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assbot: xkcd: Driving ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhboCJ )
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ben_vulpes: evening, hanbot
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assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 20:35:24; decimation: except they are not reproducing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22183 @ 0.00050912 = 11.2938 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Japanese High School Girls Dancing and Having Some Fun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IT7JsU )
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222291 << 'super troopers' (2001) is a mega-classic, or at least it was the last time i saw it. it's been a few years but i remember loving that movie.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 18:19:34; mircea_popescu: in other news, https://i.imgur.com/TCjVzuQ.jpg
pete_dushenski hopes mircea_popescu knew this was staged.
pete_dushenski: though i admit that the difference between fact and fiction is exceedingly thin, particularly when discussing the american legal system.
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 283.02, Best ask: 283.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 283.01, 24 hour volume: 7526.59199257, 24 hour low: 277.16, 24 hour high: 283.44, 24 hour vwap: None
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43996 @ 0.000524 = 23.0539 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00052062 = 12.5469 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18092 @ 0.00053021 = 9.5926 BTC [+] {3}
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jurov: so?
jurov: czech nat'l bank sharply devalued their currency, without any real reason
jurov: recently
jurov: only so that their balance sheet look right
Apocalyptic: "without any real reason" // I thought it was to boost export
BingoBoingo: All kinds of reasons and no reasons
jurov: exporters need *stable* favorable exchange rate, not such shenanigans
jurov: and they import buch of stuff, too
BingoBoingo: I for one welcome shenanigans as our new overlord
jurov: of course, as you don't employ ppl and move stuff afaik
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00054073 = 5.948 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Of course
BingoBoingo: Much easier to leave stuff in place.
BingoBoingo: Or to move people and employ stuff
jurov: in other news, area fags organize group jerkoff devoted to putin :D
cazalla: anyone know what is going on here? http://dpaste.com/2HMWH8Z.txt i get stuck at block 367896, tried copying over to another pc and same deal, hits block 367896 and shits itself and spews please update messages (which i even tried over the weekend for shits and giggles with their 0.11 bitcoin core client but it crashes with core dumps or some shit, can't even go from genesis to current block on a fresh install)
jurov: obama can only dream of such
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00054133 = 16.3752 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: jurov: At his age isn't Putin too... shaved to be a bear? Pic related https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bf/3f/4c/bf3f4c4e4cbc909f957f939bb6bc7cc6.jpg
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Record transactions crammed into a block. On the 0.11 was there an OOM kill?
jurov: BingoBoingo: that's why is said fags, they like things immaculately shaved
BingoBoingo: Twinks
BingoBoingo: Though putin's a bit old to be a twink. A bit saggy too.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, just quits with core dumps or database is corrupt and -reindex ends up shitting itself too.. blew 50gb with their latest client and it doesn't even work, makes me wonder if they've even tried to sync a fresh install with their latest version
BingoBoingo: cazalla: This is interesting
scoopbot_revived: UK's Cameron Threatens Online Porn Shutdown Unless Online ID Scheme Implemented http://qntra.net/2015/08/uks-cameron-threatens-online-porn-shutdown-unless-online-id-scheme-implemented/
assbot: Emoji for food allergies may come to your phone soon ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0cqA7 )
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, i just linked that! but there is a better one https://i.imgur.com/QFetxTk.jpg
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223013 <<< Mine does the same, db errors all around.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 09:05:28; cazalla: BingoBoingo, just quits with core dumps or database is corrupt and -reindex ends up shitting itself too.. blew 50gb with their latest client and it doesn't even work, makes me wonder if they've even tried to sync a fresh install with their latest version
BingoBoingo: Ah I missed it
cazalla: "Australia's second-largest capital registered 4.9 per cent home price growth in July".. to think 5% per year was obscene.. now 5% per month!
BingoBoingo: cazalla shinohai: What version of Bitcoin are you getting these errors with?
cazalla: 0.8.3
shinohai: BingoBoingo: v0.11.0 the latest. I have built twice, even tried the precompiled shit.
BingoBoingo: Maybe it is time for you two to roll back to a more civilized Bitcoin.
cazalla: but even trying 0.11.0, it can't even go from fresh install to latest block, tried twice, shit itself each time and rewind x amount of blocks and chewed more bandwidth before dying again
shinohai: I still have 0.5.4 running, nw
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i tried that weekend before last but unable to get up it up and running yet
assbot: BTC-to-Ripple Gateway to Shut Down for all US Customers ... ( http://bit.ly/1OKenQz )
BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00054631 = 19.8311 BTC [+] {4}
HeySteve: thanks, nice article on the UK porn
HeySteve: Cameron is over 30 years late on the Big Brother thing but making up for lost time it seems
BingoBoingo: Thanks
BingoBoingo: To be fair though the UK got to practice for much of the 20th century on th eoccupied corner of Ireland
HeySteve: apparently Windows 10 is a real security nightmare, it logs everything
HeySteve: asked MS if they recommend it for Bitcoin use
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00052681 = 29.8174 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Well MS is probably going the Google/Android route. Less revenue from selling to users and more from selling the users.
HeySteve: heh yeah
shinohai: Honestly, if you run bitcoin on Windows you deserve to be stolen from.
assbot: BADBADNOTGOOD & Ghostface Killah - Sour Soul - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OKgLXv )
BingoBoingo: !up Tykling
BingoBoingo: !up Tyklol
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assbot: PagerDuty hacked ... and finally comes clean 21 days later. Cheers • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1SABh3b )
chetty: hacking is really a sort of sport isn't it?
punkman: some hunt for sport, some to eat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.0005477 = 6.4355 BTC [+]
shinohai: hacking *is* one of life's ultimate sports.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0564N6H.txt )
shinohai: I give up, 0.11.0 is garbage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00052163 = 26.9683 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: That's the spirit
shinohai: Won't even sync to my own private chain, that being the only connection.
