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asciilifeform: http://bit.ly/1xQEdwr << for the lazy, the scene described earlier
assbot: Иди и смотри 2 серия - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxw85c )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00065213 = 14.3469 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: hey mircea_popescu what's the going rate for a box of tampons in bsas? the "tampon shortage" is making the rounds on jezebe
ben_vulpes: jezebel*
cazalla: ben_vulpes: also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model? <<< done
ben_vulpes: speedy delivery eh
assbot: bitcoin/serialize.h at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD61nT )
assbot: bitcoin/transaction.h at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD603e )
ben_vulpes: berp nm
asciilifeform: what is notable re: this particular bit of cpp cruft?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol i dunno, 5 bux ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot hey, what's tampons cost ? inquiring male minds wish to know
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah turns out some source mindlessly subbed "dollars" for "pesos"
asciilifeform: the unit cost of menstruettes is roughly same as cigarettes (afaik)
mircea_popescu: so what, ended up with 70 dollar tampons ?
ben_vulpes: in the game of retarded telephone that is the us link reposting scam masquerading as 'nooz'
artifexd: mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on "a pgp-signed document by the for key certifying the validity of the IPs public key with an expiration unixtimev in case the for field differs and a nickname"?
asciilifeform: 70 dollar tampon << pure win
mircea_popescu: artifexd i can. what specifically ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00064082 = 6.5043 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: I don't understand what you mean
artifexd: All the words make sense but when you put them in that order...
asciilifeform: artifexd: may help to read a certain thread:
asciilifeform: !s ephemeral key
assbot: 13 results for 'ephemeral key' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ephemeral+key
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: consider it an otherwise unremarkable arrowhead from the dig
mircea_popescu: let A connect to B. let A pass a message to B in the format "A for X, sup". B must find in the hello message through which A connected to it a document where X signs A's privkey,
ben_vulpes: me i'm just fascinated that the savages can bang such arms together with basalt and obsidian
asciilifeform: artifexd: generally, one ought not to connect one's wot private key to an automated, net-live apparatus. hence you sign another key with it, and use that.
mircea_popescu: that document must include a unixtime indicating expiry.
artifexd: What is the format of said document?
mircea_popescu: your problme.
asciilifeform: artifexd: the signature itself will almost certainly start life as a gpg output.
ben_vulpes: artifexd: formal grammar!
ben_vulpes: ignore me
mircea_popescu: formally or merely, ben_vulpes ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is volunteering to write a backus-naur grammar ?
ben_vulpes: 'twas an exhortation to make a bnf
artifexd: I am currently using pointers to exported key files instead of trying to shoehorn keys into config files.
mircea_popescu: baccus moar like it, amirite.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu knows my format :P
mircea_popescu: artifexd pointers, what kind ?
artifexd: filename
mircea_popescu: seems you're shoehorning the filesystem into it instead ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no sir my hands are full with cpp backports
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00063831 = 13.5003 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: o look, somebody ddosed qntra earlier ?
BingoBoingo: How'd they do it this time?
mats: fun fact: the python stdlib had an enigma implementation til 2.4
asciilifeform: goes great with 'telefunken' modem and other artifacts from alternate nazi universe
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno, but it's a bw depletion rather than the prev ram/cpu/state depletion. doesn't seem to have done anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ynot van W inciudentally ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe just a compulsive reloader? Perhaps some derp was serving one of our pages in their iframe?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo unlikely, it peaked around 2gpbs or so
asciilifeform: van w ?
mircea_popescu: whatever algol did. waasomething.
mircea_popescu: van Wijngaarden, google informs us.
asciilifeform: nah everybody knows nazi internet runs on konrad zuse's gizmo.
mircea_popescu: i always liked the "fuck you, they're strings, and concatenation is the only operation" approach.
mircea_popescu: so did knuth iirc.
asciilifeform: see also SNOBOL.
asciilifeform: (which i will always imagine as a 'snob cobol' no matter how many times told that 'snowball')
artifexd: mircea_popescu: A << in the logs caused http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111384 to get half eaten, so I reposted it without that line. Hence the double post.
assbot: [Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD9IKd )
mircea_popescu: well... it
mircea_popescu: 's pearlier than perl...
mircea_popescu: artifexd waitwut?
mircea_popescu: ends in "mircea_popescu: sure". that seems right neh ?
mircea_popescu: oh nm i see what you mean
artifexd: Tip to future copy/pasters: Don't include << in the text or everything after it will get routed to /dev/null
mircea_popescu: yeah html hates < separators. but for some reason they seem the best way to convey the intent here
mircea_popescu: this , incidentally, is why computer standards are such a royal bitch.
mircea_popescu: "don't use <" "why not!" "fuck you!" "NO U!"
asciilifeform: in-band signalling is inevitably lame.
asciilifeform: recall jurov's turdatron.
mircea_popescu: and multi band maintenance is inevitably a hassle.
asciilifeform: not necessarily. a binary signed with pgp is example of out-of-band.
mircea_popescu: and not a hassle ?
mircea_popescu: "not for me" "fuck you!" "NO U!"
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
mircea_popescu: ;;google nudism is the natural state
gribble: Naturism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism>; Natural state Synonyms, Natural state Antonyms | Thesaurus.com: <http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/natural+state>; Nudity - RationalWiki: <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nudity>
mircea_popescu: o shit, rationalwiki is on it ?!
mircea_popescu: hide the clitoral hoods, abscond the mounds, science is on the field!
asciilifeform: the yudkowsky cult is like 'borg' from 'star trek', digest and regurgitate everything. eventually they will annotate #b-a and claim that all of the interesting ideas belong to selves
asciilifeform: no one will notice except for thiel, who will sign another cheque
asciilifeform: which mr. y will spend on six concubines fresh in their crates.
mircea_popescu: by the way : pretty much every kitchen shop here has, along the pots and pans, kitchen aprons.
mircea_popescu: and inevitably one must represent a naked hot woman.
mircea_popescu: they';re so common i'm persuaded a good fraction of local women actually go about the house in those things.
asciilifeform: 'talmudic' cheat, naked without naked
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/fake%20nudists.jpg << check it out, the little girl has a vulva even!
artifexd: One more question: Any objection to adding a timestamp to the trust ratings in gossipd?
mircea_popescu: See also "Cunt Fatwa Hypnotic breast enlargement"
mircea_popescu: dude... this rational wiki thing is comedic!
