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asciilifeform: trinque: easy one
asciilifeform: trinque: the mind that invents death ray and spins round, round, round with it, 'for piglet!'
asciilifeform: ( canonical: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176872 )
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 21:47:45; assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
asciilifeform: trinque: the thing about fefeleaga in my mind is that the stock off-the-shelf model of existence is a guaranteed suckfest.
asciilifeform: see mr.o, 'The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. After the age of about thirty they almost abandon the sense of being individuals at all — and live chiefly for others, or are simply smothered under drudgery. But there is also the minority of gifted, willful people who are determined to live their own lives to the end'
asciilifeform: and 'The impulse to cling to youth at all costs, to attempt to preserve your sexual attraction, to see even in middle age a future for yourself and not merely for your children, is a thing of recent growth and has only precariously established itself. It will probably disappear again when our standard of living drops and our birth-rate rises.'
asciilifeform: fefeleaga is sop
asciilifeform: it is the other items on the menu which are experimental, high-tech oddities, like particle accelerator.
asciilifeform: yes, just like it.
trinque: asciilifeform: first off, goddamn if I didn't just bellow laughter across the bar at "for piglet!"
trinque: and indeed, fefeleaga is the baseline
trinque: this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc
trinque: but then too, my end is just like hers
trinque: absent "purpose" or whatever, just pain and desolation
trinque: there is freedom in that, but I'm not ready to articulate it
trinque: that freedom is why the story made me smile, horrible though it is
cazalla: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/
assbot: 8chan-hosted content disappears from Google searches | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhiF3E )
trinque: admitting death, perhaps we are freer to do as we please in life
trinque: cazalla: damnatio googoliae
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7980 @ 0.00065692 = 5.2422 BTC [+] {3}
gernika: Saddest stories I read in school were Bridge to Terebithia, and Where the Red Fern Grows. Not comparable to Fefeleaga I don't think.
trinque: it's why I enjoy good metal
trinque: death is always there, staring at you
trinque: anticipating you
gernika: My Dad did enjoy telling me the story of the Donner Party. One of his favorites.
trinque: sure, you'd do it
trinque: no matter how high a man ascends, he is also that
trinque: starve him, and he will eat
trinque: back him into a corner, and he will kill
trinque: hence we are a species that inhabits every continent, and sometimes space beyond
trinque: and hopefully much more of the latter, in the future
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.0006469 = 19.9245 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10296 @ 0.00065468 = 6.7406 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00064249 = 8.9949 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11075 @ 0.00064125 = 7.1018 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that theory.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i'd eat person unless it tasted well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't say jew, it's bad!
mircea_popescu: <trinque> re: being loved and/or feared << it's actually a quote from that de niro film :D chaz palminteri says it :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted.
mircea_popescu: and yes it was a real character. the guy didn't write fiction. he just wrote well and so plenty of his ethnographic notations read more like blogposts.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> 8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/ << there's an iron curtain now falling on teh internets, <me inserts rest of clinton speech>. it's us and them.
mircea_popescu: it is ok to seek a twitter wrapper of x, just not x. because twitter gotta eat, and all that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.00063832 = 13.3249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00065734 = 13.3769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00065734 = 20.3118 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00065759 = 17.2289 BTC [+] {4}
shinohai: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150813-uncontacted-amazon-tribes-peru-brazil/
assbot: Some Isolated Tribes in the Amazon Are Initiating Contact ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbEMWN )
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/TWL7uf7.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22931 @ 0.00063286 = 14.5121 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: asciilifeform, ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect 195.211.54.59 throws error "couldn't connect to server", any ideas why?
cazalla: ah dw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8336 @ 0.00065829 = 5.4875 BTC [+]
shinohai: @ BingoBoingo lulzy log
punkman: watched the new mad max flick yesterday, not too bad
punkman: slightly annoying that you can't hear anyone talk over all the explosions, unless you turn the volume way up
punkman: then again, not a lot of talking
shinohai: I bought some headphones last week, I may waych it with those.
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: not much fucking either punkman
Vexual: also probably caused by all the explosions
punkman: I expected titties but all I got was the babes derping about not being property
Vexual: i also expected titties
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/z3butAL.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdvLiJ )
punkman: is that a cucumber?
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Yes that is, in fact, a cucumber with a condom stretched over it.
Vexual: cucumber aids kills
Vexual: halve it
Vexual: around 365 days to reward halving now
Vexual: give or take
punkman: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 27 22:10:36 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 49 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
Vexual: oh, that sounds closer
punkman: ;;bc,bull
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 292.523 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds
Vexual: how long till alf stops crying poor?
Vexual: not until he only has more bitcoin than 5.7 billion
Vexual: (other peoplew)
Vexual: more than 6 is not enough
punkman: s.nsa already has that
Vexual: has what?
Vexual: oh yes more than 6
Vexual: nevermind
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30837 @ 0.0006618 = 20.4079 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00066737 = 6.8739 BTC [+]
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/your-money/airbnb-horror-story-points-to-need-for-precautions.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdwG2E )
punkman: !up Vexual
punkman: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/349/6249/677.full
assbot: Modified yeast produce opiates from sugar ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdxaWz )
Vexual: thats better than staying with a murderous tranny from the internet
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/how-california-is-winning-the-drought.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HNx7ZV )
punkman: "Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece
shinohai: Vexual: Do you have a helpful photograph of what a murderous tranny looks like ?
Vexual: no
shinohai: bummer
Vexual: youll need to take other precuations
shinohai: There goes like half of backpage
Vexual: big subsidies for putting in polypipe here punk
punkman: water reserves running out?
Vexual: place is one big desert
Vexual: of course most of the farmers who can use it effectively camere from greece in the 70s
Vexual: sure, more polypipe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00067933 = 37.8387 BTC [+] {7}
punkman: up it goes
cazalla: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx
assbot: Microsoft can disable your pirated games and illegal hardware - PC & Tech Authority ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ldz4qq )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00066951 = 10.913 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6944 @ 0.00066951 = 4.6491 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48572 @ 0.00069499 = 33.7571 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74076 @ 0.00066515 = 49.2717 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10865 @ 0.00069764 = 7.5799 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Oh, yet another party copying MP http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150815113053&mode=expanded&count=1
assbot: The OpenBSD Foundation Announces New Silver Donor: Yandex ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYuRoQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64907 @ 0.00069047 = 44.8163 BTC [-]
shinohai: lol YANDEX
shinohai: teh Google of Rusha
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated
shinohai: I was rather shocked tbh. reddit has come out w/pitchferks
shinohai: http://redd.it/3gskm1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73486 @ 0.00067087 = 49.2996 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC
asciilifeform: gcd==519691042937; Andrew Orr <andrew@andreworr.ca>
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes where's the bot?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238523 << and 'unknown soldier' is what ?
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 05:54:33; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238525 << he might have been thinking of something else, not intelligence, possibly this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193609
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 05:58:54; mircea_popescu: <trinque> this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:35:21; ascii_field: interestingly, old norse, even, had a very specific word for this trait
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238536 << maybe because it's actually 195.211.154.159 ?
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 09:24:15; cazalla: asciilifeform, ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect 195.211.54.59 throws error "couldn't connect to server", any ideas why?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238532 << what i'd like to know is what became of the famous yanomamo tribe. last i heard, they traded a load of animal skins for a crate of shotguns, and that was the last anybody heard of'em..
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 09:10:39; shinohai: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150813-uncontacted-amazon-tribes-peru-brazil/
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238564 << when i get to shoot the alarm clock. and never buy a new one.
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 10:32:36; Vexual: how long till alf stops crying poor?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238595 << when boiling the proverbial frog, when it gets cooked enough you can just turn up the heat to whatever. srsly, they included a keylogger and admitted to it. why should they not also rape you in every other possible hole, and drill new ones as desired ?