BingoBoingo: Any idea where it fails out?
shinohai: nope, ig ot so pissed when i woke up this morning i rm 0rf'd everything and started over
shinohai: Super nested functions, ftw: https://i.imgur.com/dIUV7UM.png
BingoBoingo: Where is that mess?
shinohai: i dunno, something i saw browsing imgur
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shinohai: So Poloniex is no longer going to allow NY customers
BingoBoingo: I thought maybe you'd spotted that mess in "Core"
shinohai: It wouldn't surprise me if something like that *wasn't* there. Core is just far too cumbersome to be useful anymore :/
shinohai: Someone needs to hack these things, and start a worldwide auto theft ring. https://i.imgur.com/TdxJqYE.webm
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shinohai: ;;later tell trinque am i doing something wrong, or is deedbot down?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot-: imported: FDF63798C83A7B1375F72468E33585713E184252
shinohai: well now
trinque: wut
trinque: looks like it ate your key just fine
shinohai: Sorry, I just discovered deedbot doesnt like pms
trinque: ah, yes, use it here please
trinque: nice to have in the logs
jurov: shinohai that would work only for such flat surfaces. like, not 99% of streets
shinohai: I'm sittin nearby with a getaway rollback xD
jurov: also, got a stray thought, we'll certainly soon see RT airing how american drones abduct toddlers
BingoBoingo: Prolly.
jurov: if they haven't already
jurov: maybe they prefer the drones to teach them masturbate, dunno
BingoBoingo: Well it's cheaper than sending Angelina Jolie out to abduct children
BingoBoingo: And more humane than the way the UK dispatches Gary Glitter to adbuct toddlers
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assbot: encrypted-bigquery-client/tutorial.md at master · google/encrypted-bigquery-client · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGB4F1 )
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jurov: !up rdymac
jurov: !up julmac
BingoBoingo: !up kyuupichan
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00053106 = 5.3637 BTC [-]
rdymac: Any Rails dev here?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 09:02:58; cazalla: anyone know what is going on here? http://dpaste.com/2HMWH8Z.txt i get stuck at block 367896, tried copying over to another pc and same deal, hits block 367896 and shits itself and spews please update messages (which i even tried over the weekend for shits and giggles with their 0.11 bitcoin core client but it crashes with core dumps or some shit, can't even go from genesis to current block on a fresh insta
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223046 << if 'nsakey' didn't make folks quit Running Moar Winblowz, why would the win10 keylogger ?
shinohai: to double spend with ?
assbot: My Life Unmasking British Eavesdroppers ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHyZcD )
asciilifeform: mod6 et al: all 3 of my nodez are synced presently
shinohai: asciilifeform: do those nodes all have separate ip's ?
kakobrekla: In primitive times it is perhaps expedient that rational knowledge should
kakobrekla: be united with religion. It is only by means of superstition that a rude
kakobrekla: people can be induced to support, and a robber soldiery to respect, an
kakobrekla: intellectual class. < how is this not the bezzle
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc kako posted links somewhere
shinohai searches logs
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 14:52:27; kakobrekla: ok, so theres now node1.b-a.link node2.b-a.link and node3.b-a.link
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 14:58:22; kakobrekla: dulap.b-a.link, incitatus.b-a.link, zoolag.b-a.link is set
asciilifeform: shinohai: please remember that therealbitcoin does not dns
asciilifeform: ping'em
shinohai: got 'em, and yeah i have only been syncing against mp's node
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assbot: Electronic Warfare: What US Army Can Learn From Ukraine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlA9Ew )
BingoBoingo: At the moment my getinfo looks like http://dpaste.com/1FN5D94
assbot: dpaste: 1FN5D94 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlDJyv )
shinohai: I just started syncing this one. Gonna take a minute :/
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 et al: all 3 of my nodez are synced presently << good to know, thx for the update
BingoBoingo: !up mike_c
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shinohai: BingoBoingo: what's ur .conf look like
BingoBoingo: boring
BingoBoingo: addnode, addnode, minrelaytxfee=100000, etc
BingoBoingo: 100000 because the way I implemented the flag it is set in satoshis
kakobrekla: as it should be
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P7T9AY.txt )
assbot: The Unemployable Programmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlJ1df )
punkman: "I'm also on fiverr.com now, a site where you can offer any service for $5 a pop. I offer things like mini websites, setting up cloud servers, and many other tech jobs. The reality is my expertise is barely even worth $5 in today's market, so I frequently take on multi-hour horror projects on fiverr just to make four bucks (they take $1 commission)"
jcpham: woohoo
jurov: hi cpham
jcpham: howdy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39078 @ 0.00052664 = 20.58 BTC [+] {5}
jcpham: so assbot is a full blown pita fork now
jcpham: that's ok I just scripted it
jurov imagines kakobrekla basking in rays of jcpham's warm approval
jcpham: that's cute; i'm actually dumb don't mind me
assbot: Florida Cops Shoot and Kill Deaf Man For ‘Talking Too Loud’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlOUHA )
jcpham: thanks obama
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00053072 = 8.0935 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: what has obama to do with it?
jcpham: when it's hot outside, you say "thanks obama"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72814 @ 0.00053072 = 38.6438 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: lol, you can also call 201x children "obama's children"
jurov: as was the lulzcustom here... i am "husak's child" after czechoslovak president
jurov: actually he earned it, due to support for parents unmatched before or after
jurov: so there was kinda baby boom
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79547 @ 0.00052084 = 41.4313 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: brianddk comments on Is Blizzard ever going to accept bitcoin as a payment option for their games? : starcraft ... ( http://bit.ly/1KMkSkX )
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 01:34:07; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-sunday-event/#selection-193.21-193.36 << got the sexpr ? hm ? HM ?