assbot: Chef Patrick O'Connell Questions Washingtonian's Ethics for Demoting the Inn at Little Washington | In the Magazine | Washingtonian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADbL10 )
mircea_popescu: “All of us at The Inn at Little Washington have much to be grateful for as we enter the new year. The Inn remains the longest-tenured Forbes Five Star and AAA Five Diamond restaurant in America. We possess the highest Zagat rating (29, 29, 29) in the world. Once again, The Inn has received The Washington Post’s highest 4-star rating from restaurant reviewer Tom Sietsema. Most of us understand that, in today’s wor
mircea_popescu: ld, as print media struggles for survival, creating controversy sells magazines whether it’s ethical or not.”
mircea_popescu: "we're bigger than you, stfu"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00062973 = 21.5997 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: what was the matter, somebody spread rumour that their shitter wasn't chemically-pure gold but engineering-grade ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, something about oversalted leberwurst.
asciilifeform: highest 4-star rating from restaurant reviewer << are there whorehouse reviewers? if not, why not ?
mircea_popescu: there are, yes.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno, something about oversalted leberwurst. << Also the shift from a menu one can get full eating to some sort of "trendy" tasting menu based on appetizers.
mircea_popescu: yeah you're probably right.
BingoBoingo: Reviewer wants to get full on their per diem
mircea_popescu: anyone saw "le grand restaurant" ? de funes, he orders... a radish.
BingoBoingo: Restaurant wants to milk every seat for max profit.
asciilifeform vaguely recalls an article, last year, re: a u.s. restaurant for moneyed fools that served lion, tiger, etc. - which went under supposedly on account of a review site claiming it was open on weekends when in fact not
mircea_popescu: who'dwant to eat cat ?!
asciilifeform: a) chinese b) idiots c) who even knows what species they actually cooked
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone saw i vitelloni ?
mircea_popescu: great fellini film, esp for closing scene.
asciilifeform has wondered why carnivorous sea life is perfectly edible, while land animals, not so much
mircea_popescu: what's your definition of carnivorous sea life /
asciilifeform: fish eating fish
mircea_popescu: afaik no sea creature eats venison
asciilifeform: the standard hypothesis for 'why carnivores aren't good for the table' is bioaccumulation
mircea_popescu: of plant poison
asciilifeform: which is just as much of a fact in the sea as on land
mircea_popescu: (really, all plants are pretty much poison standing)
mircea_popescu: no, it's not, because not same poisons.,
asciilifeform: sea plant life less poisonous? that would do it
mircea_popescu: not less. more, but differently.
asciilifeform recalls pathologically extreme case of this, 'shellfish toxin'
mircea_popescu: bioaccumulation (heavy metals, etc) is much more a concern for fish eating than otherwise.
mircea_popescu: however, the meat doesn't TASTE bad.
mircea_popescu: taste being, of course, an evolutionary mechanism.
asciilifeform: lead, famously, supposedly tastes great.
mircea_popescu: HF is sickly sweet too.
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2014 02:36:18; asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.'
mircea_popescu: it's not THAT bad is it ?
asciilifeform: pediwik claims 'sickly sweet smell'
asciilifeform: wonder if 'sweet' is the default for own-meat-dissolving taste.
mircea_popescu: hm, it is often reported... seems poisons are either bitter or sweet. rarely you hear "salty"
asciilifeform: 'best' poison - colourless, tasteless
asciilifeform: (has anyone, incidentally, described the taste of Po-84 ?)
BingoBoingo: sweet is probably common in poisons because of the large class of poisons that are almost biologically useful...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo might also be because of particular interference with gustative nerve arrangmenets - many are neurotoxins
BingoBoingo: Of course, and many of those are almost sugars.
mircea_popescu: diboron's almost ethanol huh :D
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Also there any number of poisonous alcohols more similar to various sugars than ethanol.
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mircea_popescu: "MP is such a pompous prick. I hope he chokes on his pansy lemonade flavored pop sickle stick."
mircea_popescu: isn't it fascinating how deeply i bothar these ppls ?
gabriel_laddel: I've shown several people in Silly Con valley the rabits article. Fear flashes through their eyes and they hand the laptop back without reading it all the way through.
gabriel_laddel: I think, all of the sudden they understand on some level that this era of prosperous morons is coming to a close.
mircea_popescu: lol interesting.
mircea_popescu: i guess at some point it'll come to pass that someone makes a tumblr, TFWT.
mircea_popescu: Their Face When Trilema
mircea_popescu: same principle, give laptop over but wiht camera on.
gabriel_laddel: lol. twould be more entertaining than all of the bezzle 'media' output circa 2014
mircea_popescu: i guess it'd depend for whom
mircea_popescu: but i suspect it'd amuse me
undata: hehehe TFWT
undata: due to the random article upon loading the homepage I am careful where I pull up trilema
undata: could be tits
BingoBoingo: Or Buttcoin, or fried chicken
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel wait, wasn't the rabbit article in romanian ? what're they to read ?!
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: this is how I know they've not read it. I tell them it is Romanian and pull up google translate in another tab, show them the keybinding to switch tabs.
gabriel_laddel: E.G., one fellow sees pictures - hands back.
gabriel_laddel: some of the luzly ones read... re-read... re-read and eventually ask "Does he hate women or...?" (Not rabbits article)
gabriel_laddel: people fucking flip over slaves licking up their own vomit.
BingoBoingo: How else did Rome handle the vomit problem?
gabriel_laddel: Har, remembering: Girl tells me she wants to crowdfund art. I link to trilema.com/what-is-art? She never responds.
gabriel_laddel: Etherum guy tells me that he wants a "Holarchy" instead of an explicit hierarchy cause trilema articles are scary.
gabriel_laddel: Me kicked out of place I'm staying - being called "the next hitler"
gabriel_laddel: Me: "so what do you think of MPEX"? He: "What they do is illegal!! You can't take money from investors in the united states without explicit approval of USG!"
gabriel_laddel: "but bitcoin isn't money yet?"
BingoBoingo: Money isn't Bitcoin Yet
mircea_popescu is starting to understand why people pay for credit
mircea_popescu: btw, the vomit thing actually happened. girl had to eat catfood, out of bowl, no hands. long hair, one hair ended up in there, she had to eat it, it made her puke, she had to eat that, which she did. one strange half hour.
