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Hasimir: mircea_popescu, yeah, aus has mandatory enrolment for voting and fines if you don't show up to vote (or postal vote)
Hasimir: snap
mircea_popescu: lol poor bot
mircea_popescu: i gues next bot is gangbot
BingoBoingo: motorcycle gangbot?
Hasimir: oh, you didn't ...
mircea_popescu: o check me out, i have the day's first line in log. yay.
Hasimir: anyway, no doubt you can giggle at the content of the paste and at least the first submission is included for future reference
Hasimir: does anyone remember which LEA he was with?
mircea_popescu: http://sixdemonbag.org/yomu.html << the sad story about how some schmuck got scammed by the schmuck he was doing drm for.
trinque: Hasimir: try that again
mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind.
trinque: Hasimir: weird, your last one went in
Hasimir: go figure
Hasimir: maybe it just hates me
trinque: nope, encoding blowup
Hasimir: it doesn't like utf-8?
Hasimir: or something else?
cazalla: Hasimir, is the enrollment actually mandatory? i know of people that never enrolled so they never actually had to vote or become religious on the day of it
trinque: Hasimir: python needs its tits kicked in regards to eating a u2026
Vexual: ;;ud tits kicked in
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scorp+Tits | "We were all having a good time at the lake until ole fatass Tungette's Scorp Tits kicked in again. Damn I thought Jeff was gonna try and find a blowtorch to burn ...
Hasimir: trinque, python 3 ftw!
trinque: eh, incrementally better
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?
Hasimir: cazalla, it's supposed to be, but if you avoid it then there's nothing they can do
Hasimir: trinque, it does handle utf-8 much better then 2 ever could
Hasimir: but if you're sticking with 2.7, use: from __future__ import unicode_literals
decimation: why bother with unicode at all?
trinque: Hasimir: yup, it's exploding deep within python gnupg though.
Hasimir: decimation, I like to print people's names correctly, to do otherwise when it is possible is just unnecessarily rude
mircea_popescu: they should be thankful the names don't get translated!
decimation: do you realize what kind of black hole python is being forced into ... to be polite?
mircea_popescu: ye hear that, phteven ?
decimation: and if someone has a name that can't be romanized? fuck'em - they can romanize or have no identity
Hasimir: decimation, I prefer to view it as a new (event) horizon
mircea_popescu: a new what ?
BingoBoingo: So watching 'Mean Girls' (2004) seems asciilifeform likes authentic Maoism in his films
mircea_popescu: decimation we're not enforcing that policy re irc handles tho
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143160 << l0l, not even sure what counts as the most recent
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:47:14; mircea_popescu: they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on trilema.
decimation: are we using utf or extended ascii
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo after mean girls see http://trilema.com/2012/mean-streets/
mircea_popescu: should be an interesting study in contrasts.
mircea_popescu: (pretty much exactly same story, separated by two decades and a gender gap_
mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno anyone gave a shit, just, whatever freenode takes.
decimation: irc handles aren't an identity, gpg keys are
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 04:05:08; mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind.
mircea_popescu: so your deedbot is going to break over someone citing a nick ?
mircea_popescu: "I walked out of the back office in a state of absolute shock. I’d just become a twenty–first century sharecropper. I couldn’t find outside work without winding up homeless — and I couldn’t leave the state because three bucks of gas money won’t get you past Walnut Creek — and I couldn’t get paid because there was no money to pay anyone with."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^
Vexual: nrm
trinque: mircea_popescu: over non-latin1 characters, for now
trinque: though that's something I'll fix.
trinque: will involve dropping a dependency and writing something in its place
mircea_popescu: what you mean by deep in gpg py bowels ? is it exploitable even ?
mircea_popescu: looks like he gave you your weekend's entertainment
trinque: nah, the python thing diddling gpg is just trying to
trinque: whoops
decimation: just turn 8-bit ascii characters into tildes
trinque: trying to encode some bits as latin1, and there are characters in this outside that set
asciilifeform recalls mr mold's attempt at squaring zooko's tri. - speakable keys
trinque: so it barfs
decimation: does deedbot need to be 8-bit clean?
asciilifeform recalls own implementation of it, http://dpaste.com/2E0CYZQ
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trinque: decimation: I don't see why it can't handle utf8; the sqlite db it munches on is
trinque: just a python annoyance
mircea_popescu: decimation tilde wont sign
Hasimir: trinque, oh, is this the python-gnupg gpg.encoding thing?
decimation: eh, it's you code, do what you will.
Hasimir: yeah, setting that to latin-1 just works with everything ...
trinque: Hasimir: yeah
Hasimir: well, mostly
Hasimir: I think I might've submitted the bug report on that one ...
trinque: heh!
trinque: found the mention of it in the docs
trinque: is there a workaround?
decimation: yeah, 7 bit ascii
trinque: ah I see how you can set it
Hasimir: that is the work around
trinque: decimation: I'm fine with requiring ascii too; what's the argument behind that?
decimation: I don't trust 8-bit character handling code
trinque: ah, well at least with this thing the output's able to be checked, neh?
Hasimir: that's one of the reasons I started looking at pyme ...
trinque: if there are messages out there that are interesting to deedbot in other encodings, they'd otherwise be excluded
Hasimir: well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys
Vexual: !up thestringpuller
Vexual: really?
Hasimir: yep
Vexual: no shit
Hasimir: it's in one of the bitbucket t=issues
Hasimir: *issues
deedbot-: accepted: 1
Hasimir: yay
trinque: Hasimir: thanks!
Hasimir: I believe that falls into the category of enlightened self-interest ;)
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
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BingoBoingo: "Everyone in Africa can read Swedish"
BingoBoingo: OMG the CRT iMAcs in this film
danielpbarron: i have 2 of those
asciilifeform: wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs'
asciilifeform: that 's' just came out for no reason
asciilifeform: point being, i have always wanted to see an 'm-mac'
asciilifeform: that is - mechanical.
asciilifeform: ('e' in 'emac' clearly is 'electric')
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: seven spanish angles. a rap verse. vexual
Vexual: notrlly
Vexual: bb is right tho, where swedish is the swhahili of western europe
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143033 << iirc there was similar thing in maryland. the state gov. simply pissed on the court, andrewjackson-style.
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
asciilifeform: because, well, they could.
Vexual: maryland kinda close to dc no?
asciilifeform: that'd be why.