assbot: The 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 Sunday event on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MI7y4g )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00053245 = 7.9868 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'As a final station, I'd like to describe what online freelancer markets look like for people like me. On freelancer.com and oDesk, you compete with hundreds of lowest-wage programmers from third world countries for exceedingly crappy "projects". It's an unmitigated race to the bottom. Even if I could land these jobs in an environment where the competition basically works for free, there is no way to make a living off
ascii_field: this.'
ascii_field: ^ somebody buy this man a small airplane.
kakobrekla: hed prolly make more in #b-a
jurov: i was there. if you make a good job, after some months someone will adopt you and pay better
ascii_field: kakobrekla: our zeroes are bigger than usg's!
ascii_field: so in that sense, moar, aha
jurov: funny i can't remember programmer being paid here?
jurov: i will be paid *if* i someday make sense of eulora spaghetti client
kakobrekla: didnt thet dude who made some charts noone is using get paid?
ascii_field: 'soviet elephants are the biggest elephantz!'
jurov: i won't dare to compute hourly rate from that, tho
kakobrekla: more than 4$
danielpbarron: diana_coman got paid to write a crafter bot for eulora
kakobrekla: anyway, there was some other dude collecting cv for bezzleworks here also ?
ascii_field: kakobrekla: iirc nothing came of it
ascii_field: danielpbarron: we're talking about money-one-could-live-on
danielpbarron: the slithy toves she got as payment will let us continue doing stuff in eulora for at least the next few months
jurov: and pay out debts
ascii_field: and run electron microscope
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223221 < iirc benkay refused a job the other day?
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:01:57; ascii_field: kakobrekla: iirc nothing came of it
kakobrekla: anyway, yeah our zeros are bigger than their zeros.
kakobrekla: and taste better.
ascii_field: bigger, faster, stronger (tm) (r)
kakobrekla: i think you forgot 'scooter'.
kakobrekla: anyway, airplane wont help the man.
ascii_field: !s joe stack
assbot: 19 results for 'joe stack' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=joe+stack
ascii_field: airplane - helps.
kakobrekla: ah that airplane.
ascii_field: yes, it and only it.
kakobrekla: yeah i get it, was thinking of the other one.
ascii_field: and yes, i fully expect mircea_popescu to proclaim that mr. unemployableprogrammer is office plankton and ought to be boiled for soap
ascii_field: and i can't be certain that he is wrong in the particular case
ascii_field: but will note that i also expect to be boiled for soap.
chetty: well the mr. unemployableprogrammer would be better off flippin burgers
danielpbarron: or gathering flotsam for me
gernika: Some taleb talk posted here applies to this fellow - the applicable bit being that his main mistake was holding the same job for years - fragile strategy.
trinque: if you don't have the relationships to find interesting work, what do you expect?
gernika: Playing the craigslist lottery around here can sometimes result in surprising connections.
trinque: yeah, I've found plenty of fine work that way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00053758 = 6.0747 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_field: chetty: once he goes to the burgers (not a trivial feat as it may seem, you have to convincingly fake a 'blue-collar' background) - may as well eat pistol
gernika: Perhaps this place is mortally ill, but some aspects of the disease are more interesting to treat than others.
trinque: ascii_field: what is a php job but burger flipping?
trinque: take trival db query, fart results into html, repeat til death
ascii_field: trinque: have you done both ?
trinque: never the burger flipping
ascii_field: trinque: go, try. then report re: the difference.
trinque: lol
gernika: Realized at one point I would never even be able to work for a place such as Whole Foods - even if I wanted to.
ascii_field: gernika: for the record, i once tried to get 'blue collar' work, and failed. turned away, 'overqualified, you'll leave as soon as you can'
ascii_field: to avoid this, one has to be a first-class actor
ascii_field: and if you are this kind of actor, can get lucrative gig in hollywood or cia
ascii_field: otherwise, go, tell the truth about your biography, and starve.
jurov: trinque i took an update of ancient j2ee app and clandestinely learned git, while on it. try such when flipping burgers.
trinque: ascii_field: I don't expect for a moment that you could possibly fake "stupid"
ascii_field: trinque: the acting is mostly so you can fake 'was always stupid'
trinque: jurov: yeah that's a good point
ascii_field: need convincing life history
gernika: ascii_field I would probably need tribal piercings at a minimum to get a job at Whole Foods. Much like inmates in prison indicate their dedication to their trade with facial tattoos.
jurov: lol such fantasies
trinque: jurov: but again, if you don't have friends doing anything interesting, doesn't matter how good you are at dwarf fortress
jurov: trinque what do you mean?
trinque: I loathe most people, yet being a competent coder without being able to communicate is impossible.
jurov: i have learned the interesting stuff by myself, not fro friends
trinque: ah I had mentors
trinque: the unemployable thing strikes me as being socially dysfunctional
jurov: maybe. i remembered one friend of mine who has similar difficulties
punkman: trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor
jurov: and he got ccna cert, then found out there's not many ciscoes out there
jurov: i asked him to write eu project, he won't without micromanaging
jurov: i asked him to learn python, not heard since
chetty: ascii_field> trinque: go, try. then report re: the difference.// no substanstial difference, truck driving or lawn mowing are both improvements
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: chetty: no.
ascii_field: chetty: 1) they aren't indoors, air conditioned, WITHOUT TALKING TO FUCKING PEOPLE
ascii_field: 2) once you do these, pretty much condemned for life.
ascii_field: though the truck has merits
ascii_field: not much talkin'.
ascii_field: i personally will try to drive a truck
chetty: well now you are getting down to a matter of taste, I kinda liked truckin
ascii_field: everyone likes trucking
ascii_field: so i'll have to get in a long queue
mike_c: hehe, step one for the installation of this product i want to try: curl -L https://redacted.sh | sudo bash
mike_c: um, no?
