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assbot: join.me – Free Screen Sharing and Online Meetings ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0flB )
mats: some guy pwning US edu sites.
mircea_popescu: that ancient virus now has its own website ?
mats: what are you referring to?
assbot: THE join.me VIRUS (spreading the word) ALERT!!!! by 4eyez95 on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0Rrc )
mircea_popescu: (it's a joke)
mats: heh
mircea_popescu: probably the best infection report on the internets.
mats: > Damn hackers! I want to hack them all (my stepdad once set a virus to this dork that was bragging bout his hacking skills, the virus causes your computer to wipe itself cleab each time it turns on or off! Dont worry, he only sent it to that one guy)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00051072 = 13.0744 BTC [-]
mats: boring stream
mircea_popescu: !up coderwill
coderwill: Hello
coderwill: mircea_popescu: Is MPEX your exchange?
coderwill: Cool, I remember a few weeks ago arriving on it a couple of months ago - I think Wences Cesares of Xapo mentioned it on Twitter.
coderwill: I'm in the early phases of setting up an exchange here in Costa Rica.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00049584 = 26.106 BTC [-] {3}
coderwill: mircea_popescu: anything you wish you'd known when you first started putting together your exchange that you know now?
coderwill: thanks for the temp +v
mircea_popescu: coderwill it's not entirely clear what you mean by "exchange", but in any case : what you're looking for has been covered extensively by mpoe-pr on the forum, back in the early days when the sort of nonsense was a lot more prevalent/
mircea_popescu: you definitely should read her exhaustively before anything else
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 350 @ 0.1137346 = 39.8071 BTC [-] {6}
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: or was that his 'zil' << zil was auctioned rather recently
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review? << It is far easier to clean up iffy English tham translate.
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need. << Prolly do it in the way that keeps your expenses on this down.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
assbot: Why I Hope Congress Never Watches Blackhat | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt3jUn )
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: thank you, but I was already discouraged enough. I'll think of a way to contribute, I loved the style of qntra.net - and would like to see some original research on it. Do not know why it fascinates me, but the amount of misinformation in the world of bitcoin is incredible, it's hard to trust something without having checked ourselves.
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Well, you are welcome to submit articles for review.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: thank you.
mircea_popescu: that's a good point.
mircea_popescu: tons of varied nonsense floating about
BingoBoingo: I simply lack the nuances of the language to do a great portugese translation. Research would be incredibly welcome though.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: nice to hear that, I'll put my brain to work.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/advanced-fucking/
mircea_popescu: mats dude, a piece about one kevin poulsen featuring a large picture of said kevin poulsen (who looks like a dork) discussing kevin poulsen and stuff to do with kevin poulsen.
mircea_popescu: i can see why he wrote it. wtf is wired doing publishing it
mircea_popescu: oh wait. free. right.
BingoBoingo: Free is the only price they can afford.
BingoBoingo: mats: I'll take a look.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mike_c Thanks
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: yeah its bad
mats: like an aquarium
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048875 = 4.4965 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.11120001 = 1.7792 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this... apparently we don't have enough friends in the SEC https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/
assbot: SEC Investigation of GAW Miners Underway ... ( http://bit.ly/1802dUk )
assbot: AT LAST: Australia gets its very own malware • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1sVrvMI )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00048815 = 2.099 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: 154 1United States v Ross William Ulbricht 14 Cr 68 ... ( http://bit.ly/1sVtfFP )
davout: pretty fucking lulzy
davout: The Kalyhost customer
davout: associated with the “silkroadmarket.org” website
davout: , the investigation ultimately revealed, was the
davout: defendant
davout: . As reflected in t
davout: he “who.is” information for the “silkroadmarket.org”
davout: website, the name of the website was registered by someone using the
davout: name “Richard Page.”
davout: See
davout: Ex. C). Based on an examination of the defendant’s
davout: laptop subsequent to his arrest, that name is known to be an alias used by the defendant. Specifically, a
davout: file recovered from the defendant’s computer, within a folder marked “aliaces” [sic]
davout: , reflects the name
davout: “Richard Page,”
davout: along with a false address included in the contact information used to
davout: register the “silkroadmarket.org” domain name. »
davout: awshit
davout: a pro copypastar is not me
davout: "Thus, SA Der-Yeghiayan had noted that a website registered to Mr. Karpeles had a “wiki” page on it (i.e., an FAQ page) that was created using the same version of “wiki” software – “Mediawiki” – used to create the “wiki” page on the Silk Road website."
davout: "Similarly, SA Der-Yeghiayan also noticed that a discussion forum known as “bitcointalk.org” – which SA Der-Yeghiayan believed, based on information from a “confidential informant,” was operated by Mr. Karpeles" <<< whose name starts with 'they' and ends with 'mos'
fluffypony: Mark "theymos" Karpeles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0005081 = 2.8708 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams?
fluffypony: and he's actually behind PirateAt40
punkman: and he's just wearing a fat suit
fluffypony: yeah, bro is cut
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: He was the "secret" whatever the fucks Trendon traded with on Torchat.
fluffypony: abs for days
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: bullseye
BingoBoingo: OMG Karpeles was the government plant all along
assbot: Bitcoin payment processor EgoPay ceases trading, founders may have stolen millions | SiliconANGLE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnYL5f )
punkman: "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE,it manipulated by Scammer,name is TADAS KASPUTIS,he also the owner of EGOPAY,
punkman: TADAS KASPUTIS"
fluffypony: well I guess his reputation is also KASPUTIS.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0005081 = 8.2312 BTC [+]
assbot: Coinbase raises 75 mil $ in the single largest VC round for a bitcoin startup : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2nNoE )
fluffypony: !up Elio19
Elio19: Thanks fluffypony
Elio19: I thought that if i authed with gribble and sent "!up" to the bot that i would get voice
Elio19: but it does not work like that
fluffypony: no, you have to have a trust relationship with assbot
BingoBoingo: Elio19: You msg assbot !up now, and it gives you a blob to decrypt now
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot Elio19
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Elio19!~elio19@gateway/tor-sasl/elio19. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Elio19: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Elio19 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Elio19 | Rated since: Thu Mar 8 00:37:21 2012
fluffypony: oh yes I forgot that changed
BingoBoingo: Then you reply to assbot with !v thePassword
fluffypony: the new-new rating system
Elio19: Well i guess thats "almost cool"
Elio19: but unnecessarily complicate
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF )
BingoBoingo: ^ updated
midnightmagic: punkman: hey man, ease up on the links in here k
midnightmagic: !down midnightmagic
Elio19: !up midnightmagic
davout: fluffypony: "well I guess his reputation is also KASPUTIS." <<< kek
davout: oh, assbot kicks now, that's neat
BingoBoingo: davout: Assbot always kicked people who !down themselves
davout: learn something new everyday
davout: is there a particular reason?
BingoBoingo: I dun know/remember. Just something It's done
BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
Dizzle: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: tyvm
assbot: Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1BydgAv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049936 = 5.0435 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahh lovely assbot voice
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 242 @ 0.00550217 = 1.3315 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: what a fuckin process
danielpbarron: "I think its perfectly usable for people who are comfortable with bitcoin, but aren't developers or are tech-savvy. You could crowdfund, you know, me and my friends go to a concert and we've got to 'group buy' concert tickets, or group buy a laser tag day or something." Hearn on his decentralized kickstarter turd
assbot: Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/15sbWS2 )
nubbins`: "If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge more nicely."
nubbins`: my sides!!
mircea_popescu: bah, so im writing an article. put down the first paragraph, 800 words worth of notes.
mircea_popescu: writing is this exercise in fucking impossibility.
assbot: Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore ... ( http://bit.ly/1wnQT9b )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.11117555 = 2.7794 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 339780 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 923 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42294419240.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.81437
assbot: OK /CoinFireBlog I've made sure that GAW article is saved on wayback machine, and I've kept a copy as well. Complete BS.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Whiplash! ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeA3QO )
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: !rate felipelalli 1 +v easy come, easy...
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/135fbc2bd8731912
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.felipelalli.1:482fa9fe4369a62b557ecf1a16dc802002691c8a51e913ebe7fd4bf94fdaeb64
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: +v easy come, easy...
thestringpuller: soul music. RIP detroit the motor city
danielpbarron: idk if it matters since it doesn't sound like there is a need to translate from portugese to english, but i know a guy fluent in both languages
xanthyos: ooh i figured it out
xanthyos: oh just !v not !verify
xanthyos: 6 times more efficient to type
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: ;;rate danielpbarron 2 crypto-priest
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lulzy twitter drama
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << btw saw the saudi prince interview where he admits they're best buds with putin now ?
BingoBoingo: Really is, nobody "scam hunters" getting pissed that the scammer they like is getting shat on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! nope
assbot: Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzgX94 )
mircea_popescu: usa today no less.
asciilifeform skeptical
mircea_popescu: he's a bit of a jirinovski
mircea_popescu: "And without a functioning industrial economy crude oil would be reclassified as toxic waste. But that is still two or three decades off in the future."
mircea_popescu: lol. mmmkay.
BingoBoingo: "Backyard refinery"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema."