BingoBoingo: I honestly don't know what can scare Obama more than that.
mircea_popescu: why obama specfically ?
mircea_popescu: and what's holarchy lol
BingoBoingo: That dedication to task which he can't get from his acolytpes
mircea_popescu: ah. there's a fine reason to prefer women. if well trained... hard to match.
gabriel_laddel: does anyone have recommendations for books on Russia's "roaring nineties"?
assbot: Teixobactin: A New Antibiotic From a New Platform?. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8q093 )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wow.
BingoBoingo: Who woulda thunk there's be worthwhile shit in stuff that doesn't culture as cheaply as possible?
mircea_popescu: as the guy aptly points out, it's never been a better time to be a biochemist.
mircea_popescu: i am telling you, wetware before any hard physics breakthrough.
BingoBoingo: I mean the past century has mostly been about refining tools while methods for using tools atrophied. A lot of potential in just... pointing those tools somethere else in an informed way instead of doing the microscope hammer thing.
mircea_popescu: As an aside, if you're outside the field, you might wonder why it's worth working so hard to find natural products when we have so many synthetic organic chemists in the world cranking out new compounds. One big reason is the ridiculous, insane hugeness of chemical space: the number of possible compounds at or under the molecular weight of teixobactin defies description, and I mean that in a completely literal sense. T
mircea_popescu: here are not enough resources on Earth, or in our entire solar system, to do enough organic synthesis to make any noticeable dent in that array. The idea of having compounds that bind to things like Lipid II is a good one, but they're going to have to be large compounds, and exploring that space is daunting.
BingoBoingo: It's basically like good number space for Keys.
BingoBoingo: And why the distributed protein folding stuff is mostly a noisemaking lottery machine.
mircea_popescu: looks like what, 1.2k - 1.3k molar mass ?
mircea_popescu: say about 1k carbons, each with 4 valences.
mircea_popescu: wait srsly ?!
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha! god i win so much.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Lighter than Vancomycin's 1449 as a further illustration of the sheer size of the space.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 4 ** 1000
gribble: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: very quick and dirty "all carbons" evaluation, but still, as a general hint
BingoBoingo: Right. Teixobactin prolly isn't going to get used much orally aside from GI tract stuff like c Diff... If it targets c Diff at all.
mircea_popescu: i think the main point is, you won't be able to take a shit in the forest without hitting one of these chips soon enough
thestringpuller: holy shit comatose is me
BingoBoingo: Also hard to say when those chips are comming to toilets.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo apparently c diff is particularly vuln
BingoBoingo: Ah, didn't see that part.
mircea_popescu: b anthracis also.
mircea_popescu: check it out, anti-antrhax gel!
BingoBoingo: Hopefully it holds together well in DMSO
mircea_popescu: also tb and yes, mrsa.
mircea_popescu: and pneumonia. they found gold, what.
BingoBoingo: Pretty much just hooked one of those asteroids full of gold and smashed kansas with it.
BingoBoingo: And yet farmed morel mushrooms are a pipe dream
ben_vulpes: does anyone know what precisely the "private key" dumped by bitcoin is? is that the secret that can be used with EC_KEY_regenerate_key to regenerate a key?
mircea_popescu: apparently very quick clearance tho
thestringpuller: It's 0 C outside right now, but 28 c in b-a
thestringpuller: i kinda hate you right now MP
assbot: CKey::SetSecret BIGNUM leak · Issue #650 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKf8zf )
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i tell you, air conditioning blowing on one's ballsac post coitally is one of those refined pleasures of civilisation
mircea_popescu: like hot baths.
ben_vulpes: saw it, was too tired to even muster a chuckle
mircea_popescu: but otherwise yes, it should be the priv key.
mircea_popescu: you work it to get the pubkey and then the address.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ecdsa-in-python.24166/ also instructive, fro mthe days before btctalk became tardstalk.
assbot: ECDSA in python | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKfB4G )
ben_vulpes: is there a distinction between "the priv key" vs the "secret" used to regenerate a key?
assbot: bitcoin/key.h at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKfMwO )
mircea_popescu: he has it
assbot: bitcoin/key.h at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKg1b7 )
ben_vulpes: *sigh*
ben_vulpes: how did i not see this until now
punkman: this c++ is hard to read
punkman: anyone looked into that cbitcoin thing? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2014#497342
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2014 01:35:50; jurov: prolly i confused it with this: https://github.com/MatthewLM/cbitcoin/
thestringpuller: punkman: that's Boost C++ for you. Dunno why Satoshi used it...
punkman: oh even has a website http://cbitcoin.com/
assbot: An Open-Source Bitcoin Library in C ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKgIBc )
thestringpuller: it is much easier to read
mircea_popescu: punkman ancient bitcoin-in-c thing i thought was abandoned cca 2012 ?
assbot: The Pen Is Mightier Than the Sword, But This Ativan Tho | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKbJH6 )
punkman: mircea_popescu: seems recently updated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00061546 = 17.1713 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: from what i recasll the guy was strugling with memory leaks and other such joyspots.
mircea_popescu: wasn't at any point ready, looking for help.
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
assbot: The Cool Kids love Erlang - Gustav Simonsson, Henning Diedrich - Berlin Erlang Factory Lite on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKhG0x )
Vexual: really?
Vexual: who?\
ben_vulpes: couldn't be, it's only three weeks old
ben_vulpes: and Vexual found it
assbot: 'OpenNTPD 5.7p1 Released' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKf5d6 )
Vexual: yeah boii
Vexual: also on oil...
Vexual: ssay you're an opec produced making bank
BingoBoingo: This Cook fellow finding OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to linux in a decade.
Vexual: your secondary business is the world economy, and theres no exceptions
Vexual: sure as shit cheap oil aint about making exactly 11 texases fit into australia, so whats left over?
