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asciilifeform: i've also seen term 'cheese food'
decimation: now, I doubt cheetos contain any actual cheese
BingoBoingo: Cheese food is a plentiful byproduct here.
decimation: I prefer a good sharp cheddar from the southwest uk
trinque: what's the opposite of eugenics?
trinque: that's what kraft is
asciilifeform: ;;ud cruft
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cruft | cruft. 1. The dust that gathers underneath a bed, 2. Shoddily constructed or made, 3. Bad code, 4. Accumulated physical or virtual junk. Jim had to spend several ...
trinque: anyone who thinks that's food is being slowly turned into a subspecies over the generations
asciilifeform: ^ specifically the substance that gathers in mice, keyboards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150795 @ 0.00041315 = 62.301 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: ah dysgenics, makes sense
BingoBoingo: The greatest crime of American cheese is that it is radically overpriced as a nutritional measure of last resort.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, turn your adblocker off qntra.net and tell me what you think.. http://i.imgur.com/TW5xwBD.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199700 @ 0.00042386 = 84.6448 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: paybase...walmart...bahahhaha
BingoBoingo: cazalla: That shoop must've taken time
cazalla: 5m if that
BingoBoingo: Well it demonstrates there is space.
trinque: I'd rather you do the trilema thing than put ads
assbot: GAW Cloud Mining Disabled : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIrlbS )
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341257 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44653742846.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.1915
BingoBoingo: trinque: There is an adspace we tested before. Just a square in the sidebar. The right offer could either get it back or banish it for some time.
trinque: yeah that works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102647 @ 0.00044132 = 45.3002 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vKR5rzTB << am i supposed to have installed boost?
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:48:29; asciilifeform: 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147565 @ 0.00043983 = 64.9035 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja miss the part about -cross- compiling
danielpbarron: ;;later tell GunPlay get in #bitcoin-assets (hide your ip first)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: build on actual computer.
asciilifeform: don't need to install anything but the compiler & associated binutils.
asciilifeform: (under gentoo, single command)
asciilifeform: then download tarballs (you don't have to use the same ones i did, necessarily)
asciilifeform: recipe in comments in sh script.
asciilifeform: oh and avoid sd card for blockchain. it is terrible, no good, unusably slow
danielpbarron: i got a ssd sata drive, a 5400 rpm laptop thing, and a usb3 flashdrive to test
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00042611 = 34.3019 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.0, Best ask: 228.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 228.05, 24 hour volume: 18587.89257310, 24 hour low: 225.52, 24 hour high: 244.98, 24 hour vwap: 233.253251665
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108800 @ 0.00041505 = 45.1574 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: $vwap s.mpoe
mod6 looks around
mircea_popescu: <trinque> what's the opposite of eugenics? << cacogenics i'd imagine.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> BingoBoingo, turn your adblocker off qntra.net and tell me what you think.. http://i.imgur.com/TW5xwBD.png << dude wtf is that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He shooped it. Mock up of how we'd look decked out like some other sites...
mircea_popescu: gave me a start
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132781 @ 0.00042987 = 57.0786 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If he actually dicked with the precarious balance where we don't look like shit on mobile... I'da had some stronger words
BingoBoingo: I just can't wait for someone to dig up the shoop in 2 years and be like "Qntra advertised GAW" which will of course be refuted by the lol'ing here
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BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: heyo amigo
BingoBoingo: Hey, pete_dushenski You given the new look Qntra a try?
pete_dushenski checking now
pete_dushenski: lol um... new?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Check on mobile too.
BingoBoingo: But yeah, we also now gently suggest fonts your browser could use...
pete_dushenski: ya i suppose the fonts are a little different
pete_dushenski: cool i guess
BingoBoingo: And the menus go to full width when kicked to the bottom on the mobile stuff. Iteration...
BingoBoingo: Also there's an easter egg in the stylesheet text.
pete_dushenski: hey ya not bad
BingoBoingo: For the next time I have to link someone the stylesheet because they don't believe it exists.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35419 @ 0.00043367 = 15.3602 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: i'll get you next time, batman!
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol trolled hard
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.0003976 = 15.6654 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "errors" : "Warning: The network does not appear to fully agree! Some miners appear to be experiencing issues." << huh
BingoBoingo: Even though W3c sucks
cazalla: for anyone not in the know, BingoBoingo's work was born of google complaining about our mobile site
pete_dushenski: wait, google bitched and you listened?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Only listened because they were straight forward and not passive aggressive this time.
pete_dushenski: a sent you an email or something?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin went to safe mode ?
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> a sent you an email or something? << They indeed did
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mebbe ?
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341263 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1456 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44219270086.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.13882
midnightmagic: trinque: I'm not from the US, dumbass.
cazalla: midnightmagic, shots fired! oh.. hang on a sec
mircea_popescu: davout: kakobrekla: dat true << yeh namechanging sucks.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i was not gonna say anything.
midnightmagic: s/dumbass//
pete_dushenski: that was the error msg from my toy vps node running 0.9.0.3
pete_dushenski: still loading the chain actually. 2 days later at block : 322082
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski generally bitcoind goes into safe mode if it has a bad chain etc. proilly corrupted local data.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: apologies to you for my uncivil language.
mircea_popescu: form's never much of a big deal.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the resolution to safe mode being ... ?
trinque: my butt's not hurt
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski well the nuclear solution is wipe chain start sync over.
mircea_popescu: if it dun go away of its own volition
pete_dushenski: ok i'll give it some time
mircea_popescu: but look in debug.log see wtf.
mircea_popescu: jurov: yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints << he actually has a very solid point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you feel like testing a 3rd approach, can you look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: would be more economical to simply chop the connection << yup, that's why b) is in http://log.b-a.link/?date=31-01-2015#999477
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:13:36; mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
pete_dushenski: : Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /root/.bitcoin. Bitcoin Core is probably already running.
mircea_popescu: well so stop one.
pete_dushenski: then it shut itself down
pete_dushenski: i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 ...
pete_dushenski: but clearly the supermagickuserfriendly core is a turd so i might as well just go for the real deal
mircea_popescu: "6. You are finished. Breath easy, and live your life in peace knowing you will never have to deal with us again."
mircea_popescu: lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ? << wHERE?
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assbot: Police Warn Bitcoin Extortion Letter Recipients Not To Pay | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9VrHx )
mircea_popescu: just the lulzof "you are finished". the unintentional open mouth insert foot style of prose.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193100 @ 0.00039098 = 75.4982 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Police Warn Bitcoin Extortion Letter Recipients Not To Pay | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVqlCp )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just noticed that serena is through to the finals
BingoBoingo: Perlboy: Yeah, that's some bullshit. My Money's on Sharapova now, just enough to wipe the previous loss if wins.
mircea_popescu: "The astonishing truth is that despite millions of dollars and hundreds of academic careers psychiatry has made no progress in almost 20 years, let alone ten, a claim no other medical specialty can make, and the truth which cannot be spoken out loud. Hence an exam."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "economy", another us pseudoscience, has made shocking progress the past 20 years :
mircea_popescu: austerity, the definitive solution to all the problems caused by inflation and loose money
mircea_popescu: is now the problem, to be definitivel solved by inflation and loose money.
mircea_popescu: so much progress could hardly fit in a single asshole.
pete_dushenski: thankfully, the number of people have inflated too
pete_dushenski: and each has at least one backdoor
mircea_popescu: "governance" - social "studies" - "earth science" - "economy" - "psychiatry" and "computer science"
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the list of things the us has uncontributed to.
pete_dushenski: + public health
pete_dushenski: “The human mating system is extremely flexible,” Bernard Chapais of the University of Montreal wrote in a recent review in Evolutionary Anthropology. Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy.
mircea_popescu: that much is true.
mircea_popescu: there's probably a population somewhere in history that actually reproduced by flies carring sperm from splooge puddles into fetid snatches.
pete_dushenski: lol but of course, the retardosearchers go on to make unwarranted conclusions:
pete_dushenski: “Once monogamy has evolved, then male care is far more likely,” Dr. Opie said.
pete_dushenski: Once a monogamous primate father starts to stick around, he has the opportunity to raise the odds that his offspring will survive. He can carry them, groom their fur and protect them from attacks.
pete_dushenski: In our own lineage, however, fathers went further. They had evolved the ability to hunt and scavenge meat, and they were supplying some of that food to their children. “They may have gone beyond what is normal for monogamous primates,” said Dr. Opie.
pete_dushenski: The extra supply of protein and calories that human children started to receive is widely considered a watershed moment in our evolution. It could explain why we have brains far bigger than other mammals.
