wish.
asciilifeform: 'the pie' implied some harvestable resource, no ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did not say 'cannot grow own balls'
mircea_popescu: lulz and butthurt.
asciilifeform: i was about to say 'balls cannot be grown from empty space' but it is conceivable that the biological foundation of what we think of as 'willpower' could be discovered and played with
asciilifeform: (pharmacologically or some other way)
phf: well, the way i see it, pre-soviets my family had a handful of hotels and titles with corresponding land, there's not much pie growing possible, it's either i who own them, or some bloke in the ru pipeline hierarchy, and as it stands it's not me. so i'm only parodying soviet terminology with "impaired" talk
asciilifeform: conveniently skipping the interim ?
asciilifeform: where su owned
asciilifeform: and used the proceeds to finance mathematics rather than golden toilets for a handful of degenerates
asciilifeform: (at least for the first half century or so)
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't intentionally skip for the purposes of "чайные ложечки" rhetoric, just talking about how the things are now
asciilifeform was bracing for the хруст французской булки (tm) (r) , pleasantly relieved
phf: бабка, по материнской линии то, с самим василием петровичем, городовым, чайи попивала, а вы говорите!™®
phf: i don't think mp talks about willpower, there's some sort of munchausenian pulling yourself by own bootstraps (in the original meaning of the passage) point that keeps eluding me
phf: in any case
phf bbl
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deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/21/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school/
pete_dushenski: and with that, bon soir !
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform discovered it is. but played with...
mircea_popescu: turns out it plays with you.
mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em.
mircea_popescu: (i do not see any lack of continuity in soviet degeneracy as compared to pre-soviet, but then again that's just me._
mircea_popescu: “I did a U-urn and screeched wheels and they began firing handguns at us—boom, boom, boom! I thought we would die, but their fire discipline is as poor as their manners.
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaha
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mircea_popescu: !up muruc
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 375577 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1414 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: "Link your 21 box to your Twitter account, and any paywall website lets you read anything you want without popups, ads, or subscriptions." << except 90% of all paywall usage in bitcoin is to read trilema. which isn't in on this plan.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, GENIUS
mircea_popescu: o look, tech crunch still beatying the "bitcoin governance" horse.
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davout: good morning
shinohai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Artist chick shuddered at irc I think, wishes to contact you via email.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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punkman: "After a year of design, development, and prototyping, Pooch selfie is ready to go to market." https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poochselfie/pooch-selfie-the-best-way-to-capture-selfies-with
assbot: Pooch Selfie: The Best Way to Capture Selfies with Your Dog! by Clever Dog Products — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuesh6 )
punkman: "patent pending"
shinohai: wow punkman
shinohai: So I can't just ducttape a tennis ball to my smartphone. I need to fund a kickstarter for this junk.
shinohai: I could literally pay some doge derp $1 to 3-d print that holder, I have the same product and the derp thinks "yay my currency is a success"
cazalla: punkman, ya think as much as a single person uses that facebook pgp?
punkman: cazalla: dunno, maybe a few
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punkman: naturally, because the CEO knew about salmonella in company emails
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shinohai: irccloud get k-lined again?
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shinohai: http://www.cio.com/article/2985252/us-congress-members-urged-to-communicate-using-encrypted-apps.html "The encryption used by communications apps such as WhatsApp is stronger than those of phone networks, says ACLU"
assbot: US Congress members urged to communicate using encrypted apps | CIO ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsJZJQ )
shinohai: My sides may split permanently.
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mircea_popescu: shinohai well the beauty of social media is that you can readily ignore individual people in pursuit of rules.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, not like she's the only one there neh ?
shinohai: Duly noted. No responses from anyone else yet but I'm actually enjoying art perusal so no biggie.
mircea_popescu: then this was made for you.
mircea_popescu: check out how the internet is giving a voice to ordinary people!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282294 << selective breeding works, but is the exact opposite of what i meant - which was something more like a (hypothetical) electric implant that gives you iron determination at the push of a button
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 06:04:20; mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahaha come on.
mircea_popescu: you know that long existed.
mircea_popescu: it's called a lobotomy!
asciilifeform: picture the opposite of lobotomy
mircea_popescu: (oh but you meant - do what i mean! not what i say!)
funkenstein_: http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fed-cred-dead/
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mircea_popescu: alfie, there's a reason things work the way they work which happens to be opposite of the way you want them to.
asciilifeform: 'i meant what i said and i said what i meant!' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ am i very lame if i have nfi who that is ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: engineer exists in order to take 'there's a reason why things work as nature intended' and feed it its own arse
funkenstein_: notrly, he makes some nice pieces from time to time though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform THINGS.
asciilifeform: incl. people
asciilifeform: who, for instance, lack wings
mircea_popescu: would you not say the attempt to treat people as things has gone far enough ?
asciilifeform: note that i did not say that we are ~likely~ to live to see this kind of trick. research has been just about entirely in the lobotomy direction, rather than this, no prizes for guessing why.
mircea_popescu: research is never in a direction in this sense.
mircea_popescu: im sure if "stick a knife in his eye socket and push up" thing resulted in a coolotomy,
mircea_popescu: nobody'd have protested.
asciilifeform: this is true. but think of modern pharma, where one really ~does~ 'pick direction' in the sense that there are, say, 100M synthesizable compounds you can work with
mircea_popescu: looky here, if i strip a chick naked, blindfold her, stick a quart of diluted wine up her asshole, spin her around for five minutes and then encourage her to "move towards the cock she prefers"
mircea_popescu: 100m cocks in attendance or not, she ain't picking any directions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'direction' here is not in the sense of 'chemist knows the effect' - as i described in earlier threads, the models are shoddier than pretty much anyone involved in that racket is willing to admit in public. i was speaking in the sense of what usg permits to be fed to people, for test, and thereafter sold
funkenstein_: "Janet Yellen was left standing naked in the hot glare of her own carbonizing credibility, a pitiful larval creature, still maundering about “the data,” and “the median growth projection,” and other previously-owned figments spun out of the great PhD wonk machine in the Eccles Building."
mircea_popescu: not like that is any sort of limit of any practical importance.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ not bad. who ?
asciilifeform: !s dopamine reuptake
assbot: 7 results for 'dopamine reuptake' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dopamine+reuptake
asciilifeform: ^example
funkenstein_: previous link ;)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ guy should work for qntra.
mircea_popescu: dja know 'im ?
funkenstein_: not personally but followed for ages
mircea_popescu: http://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/HistoryoftheFuture_Thumb.jpg << omaigawd the stench of poverty in the shape of self published wonk.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ so maybe it's time to make acquaintance!
funkenstein_ makes it so
mircea_popescu: "sprezzatura" first commenter ? oh COME ON
mircea_popescu: guy'd murder here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kunstler is, one of, orlov's mega-favourites. but i was never able to stomach his output.
mircea_popescu: "The Geography of Nowhere, or the rise and decline in america's man-made landscape", what's wrong wioth that ?
asciilifeform: that one's entirely readable, but like mr o, he tends to repeat himself.
mircea_popescu: "Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer forRolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He
mircea_popescu: has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields."
mircea_popescu: he apparently also has no idea that he looks to people who actually know about the world as a retired and perhaps scandalous antrhopologist of the "physical" ilk.
asciilifeform: scandalous anthropologist ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly architecture would have to do with this is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance because one time he kicked all architects out of the room because "who the fuck asked you anything - man on the street knows more about buildings than you do"
mircea_popescu: (which happens to be true, architects know a lot about how buildings may be, and for this reason nothing about buildings that are)
asciilifeform: this is solidly true
mircea_popescu: just like no sane person takes smoking advice from gps.
asciilifeform: esp. in usa, where they get a three week course on 'why it stands up' and four years of postmodernist claptrap
mircea_popescu: the three week course being in fact the whole profession
asciilifeform: if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either.
mircea_popescu still knows how to calc it all by hand.
mircea_popescu: INCLUDING the derivates aha.
asciilifeform: this was still taught in school, even in usa, when i was a kid.
mircea_popescu: well it's such an obvious application of number analysis 101
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mircea_popescu: "oh teach why should i know this ?" "so you're not the sort of savage/monkey that is reduced to building mud huts"
asciilifeform: re: earlier thread: i have a sequel! to the broomstick story! here goes.
asciilifeform: one day mircea_popescu opens an opthamologist's practice! everyone lines up, wants to give it a try! fella walks in, 'i need new spectacles, measure my eyes.' mircea_popescu hands him... a nagant, polished, izhevsk 1941 mark visible, clean, one round in the drum. 'eat.' patient: ??? mircea_popescu: 'you can come back for this later, go home, have some children, raise'em poor and make sure the nearsighted ones die!'
mircea_popescu: (exercise to the aspiring anthropologists of the OTHER ilk in attendance ("cultural", ftr. you're welcome.) : write one page explaining the difference between "deficiente" and "disgraziato".)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i die anytime soon i will be a fabulous character of folk history won't i.
asciilifeform: like haja nasredin, but better!
mircea_popescu: with rifles.
mircea_popescu: afanti with rifles.