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:10:09; mircea_popescu: Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow
asciilifeform: because there are several 'this'es
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assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:11:31; BingoBoingo: I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we were idly discussing the "what could have causes weak keys", i pointed out that so far it could be a lotta things
mircea_popescu: all the way up to an afore-unknown property of the mathematical structures involved.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs' << Generally eMac was previous year's "iMac"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143033 << iirc there was similar thing in maryland. the state gov. simply pissed on the court, andrewjackson-style. << Court Pissed all over Chicago on this matter
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
BingoBoingo: Surprisingly educational film, do reccomend
BingoBoingo: OMG asciilifeform Regina George is 8 years older than Cady!!!
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, I was looking in gpg's import source code for an unrelated thing and noticed something, it won't give you the answer, but it might help narrow the search - read through the code and code comments in g10/import.c of the current master repo, it goes through the specific key error types and subkey fragment types that gpg won't import (which also happens to be most of the keys on The List)
BingoBoingo finally giving Missouri wine a chance tonight. WOrks for endrunkening
Hasimir: also, see if you can test this key ID: 0xCC61ADFF159B44ED (another one missing a UID, but in this case it was made in '94, by a certain expat aussie residing in an Ecuadorian embassy in London ...)
Hasimir: the other way to find that one, even without the uid is with his old email address: proff@suburbia.apana.org.au
BingoBoingo: WTF is wrong with pissing in the freezer and then quitting
Hasimir: BingoBoingo, if it's too far below zero it might freeze inside your urethra ... breaking the ice would not be a good thing then
BingoBoingo: Hasimir: As much as I drink, not sure my piss would freeze at zero
BingoBoingo: !up Landgull
mircea_popescu: Hasimir minus the fact that it imports unsigned keys (badly signed it rejects, but unsigned at all seem an exception ?), gpg generally doesn't import the diddled exponent keys yeah
Hasimir: and it usually gives different errors for those it rejects, which you can match to specific symptoms in the code
mircea_popescu: much more interesting would be an assay of the various windows and perhaps mac implementations
mircea_popescu: as very few here actually have either.
Hasimir: I've got os x
Hasimir: and I'm running 1.4.19 and 2.1.4
Hasimir: though 1.4.19 has been adjusted to generate large keys
mircea_popescu: yeah thinking more of 1.4.x
mircea_popescu: single digit
mircea_popescu: these keys come from 2009 at earliest iirc
Hasimir: I can always recompile an older version ...
mircea_popescu: even just reading the code is worthwhile.
Hasimir: ah-ha! finally!
Hasimir: now 2.1.4 is modded to make stupidly large keys too ...
BingoBoingo threw in a bunch of fucking 1990's 512 an 76X keys...
BingoBoingo: Apparently ye olde keys perfectly factorable in a targeted manner... stronger than turd keys
Hasimir: v2 keys are pretty simple, though
BingoBoingo: v2 is beneath justifying effort
Hasimir: and 512-bit, are you surprised?
BingoBoingo: Hasimir: No, I am surprised all of this other shit is getting Fucktored 1stest
Hasimir: heh, fair point
Hasimir: though chances are No Such Agency have already broken the old ones out of habit
BingoBoingo: Almost inevitabru
Hasimir: no doubt they've also trawled archives of alt.anon.messages
BingoBoingo: Oh shit, Marvel did somewhat not stupid depiction of tactical nukes in a Disney movie
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. << I see no reason that this must be the case, but yes, fiat-land tends to breed engineers who are terrible with money (bill gosper, stallman, richard gabriel). It also tends to make idiot managers. IMHO much of this is because of all the inane nonsense involved in runnin
gabriel_laddel: g a business. EG: from what I can tell, it consists of fill out paperwork, go to point (lat,long), fill out more paperwork, if you fill out enough paperwork, you'll get special moron coins that you can spend at select hotels or trade in for airline credits. Fucking idiot nonsense to fill the lives of shmucks whose time isn't worth anything and aspi
gabriel_laddel: re to (at most) become a "high powered businessman" (whatever that means, idk).
gabriel_laddel: ty BingoBoingo
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. << lol
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I am sorry, you are doomed to suffer hetrogyny
mircea_popescu: "tin women"
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. << unlike smbx, I've heard that their producs were never competitive, in spite of having all the brains and lisp machines they could possibly want. Related to the whole "they burned a pile of money" I've also been told they bought a firetruck to play with (wtf,
BingoBoingo is horribru with money x-cept when I am awesome
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you may at best go work for the guy who can << hey, lemme know when you find him - I'm still searching.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: after he beats the word "waste" into your skull << ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! << idk wtf he was smoking - sounds like you should have packaged and sold it.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. << ...
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do. << ftr, I see this as progress. Knowing macrofab exists and having a working relationship is useful.
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production?
gabriel_laddel: *: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en + asciilifeform: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. + mircea_popescu: i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. + asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he t
gabriel_laddel: hinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem
BingoBoingo: BESERKER!!!
gabriel_laddel: ^ It appears that I should properly make the business case. If the unix in question had a sane substitute for portage (clearly specified set of systems guaranteed to build for a specified set of versions, no cyclic dependencies when you try to enable the USE flag for docs globally, sane CLOS structuring of the systems, `build' builds, `test' tests
gabriel_laddel: etc), you wouldn't shell over $100 for it? You've already advertised spending a week(!) setting up a gentoo. ben_vulpes wasted at least an hour trying to figure out what the hell portage overlays do even. mod6 burnt god knows how long writing an (unfinished) gentoo install guide. How little is everyone's time worth? My point is not that Masamune wi
gabriel_laddel: ll solve these exact problems and cost $100 dollars - it won't. My point /is/ that the notion there couldn't possibly be a unix worth paying for is absurd.
gabriel_laddel: I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money is on (source-included) extensions, which amounts to contracting gigs setting up intricate lessons for large companies, militaries, private schools and homeschoolers. Aside from this, various products I'd like to make and sell: a CL only I
gabriel_laddel: DE (with all the goodies MP and I discussed previously - !s paper clip), 3D CLIM (actually a rather involved project - selecting the correct hardware, reverse engineered opengl drivers etc is expensive and how exactly this gets split off into various products is complicated), a program that does run-time analysis on your CL code and optimizes it in
gabriel_laddel: real time, a plug-and-play solution for doing research for chemists, physicists and mathematicians. Some people are asking the right questions (http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/27246/in-which-country-is-it-allowed-to-practice-non-clandestine-amateur-chemistry, http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/18791/why-isnt-organic-chemistr
gabriel_laddel: y-taught-in-3d) and no one is catering to their needs. System76 exists, they sell linux computers but their machines suck because they're stupid. I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune. Frankly, the marketing for all these companies sucks and I don't think it'll be terribly difficult to do far better.