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 11:13:56; cazalla: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/AsK2NvC.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeRcxO )
asciilifeform: https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2015/08/14/cryptography-and-quicksand << lulzies
assbot: Cryptography And Quicksand | Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYE28L )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78453 @ 0.00067087 = 52.6318 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: i just love these gloriously educated folks who carry on pretending we don't exist.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00067038 = 42.5691 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/area-51 << lulzy
assbot: Area 51 | Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYFckM )
asciilifeform: not a bad www though.
asciilifeform: it is so rare to meet with folks who aren't howlingly retarded.
mod6: <+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^ << ahhaha
shinohai: cucumber.io can thank me for the marketing tip later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00067299 = 9.1863 BTC [+]
mod6: heheh.
jurov: http://hiddenlolcdn.com/i/43526.gif :) nsfw
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITqkj8 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17390 @ 0.00067073 = 11.664 BTC [-]
mod6: So, if anyone wants to try out these automated cucumber tests on v0.5.4-TEST2 w/rotor ; I have some recipes that work on: ubuntu 10.04, deb6/7/8 and gentoo. Just send me a PM and I'll work with you on it.
mod6: Meanwhile, now I'm gonna see if I can figure out this new versioning email. The hard part is going to be having to verify everything posted, and re-writing all of our documentation.
mod6: asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512?
mod6: Sounds like from your email, that's pretty much the plan...
mod6: Just curious.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> https://i.imgur.com/TWL7uf7.png << the reason HE can't have "his own opinions" is simply that he's hounding her. just like used car, insurance and aluminum sides salesmen can't have their own opinions.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITs3VQ )
BingoBoingo: Oh, you though people who posted caps like that to reddit/voad/twatter would be anything other than derpy siding salesmen?
mircea_popescu: well in this case he's some dude, speaking enligsh on a gadget. so... yeah, he's the sort that begs for sex.
punkman: he only begs ironically
mircea_popescu: oh ok then
BingoBoingo: Of course
mircea_popescu: /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: anyway, the dudes that women hound are just as retarded. take me for instance : there's a shitton of opinions woman can't hold. recently met a very sweet girl, smart, decent figure. she's an argentine, so her only real chance to eat is to work for the government - there's really no productive activity going on here, much like it were say detroit. so she was some derpy "social worker" and aiming to either seniorize into
mircea_popescu: the civil corps or maybe run for office as she ages. like you know, hillary.
mircea_popescu: obviously that in that context, her choices are between depression and socialist ideas. so understandably, she had a lot of notions about "the people" and "the good".
mircea_popescu: notions which also happen to be intolerable. such is lyf.
mircea_popescu: she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can.
mircea_popescu: punkman> "Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece << word. i was rather impressed with what "intensive agriculture" meant down there.
mircea_popescu: damn, 67 huh ? meat today!
mod6: asciilifeform: ok cool! rel1.patch and rel2-pre.patch do apply cleanly to all of the existing patches
mod6: now, I need to just validate these hashes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and 'unknown soldier' is what ? << there is no doubt that at least one soldier somewhere existed, right ? this is not abstract but synthetic, like a statue to an apple. "which apple".
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238649 << detached sig, absolutely yes. posted as separate email each - absolutely fucking not
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 16:54:38; mod6: asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512?
mircea_popescu: so it's a rebase basically
asciilifeform: approximately.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.000665 = 9.4098 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: folks were demanding a thing which you can ask 'find me the longest chain signed by mod6' etc
asciilifeform: so that's what i'm writing.
mircea_popescu: nothin' wrong with that.
asciilifeform: the basic unit of life in 'v' (apparatus) is the vdiff (output of vdiff.sh)
asciilifeform: the latter is included in the latest ml post
mircea_popescu: V is particularly apt.
asciilifeform: and is also in the log somewhere.
mircea_popescu: name something evvie while at it >D
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238664 << wai wat, i thought mircea_popescu's hobby was to pick this wildlife up from the streets and reformat it
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 17:14:43; mircea_popescu: she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not at her age.
mircea_popescu: it works for 19yos, it is not worth the hassle with 29yos.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, one email is ok by me. just was curious what you had in mind.
asciilifeform: logical.
asciilifeform: mod6: what i have in mind is that this ends up being a box where you can drop in a sig (l1 !) and, optionally, one or more patches
asciilifeform: sig can be for existing patch in the list
asciilifeform: patch must be accompanied with sig
asciilifeform: (pairwise)
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
asciilifeform: then everyone who did what mod6 did and verified that the universe of patches in 'orchestra' is actually identical to the previously published set but for the antecedent hashes,
asciilifeform: can submit sigs for them
asciilifeform: (with the proviso that he has read, grasped, each)
asciilifeform: ideally someone who isn't me has also verified the antecedents
asciilifeform: which entails doing exactly, word for word, what i did to make 'orchestra'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the loltrons,
asciilifeform: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010235.html
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtlaUk )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure hanbot is doing exactly this
asciilifeform: and https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1
assbot: Why is Bitcoin forking? — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtloLn )
asciilifeform: ^ hearn unzips and begins
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1QNT15C.txt << vdiff.sh seems to do what I thought it did. so thats cool.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtlqTn )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no idea why retards seem to have all flocked to "medium.com" but hey.
asciilifeform: dun think i've seen it before
mircea_popescu: !s medium.com
assbot: 71 results for 'medium.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=medium.com
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: 'Congratulations Gavin and Mike on completing the patch to support larger block sizes. Although we all have ideological disagreements from time to time, two fundamental values of the Bitcoin community are freedom of choice and transparency of communication. Your work represents a big step in returning the power over Bitcoin's future back to the community where it belongs.' << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: at least 80% of those are patently retarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who is this ?
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking << some tard
assbot: Why is Bitcoin forking? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffvPjM )
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: what i have in mind is that this ends up being a box where you can drop in a sig (l1 !) and, optionally, one or more patches << yeah, this is good
mircea_popescu: so basically some tard wanted to pretend like he's important.
asciilifeform: finally mustered the balls to pull the trigger
mircea_popescu: why am i reading some tard's pretense, no matter how he thinks he's "hooked it" into the events.
asciilifeform: idk, asked 'who was this'
asciilifeform: answer 'some tard'
mircea_popescu: to quote some people - this is great for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/user/Peter__R << some tard that economizes on copy.
assbot: overview for Peter__R ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffvYni )
asciilifeform: filipino
mircea_popescu: anyway. nobody cares. in the most literal sense of that word.
mircea_popescu: they can go fight eth for doge supremacy or w/e it is retards do.
mircea_popescu: "oh this failed project is so exciting - look, it even overtook last quarter's failed project on the failed projects list!!11"
asciilifeform: meanwhile my nodez are running hotter than ever
shinohai: How many nodes u running?
asciilifeform: same as before
asciilifeform: 2 and 1/2
mircea_popescu: time to put up some more nodes huh ?
asciilifeform: there's another but i gotta travel to a somewhat distant place to plug the bugger in
asciilifeform: but what we really need is moar nodez on serious commercial boxes
mircea_popescu: ima bring a few up.
mod6: asciilifeform: here's what i've done so far with V, http://dpaste.com/2P6A59Y.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtnjiU )
mircea_popescu: incidentally, jurov and anyone else who might care : i will be wiping the archive of that hacker team thing. if you want copies of anything etc get it now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if not urgent, leave it up till monday night
asciilifeform: or not. i think i got what i needed
mircea_popescu: wasn't gonna do it right now.
mircea_popescu: but it's on teh list, it'll get done eventually, an' i know people have a habit to prevaricate.
asciilifeform: mod6: nice script and it will do until i'm done with the actual mechanism
mircea_popescu really likes the name V
mircea_popescu: a better name could not be had, for what this thing is and does.
asciilifeform likes short names for frequently used machines
mircea_popescu: "signatures offer the means to meaning, and for they who can listen, the enunciation of truth."
asciilifeform currently racking brain over how to make the thing verify in better than O(N^2)
mircea_popescu: why ?
asciilifeform: it gets annoying, fast
mircea_popescu: let me rephrase.
asciilifeform: because every single operation involves walking EVERY sig FOR EVERY patch
asciilifeform: because no other state.
mircea_popescu: why do you think this is possible and if you have any reason to think so why aren't you fixing bitcoin then
mircea_popescu: wait. for every patch in the line, right ?
asciilifeform: it is possible if one does something jurovish and requires, e.g., sigs to include what they are sigs for in the filename or the like
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno, for every patch and every sig ever made.
mircea_popescu: ah that's nonsense.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: this is a place we end up in because pgp is retarded
asciilifeform: and one can't get a meaningful hash out of a sig
asciilifeform: (file hash)
mircea_popescu: we sadly have been overtaken by events in this point. i'd have much preferred to start work on this after the decanter work for "new pgp" was done.
asciilifeform: same
jurov: or do the same as with diff - add hash of content into every clearsigned doc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178517
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:59:59; jurov: mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway
asciilifeform: jurov: NO
asciilifeform: jurov: no mutilations.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re <BingoBoingo> shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated <<< do not imagine that ms, yandex et all did not know same things i know. obviously trhey do, but they also had hoped they're somehow favoured sons. because "Terrorists will never do that, tr
mircea_popescu: ust me".
asciilifeform: because FUCKTARDED
mircea_popescu: bitcoin changes everything, of course, and outside the heaped plate of humilation lasagna it allowed me to forcefeed bob beck,
mircea_popescu: you can admire all the extra bezzle it forced microsoft & all to expend.
mircea_popescu: which, yes, it's a great thing for teh free world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hash in the doc is not a bad idea, eh ?
asciilifeform: of the doc!!?!??!!
