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mircea_popescu: well yeah, i guess it is a buzz kill.
drmandude: Still. You'd think you'd get out at least what you put in
drmandude: for winning
mircea_popescu: well, bitbet takes 1%. if you don't get at least 1% from the winnings pool, you walk out short.
pankkake: Arnold Rothstein bet?
drmandude: yeahhh
drmandude: i also bet on some others
drmandude: this was just the first to come in
mircea_popescu: lol hi there. you were mentioned in despatches earlier.
drmandude: rothstein isn't killed by anyone in BW empire so I was like...f no is he dying
pankkake: yeah, we actually predicted you!
drmandude: Sorry I'm a noob to this. Not trying to make trouble :-)
pankkake: well the issue was both weight and really few Yes
mircea_popescu: drmandude the idea here is, that if a bet runs for say a month, and you put 1 btc when it opens, some dude betting like 3 weeks later can't get as much as you do of the winnings
mircea_popescu: so there's a weight, by time.
drmandude: totes makes sense
mircea_popescu: the result of this is that if you bet very late you may end up with like a <1% loss
drmandude: i misinterpreted the calculations on my end
drmandude: i got nervous because bitbet has some some bad press
drmandude: im sure you saw a few twitterss
drmandude: but then it just showed up
mircea_popescu: i don't follow twitter actually.
mircea_popescu: the girl makes btctalk reports which i occasionalyl read.
drmandude: they were talking on bitcointalk and reddit
pankkake: you probably don't want to bet on anything that doesn't get you at least a few percents, not worth the risk of losing vs. winning
drmandude: im realizing that. I was getting the hang of it.
pankkake: yeah, it's fun
BingoBoingo: drmandude: This problem is why I prefer shooting from the hip and betting as close to open as possible and then defending my stake as other people bet.
drmandude: consequenrtly, this conversation just happened
mircea_popescu: drmandude you can easily verify it pays because well... go to an opld bet, click on the payout links
pankkake: I'm happy with my last month despite mostly losing :D
mircea_popescu: you see the payouts on blockchain
ozbot: BitBet - Novak Djokovic to win at Wimbledon 2013
drmandude: yeah mircea_popescu the issue was some idiots without confirmation or payout addresses that expire and call foul at bitbet
pankkake: BingoBoingo: "defending my stake"?
mircea_popescu: drmandude yeah.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Yeah, curating the odds, hedging on the other side if someone dumps a large bet that skews things.
ozbot: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
drmandude: so you guys predicted me, the guy that lost money on a win, to come complain?
pankkake: I mean, I am offended, I am a tech person.
pankkake: hehe
drmandude: you have every right to be
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: drmandude ^
pankkake: drmandude: I want to send you 0.0006969 BTC
pankkake: wow it even has two 69. magic
mircea_popescu: pankkake i imagine she got a buncha people's small cow with springs by that comment.
pankkake: wow so that thread was about claiming that BFL delivered
mircea_popescu: actually. that thread was about claiming that bitbet is a scam because bfl delivered and bitbet resolved the bet WRONGLY!!!
mircea_popescu: course bfl hasn't delivered yet
mircea_popescu: but that's ok, because while bitbet is still here, the "community" of one is gone,
mircea_popescu: to be replaced by a different "community" of one.
ozbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i suppose mpoe-pr should give the 10 bitcoin guy the buttcoin picture and make it all even.
pankkake: I'd love to be that guy
pankkake: "best investment in my life: putting stuff in my ass"
kakobrekla: from ass to asset
BingoBoingo: The Buttcoin will probably go down in history with the Bitcoin Pizza http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/ I imagine fresh buttcoins are probably down to 0.01-0.05 BTC
mircea_popescu: pankkake ironically, all teh peeps ranting about how bitbet is a smalltime this that and the other,
mircea_popescu: blissfully ignorant of good stuff like this.
mircea_popescu: it really helps my lols.
pankkake: if I had bitcoins to spare I'd probably spend my days doing similar stuff
pankkake: people will do anything for a few coins
mircea_popescu: pankkake you probably also missed out on
ozbot: [QRK] QuarkCoin giveaway - 26k to donate
mircea_popescu: ;;google valiant prince mp echo chambers
gribble: gorilla vs. bear's albums of 2012: <http://www.gorillavsbear.net/2012/12/02/gorilla-vs-bears-albums-of-2012/>; Valiant prince MP explores the mother of all echo chambers. A saga ...: <http://trilema.com/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times>; From Valiant, The Final Warning - nesara: <http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2013/07/from-valiant- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: something awful got incredibly bothered that their "bitcoin buys nothing irl" winner argument got sunk by "here's tits, here's ass lol"
pankkake: why is it so long
mircea_popescu: it's the length that makes it good.
pankkake: (that's what she said)
mircea_popescu: anyway. this is all for me. see you all tomorrow.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: do options auto-exercise? just wondering if i need to bring my keys with me on my trip.
mike_c: ugh, did you leave? jurov, do you know?
kakobrekla: iirc its automagic but have someone confirm if its srs monies
pankkake: shit, if I want to send that 0.0006969, Armory wants to put in a fee of 0.005. madness
mike_c: thanks kako, i'll try to get it confirmed. It's srs enough.
Tulak_: The new age is upon us
Tulak_: For I have returned
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.20399995 BTC [+]
pankkake: at this hour?
Tulak_: pankkake,
Tulak_: i keep writing you naughty messages on btctalk
Tulak_: but you never replied. now im butthurt (literally)
pankkake: only got one
pankkake: Tulak_: ♥
Tulak_: pankkake, <3
kakobrekla: talk to jurov for naughy
mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
Tulak_: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 856.68603, Best ask: 864.9999, Bid-ask spread: 8.31387, Last trade: 856.68103, 24 hour volume: 27613.39658851, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 869.89, 24 hour vwap: 824.15328
Tulak_: going up i see
kakobrekla: wrong direction
pankkake: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 271568 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 699441585.558 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.75988
pankkake: if it's less than 20% again I'd be less frustrated about my lost bet
kakobrekla: what was the last time
pankkake: 19.something
pankkake: and the bet was "always 20 or over"
kakobrekla: should have plugged in ur cpu
pankkake: I started my 2 erupters again actually
pankkake: I wanted to believe
pankkake: should have solo mined
Tulak_: pankkake, you want to hear the most retard move ever done
pankkake: besides never buying bitcoins for 3 years? :)
Tulak_: nevermind ;(
ozbot: I was bored so I animated the "Bitcoin Accepted Here" image. - Imgur
mike_c: heh, sweet. boingo, put that on your blog.
pankkake: Tulak_: do tell
kakobrekla: oh wow that gif, price should be 2000 now.
Tulak_: did a bitbet which had No and Yes at around 0.9 ;)
kakobrekla: negative fucks given!
kakobrekla: for the pic to be clear.
KRS1: -fuck * -fuck = +fuck
Tulak_: let's %fuck this
pankkake: Tulak_: I don't understand
KRS1: the % of fucks who give a fuck is fuck%
Tulak_: pankkake, neither do I
kakobrekla: anyway back to the topic, labcoin.
Tulak_: who is labcoin
Tulak_: ;;ud labcoin
gribble: Google found nothing.
kakobrekla: zactly.
pankkake: google translated spams are hilarious. "the machine of thunder bitcoin mine"
kakobrekla: !l bt labcoin
assbot: Last trade for LABCOIN on BTCTC was at 0.0001799 BTC [+]
pankkake: I belive I got that one
kakobrekla: what happend then
kakobrekla: i didnt follow
pankkake: but then it was on cryptostocks
pankkake: well endless excuses and delays and now nothing, guy disappeared
BingoBoingo: Thanks mike_c, Tulak_ labcoin is just a continuation of the ancient BitDayTrade scam
Tulak_: plenty of scams atm
Tulak_: ukyo, tf
kakobrekla: yeah that alberto is such toolbox extraordinaire
pankkake: morality: do not trust Italians or Australians
Tulak_: im half italian
Tulak_: dont trust me halfway through
Tulak_: you can trust me with your money tho, but you can't bet on me returning it
pankkake: hehe
Tulak_: any decent movies running in cinema
Tulak_: gonna take my girl out. got coupons for popcorn and movies
Tulak_: need a decent movie now
kakobrekla: pankkake the italians who hate italians are just fine
pankkake: hmm. that works for frenchies too
pankkake: Tulak_: I'm afraid I never go to the movies
pankkake: I just steal them
Tulak_: :(
Tulak_: this is tom cruise doing a sad face :((
pankkake: why, he has two mouths?
pankkake: and why tom cruise
Tulak_: because he is extra disappointed in you
Tulak_: because tom cruise is awesome and is in scientology
KRS1: he is extra crazy
kakobrekla: hm Tulak_ you are in germany?
pankkake: some people tell me I look like him. though it depends on the hair
Tulak_: he is extra handsome
Tulak_: kakobrekla, jawohl mein herr
pankkake: never got my any girl
pankkake: probably because the ressemblance started when he was a has-been already
kakobrekla: Tulak_ how far from Nurnberg
Tulak_: kakobrekla, too far
Tulak_: you need someome beat up?
kakobrekla: doesnt matter if its too far but thanks.
Tulak_: its like 400km
Tulak_: im sorry :(
kakobrekla: you have nothing to be sorry about
Tulak_: BUT I DO APOLOGIZAREIERWJFAODJG
kakobrekla: do you aplogize for apologizing unnecessarily?
Tulak_: don't send me down that road
pankkake: this could be a deadly loop
Tulak_: im already talking with walls
Tulak_: don't push me too far :(
Tulak_: where is mircea?
kakobrekla: well i wont casuse nurnberg is too far
Tulak_: we need to discuss my place in the sith council
pankkake: went away right before you got here
Tulak_: as planned
pankkake: check the log, it was fun today
kakobrekla: how your connections going btw
Tulak_: so who is ukyo
Tulak_: no connections so far
kakobrekla: Tulak_ exactly
Tulak_: :(
Tulak_: i'd better shut up then
kakobrekla: Tulak_ he is some guy who ran play exhcange and was bad at it, he ended up getting a loan from tah comunitah to which he owes now 1mio or something
Tulak_: weexchange that is
kakobrekla: buttfunder
pankkake: buttfondler
Tulak_: bitfonder
Tulak_: butfinder
kakobrekla: bitfaker
Tulak_: buttfinder!!
pankkake: buttfinger
Tulak_: you mean kickstarter for bitcoins
kakobrekla: well something like that
kakobrekla: more like scamstarter
Tulak_: solo job?
pankkake: well kickstarter has many scams
Tulak_: btw, lulling at the logs
pankkake: and you don't get any profts with kickstarters
pankkake: so, yeah, like that :D
BingoBoingo: Tulak_: I might be able to give you a connection. Do you want to buy a blurry JPEG of some trees?
Tulak_: pankkake, you are getting mentioned in a game nobody will ever buy.
Tulak_: BingoBoingo, thanks but I'd rather remain a comatose shadow
pankkake: a game?
Tulak_: yea, i only read kickstarters for games
BingoBoingo: Tulak_: Shadows tend to be scams
Tulak_: BingoBoingo, if you ever see me loan or buy btc consider me compromised
pankkake: BingoBoingo: what do you mean?