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11807 @ 0.00060584 = 7.1532 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919414.msg10104284#msg10104284 180 coins.. gone, kept his blockchain.info passwords etc in gmail by looks of it
assbot: 180 Coins Stolen From my wallet 1GpUcrJ1Zo6ZJWgw7HQT7nADijY5a3dcCh ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcoD1C )
Vexual: same old shit caz
Vexual: he prolly used his email password on the latest scam fucker website
cazalla: yeah but think of all the machines they trojan only to find like 0.1 btc
cazalla: what a pay day for this guy
Vexual: as rime goes by, stealing bitcoin will feel like a really bad idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00061247 = 14.6074 BTC [+]
Vexual: you really dont know what judiciary you might be dealing with
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8856 @ 0.00061247 = 5.424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00059909 = 5.5715 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19493 @ 0.00063577 = 12.3931 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12207 @ 0.0006423 = 7.8406 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8856 @ 0.00064668 = 5.727 BTC [+]
assbot: Travis Goodspeed's Blog: Hillbilly Tracking of Low Earth Orbit Satellites ... ( http://bit.ly/14jvV4o )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.0006509 = 9.1777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15337 @ 0.00064668 = 9.9181 BTC [-]
assbot: DEF CON 22 - Shahar Tal - I Hunt TR-069 Admins: Pwning ISPs Like a Boss - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKVKsg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00062671 = 6.2044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00061925 = 6.0687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19596 @ 0.00062162 = 12.1813 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Andreas Antonopoulos is shoadow-banned! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/14J9GFx )
BigBitz: He's an idiot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5787 @ 0.0006127 = 3.5457 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2528 @ 0.0008899 = 2.2497 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: what is a shadowban?
assbot: Anduck +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mats: comments are visible to just the poster
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00060485 = 14.5164 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25683 @ 0.00064222 = 16.4941 BTC [+]
assbot: New Antibiotic from Soil Bacteria | The Scientist Magazine® ... ( http://bit.ly/1B4sUly )
decimation: “The bacteriology community needs to get away from culturing bacteria on agar plates, because this will not lead to new antibiotics.”
decimation: it seems to me biology has regressed while becoming infatuated with computing
assbot: Analysis: Bitstamp Hacker Almost Stole Additional $1.75 Million ... ( http://bit.ly/14kfGEa )
kakobrekla: i missed that
decimation: asciilifeform: re: jaron lanier << his "open source is stealing the future" idea seems rather silly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3129 @ 0.00064967 = 2.0328 BTC [+]
BigBitz: did Bitstamp confirm the attack vector?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00064967 = 11.1743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6717 @ 0.00063549 = 4.2686 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: romanz/amodem · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17x6dvu )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00060123 = 20.9529 BTC [-] {2}
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mircea_popescu: cazalla that thread's a fine example of why bitcoin "needs to be more accessible". so that more people who have no business running a computer can tell their friends about how bad bitcoin is.
mircea_popescu: "Imagine if we poured 1.7 trillion dollars a year into ending aging instead of satiating Tea Party fucks need to bomb brown people?" and stuff.
mircea_popescu: pretty good.
assbot: Travis Goodspeed's Blog: Hillbilly Tracking of Low Earth Orbit Satellites ... ( http://bit.ly/17x9aMz )
decimation: that amodem project is interesting
punkman: decimation, there's also an electrum plugin for it
decimation: in theory it could be used on shortwave, if you had the hardware for it
decimation: 32 kHz seems excessively wide though
punkman: probably need to go lower if not using cable
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: what is a shadowban? << graham came up with this brilliant "let's ban users but not tell them" on the theory that users are idiots and won't notice anyway.
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, this never worked before reddit, but it works splendidly there.
assbot: kamalmostafa/minimodem · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17x9Zou )
mircea_popescu: probably has to do with how, to quote altman, "It’s interesting to note that during my very brief tenure, reddit added more users than Hacker News has in total."
fluffypony: it's so that the spammers don't realise they're banned
mircea_popescu: because nobody has a watcher ip ?
decimation: minimodem is a much more robust waveform, but would transfer more slowly
decimation: it ought to work over crap audio channels though
mircea_popescu: decimation i don't like it, because : as a way to transfer data between the two computers where there's a cable, it's stupid. even serial protocol is better, but we have tcp etc. as an airgapped solution is stupid, because sound.
mircea_popescu: the correct airgap solution is optics.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i imagine it's just some "play around with computor" thing, not seriously proposed as a solution to anything
decimation: agreed.
decimation: although I would point out that you could use this without cables, but through an air interface
kakobrekla: qr guns are too limited.
mircea_popescu: sound is too easy to overhear.
kakobrekla not for sound.
mircea_popescu: qr guns easier to shield ; you can use an optoelement w/e it's called, if you wish.
decimation: the 'adult' solution is a one-way fiber link
mircea_popescu: hack them out of optic mice or w/e.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, /me is still reeling over a shocking ad hoc test where he discovered that a widespread inability to distinguish internet and web does not apparent;y prevent young'uns from commenting on...
mircea_popescu: well it's not clear what, "either" is improper. "commenting on nothing while misrepresenting themselves as talking about one or the other."
kakobrekla has a serial cable with a buffer with visual confirmation of the data and it does not need to be plugged to both computers at same time
decimation: mircea_popescu: what was your 'ad hoc test'?
mircea_popescu: i call it the moruzov discovery. check it out yourself, see what % of authors using both terms in the same text display an awareness of their meaning.
mircea_popescu: decimation asked a buncha "hackers"
mircea_popescu: pop quiz lol.
decimation: are we chatting on the web now?
mircea_popescu: such q's, right.
decimation: kakobrekla: yeah, serial works too, and one can clip out the return path if desired
decimation: plus lots of cheap gear exists to inspect serial connections
mircea_popescu: "would the web go away if there were no links between websites ?" "no because they'd still be on the internet" prolly the best one.
mircea_popescu: words are apparently brands, which is to say names. they don't need to mean anything anymore than popescu needs to mean something. (which it does, but who cares)
kakobrekla: decimation i have put a mcu + lcd screen + sd card mid cable. and some buttons. probably doesnt need an explanation.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but if you could be bothered to make a blogpost like the guy's with the dish...
kakobrekla: yeah too bad i dont have a blog.
decimation: there's a guy who is much more advanced in messing around with satellites: http://usa-satcom.com/
assbot: USA-Satcom | Monitoring worldwide communications on HF through Microwaves… ... ( http://bit.ly/17xcN5g )
decimation: he wrote his own software to decode Imarsat streams
mircea_popescu: is that legal ?
decimation: more or less. in the us, it is generally safe to listen to anything that isn't encrypted
decimation: even if you decrypt it, it might not be illegal as long as you don't disclose it
mircea_popescu: i recall that's how it was for a while
mircea_popescu: imagined it prolly changed.
mircea_popescu: (used to be it was legal even if encrypted, if you disclose to the media)
assbot: Interception and Divulgence of Radio Communications | FCC.gov ... ( http://bit.ly/17xdgnK )
mircea_popescu: decimation so i can't find a stealing the future reference re one jaron lanier. any link or anything ?