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mircea_popescu: (and yes is what i mean by savage/monkey, and no it's not an easy point to grok, and yes i did have this as a term paper in my naked girly school once and so sure, imagine myself with the whiprifle looking down on your efforts if it helps)
asciilifeform: modern man-lite is guiltier of pyramids than of mud huts, but will transition smoothly to mud hut soon enough
mircea_popescu: modern man, if airdropped in africa, would have nothing useful to teach the natives.
mircea_popescu: then people wonder why boko haram, and why all the rest. srsly ?
phf: can teach them scientology
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, "boko haram" simply means - "you suck". it's deliberately named this way, in the same sort of joke vein in which /. was named that way - to get stupid old ladies confused by the metasyntaxis problem. so stop calling it this if you donm't actually agree the west is the suck.)
mircea_popescu: phf no he can't. for one thing - no license.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:47:32; phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you
mircea_popescu: little thought is given to "what did the daughter go there AS ?"
mircea_popescu: "i sent my piece of fuckmeat to africa - they don't know this about her there. yet."
mircea_popescu: "so i'm helping."
mircea_popescu: volunteer corps or whatever the fuck it's called made a lot more sense 20 yeasrs ago, back when kids COULD actually do architecture by hand. at least thye idea that hey, you don't HAVE TO live in mud huts could spread (it did). but today ? what exactly do they know "how the ipad must behave" ?
mircea_popescu: teach the rest of the world consumers have come to expect, aha, nice aids you got there.
asciilifeform: poul anderson's short story 'the man who came early' is about this.
asciilifeform: american bloke, circa 1950s, is in the army, falls into a time warp in iceland, ends up in 13th c.
asciilifeform: tries and comically fails to teach folks anything useful
mircea_popescu: no bark where they lived ?
mircea_popescu: antipyretics, already a lot.
asciilifeform: no bark ~in his pathetic head~
mircea_popescu: what is this, the brave private svjeik ?
asciilifeform: for instance, 'i'm good with metals!' -- 'what am i to do with this forge!?!!'
mircea_popescu recalls the recently published metal from scratch photoblog thingee.
mircea_popescu: is still impressed at the quality of the final blade.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the cheat is in the fact that the 'from scratch' folks do not actually have to do the metallurgy
mircea_popescu: you recall the thing i mean ?
asciilifeform: they can start with mineral from nowhere near home, pre-refined
asciilifeform: the shovel kalash ?
mircea_popescu: no, he started with stuff from the bottom of a lake.
phf: asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: very metallurgy
mircea_popescu: i still suspect shenanigans re final piece, but hey.
asciilifeform: not clear from the picture what the provenance of the 'thing from the lake' was.
asciilifeform: could be from old car.
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phf: "Searching and collecting the bog iron ore from the bottom of the river."
mircea_popescu: pic 5 has it ground to dust
asciilifeform: likewise, yes, the knife is shiny, but how do we know it cuts ?
asciilifeform: and cuts what, for how long, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean specifically the shape of the blade. very elegant.
mircea_popescu: "Now it’s all aging badly, fraying, too costly to fix and, increasingly, not worth scraping off the land and replacing with a new cheap, shitty building. The younger generation doesn’t even want to live in that suburban dystopia. They run shrieking from it to Brooklyn, or even downtown Troy, New York, up the Hudson River Valley. Alas, this younger generation has also been broadly victimized by the college loan rack
mircea_popescu: et — reinforced by the revised bankruptcy laws that make it impossible to ever write-off this sort of debt. When will they get political about it? Their debt loads will disfigure their lives as surely as a tour of duty in Vietnam would have forty years ago. Perhaps Siri has not informed them about this."
mircea_popescu: this is perfectly valid a point. it is unclear if vietnam cripple or new-new-new-new-feminism cripple are in a worse situation.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yeah, they dun got raped.
davout: 'Siri has not informed them about this' <<< kek
mircea_popescu: does anyone even use that thing ?
mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand".
davout: it gets old quickly, tried to order prostitutes, did not work, useless
mircea_popescu: "siri bitch, got any homeho's to get this party started???"
davout: siri would apparently rather be home and play videogames
mircea_popescu: there's only one thing that reliably exceeds in shocking ridiculousness the actual wishes and expectations of people
mircea_popescu: and that one thing is the idea merchants have about what those wishes and expectations are.
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mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile, what remains on the other head of this two-headed economy besides driving to-and-from the Walmart? Pornography? The tattoo industry? Meth and narcotics? Prostitution? Professional sports on the flat screen? Kim and Kanye? Grand theft auto? Do you really think Donald Trump can fix this?" << prostitution.
mircea_popescu: i foresee a great industry of buying american third gendered persons by the pound,
davout: gross
mircea_popescu: "processing" them
mircea_popescu: then selling the survivors by the head.
mircea_popescu: pay 2 maybe even 3 dollars a pound,
mircea_popescu: actual workable women still fetch 10-15k a head.
mircea_popescu: at 500 lbs average and with a 30% survival rate the numbers show a 300% gross margin available
mircea_popescu: to pay for the processing.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we could call this... 5th wave feminism.
mircea_popescu: could probably cut a deal with the cities so that they install solid bars spaced one foot apart somewhere downtown, circumscribing a sort of pen, then the police just dumps whoever in there. if they manage to go through the bars, or whatever, if someone lifts them up fine.
mircea_popescu: if not, sunday's buy day.
davout: haha
mircea_popescu: "sir... would you not like... to eat salami... of a sensitive artist...like me ????"
mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question.
punkman: eww, who'd want to eat american hamplanet
funkenstein_: i can't imagine you'd find buyers in the end but throw it up on kickstarter anyway?
mircea_popescu: punkman other ones.
mircea_popescu: "You are SO on the mark my friend. Nothing has improved unless you are a wall street banker public employee or large corporation. All of the above we can do without. There was and is nothing better than that small town america pre I phone and internet."
mircea_popescu: oh what the everloving fuck. seriously ?
mircea_popescu: the only thing good about that america was that it kept to its stupid self and i never ran into it.
mircea_popescu: punkman besides, think about all the valuable prion research this would usher in. GOOD FOR SCIENCE.
funkenstein_: "That site is welcome to republish my Monday blog. Other sites do. Be my guest."
mircea_popescu: interesting how failure works in humans.
funkenstein_: It's a cook book!
mircea_popescu: and it has one meal. "i dunno about that and i'm important so... how about that happens in terms im familiar with ?"
funkenstein_: sorta like.. learn variety speak?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either. << When my youngest brother went on campus visits to engineering programs the Engineering College Dean joked that the architecture school was full of the Civil engineering program's failures
mike_c: heh. and civil is full of mech eng failures
funkenstein_: nah, variety speak is pretty open terminology compared to above failure mode
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Brother's doing mech, graduated this spring, decided to stay there a while longer
mike_c: ah, congrats to him. he's two orders of magnitude smarter than an architect :)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ for instance. but it's deeper than that, it's a strange thing. sort-of like "this is alien and so before anything it must prove its value to me in my own terms".
mircea_popescu: somehow emitter is completely unable to notice that means IT WILL KILL YOU then.
mircea_popescu: but somehow still knows it enough to go about making laws about how BAD killing is. you know... in general.
mircea_popescu: just in that [unthinkable!!!1] case where someone might want to. why would they!!! inconceivabru!!1
mircea_popescu: the sane "this is alien therefore must investigate" is rare enough to be usable as a selection heuristic.
mircea_popescu: mike_c or at least two degrees of separation.