Tulak_: me=myaccount
mike_c: ;;ident Tulak_
gribble: Nick 'Tulak_', with hostmask 'Tulak_!~Tulak@ip-109-44-100-0.web.vodafone.de', is not identified.
pankkake: well, I'm thinking of making a loan this next year. but in fiat :D
Tulak_: ;;ident mike_c
gribble: Nick 'mike_c', with hostmask 'mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598', is identified as user mike_c, with GPG key id 4FBC58464F910E21, key fingerprint 9086CA4627840552468FE3D44FBC58464F910E21, and bitcoin address None
Tulak_: ;;slap mike_c
mike_c: mmm
pankkake: oh, this actually exists
BingoBoingo: pankkake: People who insist on being unconnected shadows while taking deposits tend to go TradeFortress either through malice or incompetence.
pankkake: BingoBoingo: oh. well, the thing is, being anonymous has many advantages, even for a non-scammer
mike_c: pankkake, we've all seen a million pictures of you
pankkake: I mean, I'd certainly disclose my identity to key people
Tulak_: ;;ud prolapse
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Accidental%20Prolapse | When a person is extremely constipated and keeps trying to defecate, even when they shouldn't. There are three signs that you are close to an accid...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Accidental Prolapse
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Yeah. I don't think anons could ever run deposit services worth trusting though.
mike_c: you posted a picture of your feet just the other day
Tulak_: No one should trust anons running a service
Tulak_: cause once the bank fills up, they be gone in no time
pankkake: wasn't me
pankkake: some people are genuinly nice
pankkake: I believe I am. I can be an asshole when talking to people but I don't steal or anything
truffles: a saint
Tulak_: or a sinner
pankkake: probably read too many books about how natural law is the greatest thing ever
BingoBoingo: Eh, at a minimum people should at least have GPG keys and all the other requirements for personhood filled.
pankkake: sometime I feel people only don't steal because it's "illegal"
truffles: thats a rare thing
pankkake: I have GPG keys but with not enough bits
pankkake: I am 1/4person then
truffles: pankkake u might be right about the illegal
pankkake: well, stealing is every glorified sometimes… I don't think those people are really evil
pankkake: s/every/even/
truffles: we're all capable of evil so..
pankkake: true
truffles: so u dont just draw the line at stealing?
truffles: guess ill have to look into this natural law
truffles: wonder if its modeled off the 10 commandments hmmm
BingoBoingo: Eh, evil isn't so bad. You just have to pick the right kinds of evil. Theft is bad evil. Selling fake Paleo beef jerky that is half wheat hulls and half lactose is awesome kickass evil.
Tulak_: BingoBoingo, bookmarked
truffles: how would one know of product contents to determine this kickass evil
pankkake: BingoBoingo: giving cancer is evil
pankkake: that's like that crazy bugchaser thing
truffles: failed to think one would do that on purpose, but figured it was corners cutting..
BingoBoingo: pankkake: IRC causes cancer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.00219897 = 0.4156 BTC [+] {3}
Tulak_: feeling it already
truffles: but here we r
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Theft and robbery are the coolest of all crimes.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, they have nothing on Disorderly Conduct
truffles: stealing is cool 0.0
pankkake: thestringpuller: you must be working for bitbet
thestringpuller: pankkake: bitbet couldn't afford my robbery services
thestringpuller: payoff too little
thestringpuller: that nigga got nothin' on bender
pankkake: well that's the thing, so many movies where stealing is cool
truffles: the detail he puts in to his tasks pretty cool imo
pankkake: where is it from?
pankkake: when I watch the typical spy movie I feel for the people who get cars stolen or destroyed
truffles: White Collar tv show
truffles: there are ppl who steal highway signs n random road things just cuz
truffles: thats just sad
pankkake: at least they could steal the speed meters
truffles: or those orange cones
Tulak_: ;;ud rape
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rape | A crime. Quite terrible in nature. Often causes sever phycological damage to victim. Forced sexual intercourse. Often very violent in more then jus...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: rape
pankkake: phycological damage
Tulak_: .S
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [+]
Tulak_: Quite terrible
Tulak_: oO
truffles: unless person is sadist, i think both will be in psy damage
Tulak_: ;;ud truffles
Tulak_: oh comeon ffs
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=truffles | A species of mushroom which contains some edible varieties.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: truffles
truffles: ;;google truffles
gribble: Truffle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle>; Wild About Mushrooms: Truffles: <http://www.mssf.org/cookbook/truffles.html>; Chocolate Truffles Recipe : Alton Brown : Recipes : Food Network: <http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/chocolate-truffles-recipe/>
Tulak_: yay
Tulak_: Venat!
truffles: ;;google Venat
gribble: Venat - Final Fantasy Wiki - Wikia: <http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Venat>; Venat | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/TheBloodyChamber>; Final Fantasy 12 - Vayne Meets Venat - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cibQCyJr4Qs>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0018 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.426 BTC [-]
Venat: more fitting
truffles: for what
Venat: Tulak was registered alread
Venat: and i was forced to use tulak_
Venat: -.-
pankkake: if the nick wasn't used for a long time, you can ask freenode to release it
pankkake: 8 weeks, probably not enough
truffles: cant imagine any1 else wanting to be called truffles :D
pankkake: why not?
truffles: cuz its mine
truffles: muahaha
thestringpuller: ;;ud work
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work | A worldwide slave labour organisation used to control modern man and prevent independant thought from occuring in any form. This is the reason it's...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: work
Venat: ;;ud rapper
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Backpack%20Rapper | backpack rapper- Person who dislikes Mainstream and Commercial rap a lot. Person who raps about real life shit that matters and has experienced, ra...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Backpack Rapper
ozbot: CANOE - Lifewise LatestNews: White truffles worth more than gold at Italian auction
thestringpuller: ;;ud work
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work | A worldwide slave labour organisation used to control modern man and prevent independant thought from occuring in any form. This is the reason it's...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: work
truffles: chocolate ones are teh best
thestringpuller: !ticker h am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.31250000 / 0.3546657 / 0.43979999 (324 shares, 114.91168541 BTC), 7D: 0.23500000 / 0.4107217 / 0.58289999 (2647 shares, 1087.18033687 BTC), 30D: 0.23500000 / 0.53880394 / 0.96000000 (7144 shares, 3849.21536890 BTC)
thestringpuller: !ticker h am100
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM100] 1D: 0.00305501 / 0.00338746 / 0.00380000 (4942 shares, 16.74082523 BTC), 7D: 0.00270000 / 0.00378038 / 0.00586900 (54458 shares, 205.87206506 BTC), 30D: 0.00270000 / 0.00523676 / 0.00880000 (184570 shares, 966.54898325 BTC)
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00077981 / 0.00078666 / 0.00079063 (70250 shares, 55.26 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00080427 / 0.00085604 (1486671 shares, 1,195.69 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00180601 = 0.2149 BTC [+]
truffles: they dont look pretty do they, yet so pricey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00180355 = 0.3048 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: MPOE seems to hold its value over time given it's over a year old
thestringpuller: asicminer had a huge bubble yo
truffles: "At first, I was really freaked out. But a lot of things are said on the Internet, so I stopped being so bothered."
ozbot: ZACK AND TIFA MEET IN ENGLISH - YouTube
pankkake: who's the slut?
Venat: tifa
Venat: ;;ud tifa
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tifa | A fine, upstanding young virgin woman from Final Fantasy 7 who, unfortunately, has become the obsession of many perverted hentai artists, and has t...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: tifa
truffles: memories
thestringpuller: lol that game is still dope
thestringpuller: I got high as shit and started playing it
thestringpuller: that game made me trip balls
truffles: have not played another since 8
pankkake: google images has many cosplays
truffles: way to ruin it !
pankkake: thank god for cosplay
pankkake: and sluts
thestringpuller: they aren't really sluts though, more like attention whores
thestringpuller: you flirt with one of them and they immediately become bitchy
pankkake: true
truffles: virgin sluts hmm
thestringpuller: no whispering dirty things in the ears of the cosplayers :(
pankkake: false advertising
pankkake: scamsluts
thestringpuller: ^relevant
truffles: whore uniform, must be a myth
truffles: doesnt stop the perverts
Venat: big tits is all I need
truffles: still staring at a man wearing a skirt with belly hanging out
truffles: hope he only wore it inside..
Venat: man I wish they remaked FFVII
truffles: its just gonna have classic status, move on with ur life
Venat: or they should remake Majoras Mask
ozbot: Majora's Mask Wii U Trailer - The Legend of Zelda HD 2012 - YouTube
Diablo-D3: >2012
Diablo-D3: >never came out
Diablo-D3: problem solved
Venat: yea
Venat: it was more like a demonstration
Venat: never mind dont watch that
Venat: because there is some fuckhead at the end babbling shit
truffles: too late
Venat: ;;google lightning returns
gribble: LIGHTNING RETURNS: FINAL FANTASY XIII: <http://www.lightningreturns.com/>; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Final Fantasy Wiki - Wikia: <http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII>; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII>
Venat: ;;google lightning returns release date
gribble: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII>; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PlayStation 3 - IGN: <http://www.ign.com/games/final-fantasy-xiii-3-140567/ps3-127607>; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Xbox 360 - IGN: <http://www.ign.com/games/final-fantasy- (1 more message)
Venat: oh fuck off
truffles: itson xbox?
Venat: 14. february
Venat: i guess
Venat: ffxiii and ffxiii-2 was on ps3 and xbox90000
truffles: sigh there goes my free time
Diablo-D3: +ticker
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 866.01037, Bid-ask spread: 0.01037, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28202.48782982, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 870.0, 24 hour vwap: 826.92686
truffles: thought i saw under 800 recently 0.0
BingoBoingo: ;;sell 195000
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
pankkake: well 24 hour low: 765.0
BingoBoingo: ;;sell 19500 BTC
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
pankkake: ;;market sell 19500
gribble: A market order to sell 19500 bitcoins right now would net 14570023.6211 USD and would take the last price down to 607.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 747.1807 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0022 seconds
pankkake: sell is for OTC
Venat: what the fuck
BingoBoingo: ;;market sell 195000
gribble: A market order to sell 195000 bitcoins right now would net 37537295.7322 USD and would take the last price down to 4.0200 USD, resulting in an average price of 192.4990 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 19.0587 seconds
truffles: why is google telling me it wont happen venat
Venat: truffles, not happen what
truffles: 7 to xbox
Venat: not 7
Venat: but ffxiii-3
truffles: puke
Venat: dont be so harsh
ozbot: Final Fantasy VII NES restoration sees release - Destructoid
Venat: they tried the hardest
Venat: ;;ud lube
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lube | Short for "lubricant." Commercial product used to lubricate sexual intercourse, often anal sex between two men. Lube allows the penis to enter the ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: lube
truffles: enter the ??
Venat: grotto of pleasure
Venat: Lube allows the penis to enter the anus without pulling or tearing of the anal tissue. It also allows time for the anus to expand and accept the incoming phallus.
kakobrekla: just spit
truffles: wont u need like a bucket of spit, lube solves this dilemma
kakobrekla: dunno how you manage to do that, i dont
Venat: a bucket of spit
KRS1: !seen vexual
KRS1: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 20 hours, 19 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Vexual> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEEWE7gcPw0
KRS1: lol that ho
Venat: ;;seen KRS1
gribble: KRS1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 minute and 3 seconds ago: <KRS1> lol that ho
truffles: u want party KRS1
Venat: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 52 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> anyway. this is all for me. see you all tomorrow.
Venat: ;;seen TradeFortress
gribble: TradeFortress was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <TradeFortress> I especially love their 64 (?) core servers when the deadlock is probably db locking.
thestringpuller: what do you want with the chairman, Venat ?