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: with 'escaped dashes', the whole shit soup?
asciilifeform: how about a big fat No.
mircea_popescu: looky : when i signed a piece of paper i nulled out the empty spaces.
mircea_popescu: a checksum's not a bad idea, why do you think it is a bad idea ?
asciilifeform: because it doesn't belong in-band.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ hearn unzips and begins << So begins project Scott Tenorman
asciilifeform: because a file is unitary.
asciilifeform: because motherfucking unix philosophy.
mircea_popescu: so i can't include a hash of the document i nthe document.
asciilifeform: because what you end up with is two files who are somehow trying to sit in one chair
asciilifeform: now you can't sha512sum on the file, have to put it through a cutter
mircea_popescu: so by this theory, we should have one phone network for the network and another phone network for the control codes ?
asciilifeform: all modern phone networks actually do this.
asciilifeform: (not separate fiber, mind you, but may as well.)
mircea_popescu: can i include checksums in packets ?
mircea_popescu: or must have tcp packets and udp checksums separate ?
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: well ?
asciilifeform: unix utils work as depicted in, e.g., vdiff.sh, deadly-simple, BECAUSE file is a solid abstraction
asciilifeform: can treat as stream
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: if you want to break this, you get 100x the code and the gnomes.
asciilifeform: i ain't doing it.
mircea_popescu: either i've been very stupid for many years or you're just being nuts over here.
mircea_popescu: ima have to meditate on this.
asciilifeform: not without a much better reason than 'pgp breathes through its mouth'
jurov: asciilifeform: yo want to stream pgp signed stuff_
jurov: ?
jurov: i don't get it too
asciilifeform: jurov: i get to checksum a patch by patch | sha512sum or basta.
jurov: patch | tail -n +1 | sha512sum
asciilifeform: the pgp signature thing is fucktarded, can't believe for how long we've put up with it
asciilifeform: jurov: how about line endings
asciilifeform: now you have to CARE ABOUT THE INSIDES
asciilifeform: fuck that.
jurov: okay i give up.. what now?
asciilifeform: !up cryptonaut420
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well obviouisly nobody ever used pgp for any serious purpose.
asciilifeform: jurov: now i have to solve the problem. like i solved others before. but this one's gonna take some time, it isn't a nice clean shot in the head, but more of a slow isis beheading
asciilifeform: gonna take a while, this sawing
mircea_popescu: i think im going to translate an ancient romanian article, i can not begin to believe how fucking apt it is. i thoight it was purely a romanian thing.
asciilifeform looks forward to reading
mircea_popescu: but it is apparent, from the apoplectic reactions, and glaring when you look at the shards together, that the same jerking around is both behind the openbsd story and the pgp story.
asciilifeform: this one's a '3-pipe case', in the words of sherlock holms
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/#comment-115043 << see, now i can't see this in any other terms than, "ended up caring about insides"
assbot: Fefeleaga. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wtskbl )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thought it was about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
mircea_popescu: whereas i for a very long time have held the firm "fuck you, the text i write, i write with no consideration as to what you might misunderstand of it"
mircea_popescu: which also happens to be the right thing, incidentally.
asciilifeform: no shit.
mircea_popescu: fear the power of the cult. the deepest errors can survive all of five minutes in the charged atmosphere.
mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing.
asciilifeform: speaking of czech language, has jurov ever played the most famous msdos adventure game of his country, 'edna' ?
asciilifeform: beautiful thing
jurov: no
asciilifeform: witch, vaguely babayaga-like, walks around collecting clues re: where to find ingredients for revenge potion against the king (who banished her). most of the dialogue is in rhyme
asciilifeform: entirely untranslatable
asciilifeform: so it was never translated.
asciilifeform: not even to ru.
jurov: http://www.amazon.de/bhv-Distribution-Edna-bricht-aus/dp/3828761631 but to german?
assbot: Edna bricht aus: Pc: Amazon.de: Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffz1vy )
asciilifeform: http://www.oldgames.sk/en/game/edna
assbot: Edna :: DJ OldGames ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffz1Mn )
jurov: trying to find it
asciilifeform: jurov: the de one appears to be different item ?
asciilifeform: my link has the w4r3z iirc
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEZ2UQ3SRWM yes looks beautiful
assbot: Edna, PC DOS (1997) [CZ] - Gameplay + CD Audio Music - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffztKu )
asciilifeform: mega-music also
jurov: somehow never came around
asciilifeform: really represents all that was lost
asciilifeform: in the old world of games where the authors gave a shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11960 @ 0.00067073 = 8.0219 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;calc ((100 + (203-100)/2)/100)/7.6125
gribble: 0.199014778325
asciilifeform: wat
mircea_popescu: eulora stuff.
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-15.log.html#t18:10:56
assbot: #Eulora log for Saturday, 2015-08-15 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtvCeu )
mircea_popescu: how any lisper can keep away from it is anyone's guess by this point.
asciilifeform: very easily
asciilifeform: by, say, not owning a 3d card
mircea_popescu: but it may be that lisp is not actually useful in practice!11111!!1
BingoBoingo though MP may have been doing math related to producing a lucite cast of Obola's recutm to place in the Hearnia's urinary bladder
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238834 << not catastrophically wrong, but more of a microscope-hammer sorta wrong
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 18:01:27; *: mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing.
asciilifeform: 'unix philosophy' had an actual meaning at one point, and was a very promising thing
mircea_popescu: i feel like, sensibly, palpably smarter today.
jurov: asciilifeform: good you haven't seen mpex statjson output
asciilifeform: jurov: actually i might have, back when i briefly had an acct
jurov: back then there wan no statjson
asciilifeform: then no.
jurov: *was no
asciilifeform: 56/59/27 (dulap/zulag/incitatus), all 3 fully synced
asciilifeform: heavy day.
asciilifeform: (the latter pretty much never gets more than a dozen connections at one time)
asciilifeform: andrew@andreworr.ca is pretty typical, apparently, '32-bit mirror slider'
asciilifeform: his other modulus will pop up soon, also
asciilifeform: it, too, is 'magical'
asciilifeform: (who wants, can paste it into a python repl and hex(........) to see what i mean)
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaaand....
asciilifeform: drumroll........
asciilifeform: https://nmap.org/nsedoc/lib/bitcoin.html
assbot: bitcoin NSE Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxizmp )
asciilifeform: ^ Patrik Karlsson <patrik@cqure.net> Andrew Orr <andrew@andreworr.ca>
asciilifeform: authors.
asciilifeform: (all this re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238611 )
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 15:21:21; asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC
asciilifeform: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=andrew%40andreworr.ca&op=index
assbot: Search results for 'ca andreworr andrew' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiIX3 )
asciilifeform: ^ exactly typical for the 'magic 98'
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/UuotP
assbot: Search results for 'ca andreworr andrew' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiOxC )
asciilifeform: ^ mirror.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/R6ln5 and https://archive.is/Jskeb
assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0x0947bbf3e954df04 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiTBA )
assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0x91e594358f264832 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiTBC )
asciilifeform: ^ payloads.
asciilifeform: http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20110620/667febb1/attachment.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjkf4 )
asciilifeform: and http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20110623/4a44cbaa/attachment.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjovm )
asciilifeform: (re: mr orr)
asciilifeform: http://blog.skullspace.ca/2011/02/skullspace-winnipeg-inc_3.html
assbot: SkullSpace Winnipeg: Skullspace Winnipeg Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjwev )
asciilifeform: unlike mircea_popescu, i do not presently believe that ~all~ of these folks have been shot with the stupid-cannon
asciilifeform: at some point one of them will read this log and write in
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: somehow i suspect that most of these people would give more of a fuck if the city phonebook (which no one i'm aware of uses for anything but kindling...) were to list a nigerian spammer's phone # instead of their own
mircea_popescu: doubt it.
asciilifeform: mr orr doesn't look like the usual vegetable to me
mircea_popescu: the vegetable quality is a thing apart.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: they're all vegetal. the smart and the dumb, the tall and the short, the ones with tits and the ones without
mircea_popescu: being a vegetable is unrelated to any other measurable quality.
mircea_popescu: it's just buying into this "being civilised means inhabiting the world of dreams"
mircea_popescu: like an opium habit.
asciilifeform: is this rather about whether fella has woken up to the salient fact of his time ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: (e.g., in orwell's, coming of ww2)
mircea_popescu: no, in orwells - that he is insufficient, and he is a representative memberf of an inssuficient generation.
mircea_popescu: this, he never woke up to.
asciilifeform: sad thing is, he kinda did
asciilifeform: but didn't feel like eating his pistol quite yet, so made up various stories in his head
mircea_popescu: i distrust kindas.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00070022 = 50.0657 BTC [+] {11}
mircea_popescu: rioght ?
mircea_popescu: and the kids coming after that just built on the habit.
mircea_popescu: the daydreaming children of insufficient parents.
mircea_popescu: omfg 70!
mircea_popescu: MWOOT
asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 370004 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 939 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: happy odometer rollover.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122800 @ 0.00068782 = 84.4643 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: purdy cool
asciilifeform has a separate display panel for the nodez, if anyone wondered, yes
BingoBoingo actually kinda surprised Hearn didn't wait until the first weekend of September to drop his trousers for a fencing contest. Shitgnommery was starting to get a pattern.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for some reason i thought that his 'if enough of us, let's open fire' turd was released ages ago
asciilifeform: a bit surprised to learn that it just now went out.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Idea of it was, then he released some binaries earlier this week for turd platforms. Now declaration of forking.