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the definition of bias. "agreeing with others in the parts where they agree with you."
mircea_popescu: but in any case, i'd love to see the math by which russia produces oil at a profit when it's $25 a barrel.
mircea_popescu: strangely, he also seems unaware of teh obama charlie hebdo blunder. i dunno when the us was as politically isolated in its past 1848 history as the time when everyone was in paris except obama. putin was there for chrissakes.
mircea_popescu: i guess hauling all those submarines in helicopters in boats in trains arrangement for securitah has its disadvantages. can't move fast enough
jurov: heh. yes when it was at shore like in normandy, moving subs by was easier
nubbins`: thestringpuller pm me details about this work of yours
nubbins`: better not be as drawn-out as last time
mircea_popescu: lol that blinky map dohickey (revolvermaps.com) reports "119 Recent Pageviews". over about 10 minutes ? so like
nubbins`: actually, scratch that. pm me details about this work of yours when you've got money in-hand and a design ready to go. there's really no need to update me before that point :P
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 119 * 6 * 24
gribble: 17136
mircea_popescu: soon to be overtaken by qntra o.O
mircea_popescu: i guess it's time for cazalla to get a ten page wikipedia article in all teh languages.
ben_vulpes: buenos dias, wreckers
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RQCCZA.txt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00049639 = 35.4919 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
assbot: Let's Pay for 'Free' Community College by Taxing College Savings! - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EmnsKM )
assbot: NYSE Completes Minority Investment in Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/1C3RWlq )
mats: a lol
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
mats: "Australia has flown 144 sorties on Islamic State extremists, but it's believed IS had already struck first, launching a cyber-missile on Australian computer systems."
mats: > a cyber-missile
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00051182 = 9.0592 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: vrediteli!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla curious what comes of this.
mircea_popescu: mats calling it "a cyber missile" is a good joke. calling some beheadings "a new hairstyle" is a bad joke. gotta keep track!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty soon the jury will have to deliberate on the exclusive basis of one sheet of paper on which the words "The People consider the defendant guilty" are written
mircea_popescu: in 16 point comic ms font
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's seriously looks like where the system is headed.
mircea_popescu: ima put it in comments brb
Adlai: lol this reminds me of the whole shitshow in the idf where "real warriors" got all tussled about the cyber command calling its hackers "cyber warriors"
Adlai: some highup officer says that a single cyber warrior can be more valuable to the country than hundreds [of thousands] of regular warriors
Adlai: and then recants this statement once all the other highups flip a shit
mircea_popescu: that's a dangerous path to take. because "screw you bitch, i can sit in a chair and fly a desk too."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00051413 = 15.6296 BTC [+]
Adlai: it was hilarious at the time, being a "real warrior" myself, but siding with the "cyber warrior" camp :D
mircea_popescu: the argument is about as retarded as saying that "one real warrior can be more valuable than" bla bla. sure, the guy who puts up the flag can be misrepresented so and so.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's about two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters than it is to find passible language-of-the-week coders.
Adlai: nobody was suggesting calling coders "cyber warriors", this was about hackers crackers and stuxers
mircea_popescu: im sure.
mircea_popescu: just like nobody is calling retarded journalist cunts "core developers" on the basis of their merging gender changes to pronouns in documentation on github.
mircea_popescu: to the grief of women actually involved with computers. whoi aren't a market for the niggers, because they're smart and few, which makes it too expensive.
Adlai encountered a new one yesterday, "zir"
Adlai: sounds like a malamanteau of "her" and "sir"
Adlai: !ud malamanteau
Adlai: assbot: pls
mircea_popescu: țîr m. (ngr. tziros) : a small fish.
mircea_popescu: "The slightly good news is that PID 1 segfaulting does not reboot the machine on the spot. "
mircea_popescu: "Attempts to log in or to su to root from an existing login either fail or hang."
mircea_popescu: " dude it's so great to be back on windows, seriously" << fifty million "experts" running systemd
mircea_popescu: The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message.
mircea_popescu: "The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message."
mircea_popescu: "accidentally", all this, no doubt.
mircea_popescu: (Oh, and journalctl goes out of its way to set up this behavior. Not by passing command line arguments to less, because that would be too obvious (you might spot it in a ps listing, for example); instead it mangles $LESS to effectively add the '-S' option, among other things.)
asciilifeform: two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters << since when is cannon fodder in short supply?
mircea_popescu: note i was not talking about web experts.
thestringpuller: random: is there a reason "crowd source" projects usually are of mediocre quality?
thestringpuller: seems "flashy" and stuffs and not enough..."factor x"
mircea_popescu: all crowd source projects constructed around an asshole succeed. like linux. and like systemd.
assbot: Prosecutors Seek to Bar DPR Interview From Jury – Updated | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS5M3Y )
mircea_popescu: lol epic railroading.
jurov: i know several people who ended up running webserver on windows because "under linux we could never get everything working right, admin always fixing something"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla of course my only takeaway is that the price is doing pretty well at strangling coinbase. lucky them that they managed a refinance. curious if bitpay announces anything soon.
BingoBoingo: Well Coinbase got financing. BitPay because of the publicity stunt gets belt tightening.
kakobrekla: actually that bp thing smells like koruption to me
kakobrekla: the bowl sponsorship or whatever the fuck
mircea_popescu: how'd that go ?
BingoBoingo: Oh few things are as corrupt as College Football. It is gloriously corrupt.
mircea_popescu: "medium awareness" << triple pun of win!
BingoBoingo: I mean with the plantation slaves... I mean University Student Athletes... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932265/
assbot: "South Park" Crack Baby Athletic Association (TV Episode 2011) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS8vdC )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this. << of course there's also the possibility they made it up. not the 1st time.
mircea_popescu: ps : "DDoS protection by CloudFlare" does not actually work.
Adlai: more like "DoS centralization courtesy of CloudFlare"
BingoBoingo: Well of course. They probably don't have a giant folder with the whole SEC file. I wouldn't put it past them to have a friend who happens to be a government secretary somewhere.
Adlai: "Why so serious? Let us put a smile on that face of yours, and turn a 404 into a 503 today!"
Adlai: only9.99,termsandconditionsmayapply
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams? <<< the explanation is quite pedestrian. there's a bunch of fuctards who imagine they're "the coimmunity" notwithstanding they have no money and no political importance. because hey, they FEEL like they should matter. these derps ineffectually tried to prop up mtgox. they failed, but they don't wish to confront the why there, so instead the
mircea_popescu: y prefer blaming fatso.
mircea_popescu: who is generally stupid and lazy, and i doubt teh story will stick, but hey. angry narcissists.
mircea_popescu: Adlai thing is , page simply does not resolve unless you run bad software.
mircea_popescu: that's plenty of modern browsers, of course, but hey.
BingoBoingo: Well somewhere I think someone brought up a govt agent suspecting Fatty was also Thermos
mircea_popescu: and obama.
BingoBoingo: Karpeles is probably secretly Lizard Hitler too.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE" << lolz. rly ?!
mircea_popescu: what's next, bifinex is a lulzy scamfest and btcjam loses 30% of your moneyz every coupla quarters ?
mircea_popescu: soon enough 2012 will be like, rediscovered.
assbot: Bitfinex exchange owner admits to using inside information to trade on own platform : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSaVsH )
Adlai: good thing bitfinex doesn't trade stocks and there's no such thing as insider forex trading
Adlai: (fsvo "good")
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is elastic, it can be anything you want it to be. "commodity"
kakobrekla: more like cumodity
mircea_popescu: !up nubbins`
mircea_popescu: hey ever managed to reg ?
assbot: New police radars can 'see' inside homes ... ( http://bit.ly/1xScwij )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "walls". ie, vinyl siding.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. It's just amazing how shitware isn't limited to the stuff that Stan blawgs about.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: Yes, a MASTER CARVER who normally earns $450 (or is it $800 (or is it $3,000)) per hour is willing to make Butterfly Labs dildos for $18/hr.
mircea_popescu: i lulzd.
mircea_popescu: the last master carver to have made 3k an hour was known by his moustache.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dun think anyone who a) isn't mentally retarded and b) looked at any item more than cursorily failed to realise it's a computer etch.
mircea_popescu: i know i sort-of considered having something done when he was first brought up but dropped after actually looking at w/e it was at the tgime.
mircea_popescu: !up STRML
STRML: Thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you register your key with assbot, aquire some trust and then can self-voice.
nubbins`: mp XD
STRML: Great, I'll check the docs
mircea_popescu: !up diana_coman
nubbins`: i'm in read-only mode in that thread from now on, it's too rich
mircea_popescu: STRML assbot documented pretty well on wiki.
nubbins`: like eating an entire cheesecake
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tbh i think it's forcing a point. anyone buying whatever on puffery is stuck.
mircea_popescu: it's not fraud to say you're "a master artisan". it'd have been a fraud had it been a regulated profession.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: curious if bitpay announces anything soon.
thestringpuller: ^- sooner than you think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00049359 = 12.3398 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: fair enough
nubbins`: i got drawn in by his insistence on obfuscating the fact
mircea_popescu: and tbh, tiny chisels do exist.
nubbins`: i know!
mircea_popescu: mostly carbide tipped
nubbins`: too bad he shows me the 3/4" ones instead
mircea_popescu: expensive as all shit, the 1/26 1/32 stuff
assbot: Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGACU7 )
nubbins`: ^ final send-off
nubbins`: odd imperial sizes are a terrible thing
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: rumor is they've been seeking more funding. dunno if they'll announce another round soon or not.
nubbins`: you know how much a 9/16" drill bit costs?
Adlai: STRML: you from bitmex?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not much need for that to be a rumour. obviousness is obvious, i dun think anyone doesn't know they are.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not by heart, but yes, you can probably buy a girl in the shadier part of town for less.
nubbins`: i :0'd last time i had to buy one
nubbins`: anyway, poor kid will learn his craft over time. i guess
STRML: Adlai: Yep :)
kakobrekla: !s bitmex
assbot: 0 results for 'bitmex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitmex
mircea_popescu: nah, this isn't really how you learn that.
mircea_popescu: it'slikesaying kid driving will evetually learn to marathon
assbot: BitMEX - Bitcoin Mercantile Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSg3No )
nubbins`: i meant the craft of lasering things, perhaps in a booth at the mall
mircea_popescu: that's basically how you make keys right ?
STRML: We are a derivatives exchange for investors and speculators who are serious about the products they trade. I could give you the whole pitch but I don't want to spam the channel :)
mircea_popescu: STRML so who is the serious traders that built it ?
nubbins`: more or less
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgp6V )
nubbins`: that type shit
nubbins`: engraving/keycutting/lasering is a popular combo
STRML: mircea_popescu: Our cofounders and board members have 40+ years combined in banking
nubbins`: altho tbf keys are mostly still ground
mircea_popescu: names if you will.
kakobrekla: 100 1yearold have 100 years experience
STRML: Arthur Hayes - Deutsche Bank, and Joseph Jeong, DB, Credit Suisse, et al
assbot: About Us - BitMEX ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgJTd )
mircea_popescu: "BitMEX is the first centrally cleared derivatives exchange. " << the first it certainly isn't.
mircea_popescu: ah, i clicked the about but nothing happened. js issue i guess.
thestringpuller: Everyone thinks bitcoin is ready for options again cause they know how to write JS
STRML: We don't think it's ready for options at all, actually
thestringpuller: "This platform is bugged" "But it looks pretty!"
mircea_popescu: "Arthur Hayes obtained his BA in Economics at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania in 2008. "
mircea_popescu: this is the antithesis of "experienced" you know.