decimation: yeah I think it was from a podcast. let me dig
assbot: Jaron Lanier: We’re Being Enslaved by Free Information - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/17xdQlC )
mircea_popescu: lol divulgence, like indulgence. regular english flexion! who knew!
mircea_popescu: "Jaron Lanier is one of the world’s great polymaths. He’s a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and the author of a new book, Who Owns the Future?, published last month "
mircea_popescu: perhaps they dunno what polymath means ?
mircea_popescu: decimation ok this discussion is too retarded to read, i threw up a bunch of warnings but a critical error at "So in terms of networks, what happens is, if you have people all competing for their place to be sorted by a single central hub, then you get a power law."
decimation: lol yeah
mircea_popescu: this is exactly incorrect. power laws only result when the group is decentralizedly sorting the group. only then.
mircea_popescu: which is why the internet is when we firs saw them.
mircea_popescu: regardless of this, i do agree with the original statement that the particular way in which intellectual property is handled today makes the world richer rather than poorer.
decimation: his basic point is: if we have free wikipedias, who is going to pay people like me to 'be creative'?
mircea_popescu: specifically because by buying and selling stuff like watsapp or instagram or whatever as if they were representative of something they're merely SYMBOLIC of (their user's aggregated intellectual work) we're in essence going about carring handles of suitcases
mircea_popescu: and stories of how great our various wardrobes are
mircea_popescu: all nude.
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not as bad an argument as it seems.
decimation: yeah, it kinda connects with your rms discussion over the last days
mircea_popescu: it's not necessarily or striclty a matter of "pay" as in, the obvious direct "gimme 20 bux i need for mcdonalds".
decimation: by they way there's a typo in your RMS article: there is an "RSM"
mircea_popescu: payment and generally managing capital flux is first and foremost a matter of direction.
mircea_popescu: suppose nobody bothers to manage (ie, even TELL kids when they're saying something smart or stupid) because everyone that could be that is too busy attenting the teacher's unions meetings where they discuss which class is more valuable.
mircea_popescu: well... no class will be fucking valuable like that!
mircea_popescu: why is reddit so fucking stupid ? "because it has stupid people in it" no. not because of that, stupid people are universally present and as inert as dirt.
mircea_popescu: it's because the smart people that should be scoring them left their spots in the local hierarchy, because "better things to do" and now a retard like altman is left herding them around, as best he can.
mircea_popescu: it's as if every teacher in the hs left to go attend pravda readings, and the children are now stuck with the cleanning ladies.
mircea_popescu: how is this not making everyone poorer ?
mircea_popescu: decimation fixed typo ty
mircea_popescu: " i do agree with the original statement that the particular way in which intellectual property is handled today makes the world richer rather than poorer." << meant it exactly backwards. poorer rather than richer.
decimation: so in summary, wikipedia is the result of a bunch of smart people without direction?
mircea_popescu: no. it's the result of a bunch of stupid people without any sort of feedback or signal.
mircea_popescu: "everyone can edit it", because "nobody is here to manage it" sounds great only on the surface. but in essence, what it means is that "nobody intelligent agrees this is worth doing"
decimation: actually, they only get 'positive' feedback in the sense that they have now edited X+1 articles
mircea_popescu: so they have to backport hierarchy into it under the cover of darkness, so to speak
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mircea_popescu: decimation but that's not feedback. how is it feedback ?
mircea_popescu: then they have the problem that "google has so much money, we don't!" well... of course ?
mircea_popescu: YOUR DECISIONS OF HOW TO ORGANISE MADE YOU POORER!
mircea_popescu: "well if you all made the same decision you'll be poor too and there wouldn't be a difference to make us sad"
mircea_popescu: "sure. fuck you."
decimation: what do you call feedback if it is disconnected from the circuit?
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the wikipedia-side of the web2.0 utopia (and it has nothingm to do with o'reilly.)
mircea_popescu: decimation quite.
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mircea_popescu: having someone to say "hey, this is great" "omfg that's fucking stupid" is the very essence of economy. you can disagree with them, or pick a different one, or create special methods for their working or measuring or announcing or whatever, it's endless. but if you remove it altogether, creating essentially a flat surface instead of a 3d shape, you WILL be poorer.
mircea_popescu: unavoidable. you literally chose to be poor, that's strictly it.
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, the first step towards not being quite so poor is "giving people control of the fruits of their own work", aka not taxing them 100% (what is social media but an experimental regime of 100% tax ?)
mircea_popescu: once that happens, people naturally start to control the work, and hierarchy forms, and value springs from it, and prosperity is everywhere.
decimation: there is some 'backdoor' literature that demonstrates this point in the us
mircea_popescu: but an imaginary "social media platform" where value is UGS but all work is somehow, magically owned by the name, which is being bought and sold as *the thing it stands for*... well ?
mircea_popescu: the only possible way that goes is myspace.
mircea_popescu: people of course like to pretend mysapce is a circumstance rather than a fundamental.
assbot: Bowling Alone ... ( http://bit.ly/17xhfRu )
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this "thing as its name" approach is very much empowered by legal abstractions such the corporation,
mircea_popescu: however, the mechanisms that ensured value actually moves with the name there aren't present here.
mircea_popescu: suitcase handles, i tell you.
assbot: America isn’t polarized about politics but responsibility ... ( http://bit.ly/1tX8GE1 )
decimation: "So that’s my working hypothesis: it’s not merely that politics is an epiphenomenon and that deeper personal qualities account for what we call political polarization, but that one specific dimension—our respective attitudes toward personal responsibility—accounts for a huge proportion of the polarization all by itself."
mircea_popescu: that i can see.
mircea_popescu: fundamentally, some people wish to be told WHAT they did is right and WHAT is wrong. and perhaps why. perhaps. half the time maybe they care.
mircea_popescu: some people enjoy trying to puzzle this out. WHETHER it is one or the other.
mircea_popescu: these are very different sorts, and the classical representation of man holds him to be equally both.
thestringpuller: it's fucking 4 c here while mircea_popescu gets to chill in 32 c
mircea_popescu: that's what the "voter" is supposed to be. but ... he isn't.
thestringpuller: i need to burn more shit
mircea_popescu: decimation the much decried "penitentiary industrial system" doesn't exist because evil white aliens from alpha centauri opress the world into doing it.
mircea_popescu: it exists naturally, because it provides for a need, and it is an actual social solution to a social problem.
mircea_popescu: not the best ? perhaps. but a nude statement of unbestness is as useful as an aeroplane made out of air.
mircea_popescu: gotta have better.
decimation: indeed. it's a retarded version of classical slavery really
mircea_popescu: "oh, lincoln ended slavery"
mircea_popescu: no lol, he didn't. you can't "end" things that exist.
mircea_popescu: they'll end, when they run out.
mircea_popescu: "the civil war was an important fashion battle in the manner of shackles to be used"
decimation: yes, the religious fanatics went to war to make the government-stamped shackles the fashion
mircea_popescu: because "centralize all the things" was the fashionable motto at the time of the manifest destiny and so on.
mircea_popescu: now obviously the opposite is the fashionable motto.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller my daiquiri salutes you.
decimation: it is too bad the french were to fucktarded to keep their lands in north america. it would be interesting to know the history of the Bourbon West
mircea_popescu: but essentially... they didn't care.
