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asciilifeform: (yes, it was a scan)
mircea_popescu: top secret from wikiinfo ?
asciilifeform: from spiegel
asciilifeform: late last night.
asciilifeform: if it's a fake, it's a very stylish fake.
mircea_popescu: "good hearing for some work" heh.
asciilifeform: having worked on own versions of many of the gadgets described, i will attest that there is nothing outlandish about any of them.
mircea_popescu: srsly ? they SRSLY use sound spectroscopy ?
asciilifeform: why the hell not ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno. because it's not 1915 ?
asciilifeform: !s acoustic cryptanalysis
assbot: 0 results for 'acoustic cryptanalysis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=acoustic+cryptanalysis
asciilifeform: you know, that one.
asciilifeform: we chewed on it here, i'm quite certain.
asciilifeform: !s inductors
assbot: 14 results for 'inductors' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=inductors
asciilifeform: there we go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely stylish. enhancment ?
asciilifeform: enhancement ?
decimation: one wonders how much of that list is simply parlor tricks vs. 'fired in anger'
asciilifeform: decimation: it's an office agenda. not an advertisement.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform typo included.
asciilifeform: unless, of course, it is an advertisement.
mircea_popescu: "berserkr" does not support wireless cards ?
decimation: the implication of your statement being that the office even has a coherent agenda
mircea_popescu: anyway. unimpressive.
asciilifeform: this is the first document where i'm nearly convince that it isn't a hangout.
mircea_popescu: if authentic this is rather humiliatory.
decimation: what do you expect? frickin' lasers?
mircea_popescu: dude, they're selling themselves as something more than "zack & miri make an agency"
asciilifeform: remember, this isn't from the cracking-pgp division
PeterL: sharks, with frickin lazer beams attached to their heads
asciilifeform: but from the pc-diddler brigade.
mircea_popescu: and they are teh premier unemployable math grad student cemetery.
asciilifeform: nothing has leaked from that maths grad cemetery.
asciilifeform: not one napkin sketch.
decimation: asciilifeform: wonder why?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00047436 = 23.5757 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: cause it was all writen in malbolge
asciilifeform: it is very easy to keep a secret which 100 people alive can appreciate the significance of.
asciilifeform: how many would recognize an 'rsa pill' if saw.
mircea_popescu: depends. would it be called DERPYCASTLE ?
asciilifeform: SORESTARFISH
mircea_popescu: NIBBLEBASKET ?
mircea_popescu: OFFICECHAIR
decimation: JERKCIRCLE
mircea_popescu: ANGRYPEANUT
mircea_popescu: leveraging MYBOSSISDUMB and HISWIFESASLUT
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, said 'pill' couldn't have been 'fired in anger' either? don't need higher math to understand the implications
mircea_popescu: decimation i think he had in mind something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsyJX3sESjs
assbot: Animaniacs - The ACME Song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQuoT4 )
asciilifeform: not without seven oceans' worth of parallelconstructiony-plausibledeniability
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35127 @ 0.00046975 = 16.5009 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: SQUEAMISHOSSIFRAGE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00047689 = 13.3052 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: congratulations on replacing the WoT's centralized point of failure with another centralized point of failure!
mircea_popescu: Adlai no they're supposed to work in tandem.,
Adlai: dunno, i authed with gribble as usual, then messaged assbot !up, and had to auth with him as well
Adlai: (this is why my joke came three minutes late)
mircea_popescu: Adlai that's the idea. looky here : gribble/wot was created a few years ago,. when btc was worth nothing and nobody bothered distinguishing between taaki and gavin.
mircea_popescu: then bitcoin became more valuable than all of san francisco combined
mircea_popescu: nanotube's idea was to re-create the wot as a p2p thing of sorts, and he's been working at it for a while, but hey. it's hard.
mircea_popescu: my idea was to simply network a bunch of centralised gribbles.
mircea_popescu: it seems to be winning out.
Adlai: won't gossipd mitigate this to some extent?
cazalla: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: "this" ?
Adlai: using a wot to reduce spam/noise
mircea_popescu: well, once completed gossipd actually is a fully decentralized wot keeper, sure.
Adlai: maybe you should've called it cssipd
mircea_popescu: lol whay ?
Adlai: it's subtle but you'll get it eventually :)
asciilifeform got immediately
mircea_popescu feels all left out
felipelalli: qntra.net for me is the more serious and reliable source of information about bitcoin nowdays, there is something similar?
mircea_popescu: felipelalli nope, it's centralised :)
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you! :)
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 23:35:28; mircea_popescu: that pretty much means c - only you realise ?
Adlai: go-ssipd
Adlai: don't rum and logs
mircea_popescu: i wasn't probably ever cing to get it.
Adlai: :D
Adlai: btcmiami is a disappointment, we were robbed of our chance to hear the great garza speak
Adlai consoled himself by asking the nice salespeople at the paybase booth whether he could point his mining hardware at zenpool
mircea_popescu: what's gavin dressed up as this time ? perianne boring ?
Adlai: he's not here
mircea_popescu: oh so he came dressed as a bfl miner ?
Adlai: hey now, bfl miners exist, i have one as a doorstop since it doesn't work anymore
Adlai: well the conf did yield one good thing, a new idiom: "bullshit bingo"
decimation: Adlai: had you ever been to miami before? how did it strike you?
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> i wasn't probably ever cing to get it. << you fucks, in five years nobody's going to be able to read the logs who hasn't been here for six lol
Adlai: hanbot: s/go/c/pls
mircea_popescu: lol keeping up is hard work!
Adlai: and they should be able to get it, the context is right there
asciilifeform: hanbot: now you know how maths students feel
Adlai: decimation: first time here. this may be the most touristy place i've ever visited
decimation: first time I went there it struck me as a shithole
mircea_popescu: coming from someone who lives in israel... that's pretty damning.
decimation: except for the tiny skin of civilization near the water, the city is a giant slum
mircea_popescu: whole country is essentially a "we were too cheap to actulaly build the disneyland but we're selling tickets to it anyway"
Adlai: not just israel, tel aviv. so SoBe be worse.
mircea_popescu: Adlai btw saw a sight today in ba jewish quarter. guy with proper astrakhan hat, plus two kids in full costume.
mircea_popescu: you know the ones where wearer looks like he's put a cake on his head ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14747 @ 0.00046904 = 6.9169 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ru sheepskin hat ?
asciilifeform: lol, ru hat that took a disintegrator blast to the top.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc my history, the thing was actually invented by volga tatars
asciilifeform: woah, according to pediwik, hat sells for 1-5k usd.
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mircea_popescu: depends. a proper fur one is more like 5-10k
asciilifeform: serious hat.
Adlai: in the (badly remembered, can't be bothered to watch all his youtube videos to find the exact) words of the great Pat Condell: "they'd rather the world returned to the stone age, aside from a brief excursion into seventeenth century poland for some clothes"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a proper russian hat is about there also. sable or w/e.
mircea_popescu: course plenty of rabbit, nutria etc.
asciilifeform has never worn or so much as touched a hat made from a rarer animal than rabbit
mircea_popescu: how about a woman dressed thus ?
Adlai: orthodox jewish women don't get to wear the fancy stuff
mircea_popescu: well orthodox jewish women are also fat.
Adlai: they have to cover up, although not as much as the cousins
asciilifeform: iirc, those wear... wigs ?
Adlai: they have these hideous hair covering things
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is to be tried. deck the nude chicks in fox, sable, hermeline, etc. wear blindfold. have fun.
mircea_popescu: expensive fur is expensive for very good reasons that can't really be grasped fully untill you rub your cock on it.
Adlai: !b 2
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Adlai: we'll leave the zoophilic overtones as an exercise to the astute log-reader
asciilifeform wonders if 'furries' go in for rare furs
mircea_popescu: today we learn hermeline is actually stoats in english.
mircea_popescu: dumb name
assbot: Hole in the sheet - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQBVkw )
asciilifeform: 'i could celebrate -christmas- through that hole!'
mircea_popescu: bitch's a total antisemite.
mircea_popescu: !up aabtc
aabtc: brutal market lately
assbot: IBM Reveals Proof of Concept for Blockchain-Powered Internet of Things ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdJOTk )
asciilifeform: 'those concerns “are being addressed” as Ethereum moves toward its planned launch sometime this year.'
mircea_popescu: a) ibm is a real estate agency ; b) proof of concept = vaporware ; c) buzzword-buzzword-something-buzzword.
Adlai: also, coindesk publish press releases as articles in return for money
asciilifeform: do we really need to read past 'ethereum' ?
Adlai: (not that most other "news" sites, on all topics, don't do this)
mircea_popescu: Adlai the worse part being that they're innocent enough to not know that's a dumb business model.
mircea_popescu: davout: "Implementations SHOULD NOT assume that Key IDs are unique", so let's just include that in the signature packet. derp << no, seriously.
mircea_popescu: such braindamage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44623 @ 0.00048022 = 21.4289 BTC [+]
Adlai: seems to be working well for them so far, guy at the conference said that coindesk is a reliable news source so it must be
Adlai: ("i use coindesk and zeroblock. the forums and reddit are good for laughs, but have lots of trolls and altcoins")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: original pgp was not an apparatus for one-off deals with strangers, but something to use between friends, as i understand. << what you say is accurate, but doesn't excuse. suppose i knock up a girl, and the blastule in her folds goes "hey, daddy's cock was crooked, so let's make the baby's cunt crooked too. nothing like baking in random assumptionbs for no good reason!"
asciilifeform: how could it excuse.
asciilifeform: was trying to explain the history.
mircea_popescu: Adlai guy at some other conference said ginzu knife.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeh. im angry.
asciilifeform: bonsai attack.
asciilifeform: banzai tree.
Adlai: original btc was an experiment, doesn't excuse treating it as "just an experiment" nowadays
asciilifeform blows dust of personal collection of english illiteracies
mircea_popescu: davout: that doesn't make much sense to me, how would a maliciously crafted pubkey even verify the signature? << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#981108
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 00:22:17; mircea_popescu: https://evil32.com/examples.html for the innocents reading logs.
mircea_popescu: Adlai now it's a thousand different experiments.
mircea_popescu: undata: because terrorists can't find an old copy of gpg? << gun laws aren't predicated on the theory that criminals can't find a gun.
mircea_popescu: they're predicated on the theory that ustardian faggots really enjoy the feeling of a stretched rectum, and politicians are essentially whores : in the business of pleasing the customer with the least possible effort.