gabriel_laddel: To those who would say "Oh you can't possibly sell a 3D CLIM, no one needs that" I will note that we *know* the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (Weapons and Complex Integration) built VisIt on top of OpenGL. They accept it as a given. USG doesn't want to win wars, but I'm willing to bet that someone on Earth does. One easy way to free up eng
gabriel_laddel: ineers is to remove idiotic nonsense (OpenGL, Gentoo, Portage) from their lives. If you think OpenGL isn't a huge time sink, think again: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-5-2
mircea_popescu: omg wall fo text man
BingoBoingo: *nix simply doesn't cost
mircea_popescu: you gotta blog.
gabriel_laddel: I've got a blog
BingoBoingo: A/UX, Solaris 8, AIX, *BSD, no cost dude
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: try reading the message pl0x
BingoBoingo: Will get to, drinking Missery wine
BingoBoingo dunno how you pronounce that state
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel portage already exists. not only would i not pay for it, i'd pay to have whoever packages gentoo atm whipped.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: portage doesn't work
gabriel_laddel: sure, it exists
mircea_popescu: mkay. lemme explain something about markets to you. the sun is infinitely valuable, to the exclusion of all else. nobody (tm) would consider paying for it, and in no case would they pay anything close to fair value (why this is so should be thermodynamically obvious). meanwhile, ipads have no utility and go for hundreds by the million. on top of them, jackpot machine simulations sell for more $$$.
mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.
gabriel_laddel: holy fucking god almighty
gabriel_laddel: "I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money..."
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i was replying to " you wouldn't shell over $100 for it?" strictly.
mircea_popescu: i don't believe that's the only approach, nor did i think it actually was yours, before encountering that line.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: okay
gabriel_laddel: people buy industrial chemicals, do they not?
gabriel_laddel: how is buying an actually working package manager any different?
gabriel_laddel: "I need to do my job, can't reasonably do it without XYZ, so I'll buy it"
mircea_popescu: as discussed in my example.
mircea_popescu: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry"
mircea_popescu: if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Reagents have mass... *nix lax mass
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: so does sublime text, and yet people fork over $70USD for it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ironically, if it's any good it does lack it. if it actually sells then it has it, which is what windows is, basically.
mircea_popescu: ;;google sublime text
gribble: Sublime Text: The text editor you'll fall in love with: <http://www.sublimetext.com/>; Sublime Text - Download: <http://www.sublimetext.com/2>; Sublime Text 3: <http://www.sublimetext.com/3>
gabriel_laddel: It's moronic fyi
mircea_popescu: this would be in the category of ipad jackpot simulators i guess.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the mass Windows sell for is its scleroisis
BingoBoingo: Seriously A/UX, Solaris 8/9, FreeBSD(ANY) all massless and free
gabriel_laddel: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry" << see hyperchem lite
gabriel_laddel: also, people buy chemistry classes
mircea_popescu: yes, they buy classes, and no hyperchem lite is not Chemistry.
mircea_popescu: but if your thing needs classes you conceivably failed by your own criteria.
BingoBoingo: H2F, H2S04, and Urushiol are all very different very dangerous problems
gabriel_laddel: I don't understand your argument here - you're saying that no one would pay for a working portage because people don't buy "chemistry"?
mircea_popescu: among other things, i am saying that people only move to america if it's free. if it's not free they stay home.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Nah, because people do pay for chemistry. Just the paid parts f chemistry have no portage analogues
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Hrm. Interesting argument.
mircea_popescu: not saying that money can't be made out of america, obviously.
BingoBoingo: So, local missouri/illinois wines... not so bad if they are white
gabriel_laddel: one just has to be selling shovels and pickaxes
mircea_popescu: but, essentially, hard to guess by whom.
mircea_popescu: the first railroad company didn't make money, tho railroad was a money maker eventually.
mircea_popescu: symbolics died. the original apple died.
mircea_popescu: the spanish invented the new world mostly to make the dutch (and their later english colony) richer for it. etc.
gabriel_laddel: well that's the game isn't it?
BingoBoingo: Punch trees, get wood
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that is a game for much older and richer folk than you, to create a new world.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the full blown version of my original doubts.
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BingoBoingo: So, Illinois moscato... WOuld make great salad dressing
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mircea_popescu: http://www.gca.org/ wouldja look at that!
cazalla: BingoBoingo drinking wine? never!
mircea_popescu: and at some point not so long ago this was supposedly a big fucking deal.
mircea_popescu: now that they buried the world under their xml crapolade, they can just go away. nobody's going to go "hey, the shit sucked!111" NOW.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Purging all the local shit from the premises
mircea_popescu: and back then it was all "nowai it rocks!111 time will show!!1"
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: !up williamdunne
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I'll be your mision to the end of the line
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: There is nothing more whorifying than 'Murica
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Present teen movie in binge is "bring it on"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021&pg=7 << kudos for sf that while outrageous, is at least entertainingly non-retarded.
BingoBoingo: Any volunteer who can put the mass in ass???
BingoBoingo: OMG asciilifeform has me watching all the teen movies
BingoBoingo: Ah asciilifeform films, Missy is the poo so take a big wiff
BingoBoingo: !up goregrind
Vexual: wht mission?
Vexual: if you're tlking about the kid on the honda, he hit the redline eraly
BingoBoingo: Eliza Dushku, the Jews, and the hard problems
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell asciilifeform here's a thought : we had 15 broken keys when phuctor had seen 159k keys ; and we have 19 now, it's just a shade under 200k. curious if the 1 in 10k thing keeps throughout the 4mn
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "bring it on" not bad ascii knows his subject and its tropes
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual We throw people in the air and...
BingoBoingo: Fat people don't go as high
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Eliza Dushku is a teen, that storie concerns a nigger
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Vexual: whilliamdune rate seems like an effect sunter
davout: ^does not compute
Vexual: i forgot to put ive
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davout: :3
Vexual: such meat
fluffypony: !v assbot:fluffypony.rate.davout.3:55f273f8129cdff0147c0443a3a0bfceff23d5f76d8efb6bedb145c6c4753af9
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for davout from 1 to 3 with note: Has soft, golden locks of hair and a bike. I know this because I've met him irl. 10/10 for style
BingoBoingo: Jungle love OEOEOH
BingoBoingo: otherfucker and the Time!!!!