punkman: that's pretty much everywhere these days
jurov: sudo curl > /dev/hda is better
mike_c: really? i guess i'm getting too old for this stuff.
kakobrekla: nah, you are just unemployable.
jurov: !bash 2
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trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
trinque: jurov: yeah, I have met the same type. he should've asked you for a task, and done it. only way to learn.
mike_c: one of the things it does is run apt-get update &> /dev/null
mike_c: i mean, fuck you! maybe i don't want to update everything
jurov: care to share?
assbot: Mode - The Collaborative Analytics Platform for Data Analysts ... ( http://bit.ly/1DlbFAA )
ben_vulpes: this is the industry standard approach to the by-now-all-too-familiar-#b-a-bitcoin-dependency-problem
ben_vulpes: s/problem/fun/
ben_vulpes: "just clobber the lusers computer"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9735 @ 0.00051951 = 5.0574 BTC [-]
trinque: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/08/03/us/ap-us-texas-attorney-general-investigation-the-latest.html?_r=0 << perhaps he's a fraudster, perhaps not. yet the other angle here might be that the Texas AG tends to spend quite a bit of time suing the federal government.
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MIjcfv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7588 @ 0.00051951 = 3.942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49251 @ 0.00053422 = 26.3109 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2849 @ 0.00054339 = 1.5481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00054408 = 10.6912 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up Xplosionist
Xplosionist: ty hello all.
kakobrekla: bomb squad?
Xplosionist: no, just a very old name w/ a very strange source. not meaningful in itself.
kakobrekla: ah, I thought we should run.
Xplosionist: maybe, but not for that reason...
Xplosionist: i have a bitbet.us technical question.
diametric: hi Xplosionist
Xplosionist: after a bet is resolved, is there a place I can see the transactions for the payouts?
Xplosionist: I see the links for the addresses, but I'd like to see the specific transaction of the pay-out listed.
diametric: isn't it in the bet itself?
kakobrekla: you can get the tx from that link?
Xplosionist: nope, those all seem to be address based.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
kakobrekla: there is a link on b-c.info
kakobrekla: that will take you to 'whole tx' view
ascii_field: Xplosionist: use your favourite blockchain viewer to go from addr to tx
kakobrekla: if you plan on automating it, there were cases where more than 1tx was needed to pay out all the winners
Xplosionist: Yeah, the transactions don't show up in the address transaction list. for a recently resolved bet, it may just be that the listed value hasn't actually been paid out yet?
kakobrekla: Xplosionist yea, we added 2 days delay after resolution
assbot: Changing the BitBet resolution process. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnGAMr )
Xplosionist: Ahh. Okay then. Of course, what's I'm looking at is resolved 1 day 22 hours ago. lol Figured.
Xplosionist: Thanks for that pointer and answer, then. That'd be it.
kakobrekla: i should make it clear on site prolly.
Xplosionist: I did look in the FAQ. Maybe put it there.
kakobrekla: is should be
assbot: FAQ BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1g1zdiQ )
kakobrekla: middle paragraph
Xplosionist: Ahh. Okay. Clearly I didn't read it carefully enough. Although, I would suggest that making that detail more obvious might be of value.
kakobrekla: in the queue
Xplosionist: thanks again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00054225 = 20.4699 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: who was being DDoS'd recently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.0005428 = 18.2924 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: fluffypony mp is a safe bet
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: kakobrekla: speaking of, old lulz, http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/1144/phuctor-will-find-a-bad-key << 'ROI 5345%'
assbot: Bet 1144 Analysis - Phuctor will find a bad key - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1gF6pxq )
ascii_field: anyone beat this record ?
kakobrekla: hm, doubtful.
diametric: !up Xplosionist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10240 @ 0.00054295 = 5.5598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36724 @ 0.00053102 = 19.5012 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00052257 = 3.6319 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88050 @ 0.0005444 = 47.9344 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00051943 = 12.2845 BTC [-]
shinohai: !up a3voices
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00054702 = 12.9917 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00054864 = 19.8882 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6921 @ 0.00052962 = 3.6655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00054923 = 3.4052 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 283.79, vol: 6269.48485948 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 280.543, vol: 5377.32137 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 284.17, vol: 14828.77705664 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 279.26, vol: 0.49418072 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 281.94642, vol: 10403.61250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 283.87017, vol: 18.34282738 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 288.556784989, vol: 39.34371957 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 282.955659636
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00052733 = 14.5016 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9019 @ 0.00053415 = 4.8175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15642 @ 0.00051944 = 8.1251 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00051943 = 23.1925 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00053415 = 12.2587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30252 @ 0.00054122 = 16.373 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59960 @ 0.00053203 = 31.9005 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10206 @ 0.00054777 = 5.5905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00054879 = 18.9333 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00054164 = 4.0623 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 02:08:02; asciilifeform: what layer.
shinohai: wb mircea_popescu, when you have time I need a eulora pass
mircea_popescu: alrighjty, one second
assbot: dpaste: 0R58Y1F ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5OSbH )
mircea_popescu: ima be in the game in half hour give you some noob items to get started.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00053745 = 6.2344 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: sweet thx
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222990 << dawg what are you talkin about ?! THAT is the reason.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 08:39:38; jurov: only so that their balance sheet look right
mircea_popescu: it is the only conceivable reason and absolutely utterly sufficient.
mircea_popescu: if the natl bank balance sheet doesn't look right, everyone can go bite a steel girder.
mircea_popescu: and chew on it, happily, until such a time the balance sheet looks right.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << the scam bitcoin the power rangers are pushing is known-broken, in that it can't actually verify the bitcoin blockchain.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 09:02:58; cazalla: anyone know what is going on here? http://dpaste.com/2HMWH8Z.txt i get stuck at block 367896, tried copying over to another pc and same deal, hits block 367896 and shits itself and spews please update messages (which i even tried over the weekend for shits and giggles with their 0.11 bitcoin core client but it crashes with core dumps or some shit, can't even go from genesis to current block on a fresh insta
mircea_popescu: why exactly your thing is stuck is unclear. you can either build stator and use the same blk stuff, which will work ; or else wipe them and start over from one of the foundation nodes, which will also work.
mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.
mircea_popescu: "In November, thieves stole $1 billion from Moldova’s three biggest banks through a series of fraudulent loans and transfers. Moldova, sandwiched between Romania and Ukraine, is the poorest country in Europe; the theft amounted to more than an eighth of GDP. It has set in train a series of events that will leave the government unable to pay salaries by the end of the summer, according to the recently departed finance
mircea_popescu: minister."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: "thieves". the moldovan equivalents of the ukrainian oligarchs just ran off with the loot.
mircea_popescu: rather than risk it.
shinohai: Hmmm. i think I have incorrect video drivers, but pass works, thanks
mircea_popescu: what'sthe symptoms ?
shinohai: ./eu.sh: line 3: 12524 Segmentation fault ./euclient
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 09:53:03; BingoBoingo: Well MS is probably going the Google/Android route. Less revenue from selling to users and more from selling the users.
mircea_popescu: shinohai ah, just try again
mircea_popescu: the client's pretty shitty, it has at least two race conditions in it that yield that .
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223061 << i kinda have grown to like the self-absorbed srs this type of schmucks radiate every time they get fucked.
mircea_popescu: "oh we r rly srs security bidniss".
mircea_popescu: reminds me of "Bitcoin Security Group" lolz.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:06:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything
williamdunne would be interested in seeing Eurola corporations, with EEX to go with it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223129 << that didn't really happen and also some researchers published their research about it first but it wasn't published nor was it correct etc.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:09:25; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223046 << if 'nsakey' didn't make folks quit Running Moar Winblowz, why would the win10 keylogger ?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne prolly gonna happen
williamdunne: At what point does it stop being considered a game for legal reasons?
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:15:41; kakobrekla: intellectual class. < how is this not the bezzle
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i eat the world, the world doesn't eat me.
mircea_popescu: "legal reasons" stop being considered anything but a game.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223149 << for the record, mp's node found a new suspicious block at 365009, will be sitting there a bit.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:19:14; shinohai: got 'em, and yeah i have only been syncing against mp's node
williamdunne: Wasn't insinuating that legal issues would ever be an issue for Eurola. It's more that it'd be interesting to see how a regulatory body would handle an in-game stock exchange that trades companies that perform actual economic activity
mircea_popescu: more interesting is how the in-game world would handle the "regulatory body", imo
mircea_popescu: i really don't give a shit for the other side of the coin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7781 @ 0.00053328 = 4.1495 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223175 << and he's among the better ones. a dollar a day is really above the work value of most people.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 15:18:53; punkman: "I'm also on fiverr.com now, a site where you can offer any service for $5 a pop. I offer things like mini websites, setting up cloud servers, and many other tech jobs. The reality is my expertise is barely even worth $5 in today's market, so I frequently take on multi-hour horror projects on fiverr just to make four bucks (they take $1 commission)"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223188 << he's the us putin. his fault when any public employee fucks up anything.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:01:15; jurov: what has obama to do with it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00054806 = 3.261 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223204 << this is not actually true. i have had slavegirls make a living off those things, as a learning exercise. disciplined work ethic earns a very decent living, and forever will. the problem is that for most white adolescents/young adults, that work ethic has to be supported with daily beatings for the first quarter at least.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:18; ascii_field: 'As a final station, I'd like to describe what online freelancer markets look like for people like me. On freelancer.com and oDesk, you compete with hundreds of lowest-wage programmers from third world countries for exceedingly crappy "projects". It's an unmitigated race to the bottom. Even if I could land these jobs in an environment where the competition basically works for free, there is no way to ma
mircea_popescu: he's just being a passive-agressive, self-entitled, delusional western schmuck.
mircea_popescu: let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.
mircea_popescu: then he gets the question again, see if the answer's changed any.
mircea_popescu: and no, i wouldn't buy him the sandpaper to grind down his glans penis with.
mircea_popescu: let him fucking beg for it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223213 << iirc you got a bitcoin for running the windows compiler, and didn't even get pushed to do the os/x or die. my memory betrayin' me or something ?
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:00:46; jurov: i will be paid *if* i someday make sense of eulora spaghetti client
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223440 << stuff in Eulora *is* actual economic activity
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:42:57; williamdunne: Wasn't insinuating that legal issues would ever be an issue for Eurola. It's more that it'd be interesting to see how a regulatory body would handle an in-game stock exchange that trades companies that perform actual economic activity
williamdunne: danielpbarron: m'point
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00051944 = 6.7008 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00051944 = 7.3241 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: CoinTelegraph.com is shutting down, cutting all non-writer salary to zero.... : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SENu6Y )
danielpbarron: lol i met one of their authors
danielpbarron: at porcfest
danielpbarron: told her she should write for qntra instead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00054805 = 6.7958 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: And her reaction?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well... hm.
mircea_popescu: they were paying salaries ?!
mircea_popescu: July’s advertising revenue was 3,700 USD, therefore the budget allocated for content for August will be 3,700 USD.
mircea_popescu: bnwbahahahaa wut
assbot: OS X Flaw in the Wild Abuses Error Logging Function to Edit sudoers | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SET9Kh )
mircea_popescu: isthis from something-ads paying 0.01 btc sort-of ?