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mircea_popescu: it's by and large easier to not give a shit. that's why all divorces succeed, and all independence movements succeed, and why imperialism and colonialism and so on are all doomed.
mircea_popescu: because it is in all times and places cheaper to NOT carry other people's actions in your mind than to do so.
decimation: yeah that's a good point
mircea_popescu: this is why it's cheaper to "publish" if you're twitter than if you're the [classical] new york times, and why the current nyt is twitter in another color scheme.
mircea_popescu: it's... damned... cheaper.
mircea_popescu: obviously that means it's not better, because that's how it gets to be cheaper.
thestringpuller: d00d, just read updates on this thread
thestringpuller: how did hanbot not have an anurism?!?
mircea_popescu: "but people have a voice". orly ? turns out people don't want a voice, especially not in a fucking void. they really want signal and feedback more than they want voice.
thestringpuller: 2-3 years of this?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her lol. i dunno.
mircea_popescu: women are resilient ? boobage amortises ?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot how did you not have a stroke while in the trenches of super retardism?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: perhaps that's another good replacement phrase for "chronic kinglessness": "the people want for feedback"
mircea_popescu: "so they want signal and feedback that's ok, we'll add some buttons and call them feedback" herp.
thestringpuller: "We want free things. Make it all free! We don't want to pay for nice things! We are entitled to the world cause our parents told us so!"
mircea_popescu: "Some people have to have a world of evidence before they can come anywhere in the neighborhood of believing anything; but for me, when a man tells me that he has "seen the engravings which are upon the plates," and not only that, but an angel was there at the time, and saw him see them, and probably took his receipt for it, I am very far on the road to conviction, no matter whether I ever heard of that man before or n
mircea_popescu: ot, and even if I do not know the name of the angel, or his nationality either."
mircea_popescu: clemens, centuries ago. "i don't care what people say that i don't know". duh.
mircea_popescu: reddit has to shadowban users because spam. bitcoin-assets does not. because wot works and "Feedback" doesn't ? awww, who knew.
decimation: who could have predicted?
mircea_popescu: experiment can be carried out in absolutely any class. start marking the papers accurately.
mircea_popescu: out of 30 kids, 27 will fucking riot, 3 will buckle down and do fucking homework. that they don't strictly have to do.
mircea_popescu: don't do that, all 30 kids are undistinguishable. up until, of course, they run against feynman's nature, that which can't be fooled.
mircea_popescu: at which point, suddenly, yes. "who could have predicted".
mircea_popescu: (accurately, of course, means nothing objective. accurately in this context strictly means "so nobody gets a full A half the time". because you're looking for flaws, not to prop self esteem.)
thestringpuller: well reddit wants more users without having to pay for anything
thestringpuller: if user makes too many post too soon, they lose money
thestringpuller: wihtout them the users*
mircea_popescu: they lose jack. i suspect it's merely a fetish.
thestringpuller: perhaps. reddit does have a ridiculously hard time paying the bills with their own money.
thestringpuller: they need big brothers and parents to help pay their way.
mircea_popescu: wonder why. lol.
thestringpuller: this is why I think the ycombinator "seed funding" thing is a bit non-sensical.
thestringpuller: it gets this young people thinking "Yo, if I have a good idea people will pay for me to live, even if it makes no money"
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mircea_popescu: how's it a good idea then ?
thestringpuller: "good idea"
thestringpuller: lets say "good idea that's really bad idea, but is dressed up to look like good idea somehow and fools people"
mircea_popescu: a good idea that makes no money is a bit like a norwegian blue that's pining for the fjords. beautiful plumage...
thestringpuller: it's just mind boggling these children in suits feel so entitled.
thestringpuller: maybe it's how hanbot put it, its "Due to a horrible accident involving, perhaps, various radioactive equipment including a twinkie"
mircea_popescu: suits comingback in fashion ?
mircea_popescu: i thought it was all tshirts and how do you call those african footwear things ?
mircea_popescu: flip flops
thestringpuller: ;;google homeless entrepreneurs san francisco
thestringpuller: i read a story somewhere that there is a whole slew of entrepreneurs in SF that are homeless
thestringpuller: running their business out of their cars and stuff
midnightmagic: lol @ shadowban
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i wonder if there's many whores working out of their car in sf.
thestringpuller: whores do real work, so I'm pretty sure they have housing
mircea_popescu: it's quite common in yurp actually.
mircea_popescu: girl and her wv beetle or w/e.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla's serial buffer shuttle << good project. and he said enough such that anyone who wants, can build!
assbot: Silent Farewell - BIZARRE Sketch with John Byner - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMguzS )
thestringpuller: lol jon matonis randomly followed me on twitter
thestringpuller: dunno if I'm a target now...
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mircea_popescu: "i have to tell you miss lopez, you seem to have caught the egyptian flu."
mircea_popescu: "what ?!"
mircea_popescu: "you're going to be a mommy."
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: "keep your enemies closer?" lol
danielpbarron: he also followed davout, cazalla, saifedean, BingoBoingo
thestringpuller: oh boi. the lines are being drawn.
thestringpuller: my first gig as a war profiteer!
thestringpuller: i wonder if he'll make some kind of contact, "Yo guise, stop stirring up the pot. You're making our hijacking job too hard."