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking/cu4332k
assbot: PhiMinD comments on Why is Bitcoin forking? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiUl1h )
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r03i/mike_hearn_is_saying_fork_might_ignore_the << linked, lulzy
assbot: Mike Hearn is saying Fork might ignore the longest chain! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiUp0Y )
mircea_popescu: it would have to.
mircea_popescu: how else ?
asciilifeform: tame/retarded minerz ?
mircea_popescu: lol right.
asciilifeform: hey, no shortage of the latter
mircea_popescu: count the eth mining power.
asciilifeform: as suggested by the july 4 incident
mircea_popescu: no shortage of tyhe latter ON REDDIT
mircea_popescu: or any other place where the bar to entry is not as high as to exclude the urban poor.
asciilifeform: nah, in the land of the cat&dog eaters
mircea_popescu: the chinese do learn.
mircea_popescu: even if they have to be beaten with a nailed plank first
mircea_popescu: they do learn.
mircea_popescu: not so much can be said about the anglos.
asciilifeform can't wait for the first tard block
mircea_popescu: you are not alone.
mircea_popescu: it will be absolutely great if they scam any exchange into accepting their shit as bitcoin, or otherwise if any retards pay money for xtc.
mircea_popescu: for i have some bridges for sale.
BingoBoingo suggest shorting instrument be refered to a TexasCoin or TXCoin for the phillipino's lulz and dyslexia
asciilifeform: l0l xtc
asciilifeform: extacy
BingoBoingo going out to pick up some venom and bile. I can't even today.
mircea_popescu: shorting instrument my foot. it can't be shorted for the same reason you can't short random idiot's imaginary girlfriend.
mircea_popescu: he only buys from himself.
asciilifeform: zulag shall down for maintenance for most of today, starting 30 seconds ago.
kakobrekla: anyone running a tally on last blocks supporting increase?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Third graph http://xtnodes.com/ so far 0
assbot: XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )
kakobrekla: 0, really ?
BingoBoingo: Looking that way with blocks. Gotta remember Chicoms mine SPV, prolly haven't fiddled that string yet
BingoBoingo: http://etramping.com/rather-go-hungry-eat-filipino-food-again/
assbot: I Would Rather Go Hungry Than Eat Filipino Street Food Again! - eTramping.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITJZzC )
BingoBoingo: "We were open to new things, we were willing to eat anything locals gave us and we were so curious about new dishes. That has changed after 4 days of stomachache, dizziness and feeling overtired and bloated." << Made for Redditing
mircea_popescu: more of the "lowest common denominator is representatives for groups" ideology crashing on the jagged shores of reality.
mircea_popescu: i was curious about dishes too, but i didn't expect to find them in the gutter.
BingoBoingo: After research Phils does not seem like a destination to linger long when exit comes, if it even still makes the list by the time I get out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58844 @ 0.00071154 = 41.8699 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up King_Rex
King_Rex: ty
BingoBoingo: King_Rex: Thoughts on Hearn dropping his pants today?
King_Rex: link? does this mean he'll stop talking?
mircea_popescu: even max keiser is still talking.
BingoBoingo: scroll up, no it means he's forking.
King_Rex: oh noes?
mod6: asciilifeform: I have successfully reproduced the rel1.patch on my own now with the same matching antecedent/new hashes. I have script that reproduces this all the way up through v0.5.3.1 -- will continue on and do the same for up through v0.5.4 before let everyone see. But, so far, so good.
King_Rex: mircea_popescu i read Fefeleaga, thanks for posting
mircea_popescu: cheers.
BingoBoingo: Hello bitstein, been a while
bitstein: Yea, mostly lurkin these days.
bitstein: Didn't see this in the logs. Someone claiming to be Satoshi posted on the bitcoin-dev list: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxtigu )
asciilifeform: i can't wait for a 'donation of constantine' moment
asciilifeform: it'll be hilarious.
asciilifeform: on one hand, poster said nothing profoundly retarded.
asciilifeform: on other hand - no signature.
asciilifeform: so could be you, me, hitler.
BingoBoingo: bitstein: Well can't use the @gmx.whatever email anymore because haxxed. Curiously not signed
bitstein: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: Satoshi didn't actually sign much (if anything?), so it would be hard to verify regardless.
BingoBoingo: He signed enough that his signature could attest he wrote it or was rectotherm'd
asciilifeform: could sign with his addresses, even.
asciilifeform: or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key.
bitstein: asciilifeform: yea, he could
bitstein: BingoBoingo: What has he actually signed? Nothing is coming to mind immediately.
asciilifeform: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010239.html << l0l
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxtOex )
asciilifeform: esp re: the 32-bit fp
asciilifeform: somebody cook up a key with that fp as seen in idiot winblows pgp, and sign, for the lulz
BingoBoingo too busy loading up the gallblader
asciilifeform: !s 5EC948A1
assbot: 0 results for '5EC948A1' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=5EC948A1
asciilifeform: ;;google 5EC948A1
gribble: Proof of Satoshi with signed key : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zs564/proof_of_satoshi_with_signed_key/>; Glenn Greenwald and Satoshi Nakamoto Comsec - Cryptome: <http://cryptome.org/2013/12/gg-satoshi-comsec.htm>; Satoshi Nakamoto's P2P foundation profile makes a reply - Bitcoin ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504715.0>
asciilifeform: http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 << it ?
assbot: Search results for '0x18c09e865ec948a1' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxu3Gw )
bitstein: Spoiler warning: that "proof" on reddit was bs.
asciilifeform: l0l 'john titor'
shinohai: Isn't all "proof" on reddit?
asciilifeform: (famous hoax)
asciilifeform: trying to turn up something that was actually signed, ever, by 'satoshi'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-jerking-around-a-modern-bedtime-pattern/
assbot: The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxugJO )
mircea_popescu: let me know if it actually makes any sense or i summarized to omuch
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key. << not acceptable, been shared.
asciilifeform: aye
asciilifeform: but who's to say what has or has not been shared.
asciilifeform: for all we know, original key is shared by the 1,001 nsa contractors who wrote the turd
mircea_popescu: in that case, in the positive, me.
mircea_popescu: in other cases, by the case.
asciilifeform: so far the only thing i can turn up as 'satoshi's pubkey' is his coin addrs' privkeys
asciilifeform: all else could easily be anyone.
bitstein: asciilifeform: that's what i suspected
shinohai: http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2
assbot: Satoshi email analysis - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVXUs1 )
shinohai: lel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spiffy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still i find it interesting how impenetrable the usg 'never happened because we say so' shield is
asciilifeform: e.g., not one sane inquiry from outside of #b-a re: phuctor, to date, afaik
mircea_popescu: this hasd nothin to do with an yshield.
asciilifeform: it's as if it happened on some distant solar system
mircea_popescu: it has.
mircea_popescu: do you know how many inquiries the mongols got from hungarians ?
mircea_popescu: before wearing the hungarians as cock decorations ?
mircea_popescu: like, say, at the time they were butchering around the don. how many hungarian dudes came over to ask questions ? dja know ?
mircea_popescu: do you know how many us car makers were all over japan in the 50s ?
mircea_popescu: "teh shield of teh usg was strong in the 50s car industree"
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://www.krumel.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/yoyo.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxvLaZ )
scoopbot_revived: The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. http://trilema.com/2015/the-jerking-around-a-modern-bedtime-pattern/
asciilifeform: 'your average Romanian fellow would readily prefer to earn 11 units, when everyone else earns 10, instead of an alternative where he earns 90, when everyone else earns 100, indifferent to the fact that 90 is still, significantly above 11. This, in the language, is called "the neighbour's goat problem".' << but this is rational !
asciilifeform: at least in bitcoinlandia
mircea_popescu: whether rational or not.
mircea_popescu: in any case it makes the desires of post-capitalism, the welfare state and the consumerist society, impossible.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as at the time romanians declared they wish the latter, it was irrational.