BingoBoingo: Eh, kunstler is old enough father time will probably get him before you do mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i wasn't even proposing i was. who cares, yet another blogger.
mircea_popescu: but, induction. that age old method to derive value from worthless ingredients.
BingoBoingo: !up thstringpuller
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you will notice (im not even sure if that was attempted sarcasm or not tbf) that the imperative to learn variety speak is not so i can understand the othjer, but so that the other can begin to think.
assbot: Coinbase Files 9 Patents for Bitcoin Products : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhtW5 )
mircea_popescu: language is still the cheapest "mind amplifier" the world knows, to borrow an alfism.
mircea_popescu: and if properly curated it does actually work.
mircea_popescu: unlike the more expensive ones. which - don't.
thstringpuller: "20150262176, “Hot Wallet For Holding Bitcoin”;
thstringpuller: 20150262172, “User Private Key Control”;
thstringpuller: 20150262171, “Bitcoin Private Key Splitting For Cold Storage”
thstringpuller: 20150262168, “Instant Exchange”;
thstringpuller: 20150262141, “Personal Vault”;
thstringpuller: 20150262140, “Send Bitcoin To Email Address”;
thstringpuller: 20150262139, “Bitcoin Exchange”;
thstringpuller: 20150262138, “Tip Button”;
thstringpuller: 20150262137, “Off-Block Chain Transactions In Combination With On-Block Chain Transactions.”
mircea_popescu: !down thstringpuller
mircea_popescu: da fuck was that!
funkenstein_: aha thanks :)
mircea_popescu: oh wait i think his list was 9 items long
funkenstein_: in lulzier news http://i.imgur.com/i56S1pa.png
mircea_popescu: !up thstringpuller
assbot: Hannott comments on Im building a dice game and want to integrate bitcoin like Satoshi Dice and Bitpotato... ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhHg2 )
mircea_popescu: "integrate bitcoin" ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck. how does that game even exist otherwise.
mircea_popescu: hi guise i am running linux and i thought i'd integrate the kernel.
mircea_popescu didn't even know kernel was differentiable.
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/i56S1pa.png << this is pretty much the entire story of "hyip".
mircea_popescu: sort of a diy scam thing.
mircea_popescu: also, am i the only one that thinks the butch cassidy&sundance kid film utterly sucked ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people are so gaga over it (in the us only - nobody cares afaik outside of the pesthole)
mike_c: I found it enjoyable.
mike_c: newman and redford are good together
mircea_popescu: i guess in an unstated solaris kind of way.
mircea_popescu: but that's not really about the film, is it ?
mircea_popescu: "here's an oreo wrapper with two mugs on it, bring your own film."
mike_c: I don't think it's amazing as a film, but I've seen it a few times.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: at the very least the question as to WHY the phenomena observable take place is left entirely to the viewer. to my mind this disqualifies it.
mircea_popescu: but maybe i'm just being academitarded.
mike_c: I like it like the spaghetti westerns. Just good popcorn movies.
mircea_popescu: so this is basically the porn argument ? "i dunno man, i just like how those two tits match visually ? it's an aesthetic thing." ?
mircea_popescu: i always thought the spaghetti westerns were parodic, which makes them more palatable. tho i can't say i ever liked one.
mike_c: It's newman and redford - Nobody (should) be taking it too seriously.
shinohai eagerly awaits The Hateful Eight.
mircea_popescu: redford is mostly that policeman tv series to me. but newman made excellent films.
mircea_popescu: and yeah some pretty shitty ones.
mike_c: My issue with a lot of older movies like that is the love interest plotline would have been better left on the cutting room floor
mircea_popescu: wait there was erotic interest in that ?!
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, anyone remember barefoot in the park ? with a thoroughly indigestible barbarella, she could have been diaz in very bad things)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of very bad things, anyone seen that thing ? it's... hm. i humbly suggest it to the feminist hating crowd!
funkenstein_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gEFnZP5X8Q <-- saw live a month ago, great show
assbot: PRIMUS: SPAGHETTI WESTERN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjstq )
punkman: http://www.podniesinski.pl/portal/wp-content/uploads/POD0710.jpg "Local nuclear energy guarantees a lively future"
assbot: FUKUSHIMA - podniesinski.pl ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjLEE )
assbot: The future of Bitcoin could be as anonymous and private as Tor ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOmAWp )
mircea_popescu: the "future of bitcoin" will be bitcoin, and it will be pointedly NOT "as anonymous and private" as a made-for-usg fake anon/privacy hangout. at the very least for as long as i'm around.
shinohai: Just make an altcoin and leave bitcoin to do what it does.
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. in other news, "Those who are interested in Trump are voting for a stop to the illegal immigration and the flooding of America with future Democrats who will have no jobs and live off food stamps, but are convinced the Democrats will keep their new way of life alive."
mircea_popescu: just like the libertard just went and made his country in africa and lived there happily ever after.
mircea_popescu: the entire fucking plan is to spend other people's money.
mircea_popescu: and for that, you gotta pretend you're part of something worth something. cant just go out in the field. they've not yet invented the saprophytical parasite.
mircea_popescu: "Likewise, barter is a very awkward way of doing business, especially when the other party to a deal is across the world. That’s why gold has acted as the medium of exchange for 5000 years or so and why gold or a gold-backed paper certificate will eventually replace all the fiat money that exists today."
mircea_popescu: ehehehe.
shinohai: umm .... ok because the gold standard worked out so well before.
lobbes: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282483 << where did mircea_popescu unearth the ipNohe ??! took it off a dead usg agent ?
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:35:05; *: mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand".
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i had an ipad for a while doing game research.
mircea_popescu: the shit s.mg pays me for :D
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282504 << people complain about pharmaceutically-polluted chickens and now we are to eat ~THIS~ ?!! l0l!
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:45:17; mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question.
mircea_popescu: people may complain, but people eat.
ascii_field: 'them short pig ran out, we eat long pig now'
mircea_popescu: i really like my idea of the foot-apart steel pillar pen.
mircea_popescu: self-testing.
ascii_field: i don't actually know anyone, afaik, who could not - if with some effort - fit through that
ascii_field: fat compresses.
mircea_popescu: I THOUGHT THEY WERE BIG BONED
ascii_field pictures a t. rex
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282594 << l0l, догоним и перегоним америку in derpatronics !
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 15:52:38; shinohai: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bitcoin-anonymity-trr-encryption-tor/ <<< asciilifeform will LOVE this one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00075703 = 15.1406 BTC [-]
ascii_field: 'Bitcoin did not respond to a request for comment about TRR.' << he died, motherfuckerz ! have el minimo respeto por los derpadores !!11
mircea_popescu: wtf is that ?
mircea_popescu: so facebook supports non-rsa-only pgp ? heh mkay.
ascii_field: l0l wat !?
ascii_field: specifically non-rsa ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno they keep derping about how they support ecc and how great it is and how blabla. protonmail.
ascii_field: and what's it mean to 'support' pgp ?
ascii_field: what, i can't walk over and drop in a base64 turd ?
ascii_field: into the comment box or whatever
mircea_popescu: you don;t understand how the world works.
ascii_field: evidently.
ascii_field: ' S obtains a list of online TRR nodes and their public keys then selects three to five nodes randomly to form a routing. We call the first node of the routing the ‘starting node’ and the last node the
ascii_field: ‘releasing node’. S generates a pair of public keys to encrypt the return data then inserts the public key into the routing information for each node...' << tor, snore.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: aaaaand we get to the point where they advocate the use of ecc
ascii_field: aha, let's Run Moar Ecc! in real time! with average pc rng !
mircea_popescu: !up BitcoinConsultan
mircea_popescu: is that armenian ?