STRML: I understand, the majority of our experience is in our engine author who wishes to remain unnamed
thestringpuller: makes it easier to take the money and run
STRML: For him, perhaps, not for us
STRML: We are very public about who we are
Adlai: well you could just get the engine sauce audited, then revoke anonybob's access
STRML: To be clear, that was a joke; we use multisig internally, it is not possible for our unnamed cofounder to cut and run
STRML: The only reason he is as of yet unnamed is because he is still employed
Adlai: ah yes, the fabled noncompete
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VTSEYM.txt )
Adlai has yet to hear of successful noncompete litigation
mircea_popescu: so Jeong threw some money , which is what he does, a sicrit expert wrote "the engine" and an eager black guy class of 2008 wants to play the danny brewster.
STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile?
Adlai: yes :)
mircea_popescu: depends to what.
STRML: We are nothing but open about what we do and how we do it, with the exception of that cofounder's name
STRML: I believe we're a breath of fresh air in the derivatives space, which is dominated by players who barely understand derivatives to begin with
mircea_popescu: by the way, anyone remember reddit ? http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/ << top kek.
assbot: Neo & Bee: the first genuine alternative to traditional banking ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGDKPW )
mircea_popescu: STRML do you understand the space between a claim and a fact ? anyone can say that. in fact, people tend to. this doesn't correlate with anything substantial.
STRML: And we're the only derivs exchange that doesn't do socialized losses. It takes a far different approach to guarantee something like that
STRML: Of course your word means little in the Bitcoin space
STRML: It's a matter of building a reputation and maintaining it. Only way to do that is to consistently be trustworthy over a significant period of time.
mircea_popescu: STRML no, not my word. my word means plenty. your word means little, but for very good reason : 1) you're not in the wot and b) you've not do your reading.
STRML: Just because I haven't spent much time on this particular IRC channel doesn't mean that I, and by extension my company, is untrustworthy
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
STRML: But I am happy to enter the WoT
danielpbarron: "Blazedout commissioned a $14,000 art piece. I shipped it first and he followed through with payment as promised." << LOL, Blazedout419 was the sucker?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Isn't he often that?
kakobrekla: thats all he is really.
assbot: Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSjMuq )
danielpbarron: i didn't realize he had such a reputation in here! I mostly know about him from when i used to idle in -otc
kakobrekla: no, he is the perfect scam magnet
kakobrekla: one of the rare ones still working.
mircea_popescu: no, that it doesn't. my suspicion is, as far as i'm personally concerned, grounded mostly in the fact that you had no idea that, for instance, mpoe covered ~30k btc worth of derivative losses without "sociualising". this in 2013.
assbot: MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSk58H )
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's the video proof ?
asciilifeform: btw, re: photos: typical laser cut. some even show signs of raster scan.
nubbins`: he's, uh, coming up with it in the next few days.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah im with kako, they seem to stick to him somehow.
nubbins`: the thread's there so he doesn't need to waste time making it later.
mircea_popescu: oh i see. it'd better be some sort of "leave britny alone!!!1" thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi what posseses someone to take a perfectly valid product and pretend it's something else.
asciilifeform: would someone like to explain why the wood art fellow insists he does not use a laser? (he has photos of lathe, chisel, etc. but those are clearly necessary to forming the basic contours prior to lasering. so no surprise. but why does he deny the use of the laser?)
kakobrekla: cause the lasers dont come out of his eyes
thestringpuller: STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile? << You're asking to put your arm into the woodchipper and we're telling you its not going to be fun if you do.
mircea_popescu: "How many times you look at it. It was clearly carve by a 40 to 60 watts co2 laser. " << i'm with him. looks just about right.
STRML: thestringpuller: Hah you're not wrong at all
mircea_popescu: nubbins` (btw, asciilifeforms been doing a ton of plastic and other matter cutting with an actual laser for cardano project, so... expert testimony)
asciilifeform: a little bit of laser, yes. anyone who has so much as tried a laser cutter will recognize the result in the photo.
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/K0g0N4kl.jpg ahahaha wut. THAT is the proof ?
mircea_popescu: dude i have one of those. I used it recently to fix a door
mircea_popescu: make way for master craftisan / doorartist me.
asciilifeform: imho that thread was merely an elaborate troll.
mircea_popescu: you're too suspicious asciilifeform. most people are actually dumb.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, since doormouse exists, maybe it's time to have doorartist too ? someone using half pound chisels as proof of artisanry?
BingoBoingo: Linux needs to dump Linus girl's story http://pastebin.com/3jAQARCy
assbot: My Statement - Shanley - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSmr7k )
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo always /w da dramatic scoop
mircea_popescu: "Last Thursday, I criticized the Linux community for continuing to support and center a leader with a years-long, documented history of unrepentant abusive behavior, someone who has actively and systematically nurtured a hostile, homogeneous technical community, and someone who has long actively chased people from marginalized groups out of open source."
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Seems to be an especially strong week for drama. I anticipate Moon.
mircea_popescu: this is what linus is. no name, no nothing, anon idiot gets to use his own qualifiers.
mircea_popescu: "The retaliation has been terrifying." << no, it hasn't.
mircea_popescu: not nearly terrifying enough.
STRML: mircea_popescu: Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do, I didn't realize you were behind MPEx
STRML: My partners are much more tuned into finance and the Bitcoin scene than I am, I handle the web aspects of the service
mircea_popescu: but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer.
BingoBoingo: STRML: Who do you think put the MP in MPEx
BingoBoingo: !up STRML
mircea_popescu: which is why i said "depends to what". if you come in and say "hi guise, remember that problem with the derivatives ? check out this solution i figured out!!!"
mircea_popescu: if the solution is actually good that gets you a spot.
asciilifeform: -dormouse-. hibernates, edible.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no price signal << MP ain't opening the studio up until this is fixed
mircea_popescu: but the usual "hey i made a company which is a website which makes claims which are either trivially falsified or not provable because reasons", well...
mircea_popescu: we get a lot of those.
BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman
asciilifeform: glis glis
STRML: I completely understand what you're getting at
STRML: And it's of course natural not to trust newcomers
mircea_popescu: except we trust newcomers all the time.
STRML: Not much I can do about that. I can get our CEO on here at some point in the near future
thestringpuller: kid not listening
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 21:55:19; mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
mircea_popescu: and there's plenty you can do about that. start with you know, the variety speak.
undata: ahoy! I'll probably have a prototype working on testnet this evening or the next
mircea_popescu: "^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round." lmao that thread's so adorable.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> -dormouse-. hibernates, edible. < not a big fan but their fat is traditionally used for a buncha medical stuff
mircea_popescu: undata pretty cool
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla buttplugs ?!
mircea_popescu: buttplug lube! doormouse blubber!
kakobrekla: the fat? for skin issues and such
kakobrekla: joints too i hear.
asciilifeform: iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up
kakobrekla: my grandfather still hunts em in the wild.
mircea_popescu: "You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions." << you're screwed nubbins`. you know how many times ima link to this ? do you ? DO YOU ? :D
nubbins`: haha
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aren't they trapped ? actually hunted instead ?!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up << Basically equivalent to American fascination with chicken wings. Eat all of them before going to the Vomitorium.
nubbins`: artisan dope smoker
nubbins`: i don't think he realizes you can silkscreen on things other than t-shirts
kakobrekla: yes, should be more specific, they are trapped
kakobrekla: we still call it 'hunt' though.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla for a moment there i had a vision of a tiny dog pack coursing for mice over a tiny field.
kakobrekla: and hand grenades.
mircea_popescu: well, smaller ones. thumb grenades.
mircea_popescu: cherry bombs lol
BingoBoingo still wants a table salt shotgun for hunting spiders.
asciilifeform: when i lived in a flat with mice, rats, i dreamed of tiny shotguns
assbot: Wood Collectors Bitcoin Art ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSpuMM )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tiny arbalest is feasible...
nubbins`: the guy with the 5 day old account says he's legit
kakobrekla: asciilifeform you mean in merrica?
nubbins`: you can tell it's legit because it's almost the same username as the guy who originally commissioned the piece, then vanished without a trace
mircea_popescu: "AND EVEN, if this pieces were carved by a laser... I would still love them and they would still be unique." win.
mircea_popescu: let's not dispute the actual facts in contention but instead spew a ton of emotional bs. that's the way!
mats: BingoBoingo: holy shit, that pastebin is terrible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, in america, the flat i moved out of last may
kakobrekla: well its 17.950 for the wood, 49 shipping and 1 dorra lazering
nubbins`: i think this is my first hate thread
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the DESIGN is unique. except for the part where this old woman whose daughter i used to fuck on occasion had a plastic tablecloth in the same color and pattern.
nubbins`: i'd bet it's free vector clipart
nubbins`: obv no way to prove
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's your own fault tho, you worded it too strong.
mircea_popescu: a lack of taste is not really a scam
nubbins`: more a misrepresentation than anything
nubbins`: what can i say, grumpy morning 8)
mircea_popescu: but hey, it did get the lulz flowing.
nubbins` nods sagely
mircea_popescu: " I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before."
nubbins`: he puffs himself up so much, hey?
mircea_popescu: vanity, my favourite sin.
assbot: Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/181ntcr )
fluffypony: "GAW should be evaluating this SEC investigation troll to see if the conditions are right for a libel suit against the people behind it. A retainer on a case like this would be in the vicinity of $50k - $100k and costs could run to $250k - $500k by the time its done. If such a case is to proceed it will take a minimum of two years, but an injunction against any further disparagement should be sought at once."
mircea_popescu: totally.
assbot: GavinTech: Twenty Megabytes testing results ... ( http://bit.ly/181nDAF )
mod6: oh here we go
assbot: Error 503: Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1xStXiC )
nubbins`: here's an actual master carver
nubbins`: essentially a BFL dildo.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, hand carving mostly consists of doing "the edges" specifically because laser chased them off the flat surface.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, that thread is exactly what one'd expect : everyone with even half a clue, all the way to smoothie saw the same thing i saw. we're not like experts or anything.
nubbins`: content to just let it fester now, with the occasional jab to keep the bees from settling too much
mircea_popescu: "This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started." sounds like the social media artisan :D
thestringpuller: LOL Gavin
thestringpuller: HOLY FUCK
nubbins`: the bulk of my clients
thestringpuller: This graph
nubbins`: do your clients need supportive undergarments?
mircea_popescu: i was right ?!
mircea_popescu: that like never happens.
thestringpuller: Didn't he say to you, "No one is saying make the block size infinite"
thestringpuller: on contravex or something?
mircea_popescu: o wait, usgavin lied ?!
thestringpuller: and this graph is straight up exponent!!!
mircea_popescu: that like... never happens!
thestringpuller: I KNO RTIE
thestringpuller: USGavin is trustworthy and honest, and the hero bitcoin deserves and needs!!!!!111
thestringpuller: who cares if he killed two kids
mircea_popescu: whoa, dude actually butchered a chunk of berchemia to make his shotgun-cut atrocity ?!