BingoBoingo: It's probably fiat from fiat scammers wanting "exposure" at any price
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, she was polite but not enthusiastic about the proposal
BingoBoingo: Eh, her loss
mircea_popescu: "In spit of these events, we hope that CT will be able to continue pursuing its strategic of increasing it’s market share and become the one-stop news source for the crypto-community. We wish you to remain strong in spirit and for a quick market recovery." << i suppose the tie-in is something like "small blocks made our shit blog ad revenue shrink in an imaginary market that doesn't exist but we hallucinated into bei
mircea_popescu: ng anyweay"
mircea_popescu: it'd be great if they pursued their "strategic" of learning how to sp'eal i'ts wordses an sheit
BingoBoingo: !up scthoopbot
decimation: lol 3700 usd budget
decimation: do they have more than one employee?
decimation: 'we r poor folks about bitcoin!'
decimation: imagine actual people in Victorian Britain asking the assistant scullery maid what she thought about finance
williamdunne: thanks boingo, dw though doesn't need voice for now. Just the beginning stages
BingoBoingo: Ah, cool
assbot: The Rising Age Gap in Economic Well-Being | Pew Research Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1SEW5qb )
decimation: "In 2009, households headed by adults ages 65 and older possessed 42% more median1 net worth (assets minus debt) than households headed by their same-aged counterparts had in 1984. During this same period, the wealth of households headed by younger adults moved in the opposite direction. In 2009, households headed by adults younger than 35 had 68% less wealth than households of their same-aged counterparts had in 1984."
decimation: you know, people say that bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, but really USD is the world's largest ponzi scheme - and keeps growing
mircea_popescu: schtooopbot hahaha
mircea_popescu: so i hear it from a trustworthy source in sweden that the local libertards have come up woith this idea to replace whatever word is used for cunt with "snipa" which apparently means sparkle
mircea_popescu: there's the usual assortment of imbeciles trumpeting their incredible success whatever, uninteresting.
decimation: because 'cunt' offends womyn?
mircea_popescu: what IS interesting is that apparently the legendary snipe was found
mircea_popescu: in sweden.
mircea_popescu: decimation probably it's like rape or who knows. causes global warmyng.
decimation: actually it's because the womyn in question don't have cunts
mircea_popescu: sexperience begs to differ.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223244 << incidentally, this probably pays better than odesk.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:12:42; danielpbarron: or gathering flotsam for me
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223264 << there is a thread in the logs consisting of me essentially saying that if you can't fake stupiud you're not smart.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:24:58; trinque: ascii_field: I don't expect for a moment that you could possibly fake "stupid"
mircea_popescu: decimation that quote says to me "kids of today r tarded"
mircea_popescu: unsurprising data is unsurprising. they are.
decimation: yeah, kinda. it goes to your point earlier with ascii - doing financial analysis the main business of the us is printing usd
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223269 << no, there's some substance to their wails. you're thinking the very open and socially mobile eastern europe. they live in the solidified shitbrains puritan us
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:25:48; jurov: lol such fantasies
mircea_popescu: decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.
mircea_popescu: (they aren't, they're just much better at not giving away their value for them)
decimation: true, but they also get direct payments through taxes, and indirect payments through money printing pumping up real estate assets
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223277 << this is a major problem. for argentines too. they can't get anywhere because all the people they know are just as fucktarded as them.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:28:45; punkman: trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor
mircea_popescu: increasingly, becoming a problem i nthe us, too.
mircea_popescu: decimation and medical bills.
BingoBoingo: It is beyond a problem here
mircea_popescu: young people can fuck, don't need to eat and don't get sick.
mircea_popescu: hard to overcome these structurally.
decimation: yeah, but old folks can ensure they get their pound of flesh
mircea_popescu: decimation consider the problem properly. remember me unkindly observing about kim kardashian that http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#selection-85.0-89.63 ?
assbot: Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SF1uNW )
mircea_popescu: explain this to me. how is it possible that 99 out of 100 richeest households in the us aren'ty headed by a 35 yo female, ex whore ?
decimation: your selection thing doesn't work on my browser
mircea_popescu: obviously, 1% richest would be the strato-rich, sure, ok.
mircea_popescu: but the remainder, ALL the upper middle class, should be kims.
mircea_popescu: the only ones with something still to sell.
mircea_popescu: why aren't they ? why some pruny old dude ?
asciilifeform: if there were even 100x as many 'kims', the product they sell would be worth $0. like the poor programmer
mircea_popescu: You may think that point-whatever billion is hardly worth the mention, after all I'm white and male and go with the tech stuffs, rather than almost-not-black and female, going with the cocksucking-and-other-homemaking-stuff. You know, cheap textile "labels", perfumes, the Martha Stewart lot. Like this chick :
mircea_popescu: So it's all right and pooper that I'd be dealing in the tens of billions while her net worth is in the tens of millions, roughly enough to buy a whole closet where she lives. Right ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.
mircea_popescu: a brothel does not lower the per-capita value of the individual whores.
asciilifeform: even now, who the fuck ~pays~ to see naked gurlz
mircea_popescu: but ehances it.
mircea_popescu: that's not what this is.
mircea_popescu: i said "Something to sell", i didn't say nudity. that's free.
asciilifeform: then what ?
mircea_popescu: you being seen with them.
mircea_popescu: social proof.
asciilifeform: why would i pay for that
asciilifeform: or are they all to move to egypt
mircea_popescu: because you understand how things work.
decimation: plenty of 'homemakers' are poor in the us
mircea_popescu: decimation not the question. the question is why is anyone else on the "just about rich" lists outside of these women.
mircea_popescu: why are atheltes poor if the stench of cunt bothers you, same argument.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223453 << who, precisely, will pay to see ~this~? mircea_popescu ?