kakobrekla: !rate BitcoinConsultan 1 gonna do some work for me
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b93c8571f17cfee7
kakobrekla: !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.BitcoinConsultan.1:93a7e68ec9677527ce4b06b9cb75c0f7dbebadac211fdbb3adb559f55a8034b0
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for BitcoinConsultan with note: gonna do some work for me
kakobrekla: !gettrust BitcoinConsultan
assbot: Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user BitcoinConsultan: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=kakobrekla&to=BitcoinConsultan | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BitcoinConsultan/
kakobrekla: well this is awkward
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00075703 = 21.1211 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what is ?
kakobrekla: how am i suppose to get keyid
kakobrekla: who made this thing anyway!!
kakobrekla: btcalpha is delayed right
mircea_popescu: mike_c would it be possible to have calls to http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BitcoinConsultan/ check on the spot ?
assbot: WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1YzPM7E )
kakobrekla: or !keyid <nick> perhaps
mircea_popescu: !whois kakobrekla
assbot: nfi
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, !gettrust could say BitcoinConsultan (soandso) instead of just BitcoinConsultan.
mircea_popescu: proper-er form anyway.
mircea_popescu: actually, no.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust mircea_popescu
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mircea_popescu: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/
mircea_popescu: should read : Trust relationship from mircea_popescu to 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 (mircea_popescu)
shinohai: dat infinity trust
mircea_popescu: some dogs more trusty than others yo!
ascii_field: what next, self-negrates ?
mircea_popescu: !rate mircea_popescu 10 Bro!
assbot: You can not rate yourself.
shinohai: !rated mircea_popescu
assbot: You have not rated mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
shinohai: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: legend has it that kara mustafa pasha rated himself -10 after failing to seize vienna
mircea_popescu: his name was LALA
shinohai: !rate mircea_popescu 1 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8f74a0ec10668141
mircea_popescu: best whore name ever.
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.1:1105ef4146cf896779115b949a7ae88ba71aec75ff8d03dd240e0c52de3ab255
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert.
shinohai: Now I feel better.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: yes
mike_c: sort of.
mike_c: I'll take a look.
mircea_popescu: well, meanwhile we figured out change in assbot response saner solution
mircea_popescu: but in principle if it's feasible it wouldn't hurt also.
mike_c: kakobrekla: btcalpha eats the nightly db dumps
mike_c: problem with doing it live is that http://w.b-a.link/user/BitcoinConsultan doesn't have nearly as much info as the btcalpha user page
mike_c: like registered since, fingerprint, etc.
mike_c: just has trust ratings
mike_c: but i could at least put that blob on the 'not found' page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67596 @ 0.00075703 = 51.1722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140250 @ 0.00075479 = 105.8593 BTC [-] {5}
kakobrekla: mike_c maybe not a bad idea
kakobrekla: no rush tho
assbot: BusyBeaverHP comments on Discussion on forum stating that XT is a failure. Thoughts? ... ( http://bit.ly/1V87Arh )
shinohai: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: lol scamcoin of the day is not dead at all!
mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0007519 = 6.9551 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282711 << 'that is not dead which can eternal lie...' (tm)
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 19:30:09; mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy.
ascii_field: and with strange eons, even sense may die
mircea_popescu: sounds like a business!
mircea_popescu: you know who else meets this description ? "team garza". https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.0
assbot: New Lending Platform BitLend.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kyh5oz )
mircea_popescu: !up ubbersith
BingoBoingo: lol, that shorting charade https://imgur.com/BS9v4Ow
assbot: circle pivots - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyhGXb )
shinohai: "team garza" I love it.
ascii_field: 'At DEC’s founding, the US Congress decided that the US government had bought too many computers, and decreed that no more would be bought until those machines already acquired were fully loaded. So DEC sold PDPs, not computers.'
trinque: that's pretty good
trinque: "No Mr Congressman, these are merely data processors which happen to be programmed."
trinque: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo further proof (if such were needed) that no usg/vc funded item is a bitcoin company.
mircea_popescu: they may try to scam bitcoiners, for money, yes. but bitcoin companies they can not be.
ascii_field: they ~are~ 'bitcoin companies' in the 'roach motel' sense
ascii_field: 'feel free to put it ~in~, just don't expect it to come out again'
ascii_field: 'spreading on bread - works!!111'
mircea_popescu: how is this a bitcoin company ?
ascii_field: how is 'roach motel' a motel ?
mircea_popescu: is the miniguillotine a masturbation tool ?
ascii_field: dulap!
ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roach_Motel_%28insect_trap%29 << the american traditional artifact in question
assbot: Roach Motel (insect trap) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuoXfT )
mircea_popescu: i thought you just meant "shitty hotel"
ascii_field: 'Black Flag also marketed a related insect trap, the "Flyport," designed to deal with unwanted flying insects like houseflies, with the tagline, "Lots of arrivals, but no departures!"' << l0l
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone buy this ?
mircea_popescu: seems like a terrible idea.
ascii_field: doesn't it ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, cockroach infestations only become perceptible to average human after dozens of lbs of cockroach matter are moving around.
ascii_field: i thought this was well-known.
mircea_popescu: i guess the problems in the ustard head are actually there. same sort of thinking that creates "war on drugs" creates this thing, too.
mircea_popescu: unsustainable and provably-won't-solve-the-problem but hey, it has a nice package!
ascii_field: my understanding is that the 'motel' notion was partly a misguided variation on the usual rodent trap, and partly a cynical scam (there could never be, clearly, anything like sufficient room in the trap, but it will superficially appear to 'work')
trinque: you're being sold "I did something"
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's these fluorescent + static things to murder flying bugs outside, at least those do something.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aaaactually it too is a scam!
ascii_field: i have one. it mainly blows up beetles but does nothing against the real pestilence, the mosquito.
mircea_popescu: well mosquitoes aren't light-navigators.
ascii_field: spectacular snaps, crackles, pops, very little actual use.
ascii_field: doesn't work even with the supposed lure
ascii_field: (they fly straight through the grid)
mircea_popescu: lol well get a thinner one eh.
ascii_field: ~100V/mm breakdown v of air at stp !
mircea_popescu: mosquito killer doesn't need that high voltage.
ascii_field: the ~right thing~ would be a grid that is normally at low voltage but boosts to max if capacitance changes (bug touched)
mircea_popescu: guy fucks 15 yo daughter of his gf. child results. is convicted, but suspended sentence.
mircea_popescu: guy moves on to 15yo's sister.
mircea_popescu: so he gets two years (plus two from the original, suspended sentence)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61150 @ 0.00075146 = 45.9518 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Australia's major banks pull plug on bitcoin companies| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXxNDk )
jurov: no remittances, no butts!
jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt.
jurov: wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week."
BingoBoingo: <jurov> wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week." << Hard to get the same level of repeat customers buying more every week
jurov: then again, birds do catch them, you may want to replenish
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282775 <<< we have bats that live in the barn across the road. They decimate the mosquito population nearby.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 20:52:35; jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt.
gernika: I live about half a mile from the Pacific Coast. Constant cool breeze seems to have eliminated them completely.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: dpaste: 0FH2STG ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRL55F )
BingoBoingo: Here we have trucks that go around farting fog that thin out, but do not eliminate mosquitoes
ascii_field: here, we just have mosquitoes.
gernika: and fireflies!
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: You are prolly to close to the lizards and hippies for the fog trucks
cazalla: seen felipelalli
cazalla: or is it ;;? lastseen? it's early, anyone?
cazalla: ;;seen felipelalli
gribble: felipelalli was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <felipelalli> They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow.
assbot: Australia's major banks pull plug on bitcoin companies| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXxNDk )
punkman: oops
ascii_field: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
assbot: What a dick: The porniest grave in Paris’s Père Lachaise cemetery|Dangerous Minds ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRM6e1 )
cazalla: punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new << This, someone had a slow news day and wanted to make a fuss
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
PeterL: Hi Bingoboingo
BingoBoingo: Hi PeterL, How's the lab?