mircea_popescu: as far as the fabled 17% strictly monogamous cultures go... i very much doubt this ever happened. no culture in history was strictly monogamous for a strict definition of strictly.
pete_dushenski: Brains are hungry organs, demanding 20 times more calories than a similar piece of muscle. Only with a steady supply of energy-rich meat, Dr. Opie suggests, were we able to evolve big brains — and all the mental capacities that come with it.
pete_dushenski: Because of monogamy, Dr. Opie said, “This could be how humans were able to push through a ceiling in terms of brain size.”
mircea_popescu: absolute nonsense.
pete_dushenski: this is what taxdollars get you
mircea_popescu: actually i've not paid any tax dollars, but i appreciate teh intent.
mircea_popescu: in any case ; meat is not particularly energetic. fat is, but fat is widely available outside of animals : one could for instance eat nothing but aguacate and become really really smart - except it doesn't work in practice.
pete_dushenski: at least not for south americans
mircea_popescu: so... this guy is discussing interesting and otherwise important matters with all the astuteness of a virgin 15 yo girl from nantucket.
pete_dushenski: but maybe if we keep trying!
mircea_popescu: actually... i guess bernard chapais actually is a 15 yo from nantucket.
mircea_popescu: in any case there's no way to tell the difference.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, brain size per se is not well related to energetic consumption, nor to cognitive function for that matter. whales have some of the largest brains in the animalia kingdom, and somehow they're not writing stupid papers about 15yo virgin prisses.
pete_dushenski: it's not at all clear that larger brains are the function of a social behaviour, nor why they should be
pete_dushenski: right. size isn't the difference.
pete_dushenski: it's where the brain is bigger, not just that it's bigger, that's differentiating
pete_dushenski: plus gyri, sulci
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punkman: re: kendra sunderland, she's just being topless
pete_dushenski: who's she again?
mircea_popescu: steph kegels wanna-be
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:30:10; hanbot: friendly reminder to not go to the library horny: http://www.inquisitr.com/1802797/kendra-sunderland-admits-to-filming-library-sex-video/
pete_dushenski: aok so basically random no one is being charged for trespassing on campus property
pete_dushenski: not quite as bad as this poor old man:
pete_dushenski: Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni, 79, a physicist and naturalized citizen from Argentina, pleaded guilty in 2013 to espionage-related offenses stemming from a sting in which he told an undercover agent that he could help the Caracas government obtain an atomic bomb, according to the F.B.I. and court records.
pete_dushenski: dude just got 5 years
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this scam pops up now and again, the sort of salesmen that poach on old ladies selling them 55's years worth of toilet paper supplies and 19 organs join the fbi and proceed to "catch" old / mentally disabled / minorities and other vulnerable people at you know, trying to buy badbombium
mircea_popescu: then completely insane commanding officers fail to sack them and completely insane judges fail to throw the thing out and hold the idiots in contempt for a few years at a stretch.
pete_dushenski: i mean it's one thing to keep an old lady company for a few years, take her to dinner, to the doctor's, end up in her will
pete_dushenski: but this is pretty low
pete_dushenski: but hey, gotta expect it from the fbi, right?
mircea_popescu: no time to cook dinner anymore, mcd's gotta do. "i ordered takeout. what ?! it's still effort!"
pete_dushenski: so is breathing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00039325 = 37.0835 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: so reddit sez davout = karpeles nao
assbot: Mark_Karpeles_ comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwbzqW )
pete_dushenski: lol mebbe dread pirate est francaise aussi ?
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: reddit also says hashie is tradefortress
pete_dushenski: and that down is up
pete_dushenski: and that capitalism is in crisis
pete_dushenski: and that b-a is under a musty dark bridge somewhere
Vexual: so where drowned is the same as drowning, we might ise 1/30 s and the smallest apeture, an da neutral filer to suit
Vexual: make it look all dreamy and nice
Vexual: top logs
Vexual: im entirely adverese to ruinin git with music
assbot: How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVuarw )
Vexual: ill misspell instead
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski derps.
mircea_popescu: also, the problem of jooz is very simple :
mircea_popescu: their mother.
pete_dushenski: go on...
mircea_popescu: no, that's it.
pete_dushenski: i get the stereotype: naggy and whatnot
pete_dushenski: but that doesn't mean author x is going to stake his claim on a stereotype
mircea_popescu: nah, that's not it.
mircea_popescu: well first off, you introduced a stereotype by discussing jews, so we're going to do stereotypes.
mircea_popescu: how the hell are you going to discuss "jews" unstereotypically.
assbot: Boggle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVuJ4y )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's a point i suppose. but "stupid people" are subject to the same
pete_dushenski: even if the specific vices thereof are a matter of perspective
mircea_popescu: nah, there's no stereotype of stupidity.
mircea_popescu: see, there's a stereotype of a dumb blonde, there isn't a stereotype of a hot blonde.
pete_dushenski: the stereotype of the hot blonde is that she's out of your league
mircea_popescu: even if they're both meaningful constructions, they're not both stereotypical constructions. a good test being, of course, translation.
pete_dushenski: and that she's surrounded by a moat of friends
mircea_popescu: there's a lot more to it than that. big boobs, tall, a certain mouth shape...
mircea_popescu: she dun has to be surrounded by friends, heck, she's often alone, protected by the magic of her idiot ball
pete_dushenski: maybe she's alone for a minute
mircea_popescu: anyway, stereotypy's mostly a literary device. the poor man's term of art, if you will.
pete_dushenski: so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ?
assbot: Sometimes you make a mistake - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVv6ff )
pete_dushenski: i guess i just think that people would actually read such a thing
pete_dushenski: maybe because you wrote it
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the problems of the stereotypical jew : same problem as shared by all middle eastern cultures, from bulgaria to iran : that the woman is overimportant in the culture. unlike the other eastern cultures however, the jew has very little means to address this problem. can't quite start stoning innocent girls in the road.
pete_dushenski: maybe because it's on trilema
mircea_popescu: and so, he's stuck with liberal binging
pete_dushenski: liberal, if capitalist, binging
pete_dushenski: make $$ now, give it away when dead
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mircea_popescu: myeah. "frantic exertion as a decoy for impotence", as teh tlp guy likes to say
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol the narrator makes it
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-q_XCDDUF8 << whale's made a video about what mistakes seagulls make.
assbot: Biggest Mistakes Aspiring Models Make | Modeling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWt5R0 )
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ? << which term ? and nah, it doesn't.
pete_dushenski: the term: stereotype
mircea_popescu: anyway, to save teh noobs : in no case am i proposing that the bizarro atrocities of the muslims, stereotypically grouped above under " stoning innocent girls in the road" are an effectual approach to the problem [of overrepresentation of woman in their own mental space]. it clearly doesn't work, but then again it's clearly what they're trying. and obviously it's not the god damned women's fault that dudes are all hang
mircea_popescu: up on them, conceptually, either.
pete_dushenski: the efforts of moslems maybe "clearly doesn't work" at the superficial intention, but it seems to be successful a recruiting new folks
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mircea_popescu: eh, recruiting boys to do something sutpid is like finding flies to go on shit.
pete_dushenski: well them islam has the stankiest stink because it's attracting hordes of 'em
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nevertheless, examine teh devices side by side. muslim boy is like "you must wear the tablecloth on your head lest there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head". jew boy is like "mom you must not be disappointed in me or else there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head"
mircea_popescu: it's really not THAT different. which is why they fucking hate each other.
pete_dushenski: that old competition for scarce resources
pete_dushenski: but instead of water or oil
pete_dushenski: it's women to be scared of
mircea_popescu: more like "the right way to treat neurosis with home remedies"
pete_dushenski: "this is why you should be scared" "no it's not! it's this!"
mircea_popescu: obviously, there can only be one.
pete_dushenski: tiger penis soup or cockroach bungholes
pete_dushenski: take your pick
mircea_popescu: but honestly, either beats the english "if you ever enjoy anything you will die" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how the stupidest of european peoples managed to steal and run off with the stupidest corner of jewish religion
mircea_popescu: it's almost like explorer found ancient tomb, ran off with ancient pee bowl. as a hat.