BingoBoingo: Oe Oe Oh
cazalla: that wine must be nice
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Jungle lovw
cazalla: not so sure i'm a fan (not that we have any black women down under)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Dun you got dem abbos
cazalla: not many around and even fewer full bloods
cazalla: most of em are 1/8 abo at this point
BingoBoingo: Massah if you got dem abbos you can get werk dun
BingoBoingo: OEOEOh Jungle love
cazalla: pink pussy contrasted with the black skin doesn't really do it for me either
cazalla: not that i'd pass up the opportunity to try
BingoBoingo: I dun see why not. Black girls got the best smell on their pinks.
cazalla: i'll have to take your word for it at this point
cazalla: i think i've met.. 3 african women down under
cazalla: all 3 were hambeasts no less
BingoBoingo: Australasia sucks
cazalla: it can.. on the plus side, it's far the fuck away from the rest of hte world and their shit
BingoBoingo: I CHALLENGE THE WELTERWeight NIGGER OF THE WORLD FLOYD MAYWEAther for a bit of freindly sparring
cazalla: lol buttfinex
BingoBoingo: As posessor of a GPG signature in L2 of Assbot's web of trust...I challenge anyone in my L3 trust to contest my in face punching for the real world welterweight championship of face punching
BingoBoingo: ^ ;;later tell gabriel_ladell That is how you break a cartell
BingoBoingo: cazalla: ++
cazalla: that wine?
cazalla: must be some strong shit
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I started with normall cheapo vodka. Watched an alf movie and drank missouri wine over "Mean Girls". Was in a mood drank Illinois white over "Bring it on"
BingoBoingo not disappoint because Eliza Dushku makes Pete Dushenski countable people
cazalla: can't say i've seen mean girls before
BingoBoingo: I've only seen it tonight
BingoBoingo: Bitches were mean
cazalla: i think the last all girl movie i watched was something like the craft
cazalla: buttfinex supposedly got ganked for 500 btc
kakobrekla: details?
cazalla: none yet really, just a notice on their site https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/announcements/?id=35
kakobrekla: lol buttfuckex
kakobrekla: btw i dunno how i got that 1 year reddit in my ircs
davout: "buttfuckex" <<< kekobrekla
kakobrekla: also, you weirdos, if anyone has a 'usaf 596' tube laying around per chance, wtb.
jurov: mod6 sorry, that disadvantage of having staging evironment, posting dev links right and left...shoulda abolish that
jurov: :)
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 07:25:43; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for
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jurov: the day of reckoning...buttfinex haxed, trolltalk haxed
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jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1142882 lol looks like hydrothermal fire reactor
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 02:31:08; mod6: it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer
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Naphex: so.. bitfinex hacked. just as they switched to AlphaPoint and Microsoft servers
Naphex: how sweet
Naphex: who would've tought
davout: Naphex: "microsoft servers" <<< ???
Apocalyptic: Naphex, that would be hilarious
Naphex: davout: didn't they switch to AlphaPoint Trading Engine?
Naphex: davout: as far as I know its written in c# and runs on wind0s
Adlai: ... which is a giant blob of .net
Adlai: yes
Adlai: "We are looking for an individual who can take a leadership role in architecting and developing our core C# platform."
Adlai: in their defense, they request "Strong capabilities in: C#, .NET; Xamarin, Mono" so maybe they run production trading engines on emulators
Naphex: Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P
Adlai is glad that he no longer runs scalpl on buttfixen
Adlai: twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account
Adlai: the decreasing returns were not worth the increasing derpage
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143288 yep i ran into it, too. and it also got incompatibly forked, without proper renaming, which "improved" the situation markedly
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 04:21:37; Hasimir: well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 sorry, that disadvantage of having staging evironment, posting dev links right and left...shoulda abolish that << no worries :]
mod6: <+kakobrekla> lol buttfuckex << haha
jurov: yo mod6. so either you'll work with the /srv/mailman/.../turds.sqlite directly or supply me at least partial list
jurov: what went into -RELEASE
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mod6: Ok, I can certainly manage coming up with a list of everything that went into -RELEASE. And probably a handfull of others that didn't.
mod6: for instance, 'auto' is in there a bunch of times, but only one version obv. made it in.
jurov: well, you can post it right to the list
mod6: Anyway, np. I'll work on it.
mod6: so with "based on" ... am i undstanding that correctly that column is a link (pointer) to it's previous version?
mike_c: "Excitement!!! Excellence! Launching ahead to better humanity! Ethereum!!! Congratulations!
mike_c: EXCITING :-)" speaking of cults..
mod6: AMAZING
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
jurov: mod6 i was thinking just a version name for both columns
jurov: links can be generated but imo they are not needed
mod6: ok.
jurov: do we have a link for '0.5.3-chicken' anyway?
jurov: that's what most of the patches would be based on
jurov: heh ok
jurov: or to the lxr source browser
mod6: oh, now... no we don't have a link to that thing. what is it anyway, i can't recall.
jurov: lol the phoundation released 5 versions (incl. rc) since feb?
jurov: inb4 next major version "Bitcoin Core 10"
mod6: nothing seems to come up at that link?
mod6: 5 versions? lol
mod6: oh maybe i didn't wait long enough re redirect
jurov: you can use the latter link
jurov: should be always our newest release
mod6: heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF.