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy he wasn't following none of these b4 ?
assbot: I’ve now been unbanned from reddit. The drama is over.
danielpbarron: .@aantonop Being banned by Reddit is almost as worse as @rogerkver not being allowed in the US
mircea_popescu: "Good permission-less distribution of coins is not possible without some inflation, that's exactly what's happening. Only private and semi-private systems have all shares distributed to stakeholders in one go, money don't work that way, sorry."
mircea_popescu: people with no money expressing views asa to how money works. because clearly... they;'d know.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron almost as worse ? wtf is wrong with these college grads!
thestringpuller: it's like a secretary telling me I need a heart transplant because he saw it on TV
thestringpuller: guess we still haven't left the ages of people wanting to play bitcoin banker
thestringpuller: d00d this shadowban drama is nuts
thestringpuller: people are like "Yo he broke the rules but didn't know. Don't punish him too hard, just give him a warning."
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "This whole hard fork drama is part of the bigger brain-damaged notion that Bitcoin isn't about money." << you actuyally have an excellent point here.
thestringpuller: What the fuck happened to ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.
mircea_popescu: the way "embrace, extend and extinguish" is dressed up in foundation/power ranger internal communication is, "to maximize bitcoin the ideal approach is to not define bitcoin any particular way". this neatly matches their refusal to specify the protocol, and its direct implication is
mircea_popescu: that should tomorrow tide agree to rebrand its detergent as "bitcoin", then it will be okay if there's n omore bitcoin. because bitcoin has no identity but is merely a name, and since the empty name is "more widely used" the project is nominally "more successful"
mircea_popescu: this directly dovetails into the "going around naked holding just the handles of missing suitcases, telling each other stories about wonderous wardrobes" point discussed earlier.
mircea_popescu: and as to the question of "how was gavin turned", the answer is obvious : cultural immersion. he happens to be part of the problem, much like if you put ximenez in charge of the supreme court you'll get burnings at the stake out of the legal process irrespective what the laws say.
thestringpuller: what is the other side of the problem?
thestringpuller: its like the CIA turning jihadist into CIA assets.
thestringpuller: his early posts are relatively sane
mircea_popescu: Confirmed total: 21122 BTC sheeit it crossed 20kdidn't evne notice.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 21122 / 13347
gribble: 1.58252790889
mircea_popescu: still over 1btc o.o
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mircea_popescu: heh. airbnb is good, and the cab thing is good, but this is bad. the difference ?
mircea_popescu: well... silicon valley got ED.
mircea_popescu: someone should 'revolutionize' whoredom.
ben_vulpes: disrupt the whore-er-archy!
mircea_popescu never thought much of the average pimp
mircea_popescu: there's something about that market that always selects for ineptitude
mircea_popescu: maybe because a pimp's essentially an actor playing the cuckold role, i dunno.
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jurov: mircea_popescu: when the fork hits the fan, will you allow us to withdraw our part of gavincoins from mpex?
jurov: or you plan to sell them all yourself?
danielpbarron: no private key, no coin :p
assbot: Btw, we are actually working on a charger that automatically moves out from the wall & connects like a solid metal snake. For realz.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.
thestringpuller: cazalla: i'll submit revision to article if we can vet what he's saying.
cazalla: thestringpuller, sure, just need to get a few cuppas into me, look at all this drama i've woken up to because of you!
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cazalla: just approved a couple of comments on your article as well
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thestringpuller: Ah. Didn't know everyone was gonna go Xbox live on each other - "I FUCKED YOUR MOM" and shit.
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: cazalla: this is my proposed edit (place at bottom of article)
cazalla: thestringpuller, email it or pm
assbot: https://t.co/2iVjWSBkxsSo, Gavin, do you really want to lose little people their coins? Or could you just let it drop?
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
danielpbarron stabs gribble
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 19:18:11; danielpbarron: .@aantonop Being banned by Reddit is almost as worse as @rogerkver not being allowed in the US
adlai: so being a little anal retentive here... http://bitbet.us/bet/1093 is really just asking "does blockchain.info switch to gigacoin"
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0.03 B (3%) on Yes, 1.07 B (97%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 97`257 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWtIam )
adlai: a better phrasing might talk about the block size of the highest difficulty chain at the resolution date
kakobrekla: i agree.
adlai can see himself holding opposite sides of such bets, depending on the exact timing of shenanigans
adlai: oh, this wording also leaves unspecified what happens if bc.i serve up both chains
adlai goes back to studying lojban
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00062311 = 2.6083 BTC [+]
decimation: adlai: are you going to try to speak lojban?
adlai: ie
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jurov: adlai actually if bc.i serves both then it will be YES
jurov: "is the gigablock visible on bc.i?" "yes but.." "not but"
jurov: *"no but"
kakobrekla: no but only butt.
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adlai: there are butts, this is not how the bet is worded... but this is the pot calling the kettle empty
jurov: and how else it is worded? do say
mircea_popescu: jurov i wasn't planning anything on that line
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you mean todd's comment, he is correct.
mircea_popescu: there never was a hard fork before. the march event was an observed fork which was resolved by abandoning the new chain.
jurov: would be quite a perk for mpex users... "liquidate" positions according to last month report and allow to withdraw all the gigacoin
jurov: but i see, it can't be predicted in advance
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more along the lines of a publicly accessible splitter service
mircea_popescu: pay some pool to provide it
mircea_popescu: "I agree a big discussion is necessary before changes are made, but we shouldn't act like a hard fork is somehow inherently an issue."
mircea_popescu: gavin does NOT have the authority to create a hard fork.
mircea_popescu: a hard fork that's not been ok'd by the bitcoin foundation (the real one, not vessenes' scam) is automatically an issue fort the obvious reason :
mircea_popescu: it's an attempt of unrelated third parties to run away with bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: "If the community can't hardfork today we could stop using bitcoin now and look for the better suited alt coin. If bitcoin can't fork-update it has no value."
mircea_popescu: yeah, get lost. obviously bitcoin HAS NO VALUE TO YOU,
mircea_popescu: but that;'s because you were expecting to defraud the faith others put in bitcoin by inflating it.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin does not do that, specifically, and so yeah, pack it and get lost.
mircea_popescu: "we" my fucking foot.
mircea_popescu: bejesus reddit is practically full of fake accounts with a party line.
kakobrekla: this 'this foundation can and the other cant' i very arbitrary except for one being 'us' and one 'them'.
kakobrekla: s/i/is
mircea_popescu: "you can't fuck her unless she agrees" "that seems arbitrary, why her and not me ?"
mircea_popescu: "i know what you agree to, fucker"
mircea_popescu: meh this'll have to be a post.