Venat: nothing, yet
Venat: Nancy lives on 480 acres in the middle of nowhere with horses, a donkey, dogs, cats, and chickens, and stays connected by satellite.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Venat: I have a billion dollar idea for you
thestringpuller: hoodrat acquisition service
Venat: spare me the bullshit
thestringpuller: no fo realz
thestringpuller: everyone needs hoodrats
thestringpuller: I need hoodrats right now
truffles: ;;ud hoodrat
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hood%20rat | A girl who sleeps with various men in the neighborhood. Usually noticeable via her slacking standards of personal care.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: hood rat
Venat: ;;ud trailer trash
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trailer%20trash | Derogatory description for person who seems well-suited to residential life in a mobile home park and is distinguished by poor hygiene, foul langua...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trailer trash
Venat: trailertrash equals hoodrat?
KRS1: kinda
KRS1: trailertrash ~ hoodrat
KRS1: Is it just me or does this seem scammish http://bit-mining.co/
Venat: 27/7 On-site Technical engineer
Venat: lollololool
Venat: the technical engineer uses a timemachine to be there for you for 3 extra hours
Venat: whoever wrote the text on the site is a moron
Venat: does not seem so legit
Venat: I'll be off for now
Venat: I got pressing matters, that need my full attention.
Venat: Hark!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00378 = 0.189 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00199427 = 0.1057 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 999 @ 0.00011198 = 0.1119 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00379429 = 0.2239 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00379329 = 0.3262 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c yes they autoexercise.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
mircea_popescu: as anon says, this thread is motherfucking epic.
mircea_popescu: people who bet no early stand a chance to see even 10x their bet.
mircea_popescu: pankkake you'll have to write-up the many advantages being anon has for me sometime.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4249 = 1.2747 BTC [-]
cazalla: world cup should bring some interesting bets next year
cazalla: would a prop bet on the outcome of a player collapsing and dying on the pitch from natural causes be a bad bet?
cazalla: not really inciting violence if it's heart or drug related
mircea_popescu: yeah but still.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you don't name any person it should be fine
cazalla: resolves yes if any player from any team collapses and dies on or later off pitch during world cup 2014
cazalla: would need to be worded better i guess
mircea_popescu: especially because everyone will die later
mircea_popescu: also, too early to start that sort of wc bet now, because the interval nov 2013 - june 2014 or w/e it starts is just dead air
cazalla: and they would be declared dead after being taken off the pitch and to hospital
mircea_popescu: so you'll end up in june with low weight and people not wanting to bet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 258 @ 0.00179999 = 0.4644 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00199488 = 0.1755 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 276 @ 0.00199494 = 0.5506 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.00199499 = 0.2953 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 865.10001, Best ask: 868.989, Bid-ask spread: 3.88899, Last trade: 868.989, 24 hour volume: 28551.92748968, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 830.89783
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2820 @ 0.00056769 = 1.6009 BTC [+] {2}
jurov`: http://bitcoinscammers.com/bitbet-us/ you re famous and notorious nao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 31680 @ 0.00074565 = 23.6222 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: bitbet.us
jurov`: ^^ lol i did not time this :D
Venat: For I have returned
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.bbet
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.00073111 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00055 volume: 34500 btc: 25.2233 7 day: average: 0.00067992 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 42645 btc: 28.995025 30 day: average: 0.00067537 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 66542 btc: 44.94034702
Venat: mircea_popescu, good morning lad
Venat: former Tulak:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o i see, someone's made a buncha bets too
Venat: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 869.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99999, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28661.26816051, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 831.17248
ozbot: Can someone explain these charts? :)
mircea_popescu: shaping up to be bitbet's best month to date or some shit.
Venat: facepalm. someone bought bitcoins on kraken.com and wants the candles explained
mircea_popescu: well, he does state he's using a little capital.
mircea_popescu: in that sense bitcoin is great, cheapest finance teaching tool available.
Venat: true
Venat: man, newbie prison is awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
Venat: ;;ud snatch
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snatch | 2. snatch. The second most horrific sounding nickname for the human female's genitals(after cunt). ... "Yo Jeff, I lost my arm in your Grandma's snatch last night!".
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: snatch
truffles: ure on a roll with these terms
Venat: just expanding my horizon
Venat: ;;ud snitch
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snitch | 1. A person who tells on someone. 2. A bum of a person.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: snitch
truffles: watching the Wire or something?`
Venat: not at all
mircea_popescu: you know you can expand your horizon in the privacy of your own broswer.
Venat: ok.............
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.391 BTC [-]
bitesak: seems mpex has not been quoting options for a few days now?
kleeck: Oh shit.
kleeck: You guys see this?
ozbot: mcxNOW Shutting Down? WOW | CryptoSource
BigBitz: If those reasons are legit then it makes sense.
BigBitz: he wants to ensure quality/support over the long term. Small shut down to regain himself might help.
bitesak: what?
kleeck: Really? It's legit to open an exchange, raise money for shares of your exchange, and then close down because, "Oh, I have to support this?"
BigBitz: Hasn't he said he's returning the coins?
BigBitz: or have I grossly misread that?
kleeck: I haven't read anything about mcxFees yet.
truffles: said take money, need break
bitesak: grossly misunderstood
BigBitz: Hmm to me he wants an opportunity to overhaul it - naiveity might be strong in me this morning though.........
truffles: needs break to find help?
bitesak: he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them
kleeck: So anyone who has shares in mxcFEE is boned for up to 3months.
BigBitz: Oh that's lame.
truffles: This is a burden of 200 to 400 emails a day among many requests on IRC and through chat.
BigBitz: LRN2HIRE.
truffles: good help is hard to find dude
BigBitz: No doubt...
BigBitz: Nejc from Bitstamp uses only his close friends and all are local - no people from outside Slovenia in his team.
BigBitz: Wise man...
Apocalyptic: lulz BigBitz
Apocalyptic: can't believe you're saying mcxNOW is legit
BigBitz: I am?
BigBitz: Where did I say that?
kleeck: Yeah. How much did he make @ IPO of mcxFEE?
Apocalyptic: you didn't say it exactly word for word, but it's the impression you male
bitesak: by inferring the reasons put forth can be legit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [+]
kleeck: I'm not familiar with RealSolid's history, but it seems that he has done similar things in the past.
Apocalyptic: kleeck, he raised some millions I believe
mircea_popescu: bitesak yeah, trouble getting teh price signals.
mircea_popescu: kleeck yeah yest or w/e
Apocalyptic: yeah, the MicroCash story
kleeck: Apocalyptic, if only you could get help for under one million...
BigBitz: scan reading an article and saying "if those reasons are legit" isn't exactly a glowing reference as to how it performs as an Exchange :)
BigBitz: I only know one person who has actually used mcxNow - I haven't :)
kleeck: Even his reasoning makes no sense. "This site is custom built on C++ so no one else can help, need to shut down. Well, the real reason is that I get emails...which no one can help with so... Oh yeah, and IRC complaints. No one can help with those either."
kleeck: Sounds like you need a small helpdesk. One to Two level one techs can deal with all that.
BigBitz: to me it read like he wanted to overhaul it and bring other people in... again - not exactly a glowing reference. His previous reigns didn't exactly pan out well...
kleeck: That's kind of my point BigBitz is the issue the site or the support?
kleeck: He isn't consistent.
mircea_popescu: <bitesak> he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them << this
BigBitz: kleeck depends I guess... if he wants someone to help him re-write maybe? who knows..... but not returning the actual bitcoins is criminal :D
kleeck: "All existing mcxFEE holders will have the same mcxFEE balance when the site relaunches. I’m allowing people to trade mcxFEE up until December 20th in case they want to exit them."
kleeck: "in case"
kleeck: lol
iwilcox: Back when mcx opened people seemed to be treating it like "I don't need ASICs, got me another kind of money-printing machine!" — I suspect some think they have a foot in a door or something and won't sell
mircea_popescu: those same people that refuse to take good advice and do all their "investment" on just dice
iwilcox: Yeah, them.
kleeck: Wow. The dude raised 11000 BTC.
kleeck: I'm sure the rise in BTC price has nothing to do with it.
bitesak: I would like to think that is not true...
kleeck: Surely looking at nearly 9million isn't a factor here.
mircea_popescu: kleeck he raised my foot.
bitesak: I mean the 11K raised. Do you have a btc address with some reasonable expectation it is linked to this outfit?
mircea_popescu: he raised 30 btc and self traded for the rest in the hopes of seeming like he's got interest
mircea_popescu: the burnside method, tho it was really pioneered by goat on glbse.
kleeck: No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC.
kleeck: People gave it to him.
kleeck: in exchange for shares of the site.
Apocalyptic: yeah mircea, i don't believe he faked trading on those
Apocalyptic: people were just insane about how innovative it waq
mircea_popescu: dude get out, people gave him 11k btc.
kleeck: I haven't done the math. But that's what his forum thread is saying.
mircea_popescu: o i see. well if a forum thread says so then that must be it
kleeck: Actually Drawingthesun pretty much called it back a few weeks at IPO close.
mircea_popescu: he got ~30 btc from a dozen or so retards.
mircea_popescu: the rest is smoke.
kleeck: Haha. First post on the thread: They're not trying to raise money, they're trying to cash out. The site is ready and operational, so it doesn't need to raise additional capital.
kleeck: Prophetic.
kleeck: I mean, he may have padded the share sales, mircea_popescu, but I was chatting with a number of people excited about this site and wanting to invest in it.
mircea_popescu: i have chatted with a number of people pissed off at bitbet.
kleeck: I imagine so.
kleeck: But, yeah, there is no way to verify the numbers behind the scenes.
mircea_popescu: i think you overestimate the importance of what anon dork says in a chatter box by anywhere between 500 and 54677695 degrees of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: yes, there are plenty of ways. just, not accessible to the public.
ThickAsThieves: <kleeck> No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC. <<< that's unlikely
kleeck: This is what we're discussing ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: oh mp already said that
kleeck: I just conceded that we can't really know outside of what this guy says.
kleeck: I'd say he raised enough to make the venture worthwhile.
ThickAsThieves: it's part of how the scam works
mircea_popescu: kleeck there's multiple ways to know. one is to know all the people who acrually could invest 10k.
ThickAsThieves: great a huge wave and see who sticks their toes in
kleeck: And he at least paid off his "C++ Web Development for Dummies" book.
ThickAsThieves: create*\
mircea_popescu: another is to be one of the visible people to whom people come with questions as to credibility of entrepreneurs.
mircea_popescu: a third is to employ a basementful of gnomes to constantly scan the blockchain
truffles: lotta cynics today
ThickAsThieves: i see no cynicism
mircea_popescu: there's ways. just, nothing at the level of where average redditor's resources are.
truffles: until he bails, ill go with yall jelly
kleeck: At this point if you're not a cynic you're not paying attention.
Apocalyptic: mircea, did actually someone ask you about what do you think of RS ?
kleeck: RS? RoadSilk?
mircea_popescu: someone asked me what i think of rs at least each day since the ipo.
mircea_popescu: someone asked me what i think of tradehill 2.o so many times i had to write a fucking article about it
mircea_popescu: and etc.
BigBitz: what do you think about BitBet stealing 10BTC, mircea_popescu? :D
ThickAsThieves: my first instinct with mcxnow, before the "IPO" was that it's a scam, then once the IPO came I did like 3min of research to discover the guy was indeed shady
BigBitz: yeah ThickAsThieves as I said ^^ his other reigns were interesting...
mircea_popescu: that dude. he pretty much has it.