Adlai: another quote from miami: "bitcoin is the only technology with a price feed". me: "bullshit, bitcoin has no price feed, although each person in this room has their own slightly differing one"
asciilifeform recalls reading an article long ago re: how crypto actually enjoyed greater legal protection in usa back when it was classified as a weapon of war
mircea_popescu: "decentralize dprice feed, even better"
undata: mircea_popescu: the unending theatre can be maddening
mircea_popescu: "yes but apple actually has a price feed"
mircea_popescu: "apple is not a technology, apple is a vision"
mircea_popescu: "your mother is a whore"
Adlai: (this was in a comparison of bitcoin to tcp/ip or smtp... "you can't short SMTP when your inbox takes forever to load"
mircea_popescu: Adlai check it out, i can do the conference solo!
mircea_popescu: people this stupid should really be put to some sort of use.
mircea_popescu: maybe send them as teachers to china ?
assbot: Ken Shirriff's blog: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQHJuC )
kakobrekla: re conference , im disappointed to find out chief scammer did not show up
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform , one step closer to slavecoin
Adlai: he showed up
mircea_popescu: did you just map a keid you two ?
Adlai: just didn't have a presentation
Adlai: he's here along with lady and the goons
mircea_popescu: Adlai wait, garza dood has a woman in tow ? pics ?
Adlai: at first i was so glad, "ah, some diversity in the conference patrons!"
Adlai: and then i recognized his hairdo
Adlai: and realized the roles of his entourage
Adlai: phone died, no pics. maybe tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: well, be a perez hilton.
mircea_popescu: how tall is she ? cup size ? natural ? cheap dress ? tall enough heels ? can she walk on em ?
Adlai: i'm pretty sure there are pics of his family on reddit, probably posted by some angsty idiot after realizing he'd never get his hashpoints back
assbot: Jeff Garza : Worship Minister, 1st Baptist of Worland, Wyoming: My Swimmer Wife! ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQIFix )
mircea_popescu: "I am so proud of my wife Sandra! She is such a hard working women!"
Adlai: hmmmmmmmm that sandra does not look like the lady i saw with him
Adlai: but money does wonderful things, like surgery for the lady AND the mistress!
kakobrekla: wtf is that page real world ?
Adlai: no its internet
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you don't understand how the baptist worlkd works!
kakobrekla: the more i know the less i understand
Adlai: wait
Adlai: genius at work is not "jeff garza", unless he's another one of these namechanging shapeshifters
Adlai: but if you're gonna pick a new scammername, why take "josh"? that one is already taken...
mircea_popescu: it was a pleasant spring day in argentina.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of the anthill scene in baldaev.
mircea_popescu: a little water ?
mircea_popescu: it's good for her.
assbot: How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQLxvL )
asciilifeform: 'different perceptions of gender' ?
mircea_popescu: clearly.
asciilifeform: where found, in insane asylum ?
assbot: Hi! I just turned 18 in February and am really excited to be getting to try new things ^_^ I'm ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQLTma )
mircea_popescu: i give you even money she's contributing to open source projects, doing his/their substitutions.
asciilifeform: lol, us gurl with this haircut, even i could have guessed
asciilifeform: it's almost required.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i'm kinda waiting for the moment when broken code is defended as "different perceptions of software". why should it fixed ? it's not a bug, it's a rights issue!
asciilifeform: no need to wait!
asciilifeform: poettering et. al
asciilifeform: didn't somebody link to a post of this very same argument, written by a blind man (yes) in that gang ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the misshapen face seems more concerning. haircut easy to fix, buzzcut still required for moloday a
asciilifeform: if only these folks stuck to diddling comments
asciilifeform: easy to fix, sure, but when acquired voluntarily it is usually a flag of affiliation
mircea_popescu: teenager's affiliation is worth about the same governmental promises are worth.
asciilifeform: of the 'i hate boys' variety
mircea_popescu: about as fun to fuck out of them, too.
asciilifeform: work for specialist.
mircea_popescu: kinda funny as to what counts to insults these days.
mircea_popescu: shaken, not stirred.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00046933 = 26.3059 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up MetatronOne
assbot: Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IR2fv3 )
mircea_popescu: lol complicate
pete_dushenski: ha well these neoreactionist kids are pretty darn confused so it'd be a fair reflection of that
mircea_popescu: wait neoreactionist ? which one is that ?
pete_dushenski: they're sorta like libertarianists
pete_dushenski: they don't much care for progressives or equality
mircea_popescu: anything positive ?
pete_dushenski: and they dislike democracy and like heirarchy
mircea_popescu: so like us only different ?
pete_dushenski: like us with no interest or understanding in the workings of power, economics, or politics
pete_dushenski: like us but americanly utopian
pete_dushenski: "neoreaction is a specific discovery of the arrow of time, within the field of political philosophy. It learns, and then teaches, that the way to get out cannot be the way we got in."
pete_dushenski: ^more tawky, less do-ey
pete_dushenski: basically, they don't work from causes too well
mircea_popescu: well the quote salad certainly doesn't seem to mean anything
pete_dushenski: i spent a bit of time trying to grok them since they came across my desk this week and it's really quite challenging to find much positive in their thinking
pete_dushenski: but some of them seem to enjoy contravex so there's that
ben_vulpes: evening, pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: well, by now more brands than people, so... not to worry.
pete_dushenski: howdy ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: ca va?
ben_vulpes: how's biz?
pete_dushenski: bien sur :)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu the number of brands these kids have is... shocking
pete_dushenski: apparently there's even something called neocameralism
pete_dushenski: which ended up on moldbug's lap
mircea_popescu: derived from that popular book on "cameral mind" ?
pete_dushenski: so i was recapping your old pieces on the matter
mircea_popescu: or parliamentary procedure this or the toher
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: have you read jaynes' original?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes biz is going well. would be better with van ads ;)
ben_vulpes: haw, ain't no money in advertisements.
ben_vulpes: silly-con valley chumpatron con ojos
ben_vulpes: biz biz tho - how is it? buy any bonds?
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Neocameralism and the escalator of massarchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1IR7vyB )
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes nah, not really into that fiat thing, was really more just curious how easy/hard it'd be,
pete_dushenski: was hunting for an etf or fund, came up blank
mircea_popescu: massarchy ?
ben_vulpes: just out of curiosity, how do you procure bezzlebuxx?
pete_dushenski: massive monarchy!
pete_dushenski: massage anarchy!
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes the bare minimum
pete_dushenski: rounding corners and squeezing opportunities, to be as vague as humanly possible
pete_dushenski: i don't have a single stream, but many
ben_vulpes: classic joo :P
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my guess is either he's running a high end brothel out of the preppy sluts he grew up with, or else he's living off teh fambly fortune.
ben_vulpes: my bet is that the cars blog poops out the odd benjamine
ben_vulpes: (that's what they call it in french canada, right?)
mircea_popescu: cars blog ?!
pete_dushenski: ya, we use that
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pete_dushenski: car blog has actually been retired!
ben_vulpes: no wai
ben_vulpes: you'll offend mircea_popescu's linkrot sensibilities
pete_dushenski: for cereal
pete_dushenski: uh well... i can bring it back?
mircea_popescu: ;;google pete dushenski car blog
gribble: The Wallet Inspector's Promise | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/02/27/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/>; Why It's Over For Litecoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/06/17/why-its-over-for-litecoin/>; Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/21/adding- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: never happened.
ben_vulpes: naw, your intel's rotten.
pete_dushenski: if your intel is google
mircea_popescu: lalala i cnat hear you
ben_vulpes: or spell either
pete_dushenski: the car blog paid more in experiences anyways
pete_dushenski: it was always a hobby
pete_dushenski: fly here, drive that, etc.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah she's a cutie.
mircea_popescu: incidentally. in romanian cutie = box.
ben_vulpes: till you got kicked off the circuit lol
pete_dushenski: plus, i sorta got myself banned from a few press fleets after failing to tow the party line..
pete_dushenski: lol right
ben_vulpes: but hey "tow the party line" at least you got a decent pun out of it
pete_dushenski: and now, who's gonna give contravex anything?
pete_dushenski: mebbe yellen gives me a foot rub ?
ben_vulpes: at least you're not stooping so far as to toe the clutch
pete_dushenski: towing is big here: truck country
pete_dushenski: i tell you it kills at the local comedy club!
ben_vulpes: <decimation> [] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/17/vc_investment_hits_dotcom_boom_levels/ << annual silly-con valley vc funding is less than a single whatsapp
assbot: Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTfJZ1 )
ben_vulpes: <assbot> [] Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQpMME ) << task for eager student: calculate ROI for each VC firm based on known investments and exits
pete_dushenski: deja vu ?
ben_vulpes: easymoad: just use crunchbase, propose a decent discount factor
pete_dushenski: i confuse!
pete_dushenski: but we're neoreactionaries! we never exit!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes better task : a dead pool / fucked company blog & stuff
ben_vulpes: "exit" acquisition/IPO value
pete_dushenski: "Neoreactionary socio-political solutions are ultimately Exit-based. In every case, exit is to be defended against voice. No society or social institution which permits free exit is open to any further politically efficient criticism, except that which systematic exit selection itself applies. Given the absence of tyranny (i.e. free exit), all forms of protest and rebellion are to be
pete_dushenski: considered leftist perversions, without entitlement to social protection of any kind." << i can't make this shit up
ben_vulpes: a new fucked company presumes someone who can "write" scathing..."blog posts"
ben_vulpes: qntra's the great white hopi afaict
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes jus' sayin for the log reader.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski that is actually a valid point. certainly what i've been doing / saying.
mircea_popescu: take a simple example. "dude, get out of the us." "no, i'm going to write my senator."
assbot: Seed-DB | List of Seed Accelerator Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTgcKS )
pete_dushenski: lol right
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] not without seven oceans' worth of parallelconstructiony-plausibledeniability << what was that apocryphal "nazi" dropped out of the plain with "papers" again?
ben_vulpes: punkman: make it stahp
ben_vulpes: okay jokesrs time
ben_vulpes: the shop is considering entering a local "hackathon"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu basically, ignore the current institutions and their pretenses at anything, develop a new system exterior to it
ben_vulpes: (and by the shop i mean me and 51%)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski pretty much.
assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTgi58 )
pete_dushenski: and if you don't like it gtfu
ben_vulpes: notion being: show up; don't pitch; build hilaribad thing; present like seasoned shartup pros; clean up
mircea_popescu: also all that talk about unsheating your own conscience / not constructing your mental process as a reaction to bs / etc.
mircea_popescu: it's a lengthy thread with many branches
ben_vulpes: problem being nobody involved can figure if anyone involved with the charade will actually increase deal surface area
ben_vulpes: (in weird metaphor where shop has tentacles in gulf stream of deal flow)
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] Adlai that's the idea. looky here : gribble/wot was created a few years ago,. when btc was worth nothing and nobody bothered distinguishing between taaki and gavin. << oh we're distinguishing between taaki and gavin nao
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu "all that talk" << whose ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: show up at amateur hour, crush competition with "fart app", accrue reputation points to drive dealflow.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes sure. one's mentally retarded. the other's nefarious.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski mine. asciilifeform's. it's all over.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: we can't tell if the nefarious plan is retarded though.
mircea_popescu: yes, the mosquito and the gnat are both bugs.
mircea_popescu: and they both get killed. one tries to live off it tho. the other's just dumb.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes no pitch ? how does that make sense ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hey man this is america, land of the scam.
ben_vulpes: have you learned nothing from clements?!