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:49:35; mircea_popescu: let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc i have, sort-of.
asciilifeform: now, not swinging that way, i cannot say for certain how saturated the gay pr0n market is, but will observe that they lack the sexual starvation of the straight
asciilifeform: so my naive guess would be that it is an even tougher sell
asciilifeform: in terms of 'make a living'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223293 << the exact sort of thing that prompted my earlier "everyone is retarded" stuff.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:32:52; mike_c: um, no?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you've reconstructed the discussion into a strawman and are getting the results you expected from it.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
asciilifeform: no, elementary question. are there enough gay pr0nd0ll4rz to feed all the mr.unemployableprogrammerz riding their sandpaper dildos
asciilifeform: and, unlike the gurlz, these folks don't add to anyone's 'social level' by being seen with them (perhaps in rome ? but today?)
decimation: well, there's also the social status of being the old jew who owns reddit
asciilifeform: decimation: he doesn't have to feed the birds
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: 'zoolag' is down and will remain down for several hours. this is a planned outage.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223513 << umm, yes, they are. they are the folks who own (when they do) real estate, which is nearly the only thing which came close to keeping up with true inflation; they are also the folks who own stocks; etc
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 02:08:03; mircea_popescu: decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.
asciilifeform: people who were there for the tail end of american economy being something like functional
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00052357 = 3.22 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, that was my point..
decimation: this is why I find the baby boomer whining about old people medical care and old people direct payments
asciilifeform: decimation: the whining, by and large, is coming from the ones who owe $maxint to the medical charlatans and are unhappy that it is coming out of 'their' bezzle rather than the treasury
decimation: "keep mailing us your taxes, your missing bank interest, and your real estate equity. Someone will totally mail you theirs when we are dead!"
decimation: !up Michail1
decimation: asciilifeform: not that they had children who were raised to be +ev so they could afford to whipe dad's ass when he's old"
asciilifeform: decimation: what the hell does it even mean to be +ev in modern usa?
asciilifeform: it is approximately the same as asking who is +ev in prison
decimation: be on the receiving end of the above payments
asciilifeform: yes, a handful of thugs end up with the lion's share
decimation: which means you need to have a house bought before 1980 and be older than 65
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah except if you read my initial link, old people have 47x more wealth than <35
decimation: it's not mysterious who this '1%' are
decimation: I suppose my hypothesis is that if assets were demoninated in actual hard currency they wouldn't be able to run this kind of ponzi
asciilifeform: see where the 47x figure will go if you discount houses.
asciilifeform: (or if anything like most of'em tried to cash in)
decimation: yeah home equity is most of it
decimation: but home equity comes from bank debt, which comes from the combination of how much maturity transformation is allowed and how much money the fed prints..
asciilifeform: real estate 'wealth' is the ultimate bezzle, nothing like 400,000 time the N of houses in $sector is even available as 'turkey-buying dollars'
asciilifeform: let's work a gedankenexperiment:
asciilifeform: say my neighbour, 86-year-old mr schmuckson, sells his house
asciilifeform: he now has 400k
asciilifeform: what can he do with it?
decimation: well, to go to mircea's point, he can't buy 30 year old health
asciilifeform: he can... die? then the 400k becomes 0, it pays off mr schmuckson jr.'s college loans
asciilifeform: and car loans
asciilifeform: say he isn't ready to die yet
asciilifeform: he can buy... stocks ?
asciilifeform: same result
decimation: let's be more reasonable and say he's 65
asciilifeform: what he is actually going to buy, in likelihood, is a few years of nursing home.
decimation: he could buy yacht
asciilifeform: (automagically costs $networth in most states)
decimation: yes that's likely
asciilifeform: poof. bezzle - gone.
asciilifeform: it went to the same place the electric current in the neutral phase of your mains socket goes.
asciilifeform: a minus sign.
decimation: asciilifeform: I made this point awhile ago about 'roth' ira accounts
asciilifeform: it 'returns to dust' because 'from dust it came'
asciilifeform: as it must.
decimation: they are better in the sense that usg promises not to charge further tax
asciilifeform: picture if the whole idiocy asylum of mr. schmucksons tried to cash in their 400k each and buy turkeys
asciilifeform: or even rockets for isis
decimation: you can even give to schmuckson jr - but as soon as he gets his hands on it the clock starts
decimation: minimum distributions must be made
asciilifeform: it'll go straight to his creditors
asciilifeform: what's left, will buy him a house
asciilifeform: to play the cycle again
gernika: Not much of it would make it to schmuckson jr after gift tax
decimation: no my point is that usg demands jr drains the account
decimation: why put that provision in the law at all?
asciilifeform: decimation: so the current can return to the earth
decimation: unless you were intentionally ensuring that 'schmucksons' couldn't become wealthy enough to tell usg to fuck off...
decimation: but to connect with your point, clearly as long as you are wholly owned by usg, doing business in its monopoly money, don't be surprised when 'it giveth and taketh away'
decimation: if nursing home, doctor, real estate - had to be paid for in gold that couldn't be magicked into existance, the prices would change rapidly...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223506 << i've said it before, will say again: if you can fake your way out of 'overqualified, go away' when applying to be a cook or street sweeper, you can and will work profitably in hollywood or cia
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 02:05:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223264 << there is a thread in the logs consisting of me essentially saying that if you can't fake stupiud you're not smart.
decimation: plus you would need fake 'blue collar' credentials
asciilifeform: let's say i pretend my diploma never happened, and my whole adult life of working r&d never happened
asciilifeform: what do i pretend instead ?
decimation: didn't last psychiatrist have a post about what is needed to 'prove' you are 'poor'? like no job, ever?