pete_dushenski: the peg fit the hole i guess
pete_dushenski: as it always does
mircea_popescu: as george costanza once said, "if there's a pinhead in the crowd, i gotta be on top of it"
pete_dushenski: and as home simpson once said, "this is the snack holder where i can put my beverage, or, if you will, cupcake
mircea_popescu: lol. anyways, im off. take it ezzy
pete_dushenski: bon soir
assbot: BBC - Future - Psychology: the man who studies everyday evil ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWvevY )
pete_dushenski: “Human society is so complex that there are different ways of enhancing your reproductive success – some involve being nice and some being nasty,”
pete_dushenski: In some situations, ruthlessness may be necessary. “To be prime minister, you can’t be namby pamby – you need to cut corners and hurt people, and even be nasty to achieve your moral causes,” he says. After all, the dark personalities often have the impulse and the confidence to get things done –even Mother Theresa apparently had a steely side, he says. “You’re not going to help
pete_dushenski: society by sitting at home being nice.”
pete_dushenski: this is teh take-home point for reddit
pete_dushenski: the community will spin in circles being nice to one another
pete_dushenski: the leaders will not be nice just because of feelings
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assbot: CORDIAL MINUET ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWx28a )
punkman: ^ needs remake with btc
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jurov: midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: i don't see the bash as place to put mollification statements, they need to be funnier. it's in the log already, just have the url handy at all times
jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1662 @ 0.00094999 = 1.5789 BTC [-]
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assbot: The Castle Doctrine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cl3G4y )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9649 @ 0.00037154 = 3.585 BTC [-]
punkman: same author as cordialminuet, Jason Rohrer.
punkman: he's made some interesting games
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assbot: Changing the direction of the game (and v9 released) (Page 1) / News / The Castle Doctrine Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqKYVu )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00036729 = 11.4962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00036729 = 17.0055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93716 @ 0.00038118 = 35.7227 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00036843 = 23.1374 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85825 @ 0.00034553 = 29.6551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103950 @ 0.0003293 = 34.2307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48341 @ 0.00033906 = 16.3905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6175 @ 0.00034337 = 2.1203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51749 @ 0.00038133 = 19.7334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44866 @ 0.00038385 = 17.2218 BTC [+]
mats: wow, rcons is awesome compared to ncurses, wtf
mats: portable, small code base, no special compilations to support mice and certain colors, supports html output, supports truecolor on all platforms
mats cheers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00038385 = 12.2448 BTC [+]
assbot: Police Offer Well Surveilled "Online Exchange Zone" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/18Dba6r )
coderwill: anyone looking for a frontend dev / ux designer in here? i'm trying to find identify and hopefully work with more closely aligned people in 2015 - without moving. :)
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TomServo: !up wpalczynski
TomServo: Ahoy!
danielpbarron: oh hey it's a monero guy!
wpalczynski: yup :)
mats: get in the wot, yo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252550 @ 0.00038334 = 96.8125 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132685 @ 0.00038699 = 51.3478 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39280 @ 0.0003816 = 14.9892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13780 @ 0.0003816 = 5.2584 BTC [-]
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0003293 / 0.00039592 / 0.00044337 (6182344 shares, 2,447.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00042314 / 0.00053193 (14651525 shares, 6,199.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00049707 / 0.00068113 (43044769 shares, 21,396.27 BTC)
mod6: such vol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113200 @ 0.00038965 = 44.1084 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210532 @ 0.00038198 = 80.419 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: "I feel bad suggesting that we limit the block size at all," << there. another knife.
ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.7199 BTC. Current weight: 43,121.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79690 @ 0.00038133 = 30.3882 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;isup blockchain.info
gribble: blockchain.info is up
ben_vulpes: for some reason the "upload a public key" feature for aws has gone missing.
ben_vulpes: SUBTERFUGE
mats: o noes
mircea_popescu: jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise << i thought it was pretty funny.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics. <<< that's not even it. a princeton graduate that lives in amherst mass and has suckled the usg privilege tit all his life to the exclusion of anything else is going to make it so we can't verify bitcoin transactions or integrity anymore in order to "save africa" by allowing them microtransactions they don't either nee
mircea_popescu: d or intend to use.
mircea_popescu: a more laughably clear cut of usg-ism i've never seen, and it's utter defeat and public ridicule will do a lot not only to preserve bitcoin as "the noose that hangs the usg", but moreover as a focal point for all people who would rather live an actual life.
mircea_popescu: this isn't about one idiot guy going around at parties dressed up as satoshi. this is about how americanism failed and fails, at home and abroad.
mircea_popescu: time for something new and something better than "let's break everything so some black guy i've imagined feels better about his life".
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIyjAo )
mats: kek
mats: The reddit wallet, should it have existed, had absolutely enormous potential. The goal was to make it really easy for redditors to have and transact in digital assets, particularly bitcoin, dogecoin, and reddit notes, as well as any other assets using whatever protocol we ultimately used for reddit notes (probably colored coins or sidechains).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158100 @ 0.00037428 = 59.1737 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre
mthreat: greetings from Livingston Island, Antarctica
mthreat: well, from the boat at the moment
jurov: wave to penguins
ben_vulpes: pics! nao!
mthreat: slow internet, i may be able to get 1 pic up
mthreat: but it probably is the same as all the other pics out there :)
mthreat: and penguin shit stinks
mircea_popescu: jurov no biggy
mircea_popescu: hey mthreat !
mircea_popescu: mats redditors transacting, enormous potential, top kek.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.38179557 BTC. Current weight: 52,784.
asciilifeform: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: 11DbException \nDb::get: Cannot allocate memory \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n"
asciilifeform: ^ new type of perma-wedge
mircea_popescu: which one asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: bastard node, is going strong
asciilifeform: interestingly, this did not kill the process
asciilifeform: it just sits.
asciilifeform: i conjecture - corrupted db
asciilifeform: one too many shots.
mircea_popescu: nah, this is actually a known 2011 issue. that was obv never fixed
mircea_popescu: "get more memory!11"
mircea_popescu: anyway, can you kill it ?
BingoBoingo: jurov> i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre << Same here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84210 @ 0.00038117 = 32.0983 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: killed, restarted
trinque: BingoBoingo: later yelled at me that he wasn't american, and also leave britney alone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the march fork yielded a lot of that too
asciilifeform: bastard node is running under 'valgrind', incidentally
asciilifeform: ~12h now
mircea_popescu: good move.
mircea_popescu: what count is it on ?
asciilifeform off for tea time, brb
assbot: On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwLHJ0 )
pete_dushenski: that said, i'm heading out for a walk. bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67050 @ 0.00038117 = 25.5574 BTC [+]
assbot: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwMo53 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00038117 = 11.1111 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: guy has a very strange idea as to what open means.
mircea_popescu: nothing google ever made was open.
punkman: he's talking about the open source stuff
mircea_popescu: except it's not.
fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours
fluffypony: eg. I don't think they created Go or AngularJS because they felt benevolent
mircea_popescu: just because google has been measurably more successful at embrace, extend and extinguish foss than say microsoft
mircea_popescu: does not make it part of foss.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, serina eh :P
cazalla: clearly you've never heard the saying "always bet on black"
mircea_popescu: he lost eh ?
mircea_popescu: o wow check out all the s.mpoe action
asciilifeform: it's perma-wedged, in db state.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, twice i believe
asciilifeform: 'So, I have a question - why do we need such an OPEN technologies, that can be BLOCKED tomorrow? Today - it's me, but who knows what will happen tomorrow, and which countries or companies will decide to block their, so called open, tools that you use.'
asciilifeform: ^ cloud111!!!!111
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm still all time +ev against serena, but it always stings losing in the now. Nice Shitbrain worm >> Ascaris cerebrofoetida
cazalla: BingoBoingo, who are you figuring to win tonight? djokovic or murray? i want to bet opposite to you :P
mats: mr magic is worried about being gassed by agents of the enemy
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I don't really know men's tennis. Kind of a sport for the girlies.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo evil eh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis.
asciilifeform: perma-wedge - silently hangs on restart
asciilifeform: with no output.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More the sort of necessary evil that would need invented.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis. << Ah, phonics gets me again
asciilifeform: worm tale << see also short story 'the moral virologist' (greg egan)
asciilifeform: sorta opposite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00037407 = 13.7471 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: conformal, btcd, compiling << btcd won't even compile on a vps with ~600 mb of ram. OOM kill.
ben_vulpes: turdlang indeed.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see thread from hour ago
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: google and 'open'
fluffypony: don't you just run Go apps, without precompiling them?
asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you-
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: "go get ..."
fluffypony: that just fetches deps
asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor
ben_vulpes: i'm no expert with their ecosystem, so i may be doing it wrong.
asciilifeform: the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start'
fluffypony: I have an API for a service I run that is written in Go, and that's 'go server.go', no compiling
mod6: ha
asciilifeform: i've been there. was a die-hard user of 'mathematica' for some years
asciilifeform: quitting - was agony.
hanbot: that's why you were so aghast over gossipd.go?
assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1DidCsf )
hanbot: i guess that's a highlight for artifexd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00036757 = 28.4132 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: doesn't really cover the apparently epic dependency graph of btcd
ben_vulpes is trying to decide how much he cares about running btcd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1615 @ 0.00095998 = 1.5504 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: in other news,
assbot: dpaste: 231ZHHC: valgrind output of bastard node. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Die6yC )
asciilifeform: compare with: http://dpaste.com/1T8RSCJ << classical
assbot: dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1DiehcZ )
asciilifeform: classical: 'definitely lost'
asciilifeform: bastard: 'possibly lost'
asciilifeform: clever bugger.
assbot: Ask HN: Someone raised money by claiming my project as their own | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIHy3s )
punkman: "open source as long as the chinese don't copy it"
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xfzJYMNJ <-- any suggestions?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what were you building on ?
danielpbarron: might be my crappy laptop; i may just make a fresh gentoo install just for this
danielpbarron: ubuntu 12.w/e :/
asciilifeform: what cross-compiler ?
danielpbarron: arm-linux-gnueabi
asciilifeform: first of all, has to be armv5
danielpbarron: ah hah!
asciilifeform: second - were you using the build script exactly as given ?
danielpbarron: the auto.sh one?
danielpbarron: no, it's modified slightly
danielpbarron: to change that prefix
danielpbarron: and i had to add "sudo" the make install of BDB
danielpbarron: for some reason
danielpbarron: maybe related to this other thing you pointed out
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: you probably installed bdb systemwide
asciilifeform: instead of local dir as specified in recipe
asciilifeform: same for boost
danielpbarron: it already was
asciilifeform: recipe -specifically- calls for local install
asciilifeform: it's a deterministic build
danielpbarron: right i get that
asciilifeform: which means, 'all that's mine i carry with me'
asciilifeform: like a snail.
asciilifeform: and should very certainly not need sudo-anything
asciilifeform: that's a sure symptom that it was unable to install to specified local dir
asciilifeform: did you create the latter ?
asciilifeform: 'ourlibs'
asciilifeform: what do you get if removed 'sudo' ?
asciilifeform: post output.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: had typo when restart of wedged pogo, it actually does restart
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but it reliably dies with:
asciilifeform: ************************
asciilifeform: EXCEPTION: 11DbException
asciilifeform: Db::get: Cannot allocate memory
asciilifeform: bitcoin in ProcessMessage()
asciilifeform: ProcessMessage(block, 72417 bytes) FAILED
asciilifeform: received block 00000000000003c67a87
asciilifeform: REORGANIZE
asciilifeform: ^ essentially, exhausts ram on boot
asciilifeform: as soon as loads even one block.
asciilifeform: bdb cache?
asciilifeform: ./distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
asciilifeform: ^ you don't have it?
danielpbarron: that's not the problem; the script doesn't change directory properly after the permission error
danielpbarron: i do have all the tarballs
asciilifeform: remove all the intermediate crap and post output from fresh run
asciilifeform: as in, run with just the tarballs and the required empty dir.
danielpbarron: what about armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi ?
asciilifeform: remember that this is not a 'makefile' and it's brick-stupid
asciilifeform: expects exactly empty start
asciilifeform: gotta go, will be back in a few hrs.
danielpbarron: thank you for the pointers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's trying to do a chain reorg and failing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform go can be statically compiled can it not ?
mircea_popescu: definitely lost: 22,000 bytes in 250 blocks indirectly lost: 360,903 bytes in 10 blocks possibly lost: 90,514,354 bytes in 256 blocks 115,924,858 bytes in 450,368 blocks << this is the fucking sorriest report, like it's cs 101 over here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126850 @ 0.00036757 = 46.6263 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Now i see. Gavin announced chaos and drama to the press because he himself intends to create it. He gets a 30% veto and still wants to proceed. It's gonna rip. I just switched to Litecoin."
mircea_popescu: heh. the first part is true, obviously. not so sure about the 2nd. bitcoin is after all based on drama and lulz.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where did you read that?
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILlxP )
thestringpuller: srsly 502 bad gateway?!?
thestringpuller: theymos!!!
assbot: Bitcointa.lk: the Bitcointalk community with a proper forum | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILBwQ )
thestringpuller: this is exactly why we can't have nice things
danielpbarron: interesting timing
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILKAj )
mircea_popescu: qntra and derivatives totally dominates teh discussion.
mircea_popescu: clearly usg has like a majority and shit.
thestringpuller: bullbear stole my fucking title
mircea_popescu: tell him.
thestringpuller: oh he referenced me
thestringpuller: well qntra
thestringpuller: haha cazalla and i spitballed for hours on the title XD
mircea_popescu: not really linked it, which is weird mfa sorta behaviour.
thestringpuller: one of them iirc was "Gavin Proposes Pooping Out New Fork"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Tell then their link doesn't work. A url encased in parenthesis can not be clicked.
danielpbarron: i like the old thread title of "fork off"
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: yea. i wish I was that clever.
thestringpuller: It's like trying to replace the wheels on an old steam engine that's still running.
thestringpuller: This is gonna be some ride for the folks back in 3rd class.
thestringpuller: ^- from cache of link
BingoBoingo appreciates that my doubt an edgerouter with 512 MB of RAM could make a Bitcoin node and a week later a serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive direction.
mircea_popescu: tell me about it.
ben_vulpes: it's downright heartwarming
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.00096835 = 1.9716 BTC [+] {6}
ben_vulpes: i sent one of the guys out to get me a cheese yesterday. "cheddar, sharp, really solid, aged."
ben_vulpes: came back with tillamook extra sharp.
ben_vulpes: *sigh*
ben_vulpes: i do so love nasty stinky cheeses
BingoBoingo: !up cjc
cjc: Thanks for the voice -- managed to discover this channel while reading an article critical of increasing the block size.
ben_vulpes: cjc: which article?
cjc: Figured the discussions herein may be worth my idling.
ben_vulpes: cjc: there's also log.bitcoin-assets.com
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> i do so love nasty stinky cheeses << Hypothesis, functionally smarter people prefer cheese with more smell because it indicates the presence of more, varied catecholamine precursors the brain craves.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: interesting hypothesis
ben_vulpes: cjc: wouldn't stand for "chicago journal of commerce" by any chance?
mircea_popescu: cjc read the logs, linked in topic. there's a search function too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.000367 = 19.9465 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zINIRn )
mircea_popescu: that'd be pete_dushenski
cjc: mircea_popescu, thank you :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself.
cjc: ben_vulpes, no cjc are merely my initials.
cjc: /msg NickServ INFO cjc
cjc: I've also nabbed the first/last initials as a nick and grouped them too.
mircea_popescu: cjc since you've apparently been around for a while : any merit to teh rumous of freenode slowly going to shit ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself. << I've accepted that the American conditioning to remove all the flavors if it isn't explicitly done to cultivate stupid, continues with stupid accepted as a positive side effect.
cjc: mircea_popescu, The node I connect to in Chicago has been down inconveniently quite a bit in 2014, morgan.freenode.net. My observation of #freenode staffer availability in the past two months has been it is hit or miss for new users requesting cloaks and such.
mircea_popescu: meant more like over the past half decade.
cjc: Yes, when I started coming here before I registered my nick in 2003 --
cjc: There were developers here and like minded people seeking collaboration.
cjc: We now find many more casual users with a "multi-chat" Facebook type desire to use the network.
cjc: Its not really held up to the focus as established, perhaps due to insufficient moderation or self enforcement.
cjc: What are your thoughts?
mircea_popescu: seems to me kinda drifting without rudder, hoping it won't meet any serious icebergs.
cjc: Frankly, Freenode would be akin to one of the last standing freenets of the early 90s. If there was ever a problem with regard to insufficient support for the network monetarily --
cjc: I do not believe there would be a problem soliciting donations from users who find this the place to host their projects and to meet and talk with others about the same.
cjc: Channel population hasn't changed too dramatically in the last decade in #gentoo where I spend most of my time.
thestringpuller: lol gentoo
mircea_popescu: there was recently a problem with a nsa infiltration that's still being "investigated".
mircea_popescu: there's more to money than just getting five thousand people to send you ten bux.
cjc: lol, yes its an obsessive compulsive compatible OS
mircea_popescu: but it doesn;t have to be!!
cjc: mircea_popescu, I did not apparently catch the news with regard to NSA infiltration.
cjc: I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the issues I experienced with morgan.freenode.net this year.
assbot: Server Issues: Update | staffblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGv9Z4 )
danielpbarron: lol thestringpuller, that last frame was me last night :/
thestringpuller: this i must read
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: what were you compiling into your kernel?
cjc: I do recall this article now that you mention it.
danielpbarron: trying to get bitcoind to compile
danielpbarron: "this time i'll work and then i can sleep"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron welcome to engineering.
mircea_popescu: this is how this profession goes.
mircea_popescu: (doctors don't sleep either. allegedly for different reasons._)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: doctors have you know...drugs
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cjc: How does BingoBoingo work, am I grand a 30 minute one time voice in the channel and then able to simply lurk?
cjc: s/grand/granted/
BingoBoingo: lol I'm a bot again!