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: well the common pattern is "show up! recruit t34m! build thinger and or slideshow depending on what your idiots can muster!"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well ty for explaining :)
mircea_popescu: basically he's just getting laid
mircea_popescu: in a platonic sense
punkman: ben_vulpes, what kind of company is running it?
ben_vulpes: notion is to skip recruitment phase and just go directly to winning "competition" for arcane local rep
ben_vulpes: punkman: mine.
pete_dushenski: the "exit" terminology threw me off a bit but i certainly subscribe to the approach
punkman: the hackathon?
ben_vulpes: dunno man, you know where i live.
ben_vulpes: local calendars are trivially trollable, in the fishing sense.
punkman: well don't go to random hobo's hackathon what's the point
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pete_dushenski: mebbe hobo only looks like hobo
mircea_popescu: so no hackathons ?
pete_dushenski: but is really grab master of cheese!
pete_dushenski: s/grab/grand
ben_vulpes: certainly smells funky
ben_vulpes: grab asster, maybe
pete_dushenski: grab freckles
ben_vulpes: Adlai: coming to ars this spring?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: coming to ars this spring?
assbot: youtube poop:cow&chicken King and Queen of cheese unfinished - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTgQYT )
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: why u no!?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes friends just haaaad to get married that weekend
pete_dushenski: close friends too, too close
ben_vulpes: oh, your girl knows them huh
pete_dushenski: too close to miss their wedding at least
pete_dushenski: we're all one big happy fambly :)
mircea_popescu: oh yeah which reminds me
mircea_popescu: $conference
ben_vulpes: have you boned the bride?
pete_dushenski: but i don't let them close to my fambly/harim money!
ben_vulpes: the fambly that fucks together...
pete_dushenski: drives a truck together?
ben_vulpes: to the gulag trucks together?
ben_vulpes: low hanging fruit lol
mircea_popescu: mebbe they're bonnet sisters.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu who was doing $conference bot again?
ben_vulpes: hue hue hue
mircea_popescu: (women that spent their adolescent years being fucked with their backs on the same car = bonnet sisters)
mircea_popescu: iirc FabianB
mircea_popescu: !up FabianB
ben_vulpes: I DON'T GET THE CEPHALAPOD JOKE
mircea_popescu: neways, nn all!
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> [] maybe you should've called it cssipd
ben_vulpes: a wait its a c joke
pete_dushenski: cheers mp!
ben_vulpes: and i still dont get it
ben_vulpes: CESSPIT
pete_dushenski: of cooties
ben_vulpes: there've been a few bottles of wine, pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform [] has never worn or so much as touched a hat made from a rarer animal than rabbit << i cap out at elk
pete_dushenski: you celebrating a late orthodox christmas too ?
ben_vulpes: hm? no
ben_vulpes: christmas for me entails chinese food and skiing
pete_dushenski: skiing! this!
ben_vulpes: is this not the civilized sport?
pete_dushenski: lol of course it is
pete_dushenski: i was inelegantly saying that i too have spent a good number of christmas and boxings days on the slopes
ben_vulpes: ah yeah
ben_vulpes: jewish christmas. 'tis a blessing.
pete_dushenski: chrismukkah, we actually had this
ben_vulpes: my parents tried to appease us with seven nights of tchotchkes
ben_vulpes: "FUCK THIS WHY AREN'T WE AT THE CABIN"
pete_dushenski: ;;ud tchotchkes
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tchotchke | I'm going nuts with my mother's accumulation of tchotchkes - it's bad enough she never parted with one she got as a gift - but why did she have to buy more?
ben_vulpes: "no but channukah's not supposed to be a materialistic holiday, it's about murdering the roman--"
ben_vulpes: "I WANT TO SKI MOM"
pete_dushenski: "not until you've murdered your romans and finished your greens, benny"
ben_vulpes: my mom was actually one of those disappointed radicals from the sixties
ben_vulpes: "first, say 'all cops are filth', and then i'll consider taking us up the hill in the morning."
assbot: George Mason University Green Machine plays Rage - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KThSny )
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] "apple is not a technology, apple is a vision" << oh jesus 51% sent me a bill to review in apple's proprietary spreadsheet format today
ben_vulpes: i'm still on 10.9, which has an outdated version of Pages
ben_vulpes: which cannot open "modern" "Pages" files
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pete_dushenski: time to get a personal computer for sanity and a work computer for insanity, neh?
ben_vulpes: i'm fighting iTunes' desire to back my phone up in triplicate (a 45GB project) to maintain a reasonably empty hdd
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'm not buying a non-Apple mobile computer
ben_vulpes: chassis buildout is unparalleled.
ben_vulpes: anyways, blew my stack on any number of fronts and then had to soothe 51% and myriad bystanders down.
pete_dushenski: hey i'm not about to come over there and make you do anything you don't wanna do
pete_dushenski: but just remember that in neoreactionary land, you can always exit
ben_vulpes: what are you running, windows on ferrari?
pete_dushenski: i keep them rolled down mostly
ben_vulpes: hang on i have to find the "my eyes rolled so far back they got stuck" emoji on this osxboard
pete_dushenski: i ran mac stuff, just not the latest
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdp651OV2N1rg712do1_500.jpg << at first i was like "hrrrrrm supa suspect knots" and then i was like "o damn that's a bukkit of immabouttogetrealcold"
assbot: Hi! I just turned 18 in February and am really excited to be getting to try new things ^_^ I'm ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTisSu )
ben_vulpes: <assbot> [] Hi! I just turned 18 in February and am really excited to be getting to try new things ^_^ I'm ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQLTma )
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i give you even money she's contributing to open source projects, doing his/their substitutions. << "she"?
ben_vulpes: well pete_dushenski since it's just you and i...
ben_vulpes: gotta say sir
ben_vulpes: sleep well
pete_dushenski: we dance!
pete_dushenski: or just sleep
pete_dushenski: ya, i'm ready for shuteye too
pete_dushenski: bon soir!
ben_vulpes: i can't imagine you're much of a follower
pete_dushenski: not ballroom!
ben_vulpes: i'm a wee picky about dance partners
assbot: Bottle Dancers Jewish dancers New York City - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTiDNF )
ben_vulpes: oh shit con4
pete_dushenski: you game or what ?
assbot: How Do They Do That? In studio w/Goodspeed's Fiddler on the Roof - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTiJok )
ben_vulpes: homie i grew up on la fille mal garde
pete_dushenski: you're not too old to learn!
pete_dushenski: anyways, let's call it a night
ben_vulpes: tefillin and all?
ben_vulpes: i can bring mine
pete_dushenski: it's a date
ben_vulpes: i'll need more than a few days of practice
ben_vulpes: good excuse to show up a week early
pete_dushenski: we're lords, we've got nothing but time ;)
pete_dushenski: aite, well that's all she wrote for me
pete_dushenski: g'night ben
ben_vulpes: alternatively, come to portland this summer in your downtime
ben_vulpes: night pete
assbot: Microsoft snubs Codeplex, moves big projects to GitHub • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ugd1lP )
fluffypony: M$ really has become a different beast
assbot: LA FILLE MAL GARDEE Mathilde Froustey Pierre Arthur Raveau - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ugdvsb )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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ben_vulpes: fluffypony: "It will be so worth it,” enthuses Uhlenhuth. << downright lovecraftian, this
ben_vulpes just watched too much LFMGD, now must flop organs around hausbox
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assbot: Police Busted the 'Darknet Shopper' Bot's Stash | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnvOjL )
fluffypony: so basically when breaking the law, just claim that it's "art"
fluffypony: brb going to rob a jewellery store for a piece I'm showing at the end of the year
punkman: fluffypony: I liked it
punkman: “The police were there specifically because of the ecstasy. For us, it is important that no one be able to get their hands on it.”
fluffypony: yeah I'm talking about the artist's reaction - "We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art."
fluffypony: oh and Google finally killed off Glass (although I don't suspect they'll stop the research into wearables)
punkman: thing was kinda DoA
fluffypony: pity, I was really looking forward to looking like an absolute tool in public all while filming everyone
thestringpuller: we need da self driving cars first
punkman: older cars without wifi and assorted shitgnomery are gonna be valuable
assbot: Comics Code Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnyE8n )
assbot: Motion Picture Production Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnyG02 )
assbot: ‘Cookies’ by Douglas Adams - Sam Cooney ... ( http://bit.ly/1ycab6w )
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Adlai actually got to use it once, since it's useless for selfies, which the glasshole required >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#982035
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 11:38:55; fluffypony: oh and Google finally killed off Glass (although I don't suspect they'll stop the research into wearables)
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BingoBoingo: !up Zarathul
Zarathul: hi everyone, BingoBoingo thanks for the voice
Zarathul: I'm developing a lightweight MMORPG with crypto economy. and I'm looking for some feedback and alpha testers
Zarathul: we're going to do a common pool of winnings, for Bitcoin tipping/cash-outs, similar to Sarutobi
Zarathul: and we're working on making the in-game assets become crypto-assets
Zarathul: similar to what Lyth MMO does
Zarathul: hence, I thought this channel would be suitable to ask for feedback
Zarathul: anyone interested in taking a look? yes/no/maybe :)
danielpbarron: !gettrust Zarathul
assbot: Zarathul is not registered in WoT.