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asciilifeform: ^ that was for 'disability pension' from usg
decimation: asciilifeform: since you already have a record of paying taxes you can't fake disability
asciilifeform: but i was speaking of more mundane situation
asciilifeform: where you walk in to a 'cooks wanted', 'i need a job', they: 'you will leave as soon as you find work programming again, go away now'
asciilifeform: meanwhile behind you is a queue of fifty actual cooks
decimation: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-12/getting-job-mcdonalds-harder-getting-accepted-ivy-league "In 2011, McDonald's announced it would hire 50,000 new employees on April 19 for its National Hiring Day. They eventually hired 62,000 people. Over 1 million people applied. This is noteworthy because many commentators have accused the unemployed of being lazy and unwilling to work."
asciilifeform: aha, this.
asciilifeform: how many of the 62k had computer science degrees ?
asciilifeform: and of the 1m ?
asciilifeform: ~i~ wouldn't hire'em if i were them, either.
asciilifeform: ethnic helots only plz!
decimation: yeah exactly
asciilifeform: folks who won't hate you for paying them starvation wage, who won't pack up at dawn at the first sign of 'real' work
decimation: they will apply and qualify for the appropriate gov't subsidies too
asciilifeform: no expectation of paid time off, or health insurances
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/28/wal-mart-has-a-lower-acceptance-rate-than-harvard/ "Last year when Wal-Mart came to D.C. there were over 23,000 applications for 600 jobs. That's an acceptance rate of 2.6%, twice as selective as Harvard's and over five times as choosy as Cornell."
assbot: Wal-Mart has a lower acceptance rate than Harvard - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIGfV0 )
asciilifeform: this is probably why mircea_popescu suggested that they ought to compete for who can most creatively mutilate his cock on camera, rather than apply to 'walmart'
decimation: asciilifeform: the raw fact is that around 60-70% of the us 18-65 population is only capable of 'unskilled' labor of this type at best
asciilifeform: at best.
asciilifeform: but the article linked earlier was about something else
asciilifeform: craftsmen (programmer) for whom there is no economy to work in
asciilifeform: it is very easy to dismiss mr.unemployable as 'plankton' without knowing anything about him
asciilifeform: but the problem is not limited to plankton
asciilifeform: just as it was not the worst, by any reasonable measure, soviet physicists, who ended up driving cabs or drinking to death
decimation: especially if he doesn't want to keep to a 'push shit out the door we'll fix it later' schedule
asciilifeform: yes, mircea_popescu will probably say that a microscope that is not also a hammer is a worthless thing and ought never to have been considered a microscope
asciilifeform: all i can say to this is - don't lend mircea_popescu yer microscopez
asciilifeform: (not that he needs'em for anything, but might not resist urge to discover if it was a true microscope in the sense of cracking a skull well)
decimation: asciilifeform: somewhat related, I was reading about system 360 earlier today
decimation: interestingly even though there were many thousands made, hardly any survive
asciilifeform: just same as 'cray'
asciilifeform: or for that matter, very few symbolics lisp machines survive in working order
asciilifeform: even though they were much more compact than a 360
asciilifeform: helps to recall that neither was a 'mass' item in the modern sense
asciilifeform: a few thou. sold
decimation: yeah there's a smbx 3600 keyboard on ebay for 1800
asciilifeform: wat?!!!
decimation: and a working 'macivory' for 6800
asciilifeform blows dust off smbx keyboardz
assbot: RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics 3600 Lisp Machine Keyboard | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIDp1 )
assbot: Vintage Computer Symbolics Lisp Machine Macivory III Apple Macintosh Quadra 950 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIEtd )
decimation: who knows what they are gonna get
asciilifeform: last i checked, david schmidt will sell these for ~200 or so
asciilifeform: perhaps he ran out
gernika: Following up on the "programmer lock-in" thread. Let's say you somehow saved up some capital and want to get out. What do you buy with the small amount of capital? Convencience store? Restaurant? Who will work there? Not your cousin from India - you're 3rd gen. American/Brittish/Whatever.
asciilifeform: incidentally, to my knowledge all published schematics for that keyboard are plagiarized from my reversed drawing: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png
decimation: gernika: that's kinda the point of the earlier converation. as long as you count your wealth in usd, you are owned by usg and are wealthy at their pleasure
gernika: decimation You're right I see the tie-in.
decimation: asciilifeform: but the point I was making with the s/360 is that apparently the one the FAA used for ARTCC was a 'triplex' computer with full voting!
asciilifeform: 'tandem' used to make a mini with triplexing
decimation: no wonder it took them 40 years to 'replace' it
assbot: IBM 360 display left ... ( http://bit.ly/1III3NR )
decimation: I would bet $20 that they aren't gonna use a 'triplex' computer to replace it
asciilifeform: no shit.
decimation: I actually visited a fully-operating s/360 working at an faa ARTCC as a youth
decimation: the most impressive thing was the wall of lead-acid batteries - meant to run the thing for 10 minutes while the generators kicked-on
asciilifeform: eh, that's still sop
asciilifeform: at any reasonable plant
decimation: I recall the working s/360 as being very ... large
decimation: took up about 10 racks if I recall
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decimation: asciilifeform: lulz: http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/05/eram-crash-sparked-by-insufficient-ram/ "The computer system made by Lockheed Martin interpreted the flight as a more typical low altitude operation, and began processing it for a route below 10,000 feet. The extensive number of routings that would have been required to deconflict the aircraft with lower altitude flights used a large amount of available ...
assbot: ERAM crash sparked by insufficient RAM | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIL5l8 )
decimation: ... memory and interrupted the computer’s other flight-processing functions."
decimation: "Reuters reports that a controller would have entered the usual altitude for a U-2 plane – about 60,000 feet – forcing the system to consider all altitudes between ground level and infinity and generating a conflict which caused the system to begin cycling through restarts."
asciilifeform: since when does u2 even file plans
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
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asciilifeform: oh and zoolag is back.
decimation: asciilifeform: actually it's a good point (the u2) - you see the results with that f16 vs cessna crash
decimation: us mil operates 'outside civilian system' on us soil to some degree
decimation: thus setting up the ironic situation where one side of usg wants to clamp down on 100 foot drone-flying while f16s blaze around where they please
decimation: and furthermore their brand new 'air traffic management' computer is vulnerable to resource starvation
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