Apocalyptic: heh I see Gavin delivered, as expected
hanbot: haha nubbins`, enjoyed reading you on the warpath
mircea_popescu: o look at that, from the actual expert in the field herself :)
nubbins`: aw, tyvm
mircea_popescu: nubbins` prepare to be famous. i hear you're really a woman ?
mircea_popescu: scientology much ?
nubbins`: hanbot, i indulge too infrequently ;(
nubbins`: mp does this mean pasc is a lesbo?
hanbot: no, it means she's one of your multiple personalities. and a lesbo.
mircea_popescu: it's worse than that. it means... uh... hm.
mircea_popescu: well, worse anyway.
nubbins`: thrilling
ben_vulpes: so my bank shipped a new feature
ben_vulpes: "log into your mobile app with your face"
nubbins`: i was gonna try selling some of our bird books on the forum, but i guess i'll probably let things cool off for a bit
mircea_popescu: nubbins` maybe help the idiot kids make a proper gpg contract? that shit's a sore eye by now
ben_vulpes: i recorded a video of my face on biz_partners phone, and played it for the facial recognition shit
ben_vulpes: and it logged me in
nubbins`: ben_vulpes heh
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is insanity ?!
nubbins`: sikyoorady
ben_vulpes: bank claims that this feature is being crammed down their throats by apple for apple pay
mircea_popescu: but.it.is.insanity
ben_vulpes: naw man
ben_vulpes: this is bezzle
mircea_popescu: so anyone can now log into any politician's account ?
nubbins`: bezzle life
ben_vulpes: anyways i tried to do the responsible disclosure thing
mircea_popescu: can i spend kim assdashian's money yet ?
nubbins`: so i lost my username and password for the CRA website (canadian IRS)
nubbins`: do you know it was the most goddamn inconvenient thing in the world to get reset?
ben_vulpes: i'll give it mebbe a week and then release the video
nubbins`: i was actually impressed at how frustrating it was
undata: hilarious
nubbins`: if someone could social engineer that shit, they deserve whatever they find
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait. you played his phone to your phone and it took ?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu gets it
mircea_popescu: no fucking way
ben_vulpes: way fucking way
mircea_popescu: they didn't as much as put a glare cutoff in there ?!
thestringpuller: fingerprint scanners are the same thing
thestringpuller: you can literally photocopy someones finger
thestringpuller: no need to cut figners off anymore
ben_vulpes: watch me end up in jail for unauthorized access of my own accounts
mircea_popescu: i'm so fucking blown away...
ben_vulpes: bank claims its apple
ben_vulpes: apple refuses to say anything
ben_vulpes: and i can't figure out how to turn it off
mircea_popescu: so wait. i have a humongous library of 2257 notices. prolly tens of k's.
mircea_popescu: does this mean i can log into all the girl's accounts now ?
ben_vulpes: notices?
mircea_popescu: pron thing, the usians came up with this idiotic law that you must make so and so footage of models.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, it includes their mugs. unsurprisingly, anyone ever involved ended up with copies,
ben_vulpes: if their banks are using the thing
mircea_popescu: because people were so petrified they might lose a set.
ben_vulpes: as one should be...
mircea_popescu: the hard problem of back-ups for people who don't crypto.
mircea_popescu: this is beyond stupid.
ben_vulpes: OKAY IVE DISENROLLED
undata: they'll improve it by proposing chip-in-hand
ben_vulpes: chip in dick
ben_vulpes: dickterprints
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you can continue with that bank.
ben_vulpes: yeah.
ben_vulpes: well hey here's another fun thing
mircea_popescu: i mean, go rape a toddler instead. better off for society.
thestringpuller: people still use banks?
thestringpuller: my grandparents told me to put money under mattress
thestringpuller: and not trust banks
ben_vulpes: apple pay's going to try to gobble all the banks, so if my bank's truthful about it being apple's fault, i'll just end up with the same problem.
thestringpuller: so I've been doing that
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no matter.
mircea_popescu: cause, not effect.
mod6: thestringpuller: they were right, except they didn't figure in fed[ctrl+p]
jurov: really, 10x blocksize increase every 5 years?
mircea_popescu: jurov no, not really. just in the parallel universe where usg matters.
jurov: in past i was arguing in favor of increasing the limit, too.. but no such madness
Apocalyptic: jurov, well reddit wants moon, I guess they got it
mircea_popescu: fork is a bad idea anyway.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu 2257.com available or what?
nubbins`: it's a public service
mircea_popescu: it actually is ?
jurov: i'm surprised gavin isn't considering rule like "allow for blocksize increase if tx fees bigger than some % of coinbase"
jurov: no he must do it in stupidest way possible
mircea_popescu: jurov you realise how easy this is to game ?
mircea_popescu: miner makes a block out of tx with huge fees that he doesn't broadcast. if it goes in, it's in. if not, no loss.
jurov: what? it would be based on lots of past blocks, not only one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93068 @ 0.00048435 = 45.0775 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: like difficulty.. i meant is only as illustration as opposed to diddling magic numbers
mircea_popescu: i mine 1k btc as fees. what now ?
assbot: Verizon sprints to crush FiOS account exposure hole • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqLzwu )
mircea_popescu: "XDA senior software developer Randy Westergren said the FiOS API flaw since fixed allowed any account to be accessed by manipulating user identification numbers in web requests." shit sherlock.
jurov: it averages over past 10000 blocks
jurov: what would you gain? to count you'd have to publish the block anyway so that it isn't orphaned
mircea_popescu: i can do it probably ten times in 10k blocks with very little costs.
mircea_popescu: block i publish. the tx however, i don't broadcast.
mircea_popescu: "The app hacker quietly reported the holes to Verizon which issued a fix Friday, two days after it was disclosed, and rewarded Westergren with a year's worth of free internet." << heh, bad deal.
mircea_popescu: what happened to "verizon fired its entire security staff, hired hacker to form a new team" ?
mircea_popescu: "fifty eight men join plumbing school as the notion they will ever be hired to do anything with computers is laughable"
BingoBoingo: Plumbing school admits on its own WoT
mircea_popescu: i guess that leaves bagging groceries.
BingoBoingo: I mean someone is going to have to vouch you aren't a shithead to get an apprenticeship
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: "If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself." << i have personally fucked women whose time was actually that sort of money. i bought lunch.
mircea_popescu: THIS HAPPENS NUBBINS`
jurov: mircea_popescu: you would be able to do it only every 100 blocks and since you wouldn't then use external tx fees, rather unprofitable
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't get your logic. why can't i use external tx fees ?
mircea_popescu: i can put anything i want in a block.
jurov: to avoid then lowering the %
jurov: *them
mircea_popescu: not clear why only once in 100, but granted that, 10 btc in fees per block on average is like what, 1mn% more than now ?
mircea_popescu: uh, you want a per tx% ? i thought you just wanted per block aggregate.
jurov: per volume
jurov: % of volume
mircea_popescu: that's even noisier you realise.
mircea_popescu: i put in a satoshi with 1k fee.
jurov: and you wouldn't be able to spend the 1k again in 100 blocks
jurov: or how much it is
mircea_popescu: 120 ? is that just for newly minted coins or fees too ?
jurov: the tx fees go together with newly minted coins afaik
Apocalyptic: well the newly minted coins and the fees are in the same output
mircea_popescu: aha yeah. ok.
mircea_popescu: still, not enough of a hobble.
jurov: *shrug* i can see miners fixing thousands of bitcoins in attempt to raise blocksize, but how feasible scenraion it is, dunno
jurov: *scenario
assbot: What's Up With That: Building Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqPwkV )
mircea_popescu: jurov make an actual model and i can show you numerically how feasible it is. or otherwise, estimatively, it'd cost about 1 btc to make the blocks any arbitrary size.
mircea_popescu: incredible what a thing that forum is.
jurov: let's say blocksize is allowed to go up by 10% if > 10% of volume are tx fees in past 2016 blocks (same as difficulty)
mircea_popescu: 10% of volume ?!
mircea_popescu: hory shit, i yield.
jurov: yes, let's be conservative
mircea_popescu: well just don't make it scale down bvy the same formula
mircea_popescu: (tbh such a change is pure gunk, bitcoin will NEVER carry 10% fees, ever. period.)
jurov: why not?
jurov: tx fees will certainly end up higher than now, but how much?
jurov: how much % asks swift?
mircea_popescu: swift is fixed fee.
mircea_popescu: currently tx fees are in the range of 0.000000001% to 0.001%. they will increase, yes. degrees of magnitude, yes. past 1% as an average is unlikely, because alternatives will become lucrative enough. such as you know, people would stop "tipping" etc.