asciilifeform: folks want 'get rich while you sleep, damn it, not bathtub of 'monopoly' money.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to get rich while you sleep that doens't include everyone else getting richer.
wyrdmantis: i'll just leave this here http://imgur.com/PzD9EVR
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW0MoT )
asciilifeform: lelz
shinohai: LOL
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have yet to fully grasp how this particular arithmetic handicap works. what is the mental process like, whereby schmuck doesn't wake up to the fact that 'get 90 while everyone gets 100' is equivalent to 'lose 1, keep 9, when everyone keeps 10' ?
mircea_popescu: lose 2
mircea_popescu: it's not hard to explain tho. there's a political and a biological approach to life. the political approach is the thought of the alpha, the thing that results in half decade of trench warfare and a ruined europe : "either you sit lower than me or we fight."
asciilifeform: at any rate, the fixation with units of account is odd, if speaking of sovietized folk. i'd imagine they would realize that what they really want is 'sleep ad libitum', or even 'mercedes 600', rather than 'bag of benjies' per se
mircea_popescu: the biological approach is, "all i need are three meals a day. half a meal a day is less than what i need, five meals a day is more. i prefer the latter"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly wrong.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason argentines are worried about "insecuridad" and mexicans abotu the fucking rain. they published a study here recently - the most worried about global warming is... south fucking america. they're still in the 1850s re sun here, even have their ozone.
mircea_popescu: so, no. the soviets will be obsessed with units of account.
asciilifeform measured this with own skin
asciilifeform: the ozone.
asciilifeform: was floored.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3591 @ 0.00071302 = 2.5605 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anwyay, back to the issue. buck will maintain a perimeter of forest edge and brush. with his life.
mircea_popescu: doe will eat enough to raise her young.
mircea_popescu: different approaches, for different needs.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238620 <<< yeah, sorry about that
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 15:25:00; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238536 << maybe because it's actually 195.211.154.159 ?
shinohai: https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml
assbot: NSA Suite B Cryptography - NSA/CSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW1D90 )
shinohai: wrong window sorry guys
asciilifeform: 'IAD recognizes that there will be a move, in the not distant future, to a quantum resistant algorithm suite. Based on experience in deploying Suite B, we have determined to start planning and communicating early about the upcoming transition to quantum resistant algorithms. Our ultimate goal is to provide cost effective security against a potential quantum computer. We are working with partners across the USG, vendors, and s
asciilifeform: tandards bodies to ensure there is a clear plan for getting a new suite of algorithms that are developed in an open and transparent manner that will form the foundation of our next Suite of cryptographic algorithms. Until this new suite is developed and products are available implementing the quantum resistant suite, we will rely on current algorithms. For those partners and vendors that have not yet made the transition to Sui
asciilifeform: te B algorithms, we recommend not making a significant expenditure to do so at this point but instead to prepare for the upcoming quantum resistant algorithm transition.'
asciilifeform: ^ l0l!
asciilifeform: new verbiage
asciilifeform: (can't recall this shit being in there earlier this year)
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: wait, "across the usg" ?
mircea_popescu: is this now polite terminology inside the perimeter ?
asciilifeform: has been for 20yrs
asciilifeform: what, thought mr mold & co invented it ?
mircea_popescu: i read relatively little of their straight output
mircea_popescu: too much of it, too woody.
wyrdmantis: http://xtnodes.com/ italian derps are HOORAYing for a 10% surge in a few hours... i don't even...
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait wtf, don't move to suite b wait for suite qt ?!
asciilifeform: 'It is important to note that we aren’t asking vendors to stop implementing the Suite B algorithms and we aren’t asking our national security customers to stop using these algorithms. Rather, we want to give more flexibility to vendors and our customers in the present as we prepare for a quantum safe future. Where elliptic curve protocols are to be used, we prefer Suite B standards be used to the fullest extent possible a
asciilifeform: s they have a long history of security evaluation and time tested implementation that newer proposals do not yet have.'
asciilifeform: hard to say, reads like the output of five separate monkeys who did not have any kind of complete picture each, other than a checklist of 'agenda items' to address
mircea_popescu: this is directly contradicting the last phrase in the previous snippet.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: hence my observation.
mircea_popescu: we aren't recommending you do what we just recommended you do.
mircea_popescu: ridiculous. anyway, let teh usg keep on with the curves, wut.
asciilifeform: kinda curious which hardness puzzle they'll bless for 'q-resistant'
BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: Majority of social media noise not italian, check their grammar
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you add two and substract two and it comes out as what it was it's quantum resistant right ?
mircea_popescu: at least in 99.9% of cases.
asciilifeform: qc is not a wholly imaginary item, but a well-defined gadget proposed by r. feynman (naturally without schematics..)
mircea_popescu: on what grounds do yo uassume this is that ?
asciilifeform: what will or will not run, is also not completely empty field (e.g., shor's algo)
mircea_popescu: "scientist" is also a well defined gadget.
asciilifeform: don't misunderstand, defined in strictly gedankenexperiment terms
asciilifeform: in 'lectures on computation' (r. f.)
mircea_popescu: there is no basis that i can perceive on which one could propose that the term "quantum" as used by usg in any context has any meaning.
wyrdmantis: BingoBoingo: yes, i know, but the italian community that uses Telegram chatrooms is on fire tonight
mircea_popescu: i didn't know you were italian wyrdmantis
mircea_popescu: then again i also didn't know telegram is some sort of chatroom, so.
asciilifeform: they are speaking of a particular machine, which no one (as publicly known has built), but, e.g., 'd-wave' fraudulently sold to a few rich schmucks, and the difficulties of construction are not mysterious
asciilifeform: like airplane in 1880
mircea_popescu: how do you know they are ?
BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: Any of them with interesting business opportunities in the Middle west?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly better comparison is hot fusion
mircea_popescu: probably even better comparison is "stealth"
mircea_popescu: turns out the stealth airplane is not stealth in any sense.
asciilifeform: in that aficionados will point to a list of fairly specific, supposedly-'we're almost there' problems, that in point of fact no one knows how to solve ~~in ensemble~~
mircea_popescu: and as the chief procurer pointed out "if you break the guidance at any point, we're still gonna call it stealth"
asciilifeform: individually - one? sure. while exacerbating the others.
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wyrdmantis: BingoBoingo: i don't know, what do you mean with Middle west? Europe?
mircea_popescu: now, granted, stealth is a well defined concept.
mircea_popescu: but not so in usg usage.
asciilifeform: originally well-defined, in the 'theory of edge wave' paper
asciilifeform: then - marketards got to it, aha.
asciilifeform: but they devour everything
mircea_popescu: i just don't see any cause to suspect this is what they;'re talking about
mod6: asciilifeform: ok here it is: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/orc.sh
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW3w5F )
asciilifeform: like graveworms
asciilifeform: mod6: spiffy
asciilifeform bbl
mod6: So I've basically been able to reproduce both of your rel1.patch & rel2-pre.patch -- and I went through your patch with my script's created patch side by side by hand and verified the sha512s
mod6: Anyone who wants to please be a second pair of eyes here: run the script and then compare the scripts version to ascii's version:
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu: i'm italian yes, and telegram is like Whatsapp but free, nothing that may interest you
mod6: orchestra/rel1.patch v. orchestra/test-v0531-patches/rel1-test.patch
mod6: and
mod6: orchestra/rel2-pre.patch v. orchestra/test-v054-patches/rel2-pre-test.patch
davout: mircea_popescu: x.eur plz
BingoBoingo: <wyrdmantis> BingoBoingo: i don't know, what do you mean with Middle west? Europe? << Missourah
BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: If you know any Wops with a plan that isn't tarded I'd cross the river for that just to get out of Illinois though recent opportunities to take money Illinois would offer other people seem interesting if they pan out.
mircea_popescu: for free ie, like whatsap was free : yet.
mircea_popescu: hoping to one day find some idiots to "buy" it
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: dav aha in a moment.
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shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/surfing-the-internet-from-my-trs-80-model-100/ <<< memories!