ThickAsThieves: hopefully most noobs' lesson-learning was cheap
Apocalyptic: had the same instinct TAT
kleeck: ThickAsThieves, you were close. I believe you suggested ponzi, but it was actually crash and grab. I'll award you 3/5 Scam Detection Points.
kleeck: SDP, new AltCoin. Dibs.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu :)
mircea_popescu: srsly, it's not so hard to figure out the guy, one need but read his genius coin solutions,
mircea_popescu: with the unspendable coins and whatnot
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if one day ponzi will just be redefined to mean 'bitcoin scam'
mircea_popescu: Peter Leeds of the Penny Stock newsletter put it to me this way: “In a matter of months you won’t be hearing about it. It will go the same way of Paris Hilton. People will move on to the next thing.”
ThickAsThieves: maybe we should choose a term like "a labcoin"
mircea_popescu: let it be entered into the record that peter leeds of obscure shithole has no future in finance.
mircea_popescu: “Every big idea starts out sounding crazy. But not every crazy-sounding idea ends up being big,” Matthew O’Brien wrote in The Atlantic in a brilliant takedown of bitcon.
mircea_popescu: further entered into the record that matthre o'brien may never be hired in any white collar capacity.
mircea_popescu: learn to plumb or learn to not eat matt.
mircea_popescu: "But if, and this is a big if, your peer-to-peer transaction doesn’t work properly, there is no central clearinghouse to complain to."
mircea_popescu: jesus god. this guy is retarded wtf.
ThickAsThieves: now imagine that when i first read the article, i thought it was written by AARON sorkin
ThickAsThieves: i was lolling it up
mircea_popescu: ANDREW ROSS SORKIN may not be employed. plumb or starve.
mircea_popescu: lol the "you can't handle the truth" giuy ?
mircea_popescu: that'd have been something...
mircea_popescu: "In truth, the best bitcoin can hope for is to be a second-rate version of gold, if that"
mircea_popescu: no srsly. this is like reading whitehouse sponsored pulp as to why obama is not a fucktard.
mircea_popescu: "all the people saying he's a fucktard are racist and also they didn't check their privilege"
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 881.1, Best ask: 886.1, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 881.1, 24 hour volume: 29975.65641520, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 887.0, 24 hour vwap: 834.25535
ThickAsThieves: i havent looked, but i bet the article also has some choice supporting comments
ThickAsThieves: "If it is digital, it can be hacked"
mircea_popescu: should i link to the trilema article about linking analog intercoms i wonder.
mircea_popescu: about hacking*
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
mircea_popescu: this thing's shaping up, 13:11 btc so far. what do ye say ?
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Current Blocks: 271609 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 550 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693619225.587 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.80458
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 693619225.587 based on data since last change | 703797499.444 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: do we cross 2bn in 3 months ?
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, but wtf is bitcoin gonna be worth this Spring?!
mircea_popescu: possibly more than gold.
ThickAsThieves: awww do all bets get a scam warning spam comment now?
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: freedom of speech eh.
ThickAsThieves: in the kingdom of BitBet? how benevolent
ThickAsThieves: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 12176618 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37739636.1638 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.4974 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 1000
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 890804.4712 USD and would take the last price up to 897.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 890.8045 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 31.3673 seconds
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: always been teh case!
kleeck: .d
ozbot: 609482679.88835 | Next Diff in 546 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3034% in 3d 6h 46m 9s
dexX7: maybe snackman is mp and this is just a marketing stunt
turbo_ac100: Hi, I submitted the "CIPHERTRADE will go live on 02-01-2014 " bet. Rejection reason is " Needs better specs". The spec was: People are able to submit new assets.
turbo_ac100: Any better ideas
mircea_popescu: dexX7 nah it's some dorky kid from pa
dexX7: haha i know :)
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 hard to make. as it stands, your bet would be satisfied by a ciphertrade.tripod.com webpage including a form where you can type text and that then gets published
dexX7: tripod? :D
mircea_popescu: this sorts of bets aren't accepted so as not to transform bitbet into a revenue source for the forum scammers.
mircea_popescu: (otherwise the business model becomes, make 50 forum accounts, herp a lot about some new "exchange", make bitbet bet, profit)
turbo_ac100: seems legit...
mircea_popescu: myeah. the idea is to limit scammer revenue streams.
ThickAsThieves: what if you assigned the bet to Kate instead, like "a crypto-currency based securities exchange will open that Kate-Craig purports to be a partner in ownership"
ThickAsThieves: or whatever
mircea_popescu: then kate can just decide which way the bet closes
mircea_popescu: this isn't a bet in any sense.
ThickAsThieves: by not opening her exchange?
mircea_popescu: you can't have a bet that goes "The Pope will say if this bet wins or loses"
ThickAsThieves: surely bitbet already has some of those
mircea_popescu: not as far as can be helped
ThickAsThieves: like all bets relating to a ship date or opening date
ThickAsThieves: pretty easy for the business to control the outcome
mircea_popescu: except they have actual economic incentive not to.
dexX7: aren't those "exchange x announces it's closure within a year" bets similar?
mircea_popescu: random scam with no business does not.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 no because those have to face withdrawals.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure i'd classify cipherstuff as random scam
mircea_popescu: see, the idea is for a bet to be about more than just the bet itself
mircea_popescu: to avoid creating betting black holes
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves on the grounds of what verifiable fact ?
dexX7: deprived is on the boat
ThickAsThieves: well, i know i'm not a random scam
turbo_ac100: dexX7, true that
mircea_popescu: but i know you've paid people.
ThickAsThieves: and i have done many of the things she has
mircea_popescu: who exactly has this thing paid ?
ThickAsThieves: i suppose
mircea_popescu: it's a big difference.
ThickAsThieves: well she's run her assets for a long time and not disappeared
mircea_popescu: "run her assets".
ThickAsThieves: ignorning any delving into the quality of the assets
turbo_ac100: ThickAsThieves, ...without reapearing.
ThickAsThieves: my point is that she's super trustworthy,
mircea_popescu: (tbg the theory where kate/craig = the newest identity of the obsi glbse scammer is one of the better)
ThickAsThieves: so much as hard to pin down as not trustworthy
ThickAsThieves: i'm not a fan of some of her ways
ThickAsThieves: but i cant find scamming
mircea_popescu: in some circumstances it's presumed.
ThickAsThieves: <ThickAsThieves> my point is NOT that she's super trustworthy,
mircea_popescu: yeah i gathered.
ThickAsThieves: also, spekaing for Deprived, he is not officially part of her exchange at this time
dexX7: what criteria do you suggest to get a bet including ciphertrade listed on bb?
ThickAsThieves: but may be at some point
ThickAsThieves: dexx7, thats your problem to solve it seems
Apocalyptic: TAT, as far as I know he's jut an "advisor"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know, this sort of using repuitable member's naivite... that's how labscam worked with theseven for instance.
mircea_popescu: this is a huge black mark rather than anything else.
ThickAsThieves: yeah, my guess is Deprived was initially down to join, and is now unsure
turbo_ac100: Apocalyptic, he said he considers listing DMS there. Nothing more afaik.
ThickAsThieves: so his name is attached
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i dunno. something that can be verified.
ThickAsThieves: maybe find out the domain name they intend to use?
mircea_popescu: and also something that is hard to do. putting a website up thereupon numbers are displayed is no sort of achievement.
mircea_popescu: this is what seems to be lost on all the forum tards : so you made a webpage. well done, you're now 15. so ?
ThickAsThieves: make the criteria "mircea popusecu can make an account, but a share, sell it, and get his money out"
mircea_popescu: lol right
mircea_popescu: more liek, S.MPOE will be listed on ciphertrade. that's a bold bet, i'd bet on it.
mircea_popescu: so i gave this chick the task to find the original latin version of the "friends, romans, countrymen" speech.
mircea_popescu: she's still searching for it.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea what they teach in school these days, but it definitely isn't english.
mircea_popescu: well it's fuckin shakespeare you know ?
mircea_popescu: it has no latin original.
ThickAsThieves: just use google translate, i'm sure you'll be fine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3909 = 0.7818 BTC [-]
bloctoc: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 minutes and 17 seconds ago: * mircea_popescu fumes
Apocalyptic: turbo_ac100, https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php?topic=7176.0 , see under Advisory board
Apocalyptic: it would be pretty foolish to list him if he wasn't involved
turbo_ac100: hm yeah. Could of course be that he gave advice a couple of times and that was that.
kakobrekla: that girl cant run an asset, how can she run an exchange?
mircea_popescu: wow litecoin forum is at 7k topic index ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39999999 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: Other features planned from the outset include:
kakobrekla: A fully live AJAX-driven site
Apocalyptic: turbo_ac100, that's not my definition of "advisory board", i.e. i would be pissed if someone mentionned me on that when all i did was answered 1/2 questions
kakobrekla: YES MORE AJAX!!!1
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the funniest part to me is the proeminent "paybans for the chatbox"
Apocalyptic: lel kako
mircea_popescu: that's a great revenue stream, for exchanges.
Apocalyptic: people need real time updating and more javascript shit
kakobrekla: ah stop spoiling it for me im not there yet
mircea_popescu: o sorry.
turbo_ac100: Apocalyptic, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg3655452#msg3655452 this reads differently. "But we are NOT committed (in the sense of having promised to go there) to it - and, at present, I am not committed to being involved either as part of the operational team for it OR as an investor in it."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you can't really expect the guy to chase all over obscure forums to correct deliberate misrepresentation by interested parties. he made a statement, it's good enough.
kleeck: Wow.
kakobrekla: im through now
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, indeed
Apocalyptic: wasn't aware of that statement
kakobrekla: this will end like nefario/burnside/ukto/worse
kleeck: Working through a third part vendor for one of the companies my company acquired. Asking for the software licensing key and the chick sends me the EULA for the software. /facepalm.
kleeck: "Well, it has the word 'license' in it!"
Apocalyptic: thanks turbo_ac100 somehow i missed this statement
turbo_ac100: I remembered it less harsh, too.
ThickAsThieves: why does everything that is purely informational have to be "harsh" to people
ThickAsThieves: should he have used more cuddly words?
kleeck: "The problem the department has always had in investigating Julian Assange is there is no way to prosecute him for publishing information without the same theory being applied to journalists," former Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller said.
ozbot: Julian Assange unlikely to be charged in US
ThickAsThieves: hopefully they can solve that problem
ThickAsThieves: plenty journalist worth arresting
mircea_popescu: ya but they'd arrest all the other ones.
kleeck: I don't think Obama wants to add a "War on Journalism" to his repertoire.
ThickAsThieves: they are doing fine on their own
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4 = 3.2 BTC [+]
kleeck: Are you talking about poor journalism? Because I'm talking about good journalism, i.e. whistleblowing or avenues for such.
mircea_popescu: if they arrested huffpo, salon, vice etc in corpore that'd be pretty cool.
kleeck: hey. I like Vice.
ThickAsThieves: <ThickAsThieves> hopefully they can solve that problem <<< twas a joke
kleeck: They may not be real journalism but they're fun.
kleeck: :P
mircea_popescu: not nearly enough tits for that.
mircea_popescu: if they had an editorial rule that all writers must send tits first, then i'd relent.
turbo_ac100_: ThickAsThieves, harsh was English fuckup. I meant unambiguous or sth like this.