jurov: hm, 1% in current situation means 5-10 BTC per day
jurov: would stay much less than mining reward this century
asciilifeform: bigger roads.. traffic worse << impedence mismatch. see also example, 'belady's anomaly', in computing/electronics
mircea_popescu: jurov the current situationb isn
mircea_popescu: is not the be all-end all to judge things on.
mircea_popescu: a system where 1k btc out of a 15mn currency base moves EACH DAY has exceedingly slow velocity.
mircea_popescu: as btc matures, velocity will approach more reasonable values.
jurov: i dunno if it's possible for the volume to be magnitudes more
mircea_popescu: i would suspect once we've beheaed gavin for things to proceed apace and by 2020 or so to have a more reasonable 50 to 100k move daily, of which that 1% is then maybe 50 btc a day.
mircea_popescu: as this carries on eventuyally fees will exceed block rewards sometime that decade.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Interesting comparison in SimCity. So you plan roads all willy nilly. I like curves yay! Etc. anyhow. traffic starts building up cause your shit ain't planned well.
mircea_popescu: jurov not possible huh ? compare M3 to world trade figures.
thestringpuller: So you upgrade the roads
thestringpuller: to 4 lanes instead of 2
thestringpuller: well guess what the buildings nearby the roads upgrade too
jurov: world trade incl forex ?
mircea_popescu: jurov all trade.
mircea_popescu: all of it. everything.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in real life, the jams begin immediately after the road is widened. because impedence mismatch, elementary. nothing to do with the population around the road, on that timescale.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice the very convenient "uilding Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse" just on the tail end of two decades of "we can't actually afford to build anything anymore" and as "we can't really even maintain what we got" sets in.
mircea_popescu: eerilie reminiscent of how "financial discipline" was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s
mircea_popescu: but somehow it's NOT what the us has to do, once the us turned into a cold war ghetto.
thestringpuller: ^- this is essentially simulated in older versions of sim city
thestringpuller: then you start operating on cheat codes
thestringpuller: type "FUNDS" several hundred times
asciilifeform: the traffic-obeying-impedence and other fluid dynamics laws has been known for ages.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea but we don't pay our civil engineers nearly enough, or allocated enough money to design to warrant good roads in this country at least.
danielpbarron: i remember simcity on snes where you had to intentionally get taxed into negative to get the money value to wrap around to 999`999
asciilifeform: 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills.
mircea_popescu: but somehow it's not now the case that *I* should waltz in washington and buy the monument for a few bitcents.
mircea_popescu: odd how this "experts agree" thing works.
thestringpuller: how is it odd?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember that ruin you showed me in Timis? asked 'what does it cost', and you said 'you can buy but city hall'll make you clean it'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the definition of an expert is, fundamentally, "one whose judgements are not based on his own circumstance".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't clean it, i'd just host impalement orgies for kidnapped daughters of the "elite" doing whatever women's studies bullshit in college.
mircea_popescu: a decade or two of that should put the country on pretty decent footing.
mircea_popescu: it did in russia, at any rate. romania idem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that -is- cleaning.
mircea_popescu: myeah, i guess so.
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mircea_popescu: check this inane shit out
mircea_popescu: "to take a closer look at the problem. In 2009, two economists—Matthew Turner of the University of Toronto and Gilles Duranton of the University of Pennsylvania—decided to compare the amount of new roads and highways built in different U.S. cities between 1980 and 2000, and the total number of miles driven in those cities over the same period.
mircea_popescu: “We found that there’s this perfect one-to-one relationship,” said Turner.
mircea_popescu: If a city had increased its road capacity by 10 percent between 1980 and 1990, then the amount of driving in that city went up by 10 percent. If the amount of roads in the same city then went up by 11 percent between 1990 and 2000, the total number of miles driven also went up by 11 percent. It’s like the two figures were moving in perfect lockstep, changing at the same exact rate."
mircea_popescu: academics in the scholarly academic topic of correlation is causation.
asciilifeform: get married, grow taller!
mircea_popescu: "when divorce occurence in a population increases by 10%, the per-capita dependent children figure goes up by 10%. when 12%, 12%. clearly, divorce causes fertility."
mircea_popescu: "it's not like we're counting fewer people as a basis or anything"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00047714 = 25.5747 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "nothing substantial has changed anywhere else but where we want you to look. please infer"
mircea_popescu: fucking roadshow circus tricks, wtf.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsea2tJlIm1qcjzz2o1_500.jpg << intelligent, educated young woman doing expert work. in sheer contrast to the idiots quoted above, who suck.
jurov: i gathered velocity of world money is somewhere around 1-2 yearly.. and yes, such velocity means 50-100k BTC/day
ben_vulpes: odd question
ben_vulpes: what's the opposite of a fixed asset?
ben_vulpes: (i suspect that when you increase road surface by 10%, road miles go up far more than that)
assbot: Fixed asset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH00ro )
ben_vulpes: pretty much, jurov
assbot: fortune page from Section 1 of the /1/fortune manual ... ( http://bit.ly/155xljr )
BingoBoingo: looks like plan 9 development is picking up https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/features
assbot: features - plan9front - New features - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155xPGh )
undata: BingoBoingo: google leaning into it?
BingoBoingo: undata: Nah, just some group forked it and is hosting the thing on google code
undata: interesting
assbot: news - 2014 - 12 - 11 - 0 ... ( http://bit.ly/155ysQ9 )
assbot: HTTP 0.2 (ie., HTTP 2.0 / 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/155z7kl )
assbot: feminize - plan9front - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155z8oG )
assbot: e263d58bfeda - plan9front - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155zqvL )
thestringpuller: cazalla be in hiding?
joecool: o you guys upgraded the bot
thestringpuller: joecool: kakobrekla upgraded the bot
joecool: thestringpuller: probably for the best, is the db still centralized to the WoT or is it a new system?
thestringpuller: joecool: 2 wotdb's now
thestringpuller: joecool: assbot updates its own wotdb forked from nanotube 's
thestringpuller: so there are now 2 wot's
joecool: thestringpuller: ah, is there a particular reason why it was useful to fork?
danielpbarron: joecool, everyone else was doing it!
danielpbarron: not gonna let anderpson show us up
thestringpuller: ^- that's a good one :D
joecool: thestringpuller: so does this bot support ratings as well?
joecool: that are stored separate from the original WoT db?
thestringpuller: that's the tl;dr of it
mircea_popescu: so wait, "you must accept MY altchain because otherwise you get a CHOICE of alt chains" ? this is the gavin pro-fork argument ?
mircea_popescu: it's funny what vanity does to people. is he actually blind to how his entire position reduces to "i wish to be relevant, damn the world" ? neat.
asciilifeform: soon we find out whether the button given to the usg shill is actually wired to anything ?
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
mircea_popescu: hard to tell, the one thing cowards and idiots have in common is that both talk the tough talk all the way through.
mircea_popescu: only real difference being the idiots don't have sense enough to chicken out right before the jump
hanbot: commented on his blogspot lol
mircea_popescu: im not gonna blogspot.
thestringpuller: but you'll wordpress?
thestringpuller: hanbot: lemme guess "Congrats on being an idiot gavin" is you?
mircea_popescu: yeah. wordpress is at least open source shit.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: would this be like cartoon where someone threatens to fire nuke. presses button, and out pops confetti and lil' jon yelling "YEAAA BOMBS!!!!" ???
undata: !b 1
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scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-board-of-indirectors/
scoopbot: New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/bitcointalk-staff/
davout: lesson: don't fuck with your permalinks
mircea_popescu: http://www.avictorian.com/fanlanguage.html << just in case anyone is morbidly curious
mircea_popescu: (yes the fan convention existed)
mircea_popescu: (and this is the author's tit : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Madame_de_Genlis_by_Lemoine.jpg in the good tradition that a woman must show her breasts ifshe wants to be taken seriously).
mircea_popescu: !up Sleepnbum
nubbins`: but it's so oddly placed
mircea_popescu: hand carved bitch
davout: mircea_popescu: haha
nubbins`: nah 100% laser
thestringpuller: ;;later tell cazalla send me PM when you get a chance.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: crikey
jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/source/src/init.cpp << source xreference with clickable identifiers
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/181JLLi )
jurov: it will get reorganized, so far only upstream 0.5.3 for testing
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: have you seen much actual derping in public about this nisman thing?
jurov: and it's open for ad space preorders
ben_vulpes: 404, jurov
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
mircea_popescu: something like, "a bunch of people who appear bussed in, and some derps organizing". ie, it looked to me like astroturf.
jurov: ben_vulpes ahh it's the ersatz hosting
mircea_popescu: but tell you what, da got assassinated by president (there's absolutely no doubt cristina kirschener ordered it, and it was an assassinate) and... no manifestation.,
mircea_popescu: nothing.
mircea_popescu: so i am satisfied that all the "manifestations" are just so much empty theatre.
jurov: was there any idea how to refer to patched releases? i need some handle under which to publish them in lxr
ben_vulpes: jurov: how about you hold off on publishing the patched set for now.
jurov: why?
ben_vulpes: do you plan to run lxr on each patch?
ben_vulpes: or to say, run an lxr instance for each successive patch?
jurov: it does support multiple versions
ben_vulpes: well, nm. ignore me
ben_vulpes: you might consider using the patch names as a handle
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what kinds of "public meetings" happen?
mircea_popescu: you familiar with this thing where a bunch of people holding signs walk or stand ?
ben_vulpes: myeah
jurov: i'll return to these patches later, now i have to finally fix the s3 suffering
ben_vulpes: so they're *all* bogus?
mircea_popescu: yes, i believe so.
ben_vulpes: jurov: s3 is suffering
ben_vulpes: on whose dime?
mircea_popescu: govt can print. and does print. which is how it went bankrupt.
mircea_popescu: you can't get me to seriously think that some intricate point of policy yields 500 people holding signs in the street,
ben_vulpes: and will again indubitably
mircea_popescu: and then simple political murder, of the most shameless sort, fails to stir three dudes.
ben_vulpes: oh, this shit goes down for arcane policy points?