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wyrdmantis: BingoBoingo i'll investigate
BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: No hurry. I'm probably not going to be to interested if anything comes up anyways and introductions are important. They should have known me first.
trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisonous_pedagogy << bwahahaha
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trinque: aka spanking your kid
shinohai: trinque: werent you the gentleman that had a gentoo build script?
trinque: shinohai: sure do
trinque: in teh logs, lemme see
shinohai: I remember you posting it but I lost the paste ... for qemu if memory serves
trinque: right, easy to alter though for an arbitrary block device
trinque: just have to hack some things out of the lilo config
trinque: and change two vars at the top
shinohai: nah i need something for qemu tbh
shinohai: So I can watch it like Sesame St. until I get the hang of it
trinque: ah k, and cool; exactly why I targeted that first
trinque: lemme actually sign the thing then
shinohai: kk
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trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig
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trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh
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trinque: knobs at the top, will currently squeeze out a root.img in the current directory
trinque: lemme know how it goes
trinque: and the thing's written such that you can go edit the config files easily from within, should you want to
trinque: pick a different stage3, change make.conf, whatever
trinque: it also assumes you have the gentoo releases gpg pubkey
trinque: oh also run as root; it needs to for example loop-mount the image
trinque: and finally, the current stage3 in there is actually stale. so you'll have to alter that.
trinque: 20150813
trinque: I don't like that they delete the old stage3's so quickly...
trinque: how the fuck am I supposed to be able to say that "this one is known to work"
trinque: stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-20150813.tar.bz2 <<
trinque: or whatever ya like
shinohai: ty \o/
shinohai: i searched the logs for HOURS
trinque: np, bout to depart, so hopefully that gets ya through
trinque: the gentoo key you want is 13EB BDBE DE7A 1277 5DFD B1BA BB57 2E0E 2D18 2910
shinohai: I appreciate your support to my cause!
trinque: hey no problem
trinque: ttyl
shinohai: o7
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/DCnDovk.jpg
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wyrdmantis: shinoai lolz, i was about to post the same image
punkman: http://snakeoil.cr.yp.to/
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shinohai: nice punkman, I had to channel my inner 90's
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punkman: https://underhandedcrypto.com/2015/08/08/crypto-privacy-village-contest-winners/
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239163 << i read that piece not long ago, while contemplating buying one.
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 22:11:23; shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/surfing-the-internet-from-my-trs-80-model-100/ <<< memories!
asciilifeform: and searching for docs
shinohai: I still have an original Extended Colour Basic manual lol
shinohai: dem GOTO's
cazalla: asciilifeform, are these AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed errors a problem? also is it normal behaviour to gain so many new connections from other ips? i thought i'd only be syncing from dulap http://dpaste.com/3KHQH2A.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWcQXd )
asciilifeform: cazalla: what are your run arguments ?
asciilifeform: cazalla: and you'll be seeing an ocean of 'ConnectInputs failed' if you're not at top block height
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
cazalla: just ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect=195.211.154.159
asciilifeform: cazalla: i don't see any connections from other ip ?
asciilifeform: in that log
BingoBoingo: cazalla: In your log?
cazalla: asciilifeform, at the bottom
asciilifeform: what is in the snipped part ?
cazalla: accepted connection 54.186.43.50:38455 these and many other ip addresses
asciilifeform: view process list, is it running with the args you thought you ran with ?
asciilifeform: and is the only instance
punkman: you might have addnode in config
asciilifeform: and this
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2775
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cazalla: not using addnode and process list shows what i ran as in "jon 23241 3.8 0.6 2106956 51844 pts/0 SLl+ 08:43 1:44 ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect=195.211.154.159
asciilifeform: netstat -a ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'their elven palaces in Rivendale' << fucking illiterate
asciilifeform: it's rivendell
asciilifeform: wtf inglisch speaker doesn't know this ?!!!$
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To be fair I read him now because you introduced him to this chan, and seriously who respects the fantasy worlds of a Briton?
asciilifeform: me??
asciilifeform: dun think so.
asciilifeform: !s from:asciilifeform www.jameslafond.com
assbot: 0 results for 'from:asciilifeform www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+www.jameslafond.com
asciilifeform: !s from:ascii_field www.jameslafond.com
assbot: 0 results for 'from:ascii_field www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii_field+www.jameslafond.com
asciilifeform: QED.
asciilifeform: !s from:decimation www.jameslafond.com
assbot: 3 results for 'from:decimation www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Adecimation+www.jameslafond.com
asciilifeform: ^ was him i think.
BingoBoingo: hmmm... I could have swore you introduced his links when Baltimore burned
BingoBoingo: AH
BingoBoingo: Twas the ghost
asciilifeform: the z80 article has spiffy photos
asciilifeform: recommended.
BingoBoingo: I can't remember the details of that drama, but damned if I don't confuse him for everyone else
cazalla: asciilifeform, what am i looking for in netstat? also, i still had 8333 port forwarding in router going on for 0.8.3, might that be the problem?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may be confusing him with diametric, like mircea_popescu did on a few occasions
asciilifeform: diametric is an actual person i see just about every day.
BingoBoingo: I've always confused him with diametric. In this case I think I confused with you because you talked about having been to the burning places in Baltimore now that I think about it.
asciilifeform: i have been to them. prior to their burning.
mircea_popescu: that wikipedia article is a rare example of extreme millitant ignorance.
mircea_popescu: a) the term is older than freud
BingoBoingo: Lafond guy seems to have some good stuff, a lot of bad stuff, and some interesting fiction. Just that accounting for getting hit in the head part takes work.
mircea_popescu: b) it readily describes all sorts of known-broken apprtoaches and techniques. such as the use of blackmail. it pointedly has nothing to do with either beating or set time breastfeeding
mircea_popescu: the two women named, miller and the other one, are unrelated to any academic field and especially unimportant for child rearing or child psychology.
asciilifeform: it isn't an article, it is cant, and this is detectable via five-second litmus of first paragraphs
asciilifeform doesn't typically bother to read these
mircea_popescu: but i am curious to see if this new trend will in some sort of timeframe bring us the black man invented cellphone of 2020
asciilifeform: here already
mircea_popescu: etc.
asciilifeform: soviet elephants are the biggest in the world!
mircea_popescu: well can't be here already, not yet 2020
mircea_popescu: in any case, sure, "buterin and hearn invented bitcoin in 2017" is just about the same deal.
asciilifeform: it'll be ethylin or somesuch
asciilifeform: propylin
asciilifeform: heptylin.
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least alexithymia
mircea_popescu: because if you say it in greek it ceases to be contemptibly stuopid.
mircea_popescu: The term "alexithymia" was coined by psychotherapist Peter Sifneos in 1973
mircea_popescu: except you can't "coin" anything if nobody ever heard about you or cared to read your stuff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform back to the earlier issue. how do you reconcile your concept of "a file" with your concept of notation ?
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: seems utf-8 is requisite.
mircea_popescu: you can't have ascii.
asciilifeform: why ?
asciilifeform: can have what you want in the file
mircea_popescu: because what is the difference between "this file is noted in ascii" and "this file includes a hash"
asciilifeform: because don't care what's inside
mircea_popescu: but ascii implies oyu must care.
asciilifeform: if you care what's inside, now you have to cut it
asciilifeform: i can (and often do) sign a tar.gz
asciilifeform: or, on one occasion, 10MB of rng output
asciilifeform: (or how much was it.)
mircea_popescu: but these are numbers.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: let's work this out.
asciilifeform: if i want to embed hashes next to their payload, i get an explosion of complexity. because,
mircea_popescu: on what basis does ascii notation exist ?
asciilifeform: 1) now i have to remove the header before hashing the payload
asciilifeform: 2) have to represent the header differently if payload is meant to be displayable ascii, than if it is a binary
asciilifeform: (that is, unconstrained to printable chars)
asciilifeform: btw 'binaries' are not merely 'un-ascii' but include intrinsic unprintables (control chars)
asciilifeform: so it isn't an ascii vs utf fight
mircea_popescu: but on what basis does this particular alphabet exist.
asciilifeform: on the basis of the fella who build the vt100
asciilifeform: ask him, not me.
asciilifeform: some codes were reserved for line feed, dinging the bell (yes), etc.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: cat /dev/random and see what you get.
asciilifeform: or some other source of binaryrubbish
asciilifeform: you will even notice that sometimes this results in a permanently b0rk3d terminal.
kakobrekla: happens when i tail the wrong thing.
mircea_popescu: right ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: so then how do you resolve this ?
asciilifeform: by out of band sign.