ThickAsThieves: poor asicminer
ozbot: KnCMiner Launches 20nm Neptune ASIC Bitcoin Miner With at Least 2TH of Power : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 strong.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't recall, did they ever deliver on their previous planets ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00214796 = 0.479 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: a a yes now i recall not recalling before
mircea_popescu: i dunno why it's so difficult this one :D
ThickAsThieves: maybe next year only 3 companies will remain and itll be eays
mircea_popescu: yeah. right.
mircea_popescu: because things do get easier over time. this happens.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.38155814 = 16.407 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00374 = 0.3441 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.418 = 0.836 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4199998 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: thos AM1 ask orders are not showing up on the books in havelock
ThickAsThieves: yet they are being filled
ThickAsThieves: topace ^^ ??
ThickAsThieves: LTC almost $14
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 262 @ 0.00374962 = 0.9824 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 338 @ 0.0037807 = 1.2779 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: i was staring at the orderbook when those last few trades went off, and they never showed up
ThickAsThieves: i assumed it was just lag for the livebooks
ThickAsThieves: so i started refreshing a bunch
ThickAsThieves: and thats when the last trade or two fired
topace: yea hte "live update" doesnt yet add new orders
topace: it only removes cancelled orders
topace: then whole page reloads every 30 seconds (maybe its 20?)
ThickAsThieves: make it live-er plz!
topace: yea
topace: its "on the list"
topace: :(
topace: i just hired another full time employee
ThickAsThieves: you sound like Ukyo now
topace: heh
ThickAsThieves: you spoiled me
topace: except i have an office, a phone number, and a whole team (currently 6 in my office)
topace: they just arent all dedicated to havelock unfortunately
ThickAsThieves: which one is assigned to cater to each of my whims?
topace: ol that'd be me :(
topace: becuase im foolish enough to hang out on irc
jcpham: me too bro
jcpham: me too
topace: brings me back to my DoD days.. ahh the 90's
jcpham: i found a cult of the dead cow sticker in an old book the other day
ThickAsThieves: topace when are those Neptunes sposed to ship
topace: Q1/Q2
topace: pretty vague
ThickAsThieves: thats some range
ThickAsThieves: also, i heard that KnC uses eASIC, is that true?
topace: i think its like.. "end of q1, early q2"
topace: but knc is pretty good about underpromise/overdliver
topace: deliver
topace: yea knc is cell based asic i think
topace: or smoething
ThickAsThieves: you pretty much have to with the rabid bitcoin masses
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 870.599, Best ask: 877.0, Bid-ask spread: 6.40100, Last trade: 877.49999, 24 hour volume: 30617.54264616, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 896.0, 24 hour vwap: 839.94739
topace: i wouldnt be surprised if the neptunes are 4-5TH by the time they ship
topace: ThickAsThieves: i just checked the past AM1 trades, no problem there, there'ss exsisting orders on both sides
topace: and they make sense
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt be surprised if the diff is 4-5b by then too
ThickAsThieves: just seemed odd, it must just be that trade bot is fast
Diablo-D3: FAST BOT IS FAST
ThickAsThieves: just delay all bot orders for 60s plz
topace: hehe
topace: yea, the api gets hit pretty heavily
topace: probably 30-50 requests/second
topace: at times
topace: (not contstant)
topace: probably average 10/sec though over time
assbot: 123!
ozbot: Vicco to consider paying police chief in Bitcoin - hazard-herald.com
mike_c: that guy is awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5394 @ 0.0000881 = 0.4752 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000087 = 0.522 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078569 / 0.00078981 / 0.00079063 (29950 shares, 23.66 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.0008004 / 0.00085604 (1339765 shares, 1,072.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: dopeness
thestringpuller: haven't seen that name in awhile
ThickAsThieves: hah Garr255 negrated me on forums finally, for negrating him "illegitimately"
ThickAsThieves: appears we both have default trust
thestringpuller: people trust forum ratings?
jurov`: yea, but only the legitimate ones
ThickAsThieves: i suppose it depends who you ask
ozbot: How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Venat: Thank you midnightmagic
Venat: mircea_popescu, *
jurov`: phew, just generating either unique addresses or unique amounts is near trivial
jurov`: harder is to actually detect incoming bitcoins if you don;'t want to do it by hand
mircea_popescu: jurov` trivialer to generate ammts i think
jurov`: since dudes around here are trying to make bitcoin POS
jurov`: we had some meditations around doublespend detection, tx propagation and such
jurov`: and there will be much more
mircea_popescu: yeah but you gotta appreciate, that's exactly the other end of the spectrum from what im discussing
pankkake: KnC announces "Neptune", 20nm miner
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 885.31107, Best ask: 896.99499, Bid-ask spread: 11.68392, Last trade: 883.22307, 24 hour volume: 31502.25733348, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 843.94834
ThickAsThieves: time to break ATH
jurov`: yes, i appreciate it's only for simplest stuff
jurov`: still, the actual processing part is completely missing
mircea_popescu: at that level it's supposed to be done by hand by the one guy who's the business.
jurov`: yes. i guess his email needs to be in Cc or Bcc
mircea_popescu: it sends two eh ?
jurov`: and he should be able to keep track of stuff so that he doesn't credit account twice or such
mircea_popescu: he just watches the one address
jurov`: yes . then he notices the last digits and <troll>reverses the hash to obtain the email. easy </troll>
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so your method is for people with treasurers?
mircea_popescu: herp lol. it's salted.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller my method is for people trying to sell online. like say nubbins.
thestringpuller: yes, but your article implies this is manually done and not automated
thestringpuller: what if nubbins is too busy doing nubbin things?
mircea_popescu: like what ?
ThickAsThieves: like processing credit card orders!
thestringpuller: like painting pretty pictures of women, or smoking blunts with hip hop artists
mircea_popescu: he can't automate it, he will have to mail it. himself.
turbo_ac100_: mircea_popescu, Haha "How to process Bitcoin payments" actually sounds like you were writing for people you don't despise although you suggest they don't know what a salt is.
thestringpuller: yes exactly but in terms of generating an invoice
mircea_popescu: so once he sees a new payment, he searches his inbox, finds the relvant receiver and goes mail
turbo_ac100_: What happened? :D
nubbins`: morning
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100_ better to explain what doesn't need to be explained
mircea_popescu: than to not explain what could have been useful.
nubbins`: well. afternoon
thestringpuller: yes, but that means nubbin's takes the role of treasurer?
ozbot: Second major Bitcoin heist this month allegedly takes over $1 million | The Verge
nubbins`: don't put me in charge of money
thestringpuller: reconciling the order from his inbox to the address is still a manual process
thestringpuller: wouldn't that be best served by a treasurer?
thestringpuller: someone dedicated to that task?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the order in his inbox is the address
thestringpuller: ah so it reconciles itself! the message in the inbox == the invoice
thestringpuller: makes more sense ty
nubbins`: i received three calls from UPS today, two robots and a person
nubbins`: you'd think they'd just make the one call, since all three packages are from the same sender
mircea_popescu: replace obama administration with ups
nubbins`: replace obama administr... yeah
nubbins`: srsly tho
ThickAsThieves: UPS for president!
nubbins`: nooooo
pankkake: "If he had any decency he would offer a buy back at 0.2, save some of his name, show that he has belief in the site... and he would still be 5 millions good."
pankkake: guy stole only half my money so he's decent!
mircea_popescu: these fuckwits
mircea_popescu: just go on jd already omg
ThickAsThieves: plz only steal enough so that i dont lose money sir
pankkake: yeah they should, cause I'm still down on jd :(
mircea_popescu: you know we laugh at this, but these are voters
mircea_popescu: and this is how their life works.
nubbins`: i raked it in on jd and then cashed out
nubbins`: can't get any luckier than that, so i stopped
mircea_popescu: pls obama only steal enough so i don;'t lose money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00375 = 0.2138 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it bothers me more that he is making money, than that they are losing money
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
nubbins`: tat, does it generally bother you when people lose money? ;)
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a7e3ff911e16f8fe42897565cdab5b3fa41e6bd9940e85f4469096b4
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
ThickAsThieves: well i'm certainly not wishing ill will on people
nubbins`: there's middle ground in there
ThickAsThieves: m even pretty tolerant of ignorance
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bloctoc 1 works for mfoundry, all around reasonable guy.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bloctoc has been recorded.
nubbins`: i gotta print book covers today, some girl is getting us to publish an excerpt from one of her diaries
ThickAsThieves: interesting
nubbins`: it's a real fuckin downer
nubbins`: i mean, the job itself is ok
nubbins`: the diary is a downer
nubbins`: also poorly written, but what do you expect
mike_c: how many copies?
mike_c: are you binding them?
mircea_popescu: 50 copies of a diary ?
mircea_popescu: i mean either make like... 5, for your grandkids
mircea_popescu: or else 5mn
ThickAsThieves: maybe its for her funeral
mircea_popescu: diaries should not exist in the middle.
nubbins`: well ya know. a lot of the stuff we publish is more for a release on the part of the author than for anything else
mike_c: nubs, are you typesetting?
nubbins`: mike_c: yep
mike_c: wow, lot of work for 50 copies.
nubbins`: we've published a bunch of stuff from this guy who spent a few years in the bughouse
nubbins`: really, really strange stuff
nubbins`: actually a good read, but he said he mostly wants to get it out of his head rather than make a fortune off it
Venat: nubbins`,
nubbins`: let me find you an excerpt
nubbins`: but it was too late for all that, the buggers held full control, so all rooms are now hospital. the candy cart of medication wheels behind me, manacled by psychotic chains. lines of division have been dissolved. this letter is also spoken live in the minds of all others. medication is food. Rx is smoked. food is smoked. all useless as light dripped from bulbs into splashing puddles of light upon th
nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'
nubbins`: John the Baptist runs soap suds over the brainstem, each bubble is Electroconvulsive therapy raining from the fingertips of classical musicians. we sit upon psychedelic mushrooms like sleeping toads. these toads are pharmacists...pharmacobotanists.
nubbins`: flies spit antipsychotic froth on their tongues & wheel about cheap paint walls. all hospitals are life now
nubbins`: ^ that's right in the thick of it there
mircea_popescu: meh. read burroughs be done with the sort of crap. at least that's my experience.
Venat: Do you enjoy Faldbakken, nubbins` ?
nubbins`: yeah, heavy burroughs/bukowski influences there
ThickAsThieves: ive read this before
ThickAsThieves: have you linked images of it?
nubbins`: yeah, promo posters
nubbins`: Venat: not familiar
nubbins`: oddly, my mother enjoyed reading it
nubbins`: altho she said the ending was disappointing
nubbins`: we made a bunch
ThickAsThieves: it's like reading pink floyd the wall
nubbins`: you know, they're not joking when they say not to take LSD and watch that movie
nubbins`: anyway, we have i think 4 or 5 copies of the first edition left if you're looking for xmas gifts for the weirdos in your family
mike_c: somebody needs to wake up the chinese
mike_c: ;;premium btcn mtgox
gribble: Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -2.11807954545 %.
ThickAsThieves: let them sleep
ThickAsThieves: it's hard work buying bitcoins all day
mike_c: i think this means that usd is a scarier bet than the yuan right now.