mircea_popescu: clearly the population is not naturally represented in this process.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes to get a couple aweek you gotta scrape pretty thin yea ?
ben_vulpes: yeah i think i'm going to hold off on moving to argentina until the next round of food riots clear out.
mircea_popescu: i like food riots.
mircea_popescu: but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?
mircea_popescu: i would expect a degree of magnitude more pressure as a result of this rather than that.
ben_vulpes: fear of those in power?
mircea_popescu: turns out, when a government is the terrorist, all is ok. but if individuals are the terrorists, oh noes, gotta make the press talk of nothing else for a month.
ben_vulpes: spectre of the old regime?
mircea_popescu: i am personally in favour of so much individual terrorism until it is inconceivable for the slightest hint of the state doing it,
mircea_popescu: whereas individual terrorism is regarded as ordinary and perhaps welcome.
mircea_popescu: so... love food riots. if president + government get raped and impaled, all the better.
mircea_popescu: hopefully they get replaced, and the replacements get raped and impaled as well.
mircea_popescu: and may this process outlast the century.
hanbot: lol simmer down mp!
mod6: jurov: what is lxr?
assbot: LXR Cross Referencer | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zv6jiU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00047409 = 18.1576 BTC [-]
scoopbot: New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/gavineries/
davout: mircea_popescu: "but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?" <<< easier for the media to blame teh arabs than to blame their president i'd say
davout: but if this murder thing is that obvious, zero is indeed very low amount of protest
nubbins`: apathy is the new concern
mod6: davout: thx for posting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00047146 = 14.8981 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20049 @ 0.00047146 = 9.4523 BTC [-]
assbot: Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/156xEuk )
kakobrekla: >the best guess from our devs is that the bid was filtered out because the highest bid was > lowest ask.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: you around?
mircea_popescu: davout here's the story : big bombing here in the 70s, at the jewish center. dozens of victims.
mircea_popescu: teheran was behind it. first investigation said so. presidency (same fambly since forever) tabled it.
mircea_popescu: they created a "joint comission" with iran. it didn't get anywhere.
mircea_popescu: da finally came out and said, here's how the president is linked to the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: next day, he
mircea_popescu: 's "commited suicide".
assbot: Gavin Andresen On Future Blockchain Security: I Dunno LOL! | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/156Ddsx )
felipelalli: how can I fix that? I can't delete or update it.
mircea_popescu: "Edit: On IRC, Gavin explained he already talked to most (all?) big merchant processors and exchanges, and they were all onboard." derp.
asciilifeform: any reason to doubt that the usg exchanges and other scum are 'on board' (for what that's worth) ?
mircea_popescu: lots of reason to doubt that it's worth anything.
mircea_popescu: but yes, im sure gavin "talked" to everyone handled by the same office.
asciilifeform: the academic question of whether the abortus will die merciful death or live on as circus freak ?
mircea_popescu: this is fine, the us wants to be humiliated on this front too, let it be humiliated on this front too.
mircea_popescu: just as long as it's plainly clear what's what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "ukrainian government" still exists right ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i heard, not impaled yet
mircea_popescu: so if they're willing to commit to the same level, they'll get the same result.
assbot: Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/156FBiY )
nubbins`: so much gold
mircea_popescu: "Every step of the way he kept me updated. "
mircea_popescu: you know, the fucking exchanges send like an email on everything now?
nubbins`: "here is some hamster nesting sprinkled on your piece"
nubbins`: "I happen to be a woodworker of 40+ years myself (yes, I really am that old) and I contacted WoodCollecter just a couple days ago to see if he was interested in buying some Ironwood, although I never looked at his work. Now i see this and my mind is completely boggled. I did not read every post here, but I can affirm the opinion of a few I saw that have said that the intricate carving in question is done with a laser. I am 100% sure about
nubbins`: it. NO doubt, case closed."
mircea_popescu: from derpyexchange subject :"mouse movement detected"
nubbins`: "You can clearly see the line by line marks left on this piece that are definitely, without a doubt, with 100% certainty left by a laser engraver exactly the same as a printer does:"
nubbins`: lados
asciilifeform: lol, what happened to scams that were at least plausible.
mircea_popescu: this one is just as plausible. all you need is to be stupid.
asciilifeform: but folks that stupid ought to be buying brooklyn bridge.
asciilifeform: or at least playing straight pyramids.
mircea_popescu: He did the BTC from memory << ok that's pretty good lol
mircea_popescu: nubbins` at this point, expecting a "well of course SOME PARTS were done with a laser but that's not what we were talking about" pivot for the entire "you're a bad person for hurting my feelings and i'm putting together a lynch party" talk
mircea_popescu: !up beautyon
nubbins`: yuss
mats: is concealing the laser job hard?
mats: sand the damn thing?
mircea_popescu: a) do not make too tiny cuts that wouldn't have survived mechanically b) clean the fucking piece.
mircea_popescu: this is like an E for effort level attempt.
mircea_popescu: very common problem people have on the internet, the "everyone is as stupid as me / everyone's a goat the same gender and age as me" issue.
asciilifeform: this was some kind of record, no ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57273 @ 0.00047683 = 27.3095 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: for sheer idiocy of the expected chump
mircea_popescu: hard to tell, this.
mircea_popescu: it's like a diamond, depends which way the light falls.
asciilifeform: speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped
asciilifeform: unless there is some unusually reliable record of the past concerning the object
mircea_popescu: "I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking"
mircea_popescu: he can still prove it to you, but only secretly and if oyu agree.
asciilifeform: like mr. spam!
mircea_popescu: the river shapes the rocks, right ?
asciilifeform: in BingoBoingo's words, the arse shapes the turd.
mircea_popescu: even better.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing (to me) here is, gotany idea how much of this shit floated before there was an internet ?
mircea_popescu: how many idiotic "artisans" filled each corner of england ?
asciilifeform: actually,
asciilifeform: i'm rather fond of old magazines. (mid 20th c. to late '70s, in particular.) the american ones are hilariously rich in sc4mz0r1ng
asciilifeform: of every conceivable variety.
nubbins`: dem back-page ads
nubbins`: you have any idea how many fuckin miracles my folks didn't let me buy?!
asciilifeform: 'improve your memory, guaranteed, with scientology therapy.' ('popular mechanics,' 1958. classified ad.)
asciilifeform: buried in ten thousand 'get rich growing turtles / sorting pigs / ... / ... - guaranteed'
assbot: Popular Mechanics - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/156Nvc7 )
asciilifeform: ^ example
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean it deeper than that. i mean, actual quacks passing for professionals. see, since the internet there's a line being drawn : sure both gavin and wood dude pass to a certain crowd as idiots for the genuine article. but there exists a thinking crowd that sees through it.
mircea_popescu: fifty or five hundred years ago, that wasn't a crowd. it was sole individuals, and the idiots were still a crowd.
mircea_popescu: if gavin were a blacksmith, he probably would have passed for a good one. if this guy were an actual lumberjack, he'd probably have counted for a fine lumberjack.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that he'd have a complex story as to how earthworms cause trees to flower
asciilifeform: neh, he'd travel from town to town and proclaim that he'll fell tree with the power of farts
mircea_popescu: old men pretending to be teaching the young'uns "trigonometry" who thought pi = 3.
asciilifeform: for a small fee.
mircea_popescu: there weren't as many of these.
mircea_popescu: genders don't preserve through the eons, they bleed. the french soldier of 1800 wasn't a soldier in 1750. he was a peasant.
asciilifeform: that other kind - that was (and some would say still is!) - medicine.
asciilifeform: anyone who has read medical treatises from as little as two centuries ago, will see a place for gavin et al in that profession
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess medicine is particularly apt.
mircea_popescu: right about at the time they tarred and feathered that asinine idiot who said they should wash hands
mircea_popescu: AS IF THEY WERENT GENTLEMEN
assbot: Aristotle's Masterpiece -- Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/156OIAp )
mircea_popescu: the type of plague that destroys the medical community, that guy.
asciilifeform: a real ripper of a time!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes
mircea_popescu: "Question: Why would I go to the fucking dumpy ass trailer park called Lake Havasu when I am currently living in Carefree and 10 minutes from Scottsdale?" lol i was waiting for this.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking umm lake havasu wtf.
mircea_popescu: One night, Charles Manners (Lord Lieutenant of Ireland) appeared in the regal box at the theatre on the same night that Peg was attending the show with her girls. Some wags in the gallery began shouting at her “Oy Peg! Who slept with you last night, Peg?” Peg gave them an imperious look, threw a dramatic glance at the Lord Lieutenant and in a scolding tone, said: “Manners, you dogs!”
decimation: re: lake havasu < connecting to your medical deal, several people have died swimming in that lake as I recall http://www.havasunews.com/news/new-reports-of-rare-brain-infections-surfacing/article_adadef24-056a-11e3-b7a8-001a4bcf887a.html
assbot: New reports of rare brain infections surfacing - Havasu News: News ... ( http://bit.ly/156SjhE )
decimation: it lives in warm freshwater, and finds that human brains are tastey
mats: that's terrifying
mats: thanks for ruining swimming decimation
asciilifeform: !s candiru
assbot: 0 results for 'candiru' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=candiru
asciilifeform: ^ also ruins swimming in certain spots
decimation: sometimes the lake swims in you
undata: warning to neti-pot users: same thing can happen... boil the water
mike_c: ;;later tell BingoBoingo draft submitted
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !rated Luke-Jr
assbot: You rated user Luke-Jr on 24-Jul-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within.
mircea_popescu: needs something under -10
mircea_popescu: "Downsides of a hardfork are simply that all nodes who do not go along with the upgrade are left without a functioning Bitcoin node, and susceptible to fraud (double spending, etc). This means a mandatory update of every node in the wild, which could require hardware upgrades as well. Miners are not in any special position to decide a hardfork, and are at the mercy of the bitcoin users (mainly merchants and exchanges)
mircea_popescu: as far as hardforking goes." << the downside of a hardfork is that every user that buys into the gavin scam will be left without a bitcoin node.
mircea_popescu: he ~MAY~ receive a gavincoin node in exchange. maybe.
mircea_popescu: perhaps as valuable as an ethereum node, that.