PeterL: It's okay
PeterL: Nothing very interesting, just testing lots of Pepto-knockoff recently
PeterL: stuff smells good
PeterL: You follow college fooball?
phf: op_checksig is horrendous
PeterL: A while back mircea_popescu was amazed no US cell phones have free incoming: my cell phone is unlimited calling, therefore free incoming (MetroPCS)
phf: the whole 10 step program of "take some bits and do some stuff with" them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62050 @ 0.00075674 = 46.9557 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Been following it a Bit. I'm worried because Mizzou won its non-Conference schedule and Georgia beat SOuth Carolina. We might not take the SEC East this yeat.
PeterL: They will if they keep winning
BingoBoingo: They won't keep winning if they play like they did barely beating Arkansas State and U Conn
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
PeterL: My Spartans got ranked #2, and the #1 OSU is looking pretty shaky, I don't think they will last long enough for us to knock them off their pedestal
BingoBoingo: Yeah, OSU could go down to MSU
PeterL: I wish more teams played good competition in their non-confrence schedules
PeterL: I don't think a win over a FCS school should count on the record (but a loss should count as 2)
BingoBoingo: I don't think Mizzou can and survive their non-divisional conference games without sever embarassment. Our big problem is Mauk lost the only recievers who can catch his passes and our elite running back sprained his ankle against Southeast Missouri...
PeterL: makes it hard to win if you can't move the ball
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Last year was had some very grabby recievers, but still won games on the ground.
BingoBoingo: Which is kinda part of why Alabama killed us in the SEC championship. Hard to run against a fast 300-350 lb line
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-09-2015#1271995 << Heaviside sounds alot like the character Sheldon on "The Big Bang Theory"
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:23:51; mircea_popescu: "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not
PeterL: grabby receivers as in they catch all sorts of things?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00075897 = 9.5516 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Islamic State using bitcoin to fulfil state-crafting ambitions - EconoTimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wh5UZD )
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Yeah, they caught all kinds of things that had no business at all being caught.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: But at least for next year we've already signed a 3-star tight end and our next great white hope at quarterback is getting some game time this year as a true freshman
PeterL: Why are so many quarterbacks white? And are there any good white running backs?
BingoBoingo: Mauk will still have a year of eligibility next year, but he should convert nicely to backup QB and rare white running back
BingoBoingo: High school peterl
BingoBoingo: High school and Texas
PeterL: Don't they have black kids in texas?
PeterL: I think my HS football team had 4 black kids, and one of them was the running back.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: They have black kids in texas, but they slot them into running back
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282830 << until they carve public key on camera into the back of a prisoner or ten, how exactly could would-be donors know that they are sending to isis and not to usg ?
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 21:48:18; cazalla: BingoBoingo, this shit is doing the rounds again too http://www.econotimes.com/Islamic-State-using-bitcoin-to-fulfil-state-crafting-ambitions-92261
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: No idea really
mircea_popescu: jurov dragonflies only trhive in particular desert climate.
jurov: i live in desert?
jurov: pediwikia says they live anywhere except (sub)arctic
ascii_field: when they lay out a quality rsa8192 in the desert using beheaded infidels, fresh and still spurting, then.
ascii_field: (what is the minimum number of corpses required ?)
mircea_popescu: jurov from what i've seen, it's a certain river + sandy dune thing they like.
mircea_popescu: gotta have scorching sun + water source
PeterL: ISIS could clearsign a statement with their donation address? Have they published any public keys to compare against?
trinque: mircea_popescu: sounds quite like houston, haha
ascii_field: PeterL: not afaik
mircea_popescu: who do you know in isis PeterL ?
ascii_field: PeterL: and even if they had, there is nothing to associate the keys with the genuine article
PeterL: well, nobody, but I havn't been looking hard
ascii_field: usg laughs when morons 'donate to isis'
PeterL: didn't somebody here say that isis is just a usg puppet anyway?
ascii_field: muppet
mircea_popescu: so if you know nobody what are you going to verify it against.
ascii_field: important difference.
PeterL: convinient boogyman?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field has these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history.
mircea_popescu: thus things can be x and non x and back again.
ascii_field: how's that
mircea_popescu: isis wiped the us army
mircea_popescu: "except not really"
mircea_popescu: "us army wanted to be wiped anyway"
ascii_field: 'muppet' is to be understood as a kind of quasi-autonomous golem.
mircea_popescu: "it was all planned" etc.
mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history."
ascii_field: a certain amount of 'u.s. army gets wiped' is always planned. at least on account of it never going 'all in'
mircea_popescu: we don't agree on what planned means.
ascii_field: last i heard, usg was not levelling syria with tactical nukes
mircea_popescu: last i heard germany is not levelling new york with tactical nukes either.
mircea_popescu: 'oh but germany couldn't, oinly us could" "how come ?" "it's part of my scenography for this bit of fan fiction"
mircea_popescu: "aok then."
ascii_field: germany is not sending squads of mercenaries to get own arses fed to them in new york
mircea_popescu: and you know thios because none were caught ?
ascii_field: for all i know, new york isn't even there any longer. been a while since i visited.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282871 << the basic textbook example is mujahedeen in afghan.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 22:01:46; mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history."
mircea_popescu: the missing part of this "textbook" is how come there's no equivalent in say artic circle.
ascii_field: i'd be surprised if usg had never tried to roust up rebellion among the chukchas
ascii_field: but evidently it came to nothing.
mircea_popescu: so then all this talk is really so much cockpulling.
mircea_popescu: "oh our marketing made people do so and so".
mircea_popescu: "really ? make them sit on a pineapple."
mircea_popescu: "no, you can only make them do things they were gonna do anyway"
ascii_field: inclined to do.
mircea_popescu: "oh. useful! i hope you went to college for this."
ascii_field: and it isn't 'make do', but 'supply arms'
ascii_field: plenty of people 'would like'.
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. and if i go buy a twelve year old hooker in the DC, it's also the usg that supplied her right ?
mircea_popescu: "The [Washington] Post lied to its readers by printing stories it knew were false," mmmkay.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i might be thick, but i entirely cannot see how the hooker connects.
mircea_popescu: you have no better reason to pretend "x has arms because y" than to pretend "x has 12yo hooker because y". the choice of which of these to emphasize is the liberty of the scriptwriter in works of fiction.
mircea_popescu: because that's the thing with fiction : it's nonsensical, which means you absolutely need a carefully curated set of sentences be considered
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: so where did the arms, food, etc. come from ? fell from mars ?
mircea_popescu: (aka suspension of disbelief)
mircea_popescu: no, they bought some and stole the rest.
mircea_popescu: where do things normally come from ?
ascii_field: from crates dropped to aid 'syrian rebels' daily, for a year ?
mircea_popescu: THEY STOLE THEM.
mircea_popescu: your gambit is to administratively suspend isis' agency, because you're too enamoured with the usg and that requires you (also administratively) assign all agency to it.
ascii_field: stole how? crate had address 'to rebels, but not THESE rebels' ??
mircea_popescu: they came upon an item and took it.
mircea_popescu: what do you think theft is ?
mircea_popescu: (hint : you can't donate to a mouse. it steals all it ever gets.)
ascii_field: i suppose next mircea_popescu will reveal that usg dropped stingers 'for mujahedeen' but not for taliban.
ascii_field: (technically true!)
mircea_popescu: nobody cares what the usg "did"
mircea_popescu: it does not have the capacity for agency, there.
mircea_popescu: so it did exactrly nothing. the men i nthat relationship are non-us
mircea_popescu: the us can't even consent.
ascii_field: let's rephrase without the agency.
mircea_popescu: curious how that'd go.
ascii_field: it has pieces of itself, that come loose, like the zombies in 'quake'
ascii_field: the pieces are edible.
mircea_popescu: "usg spent some items to addresses it didn't have the key for. isis cracked the keys."
ascii_field: has resources that get dropped in various places.
mircea_popescu: so far sounds a lot like an apple tree.
mircea_popescu: so i guess the real story here is, mujahedeen cultivated usg to provide them with apples.
ascii_field: rather like nigerian petro thieves 'cultivate' the pipe they drill little holes into.
mircea_popescu: or like greeks curate eu banks.
mircea_popescu: do they ? don't they ?
mircea_popescu: political choices are in the end nude exercises in narrative fiction.
ascii_field: except that buried in all of these are actual questions of fact that have - somewhere - answers. such as 'does this army fully support itself on plunder, or needs external supply, and if so, from where'
mircea_popescu: that is not an answer which can be made into a question.
mircea_popescu: ("our tanks photosynthesize now!!11 SUPPORTS ITSELF!!1")
mircea_popescu: the very definition of army includes two points : a) that it does not support itself (if it did it'd be a stampede) ; b) that it makes up the difference through plunder.
mircea_popescu: this is what an army is.
mircea_popescu: the definition of inputs into the army camp is "plunder".
ascii_field: but isis is being advertised as a conquering thing in the ancient sense. with territory held, administered, taxed
mircea_popescu: advertised by whom where.