ThickAsThieves: wikipedia wants me to donate with a pop-up, but no bitcoin option
ThickAsThieves: Credit Card, PayPal, Amazon
thestringpuller: USD interests rates are about to skyrocket so I wouldn't hold yuan for too long
pankkake: donating in fiat should get you tax breaks though
nubbins`: oh hey, $850 on virtex, that's an ATH
mike_c: gox missed ath by $1
mike_c: $2
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how do you figure ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03697998 = 0.1849 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: it shouldn't come as a surprise with QE-Infinity
phungus: QE TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
mike_c: they've been struggling lately
mircea_popescu: who was asking earlier about why mpbot ain't quoting ?
phungus: they can't taper without throwing markets in to turmoil
phungus: it's a huge catch-22
mircea_popescu: they have been talking about it for 3 years.
mircea_popescu: taper = food shortages in the us.
mike_c: i don't follow that. seems not tapering -> hyperinflation -> food shortages.
mike_c: so food shortages either way?
mircea_popescu: it's not a question of food shortages being avoidable.
mike_c: ah. i gotta go to the grocery store. brb.
mircea_popescu: well pretty much. whadda ya want
mike_c: :)
thestringpuller: lol reading this article is like reading the beginning of the monetary apocalypse in the US
thestringpuller: history in the making :(
mike_c: what's the big deal? what's a $4 trillion balance sheet among friends?
mircea_popescu: basically the continued qe makes repatriation of all assets from the us a slow process
phungus: we're fucked every which way with QE
mircea_popescu: gives the voters the opportunity to learbn slowly, move their diets towards govt cheese over a few years
mircea_popescu: tapering may ignite a gold rush
mike_c: you mean..
mike_c: a bitcoin rush!
mircea_popescu: and that's well... harder to pretend "we're progressing" and that dietary restrictions are "for your own health"
nubbins`: y'know, i started stockpiling food and water long before i started stockpiling precious metals and btc
nubbins`: priorities, yes?
mircea_popescu: this stockpiling theory...
asciilifeform: 'the lead standard.'
mircea_popescu: suppose you were the one guy in leningrad with a basement full of ham.
nubbins`: so you get to stay in said basement and never come out for fear of being ripped to pieces by hungry neighbours
nubbins`: win-win
ThickAsThieves: so now you have a lot of ham and people to eat
mircea_popescu: because they can't force their way in. you can't currently keep the police at bay from your basement
mircea_popescu: and you'kll somehow keep a horde at bay. through what means.
nubbins`: well, the police only know i have stockpiles of food because i've entered it into the public record.
pankkake: that's why you should actually stockpile tanks
nubbins`: waaaaaitaminute
pankkake: and/or bunkers
mircea_popescu: i guess you could always threaten to post on bitcointalk if they scam you of your ham...
ThickAsThieves: i stockpile stockpiles
nubbins`: hahaha
asciilifeform: airplanes.
asciilifeform: a stockpile of one might suffice.
mircea_popescu: an airplane stockpile,
mircea_popescu: with maple syrup
nubbins`: anyway, it's not a bad idea. suppose you get laid off, having 6 months of food is a big help
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i can't remember a time when my largest expense was food.
nubbins`: suppose the power goes for the better part of a week in the dead of winter. having a big pile of kerosene is a big help
mike_c: my stockpile
nubbins`: suppose the faucet starts spitting brown water. having a big pile of jugged water is a big help
ThickAsThieves: you stockpile .jpg files?
nubbins`: tat, suppose something happens to my wife?
mike_c: yes. smaller than bmp
mircea_popescu: mike_c i see your stockpile and i rase you a titpile. http://www.smeddley.com/crafts/crochet/pile-of-boobs.jpg
nubbins`: nice tits
mike_c: oh wow. you win.
deadweasel: nubbins, what happens if the police decide they want your stockpiles?
deadweasel: why would you enter it into the public record?
asciilifeform: why on earth would you do that
mike_c: he already did. about 20 lines up.
ThickAsThieves: we know about your ham bro
deadweasel: NSA nubbins' record: Lots of HAM in basement.*
nubbins`: deadweasel: i'm hoping the local cops won't know about log.bitcoin-assets.com
nubbins`: anyway, this isn't the usa where every neighbourhood has a swat team
deadweasel: yeah, moved away from those areas too.
nubbins`: anyway the police are generally fuckups here
nubbins`: hahahahaha
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's not water, that's soju
nubbins`: now THAT'S a stockpile
mircea_popescu: it's low co2 mineral water, best in teh world
mircea_popescu: ;;google perla harghitei
mircea_popescu: gallon bottles, 2 pellets.
nubbins`: (and they seriously sell it in jugs like that)
nubbins`: ahhh
nubbins`: soju is also available in juice box form
asciilifeform: re: stockpiles, useful advice: https://unsee.cc/gatewu/
jurov`: at least they don't sell fiji water in romania i hope
nubbins`: nod, i've told nobody but you guys about my stockpiles
mircea_popescu: you can have my titpiles, they come back to me anyway
asciilifeform: "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'
mircea_popescu: they believe no such thing.
mircea_popescu: people, generally, will make any claim that seems on the balance of the moment to yield them more beans.
asciilifeform: "when hunger seizes people, food becomes an obsession, and folks search memories as well as cupboards for relief...'
mircea_popescu: belief is entirely a different matter altogether
nubbins`: people will justify any action to get what they want
nubbins`: "fuck him, let's take it" is more than enough justification
asciilifeform: the article is more or less a list of 'don't's.
ThickAsThieves: ltc at $16.4
mircea_popescu: perhaps the deeply seated, secret reason why bitbet policy struck such a chord with the multitudes.
mircea_popescu: they feel threatened when it's a case of "you fucked up, you're fucked"
mircea_popescu: that means their usual "fuck you, we want yoru stuff" is perhaps not the be all, end all.
ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th
mike_c: asciilifeform: great story about the firewood. not often you read recent historical accounts of this kind of stuff.
asciilifeform: don't be the ham in leningrad. 'need to know' is the useful keyword. your mother (and youtube) don't need to see what caliber you prefer. etc.
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: lot of hurricane katrina horror stories on the survivalist forums
nubbins`: cops raiding houses where generators can be heard
mircea_popescu: heh. yep
nubbins`: armed bandits roaming
nubbins`: great reading, some of it
mircea_popescu: in the current us cops are strictly pacified barbarian tribes, "keeping the peace" a la cumans in the old republic.
ozbot: How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: vote o redditors
ThickAsThieves: i feel guilty saying this, but i just found like 600ltc i didnt know i had
mircea_popescu: the seat cushions of #bitcoin-assets shall become more fabled than those of the shah of iran
mircea_popescu: "and then looking through old stuff i had in the fridge i found an emerald"
pankkake: well at least you americans have guns
pankkake: around here mostly cops and military
nubbins`: even the cops weren't allowed to carry guns here until recently
nubbins`: well. rcmp always had sidearms
pankkake: most of ours cops don't either
nubbins`: rnc had shotguns that they had to keep locked in the trunks of their cars
pankkake: but they probably have access to them
nubbins`: they all have sidearms now too
nubbins`: would rather deal with rnc than rcmp any day
nubbins`: the mounties are pricks
nubbins`: from coast to coastr
nubbins`: first example that comes to mind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41699993 = 1.251 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 274 @ 0.00379879 = 1.0409 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00385 = 0.1271 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, all the "survivalist" crap understood as "o hey i store dried beans and ammo rounds" is nonsense
mircea_popescu: survivalism means, keeping a large enough group of determined individuals, who once govt collapses move in to take over
mircea_popescu: seek out and execute all law enforcement of any type, hang all political representatives of the old stystem in the town square and leave them there to be eaten by the crows
mircea_popescu: then get the people to come up with a new constitution and so forth.
deadweasel: we should do this every year.
mircea_popescu: in practical terms, becoming an enforcer in your local drug trade is much more survivalistic
mircea_popescu: than storing some beans.
asciilifeform: the 'survival' folks aren't all preparing for the same scenario.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform regardless, they WILL all live the same scenario.
mircea_popescu: either they're the new power or they're the new cows.
mircea_popescu: i guess once you've decided you shall be the cow it may make sense to try and ensure you're a particularly milky one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00080752 = 1.5747 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but generally, survival means getting quite well used to the idea that you will be killing for all sorts of reasons
mircea_popescu: and for no reason at all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03697998 = 0.3698 BTC [+] {4}
jcpham: i'm ready for urvival mode i think
jcpham: definitely mentally and emotionally
jurov`: oh, how did you prepare mentally?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Just as one would expect, the invisible hand of the market fails to make itself visible, but it is plain to see that fuel is no longer delivered to either of these communities, although in the second one some fuel is likely to still be available on the black market, at prices that very few people can afford."
mircea_popescu: can't tell if trolling or retarded quite to the degree ?
jcpham: jurov`
jcpham: damn keys
jcpham: i'd say i'm mentally prepared from a lifetimeof bullshit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like an accurate description - the caviar sold in the warsaw ghetto right up to demolition day, etc.
mircea_popescu: by the invisible hand ...
asciilifeform: by many inefficient little hands.
mircea_popescu: but he just claimed it fails to make itself visible...
asciilifeform: he is referring, i think, to the american belief that 'market' can provide for ad infinitum continuation of 'business as usual.'
mircea_popescu: well that'd be retarded i guess.
mircea_popescu: the invisible hand doth not denote this hand that'll do what you bid it do.
mircea_popescu: it doth denote instead this hand which will beat you until you do what it bids you.
asciilifeform: it's been phrased as 'invisible tentacle, rapes well.'
mircea_popescu: Unaccustomed to operating outside the law and having few connections with the criminal underworld, they are slow to penetrate the black market, which now offers the only way to obtain many necessary items, such as food, cooking fuel and medicines, including the items that had been previously looted from their own stockpiles. Worse yet, they once again become estranged from one another: their acquaintances and friendshi
mircea_popescu: ps were formed within a peaceful, civilized, law-abiding mode of social behavior. When they are forced to turn to scavenging, outright theft and looting, prostitution, black market dealing and consorting with criminals, they can no longer recognize in each other the people they knew before, and the laboriously synthesized community again dissolves into nuclear families.
mircea_popescu: ahaha NUCLEAR FAMILIES
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
asciilifeform: and sometimes 'what do you want me to do? ... no mr. bond, we expect you to die!'
mircea_popescu: is baby jesus going to come back too ?
mircea_popescu: no nuclear famblies ye morons. married men are dead men.
mircea_popescu: " The children, who are already in the habit of roaming the streets in gangs and harassing and mugging strangers, now come to serve as the community's early warning system in case of an organized incursion."
deadweasel: ^ how so? because they're families drag-ass, get them killed?
mircea_popescu: he gets that part right. children always were humanity's dispensable test pod.
asciilifeform: there ought to be a way to organize the african child soldiers meeting american children.
asciilifeform: 'cultural exchange!'
mircea_popescu: deadweasel because they care about more shit than normal people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lemme grep the log.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "A safe and congenial environment for you and your children is obviously very nice, much better than trying to survive among social predators." ummm.... we just went through why it's very very bad. wtf is with this guy.
asciilifeform: well, being a turkey is nice, except for that one day
mircea_popescu: i fail to see it. it's not nice throughout.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15159992 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: nice from the livestock perspective.
mircea_popescu: so is he here speaking as livestock or as not livestock ? i get confused.
mircea_popescu: perhaps so does he.
asciilifeform: afaik, his attempt (recently concluded) was to preach to the livestock
Venat: man I need to fucking kill somebody
asciilifeform: he wrote it off, as a waste of time
mircea_popescu: The current way of changing the rules involves lobbying, deliberation, legislation and litigation—time-consuming, expensive activities for which there will be neither the time nor the resources. There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems
mircea_popescu: dude totally should look into bitcoin
mircea_popescu: preferably starting with my comments as to what bitcoin court
asciilifeform: people occasionally ask orlov about btc
mircea_popescu: oops i mean bitbet
asciilifeform: he replies 'no mains power, no btc'
asciilifeform: you should tell him about slavecoin-over-shortwave.
nubbins`: wait, you mean we need infrastructure for btc to work?
nubbins`: next you'll be telling me that computers are required too
mircea_popescu: nubbins` amusingly, neither is the case.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: good news! they aren't...
deadweasel: There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems
deadweasel: that is the issue in US
mircea_popescu: deadweasel bitbet just decomplexified court proceedings by abourt 9 layers.
nubbins`: blockchain chain letters?
mircea_popescu: bitbet did the same to a number of different processes, even if teh community has not quite grasped how
nubbins`: enlighten me here
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anything the computer do you can do, by hand
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to the livestock, a court that can't have them shot isn't a 'real court' quite yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy with "his" 10 btc onfiscated seemed pretty shot.
asciilifeform: still ambling about as zombie, though.
asciilifeform: who will put him to rest?