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 Gavin Scamcoins @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
gribble: Error: 'Scamcoins' is not a valid price input.
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
gribble: Error: '@750' is not a valid price input.
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
mircea_popescu: !up Luke-Jr
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: no, what you describe is an attack disguised as a hardfork
mircea_popescu: exactly what this is.
Luke-Jr: a real hardfork is one where the community is in agreement on it
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: there isn't anything yet, he hasn't even proposed one
mircea_popescu: there is no "community" agreement. reddit isn;'t the community.
mircea_popescu: and what lies gavin is sprouting to an eager ear... his problem.
Luke-Jr: he's blogged about a possible proposal
mircea_popescu: i will just remind you that you actually believed the bfl scammers, and stained your own beard lieing about THAT delivery.
Luke-Jr: when he proposes it, then people can argue for/against it, and either it will gain consensus or it won't
Luke-Jr: I didn't lie.
mircea_popescu: yeah, you did. you were promised one thing, got another thing, they told you "it's just as good, pretend like you got the original". and you did. becauser you believed them, that delivery's imminent and errything.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: what? I said I got what i got.
mircea_popescu: same shit's happening here. gavin is lying, and you're falling for it.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: did you read the discussion earlier in #bitcoin-dev ? nobody is going to just go along with this as it is right now.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: Gavin wants to know what has to happen for people to agree to it - he isn't trying to force it through without consensus
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
gribble: Order id 21920 created.
Luke-Jr: so unless you think dogmatically blocksize must remain 1 MB forever.. tell him what needs to happen to make you comfortable with it
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
gribble: Order id 21921 created.
mircea_popescu: including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge.
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykLRzl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00046197 = 16.1228 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey is there going to be a party on the log's 1mn th line ?
Luke-Jr: so is this a Bitcoin Core fork?
undata: danielpbarron: damned quick on the twitter draw
Luke-Jr: is there a place I can see the code? the ML archives linked a github, but it is 404
mircea_popescu: jurov << ppl be complaining they can't see teh code ?
mod6: what's the link?
Luke-Jr: github.com/adlai/bitcoin
asciilifeform: see the code << they haven't a copy of 'tar' ?
mod6: Luke-Jr: not even sure where you found that link..
Luke-Jr: I see no tar, except a build
mod6: If you don't want to bother digging through the mailing list for patches, you can just dl the tarballs under "Submitted Patches" on thebitcoin.foundation site
mod6: Although the rm_checkpoints one will probably be tabled before the end of the month.
Luke-Jr: I don't want patches, I want the complete code.
Luke-Jr: what are the patches even against in the first place?
mod6: Well, that's what there is: the v0.5.3 base + patch files.
Apocalyptic: 0.5.3 afaik
decimation: Luke-Jr: how do you discern the trustworthiness of the author?
Luke-Jr: which patch contains the post-0.5.3 hardforks?
Luke-Jr: decimation: why do I care about the author?
decimation: indeed.
mod6: there is not anything post v0.5.3 patched in at this point.
Luke-Jr: so it doesn't even work?
mod6: it does work
Luke-Jr: it can't, if you don't have the 0.8.1 hardfork patched in..
kakobrekla: it depend what means 'work' ?
Luke-Jr: mod6: so it's like 3000 blocks behind?
mod6: dude, that was published on the 1st of january.
Luke-Jr: ok, so how are you getting it to work without the hardfork?
decimation: do you have a document describing what exactly changed in this hardfork?
Luke-Jr: the bdb lock limitation was removed
undata: Luke-Jr: inspect db_config.tar.gz maybe
undata: that one diddles the knobs on bdb
Luke-Jr: hmm
Luke-Jr: that *might* work
Luke-Jr compares with the 0.5.x backport of the hardfork
Luke-Jr: why not base it on 0.5.7 or 0.5.8rc3 btw?
mod6: i cant believe im going to do this
mod6: !up Luke-Jr
mod6: it was selected because "reasons"
Luke-Jr: I think the db_config patch may explain why it works, but could be potentially inadequate for the current consensus rules
Luke-Jr: looks like Gavin's recommendations, which were lame
mod6: which are those?
Luke-Jr: dunno, it's lost in history now
Luke-Jr: the 0.5.x backport just changed set_lk_max_locks to 537000
Luke-Jr: not sure why this patch is reducing set_lg_max..
felipelalli: MPEx are going to negotiate Gavin Coins?
nubbins`: <+Luke-Jr> why not base it on 0.5.7 or 0.5.8rc3 btw? <<< i said 0.6.1...
nubbins`: it was decided that 0.5.3 was the earliest that'd still work.
nubbins`: or rather, that 0.5.3 was the point at which no further breaking changes were implemented
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: 0.4.9rc3 should work I think
Luke-Jr: I maintained that up until Sep 2013
assbot: bitcoin/db.cpp at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1576QtO )
Luke-Jr: including through the 0.8.1 hardfork
Luke-Jr: decimation: Bitcoin Core does not use bdb for the blockchain
Luke-Jr: since 0.8.0
Luke-Jr: ie, those limits are for the wallet
assbot: Bugfix: Bump lk_max_locks default to 537000, to safely handle reorgs ... - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1577ozQ )
assbot: Check effective maximum bdb locks (possibly overridden in DB_CONFIG),... - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1577zv1 )
mod6 looks
nubbins`: tracking down vintage 0.5.3 and applying .foundation patches = fun times
nubbins`: start with chicken.tar.gz and go from there
mod6: i've got a script now...
mod6: but i'll publish it to the list with some refinements before the end of the month
nubbins`: it's all in easily-digestible chunks, no sweat to eyeball each patch & fully understand what's going on
mod6 finds
Luke-Jr: "tracking down" as if it's disappeared
nubbins`: did YOU save the MD5 sums? 8)
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: my git client did
Luke-Jr: also, MD5 is not safe for this
nubbins`: and so disappearing is not precisely the concern :D
mod6: just need to change ``HOME'' to where you wanna build
Luke-Jr: do you guys dislike git or something? O.o
Luke-Jr: git basically uses a "blockchain" and makes it very hard to rewrite history
mod6: we wanted unified diffs we could sign
Luke-Jr: mod6: git supports signing commits
Luke-Jr: although I suppose that doesn't help if you want multiple people to sign them
mod6: yeah, there was a whole discussion surrounding this entire process. it's in the logs.
Luke-Jr: oh well, I guess it's managable if you don't plan to do much maintenance to it
decimation: Luke-Jr: the idea is that signed patches would be read by people, who would then sign
Luke-Jr: yeah, it's definitely a shortcoming of git
Luke-Jr: anyhow, if the goal is oldest version, I'd recommend going off 0.4.x; either way, I'd recommend fixing the bdb hardfork
Luke-Jr: and I hope Gavin doesn't plan to just ignore DarkWallet and your fork - though I wouldn't be surprised if he did to be honest
Luke-Jr: might help if the devs here participated in the discussions in #bitcoin-dev when it came up.. maybe
decimation: I'm not sure folks here are interested in 'maintaining' as much as understanding and recreating
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: you're still thinking in terms of persuasion. we don't need to persuade the usg stooge of anything.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: I agree Gavin should persuade you - but he will probably ignore you if you're not there discussing it
Luke-Jr: (persuade you, as opposed to you persuading him to stop)
Luke-Jr: (ugh, I'm being unclear: I mean the onus is on him to convince you, and you shouldn't have to convince him)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88901 @ 0.00046346 = 41.2021 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Blazedout419
decimation: why would we care what some guy (like gavin) commits into some random github repo?
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 hey, my question to you is, did you actually pay 14k for that guy's wooden thing, as represented ? or was it more like a sweetheart sort of deal for advertising sake, like the sillycon valley does ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno any better, so ima take your word for it.
Luke-Jr: decimation: it's not "some random github repo", it's the code that most nodes *will* be running unless someone objects
mircea_popescu: !up Luke-Jr
Luke-Jr: decimation: also, Gavin is no longer the final word for any git repo
mircea_popescu: when did that happen ?
Luke-Jr: a few months ago IIRC
mircea_popescu: nubbins` darling how did YOU get sexist ?
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr anyway, inasmuch as everyone actually wants bitcoin to prevail, divergence of opinion isn't much of a problem. however, the conservative rather than the progressive approach must be observed. change doesn't happen just for the sake of changing things. this isn't a fad or an ipad gizmo. if consensus can't be reached for whatever reason, whoever doesn't like it leaves and starts over, rather than pretending the o
mircea_popescu: pposite.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: I'm definitely in favour of taking a conservative approach, and I'm pretty sure most of the Bitcoin Core team is as well. I think Gavin was probably frustrated earlier when it came up in #bitcoin-dev because nobody could give him a straightforward "way to convince everyone"
mircea_popescu: sometimes we don't get what we want. that doesn't mean our wants now have a wild card and nothing else matters anymore. this isn't school.
mircea_popescu: what's next, start assaulting women because "nobody told me how to seduce any woman" ?
mircea_popescu: seems a little too geeky.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: If Gavin wanted to force the hardfork, he wouldn't be frustrated at his inability to convince people ;)
mircea_popescu: im not going to carry that argument.
mircea_popescu: !up Trollmeister
mircea_popescu: !up elgrecoFL
Luke-Jr: anyhow, I don't think Gavin knows people here have concerns. I'd suggest doing a writeup of what those concerns are, and what Gavin needs to do if he wants your approval for a hardfork. I know you shouldn't *have to*, but otherwise I don't see any way this is likely to come to a resolution.
mircea_popescu: people here don't "have concerns". people here are going to skin the fork as proposed so far, no argument there. gavin can start reading or press ahead, either way.
Luke-Jr: especially if Gavin has the big merchants and exchanges onboard - if they follow his lead on this, everyone who wants to buy stuff with Bitcoin is likely to follow along too, for better or worse
mircea_popescu: the one large merchant left in bitcoin so far is mpex.
Luke-Jr: "skin the fork"?
mircea_popescu: but if you absolutely must see bitpay die before you wake up, it can be arranged.