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: the fact that your cat /dev/random breaks things is PROOF that you are already using something like "hash" in your file.
asciilifeform: or with magical fairy dust.
asciilifeform: wai wat
punkman: best thing you can do with text encodings is guess
mircea_popescu: there is necessarily no difference, at the conceptual level we're discussing, between "don't put hash in file" and "ascii doesn't exist"
asciilifeform: throwing garbage into a vt100-compatible terminal breaks things for reasons that are not mysterious at all. rtfm?
mircea_popescu: manuals don't matter.
asciilifeform: terminal has state.
mircea_popescu: i can write a manual for how to interact with my file with hashes in it
asciilifeform: and various oddities not really used in modern times.
mircea_popescu: "explosion of complexity", ie, the need for manuals.
asciilifeform: ok back to the example
asciilifeform: say we ask that a file carry hash in a header.
asciilifeform: IT CANNOT BE THE SAME FORMAT FOR bins and text
mircea_popescu: im not really interested in the practical example, but in the theoretical objection.
asciilifeform: because if we deal with the insides of any text, ever, we suddenly get line-endings and escapes and crapola
asciilifeform: this is the objection
asciilifeform: cannot be oblivious of payload
asciilifeform: cannot rehash just by cat file | sha512sum
asciilifeform: now have to put in a whole paragraph of sed, tr, and other potentially drepperized utils
asciilifeform: (i, for instance, know of two separate exploitable bugs in 'strings'.)
mircea_popescu: so you're not really defending a principle, you're just saying "we already have all the complexity for X idiocy, and not for Y idiocy, thus X i won't notice and Y i'll reject"
asciilifeform: no.
mircea_popescu: then speak to it.
asciilifeform: the present scheme has intrinsically fewer moving parts.
asciilifeform: and is more oblivious of contents.
asciilifeform: ergo superior.
mircea_popescu: but by that same principle, ascii is an unacceptable convention.
asciilifeform: whereas the alternative is only even contemplated because pgp is retarded.
asciilifeform: ascii is retarded. complain to the central committee, or who was it.
asciilifeform: ckkpss.
mircea_popescu: so you agree that actually ascii is dumb and has no place in computing ?
asciilifeform: sure is.
mircea_popescu: and utf-8, or whatever other unfixed width translation scheme, is the right approach ?
asciilifeform: it still won't display /dev/random
asciilifeform: meaningfully
asciilifeform: btw, in-band signalling is precisely why an animal like 'backspace' is a character
asciilifeform: or line-end
asciilifeform: etc
asciilifeform: iirc tcp as originally proposed had a second channel for virtual 'out of band' ! but was never used.
asciilifeform: by anyone.
asciilifeform: because 'eh why'd we need that!'
mircea_popescu: im starting to think there's really a lot more than meets my eye.
asciilifeform: there sure is
mircea_popescu: here*
mircea_popescu: but ascii is eminently A REDUCTION of complexity!
mircea_popescu: and tcp with 2nd chan did not catch on precisely because added complexity.
asciilifeform: or so it appeared.
mircea_popescu: it still does. to this very day.
asciilifeform: the question of 'which road to take to ultimately get fewer moving parts' is the mega-question in all engineering
mircea_popescu: they got python to work with it in six weeks over pizza, and they still don't have python that works with special chars
mircea_popescu: ten years of trying late.rt
asciilifeform: but ten years of who..
mircea_popescu: supposedly some of the original crew at least for part of it
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: the folks who couldn't crack the wallnut in the first try.
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asciilifeform: briefly back to that thread: the only way to have a channel where any possible bits are correctly drawable on a terminal, is to put the control codes (which move the cursor, or flip colours, or ring fucking bells, or release guillotine blade, or whatnot) on ~another~ channel.
asciilifeform: tertium non datur.
asciilifeform: naggum has umpteen threads where he fights with various folks over xml attributes
asciilifeform: which he regarded (having had the misfortune to play a part in creating!) as a similar kind of retardation
asciilifeform: separation of structure and content is hard (and questionably doable at all)
mircea_popescu: how did he end up playing a part ?
mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: he was on the sgml brigade.
mircea_popescu: that's what im leading to. how do you know it's possible.
asciilifeform: we... don't.
asciilifeform: and, as perpetuum mobile, all attempts at doing the fundamentally impossible are bound to end in tears
asciilifeform: of one kind or other.
mircea_popescu: so then why are we having this discussion.
asciilifeform: because,
asciilifeform: pointing out that unix will let us work with an arbitrary bitstring,
asciilifeform: but if you allow that it is to be ~ever~ a displayable string,
asciilifeform: you're in for a world of turd.
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asciilifeform: if it is permissible to say ~it is never displayable~, then you have an ordinary bin format, e.g., 'gzip'
asciilifeform bbl, eating
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mircea_popescu: dat mpoe graph
BingoBoingo: http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/columbia-man-in-confederate-flag-fight-gives-his-side-rebel/article_17d3f082-412e-11e5-89a8-9b3d1bdc1f58.html
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mircea_popescu: as if there exists anyone in the verbiage side of the us who doesn't, as a principal actiuvity, misrepresent their work.
mircea_popescu: all they do is talk about what they did. that supposedly isn't talking about what they did, so necessarily they gotta be misrepresentin'.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I misrepresent Qntra to fellow USians as mowing lawns
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "acclaimed expert on the subject of campus sexual assault"
mircea_popescu: wait. what ?!
mircea_popescu: how is this a subject and who acclaimed when ?
BingoBoingo: He came up with the "all campus rapes are drink drugging serial offenders" theory
mircea_popescu: anyway, at issue in the "cultural revolution" camp is getting rid of the inconvenient theory that rape is rare and rapists few
BingoBoingo: And this article is a woman saying nope
mircea_popescu: they would like all men to be rapists and all interaction rape, at least "to some degree"
BingoBoingo: "microaggressions"
mircea_popescu: thus every man and every interaction requiring something like a permission slip from... well..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00072653 = 7.3016 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but i do appreciate the significant increase in discoursive vitriol.
BingoBoingo remembers owning a perhaps poor translation of the communist manifesto that suggested ho trains as a replacement for marriage.
mircea_popescu: "he is guilty, he reprsented his research as relevant!"
mircea_popescu: exactly what mary whatsername will be hanged from.
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure we are going to run out of trees
mircea_popescu: only need 15 tree-minutes per.
BingoBoingo: I thought we were going to skip the rope and hang them by the anal spincter until they bleed out or starve. I'll have to redo my forest evaluations and my Forrest evaluations.
BingoBoingo pretty sure this time it was ascii who recommended butt pikes for Hearnias including a recommendation for a particular species of pine
BingoBoingo: !s pine
assbot: 46 results for 'pine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pine
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BingoBoingo: Maybe I am just old and slipping
BingoBoingo: Re: Bob Beck and the MicroShaft revolving door: http://philippinefailblog.com/little-miss-take-dating-in-manila/
assbot: Little Miss Take: Dating In Manila | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DTXFOl )
BingoBoingo: "There were 2 puppies that often came to our home to sleep in the shade. I thought they were wild dogs. I gave them milk or water. Well about 1 week later one puppy was dead in front of our gate. We found out the dogs belonged to our next door neighbor. There were many kids laughing around the dead body so we asked the neighbor to remove the dog for us. She said in a while we are preparing dinner. Then a few days later we noticed
BingoBoingo: she ran over the other puppy in her driveway killing it too."
BingoBoingo: "They can’t look after themselves. These are extremely lazy freeloaders that have no concept of things or any initiative. They say it’s their culture but it’s simply a freeloading lazy exploitative narcissistic mentality, a kind prostitution and uncivilized behavior. "
BingoBoingo: I can tell you the worst in all of this they don’t consider me at all or what I want even though I’m paying, that’s the worst of it
BingoBoingo: ^When facing such a Bob Beck, best not to be the paying Theo
hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1235149 << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested).
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 19:12:55; hanbot: shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help)
hanbot: i had tabs of "patches to apply" open for two weeks in a mess of others, it got nice and fucked up meanwhile and i hadn't reverified before patching, hurrdurr. yest rebuilt with correct sequence (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209307), looks good, notes tonight.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, the expectation that people will do what you tell them is widely misplace.
mircea_popescu: most people aren't even equipped to comprehend what's being said.
mircea_popescu: "A month later I get a text asking me to invest in her business." right.
punkman: "Im dating a girl for over a year. During this period I pay for flights, hotels, food, clothing, gifts for family, medicine, doctors, taxis, coco juice…basically everything. 100s of thousands of pesos. During this time I wasn’t treated to a single drink, not even a glass of water. She’s obsessed with selfies and facebook."
punkman: so after declining 11 times, he fell for it?
mircea_popescu: "#10. I date a girl for 6 months. We get on fine. She texts me and asks for nearly 70000pesos for house deposit for her and her gay friend who are both house hunting. She says she and friend will pay it back to me the very next day. I decline. She tells me I’m dumped."
mircea_popescu: bwhahaah win.
mircea_popescu: dude's a naive twerp. you put them to work.
mircea_popescu: who ever heard of this bs.
punkman: http://philippinefailblog.com/my-experience-dating-a-filipina/ even bigger chump
assbot: My Experience Dating A Filipina | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUfuJY )
punkman: "I’ve asked to her to not leave candy wrappers on the bed or food on the counter as I find hundreds of ants when she does but she does anyway."
mircea_popescu: date a filipino chick ; not make her clean up your house. wtf ?!
mircea_popescu: it's almost like dating a mexican and not making him do your gardening.
mircea_popescu: woman married to a pole with a leaky toilet. wtf people!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00073004 = 14.0898 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: good god this just goes on and on. heh.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland.
asciilifeform: hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239446 << any particular reason for the omissions, or mistake ?