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you think about it, bitbet isn't "a betting site". bitbet is bitcoi ncourt, which is to say a quick and flexible system to resolve disputes.
nubbins`: well yes, obv it can be done by hand. is that feasible?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anything is feasible to the hungry.
pankkake: hard to prevent double spend
mircea_popescu: pankkake why ?
nubbins`: you find a hungry person who can transcribe a 16gb blockchain to paper
nubbins`: and i'll be impressed
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be 16gb
pankkake: let's say you give him a tx or even a private key to pay the guy
asciilifeform: pankkake: this is where the shortwave comes in.
mircea_popescu: pankkake will have to be hashed.
mircea_popescu: just like today's mining.
nubbins`: how many H/s can the average hungry person perform?
nubbins`: seems like we're talking possible vs probable here
pankkake: yes, but the time to spread the info will be very long
asciilifeform: picture Curta calculator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curta) for sha...
mircea_popescu: tbh, it will probably be the case that the new ipos wioll be all about "mining slide rule" producers
pankkake: bitcoin relies on spreading blocks and txs quickly to everyone
mircea_popescu: "quickly".
mircea_popescu: that's meaningless. "as quickly as feasible". if there's no internet that quckly slows down
mircea_popescu: but it remains quickly.
asciilifeform: btc sans electric is more or less Hawala.
pankkake: anyway the no internet/no computers thing is silly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, mechanical calculators and hashing ftw.
nubbins`: pankkake, it's but a solar flare away
mircea_popescu: pankkake just because you happen to be culturally immersed in the computers-and-internet thing
pankkake: no, the thing is, remove computers, you kill a lot of much more important stuff
nubbins`: i dunno guys, if there's no more power grids, i don't think people are going to start constructing babbage machines
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu that's the most brilliant idea yet!
thestringpuller: a mechanical hash miner!
thestringpuller: babbage machine for the bitcoin world!!!!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: no general-purpose crunchers, sure. but there are people sitting on crates of soviet valves. there will be radio.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` depends which people.
thestringpuller: that would be good in the bitcoin museum of awesomeness
nubbins`: more realistic is a herbert-style setup where the rich have rooms full of slaves performing calcs
asciilifeform: i started a mechanical sha design once.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hence the slavecoin he referenced way up
asciilifeform: for no good reason.
nubbins`: o look!
mircea_popescu: it's been a private joke for a while this
nubbins`: leel
ozbot: Bitcoin Scammers & (Other Cryptocurrency Scammers)
mircea_popescu: not particularly novel.
jcpham: idk wtf that is
Venat: noob question: What happens to the TX Fee?
jcpham: bu there are non scam sites on it
ozbot: Marble adding machine - YouTube
pankkake: every bitcoin website is in it
jcpham: oooohhhh
mircea_popescu: Venat goes to the miner that mines it
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is there a way to airgap a machine, but still communicate with mpex?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller sure. at the worst copy the gpg blurb by hand to another machine
nubbins`: tx fee = a meal
deadweasel: fuckin A patents trolls.... how could they?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, use a qr gun, or an acoustic modem or anything
mircea_popescu: deadweasel jury = idiots.
nubbins`: couple of old printer/scanner combos
nubbins`: any number of ways
deadweasel: even a witness that says "I BUILT THIS TWO YEARS BEFORE" doesn't cu tit?
deadweasel: cut it?
deadweasel: que tits!
pankkake: see u tits
deadweasel: cute tits, nubs.
Venat: mircea_popescu, so I can mine transactions?
ozbot: The marble adding machine
mircea_popescu: venat when you mine a new block, you can include any number of txs in it.
thestringpuller: all the txs fees in that block go to the miner
mircea_popescu: the 25 block reward along with any btc that was input in those tx but not output (ioe, the fees) you keep
thestringpuller: who mined it
Venat: thanks for clearing that up :)
ozbot: French drug dealer sent tax bill on estimated income - FRANCE - FRANCE 24
pankkake: now they "estimate" your income :o
nubbins`: now that's progressive
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's getting quashed on appeal.
nubbins`: y'know, there was a canadian guy who had a multi-million dollar marijuana seed selling business
nubbins`: he paid hefty taxes each year, wrote "marijuana seed vendor" on all his returns
nubbins`: nobody really seemed to mind
nubbins`: then the rcmp arrested him and extradited him to the usa, a country in which he had never been, and there he sits in prison
nubbins`: obvious implication is that you can expect to get deported to riyadh if you mail a porno mag there
nubbins`: wait, it's not "deported"
nubbins`: i guess just "sent"
mircea_popescu: only if you live in a shitty country to which you souldn't be paying taxes anyway
pankkake: "invited for a holiday"?
nubbins`: well, look what happened to the guy who did pay taxes!
nubbins`: until this extradition and imprisonment, do you know what was the biggest punishment for selling marijuana seeds in canadian history?
nubbins`: a $200 fine
nubbins`: pankkake: you can refuse invitations
mircea_popescu: if he didn't pay his taxes at least he could still be a vory.
asciilifeform: 'doesn't extradite to u.s.' is almost the very definition of sovereignty.
nubbins`: no canadian sovereignty under conservative rule
davout: pankkake: priceless shit is priceless
pankkake: which one?
davout: france24
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 894.00001, Best ask: 895.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.99999, Last trade: 894.00001, 24 hour volume: 32027.83208414, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 847.7564
pankkake: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 902.5311, Best ask: 902.57412, Bid-ask spread: 0.04302, Last trade: 902.5311, 24 hour volume: 33033.66530043, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 900.9, 24 hour vwap: 849.37664
pankkake: we have lift off, destination $M00N
ozbot: BitBet Scammed me for 10 BTC (properly formatted)
mircea_popescu: pankkake mike_c deadweasel davout it pains me to see you have been demoted
mircea_popescu: consequently your pay grade has been lowered from tenured to mere associates
pankkake: I don't know what "associates" actually means
mircea_popescu: didn't we go through this recently ? like a lecturer
mike_c: no tenure? bullshit.
mike_c: i quit :)
deadweasel: shit, now I have to pay you then!
mircea_popescu: pls send 10 btc to the usual address.
deadweasel: wow, that demotion was ripe for trolling. thanks!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4157777 = 0.8316 BTC [-]
davout: i haven't been demoted
davout: as a matter of fact i have two reports made by pankakke that i should handle diligently
davout: i'm only mod in the french section
mircea_popescu: davout is like, tired and srs.
davout: moderating the french is srs business
davout: i should ask for pankkake to be modded, he does the work of reporting, i hit delete thread, and i get paid xD
pankkake: yeah, I already said how unfair it is
pankkake: but I definitively don't want to be a mod
mircea_popescu: if you mod him he's going to do all sorts of unconscionable stuff
nubbins`: covers printed!
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: my first time using black paper. very nice
pankkake: I've been moderator a few times elsewhere, never abused it
davout: it's like it would stick out on btctalk
pankkake: but the thing is, people then expect you to behave
pankkake: and it SUCKS
mircea_popescu: deadweasel is that a tiger and a monsanto chicken in your avatar ?
davout: make it a routine, spend at least 10 minutes a day crushing these lovely expectations
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
nubbins`: c'mon gribs, don't leave me hanging
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 940.0, vol: 35185.04603883 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 877.91, vol: 33329.11379630 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 869.8, vol: 33929.22801 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 899.99, vol: 7450.24206635 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 822.0, vol: 313.86130455 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 875.544063, vol: 40810.02500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 890.887785158
assbot: 123!
deadweasel: must be, mp. that monsanto chicken is looking mythical
mike_c: nubbins, did you know you are a competitor of the bitbet retard? http://pirateprintingcompany.com/
altoz: ;; bids 0
gribble: There are currently 11164181 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 38053035.3219 USD in total. | Data vintage: 124.5105 seconds
nubbins`: competitor implies threat
deadweasel: oh yeah! forgot to tell you nubbs!
altoz: ;; asks 9999999999
gribble: There are currently 17323.799 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999999.0 USD, worth 239506812.86 USD in total. | Data vintage: 134.7923 seconds
deadweasel: he is t-shirt guy
mike_c: no way, as soon as he fixes this: "I don't have the resources or expertise to build such a thing right now" you are in trouble.
nubbins`: all i see is free clipart and a lousy 5-min snowden stencil
nubbins`: well, i shouldn't be so hard on them
pankkake: does he even accept bitcoin?
mike_c: he doesn't have that part figured out yet
mike_c: maybe mp's post will help
nubbins`: so he's released the btc logo to the public domain, that's nice of him
nubbins`: anyway, selling stuff like this via website only is a mug's game
nubbins`: printing is a pavement-pounding business
nubbins`: unless you're threadless or busted tees
cazalla: i don't understand why anyone would wear a bitcoin t-shirt
cazalla: if i'm a criminal, i'm following you home
nubbins`: really?
mike_c: see asciilifeform's previous link. you shouldn't be advertising your stockpiles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.39289504 = 3.5361 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: wearing a three-piece suit is advertising a stockpile.
pankkake: or just steal the smartphone
nubbins`: dining at a fancy restaurant is advertising a stockpile.
mike_c: hah. well, mp doesn't agree with that book
nubbins`: driving an SUV is advertising a stockpile.
mike_c: no, because suv is useless post-apocalypse
cazalla: i can't steal you SUV as effectively as i can steal your bitcoins
nubbins`: wearing a BTC t-shirt is advertising the fact that you're a nerd
mike_c: ham in the basement (or btc) is not
pankkake: aren't SUV just cheap big cars for people who can't drive?
nubbins`: no, they're cars so assholes can stop having to tell people that they're assholes
nubbins`: and it can just be assumed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37000002 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: hmm why the rally
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 940.2, Best ask: 942.5, Bid-ask spread: 2.30000, Last trade: 940.2, 24 hour volume: 35503.67066914, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 947.0, 24 hour vwap: 855.98308
nubbins`: my roommate @ $410: "i'm going to sell half of my bitcoins when the price doubles"
mircea_popescu: reinventing the wheel, two years later. what can possibly go wrong ?
nubbins`: my roommate @ $820: "nevermind"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because bugpowder wasn't here in a while going on about the past five minutes ?
mike_c: i don't trust the price when we get this far ahead of the chinese
mike_c: ;;premium btcn mtgox
gribble: Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -7.58578947368 %.
thestringpuller: http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/ - better get in on the action soon if this happens
cazalla: looks like chinese have been buying ritecoin on btc-e
pankkake: are they sleeping?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: bets sent after the trigger of the resolution are discarded, if I recall correctly?
pankkake: thestringpuller: and donate to the shareholders? :)
mike_c: distributed as dividends
pankkake: actually, they are refunded with 1% fee
pankkake: as long as the bet is still open
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if the bet is not closed they get refunded
mircea_popescu: wow namecoin still exists ?