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mod6: ok cool. i'll add a link up there in just a bit.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thing is still largely loading moduli missed (due to db locking idiocy) the first time around.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: think i'll just add a "links" section
mod6: asciilifeform: haha, yeha, mine is now queued with 5419 in front of it. haha, oh well. :]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu aaaand somehow '19' turned into '18' !?! (i do have a db backup, so if this is enemy action they can go fuck themselves.)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: incidentally, now more than ever is the time to set up an sks server under our control. because sks is our ultimate 'backup'
asciilifeform: and the pressure on sks server keepers to start removing things will be turned on, yes.
mod6: jurov: ok added link to that under "Links". That ok with you?
jurov: yes
asciilifeform: aaaactually my understanding is that one of the 19 got requeued, which 'un-broke' it. say hello to our first annoying bug.
asciilifeform: (which will not be an issue once werker runs continuously)
jurov: you haven't used the hyperadvanced lisp runtime that can be snapshottet and restarted?
jurov: if they cycle you once in a week
asciilifeform: jurov: the thing has no lisp or anything else interesting in it
jurov: dunno where i got the notion from
asciilifeform: jurov: and i will point out that it is quite impossible to build a guaranteed power-cycle-immune anything on a standard x86 pc, which doesn't even have a powerfail interrupt
jurov: i'm not talking about immunity. only restartability
asciilifeform: (just getting atomic writes (sort-of) on such a box requires disk controller with battery compartment)
asciilifeform: jurov: the submission thing is a hastily-written script.
asciilifeform: (the sks mass-submit, that is)
decimation: asciilifeform: not to mention the nmi
jurov: "Internal Whitening" ftw
asciilifeform: jurov: realize that folks have been selling rng since at least late '70s
asciilifeform: jurov: and yes, they are typically 'best practices' retarded - e.g., 'whitening' etc
decimation: part of the problem is as ascii has identified - you really want every part to be inspectible by the end user
decimation: the only other method I can think that is reasonably acceptable in this way is radiactive decay
asciilifeform: apparently i can discuss my designs all i want without fear of being 'scooped' because 'everybody' thinks i'm entirely batshit.
asciilifeform: no one - certainly not 'hackernews' imbeciles who ship their hardware with winblows drivers because 'consumer has come to expect' - give a flying fuck about auditability, etc.
asciilifeform: in other news,
decimation: if someone is interested in the radioactive decay, I would look at herr walker's hotbits > http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/
asciilifeform: decimation: there are some 'gotchas' to using geigers
decimation: asciilifeform: your earlier analogy of the deer kneeling before the hunter is apt
decimation: soon the hunter 'comes to expect'
asciilifeform: for one thing, the material, well... decays. at predictable rate.
decimation: heh yeah.
asciilifeform: for another, the process of geiger tube going off is rf-noisy
decimation: that's true, it is
asciilifeform: tube also wears out very quickly
decimation: that I didn't know
asciilifeform: that is really the main reason i do not use geiger for rng personally
decimation: oh yeah that sucks
asciilifeform: it wears out in the same way as a fluorescent light bulb does
asciilifeform: filament 'sputters' onto the walls
asciilifeform: in the case of geiger tube, the fill gas is also 'poisoned' by said process, iirc
decimation: yeah that makes sense
asciilifeform: phun phakt: virtually no one is still making geiger tubes commercially
decimation: tubes just don't do well with gaseous filling
decimation: no my understanding is that folks are 'recycling' old soviet tubes mainly
asciilifeform: almost entire world is relying on the - finite and mostly russian - cold war supplies
decimation: which probably have some variation themselves
asciilifeform: geiger tubes are no more difficult to make than light bulbs, but someone has to -do- it
Apocalyptic: "Similarly, the modulus of Peter Anvin's key is also divisible by 19 and 7704959, in addition to 3, 7 and 11 as" // I have found these two additional primes as well, and only those 2
decimation: yeah I suspect that most nuclear facilities have golden toilet budgets for fancier stuff
asciilifeform: (incidentally, strong's 'experimental physics' (see logs) describes how to make one)
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: care to comment on the 'is transformation same as picking random N for modulus' thing ?
Apocalyptic: "2) The public exponent is changed to 281479271743489" for which key ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: all of the ones discussed thus far.
asciilifeform: why - remains unknown
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, If I get some time I will, it requires a more carefull analysis that it may seem
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, even the HPA's invalid subkey ? I thought pgpdump showed me e = 65537
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: at present, we have sufficient info to birth these on demand from legit keys. but we do not know the magic trick which yields decryption (it does not necessarily take the shape of a private key! and may not even -exist- for every possible starting legit key)
Apocalyptic: "RSA e(17 bits) - 01 00 01" on the last two Public Subkey Packet
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: you are correct. only applies to -every key in The List-
asciilifeform: notice it does not include the faux-anvin
asciilifeform: how that one was made - remains unknown
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, by the way do you have any explanation as to why pgpdump skips the KeyID field on invalid subkeys ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: not at present. will probably end up spending some quality time with the sourc
asciilifeform: incidentally, now is a good time to mention the fact that sks also contains a great many keys which were too malformed to even attempt phuctoring
asciilifeform: (and they make pgpdump unhappy, in various ways, yes.)
Apocalyptic: quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour
asciilifeform: they sure do.
asciilifeform: i still regard it as not entirely unlikely that the attack is a pure 'dos'
asciilifeform: and that no one attempted to actually derive the corresponding privates
asciilifeform: l0l! that thing actually existed as something other than spam ads ?!
asciilifeform: and people -paid- for it?!
asciilifeform: and pwned by no less than weev himself? l0l
chetty: someone getting ideas from fetlife :D
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ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/1SJBXB5.txt << previous experience lead me to expect `make install` to, well, install all of the relevant things. trinque, asciilifeform: any obvious mistakes or bad thoughts on my part you'd care to rectify?
trinque: ben_vulpes: I bet process_rpower_integration(order,
trinque: payment_info
trinque: if method and method.processor == 'rpower'
trinque: else None)
trinque: ah fuck
trinque: hahahaha
trinque: ben_vulpes: I BET LD_LIBRARY_PATH IS WEIRD ON OS X
trinque: ALSO HAVE SOME PYTHON CODE
ben_vulpes: nah this is gentoo
ben_vulpes: thanks for the python bro
trinque: now everybody knows lisp has weirded up the way I do my parenthesis
trinque: ben_vulpes: lemme fix a thing and then I'll see how that compares to my build of dieharder
ben_vulpes: i'm in no rush
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jurov: ben_vulpes: check if you have /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf
jurov: and run ldconfig
jurov: any time libraries are installed, ldconfig should be ran
ben_vulpes: <jurov> and run ldconfig << that was it
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ben_vulpes: "use libtool" << so as to speak "just type libtool at the prompt"
ben_vulpes: `curl log.bitcoin-assets.com | sudo sh`
ben_vulpes: WCGW™
ben_vulpes: thanks jurov
jurov: how did you hook up the rng in the end?
jurov: since i have rpi, i'd have just used gpio pin.. you have no hw with gpio?