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17A3Y24.txt )
BingoBoingo: !up cjc
mircea_popescu: haha spoiled oyur bash too.
mircea_popescu: cjc if you're in assbot's wot, you get to voice yourself. if not, people who are can voice you in half hour chunks.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/BingoBoingo | http://w.b-a.link/user/BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: like that.
cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo :)
assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPuSm )
assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/13Yy3yb )
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )
cjc: Cool, thanks -- Mostly, I'm around overnight hours in CST -- as I work 3rd shift.
mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps
cjc: I was on one of these Trilema pages earlier today, but didn't understand what the Lord of Bitcoins page was all about when I landed there linked from an article.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cjc doesn't really matter
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: lord of bitcoins page ?!
mircea_popescu: that flatley fellow ?
ben_vulpes: lordship list
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGzsDD )
mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes im thinking, at first conference dinner... we have roast party ?
ben_vulpes: oh ho ho ho
ben_vulpes: i gotta cook up some roasts then
mircea_popescu: lemme ask ppls
mircea_popescu: $conference
cjc: During the articles critical of G.A., the above page was linked to... along the way, I discovered this channel.
mircea_popescu: hm empy died ? nao i gotta google
mircea_popescu: mod6 hanbot asciilifeform roast at conference, yes ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you'd better come up wioth good shit, i already have some fucking killers for you mr.
ben_vulpes: i'm not actually funny!
mod6: mircea_popescu: sure!
mircea_popescu: go out all over portland and date until you find a funny woman.
ben_vulpes: so is it a round robin roastage? everyone roasts in turn?
mod6: wait... does this mean a roast of meat? or of personalities?
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31MY0KB.txt )
mircea_popescu: of personalities.
ben_vulpes: i think as host you should be c3's target
mod6: oh jeeze. lol. i'd be terrible at that.
mircea_popescu: nah, here in bitcoin we believe in democracy.
mircea_popescu: everyone roasts everyone.
ben_vulpes: mk i can probably cook something up
mircea_popescu: and notes allowed not in excess of 256 characters.
ben_vulpes: man talk about insider baseball this shit's not even going to be proofable against other humans
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132911 @ 0.00037085 = 49.29 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: you're so privileged, mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: kinda what makes it good, yeah
ben_vulpes: you and hanbot get to dial yours in
mircea_popescu: it's like... the only true comedic venue left.
mircea_popescu: whatcha mean dial in /
ben_vulpes: my poor ego will never recover
ben_vulpes: practice and hone
ben_vulpes: not fair
mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't tell you to spend all day typing ruby or w/e you do. boost.
ben_vulpes: not only do you intend to pauperize me but also demoralize
ben_vulpes: someone remind me why i do anything
mircea_popescu: 40 virgins ?
mircea_popescu: not in the sense of, women. in the sense of, mindboggling challenges.
ben_vulpes: that's for the sons of ishmael
ben_vulpes: i'll settle for my mother's praise
mircea_popescu: the correct spellings is i'm so ashamed not ishmael.
mod6: here i was all excited. like "YES PIG ROAST TIME!!!"
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is not legal in argentina to convene more than six people outside of the presence of roasted meat.
mircea_popescu: they come read you the meat riot and sedition acts and then start shooting
mircea_popescu: sausage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.0003673 = 23.7276 BTC [-]
mod6: haha. imagine a good law.
ben_vulpes: oh man argentine blood sausage
BingoBoingo: I thought beef and not pigs is what the Argentines roasted
mircea_popescu: they roast whatever gets in their way.
mircea_popescu: they'd roast the vanishingly small african community if those dudes didn't run so fasty.
cazalla: looks like isis carved up another jap https://sendvid.com/nphywh91 pretty sure western media claimed johadi john was dead too but he's back in that video
assbot: Sendvid - Instant video upload ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGE9xl )
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341376 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45287162310.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.72621
BingoBoingo: Huh, GAW stopped mining and difficulty still looks to be on the upswing.
mircea_popescu: impossibru. who outside of cazalla and anyone thinking could have predicted this!
mats: you mean they weren't mining to begin with? the horror.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FFFPT9.txt )
davout: ben_vulpes: "oh man argentine blood sausage" <<< yes. please.
mircea_popescu: you coming frenchie ?
davout: i probably will
davout: danielpbarron cazalla Apocalyptic the railzand guy not only has locked the fork off topic but seems to have started a #b-a log digest bitcointalk thread
davout: mircea_popescu: that does count as food
mircea_popescu: mayb someone should tell him fluffypony was actually looking to payu someone to do this ?
assbot: Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkRk4 )
assbot: A summary of the logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkTbR )
BingoBoingo: Thx davout
davout: also the qntra mobile is pretty nice!
BingoBoingo: Thanks.
BingoBoingo: It is still the same as qntra desktop.
davout: i'm kinda disappoint that it had to be google telling you
davout: imma go hang out in that 20m new thread, see what lulz may be extracted
mats: this log summary is terrible
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999675 <<< not that there is such a thing as 'american cheese', slightly less poisonous plastic maybe
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 04:57:44; asciilifeform: incidentally (non-u.s. folks) if you visit usa and are offered 'american cheese' - run, not walk, to exit
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 04:59:10; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a chunk of pine bark
mircea_popescu: davout duh. it's great too.
mircea_popescu: (pine is whey boiled first, make it more placid)
BingoBoingo: davout: Well google was more the catalyst for doing it now. That and having picked up a Smatr PNohe to actually test on.
davout: qntra is now officially pooping-friendly
ben_vulpes: cannot poop without internet
ben_vulpes: now has qntra for poops
davout: cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string
cazalla: lol
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000123 <<< 'scratch your own itch' makes sense tho
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:13:51; fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours
BingoBoingo: <davout> cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string But links to Plsdont://paybase.on.nimp.org
davout: BingoBoingo: what is that? google tells me achtung
punkman: I only remember it's something bad
punkman: probably won't do anything without javascript though
mircea_popescu: or flesh
BingoBoingo: davout: Shock site. Basically subject.thatdomain opens a cascade of eye rape and screaming. The popups induce more panic than the classic "pain series"
mircea_popescu: i mean flash
mircea_popescu: mats they're not really that bad ?
mircea_popescu: "A sampling of 30% of average forum users isn't the same as 30% of the community, and certainly not the ecosystem. In reality individual users and organizations carry different weight. At the end of the day people who believe in Bitcoin (and invest their money into it) will do what they can to protect that value. The fork which has the most economic value will be the one most likely to survive with confidence of those
mircea_popescu: who continue to accept it."
mircea_popescu: lmao @forum. it has NOW discovered the importance of stuff.
mircea_popescu: funny how this wasn't a consideration before, because "unanimous."
assbot: Praying Mantis Makes Meal of a Hummingbird | Bird Watcher's Digest ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGMMIi )
mircea_popescu: "My understanding is a lot of heavily weighted entities in the ecosystem already support Gavin's proposed course."
mats: i suppose i'm being harsh. it could use better formatting and some context (maybe links to where author commentary refers?).
mircea_popescu: hello backwards world!
mats: who is that anyway?
mircea_popescu: no idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00036859 = 19.0561 BTC [+]
cazalla: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough?
mircea_popescu: good enough for what ?
punkman: cazalla, what are you looking for?
cazalla: umm, not even hobbyist photos really.. punkman i want to get a macro lense for taking photos of the bugs and insects that inhabit my garden.. the mantis comment above just reminded me
mats: i've thought about doing summaries for a while, but i've been preempted
punkman: get an adapter for old SLR lenses, and some macro tubes
punkman: what brand is your camera?
cazalla: i've got a nikon, cheaper d3100
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGORUt )
punkman: macro tubes and lens with manual aperture/focus will work well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94416 @ 0.00036859 = 34.8008 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cazalla anything shoul work ok really, get whatever's accessible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123800 @ 0.00036859 = 45.6314 BTC [+]
punkman: cazalla: here's one for you http://imgur.com/ZnuA8SY,ZZYNyEq#0
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGSycW )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178000 @ 0.00036481 = 64.9362 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: punkman, yeah but i want them from my garden, not on window
cazalla: first time i've grown watermelon and it seems to have attracted some bee that is really yellow, looks great
cazalla: quite a few mantis around after carrot fly too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190247 @ 0.0003583 = 68.1655 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: cazalla, hard to do macro from a distance
cazalla: punkman, i can sit and wait until he comes my way :)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though Australia was the sort of place where insects hunt you
punkman: as to the chinese lenses, they mostly work, many don't fill the entire frame though
cazalla: BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date
mircea_popescu: and ate them.