Zarathul: uhm, forgot to mention
Zarathul: I'm new to this channel
kakobrekla: hey there
kakobrekla: ;;google lyth mmo
gribble: Lyth, the Nxt MMO - Nxt Forum: <https://nxtforum.org/lith-the-nxt-mmo/>; [ANN] Lith - An Emergent Trading Game - Nxt Forum: <https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=611.0>; Lyth - Building an Emergent Trade Game on the Blockchain: <https://lythmmo.com/>
Zarathul: yes, we're familiar with what they're doing. I'm not sure we'll go too much in the sandbox direction
Zarathul: long story short
Zarathul: this is the game
kakobrekla has nfi what are they doing
kakobrekla: anyway you should prolly check in with mircea & s.mg
kakobrekla: and while he isnt here, you can get registered in the wot or something
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Zarathul: yes, I've read the threads
assbot: It's called Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aw9wdm )
Zarathul: just haven't met him online
Zarathul: didn't get a chance to talk, looking fwd to it
Zarathul: anyway
Zarathul: http://takeover.to/ currently Open Alpha, there's no sign of crypto economy yet, testing pure gameplay
assbot: TakeOver - The World - a location-aware browser game ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aw9Ete )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14048 @ 0.00045292 = 6.3626 BTC [+]
Zarathul: in the next major update, the yellow coins will be Satoshis, and the hexes will be crypto assets
kakobrekla: i wonder what will you do if anything with bots?
Zarathul: yeah, unsure :) it is an issue
Zarathul: but not a problem we've had yet, we're pretty early
Zarathul: so, there must be some game design workaround
kakobrekla: myea the 1 wheel car design also doesnt have problems until on road.
Zarathul: I was wondering what the community thinks about crypto games with Bitcoin withdrawal and playing for crypto assets. and if they would play TakeOver
Zarathul: but it seems Sunday is not the most active time around this channel :)
kakobrekla: its still a little early
Zarathul: ok, I guess I'll try again later
kakobrekla: just stick around, people read logs
BingoBoingo: It might take a day or two for people interested asking questions to get to this part of the conversation.
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BingoBoingo: !up Zarathul
Zarathul: thanks
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Keep an eye out for anything qntrable at this thing.
xanthyos: Zarathul: looks like it has potential
xanthyos: correlate in-game gold for satoshis
xanthyos: i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice
TomServo: ;;dice 2d6
gribble: 5 and 5
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xanthyos: TomServo: care to play monopoly? we can use our own boards and everyone gets to be the car
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00043691 = 30.6492 BTC [-]
xanthyos: still your turn TomServo
xanthyos: you're on just visiting
xanthyos: !up Zarathul
Adlai: BingoBoingo: garza's talk got cancelled, so i'm spending most of my time "networking"
kakobrekla: garza's talk got cancelled < scammer decided not to scam? what a scammer.
xanthyos: once your reptutation is that of a scammer the only way to continue scamming is not to scam and in doing so defy expectations; that being the scam.
Adlai: he's still here, paybase/hashnest logo everywhere, giving out free polo shirts at their booth, kickoff party had a giant paybase logo on the side of the hotel
Adlai: actually i didn't see him at the conference itself yesterday, but his goons from the kickoff party were hanging around, so i'm guessing he was there too
Adlai: so, while i'd love to write some english words, my time over the past two days has been spent speaking words and writing code, and today will likely be no different
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 08:29:31; ben_vulpes: Adlai: coming to ars this spring?
Adlai likes the idea of a conference where pitching is forbidden by default
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Adlai -> conf day 2
TomServo: xanthyos: Perhaps another time
assbot: One of those days 2 - Candide Thovex - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14SAm6y )
Zarathul: xanthyos: thanks!
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jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu deposits pls
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: i should prolly make a bot
jurov: for reminding mircea
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mod6: ;;2d6
gribble: Error: "2d6" is not a valid command.
mod6: ;;dice 2d6
gribble: 3 and 4
mod6: we should be playin craps
mod6: any idea why one would want to remove Orphans from the map randomly instead of consecutively?
assbot: bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.9.0 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoMreN )
mod6: what's the benifit here?
jurov: tried to blame it?
mod6: naw, just (stupidly) trying to understand danebramige
assbot: Limit the number of orphan blocks · bbde1e9 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1sRe7sR )
mod6: hrm.
mod6: anyway, im looking at this stuff way up in 0.9.0 because im still trying to get a read on why when you sync the blockchain from genesis to current the R.I. chews through all of its memory until it causes a SIGKILL from out of memory.
mod6: im looking into these mapOrphanBlocks data structures as they basically go unchecked for size in 0.5.3.
jurov: they decided to keep only 750 orphans and thus had to come out with algo to prune them
mod6: yea
mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet.
jurov: if they didn't chase the performance and went with real database, one'd just create another table for orphans
mod6: i added some debug code to main.cpp and am now syncing the chain, seeing how many orphans are in the map, every time it finds an orphanblock in ProcessBlock
mod6: XXX ProcessBlock: mapOrphanBlocks.size(): 4206
jurov: how long is one entry?
mod6: it goes up and down a bit, but has been hovering in around 4k orphans.. im at about 185xxx blocks
mod6: it depends.
mod6: haven't added anything for that yet.
mod6: we do know that it must be < 1Mb
mod6: hi
jurov: mod6 <265k
mod6: why 256?
jurov: nm, yes it's 1m
jurov: regardless of if it is the case, is it feasible ddos scenario to generate lots of orphans for old blocks?
mod6: yeah
mod6: so there was a check in 0.5.3 that requires checkpoints for this, which i removed in the rm_checkpoints patch
assbot: bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoQMyA )
mod6: which is that block
mod6: 1442->1463
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: "not until you've murdered your romans and finished your greens, benny" << hahahaha
mod6: and in forward versions, there are a variety of other checks for orphan spam other than that.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so why not bring mom here ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what are you running, windows on ferrari? << bwahahaha these two. should be cuffed together, endrunkened to 115% and dropped on a sound stage.
assbot: - Rabbi Jacob dance - Bar Mitsva Daniel (5).avi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sRk2ye )
mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony: microsoft_moves_major_projects_to_github/ << heh. github as-is is actually precisely fit for microsoft.
mircea_popescu: ms has not become a different beast. what used to be foss has decayed to the level one can't distinguish it from microsoft anymore.
mircea_popescu: !up sgornick
mircea_popescu: sgornick can you self voice ?
mircea_popescu: “On the morning of January 12, the day after the three-month exhibition was closed, the public prosecutor's office of St. Gallen seized and sealed our work. It seems, the purpose of the confiscation is to impede an endangerment of third parties through the drugs exhibited by destroying them. This is what we know at present. We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art.”
mircea_popescu: lol !Mediengruppe Bitnik causing trouble eh.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so basically when breaking the law, just claim that it's "art" << you will notice that they merely bought random items. this illustrates the solid point that the notion that buying items can be made illegal implies buying itself was made illegal, through this randomness device.
sgornick: mircea_popescu, Yes, I can successfully !up in a PM to assbot to get voice.
mircea_popescu: not entirely without merit.
mircea_popescu: sgornick a cool.
sgornick: Just popping in to suggest someone here reply to this: https://twitter.com/craignewmark/status/556868720883032064
assbot: Maybe the blockchain could be the basis of a global "web of trust" and that could be an hugely big deal. https://t.co/jaQC4zLSuT
mircea_popescu: fluffypony there's a lot of challenges to the quaint notions of what the state has the authority to do to be brought through deploying the much more widely avaialble powers of math. situation somewhat similar to, while currently a government may claim for itself the right to legislate as to the albedo of undiscovered stars, once they're discovered that's gone.
mircea_popescu: sgornick tbh, it's kind of how it goes, that various social media heads put up on whatever social media thing bits and pieces of what they've read in year-old logs here.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron occasionally chases it.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's an entirely separate issue to "I choose to live in your house and abide by your rules...except when it doesn't suit and I can just claim 'art' instead"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it is the government that lives in their house, not vice-versa.
fluffypony: artists don't have particularly big guns ;)
mircea_popescu: now this is an entirely differnet point indeed :)
mircea_popescu: and if you recall, i'm actually against "free drugs". but that doesn't change they don't have much of a logical standpoint.
mircea_popescu: to use the "on terrorism" apparatus, obviously a state can try to support itself on both process of law and terrorism. some, like stalin's , actually succeeded. it's dubious one can succeed without a stalin to o it tho. i dun see bureaucrats were ever born able to pull it off.
mircea_popescu: *: Adlai actually got to use it once, since it's useless for selfies, which the glasshole required << all you need's a mirror neh ?
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron fixt! thx!
mircea_popescu: Zarathul: I'm developing a lightweight MMORPG with crypto economy. and I'm looking for some feedback and alpha testers << ever heard of s.mg ? also, iirc DreadKnight is doing something similar.
mircea_popescu: you could prolly also say hi in #eulora (s.mg's mmorp in development irc room)
Adlai: all you need's a mirror neh ? << but then your selfie immortalizes you a glasshole
mircea_popescu: shoot a bullet hole through mirror, take your pic, title the result "glasshole through looking glass with hole"
mircea_popescu: now that's art.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes c'est beau!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Adlai: thx for fucking up !b 2
mircea_popescu: i guess once bitcoin fails i'll run a slavegirl harem / art collective.
pete_dushenski: anytime?
asciilifeform doesn't get the whole 'glasshole' meme. carrying a pNohe everywhere, with its two or three cameras pointed every-which-way, is somehow perfectly civilized; but wearing a threadbare camera on your head, not ?
pete_dushenski: adlai pretty sure there's ways to grab text and submit for bashage ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how social works work. so : if anyone can get one, it's ok. if it becomes apparent not everyone will have one, it's not.