ben_vulpes: no hw with gpio, but now that you mention rpi mebbe i should try that
ben_vulpes: was going to wire it up to a microphone
ben_vulpes: but now mebbe raspi!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: microphone probably won't work, it being ac-coupled
asciilifeform: you'd have to use intervals between spikes as the entropy
jurov: yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter?
ben_vulpes: i was anticipating some really lame dsp-by-hand
asciilifeform will be out in meatspace for weekend, with sporadic connectivity
jurov: ;;seen assbot
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jurov: kakobrekla: ^
jurov: or maybe it's just slow, is there some attack?
kakobrekla: !s test
assbot: 1302 results for 'test' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=test
jurov: it did not fetch the title
kakobrekla: thats cause mp/cp fucked up one of his servers
jurov: hooray for bisp
kakobrekla: that was pre bisp
kakobrekla: log1 server
kakobrekla: anyway someone else can run proxy title parser and ill use that
kakobrekla: shit even i can run it.
jurov: lol
jurov: glad to be helpful
kakobrekla: lesson learned; never talk.
jurov: you can always !down yourself
kakobrekla: cant, still have my lower pair of ribs
jurov: lampelina can !down you then
kakobrekla: only if assbot allows
jurov: quite an arrangement, this
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kakobrekla: ba comes with all sorts of implications
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ben_vulpes: weirdos
jurov: !up Kalki
Kalki: Greetings
jurov: Hello, what brings you around?
kakobrekla bets on rsa
Kalki: Not much just seeing if anything interesting is being discussed
jurov: yes, check out our logs
Kalki: Pretty newb around these parts but find it quite refreshing as I have been swimming in the shallow btc waters looking for honesty
kakobrekla: !gettrust Kalki
assbot: Kalki is not registered in WoT.
kakobrekla: any honest to be found is there
jurov: !h
jurov: um.. i wanted the "first steps"
jurov: anyway it's linked from there
kakobrekla: somebody actually fixed that so it does not include gribble anymore
Kalki: Kakobrekla - do you mean get it together with a wot setup? Or what does !gettrust mean?
jurov: yes, set up the wot
Kalki: Yeah been meaning to... Still reading and catching up -
jurov: better sooner than later... before the new account fee rises again
jurov: jkjk
Kalki: Wait - it's not the same as the fee for mpex is it?
kakobrekla: wot is free
Kalki: Nm I will look later
Kalki: Oh ok
Kalki: Yeah thought so
mircea_popescu: unless gabriel_laddel finds a way to charge for it...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol did a key become unfactored ?
mircea_popescu: by the way, for the putative folk with a rediscovered number theory fondness among the readers : https://primes.utm.edu/notes/conjectures/ is not bad.
mircea_popescu: especially seeing how plenty of the conjectures that are still open problems are around a century old.
ben_vulpes: is gabriel_laddel's business model really that bad?
ben_vulpes: professional services and licenses for the custom ware the software so produced run on?
trinque: ben_vulpes: he's apparently going to help me install his masamune this weekend
ben_vulpes: can i come
trinque: sure
trinque: I found his repo, built it and bitched that it didn't work :D
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trinque: WIP, no shame in that
trinque: and no, I personally don't think anyone will ever pay for such a thing enough to sustain its development
trinque: gotta bolt it to some service he'd provide with the thing that's desirable on its own
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival.
mircea_popescu: the notion that one'll make money from "licenses" in the future... heh. not such a great plan.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I take that as "we'll figure out the business model later" when I hear it
mircea_popescu: he did seem of the "i feel like hacking on this so fu" persuasion.
mircea_popescu: nttawwt, especially at his age
trinque: "people pay for me; I have value"
trinque: yeah my mother has no problem with me living on her couch either; doesn't mean I do it
mircea_popescu: sadly, in romanian.
trinque: also the selection thing is scrolling to the paragraph involved, but not selecting
mircea_popescu: so much weird in the browsers....
trinque: Chrome 42.0.2311.152 (64-bit) Gentoo
trinque: yup, errata everywhere
mircea_popescu: if any of you ever getting unexpected behaviour feel for some unknown reason a compulsion to debug the whys and wherefores, i would certainly listen
mircea_popescu: but i can't be sending people on this snipe expedition because i am a poorfag.
mircea_popescu: hiring interview "mr X we will need you to debug all the browsers." "that's fine, but i will need all the moneys" "we only have a fraction of the moneys" "then i can debug a fraction of the browsers" "well... that isn't useful is it now."
trinque: heh, I was just mentioning elsewhere that the only right way to write browser JS is in the mode of a schizoid paranoiac, suspecting all but the most basic features of it of trying to steal your precious bodily fluids
trinque: mircea_popescu: Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 419 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0).
trinque: the line which is 623 on trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/
trinque: Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 118 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0).
trinque: borken maffs?
mircea_popescu: for chrome only ?!
trinque: that JS does have the human hair, glue and googly eyes look to it
trinque: mircea_popescu: if I call scrollToHash in the console myself, it works
trinque: smells like a race condition
jurov: any such stuff must be done delayed, not immediately
jurov: in onLoad/onDOMReady handler
jurov: (maybe it is i haven't looked)
mircea_popescu: jurov well it is at the end of the page.
jurov: i'd expect such problems still
jurov: one of these "schizoid paranoiac" things i rather always follow
trinque: jurov: he's got a delay in there of 500ms
jurov: ah. just my 2 satoshi
trinque: all this checking for null shit... beatings
trinque: when you JS, you must resist the temptation to think like JS, haha
trinque: no prototype chains, no "new", no nothing
mircea_popescu: nothing is a js thing ?
jurov: different kinds of
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'd use something like this to fire it off https://github.com/dperini/ContentLoaded/blob/master/src/contentloaded.js
trinque: "are your really, really, really ready browser?"
mircea_popescu: obviously i read dperini as derperini
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul.
trinque: window.onload = initScrollToHash;
trinque: setTimeout(initScrollToHash, 500);
trinque: ^ looks like hax trying to deal with it
trinque: he's saying run it at whatever the browser thinks load is, and also 500ms later because reasons
trinque: classic JS programmer tic
trinque: and also, it works for me on certain pages, not others
trinque: so 500ms is likely not enough... sometimes
mircea_popescu: does it work on same page if reload ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: jquery literally spin-checks to work around this
jurov: a clue: i get delayed errors for avatars in chrome console. maybe it's related
trinque: mircea_popescu: no, does not work on the original page in question
trinque: after refresh
jurov: if it won't work till all avatars load, that would explain why it works on some pages
mircea_popescu: so what, doesn't make dom available until the missing linked images timeout ?