BingoBoingo: Ah, so the rumors are true.
cazalla: punkman, would they improve on something like this that i've taken with 15-55mm lens? http://imgur.com/VXVbfdC
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGWoCQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107700 @ 0.00035433 = 38.1613 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: cazalla, you'll be able to do more stuff with manual lens
asciilifeform: go can be statically compiled can it not << it has a runtime.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo appreciates ... serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive << it has yet to be established for certain that this thing can be a reasonable node
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If it can't the exercise would reveal a lower bound to target.
asciilifeform: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough << can't speak for the dslr ones, but chinese c-mounts (microscope, in my case) are entirely acceptable
assbot: Judge to Aaron Hernandez jury: Enjoy Super Bowl but be vigilant - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGYMcN )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in principle, anything -can- - can allow it to swap and destroy ssd rather less slowly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at present, i've swap switched off
mats: >Hernandez's DNA also was found on a .45-caliber shell casing found in a car he had rented.
mats: Sounds suspiciously like he was wearing the piece 'like a gangsta' and sweat into the damn weapon.
mats: er, bad construction, but you get the idea...
mats: nope, nm, i misread.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja get it built ?
danielpbarron: nope; i'm making a gentoo bootable flashdrive now
danielpbarron: my ubuntu install is too messy and i'm not sure it even supports the cross compiler
asciilifeform: jurov: any chance of switching the lxr to the merged tree? the win32isms etc. grate on the eye.
jurov: you mean 0.5.3.1?
asciilifeform: also, can that thing cough up static html in tarball for offline viewing ?
asciilifeform: or would that require actual work
jurov: afaik only by crawling
asciilifeform: nm then
BingoBoingo: !up GoMaD
jurov: the urls are reasonably static
assbot: traffic stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRs79 )
assbot: traffic stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRs7l )
mircea_popescu: in the great internet battle pitting idiots against trolls... the trolls are winning.
mircea_popescu: whocouldhavepredicted.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, davout: look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty << interesting idea
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 0.9.0.3... ...i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 << the recent turdballs are considerably gnarlier than 0.5.3, and have rather peculiar behaviours of their own. avoid.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65819 @ 0.00036859 = 24.2602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103100 @ 0.00036075 = 37.1933 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: re: gentoo:
asciilifeform: it is really defined by 'unfeatures.'
asciilifeform: ;;google unfeature antifeature
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: ;;google unfeature anti-feature
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: rip google.
assbot: djm's personal weblog: Key rotation in OpenSSH 6.8+ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrU5WH )
mircea_popescu: "all internet security is a slow, half-assed, dubious reimplementation of gossipd. pity gossipd itself doesn't exist yet."
asciilifeform: ^ who said ?
mircea_popescu: how's bastard btw ?
asciilifeform: 204139.
asciilifeform: actively pumping.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to try bastard, can make a temporary copy of tree merged up to 5.3.1 and apply the skull'n'crossbone patch.
asciilifeform: change constant to something reasonable.
assbot: Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal: http://t.co/oQfE8dIu1s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if cca 280k this choickes to, what do we do ? what's heron sense say ?
asciilifeform: why there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112200 @ 0.00036075 = 40.4762 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: also that thing's running on a titanic x86 box
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol
asciilifeform has two 'pogos' but one is virginal and sitting in crate; it is to be used to test the auto-deflorator (flash virgin unit by plugging into deflowered one)
danielpbarron still has 2 un-opened pogos
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: repopulate the ports in at least one
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: very hard to do serious dev work w/out console
asciilifeform: (see old thread for where/what/how)
asciilifeform: at the minimum, you will need to solder 3 contacts (rx, tx, gnd)
asciilifeform: signal is ttl level, not rs232 though
danielpbarron: just gotta learn how to solder :p
danielpbarron: luckily, i know a guy
assbot: Hardware/CP210xTutorial – OsmocomBB ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrWsso )
asciilifeform: even if your machine has an actual serial port.
asciilifeform: (the latter have rs232 logic levels. will cook a gadget that expects 0/5v)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what i don't get is that on reddit, you see the idea of a paywall and microtransactions always discussed as bitcoin's killer app and yet when they come across it being implemented, they cry scam
danielpbarron: if done in node.js -> not scam
asciilifeform believed, at one point, that the existence of braindamaged programming languages is not a total evil, as they draw mentally defective folks away from actual programming. but, after reading, e.g., the work of the 'power rangers', - is not so sure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42615 @ 0.00036859 = 15.7075 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Slow month
BingoBoingo: Except for eyeballs
cazalla: i guess so but first 2 weeks of jan were slow just as the last 2 weeks of december were
cazalla: but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish over the past few months
asciilifeform: danielpbarron, anyone else having trouble with cross-compilation - 'buildroot' will build, among other necessary things, the toolchain.
asciilifeform: ('buildroot' is the ubiquitous automaton for baking small embedded linux boxen)
ben_vulpes: ;;ping
gribble: pong
BingoBoingo: ;;kittenlasers
gribble: Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
assbot: Trader Life /whaleclubco http://t.co/f2Ws58HqL6
assbot: BYOD is NOT the Next Biggest Thing™: Bring me Ye Olde Lappetoppe • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO1HO7 )
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: reminds me of the centerfolds in knuth's aop.
BingoBoingo: !up teward
teward: so i learned something - assbot doesn't realize I have +2 level2 rep with it o.o
teward glares at kakobrekla then says "fix the bot"
teward: BingoBoingo: thank you kindly
BingoBoingo: ;;ident teward
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp
teward: ;;gettrust assbot [ident teward]
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheLordOfTime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TheLordOfTime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheLordOfTime | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 15:22:44 2013
teward: assuming the bot actually checks ident of a user
teward: if it doesn't it needs retooled
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot teward
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/teward | http://w.b-a.link/user/teward
teward: BingoBoingo: teward being my altnick
teward: this *used* to work actually
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot LordofTime
assbot: LordofTime is not registered in WoT.
teward: TheLordOfTime
teward: check my ident
teward: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot TheLordOfTime
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheLordOfTime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/TheLordOfTime | http://w.b-a.link/user/TheLordOfTime
BingoBoingo: teward: You should be able to !up under that name
asciilifeform: anybody here ever try 'hoard' ?
teward: BingoBoingo: and it says I can't
assbot: The Hoard Memory Allocator ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO2yhV )
teward: BingoBoingo:
teward: [15/01/31 19:56:11] <teward> !up
teward: [15/01/31 19:56:12] <assbot> You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)
teward: as i said, the bot is broke
BingoBoingo: teward: Have you tried wearing that nick while asking assbot !up
teward: BingoBoingo: can't - 150+ channels would be screaming
BingoBoingo: Now what happens when !up
BingoBoingo: !up TheLordOfTime
Guest18566: BingoBoingo: NOW it wants me to auth with it...
Guest18566: wtf i ident'd
assbot: Linus Torvalds on C++ ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO2Pl2 )
BingoBoingo: You ident directly with assbot nao. Because of gribble's vacation http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )
Guest18566: BigBitz: someone stole my nick...