Adlai: if it can't be done thru assbot i don't wanna hear about it
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform one is normalised, one "too obvious"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was my impression
mircea_popescu: it's EXACTLY what it is.
mircea_popescu: if the fashion looks like it doesn't have the steam, backlash prevails.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, backlash doesn't.
pete_dushenski: it's not clear to me why everyone couldn't have a glasshole
mircea_popescu: which is why the notion that social discussion is argument driven is just so much rubbish. which is why conde nast wants reddit and the new york times moved to publishing pics and tweets.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski because they suck.
pete_dushenski: they might not want one, but the thing's for sale
Adlai always thought "glasshole" was less about carrying a camera everywhere, more about constantly having your screen open
pete_dushenski: too much bezzlars eh
mircea_popescu: right, but the headcount that'll NEVER wear them is large enough
mircea_popescu: so it fails.
asciilifeform: there was a fairly detailed discussion here in #b-a re: why ocular displays which don't suck have been costing the same 100k usd since 1985.
asciilifeform: and aren't about to stop.
mircea_popescu: i recall that convo.
pete_dushenski: but the knock-off market, like that for lv purses, should fill that demand
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski point is it's not a demand.
asciilifeform: !s kopin
assbot: 1 results for 'kopin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kopin
asciilifeform: it's a 'demand' of pretty much one guy, yours truly, who wants to program in bed.
asciilifeform: hence - no demand.
pete_dushenski: only because it never seemed "premium" just creepy
mircea_popescu: consider how it works. take an island of 100 people, of which 5 boys and 6 girls under 30, 10 boys and 11 girls under 40. now, one day the fashion is for girls to wear clothes with a hole over left nipple, so it's always exposed.
mircea_popescu: 15 boys like this. if 9 girls hate it, it'll become a "civil rights" issue, but happen anyway.
mircea_popescu: if 3 girls hate it, it'll become a tradition.
mircea_popescu: had 9 boys hated it, it'd have become a google glass.
pete_dushenski: so >90% boys like a toy --> fashion!
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: > 25% or so hate it --> doomed.
pete_dushenski: 30-90% and who knows
mircea_popescu: yea actuall this can be the 30-90% rule.
pete_dushenski: i can see it
mircea_popescu: note obviously that all this applies to flat, ie, non hierarchical situations, like what to wear.
pete_dushenski: the fashions of the peoples
mircea_popescu: in hierarchical situations, once ford decides to order his lieutenant to mine a hill because he sees rust on it,
mircea_popescu: that's that, ecology is now a thing.
mircea_popescu: all it takes there is one. one jobs for everyone from samsung to chinaxxx to make ipads
pete_dushenski: jobs asked zero people how many fucks they gave
pete_dushenski: "here's what you need now"
pete_dushenski: and voila
pete_dushenski: bell bottom jeans, on the other hand
mircea_popescu: which is why teenaged girls with little sex experience but nice tits and barbiedoll face tend to go into "fashion design", whereas fat dudes with an acne problem tend to flock to busienss school.
mircea_popescu: actually i guess it's mostly "pr" now. same deal, "you need css for your website, you need tanga slips for your barbie"
pete_dushenski: so fat dudes with acne aren't in to fashions?
mircea_popescu: too many people dislike them, so they'd never make it.
pete_dushenski: that's a point
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient observation that bright young lads do not "choose their field of research", they merely go with the first direction where they happen to have some success.
pete_dushenski: there's something to be said for having society show you the door early on
mircea_popescu: this is true of people generall.
pete_dushenski: path of least resistance
pete_dushenski: same as following fashions
pete_dushenski: it's much harder to carve your own niche in this regard as well
mircea_popescu: kinda why it's the job of parents to send the popular girl to live naked with the pigs for a summer , and respectively force the acne boy to dance naked in gay bars the same summer.
mircea_popescu: or somesuch. i dunno, not a parent, use salt.
pete_dushenski: basically, throwing children into the fire is +ev
pete_dushenski: little bit of stress does the system wonders
pete_dushenski: it either breaks them, in which case, try again
pete_dushenski: or it makes them, in which case you now have your retirement plan sorted
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: TomServo: care to play monopoly? we can use our own boards and everyone gets to be the car << i always play the hat!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.00045942 = 25.1303 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski of course, they might not like you anymore.
pete_dushenski: so sophistakated!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu this'd only be a problem if you thought that parents = friends
pete_dushenski: and still, there's no guarantee that they'll like you if you coddle them either
mircea_popescu: Adlai: he's still here, paybase/hashnest logo everywhere, giving out free polo shirts at their booth, kickoff party had a giant paybase logo on the side of the hotel << because "advertisin fixes everything" "we're creating awareness".
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : because somethingawful forums keeps driving people to trilema, i started a banner campaign there.
pete_dushenski: heh nice
Adlai: there's a booth at this conference, advertising for another conference. they're giving out free stress balls, those bouncy nerf foam tennisballsized things you can squeeze... over the course of the day, corners get filled up with these garbages
Adlai: they win the best advertising award
mircea_popescu: it produced ~400 clicks in 24 hours. which i imagine it's about 100% of everyone that set eyes on it.
kakobrekla: Adlai pics ?
Adlai: what is with everybody and pictures
mircea_popescu: yeah Adlai this blogging sucks.
Adlai: "blogging"
mircea_popescu: that's no excuse!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu great success
kakobrekla: i just wanna have something to show when ppl come asking where gaw money went
mircea_popescu: adlai meets girl at party. she drags him to upstairs bedroom. they go at it. after a while, she's "adlai, this fucking sucks!" and he retorts calmly
mircea_popescu: "fucking"
Adlai: "suck!"
pete_dushenski: peeople expect the "you are rich, just click here to claim your winnings" shtick, but "you are poor" is just genius
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im just an asshole, whadda i know.
pete_dushenski: uh business ?
pete_dushenski: how to confuze noobs ?
mircea_popescu: ok, those two
pete_dushenski: it's a start
mircea_popescu: three! THREE SECRET WEAPONS!
Adlai: "the fact that it attracts so many scammers is a complement to bitcoin"
pete_dushenski: the wmdcoin
mircea_popescu: Adlai they meant compliment ?
Adlai: yes, typo
mircea_popescu: the balls are a complement to your cock ; the wow's you hear are compliments to your cock.
Adlai: this is from jeffrey tucker, the only speaker who hasn't used a slideshow
Adlai: he's just bouncing around on stage waxing euphoric about the rocketship
mircea_popescu: i can see the point anyway. the wasps are a compliment to the grapes and the flies to the dead donkey.
Adlai: exactly
Adlai: if nobody's trying to steal it, it's probably not worth stealing
mircea_popescu: it all depends whether you're waspivorous or shitflyvorous
Adlai: there's a real estate booth here, and a yacht booth. they have nothingc to do with bitcoin except accepting it as payment.
mircea_popescu: lol. sold anything ?
pete_dushenski: time to go for a little cruise. cheers
Adlai: doubtful, seen a price ticker lately?
Adlai: they're probably more likely to make a sale if they put up a sign saying they don't take bitcoin
mircea_popescu: mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet. << i don't see how concurrent chains would cause memory outages.
mircea_popescu: jurov: regardless of if it is the case, is it feasible ddos scenario to generate lots of orphans for old blocks? << yes.
mircea_popescu: !up Zarathul
Adlai: there shouldn't be any problem incorporating headers-first mitigation of that ddos vector
mircea_popescu: how'd that go ?
Adlai: "If you think bitcoin people are passionate about bitcoin, you should see how passionate cannabis people are about cannabis"
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you should see how passionate self-mutilating idiots are about "transgender"
mircea_popescu: politicians about lying, journalists about being stupid, on it goes.
Adlai knows a few, not sure how passionate they are about the transition itself
Adlai: it's a rather shitty process
Adlai: lol this guy's roadmap for bitcoin adoption: cannabis, gun dealers, and then "pilates instructors, masseuses, and anybody else who doesn't want to pay a single dollar to the IRS"
mircea_popescu: point being, whoever finds something fundamental and builds his mental representation of life on top of it is going to act like someone who's built his mental representation of life on top of it.
mircea_popescu: Adlai generally a good indication that all he does is smoke pot, and watch dudes firing guns and chicks doing yoga in yoga pants on youtube.
assbot: Andrew Filipowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KU2OGp )
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet. << i don't see how concurrent chains would cause memory outages. << well, there is a container that holds these orphan blocks unchecked in v0.5.3. if this actually is related to the R.I. chewing through all its ram, perhaps a limit should be introduced.
mircea_popescu: jurov: i should prolly make a bot << it's been up to date ?
Adlai: it's rather refreshing to hear this guy say that most of teh previous talks (xapo et al) are a total waste of time and detrimental to bitcoin
asciilifeform: 'Filipowski was the 1998 recipient of the Anti-Defamation League's Torch of Liberty Award, first for the Silicon Prairie (Chicago), for his support in fighting hate on the Internet.'
mod6: anyway, i'm gonna keep debugging this thing. will give updates.
mircea_popescu: mod6 but a) a block can no longer be an orphan once the block at the height it disputes has its coinbases spendable ; b) the sum total of orphans to date isn't, if memory serves, 8gb.
Adlai: you guys would like this talk, he just spent ~3 minutes talking about how americans can't read anymore
mircea_popescu: we interrupt this program for a special announcement from the better blowjob bureau : http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc7uh3K9uU1rjs43ho1_500.gif
mod6: ahh ok, well, in relation to "b", i've seen this SIGKILL/OOM problem on a local vm with 1Gb of ram, and an AWS VM with 2Gb of ram.
mircea_popescu: mod6 actually this would be a good datapoint to compute. find out the sum total of orphans to date.
Adlai: "sure, there are people who still buy LPs, audiophiles dedicated to authentic sounds... but the US dollar is more like an 8-track tape"
mircea_popescu: in what way ?
Adlai: worthless crap
mircea_popescu: so what's the lp, gold ?
mircea_popescu: this is such a dumb metaphor.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 actually this would be a good datapoint to compute. find out the sum total of orphans to date. << noted. will see what I can come up with.
kakobrekla: btw if someone is curious why empty blocks are still mined, its because of network propagation and orphans.
kakobrekla: the math tells them better to drop tx than to take additional risk or an orphan
mircea_popescu: that can't be a problem because internet doubles every year
kakobrekla: of an orphan*
mircea_popescu: (conservatively0
kakobrekla: miner could have a bad connection
kakobrekla: for example that 100k usd fury rack was connected to the internet via 3 mobile phone connections back in the day.
mircea_popescu: "Having said that, the main reason I've never heard of him is probably that I mostly ignore Bitcoin current affairs, because its design flaws will eventually kill it. The key ideas behind the technology are epoch-makingly brilliant, but the trouble with any distributed P2P system - the thing that kills most of them in the end - is that for any given design flaw, there are people who benefit from it, and those people wi
mircea_popescu: ll fork the network to keep it. Eventually, the network will cease to have utility because it will be too small and then it will die. The three specific things that will ultimately kill Bitcoin are the limit on the number of coins, the lack of any kind of value anchor, and the absence of compulsory transaction fees. "
mircea_popescu: dude where would we be without bitcoin experts that built their expertise on ignorance!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25322 @ 0.00046409 = 11.7517 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: !up TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: bless his soul. "bitcoin is bad because no government to inflate it, no government to posture about it, no government to tax it".
asciilifeform: trololol.