mircea_popescu: that's classy.
jurov: yeah that's sooo derpy
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trinque: ah!
trinque: yeah, looks to be "page with comments == borken"
trinque: that holds after a bit of spot checking
trinque: yup, I thought at first it was "long page", but newp, works fine on long pages long as there aren't comments
mircea_popescu: yeah tis missing avatars.
mircea_popescu: i'm not fixing this.
jurov pours himself some wine
mircea_popescu: jurov better hurry up with that wine, bingo's asleep and cazalla not up yet.
mircea_popescu: b-a is trying to keep one guy drunk at all times, a sort of olympic... flame.
trinque: this browser thing needs a look someday, has to go
jurov: obsolete all browsers!
trinque: n+1 standards!
trinque: haha
trinque: but come on, gimme a sandboxed lisp-ish thing, let it grab text over sockets, draw pretty pictures on a rectangle, done
jurov: trinque: are you aware what was ecmascript inspired by?
trinque: I sure am
trinque: "inspired"
trinque: jurov: eich even said it shoulda been a scheme later
trinque: but forget the whole dom braindamage; that probably would've remained if he had
trinque: just gimme drawing in a rectangle, and let people write higher level widgetry things atop that
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143587 << yeah i dun see how that's in their defense.
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 13:41:19; Naphex: Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 13:42:24; Adlai: twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account
Adlai: ya srsly
Adlai currently has negative net bitcoin debt
jurov: bitcoinica forever
mircea_popescu: then "everyone" (of the idiots) is simply copying their "price" and then the world derps abouit how "capitalism creates economic cycles"
mircea_popescu: no dude. capitalism is not involved. stop being a herd of idiots wtf.
mircea_popescu: this is like "decentralization doesn't work becasue we all used the same copy of decentralized software and got ownered"
Adlai: who's copying what price?
Adlai: last i checked 1 DOGE = 1 DOGE
mircea_popescu: Adlai isn't buttfinex the one of the web exchanges with the largest random number published under "volume" ?
Adlai: they at least charge their customers for helping them boost that number
mircea_popescu: allegedly.
Adlai: either way, their order book has been crossing at an increasingly frequent rate
Adlai: screenshots all over the reddits, for the curious
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:24:52; mod6: heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF.
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's actually in my reports, too. the part i hadn't read thereof.
mircea_popescu has been skipping the web exchanges header for... months, now.
Adlai has brought scalpl for some drydock, next voyage planned for the cross-chain seas
jurov: any stats how much it made?
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:29:20; asciilifeform: incidentally, now more than ever is the time to set up an sks server under our control. because sks is our ultimate 'backup'
Adlai: no
mircea_popescu: how goes mats ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143652 "the path to truth is correctly hiding all the places we're lying to ourselves!"
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:57:39; jurov: "Internal Whitening" ftw
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:03:03; asciilifeform: tube also wears out very quickly
mircea_popescu: it's not only that it wears off quickly, it wears off as a function of... HOW MUCH IT DETECTED
Adlai: jurov: there's lots of data, but motivation to do anything scalpl-related is currently at all-time lows
jurov: where were we with S.MPOE?
jurov: it was not feasible or?
Adlai wanted to build a simulator to check feasibility
mircea_popescu: tandem arrangements can to some degree help, but it gets rapidly iffy (tandem arrangements of radiation detectors are fundamentally looking at the same event, at least some of the time - not so with electronic noise like cardano measures, where tandem detectors are actually looking at distinct events)
jurov: ohno... this mpex simulator stuff again
Adlai: it's not necessary, but the alternative is to not simulate, which requires an account
jurov: i can give you access to mpexagent
Adlai: !s mpexagent
assbot: 7 results for 'mpexagent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mpexagent
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143704 << the problem with multiplication in these ethereal numeric bodies is that it has about as many gotchas as memory allocation in c. and most of them plenty unintuitive.
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:23:45; Apocalyptic: quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour
mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows what exactly multiplying the exponent by a factor in the key does.
mircea_popescu: mp does fetlife, weev does aff. i guess i lose out huh.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143748 << golden standard is what alf presented, oscilloscope coupling
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 17:49:51; jurov: yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter?
jurov: so ben_vulpes will then use camera to get the random bits off osciloscope?
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 18:19:06; jurov: quite an arrangement, this
mircea_popescu: jurov i just meant the type of coupling!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, asciilifeform & all : is b-a pgp going to use vsh for hashing ?
Adlai: (... but this requires customized JSON parser at the receiving side, that isn't always practical.) << pffffff (setf json:*real-handler* (lambda (string) (parse-float string :type 'rational)))
mircea_popescu: apparently it goes with cramer-shoup
mircea_popescu: !s cramer-shoup
assbot: 6 results for 'cramer-shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cramer-shoup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49941 @ 0.00027815 = 13.8911 BTC [-]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, jurov's wine is safe, i prefer a half dozen cup of teas in the morning, not wine
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: vsh << good but we want it in tandem with, e.g., whirlpool
ascii_modem: hash with each, concat, sign
mircea_popescu: well not sure abotu concat
ascii_modem: rng sampling << shift register , external clock, optocouplers
ascii_modem: not hard (tm)
ascii_modem: unfactored ?! << see log
mircea_popescu: yeh i saw. awell
trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune." be careful, you're underestimating the colossal difficulty of this and there are old skeletons on old battlefields that thought the same. *do you have the connections to make these sales to big businesses, militaries, private schools, and so on?*
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: gabriel_laddel | trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol << ftr this is exactly why I said this
trinque: "yeah I could see people buying this" is not a sales strategy
trinque: what I'd do is try to land a client that gives no shits about masamune, but needs something it can do
trinque: and try to land the client first, don't just assume it'll happen when you're ready
trinque: I've had deals that took two years to close
trinque: strike that, four on one
trinque: then you set up your contract with them such that they're paying for the specific tool, and establish with them that the license for that is distinct from the one for Masamune
trinque: and the above is by no means saying that'd be easy
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143710 <<< that site got me laid quite a few times
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:29:17; asciilifeform: l0l! that thing actually existed as something other than spam ads ?!
cazalla: was sorta like tinder for people like me in their 20's 10 years ago
mircea_popescu: seriously, you "can't spy on military" because magic ? srsly, "time is his for the asking" for being FAMOUS ? gtfo.