Guest18566: this is a problem
BingoBoingo: It sounds like lots of problems
Guest18566: BingoBoingo: [15/01/31 20:04:47] -NickServ- Information on thelordoftime (account thetimelord): <-- musta expired
asciilifeform: 'In other words: the choice of C is the only sane choice. I know Miles Bader jokingly said "to piss you off", but it's actually true. I've come to the conclusion that any programmer that would prefer the project to be in C++ over C is likely a programmer that I really *would* prefer to piss off, so that he doesn't come and screw up any project I'm involved with.'
teward: BingoBoingo: sounds like I need to rape freenode with a stick again
asciilifeform: ^ linus understood that language is a people-filter, just like gpg etc
teward: BingoBoingo: if that's a new thing, then the webpage needs updated
teward: and i'll yell at kakobrekla later
teward: can't auth as a nick that was stolen from me
kakobrekla: no need to wait.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00037089 = 10.2551 BTC [+]
teward: kakobrekla: unfortunately TheLordOfTime, my gribble auth nick, is stolen - must have expired and been taken
teward: but now i can't !up
teward: since !up now binds to your own auth mech
teward: rather than gribble auth
teward: and since the nick i auth up as in otc was taken, there's a problem
teward: got the pgp key for 'teward' but if your bot fails to recognize master/alt nicks... well...
teward: yer gonna have people like me bringing hell
teward: kakobrekla: probably nickserv expiry - haven't used that nick in eons
teward: but 9 weeks ago was when it was 'registered' by someone
teward: tryin to hunt down an irc staffer to figure out what happened
kakobrekla: 2 options, new asswot handle or change of nick in asswot. re second one im not sure; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998953
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 21:27:59; kakobrekla: i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key)
punkman: why not optional wotnick parameter when using commands?
kakobrekla: because split personalities belong to #bitcoin-insane-asylum
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/203THVZ.txt )
assbot: Assorted Fruits of Wrath ... ( http://bit.ly/16ddkZJ )
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 219.89, vol: 19331.99594995 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 214.25, vol: 9648.99936 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 217.65, vol: 50514.45642919 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 216.9872, vol: 202498.01690000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 216.14762, vol: 13.85219609 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.3425, vol: 106.73912136 | Volume-weighted last average: 217.216565742
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59841 @ 0.00037247 = 22.289 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up flibbr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6688 @ 0.00097658 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2030 @ 0.00098946 = 2.0086 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up teward
mircea_popescu: !up flibbr
danielpbarron: hi flibbr
mircea_popescu: cazalla pretty lulzy, that.
mircea_popescu: !up CryptoGoon
mircea_popescu: !up teward
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot teward
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/teward | http://w.b-a.link/user/teward
flibbr: hi
danielpbarron: !gettrust flibbr
assbot: flibbr is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !rate teward 1 freenode staff
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e67dbb5b71ef7d4f
teward: lol freenode staff
mircea_popescu: did i get it wrong ?
teward: mircea_popescu: bitcoin op, perhaps, not freenode staffer :)
teward: if i were freenode staffer cholby would be getting klined on sight every single time
mircea_popescu: !rate teward 1 guy whose name starts with t.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5aa1b78f8fe024e2
teward: and then i'd have my oline revoked for overusing /kline xD
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.teward.1:fc509d9d4b7e9bcc7fa8f0b03ff66507e9f975b04b153a5a7b45e4bdf99a6b31
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for teward with note: guy whose name starts with t.
mircea_popescu: who's chlolby
teward: well known freenode troll/spammer/scammer/bitch
mircea_popescu: teward now you can assbot voice, send !up in pm then !v its string
assbot: Would you crowdfund Bitcoin Wireless? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn45Bt )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2550 @ 0.000999 = 2.5475 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: cazalla: but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish << i guess that's gonna keep getting redefined, iut's what living things do.
teward: there we go
teward: mircea_popescu: this needs documented
mircea_popescu: how do you freenode scam ?!
mircea_popescu: teward "this"
teward: mircea_popescu: the auth process for unfamiliar people :)
teward was unaware of the switch to internal auth mechanisms
teward: and 'scammer' in that he tries to impersonate staff when he's really bored
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn4pjB )
teward: ends up 'scamming' users into things
thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js
mircea_popescu: "The devs have a mandate."
mircea_popescu: ajhahahaha dude!
mircea_popescu: usg comedy hour is best comedy hour!
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn66NU )
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah, just dunno how that qualifies him to say Bitcoin companie should just stop competing with each other and then dissolve when they solve their problems
mircea_popescu: eh, kids with shoulds.
danielpbarron: "what's your business plan?" "to go out of business in a few years"
danielpbarron: it's not a failure if you planned for it
danielpbarron: didn't i read something like that already today?
assbot: BusinessTown ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn6CeQ )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that just makes him a shoulder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00037689 = 3.882 BTC [+]
assbot: Greece says it will not negotiate with EU-IMF creditors - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn86FV )
mircea_popescu: i hope they had a new york clause in their contract, and griesa gets to judge it
mircea_popescu: so he can say that greece is right. unlike argentina.
mats: i'm looking forward to the outcome of this
mats: will any others develop the courage to leave the EU? huhu
mats: asciilifeform: any recommendations for a logic analyzer? preferably something sub $1k
asciilifeform: mats: 'rigol' ds1102d
mats: thanks
asciilifeform: if you -just- need logic analyzer, not scope,
asciilifeform: theer is an 'open bench logic sniffer' (more or less naked fpga, ~50 usd)
asciilifeform: afaik nobody's written any usable proggy for it
asciilifeform: (author shat out a steaming java heap)
asciilifeform: if you can spare ~1k usd, get the 'rigol'
asciilifeform: it wurks.
mats: i've heard good things about saleae logic, have you used it?
mats: software is described as high quality.
asciilifeform: no, haven't used it, can't see why pay real money for ~25MHz ceiling
asciilifeform: vendor also seems to say it is out of print.
assbot: Saleae Logic. The logic analyzer you'll love to use. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn9N6l )
asciilifeform: 'This product is no longer available for purchase'
asciilifeform: and is that a closed-source turd i see.
mats: hm.
asciilifeform: if all you need is something that will decode, e.g., spi, at a few 100 kHz, get the ubiquitous 'bus pirate'
mats: closed-source seems normal from the researching ive done
asciilifeform: winblows-only is also 'normal'
asciilifeform: but it is possible to get decent (if not 'mazerati'-grade) instrumentation without swallowing winblows
asciilifeform: 'rigol' for instance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00037689 = 20.0505 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up onewhosits
onewhosits: what are some BTC predictions for this coming week?
mats: try #bitcoin-pricetalk
onewhosits: Thanks bro
danielpbarron: onewhosits, who are you?
danielpbarron: onewhosits, you know about the WoT yet?
onewhosits: no sir, google brings up "world of tanks" aha
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymkz8C )
onewhosits: thanks friend
BingoBoingo: onewhosits: Another important step is getting a cloak and moving off of webchat cloak
BingoBoingo: Hides your IP, because it is hard to tell when DoS bot will return
BingoBoingo: So... of all people newbie distro Linux mint if holding off on any systemd for two years http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Mint-18-Will-Probably-Adopt-Systemd-470364.shtml
assbot: Linux Mint 18 Could Adopt Systemd - Softpedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vneQUu )
onewhosits: oh i see. is it risky to use these channels? i run tailsos when i need to
mats: hard to say.
mats: i'd avoid doing anything sensitive over Tor, though
assbot: This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymmtWw )
mats: some curmudgeon operating an exit node could diddle your traffic.
BingoBoingo: onewhosits: More just some vandal has a bot that lurks and DoS's connections as it seens them join. Cloak should be enough to defeat that. To connect with Tor you'd need a cloak anyway.
danielpbarron: onewhosits, out of curiousity: did you verify the gpg signature on the tails installer?
pete_dushenski: whoa what's with the chernobyl theme over at thebitcoin.foundation ?
onewhosits: Good info friends. I'm currently using my home ip so im good. interesting though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53562 @ 0.00038117 = 20.4162 BTC [+]
onewhosits: danielpbarron. No, actually i didn't. Should've. Is there a common problem with modified tailos installs?
danielpbarron: onewhosits, idk -- it doesn't matter anyway; the tails guys aren't in the WoT
danielpbarron: i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it
decimation: the LXR 'concordance' is pretty neat, it would be cool if it were possible to create that without webserver turd
onewhosits: danielpbarrn ahh. nah ive been using the distro for some time
decimation: asciilifeform: but it is possible to get decent (if not 'mazerati'-grade) instrumentation without swallowing winblows << except agilent et.al. comes with windows
decimation: cheap stuff doesn't
asciilifeform: the agilent boxes -run- winblows
asciilifeform: as in, there's an x86 box in there.
assbot: Lazy Cat Doesn't Get Up to Drink Water - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ympExJ )
decimation: why did hp ditch hp-ux
mats: happy caturday.
asciilifeform: decimation: died with pa-risc, mostly
asciilifeform threw out his pa-risc box last may
asciilifeform couldn't be arsed to load it into the truck
decimation: hp was lowered in pederastry after years of fucktarded management - mainly after hewlitt and packard died
asciilifeform: well-known
asciilifeform: playing for a captive audience makes people, organizations, retarded
asciilifeform: no exceptions.
decimation: yes, that era forms the mud-layer upon which modern silly-con valley is built
decimation: asciilifeform: that's probably a good explanation for why high-end engineering software comes only on winblows
decimation: that and, the only proprietary hardware unix vendor left is... apple
asciilifeform: decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while
BingoBoingo: decimation: Similar to how when the Western Roman empire fell, concrete was forgotten for quite some time, because no volcanic ash in coldistan
decimation: decimation: sun have been lowered into oracle or that turd 'joylent' that was discussed awhile ago
decimation: BingoBoingo: aye, it is my understanding that even to this day the exact recipe for 'roman concrete' is still not completely known
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while << Sun alway though lacked the introspection necessary to realize things like... A bench might be a better place to assemble machines than the floor.