Luke-Jr: please. how many people actually even use MPEX?
mircea_popescu: coinbase made the round, which i guess gains it a little space. NOT that much.
mircea_popescu: enough to make me 600 btc in the month bitpay made a loss.
Luke-Jr: that could be a single person with a lot of volume
Luke-Jr: head counts matter more than volume sometimes
mircea_popescu: point being, mpex is, currently, > 50% of "bitcoin business". like it or not, it's a fact.
mircea_popescu: not in money, no.
mircea_popescu: but if headcount feels the need to learn this through headcollisions with hard objects, it may.
Luke-Jr: I find it very hard to believe MPEX is even 1% of bitcoin business
mircea_popescu: it's so far 100% of the bitcoin "told the usg to get fucked" party. once you digest that you might be in a better position to evaluate who matters and who doesn't,
mircea_popescu: than if going by conference headcounds or w/e.
Luke-Jr: look, I respect your right to be free of US interference since you're outside the US, but governmental politics has basically nothing to do with hardforks
mircea_popescu: globalisation just turned off hm ?
Luke-Jr: I can't imagine how the block size is at all related to governments, or why a government would aim to change it.
mircea_popescu: you don't get a private island just because you want one. things have to do with each other, it's the way of the world.
mircea_popescu: listen, arguing to ignorance is really bad engineering.
mircea_popescu: i don't know why a whale would want to be 20 tons. so what of it.
Luke-Jr: you think the block size issue is USG-inspired? what do they have to gain from it?
mircea_popescu: this is too lengthy a discussion. bitcoin is perceived as a threat by pretty much every central bank, you know that much.
Luke-Jr: sure - how does that cross over into the block size matter?
mircea_popescu: there's many intertwined issues there. the outermost layer is, to establish whether an english speaking cia visitor is even in a position to push through a hardfork.
Luke-Jr: by himself? then it's a simple "no" I hope
Luke-Jr: any hardfork needs at least a supermajority of bitcoin users
mircea_popescu: his rethoric was different a coupla months ago, and as far as anyone can tell hasn't actually caught up with your representation thereof.
mircea_popescu: but i guess this is coming
decimation: it seems to me that the enemies of bitcoin would love to think that they could 'update' the protocol as they desire
decimation: like the ietf & http
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr: although I suppose that doesn't help if you want multiple people to sign them << the idea isn't to sign commits, but to sign reads. << see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824250 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888473 it's an older point this, about software accountability.
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 18:53:07; mircea_popescu: it's one thing to trust this rnd function because asciilifeform and 25 others signed on reading it.
mircea_popescu: decimation for sure, making it plain that bitcoin isn't a sort of http / pki / dns / ietf / whatever captive protocol in the courtyard of some us dependent or another is quite valuable. first and foremost for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: then for everyone using it.
mircea_popescu: !up Father_MAXI
ben_vulpes: tango is harrrrd
mircea_popescu: only if you're dancing it.
mircea_popescu: "Likewise, in the worst case if Bitcoin did overshoot to become centralized alt-coins and the market would again solve the problem."
mircea_popescu: reading reddit is like drinking old cheese.
mircea_popescu: and this is summaries.
ben_vulpes: anyone getting spammed with CTCP messages from a mramberg?
mircea_popescu: you can just drop ctcp you know.
ben_vulpes: i guess i do now
mircea_popescu: i am kinda shocked nobody is wanting to buy gavincoins from me for a fucking steep discount, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: this is like ether all over again. "oh we have tons of support!!1" "how come nobody is trading ?" "it';s mystical support. woodcollector knows all about it. we'll send you a private video." etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00045657 = 9.9989 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !s pierre_rochard
assbot: 331 results for 'pierre_rochard' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pierre_rochard
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pierre_rochard errything fine up there ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this is a pretty lulzy snippet :
mircea_popescu: "tldr: economically speaking, core dev team should not worry about increasing the block size limit until at the very least we see average transaction fees consistently above the 0.0001 btc 'minimum'. At that point we can revisit this debate. There are other questions about feasibility and politics that I'll leave out."
decimation: re: woodcollector scam << the one I see in random us fishwrappers is 'fuel saving magnets' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_saving_device#Magnets
assbot: Fuel saving device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Epdb0n )
mircea_popescu: reddit : "You're only looking at the technical side of it. Leaving the 1 MB block size issue for later is risky due to political/social reasons. Every hard fork brings with it uncertainty and risks because it requires wide consensus to be carried out smoothly. As long as these risks hang over the Bitcoin economy, many companies will be hesitant to make long-term commitments to the Bitcoin economy. Afterall, a hard fork
mircea_popescu: could lead to Bitcoin community splitting into two networks, or a hard fork could end up not happening due to community infighting. Both of these would be disastrous for the Bitcoin economy.
mircea_popescu: The 1 MB block size limit needs to removed as soon as possible, and replaced with something that scales automatically, rather than through risky hard forks that require political consensus. It's 2015, Microsoft, one of the largest companies in the world, accepts Bitcoin, and the Bitcoin network can only handle 3 transactions per second, unless there is a hard fork. Getting rid of the 1 MB block size limit is long overd
mircea_popescu: With the limit in place, Bitcoin runs the risk of stagnating. When the limit is lifted, I predict we will see mass adoption."
mircea_popescu: because a) we deeply care about the "i predicts" of propaganda agents ; b) "hurry up guise, if we don't do it while nobody's looking we won't be able to do it at all"
decimation: lol yeah joe sixpack is not using bitcoin because of the block size limit
mircea_popescu: what sort of rotten oats would an ass have to eat to imagine that something that couldn't be done later should be done now. it's the screaming declaration of "we don't represent anyone but wish to rule everyone"
mircea_popescu: decimation the craftyness of it, tho. who is presented as the golden standard ? microsoft. because why ?
mircea_popescu: because obviously.
assbot: The battlefield of the future pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpdAzY )
decimation: the Legislative Assembly was more than happy to recognize Georges Danton as their leader after he marched in front of the 20,000 strong mob
mircea_popescu: reddit mob is not worth the pixels it's printed on.
decimation: well, one lesson is that Danton had an organization. it is odd that the supposed right-wing supporters of heirarchy are usually out-flanked by their enemies on their left when it comes to organizing the little people
mircea_popescu: decimation i don't really see it the same way. when nanotube was disappeared earlier this month, gribble got replaced within something like a week. seems to me the organisation's fine.
mircea_popescu: of course, the right doesn't generally create unruly mobs of idiots that spout nonsense. this, principally, because the right is not comfortable for idiots.
mircea_popescu: how's this a problem anyway ? pre-bitcoin, pre-gpg, etc, i can see it. today ? who gives a shit ?
mircea_popescu: similarly one could observe that the soviet union had very impressive victory day parades. sure. this, principally, because the soviet citizen had little better to do, either productively, for leisure or for his own safety.
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to regret that reagan didn't make more us workers go to party indoctrination class.
decimation: yeah that's a good point, the heirarchy is too busy running actual business - it doesn't have time to prance around and promise the moon to the sans-culottes
mircea_popescu: everyone i know that's not dumb is busy doing shit. the people "discussing" on reddit are an entirely different brand. if tomorrow they were replaced with a frog infested pond, what'd happen ?
mircea_popescu: would you even notice that same day ? that week ? ever ?
asciilifeform: pond <<< brekekekex koax koax.
mircea_popescu: "Do you have any anecdotal examples of crypto users on the side lines saying things like,
mircea_popescu: Yes, I personally have lost enthusiasm for recruiting merchants, because I don't know what will happen once 1 MB block size limit is reached, "
mircea_popescu: dude "lost enthusiasm". for what ? for "recruiting merchants". meanwhile... http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/
assbot: Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yp9fMi )
mircea_popescu: i suppose bitpay "embassy" is still deserted because whatever, people were insecure about what may happen if the bitpie in the sky is smaller than perceived.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr Name a single Bitcoin expert who thinks 1 MB blocks will be sufficient forever? << 1mb blocks MAY be sufficient forever.
mircea_popescu: the onus to show that they DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE is on you lot of "bitcoin experts"
decimation: asciilifeform: maryland has a surplus of frogs & toads
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu luceo
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user luceo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=luceo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=luceo | Rated since: Tue Jun 12 14:09:09 2012
asciilifeform: decimation: wash., d.c. area specifically. swamp.
mircea_popescu: this idiocy with "Assurance contracts" takes the cake.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 22:42:34; decimation: at any rate, this is a problem for actual miners to solve in the future, and they will likely despise any actions taken today on their behalf
mircea_popescu: "hey listen, we have a perfect system that works in proved practice to reward miners. let's replace it with some libertard idiocy that a) provedly never worked in practice and b) for well understood theoretical reasons that we don't like so they don't really exist"
mircea_popescu: assurance contracts. srsly. what's next, replace wallets with obamacare website ?
mircea_popescu: will totally work. unless you know, for a few months when launched. and well... if you make a wallet that's not your walletr.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00047253 = 14.1759 BTC [+]
decimation: 10,000 unborn souls vote for hardfork
mircea_popescu: if i wasn't so disinterested i'd have someone mine reddit to get a relative comparison of votes/words wasted on gavin's coin vs neobee
mircea_popescu: the same sort of rabid idiocy seems to be wafting from both of them. half curious if the same "pr" company hired for both.
undata: and libertarians claim to be goldbugs...
undata: yet they want bitcoin to be the mastercard network
asciilifeform: 'they' 'want'
mircea_popescu: quite. no they, and nothing's being particularly wanted.
undata: this guy, horde of upvoting minions, whoever
undata is merely wondering why anyone would think "supah fast transactions" and not "immutable unit of value for all time" is the thing
mircea_popescu: because that anyone has no money.
mod6: yeah, they're spenders, not savers.
asciilifeform: this seems more like a question of who folks imagine themselves as, rather than what they are
asciilifeform: i would dare to suggest that plenty of folks who haven't anything to save, for instance, like the proper bitcoin quite a bit
asciilifeform: but others, with enormous incomes (denominated in, e.g., usd) - hate.
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