TheNewDeal: So I aithed through gribble and then assbot is sending me some separate link when I try for !Up. Is it just like the gribble auth process?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal just decode the otp and send !v decodedotp
mircea_popescu: gribble auth no longer used/required for assbot voice.
TheNewDeal: Roger that
mircea_popescu: discussion on the 16th logs.
ben_vulpes: good morning, arsonists
mircea_popescu: i only rape and pillage.
ben_vulpes: Zarathul: http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=252647 << that's your inspiration? and is lith playable anywhere?
assbot: Universal SaruTobi - Touch Arcade ... ( http://bit.ly/1yx9Nyu )
assbot: Database Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1yx9OlW )
Adlai: ENOTRACK
asciilifeform: (or, not quite, but they want one. review of relevant maths, etc.)
mircea_popescu: is this new ?
asciilifeform: from the spiegel thing
asciilifeform: in that sense - new
asciilifeform: but if it was in snowden's arse capsule, it is not 'new' in the usual sense of the word
jurov: mircea_popescu: it's okay i forgot it's another account. derp :(
jurov: no bots needed
mircea_popescu: mebbe i make an android sexbot to come to your place and disturb your thoughts
jurov: imo assbot haunts me sufficiently
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/EdLych8 << even this was in there.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxbax8 )
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021389 B (Total: 467.74 B). Delta: -1.46 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;calc 21389/1.01
gribble: 21177.2277228
jurov: ;;calc 21389*1.01
gribble: 21602.89
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 312060730.861
TheNewDeal: ;;ident TheNewDeal
gribble: Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] ben_vulpes so why not bring mom here ? << well now she's full-bore communist. notrly good company for the asshats.
hanbot: could be fun...
ben_vulpes: myeah i've read asylum
ben_vulpes: think i'll reserve the right to fuck with my mom's head for myself
hanbot: isn't that incestuous?
hanbot: it should be a stranger.
ben_vulpes: winding up one's own mother's an acquired taste.
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 339544 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1159 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 48 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42674274810.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.95051
ben_vulpes: plus there's a bit of "that's my little brother, only i get to bully him around"
hanbot: she's younger than you?!
davout: wtf am i reading
hanbot: hi frenchie
ben_vulpes is time traveling
davout: hai hanbot
TheNewDeal: faster then normal?
TheNewDeal: or just the regular 1/sec/sec traveling pace
hanbot: all that caffeine...
ben_vulpes: barely through the first cup yet
mircea_popescu: lmao hanbot onslaught
ben_vulpes: it's too much!
ben_vulpes: hanslaught
mircea_popescu: "and suddenly, totally out of everyone's left field, chtulu"
hanbot: well now i know what my name'll be if i ever wwf
davout: mircea_popescu: LOL
mircea_popescu: i think wrestling's called something else now.
ben_vulpes: i think wrestling is still called wrestling.
TheNewDeal: not when cthulu is involved
mircea_popescu: they basically rebrand it each decade, so 10yos can all have their own.
ben_vulpes: no no
ben_vulpes: wrestling
ben_vulpes: is still wrestling
ben_vulpes: words don't just *lose* their meaning mircea_popescu sheesh
TheNewDeal: just finished Case of Dextar Ward, anyone read that?
TheNewDeal: short by Lovecraft
mircea_popescu: WWE, was previously known as the "World Wrestling Federation" or "WWF" from 1979 to 2002
TheNewDeal: I think they combined at some point, and then split up again
mircea_popescu: so i guess hanbot was nine prior to 2002
mircea_popescu: tbh that;s dubious, i recall a "nitro" something
ben_vulpes: iirc they got sued by the world wildlife foundation
hanbot: lol acronyms are ip nao too?!
mircea_popescu: always were.
assbot: run moar winblows - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfJwvm )
TheNewDeal: Actually it looks like they're still contained under one parent company. IPO'd under "WWE" on the nyse
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin 0.8.5 or later is required << apparently p2pool is asshats.
ben_vulpes: oh goodie another thing to rewrite
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re previous imgur : wtf is that kindergarten shit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ask'em
mircea_popescu: nobody there to stand up and tell them where to stick that shit /
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00045488 = 14.3287 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] if the fashion looks like it doesn't have the steam, backlash prevails. << i wonder if Apple has the steel to pull off their watch play.
TheNewDeal: ;;market --buy 10000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2613072.8741 USD and would take the last price up to 400.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 261.3073 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0116 seconds
asciilifeform suggests that after folks are tired of 'smart watches', which proved that it is possible to build a device even more cramped/antiergonomic than a pNohe - electronics vendors should build touch screens in pencil erasers.
asciilifeform: 'smartpencil' !
TheNewDeal: someone just gave me one of those pens with the electromagnetic tip that works with touchscreens, great for reducing fat-fingers
ben_vulpes somewhat misses the stylexen
TheNewDeal: not returning results on google. what is it?
ben_vulpes: stylus*
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes prolly not.
mircea_popescu: nah, in eyeglass lenses.
mircea_popescu: which they tried.
ben_vulpes: not viable yet.
ben_vulpes: requires drawing on the retina to work properly imho.
mircea_popescu: i kinda have high hopes once the foldable screens come into their own
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: was viable in 1985.
mircea_popescu: they'll make girl stockings ouf of the things
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see earlier thread.
ben_vulpes frowns
ben_vulpes: i thought i was reasonably well acquainted with that thread
ben_vulpes: don't the eyeglass lenses have a focus at infinity problem?
ben_vulpes: as in needing to switch between focusing on something in front of one and focusing on the screen?
asciilifeform: incidentally, the security implications of a good head-worn computer display suggest that no such thing will be permitted to exist while usg has any say on the subject.
mircea_popescu: !up Vince12432e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34317 @ 0.00046641 = 16.0058 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: head-worn displays are considered, by usg, to be key military tech (all existing manufacturers of serious - i.e. svga and above units - supply usg exclusively)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are mostly, but not exclusively, issued to jet pilots
asciilifeform: (a variant for infantry was, last i heard, in the works, but mired in an f35-esque bureaucratic treacle)
mircea_popescu: the russians use them . the chinese use them.
mircea_popescu: they cost a shitton.
asciilifeform: they were not, last i checked, sop in any russian machine.
mircea_popescu: the new sukhoi thing has them from what i recall.
asciilifeform: now, 'heads-up' displays - yes
asciilifeform: but not the same!
asciilifeform: 'heads-up' projects onto the glass. snore.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the difference might simply be explained by price. so, if a car costs 20-30k and a supercar 200 to 300k, whereas a jet fighter 20 to 30 mn,
mircea_popescu: it stands to reason tech available to one is not available to the other.
mircea_popescu: because it'd cost more than the fucking car.
asciilifeform: except that the 'magic' of a microdisplay is entirely one silicon die.
asciilifeform: could easily cost a penny.
asciilifeform: every year i go to my local university's tech exhibit. there is always this one greybeard who runs their si fab, and he has some old wafers, etc. he also has a 'look in this box and press red button.' inside: svga display with graphics demo. the stamp on the box is some time in the '90s.
asciilifeform: i ask him, 'can this be had?' greybeard: 'nope. project killed by upper management.'
asciilifeform: (box was approx. the size of a deck of cards.)
asciilifeform: it took me many years to realize why svga ocular display cannot be had at price below a 'boeing.' not because miniaturized led is dark magic.
asciilifeform: and not because of the patent trolls - they are merely the weapon, not the wielder
asciilifeform: it's a straight usg thing.
asciilifeform: not even entirely usg. none of the wealthy mega-army states really want inexpensive partizan-warfare aids on the shelf.
jurov: kakobrekla: assbot definitely stopped reporting divs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "could cost a penny". well... how'd they make money then ?
davout: mircea_popescu: see you published, nice! reading nao
asciilifeform: same way the folks who make 8051 microcontrollers, etc. make money.
mircea_popescu: davout aye.
asciilifeform: be chinese, have massive scale.
mircea_popescu: apparently they don't like that business model.
asciilifeform: the puzzle is not about what they like or dislike, but why they even get asked.
mircea_popescu: because they own it ?
asciilifeform: puzzle is - why no usurpers.
mircea_popescu: cause idiot females too busy with "transgender friends" and idiot males too busy reading moldbug.
asciilifeform: mr mold has the saving grace of at least being a finite quantity.
mircea_popescu: does cardano not exist on shelf because usg ?
asciilifeform admits he read all of it
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asciilifeform does not blame usg for everything
mircea_popescu: but same moidel. useful item with market that doesn't exist for public.
mircea_popescu: public is apparently happy with trezor and glass.
asciilifeform: [insert the ancient threads re: toy keyboards, etc.]
asciilifeform: !s four ring
assbot: 2 results for 'four ring' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=four+ring
mircea_popescu: think about it the other way. a display is merely a display. it works on information. if the information is all in a box, then you're probably not a very good partizan. more of a hacker. "playing the harmonica" so to speak.
mircea_popescu: if the informtion comes on a wire, the eye piece is the least vulnerable place.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2013 16:56:53; asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the point was not about optical snooping, etc. mundane fact is that the number one application for svga ocular is really partizan infantry.
mircea_popescu: like how ?
asciilifeform: display maps, secure comms, targeting aids
mircea_popescu: partizan infantry is not that much about targeting, or maps.
asciilifeform: signals intelligence on enemy (how'd you like to see into em spectrum?)
mircea_popescu: in fact, it'd help the invader more than the partizans.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: you might, at home, in armchair. and that you can presently do.
mircea_popescu: out in the field, you much prefer seeing in visible.
asciilifeform: you would if searching for the loud obnoxious american radio
asciilifeform: the 'doom'-playing privates, etc.
mircea_popescu: not your job to search for that.
mircea_popescu: most targetting needs both eyes. to propose that poking a man in one is doing his targetting a service...
mircea_popescu: first thging you teach idiot kids. "don't close your eye. don't squint"
asciilifeform: not the idiot google monocular.
mircea_popescu: even as the jet fighter overlay thing.
asciilifeform: actual high-res overlay for both eyes, with everything that would normally come in sans oculars plus the extra.
mircea_popescu: that only works if you have the network.
mircea_popescu: you know ? just like the jet is not a self contained machine.
mircea_popescu: so is that thing not self contained.
mircea_popescu: well... then its existence is not where it'd be attacked.
asciilifeform: even if sole purpose is to zero in on enemy rf, still useful
asciilifeform: just as thermovisor is useful
mircea_popescu: thermovisor is only useful at night, and only worn at night
mircea_popescu: audibo much more useful for closing in on position.