mircea_popescu: i thought it had died (again)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the deadpool, anyone ehard anything of the bitcoin foundation lately ?
nubbins`: i only recognize the bitcoin authority, the foundation is a sham
pankkake: namecoin had a silly bug but it's fixed
pankkake: no one still actually uses it :(
mike_c: i don't understand why the gox trading lag jumps from "2 seconds" to "35 minutes"
nubbins`: because bouncy balls instead of chairs
mike_c: it can't be two strings and a can, that's bitstamp.
mike_c: er, two cans and a string :)
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: "i can't hear you" "pull the can tighter"
mike_c: hehe
ThickAsThieves: forum quote of the day "Not to mention that the only thing pre-orders leave you with is a dick in your mouth."
mike_c: my favorite bash, it seems to be lagging. upvote! http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=5
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 922.0, Best ask: 924.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 921.16, 24 hour volume: 36586.58496110, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 950.0, 24 hour vwap: 858.58179
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 271653 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 506 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693111945.529 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.72135
nubbins`: i gave my dad half a bitcoin for his birthday back in august
nubbins`: kinda set the bar a bit high, my mom's birthday is tomorrow ;(
pankkake: give her a quarter of bitcoin, tell her she had to be born earlier
nubbins`: ha, there ya go
blastbob: i have saved 1 BTC each of my closest friends
deadweasel: Give her none, she already has your fathers
nubbins`: deadweasel has it figured out
blastbob: so when i ask them for joining me on a vacation and they say i cannot afford it
blastbob: i pull the btc card
deadweasel: don't pull it for 10 years, travel to MPs moonbase where pleasurebots pleasure you while the masses toil at manual hashing.
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: would rather the bots toil and the masses pleasure me tbh
mike_c: not us deadweasel, we're associates.
mike_c: no manual hashing for us
nubbins`: it's what, < 300 btc to go to space?
mike_c: holy shit. yeah.
thestringpuller: i think it's like 250
mod6: lol sweet
mircea_popescu: who. who does not want to wear the pleasures.
nubbins`: yeah between 250-300 depending on rate
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: robots don't belong on dicks
nubbins`: too much to go wrong
mircea_popescu: would you rather have a welt or aids ?
mike_c: with badbios floating around, you just can't trust those robots anymore
nubbins`: those are my only options?!
mircea_popescu: it's badbios not badbutts tho
pankkake: never tried a fleshlight. does it really work?
deadweasel: yes, I don't recall fondly my teenage daliance with a pool intake pipe.... dicks should not go in there, lest they never come out.
nubbins`: pankkake: in the sense that fucking anything soft will work, i'd imagine
mircea_popescu: pankkake i recall a bukkake scene where one fo the guys couldn't cum on the girl
nubbins`: pankkake: just roll a slice of bologna around your dick and squat it between two mattresses
mircea_popescu: so eventually he got some plastic blender thing, did it in that
mircea_popescu: then dutifully poured it on her
mircea_popescu: i laughed my ass off
mircea_popescu: fucking surreal.
nubbins`: CV: "can only cum in blenders"
deadweasel: i think the food-network picked him up for an upcoming late night series.
nubbins`: now that's the sort of guy who would choose the pleasurebot
mircea_popescu: as the wanker culture spreads, it'll prolly be rare for people to fuck anyway
nubbins`: shame
deadweasel: already occuring in japan, elsewhere.
deadweasel: un-interested in sex
ozbot: Celibacy syndrome in Japan: Why aren't young people interested in sex or relationships?
nubbins`: just taking a stab here, unimaginable levels of social pressure and stress?
pankkake: actually way too many pornos have guys that can't cum
pankkake: it's annoying
mircea_popescu: well for the japanese sex is hard work
mircea_popescu: all that nutty bondage and whatnot
nubbins`: pankkake: like the guys who go "HRRRRRRR NNNNRRRRRGGGGHHHH" and like 5cc dribbles out?
mircea_popescu: pankkake you couldn't cum too if you styuck a needle in your penis
pankkake: thankfully my favorite porn source has the tag "female.completion"
nubbins`: and they have to milk their dicks like empty toothpaste tubes to even get that much?
ThickAsThieves: for your new outfit?
pankkake: is that appealing to foot fetishists? i like the shoe design though
mircea_popescu: i was thinking hashslave uniform
ThickAsThieves: can it even be walked in
ThickAsThieves: looks like you;d need to keep your toes pointing out to keep the form
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3614 = 0.7228 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i guess she can scoot along
nubbins`: you'd be surprised how well people can get around on crazy shoes
mircea_popescu: she'll walk just fine once the options are well structured.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6534 @ 0.00008256 = 0.5394 BTC [-] {14}
nubbins`: like the uh, what are those japanese ones called
nubbins`: geta or something
nubbins`: i've seen people RUN on cobblestones wearing those
deadweasel: stop chasing them, someone could get hurt.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10247 @ 0.00007156 = 0.7333 BTC [-] {38}
nubbins`: nah, when i chase people, i generally don't notice their footwear
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3769 @ 0.00006794 = 0.2561 BTC [-] {15}
ozbot: Japanese man runs Honolulu Marathon 2009 in wooden shoes - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36130002 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hm actually shit video, don't bother
deadweasel: no worries, at work, can't risk nsfw in here.
deadweasel: when richard branson clad with naked woman flying a surf kite plastered across my 24" screen yesterday, I decideed no more links at work....
deadweasel: great pic tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00353316 = 1.7666 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.003511 = 0.1756 BTC [-] {2}
bVector: if I place a bet on bitbet and it gets rejected, will my funding transaction get refunded?
pankkake: if you bet while it is still open, it will be refunded
pankkake: minus 1%
pankkake: in case you bet after the fact
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
bVector: just saw the return transaction
Venat: All mistakes are easy to make if one's not particularly trying to avoid making mistakes. You could drive your car into the garage door, for instance.
Venat: roflmao
mike_c: anyone have experience (or opinion) with a good fire-resistant safe?
mircea_popescu: bVector your zeroconf ? yes, always.
asciilifeform: mike_c: a garden.
mike_c: hehe, not this.
ozbot: Garden Safe - Effective Pest Control Solutions for Your Home & Garden | Garden Safe
asciilifeform: mike_c: no, just earth.
asciilifeform: not flammable, last i checked.
mike_c: tougher for urban dwellers
bVector: mike_c: someone else's garden
mike_c: are you guys serious? like, you would bury your paper backup?
mircea_popescu: print it on plastic.
mircea_popescu: or laminate the paper sheet
pankkake: carve it
mircea_popescu: in bronze
mircea_popescu: but srsly mike_c, safes are a bad idea for holding valuables.
mike_c: i'm not thinking for burglar protection, just fire/water. i mean, what do you guys actually do? carve the backup in bronze and bury it?
asciilifeform: photo etch on a circuit board substrate. $100 of chemical junk suffices. lasts for millenia, good up to 5-600C maybe.
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: stuff of that nature.
bVector: ehh copper isnt the best for corrosion
mike_c: crazy. ok, i'll re-think.
mircea_popescu: a good solution is to gpg it and publish it for instance.
asciilifeform: it will corrode but won't come off the board.
mike_c: ah, now that's a good idea
mike_c: thanks
mircea_popescu: mike_c the reason the girl keeps saying "six months to a year" is quite this : so much shit needs pondering.
mircea_popescu: it's not directly obvious just how much.
asciilifeform: copper can also be electroplated, with damn near anything.
asciilifeform: palladium, if you like.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for the record : bronze is the most stable material in general use, by a far margin
mircea_popescu: long after the places where cities stood could no longer even be inferred by radiation measurements,
mircea_popescu: bronze statues will be largely unchanged.
asciilifeform: Au would be the champ though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well sure, or some custom carbides, or diamond.
FabianB_: looks like bitcoincharts.com got hardware upgrades
mircea_popescu: niceness.
mike_c: of course, to securely gpg it i would need a high-quality rng.. where could i get one of those i wonder.
mike_c: ascii, back to work! ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.00080893 = 12.9113 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 40 @ 0.0732525 = 2.9301 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00351 = 0.2282 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.03300006 = 0.792 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 953.50001, Best ask: 961.89, Bid-ask spread: 8.38999, Last trade: 953.50001, 24 hour volume: 34400.68269534, 24 hour low: 805.22, 24 hour high: 964.0, 24 hour vwap: 881.34339
ThickAsThieves: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 11099116 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37185831.9505 USD in total. | Data vintage: 89.0914 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 956.0, Best ask: 956.00001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 960.0, 24 hour volume: 34310.53027401, 24 hour low: 805.22, 24 hour high: 964.0, 24 hour vwap: 881.8094
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 1000
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 971019.0300 USD and would take the last price up to 979.3258 USD, resulting in an average price of 971.0190 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0586 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 10000
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 10835810.7480 USD and would take the last price up to 1247.1139 USD, resulting in an average price of 1083.5811 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 1.3082 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1000 @ 0.00011106 = 0.1111 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1380 @ 0.00011253 = 0.1553 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2654 @ 0.00008888 = 0.2359 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.369952 = 10.3587 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.41404541 = 4.5545 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03687699 = 0.3688 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 27 @ 0.0369822 = 0.9985 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.037 = 0.555 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12520 @ 0.0000725 = 0.9077 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: BFL is doing a black friday discount
ThickAsThieves: Guys! BFL miners are 25% off on Black Friday!
ThickAsThieves: i should scroll before typing
pankkake: we are on the same spam list :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00080945 = 0.9713 BTC [+]
dexX7: lol :D
jurov`: i'd prefer clay tablets for bearer bonds. gold, bronze, etc. is at risk of being repurposed to scrap metal
jurov`: babylonians knew their stuff
jurov`: if anyone wonders what the usg are doing
jurov`: moar gay couples than in manhattan
BingoBoingo: jurov`: Probably clay encased in some sort of acrylic to provide shatter resistance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4099 = 0.8198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.002125 = 0.2061 BTC [+]
[8]: does havelock have an actice IRC?
[8]: active*
pankkake: #HavelockInvestments
[8]: pankkake: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.15040133 = 2.4064 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.40861633 = 1.2258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00369984 = 0.777 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409849 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Can anyone spot RealSolid related drama I forgot to include? http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/26/cycles-repeat-themselves-mcxnow/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0036999 = 0.148 BTC [+]
dub: heh
dub: dude is a fucking retard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38133333 = 1.144 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00352642 = 0.134 BTC [-] {8}
ozbot: Sexiest Twerk Choreography... Ever?
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 936.45263, Best ask: 942.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.54737, Last trade: 936.45263, 24 hour volume: 32945.59376249, 24 hour low: 826.123, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 904.23405
Diablo-D3: dat high
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00350001 = 0.581 BTC [-] {5}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 936.001, Best ask: 939.9999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99890, Last trade: 940.0, 24 hour volume: 33022.71606789, 24 hour low: 826.123, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 904.55003
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 721 @ 0.00017586 = 0.1268 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03658999 = 0.3659 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.034501 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4070 @ 0.00008 = 0.3256 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.03500285 = 0.245 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.035 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.00196399 = 0.2985 BTC [-] {2}
truffles: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 964.51001, Best ask: 974.995, Bid-ask spread: 10.48499, Last trade: 964.51001, 24 hour volume: 32131.71552694, 24 hour low: 845.60001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 913.82817
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.001964 = 0.1925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.001964 = 0.5008 BTC [+]
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