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see the only salient points re isis are that a) has own agency ; b) percepibly unalligned to usg.
ascii_field: by - supposedly - itself. but this is where we go back to 'i don't have a public key for it, so what, if anything, is to be taken as 'it said' is a ???.'
mircea_popescu: we don't disagree there.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, the angry jealous poor club should take solace in the knowledge that i've shed more dollar value this calendar year than they will ever manage to see.
BingoBoingo: The Bitcointalk crowd is hopelessly lost
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy outcome, the stupid got left behind and then decided to give away their remaining asset and split up!
mircea_popescu: so now there's going to be three-four meaningless forums + reddits + whatever else.
mircea_popescu: fragmentation of the masses! for gleat gloly & justic!!1
BingoBoingo: Of course. And each new one is less relevant than the old one. The old ones less relavant. More people hate Thermos than ever and they aren't even talking about his GLBSE shennanigans
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BingoBoingo: Also, apparently scholarships for smarts are racis, or poor exclusionary or sometit https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/27/merit
assbot: The Impact of Merit Scholarships | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5QU7 )
BingoBoingo: "The yield for those who received the $7,000 annual scholarships was 7.1 percent – a statistically significant difference" ... lol "At the same time, the study suggests that the impact of this kind of merit aid may not be large -- the yield rate was low even for those receiving it."
mircea_popescu: well they don't know about his glbse shenanigans
mircea_popescu: and the people who know they don't read because omfg, that'd be giving in.
mircea_popescu: and so... :D
BingoBoingo: I thought it was more like 8:::::::D
mircea_popescu: merit scholarships work in merit based societies.
mircea_popescu: in the us, i am deeply unsurprised it would do nothing.
mircea_popescu: same as in africa.
mircea_popescu: "Critics have said that merit scholarships may help institutions, but don’t truly help students (most recipients of merit scholarships have many options) or broad social needs in higher education (the merit awards divert attention and funds from the needs of low-income students)."
BingoBoingo: They even work almost in USia. Just rare to find people who get them, because so many people got to the MIT-Harvard free if you aren't a Soros lottery
mircea_popescu: o because needs matter amirite.
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mircea_popescu: marxism went from an overgrown cult/self help weirdo club to this sort of implicit agreed upon mantra.
BingoBoingo: It really did
BingoBoingo: I'm not even sure if this is actually Marxism any more
mircea_popescu: "there is relatively little research on the true impact of merit scholarships. "
BingoBoingo: Might as well be Hegel
mircea_popescu: you know, like there's relatively little research on the true benefits of hanging us academitards above a smoldering pit of hot peppers.
mircea_popescu: i know i've not seen nearly enough of it yet to suit my tastes.
BingoBoingo: Well, Maybe in 2020?
mircea_popescu: pepperoni!
BingoBoingo: lol, actuall hamplanet pepperoni
BingoBoingo: Just with actual pigs getting to 6-7 ft in length are hamplanets still really the long pig anymore?
BingoBoingo: The ones that have gone feral in arkansas have been spotted and shot at 8-9 ft long...
BingoBoingo: We may now be the short pork
lobbes can't help but imagine feral hamplanets running around arkansas
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Feral hamplanets don't run around. They stay indoors, in bed, and get "home health" nurses too keep them... cleaner...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20475 @ 0.0007609 = 15.5794 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's kinda the thing with the earlier "oh, they'll get out of the pen, fat is compressible"
mircea_popescu: no, they won't. they'll sit there and cry.
BingoBoingo: It's compressible to a point, but the bigger point is most of them won't make it to the edge of the pen
BingoBoingo: And the gateposts can always be made taller
mircea_popescu: what gate ?
mircea_popescu: no gate.
BingoBoingo: the gate is the 1 ft space
BingoBoingo: Round these parts we use gate to refer to ungated fence openings too
BingoBoingo: Also, Ver can't to valid SSL cert https://archive.is/OLvvk
BingoBoingo: Also, Lafond had a solution to the 'Murican Professetorial socialist problem too http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2931
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shinohai: https://redd.it/3lv366 "If you truly believe that devices need to be loaded with Bitcoin, why wouldn't you just print out a QR, tape it to your Raspberry pi, and fund it with $700 in Bitcoin?"
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BingoBoingo actually would like a cue cat, not so much usg Po-Po plug
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shinohai hereby dubs the 21 by BingoBoingo 's name .. PoPo plug
BingoBoingo: gotta keep the hyphen
shinohai: I was too lazy to alt to the hyphen, using my ancient droid to irc.
BingoBoingo: The Po-Po plug is a distant relative of the traditional urban American dance the 5-0 fondle
gernika: 1 month + later I make it past 367850. anyway. moving forward.
shinohai: gratz gernika
gernika: thanks shinohai
shinohai: I'm at 320740 and climbing, slow but sue.
shinohai: *sure
mircea_popescu: actually 365 to 370k some of the messiest blocks in all of the chain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00075463 = 52.6732 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: waiting on realbitcoin to sync at least gave me time to make a sweet tmux config for it.
shinohai: amongst other things.
BingoBoingo: 365 to 370 has been the slowest part of my craptop sync so far
gernika: Would like to get my machine in a DC - but the cheapest hosting rate for a 1U I can find around here is $200.00/mo. Which is 4x more than I last paid for the same service.
shinohai: That's what I'm using, a cruddy old laptop. Glad it was in the library locked up really well.
BingoBoingo: I've seen 1U hosting as low as $45-50
shinohai: I might host a node down the road a bit, my experience trying this with Atlantic was less-than-stellar and set me back some.
BingoBoingo: who is atlantic?
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BingoBoingo: fuck them
shinohai: Got billed $250 for bandwidth overages
shinohai: I still have an account, just not gonna try and run bitcoind there, especially when they don't have a clue what it is.
shinohai: Accused me of "mining" from the get-go, shut me down, I bitched and got it back up only to be charged that insane fee.
BingoBoingo: Well, merely running a node is a cpu hog
shinohai: CS told me when I paid for initial service it wouldn't be a problem. I tried to explain it in the clearest way possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43561 @ 0.0007598 = 33.0976 BTC [+]
shinohai: I further explained the sheer idiocy of using a cloud instance to mine with, I wasn't some redditard from r/beermoney trying to collect dust.
shinohai: Oh well, live and learn.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282971 << omg1111111111 i can't afford 'boeing' !! where is my NEED-BASED AID !??!!
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 23:00:31; BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/16/hamilton
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seriously of you can't affor quality student, just buy more poor students
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 23:09:41; mircea_popescu: no, they won't. they'll sit there and cry.
shinohai: https://twitter.com/TechCrunch/status/646464253520662528 <<< looking like that, I'll bet she could disrupt damn near anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's tyhe logic where!
mircea_popescu: i bet the "controversial" ceo now uses his vast wealth to fucking hang the entire troop of assholes, including the da involved.
mircea_popescu: o wait. different film.
cazalla: shinohai, tranny?
phf: no an american woman
BingoBoingo in other news is finally trolling craigslit looking for an affordable heavy bag + stand combo
cazalla: stands are shit BingoBoingo put a pole and bracket up in ya backyard and hang off that
BingoBoingo: This is going in a basement space where a prior retard fucking drywalled the basement ceiling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61250 @ 0.00076138 = 46.6345 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: cazalla: could be, does have that Catlyn Jenner look going on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45766 @ 0.00075296 = 34.46 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00074798 = 40.9519 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20170 @ 0.00076163 = 15.3621 BTC [+] {3}
danielpbarron: https://archive.is/SQvAX << doesn't this just sum up all of progressivism? "I have an excuse as to why I can't do X, but I'm sure someone else has it covered anyway."