cazalla: kakobrekla, should work now, https://blockchain.info/address/17owg8RWb73qfE5HeQk6gg6RAgEUfxPXks is the address anyway
kakobrekla: more buttcoin dripping in
funkenstein_: ah man I wish I were in Zurri now too
trinque: http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/21/8634437/google-internet-of-things-software-report << coupla companies releasing "internet of things" operating systems. I've said a few times that this is a good market entrypoint for a small lisp machine
trinque: right alongside a bunch of competitors that are going to get brutalized by hackers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, all the nontrivial factors found have very interesting binary symmetries.
mircea_popescu: key 4.1 : 17742509903907 = 1000000100011 0000000000000000000 1000000100011
mircea_popescu: key 4.2 : 4294967297 = 100000000000000000000000000000001
mircea_popescu: key 5.1 : 7301444404 = 1101100 11001100 11001100 1100110100
mircea_popescu: key 5.2 : 270582939711 = 111111 00000000000000000000000000 111111
mircea_popescu: key 6.1 : like key 4.2.
mircea_popescu: key 6.1 : absent
mircea_popescu: key 7.1 : 98784247831 = 1011100000000000000000000000000010111
mircea_popescu: key 7.2 : 30064771079 = 11100000000000000000000000000000111
mircea_popescu: key 8.1 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011
mircea_popescu: key 8.2 : 21474836485 = 10100000000000000000000000000000101
mircea_popescu: key 9.1 : like key 4.2.
mircea_popescu: key 9.2 : absent
mircea_popescu: key 10.1 : 4294967297 = like key 4.2.
mircea_popescu: key 10.2 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011
kakobrekla: looks like comic ray to me.
mircea_popescu: let's try and count the types. first, there's two types with key 4.2. type T1.1 like 4.x and 10.x, which include a central symmetry factor 2nd key ; type T1.2 like 6.x and 9.x which does not
mircea_popescu: then there's central symmetry like in 7.1 or 4.2, but there's also simple repeating like in 4.1
mircea_popescu: and some keys are made of modules with two central symmetry factors, whereas some other keys only include one
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla verily.
hanbot: 5.1 and 7.1 better example of repeating, 101 could be just like 100000100011. 11/101/111 are all symmetric to so you don't know.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58697 @ 0.0002805 = 16.4645 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: whoa palindromic primes
hanbot: looks like a good heuristic of what factors to try first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53561 @ 0.00028575 = 15.3051 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: big congrats go out to phuctor team from dwarven contingency
funkenstein_: is there a story to go with the triangle on the middle finger?
funkenstein_: the diode?
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html propped up...but it looks no one signed someone's other patch yet?
ben_vulpes: mmm i have
jurov: can you tell where/when?
ben_vulpes: right before the release
ben_vulpes: xmitted a *mess* of resigned patches
ben_vulpes: probably fucked it up some way
jurov: looks like you haven't used the patch IDs
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ the what now ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot yeah actually, not bad heuristic.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupidly) that IP would take the form of gpg signatures on "i will not
ben_vulpes: send this code around to anyone
mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like downloading phuctor's P and trying all these types of divisors on it see if we already contain one
ben_vulpes: else", unenforceable just like the rest of the gpg contracts
mircea_popescu: seeing how it wouldn't trigger unless we find two
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and how do you distinguish who squelched ?
ben_vulpes: y'can't, i know.
ben_vulpes: but for a bezzleplay, it ain't bad.
mircea_popescu: i don't get how it'd work.
mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << i suspec this is representative of what we'll be seeing in future in any btc-for-general-public venue.
Adlai: "phuctor's P" << you mean Π(∀n) ?
mircea_popescu: abject begging. sort-of like what englishman venturng in asia would see.
mircea_popescu: Adlai yes
Adlai: RIP assbot
ben_vulpes: BigCorp wants training software, is willing to pay for the professional services to make it happen and another chunk of cash for the software already written.
ben_vulpes: "you may use this yourself, diddle its internals as you see fit, but you may not distribute it to others"
jurov: ben_vulpes: can you explain what exactly you produced signatures of?
ben_vulpes: it's a fiat contract, not a serenissima contract.
mircea_popescu: and once a third party has it, what do you do ?
mircea_popescu: "clearly, you breahed the contract" "did not" < unresolvable dispute
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: same thing microsoft does. 'you have a copy of my software, pay up'
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: focus on milking the fools and don't worry about the cheaters.
mircea_popescu: then all software will be bitcoin gems.
ben_vulpes: bezzleplay, mircea_popescu.
ben_vulpes: jurov: i signed the patches as i downloaded them with my mail client.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul. << WELCOME, BROTHER
jurov: then why are all .tar.gz.sig?
ben_vulpes: must be extreme derpitude
ben_vulpes: i'll redo them all.
jurov: yes. pls mind the instructions about file naming so that the filename contains original patch ID
ben_vulpes: so sorry.
jurov: it's a bit complicated and i don't know how to make it better
ben_vulpes: derping against complicated processes is my lot in life
jurov: going off, later!
ben_vulpes: night jurov
trinque: ben_vulpes | BigCorp wants training software, is willing to pay for the professional services << this may work if the service is training, not masamune
trinque: we build your training program, happens to be in this thing, how bout that
trinque: selling the distro sounds like certain death
trinque: incidentally this was one of the angles we were trying to work out with PSU re: daterbase
trinque: did not work out, at least up til when I left
trinque: wrote this whole interactive notebook thing for learning SQL
trinque: I think in the best scenario, you've just got enough revenue to float an R&D department, and you stick a few guys on it
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo probably scam but ya boy pac-man is fronting a bitcoin sportsbook https://vitalbet.com/#/esports
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: not every dislike is a phobia. to say nothing of "insufficiently enthused tolerance"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20455 @ 0.00028365 = 5.8021 BTC [-]
decimation: because serious busienss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77904 @ 0.00028912 = 22.5236 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47091 @ 0.00029207 = 13.7539 BTC [+]
trinque: "The Loper OS Project aims to remake computing. I am aware that others have tried and failed. Laughing? The job is not nearly as difficult as it sounds." << woah, there was an optimistic alf
decimation: yum install python-alsa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69235 @ 0.00028124 = 19.4717 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: "The contract was signed between Mr. Ver and “OKCoin”, failing to detail the legal entity with which Mr. Ver entered into a contractual agreement with." << hilarious
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