mircea_popescu: (thing does a stereo *ping* in the direction in question)
mircea_popescu: yup. were these the steam ones ?
asciilifeform: passive
asciilifeform: acoustic stereolocators
asciilifeform: fella sits inside, hose in each ear.
asciilifeform: ww1 tech.
mircea_popescu: oh those
mircea_popescu: they had some noise makers too
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mircea_popescu: undata davout so was one of you two picking up deedbot ?
davout: yup
mircea_popescu: well which ? :D
davout: i think both
undata: I'm hacking on it today
davout: i started toying with it a bit, apparently undata too
davout: six implementations later
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as there's really only going to be one, this may be counterproductive. you want it resolved ?
undata: sure, if there's a prefered party that's fine with me
undata: I'm just taking the spec as is, implementing around the go bot afore-linked
davout: i've poured 2~3 hours in it so far, so either way is fine with me
mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
davout: sounds good!
undata: thanks, figured I'd make myself useful for once
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mod6: dimple
ben_vulpes: no dimple
ben_vulpes: hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea?
davout: undata: i wouldn't mind sharing the work i did so far, but you don't seem so keen on ruby
undata: davout: appreciate it; however nah I'm not
ben_vulpes: getdata is used in response to inv, to retrieve the content of a specific object, and is usually sent after receiving an inv packet, after filtering known elements. It can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).
davout: what are you building it in, out of curiosity?
undata: davout: I'd take a peak if you like
undata: *peek
undata: davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go
davout: i had all the easter eggs already done :D
undata: the bot comes with example services in python, but I'm prety "meh" on gevent as well
undata: man my spelling has been deplorable today
ben_vulpes frowns
ben_vulpes: my bouncer seems to be dropping lines
undata: ben_vulpes: dat znc
ben_vulpes: i do not want to drop 3 hours on fiddling my bouncer again.
ben_vulpes: but tooling's important.
davout: setting up znc was a painful experience
ben_vulpes: the requirement to configure it through the running instance is batshit
davout: "ohai, i'm a config file, pls to not edit"
ben_vulpes: yeah, fuck yourselves.
kakobrekla edited his znc conf file many times.
davout: kakobrekla: dat thug life
Adlai wonders when system d will begin using systemd
ben_vulpes: ourobottering
davout: the way i see this whole conundrum evolve is that eventually systemd will be renamed 'ubuntu'
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you made it to Ritholtz today http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/01/sunday-reads-27/
assbot: 10 Sunday Reads | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6jiFY )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol ancient post
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: any idea why linked now ?
ben_vulpes: ask barry yourself
ben_vulpes: he's got an eclectic filter
asciilifeform has no idea who this fell is
ben_vulpes: some "asset manager"
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TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
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mircea_popescu: o look, alf is now being read by the vcs :D
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: link?
mircea_popescu: above in the log
thestringpuller: logs are so 1985
thestringpuller: i only keep 10 lines of IRC in memory at a time like a true G
assbot: Navy report: 2014 Super Hornet crash was preventable | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV5bXq )
decimation: "In one of the jets, a young pilot was flying his first training mission since becoming qualified to use a special helmet that projects key flight data - such as air speed, altitude, target range - onto his visor. The pilot, investigators learned later, hadn't gone through a recommended computer-based course before being cleared to fly with the visor-mounted display."
mircea_popescu: wait so it's not like magic ?
decimation: no, apparently it's is quite disorienting if not familiar
decimation: "Within 15 seconds, the jet had accelerated to more than 575 mph and was descending at a 70 degree angle. The pilot, while monitoring his visor-mounted display and doing his best to keep an eye on the other jet, had apparently lost track of his rate of descent."
assbot: Clustering ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV9pOV )
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw4sdZ )
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw4tys )
mircea_popescu: one is The requested URL /register.ph but the other is The requested URL /register.php‎
mircea_popescu: where the fuck does the crud get in
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mircea_popescu: anyway, read the dude's 10 page long "comment policy", then read the comments on that article.
Adlai: no
assbot: Questions remain after Sentinel police chief is shot, detained man is released | News OK ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywbkrG )
assbot: [undata] Deed system for #bitcoin-assets, updated. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywblfb )
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undata: mircea_popescu: I've got it adding keys and accepting valid signed messages, building out the bundle-and-stamp process
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea? << i think it's rudimentary spam control.
mircea_popescu: undata: davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go << i bet you had no idea just how popular golang is, eh asciilifeform
Adlai: in go's defense... they have sane concurrency primitives, as opposed to pretty much everything else
mircea_popescu: "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story.
Adlai: aka "have i spammed http://www.usingcsp.com/ yet this year?"
assbot: Communicating Sequential Processes (CSP), by C. A. R. Hoare (Electronic Version) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywctzs )
PeterL: xanthyos:i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice << scoopbot started as a bot to roll dice for me and my friend RPGing over IRC
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story << Prolly related to post 0.8.x versions not keeping a full txindex by default. Have to set a flag for them to do it.
mircea_popescu: actually... should i put in a job for a games bot ? could start it with monopoly. it just keeps dropping pngs of the table after each player's roll
mircea_popescu: trivial to do for chess, too. but kind-of spammy.
PeterL: would it live on #bitcoin-assets-games?
mircea_popescu: i guess that'd work well enough huh ?
PeterL: could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started?
mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess with peterl. to which it responds "peterl are you playing with mircea_popescu ?" and then it looks for the moves, updates an inner state and keeps spitting out pngs of the board as links.
PeterL: actually, that sounds like a fun project
mircea_popescu: same principle with monopoly.
mircea_popescu: probably should have go, chinese chess, stuff.
mircea_popescu: maybe this already exists ?
PeterL: There are placed like yahoo games, I don't know of any text-based games
mircea_popescu: no i mean specifically irc bots
mircea_popescu: so you can just copy the code.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it could easily be self-financing, charge 0.0001 per player ro something.
xanthyos: oh monopoly doesn't just require dice rolls but chance and community chest card ordering
xanthyos: .0001 per player per entry, and with new players dropping in after the game already started it could have a cumulative prize pool
xanthyos: with rebuys
PeterL: maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold?
PeterL: s/join/koin
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess << already pretty much done with this in GPG. Needs to be vetted thoroughly tho before any widespread release
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: anyway, it could easily be self-financing << only if lots of games are available over time. vis-a-vis crypto-arcade/midway but meh dunno. Long road is long :P
PeterL: I was thinking more of something for us to have fun rather than trying to make money
thestringpuller: because game developers are starving artists :P
kakobrekla: i had fun once
Adlai: then the fire nation attacked?
kakobrekla: no, it was awful.
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Adlai: huh, what happened to two weeks notice: "This account was deleted and is no longer recoverable."
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij )
kakobrekla: make fixes if needed
PeterL: on wiki, !verify should have short !v included
kakobrekla: fixed ty
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kakobrekla: also first steps in ba is outdated
kakobrekla: if anyone wants to fix that be my guest.
PeterL: "since no sessions, bot can be used without the need for you being present on any channel" < it should say you need to be in chan to get voiced
kakobrekla: that goes without saying.
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kakobrekla: or i dunno
kakobrekla: hit edit button if not
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story. << pointless degradation of network protocol to reduce utility of bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: <PeterL> [] could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started? << bitcoin monopoly?!
mircea_popescu: well of course bitcoin monopoly.
mircea_popescu: and seeing how the guilty parties are not here present to defend themselves, i see little trouble going with your theory.
asciilifeform: Ritholtz link << astonishingly boring site
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: industry gossip rag, whaddaya want
asciilifeform: i did figure out why it dug up my old article
asciilifeform: it is apparently being passed around by lamers, who did not even look at the date, as 'lol bitcoin users, maybe this will save them from certain sc4mz0r d00m'
mircea_popescu: in his quest for easy lolz, the idiot robs himself of the good lolz.
mircea_popescu: <PeterL> maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold? << maybe simply allow people to sell out their token
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kakobrekla: i mean
kakobrekla: no and yes!
kakobrekla: not on the pic but represent!
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9vorgq3x51rcmfhmo1_250.gif << saving this for later, in case i need to illustrate VC investment or something.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can multiple nicks be reg'd to same key ?
ben_vulpes: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.00045252 = 24.4813 BTC [+] {2} << someone's scooping cheap mpoe
mircea_popescu: !up metsuno
decimation: !up WolfGoethe
WolfGoethe: welcome all
assbot: Linus Torvalds Does Not Give A Shit About You And Your Dumb Opinions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyYvIi )
mircea_popescu: meh, gawker.
BingoBoingo: It's the most unGawker thing I've ever seen on Gawker
WolfGoethe: what is happening in Ukraine Donesk now holds the fate of the world in the balance....
BingoBoingo: Highligh:>> UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for di
BingoBoingo: versity then. I regret the error, and have updated the post to reflect that.
WolfGoethe: naturally...
decimation: Eh, Ukraine is already Putin's
assbot: 'I taught Shanley Kane how to troll, and I'm sincerely sorry' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az0gFc )
asciilifeform: 'grow a motherfucking spine linux. get this asshole out.' << mega-lol!
mircea_popescu: lmao wut.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo's link
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 03:27:36; BingoBoingo: Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously, the dramas
mircea_popescu: is this like that one time when the idiot murican journos threw a fit that the french president didn't care about whatever stupid shit they had picked to make their world out of, and then were never heard from again ?
mircea_popescu: what's linux going to do, name itself gavinus ?
mircea_popescu: "it's not new, it's the same thing!"
mircea_popescu: "we've just forked it because we're stupid. same thing!"
asciilifeform finds it somewhat odd that there is not yet an official 'rat king' (poettering?) to serve as an 'anti-linus'
BingoBoingo: Kinda, but with layers of stupid coming into conflict. A stupid schism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, they don't need a king you see. they're sans coulottes, they talk a lot, and that's all that's needed.
mircea_popescu: well, that and changing all the he's to theirs.
assbot: MallocMaleficarum.txt ≈ Packet Storm ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az1FMa )
mircea_popescu: the only pity here is that linus is about as political minded as your average frog, and so instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux, strangling poettering by his own guts and so on,
mircea_popescu: he just sits there and ignores the matter.
asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els
mircea_popescu: very important to promote a lot more people who are actually willing to kill these idiots, not just ignore them.
mats: http://www.dailycal.org/2014/09/28/gov-jerry-brown-signs-affirmative-consent-law-dream-loan-bill-sunday >> wau. "legislation states that consent in sexual activity is an “affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement” and that intoxicated agreement does not count as consent."
assbot: Brown signs affirmative consent, undocumented student loan bills Sunday | Dailycal.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az1VLa )
asciilifeform: malleus maleficarum << classic
asciilifeform: linus is about as political minded as your average frog... sits there and ignores... instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux << how's he to do that.
asciilifeform: without getting out of usa personally, rather.
mircea_popescu: no such rider in my statement.
mircea_popescu: but, simply refusing to merge anything in any way related to anyone who ever worked for red hat.
mircea_popescu: for instance.
asciilifeform: how much from rathead is even getting merged in kernel ?
mircea_popescu: not exactly the point. poltics is not about what you do.
decimation: redhat does quite a bit of backporting
mircea_popescu: there must attach penalties to belonging in the progressive camp.
decimation: they also have some kernel devs on the payroll
mircea_popescu: the simple knowledge that you will NEVER be a linux developer, ever, is a good start.
mircea_popescu: i can then move to give linux more weight, and so on.