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decimation: they built aqua-ducts that lasted 2000 years - I'm not betting that 'portland cement' will last as long
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point is that, not so many years ago, one could get the 'high end' stuff on solaris.
decimation: yes, warez vendors targeted solaris as a platform, like cadence, adobe, etc
asciilifeform: even something like dec openvms was supported
asciilifeform: microshit quietly massacred the commercial unixen while no one was looking
decimation: actually this is a perfect example of how 'drowning in idiots' can ruin an industry
asciilifeform: (nothing in the industry happened, in those days, except in the shadow of microshit. just as very little happens in the solar system that is not in some major way affected by jupiter.)
decimation: suddenly everyone who could use windows was a 'computer expert', so people who used computers to compute became 'dinosaurs' or 'weird'
asciilifeform: this didn't affect the 'workstation' folks, until it did.
asciilifeform: this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux
asciilifeform: because it was the first unixlike which couldn't be nudged out of existence this way
decimation: aye. once 'management' decided that windows was the answer, the nerds at the bottom had no chance
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: davout no, roast as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE << watching this now. it's a riot!
assbot: Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkRk4 )
decimation: asciilifeform: do you have a source for little wires with single pin 'female header' connectors?
assbot: Amazon.com: 40pcs Female to Female 2.54mm 0.1 in Jumper Wires F/F (40pcs): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymtBlN )
asciilifeform: or just about anywhere else
asciilifeform: check your favourite supplier
asciilifeform: these are ubiquitous
decimation: ah. thanks. the problem mainly is figuring out how to describe what you want
asciilifeform: snip'em in half.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00037349 = 16.6203 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75804 @ 0.00036627 = 27.7647 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22184 @ 0.00035681 = 7.9155 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: equating 'litecoin' with other sc4mc01nz is a mistake. it was a genuine, if misguided, attempt at something genuinely else
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00035681 = 16.5381 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: (the whole 'asic resistance' thing)
asciilifeform: this is re: the qntra article.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cazalla's text. But... certain people who birthed it still promote it as an alternative that still solves a problem.
asciilifeform: somebody still promotes it?!
danielpbarron: i've seen a few "just sold all my BTC for Litecoin because MP is mean" posts
asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate why no one (afaik) suggested a third workfunction
asciilifeform: if you want 'asic resistance', my hypothetical 'lifecoin' is probably as good as it gets
asciilifeform: !s lifecoin
assbot: 1 results for 'lifecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lifecoin
mats: hm, bitbet has graduated to being a sextuple reverse fractional reserve if my computation is correct
cazalla: asciilifeform, coblee admits his silver analogy doesn't make sense but continues with it anyway.. doesn't sound genuine to me at all
cazalla: and nobody has moved the goal posts as much as those idiots.. gpu resistant, asic resistant, it's faster etc etc
asciilifeform: if it -only- had the scrypt thing, and none of the other crackpotteries, might have went further.
asciilifeform: or at least, died a less pathetic death
asciilifeform: for those who weren't tuned in a year ago,
mats: its still fluctuating around 1%, so perhaps it may live on yet
asciilifeform: i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata
mats: 1% BTCLTC, anyway
asciilifeform: with larger and larger quantity of ram required as difficulty grows
asciilifeform: this would have the side effect of encouraging the construction of machines which are not entirely useless for other extravagant computing projects
cazalla: so no, i don't buy that litecoin was anything more than the creation of your stereotypical chink who knocks shit off
asciilifeform: (but at the same time still requiring construction of new machines)
asciilifeform: cazalla: knocked off but replaced a fairly sensitive part.
pete_dushenski: litecoin is like a tesla with a gas engine really
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the way i understand, it was mainly intended to banish asic, but for some reason known only to the author, did not really try in earnest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00035681 = 27.0462 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: or like a race horse with the heart of a giant gerbil
asciilifeform: (see 'lifecoin' for example of algorithm that actually requires increasing physical space as difficulty grows)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: because he's american ?
asciilifeform knows nothing whatsoever about author of 'litecoin'
pete_dushenski: ;;google charles lee litecoin
gribble: Litecoin founder Charles Lee on the origins of the cryptocurrency: <http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-founder-charles-lee-on-the-origins-and-potential-of-the-worlds-second-largest-cryptocurrency/>; Litecoin creator Charles Lee has left Google to work at Coinbase: <http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-creator-charles-lee-has-left-google-to-work-at-coinbase/>; Ex-Googler Gives the (1 more message)
danielpbarron: heh "google charles lee"
pete_dushenski: google employee
pete_dushenski: a la hearn
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: lol
asciilifeform: the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic.
danielpbarron: "no, charles lee googles you!"
asciilifeform: but did not do this, because could not steal enough.
asciilifeform: or sumthinglikethat
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the cynical answer could also be that he's a bad actor who tried to detract energies away from bitcoin at a pivotal moment
asciilifeform: or that
pete_dushenski: iirc litecoin was a 2011 thing
asciilifeform: but normally those are not merely malicious idiots, but avaricious malicious idiots
asciilifeform: by all rights he should have attempted the asic
asciilifeform: rather than waiting for the chinese
pete_dushenski: if he had the skillz
pete_dushenski: it's not clear that he did/does
pete_dushenski: or mebbe charles lee is a chinese mole!
cazalla: he is malicious because he contains to appear at conferences to tell people how a coin is all about the marketing regardless of whether what you say is factual or not. he's just the first iteration of garza
asciilifeform: i can't honestly say that i care very much why.
asciilifeform: it's dead.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: pumpers gotta pump and all that
asciilifeform: the original point of my objection to the qntra piece was that, afaik, 'litecoin' was different from every other altcoin in the sense that it was not simply an existing source tree with a dozen constants changed.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: at least litecoin didn't have a phoundation crudding it up to its gills over a period of years
cazalla: asciilifeform, i'm pretty sure every altcoin always launches with the idea of being different to every other altcoin
asciilifeform: but not practice.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, it has had one for the last year along with a *talk.org forum.. it's pretty much the blue print for altcoins at this point, launch your altcointalk.org, have a foundation and premine under the guise the foundation will use the coins in some fund to spread adoption
asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz
asciilifeform: but initially there was a vaguely-plausible reason for thinking people to go 'hmm' when reading about litecoin.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: best electric tranny is ICE powered.
cazalla: of course, which is why i got into it to begin with but in hindsight, just sour grapes at missing cheaper bitcoin
asciilifeform: at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic << There was drama about a collaborator of his GPU mining this GPU unminable coin from the start
asciilifeform: (if that seems like a 'martian' concept, look up 'satcoin')
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did not know this, but it isn't very surprising.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners
pete_dushenski: cazalla: a, a newer thing then, another "but it worked for the us" scenario
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: even tesla's have to get leccy from somewhere
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and what was that miata bit? is this your dream car or.. ?
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i've heard that as well and i suspect he used his brother's exchange to offload his early coins to chinese suckers, that's what that whole bitcoin/litecoin brothers reunited bullshit was about, the fucking gall of that guy http://media.coindesk.com/2014/03/Banner_en_BTCChina.jpg
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cazalla: no proof of course but i wouldn't put it past a guy to do that.. a guy that is willing to get up in front of a room and admit what he says isn't true but that it's OK because "marketing"
pete_dushenski: and now lee is presumably sipping mai tais somewhere because i swear he hasn't made a peep in 12 months
cazalla: still a coinbase despite telling the faithful that coinbase will add litecoin and that he'll leave if they don't
mats: asciilifeform: https://www.tindie.com/products/WaywardGeek/infinite-noise/ << can you evaluate this self-professed tRNG gadget?
assbot: Infinite Noise true random number generator from WaywardGeek on Tindie ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZ4zx )
mats: based on the description, anyway.
decimation: here's the schematic
pete_dushenski: cazalla: soon u guise!
mats: mircea_popescu: would you consider records and other business documents (e.g. tax filings) within the scope of the courts-circus parameters?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00035275 = 6.6141 BTC [-]
mats: er, not tax filings, but financial documents -- also, what about electronic storage devices?
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