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BingoBoingo working on making sure someone else won't when it comes to kicking Bingo's ass
BingoBoingo after last outing with steel pole in the back yard picked up a pair of sweet gel bag gloves today. The steel pole felt like butterfly kisses wearing them.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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assbot: Logged on 23-09-2015 00:20:26; mircea_popescu: i bet the "controversial" ceo now uses his vast wealth to fucking hang the entire troop of assholes, including the da involved.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282482 << daily, as a tea timer, albeit the worst tea timer there ever was (doesn't work X% of the time due to requiring internet connection)
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:34:46; mircea_popescu: does anyone even use that thing ?
asciilifeform: also usg giveth, usg taketh away. a 'pharma ceo' has so much as one cent purely by the good graces of hitler - who helpfully keeps penny-a-pill indian generics mostly out of u.s. market
asciilifeform: why this particular schmuck was chosen as the whipping boy of the day, i do not know. but tlp's dictum 'if you're reading it, it's for you' comes to mind.
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 232.300052767
asciilifeform: but in the purely physical sense, a $10 (not even speaking of $1000) pill of ANY CONTENTS WHATSOEVER makes precisely as much sense as a $1M software package.
asciilifeform: i.e. something which can only exist at usg gunpoint.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SInce it is old news but super trending I'll have a piece on the particulars of this FDA sanctioned pharma racket in the next day or so
BingoBoingo: But the short story for #b-a regs is this a a corn problem. If you can you must, and the FDA says you must,
asciilifeform: consider, where other than pharma does cost have no impact whatsoever on demand ?
asciilifeform: my current understanding re: the firm from the link is that it specialized in ultra-low-demand items for which there is unlikely to be competition from foreign generics. clever.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'must' my arse. fda as it exists today is a creature of the pharma cartels.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: COnsider though that this particular pharma slug is taking the other pharma slugs demanda upon the FDA to their logical extreme
asciilifeform failed to parse this sentence
BingoBoingo: He realizes that he has an easy button to get ALL of the dolalrs
BingoBoingo: So why not get all of the Do-lolars?
asciilifeform: the 'easy button' normally leads to 'have problems'
BingoBoingo: Only scandal is he is a young buck taking the old stags to task
BingoBoingo: And yes the is "having problems"
BingoBoingo: But it is also the ONLY thing one can do
BingoBoingo: Imagine if someone bough a symbolics machine or Unix 7 and asserted re-Patent rights?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why imagine? it happened !
asciilifeform: ;;google darl mcbride
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BingoBoingo: And in pharma when it happens they have steroids
BingoBoingo: Darl McBride's sphicter was chronically relaxed, prolly too much botox.
asciilifeform: the 'quotes' esp. lulzy.
BingoBoingo: Pharma has had a few more "soft power" understandings. Like if the Jews in Israel at Teva can break even on a generic it isn'r really abandoned and such.
BingoBoingo: The differnce between Darl and this pharma lol-cow is all this one does is use the rules exactly as intended without ambiguity
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~this~ particular l0lcow wouldn't even be a lolcow if he hadn't insisted on trolling all of usa with cameras rolling
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure. Darl was a lolcow because he forced his position on ambiguity. This one though lolcows by hitting everything and only those things he is explicitly allowed to.
BingoBoingo recomends if one gets malaria one ought to do so outside the US at the moment
asciilifeform: this is the most galling thing, to civilians. recall mircea_popescu's 'pound of flesh' article.
BingoBoingo: Sure, it galls at first them you heal... and the scar galls
asciilifeform: the one thing you can be sure of it that at the end of the day the 'answer' will be something like 'pillz cost too much, need moar obamacare'
BingoBoingo: Or Obamacare breaks... pretty sure the goal here was breaking Obolacare
asciilifeform: rather than 'nuke intellectualpropertyism, dekulakize and publicly behead everyone who profited from its imposition'
BingoBoingo: But this is not the first dirt cheap drug to turn uranium plated by any stretch
asciilifeform: it's a piece of orchestrated hysteria to draw fire away from the serious operators.
BingoBoingo: Uric acid, still expensive after being under a dollar per arbitrary time span supply
asciilifeform: know what the crowning glory here is? no drug whatsoever in an ~actual free market~ could ever cost $100/pill. it costs less than this to pay ukraininan chemists to make $arbitrarycompound.
asciilifeform: i watched it happen, on usg tax dollar no less.
asciilifeform: with no bureaucratic obstacles in the way (Officially not intended to be fed to human) - can get ANYTHING made for $20K or so, in Kg+ qty.
asciilifeform: so the 'disease is rare, 1mg pill costs $100' thing is a crock of shit.
asciilifeform: being able to charge $100/mg for an organic sludge is a crown concession.
BingoBoingo: Of course
asciilifeform: based wholly on the presence of armed thugs enforcing 'intellectual property'
BingoBoingo: Anything necessarily more expensive must be injected because monoclonal or delicate living origins
asciilifeform: the $100/mg thing was grudgingly accepted by many thinking people on account of 'must fund RESEARCH!111!!111'
asciilifeform: but the 'research' is not happening.
asciilifeform: hasn't been, for a decade or more.
asciilifeform: and this is more or less universally known at this point.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, i specifically said 'pill'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hence the caveat
BingoBoingo: But even now those things are going from treatments for the rare and debilitating to treatments for the common and hammy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at some point, the 'intellectual property RIGHTS!!!!11!!!1!1' idiots will get what they have been so loudly begging for: underground pharma labz in every town.
asciilifeform: retool from meth.
asciilifeform: of course, i won't know when this has happened, you'll have to ask somebody who lives on the 'tide usd' planet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Consider bupropion, the one USG blessed mood regulating dopamine reuptake inhibitor. Simple chlorinated amphetamine on the ring. I wonder more who can't make it than who can
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22533 @ 0.00076219 = 17.1744 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron watch the guy being like 112 lbs and really awkward too
mircea_popescu: !up psztorc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> why this particular schmuck was chosen as the whipping boy of the day << was in the news recently, '87 born catamite of "tiger fund" gonzo increased price of some shitty expired patent medicine nobody else was manufacturing because us is as springy as a dead halibut.
BingoBoingo: Actuall rather commonly used medicine. Part of 'Malarone' the premier anti-malarial cocktail.
BingoBoingo: But now the solo drug costs more than the combo.
BingoBoingo: Never mind the cheaper combo is more effective against what either treats and gets literally all the save-Africa subsidies
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but the 'research' is not happening. << this is a point.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> But even now those things are going from treatments for the rare and debilitating to treatments for the common and hammy << exactl;y, and these two go together. we're now at the point where "important" vaccines for purely imaginary conditions are being pushed out. srsly, some people get nonspecific pain from what may be a viral infection ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00076182 = 12.4177 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, now most of the new "biologics" released in the US are for various forms of "autoimmune" arthritis but not really.
BingoBoingo: They work more on repetative load injuries.
mircea_popescu: one of the most lucrative and so often targetted by pharma spaces is where doctors go "dunno, let's try this. and that. and then see."
mircea_popescu: that's 100% of psycho, and most of nonspeciffic pain (which only exists because gps wanted a loophole to prescripe medocal social security to healthy men) and then "old age/shit habits" diseases. like some arthitis types (aka gout)./
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mircea_popescu: annnnnd it takes 1st place.
BingoBoingo: But seriously the big malingering complaint is now labeled "fibromyalgia" and there is actually a therapy that keeps these hams sated. Stong compounded mixes of tricyclic antidepressants and NSAIDS.
BingoBoingo: Then the knees fail mechanically due to the load they bear.
mircea_popescu: that's just the world being unfair.
BingoBoingo: Gravity has been and always will be the ultimate shitlord
mircea_popescu: totally unselfware without a hint of irony
mircea_popescu: and ignorant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00076265 = 27.913 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, poloniex lost its 50% eth trading marketshare. now #3, #1 being something "gatecoin"
BingoBoingo: Seems the Bitbet even slowed a bit after the bet.