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTrCZc )
asciilifeform: i suspect that linus does, in fact, understand that he 'can also have problems.'
mircea_popescu: not a criterion.
mircea_popescu: stalin could also have problems.
mircea_popescu: up until he couldn't anymore, at which point all sorts of other idiots had a whole troughful of problems.
assbot: Paid developers power the Linux kernel - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTrJDY )
mircea_popescu: now that's politics.
asciilifeform: decimation: would be interesting to see who contributes something other than drivers for own hardware.
mircea_popescu: red hat makes hardware ?!
decimation: good point, they don't break that out
asciilifeform: not redhat, but, say, renesas and analog devices
decimation: redhat does not make hardware, but they provide guarantees for certain baselines
asciilifeform: amd, freescale, fujitsu, etc.
mircea_popescu: point remains : once there's a penalty to being a progressive, things can be turned into some sort of shape.
decimation: So you can be Redhat Certified (c)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this almost certainly requires a dead usg, or at the very least one which is in no condition to sinecure progressives.
mircea_popescu: does not.
mircea_popescu: sinecure does not work.
asciilifeform: as it stands, the progressives want for nothing.
mircea_popescu: consider that the protestants choked the catholics, with a very lively french government that sinecured them to heaven.
mircea_popescu: sinecure is counterproductive if anything.
asciilifeform: their opponents, if too vocal and not independently wealthy - face starvation.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly their problem, that they want for nothing.
mircea_popescu: nothing easier to rape.
mircea_popescu: let the sinecure become a central point of the progressive - sane person debate.
mircea_popescu: that's already defeat, for them.
asciilifeform: is it not already the case ?
mircea_popescu: not amply enough.
decimation: the trouble is that nearly everyone in the us is one some dole or another
mircea_popescu: there's dire need for more politically minded people to make it a point.
mircea_popescu: decimation for as long as that lasts.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> stalin could also have problems. << Well Tito is a serious amount of problem to have.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meant more in his odessa bank robbery days.
decimation: well, if 'making it not last' is the political strategy, then I suggest "stand back and watch them fail"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but... never escaped his problem having potential
mircea_popescu: preferably from a distance.
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decimation: after 1789, it was hoped that the new constitution would be well supported by 'moderates'
decimation: but it turned out that nobody who mattered was actually a moderate (in France)
mircea_popescu: no, it turned out the girondins were butchered first.
mircea_popescu: but that they mattered is preserved at least in the fact that their woman killed the journo.
mircea_popescu: had they had the sense to being moderate while out of france, and had they the internet & other means to do this... diff story.
decimation: it seems that some kind of similar thing is happening in us politics
mircea_popescu: if it is i dun see it
asciilifeform very much not seeing it
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mircea_popescu: all i see is progressing courtly fashions.
mircea_popescu: now everyone's wearing bras and marring their cat.
decimation: that's because the right and left have politically stalemated
decimation: there's no policy that can change because there's no moderate party to support it
mircea_popescu: well... no. it's because everyone lives off crown benefits, and so no substantial differences to be had.
mircea_popescu: everyone agrees they need more money.
decimation: but that's usg policy since at least before wwii
mircea_popescu: country's not had a budget in what, like a decade ?
mircea_popescu: not a balanced budget mind you. just, you know, one at all.
decimation: since 2007 apparently
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decimation: although actually no, the last real budget in a bill was passed in 1997 http://prospect.org/article/does-congress-even-need-pass-budget
assbot: Does Congress Even Need to Pass a Budget? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az7BVx )
mircea_popescu: closer to two decades by now.
decimation: there's a complex dance between what congress 'authorizes' and 'appropriates'
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point where inflation's being dressed up as necessary. well... it is. should interest rates move to a very liberal 5% the us is unable to finance even its interest alone.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the 7-8%
decimation: with the sudden oil price collapse, all Smart People are now seriously worried about deflation
assbot: Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az8Kwf )
decimation: "Anyway let’s try to go back to first principles a little here. Read through the glowing, er, defense of inflation and it boils down to the same basic story: ‘oh noes wages are sticky’."
danielpbarron: http://lgbtweekly.com/2015/01/17/trans-student-allegedly-told-by-sdsu-staff-to-get-out-of-mens-locker-room/ Furuya used the men’s locker room shower, and allegedly was told by another gym patron to “Get your titties and go across to the other locker room. That’s where the women are. And, if you don’t go, I’ll remove you myself.”
assbot: Trans student allegedly told by SDSU staff to get out of men's locker room | LGBT Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTzOsj )
decimation: "why don't you guys love trannys you guys?"
asciilifeform: wai wat
decimation: lol from article: "but really when it comes to actually creating resources that support and protect transgender and other marginalized students, they have really dragged their feet and have taken a really long time…and in the meantime students’ lives are at risk.”
decimation: so, some guy telling a confused chick to leave the locker room is the same as murdering?
danielpbarron: someone pasted that link in an irc channel for "reddit christians" from which i was eventually kicked for disputing their claim that The Bible is pro-lgbt
decimation: what was the basis of their argument?
kakobrekla: that they are faggots?
mircea_popescu: lmao wait. bible pro-lgbt ?
danielpbarron: not breaking from reddit form, they didn't really have much of a basis
mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, as a male that usually uses the women's restroom, im pro tolerance.
danielpbarron: beyond, "stop being mean"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wat
mircea_popescu: " When inflation dips too low, it transfers wealth from those who owe money — companies and mortgage payers — to those who hold bonds."
mircea_popescu: so wait. the thing that steals sometimes a lot and sometimes a little is the nerw normal. and so when it only steals a little it... TRANSFERS money from the thief to the victim ?
mircea_popescu: lovely metaworld.
asciilifeform: 'chocolate rations have been increased from eighty grams to fifty.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i used the girl's locker room in highschool, and i hung out with the chicks in their yoga class too.
mircea_popescu: why would i want to see a bunch of schlongs ?!
decimation: there's a fine argument there
asciilifeform takes off hat
mircea_popescu: besides, i don't like urinals and women's usually cleaner.
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mircea_popescu: plus, if you're going to fuck a girl, it's usually better to do her in women's.
decimation: most urinals are designed to maximize spashback
mircea_popescu: now, i wouldn't be in favour of this as a general thing,
mircea_popescu: but as a mark of privilege it works fine.
asciilifeform: as a general thing, as often is, the whole point would disappear.
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decimation: re: inflation < of course the thief is going explain the benefits of thieving
decimation: 'makes for a easier wallet to carry'
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mats: an exercise in kekonomics
decimation: lol let the beatings commence
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point , and that point is : the expectations of us citizens, and their self valuations, are wildly divergent from reality.
mircea_popescu: they will have to be brought back on their knees somehow
asciilifeform: wait, they expect something ?
mircea_popescu: and no government yet has had the audacity to go to a group of self impressed idiots and tell them the sort of thing i say
mircea_popescu: "shut the fuck up, get on your knees and suck more cock"
mircea_popescu: consequently, inflation is necessary and unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: it's roughly the "put pitbull in doorframe and slam door on him" educational tactic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. for instance : they expect to not have to find someone to be the sex slave of.
mircea_popescu: further : they expect to warm their abode artificially.
mircea_popescu: further still : they expect to not have to do hard physical labour.
mircea_popescu: and on it goes.
mircea_popescu: none of these are warranted. not really.
asciilifeform: even expect not to ferment as biodiesel, if you believe.
mircea_popescu: that one i can see.
asciilifeform does expect, however
mircea_popescu: human biodiesel is actually uneconomical.
mircea_popescu: do the math, of what's the cost per calorie to fatten a woman
asciilifeform: very economical in the broad sense (sealed mine)
mircea_popescu: then see what you could get, per calorie, as biodiesel.
asciilifeform: but you, the farmer, did not fatten her
asciilifeform: she fattened 'free range.'
mircea_popescu: so then i stole her ?
asciilifeform: hunted.
mircea_popescu: mno. economics is a science of closed systems.
asciilifeform: what are mineral resources then.
mircea_popescu: this is why i am not in principle opposed to ecology.
decimation: I thought the point of the biodiesiel was to encourage the others
mircea_popescu: just to the idiotic parts thereof.
asciilifeform: pretty much the whole shebang runs on exquisitely non-renewable stuff
mircea_popescu: decimation then it's necessarily fractionary.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a good objection. which is why i'm not fixated on ecology.
asciilifeform: nobody but chromosomally damaged midwestern usians imagines that closed cycle biodiesel is +ev. but it remains that something will have to be done with the... biomass.
decimation: fractionary << yes, ferment one, educate 1000 (at the fuel pump!)
mircea_popescu: decimation but then you'ver just shown why they'd rightfully not expect to be biodisel'd. 1 in 1000 shot.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, as an one off thing.
asciilifeform: although there are interesting 'demo' cases. i once saw a set of photographs of a 'work of art' - a small coffee table, with a bioreactor. a lure of some electronic kind (acoustic?) led mice up a hollow leg and into the reactor. there, they would ferment, and charge a battery that would run the next iteration of the mouse-lift-zap-ferment cycle.
asciilifeform: it was, in fact, a basic toy chumpatron. the inspiration for my article re: same.
mircea_popescu: yes but simply making solar panels the same size or price would yield more.
asciilifeform: naturally
mircea_popescu: nature does these contortions, because nature's a whore.
asciilifeform: but does not beautify living room
asciilifeform: nor eliminate mice.
mircea_popescu: human artfulness however...
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