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2015 00:54:40; hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1235149 << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested).
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239466 << to paraphrase william gibson re: 'future' - it is ~already~ in maryland, 'just not evenly distributed'
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2015 01:39:37; mircea_popescu: ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland.
mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-26253 << lol at some dude. is this a new alt of an old scammer or wut.
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1heNvhq )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00073003 = 20.4773 BTC [-] {5}
hanbot: asciilifeform bad hygiene on my part. by the time i'd gotten the release to build my tabs "saved for later when patching" were a mess, and i didn't re-check.
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own
asciilifeform: it has all mainline patches released to date.
asciilifeform: (in the case of rel1, literally; in the case of rel2-pre - all that have been proposed for that release)
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: incitatus is back.
asciilifeform: (in the unlikely event anyone missed it!)
asciilifeform: zoolag
asciilifeform: damn it
asciilifeform: zoolag is back.
asciilifeform: incitatus, old piece of shit, was not the subject of this story.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own << likely will try it out, yeah.
asciilifeform: http://www.krivosheev.ru/1-HTML/Svejkovina/Nohavica/Sekne-context.html << i nominate for prize, 'worst translation on the planet'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1heRbQe )
phf: hehe
phf: vkontakte-friendly translation methodology
asciilifeform: 'The laziness I witnessed just from her was shocking. One of the homes we rented was so disgustingly filthy when we arrived. My immediate response was to get to it and clean. The appliances were brown and greasy and under them was even worse. I began to move furniture and wash the floors, clean washrooms etc. and scrubbing film off the floors and tiles while she was spread out on the couch watching movies. I was furious about
asciilifeform: the condition of the place because the previous tenants were her sister and family members that had lived there and left it in this condition. My girlfriend threw our food in no particular order in the cupboards and fridge. I noticed thousands of red ants all over the counter and in the cupboards. Once I removed the food products I noticed thousands more and ant eggs all over. I asked her to get off her ass to help she wiped a
asciilifeform: few shelves but missed many. I am paying for all of this for her and her 2 siblings and assuming most of the responsibility for everything else. She leaves lights on, fridge door open which is already a piece of junk, food gets wasted, and drinks’ aren’t cold, she takes no initiative and wonders why I am angry with her all the time.' << win
asciilifeform: why, one wonders, did he not fuck a pig instead
asciilifeform: cheaper.
punkman: whole blog is full of complaining about girlfriends/wives
asciilifeform: 'Furnished means rat infested and this is not an exaggeration either w/ dirty linen, leaky gas lines etc. We ran out of a fresh tank of gas only in a few days and kept seeing a rat in our unit. We couldn’t find him until one day, living in our sofa. We heard him nightly and found droppings. It wasn’t until I tore apart the bottom of the sofa to find him there. By the way this is considered an upscale area and where there a
asciilifeform: re many foreign men supporting the women here. This rat was probably living here years without any Filipinos tenants being disturbed by any of this.' << am i missing something
asciilifeform: or is the allegation here that rats somehow live on leaking gas ?
asciilifeform: or am i alone in expecting a paragraph to stick to a subject.
punkman: "the previous tenants were her sister and family members"
punkman: maybe pet rat
asciilifeform: at least they've invented sport crucifixion !
asciilifeform: who said philippines were worthless.
asciilifeform: aficionados - straight to 'google images'.
punkman: oh like self-flagellation?
asciilifeform: mno
asciilifeform: crucifixion.
asciilifeform: with nails.
punkman: I mean in that spirit
asciilifeform: (they take'em down at the end of the day, sure.)
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asciilifeform: 'BLARNEY is the leading source of FISA collection, producing over 11,000 reports and is consistently a top contributor to the President's Daily Brief. The program contributes to over 60% of product reporting to the Counterterrorism product line and over 80% of the overall FAA reporting.'
asciilifeform: ( https://cryptome.org/2015/08/nsa-sso-fair-storm-blar-nyt-propub-15-0814.pdf )
asciilifeform: ^ no ocr available atm
asciilifeform: ^ lengthy turd concerning 'corporate partners' (telecom stoolies et al)
phf: i saw hook suspension as part of religious ceremony in souther india, they put a lot more showmanship into the whole process then u.s. bdsm crowd. between music, dancing and the general revelry, it's very impressive
mircea_popescu is sad that the imbecile "sane stupid and consensual" crowd has managed to make bdsm appear a sort of roadshow discipline, with all the other circus acts.
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/Iio16dQ.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1heV7jM )
mats: this filipino shit is unreadable
mats: and this writer is supposedly from canada
mircea_popescu: check it out the midwest doesn't existest.
punkman: hook suspension is more related to the bmezine crowd than bdsm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this particular item mainly infests cable drop sites and nearby
asciilifeform: (oceanic fiber)
mircea_popescu: punkman still, what came to his mind. and i know why the fuck it came to his mind, too.
asciilifeform: why?
mircea_popescu: because i've personally seen the sorts of fucktards who derp about how they're doing bdsm
phf: there's little difference between bmezine crowd and bdsm in u.s., see also mp's comment
mircea_popescu: exactly like "hackers"
phf: i've seen people do hook suspension at the same events they would fly volunteers, there's very little dynamic there besides "ropes! pain!"
mircea_popescu: buncha turdheads dont even KNOW each other
scoopbot_revived: Dutch Police Hunt For "Bitcoin Bomber" http://qntra.net/2015/08/dutch-police-hunt-for-bitcoin-bomber/
mircea_popescu: then they spend weeks penning diatribes on fetlife/wherever derping about who "violated" whose trust
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/sPMkDgY.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1heVN8Z )
mircea_popescu: "hey, i just agreed to be tied up naked by some guy i don't know, this doesn't mean he can also finger me!!111"
mircea_popescu: sort of byzantine quibbling
mircea_popescu: re the entire blarney thing : if my reports mostly consisted of who said what to whom behind whose back i'd just turn the whole shit off and go watch soaps. no fucking idea how it is that obama's not worried by mostly being fed blarney.
mircea_popescu: but hey, a country of slutmint, right. whatchagonnerdo.
asciilifeform: idk about mircea_popescu but i'm reading it, as the other snowdeniana, as hangout
asciilifeform: heavily censored, and selective to begin with
mircea_popescu: i'm not reading it.
asciilifeform: peppered with 'legalisms'
mircea_popescu: mats you don't dispute there's entire communities centered around living off derpy middle aged usian males do you ?
mats: mircea_popescu no dispute lol
asciilifeform: aaaaaand they're both done: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC
asciilifeform: (but not mega-surprise)
asciilifeform: 'Dutch police claimed the perpetrator created a letter in Notepad which was then mailed to the Jumbo supermarket chain demanding that unless an unknown quantity of bitcoin was paid to him, the attacks would continue.' << wat
asciilifeform: and did i just count no less than ~3~ msword .doc turds in that thing.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fbf322a08d68c2bc50a5a7429c88dba8/tumblr_nny2p7Td6e1s2ykobo1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1heYHuu )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00070275 = 48.2789 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform got 4th node, 'bucephalus', physically ready. but it still gotta be transported.
hanbot: bucephalus! can we send it oats?
asciilifeform: soon.
asciilifeform: incitatus also likes oats
pete_dushenski: top o' the evening !
phf: i know what bdsm scene needs. more 20 year old girls who are doms.
phf ducks
pete_dushenski: like you need two penises
mats: I've read good things about having two penises
mats: thanks, reddit
phf: one in each hand
pete_dushenski: mats you've also read about the merits of usgavin's noble for the community on reddit.
pete_dushenski: reddit has all the merit of the national enquirer and about as much believability
cazalla: asciilifeform, yeah there are few docs with a time line of events etc, nothing that isn't in the text of the article anyway
pete_dushenski: "bat boy in favour of block size increase !"
asciilifeform: cazalla: wai wat
mats: https://reddit.com/r/tabled/comments/1u7f50/table_iama_i_am_the_guy_with_two_penises_ama
assbot: [Table] IAmA: I am the guy with two penises. AMA. : tabled ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf0gsc )
mats: if you haven't already seen, ^
pete_dushenski: had not.
pete_dushenski: can't say i'm gonna click but hey, logs readers appreciate this kinda closing of the loop
cazalla: asciilifeform, i was responding to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239551, unless you were referring to something else with *.doc in it
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2015 03:45:14; asciilifeform: and did i just count no less than ~3~ msword .doc turds in that thing.
phf: pete_dushenski: fyi batty boy is gay man in creole
asciilifeform: ah
pete_dushenski: phf i can see it : batty = crazy = unorthodox

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