BingoBoingo: Some folk must really want to fuck mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: slowed ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, haven't seen any deca BTC bets since the qntra
BingoBoingo: Oh, I guess that was oe
BingoBoingo in draft mode
mircea_popescu: originally it looked like the aim is to go for 5:1
mircea_popescu: kinda been degrading tho, curious if there's the required 1-200 btc left in the eth cheerleader camp to get it back on target.
mircea_popescu: lkol wait. 21 thing won't accept btc for its "product" ?
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
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mircea_popescu: "certain elements" are "attacking" the re-ripple thing by pointing out that it's stupid and pointless. TO THE BARRICADES!1
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: !up psztorc You know you dun got voice nao
psztorc: Salutations
BingoBoingo: Welcome
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mircea_popescu: recommended reading for asciilifeform just because i know he's a livresque masochist.
BingoBoingo: psztorc: Appologies for not replying to your email with wisdom, but my momma told me not to talk to strangers
mircea_popescu: hi psztorc . who're you ?
psztorc: I suppose I'm a "certain hostile element with bitcoin community".
mircea_popescu: o you are ? which one ?
psztorc: The second one in the Eth link you just posted
mircea_popescu: ie Paul Sztorc ?
mircea_popescu: might be an idea to get your key reg'd with gribble.
psztorc: That's me.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's got some sidechain betting thing, but more than that dun liek huffing ether
mircea_popescu: and by gribble i mean assbot.
mircea_popescu: "Truthcoin is my ambitious project to create a trustless P2P prediction-marketplace. This is possible because, unlike most marketplaces, the end product of a prediction market (PM) is information. "
mircea_popescu: oh another one of those.
psztorc: The last one.
mircea_popescu: you understand the fundamental problem with trying to create a "decentralized market" do you ?
psztorc: I hope so.
mircea_popescu: jesus reddit is retarded. omg not even wrong where to even start /me abandons the entire thread.
mircea_popescu: psztorc do tell ?
psztorc: The fundamental problem is tying the market to reality, without invoking a trusted 3rd party.
mircea_popescu: well no. the fundamental problem is that the function of a market is to centralize trade. decentralized market is like cool boiler.
psztorc: Can't a decentralized market centralize trade?
psztorc: One is a process, the other an outcome.
mircea_popescu: this argument is not even apparent if people were spherical cows in a vacuum. but as people are, it's impossible to obtain an outcome by opposite process.
mircea_popescu: dja know of any example from nature where something like that happens ?
mircea_popescu: vex you gotta stop with the nick spam.
psztorc: Would you say that Bitcoin centralizes all transactions in one blockchain database?
mircea_popescu: depends where you're taking it. this could perhaps be said.
psztorc: When I say "decentralized", I mean it the same way Satoshi meant it: headless and immortal. The individual traders still all "meet" in one "place".
mircea_popescu: but bitcoin is in no sense a market.
psztorc: In the project I designed.
mircea_popescu: there is no meeting whatsoever involved.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is why it actually is trustless. but also why it's irreversible.
psztorc: When I say meet, I mean same database.
mircea_popescu: but the "meet" in "market" has a different intension from "meet" as in "sql join".
mircea_popescu: in this sense, "the earth centralizes the imago-es of all astral bodies, as their light projection". nevertheless, the earth is not a black hole.
BingoBoingo: How a trusted third party could possibly be agreed upon though is among the most centralizing mechanisms possibru
mircea_popescu: to take a step out of the purest theory closer t oactual practice.
psztorc: You may be right about whatever you are talking about, but in Truthcoin the operations performed are almost exactly the same as existing Bitcoin transactions.
mircea_popescu: then why bother ?
psztorc: To enable people to use Bitcoin in markets, and bet on real world things.
psztorc: Why use BitBet?
mircea_popescu: but in the original terms. "in Truthcoin the operations performed are almost exactly the same as existing Bitcoin transactions".
mircea_popescu: well bitbet is plainly a central market for clearing risk.
psztorc: What "is" is a different question than what "is for".
mircea_popescu: ok. it's for clearing risk in a centrally-controlled environment.
mircea_popescu: (clearing, obviously, is a term of art, in finance. it's the process whereby definite items are recognized by others. very similar to the function of a torens title registrar, or the births book, or the military despatches.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00076274 = 15.5599 BTC [+]
psztorc: Are we still on "why bother"?
mircea_popescu: if you're satisfied with "why use bitbet"
psztorc: If you like to read, #1 of the lower 5 is about why I chose to create Truthcoin: http://www.truthcoin.info/papers/
assbot: Papers | Truthcoin: Making Cheap Talk Expensive ... ( http://bit.ly/1PqP1YA )
mircea_popescu goes in on the hope this won't be pdf.
gernika: Is it impossible to implement a public forum on a decentralized architecture, such as a dht?
mircea_popescu: heh. got a plaintext version psztorc ?
BingoBoingo too drunk for this
psztorc: Don't you ever miss all of the lovely pdf formatting?
mircea_popescu: gernika a) would you agree that the superset of this inquiry is the bbs and b) would you say it meets definitions of either "forum" or "decentralized" as you use them ?
mircea_popescu: psztorc haven't yet, no.
BingoBoingo: psztorc: No one really misses anything about pdf when they quit
psztorc: Well, I can pastebin it for you.
assbot: truthcoin-1 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PqPBp7 )
mircea_popescu: "What if you had access to the combined intellectual powers of all mankind? It would be easier for you to make decisions." << you know, not only this does not follow, but the contrary is actually recorded as anecdotal observation by pretty much all sources. like say russell.
gernika: mircea_popescu: I can see a bbs as a public forum, yes. The decentralization is not as clear to me, at least not in the way I used them. I only ever dialed into one.
gernika: and it had all the porn I needed.
mircea_popescu: but you will notice you downloading porn and the functioning of a market are unrelated.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the question here isn't whether you could stuff the heart of an ox, the guts of a pig and the lungs of a horse inside the skin of a skinned goose.
mircea_popescu: the question is whether the animal so obtained will quack.
mircea_popescu: !up psztorc
gernika: The problem I see is that there's no profit motive for the market owner, because there's no owner, so no one will drive the thing to work. Which I hope relates to your last point.
mircea_popescu: ""Whereas a stock market is a place to buy and sell shares of a corporation’s earnings, a Prediction Market (PM) is a place to buy and sell predictions. Valid predictions entitle their owner to $11"" << this, foir the record, is horrible writing. do not mix things so far apart the abstraction scale, it confuses idiots and it gives smart people the impression your abstractor really has very little breadth.
mircea_popescu: gernika it's a start, i'd say.
psztorc: That was actually a footnote. It was $1 in the pdf
mircea_popescu: why would it be a magic number and why would the number reference an undefined concept.
mircea_popescu: suppose i read this in 3030, at which point no fucking body knows what $ is, and we decide it stands for "trustcoin"
psztorc: I'm specifically choosing not to target the 3030 audience.
mircea_popescu: "The current market price of these tradable predictions can then be interpreted as the likelihood of the prediction coming true." << because, why ?
BingoBoingo: The paper honestly reads to me as BitBet ad copy
psztorc: Those statements are not original research...they're lifted from several mainstream scholars, econ textbooks, wikipedia "prediction markets" article.
BingoBoingo: Just with BitBet it is hard to lose to butthurt retards
mircea_popescu: lifted, no footnote ?
mircea_popescu: you're perhaps unfamiliar with the saying "traduttore, traditore".
mircea_popescu: careful what and whom you steal from, lest you get poisoned.
psztorc: Haha
psztorc: These are very basic concepts, not exactly plagiarism.
mircea_popescu: they are very basic INTELLECTUAL FASHIONS.
mircea_popescu: "When anyone can trade, no source of information is overlooked, and market forces balance
mircea_popescu: info-sources in a way that is consistently and unanimously acceptable." << like that.
psztorc: I assume you don't agree?
mircea_popescu: none of this stands to actual scrutiny, but hey, peopel got enamoured with whatever that irish thing was called, and it got to die a hero's death so we'll hear about it like we wouldn't have heard if it just died naturally.
mircea_popescu: i do not agree.
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