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davout: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973151 <<< kind of what i figured when reading "The machine handling encryption and decryption on the MPEx side never connects to the Internet" from mpex's faq
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:15:59; mircea_popescu: the correct airgap solution is optics.
benjamindees: thank-you, sir
BigBitz: optics are not an airgap solution - if you mean fibre optics - or do you mean actual optics as in vision/eyes?
benjamindees: Mircea, no one is going to inflate Bitcoin... where do you get that idea?
mircea_popescu: benjamindees how much of this discussion have you read ?
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973445 << "with a timestamp in 2015 and at least 50 confirmations"
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 21:48:31; jurov: and how else it is worded? do say
davout: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973163 <<< the visual confirmation of transferred data sounds pretty neat too
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:20:51; *: kakobrekla has a serial cable with a buffer with visual confirmation of the data and it does not need to be plugged to both computers at same time
benjamindees: well, I was under the impression it was quite a bit, but I may have missed some things
mircea_popescu: define inflation ?
davout: BigBitz: yeah sure, but ethernet-over-optical-fiber isn't really the idea
benjamindees: I agree that perhaps some people might secretly like to continue block rewards forever
benjamindees: but that's not going to happen
mircea_popescu: BigBitz optics as the element that goes over the airgap. rather than sound.
mircea_popescu: benjamindees can ye answer the question ?
jurov: adlais so the issue is not about cockchain.info publishing or not? i'm confused now
benjamindees: inflation is an increase in the money supply, of course
davout: i don't think sound is inherently flawed, as long as you are in a controlled environment
BigBitz: ethernet-over-optical-fibre lolwut.
BigBitz: do you even network bro.
davout: because if you manage to put some microphone somewhere and sniff audio, nothing theoretically prevents you from sniffing optic signal leaks as well, guess it all depends on the implementation specfics
decimation: optical ethernet is quite common in large installations
adlai is just pointing out possible corner cases in the wording, and that it's not measuring exactly "is a hardfork successful"
BigBitz: optical ethernet. wut.
BigBitz: There is no such thing as optical ethernet.
davout: BigBitz: "do you even network bro." <<< the point is precisely not to
mircea_popescu: benjamindees inflation is the increase in the supply. whatever it is.
mircea_popescu: if suddenly there's a lot of noobs here, there'll be an inflaiton of noobs.
kakobrekla: "is a hardfork successful" < since this is bb, hf successful only if mp submits.
mircea_popescu: where originally the occasional noob might be something people want to help, if there's a lot of them that well will be run dry. which is what happened in 1993.
adlai: the point, if i follow correctly, is to establish a channel for conveying specific data across the airgap, as opposed to ethernet-over-fiber, which would defeat the purpose of the airgap
mircea_popescu: adlai that bet doesn't measure "successful" was discussed before, and i said "well, yeah, but it's better to err this way, give the bet a chance"
adlai leaves dead horses to rot
mircea_popescu: davout optics easier to shield.
decimation: adlai: generally 1000Base-LX or similar have a physical laser for transmitting and some kind of photodetector for receive
mircea_popescu: was the statement when that was discussed.
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, lol, okay, listen I think you're over-reacting a bit. It'll work out.
davout: adlai: ethernet-over-fiber being merely the image of 'unsupervised permanently connected automatic optical transmission device'
mircea_popescu: benjamindees of course it will.
mircea_popescu: that's never been in contention.
davout: mircea_popescu: i agree, it's a difference in degree not in kind though
mircea_popescu: just, it will work out my way. not mtgox's way, not pirate's way, not reddit's way or the forum's way or vessenes' way
mircea_popescu: like it ALWAYS has to date, mind you.
davout: benjamindees: inflation of block space supply doesn't count as inflation to you?
mircea_popescu: davout it's a very hard problem this, spying on light.
decimation: adlai: my point being that one can physically disconnect a link end, if one wishes to prevent two-way transfer
adlai: davout, decimation, i know you guys understand this, i think i understand it, the person who seemet to be confused is BigBitz
BigBitz: confused...
BigBitz: I don't think so.
BigBitz: I'm au fait with optics.
adlai: then i misunderstood you, sorry
BigBitz: Don't apologise.
adlai: don't tell me what not to do!
kakobrekla: imo the blockchain size would ideally be set so that we get most tx fees. the answer to that is not simple.
kakobrekla: but on that i think we are still way under limit.
adlai tends to avoid apologies although misunderstandings can lead to lots of strife so they're worth avoiding
adlai: somewhere... there was a comparison of this to the laffer curve
adlai: although it may have been in my head
adlai: blocksize limit + tx fees as the taxation apparatus of bitcoin's decentralized regulatory body
adlai: with the economic issues that arise from optimizing a tax system
davout: adlai: what BigBitz was saying is that an optic fiber isn't a proper airgap, which i concurred with saying that the idea of the airgap is definitely not to have some sort of permanent connection like ethernet over optical fiber should such a thing exist
kakobrekla: anyway think of the poor miners.
adlai: mircea_popescu: ever thought you'd find yourself leading the charge for higher taxation? :P
benjamindees: davout, no, it doesn't. Bitcoin isn't ultimately equivalent to debt-issued currencies in the way velocity is measured, or in the way it impacts the value. it just appears to be at the moment because inflation (issuance) is high.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> but on that i think we are still way under limit. << and i think women are overweight, by and large. what do we do ?
adlai: risperidone in the stratosphere
mircea_popescu: that's a valid point from benjamindees
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu start a foundation?
mircea_popescu: no, i just let 'em be.
adlai: if we look at the blocksize limit as a parameter of the tax system, this isn't inflation, it's a tax cut - which we may wish to reverse in the future
mircea_popescu: adlai nobody asked "we" anything.
mircea_popescu: "we" are not in charge of things just because pelosi likes to pretend so.
davout: benjamindees: i may be thick here, but i fail to see how this relates, as a miner i might not one someone forcing a scarce resource that i sell, such as space in a block, to be inflated away
adlai: if we the people having this discussion look at the ... which we the people cutting the taxes may wish to...
davout: s/i might not/i might not agree with some/
benjamindees: davout, well, the thing is, by the time it even matters, mining may be irrelevant anyways. I wouldn't bank on having a mining oligopoly twenty years from now. Mining is mostly a means of distribution.
kakobrekla: and network will be secured how ?
adlai: if you think mining is primarily a means of distribution, you should consider studying the problems with systems that preceeded bitcoin
decimation: pelosi will take care of the mining.
adlai: "systems" may be an exaggeration, a better word: "proposals"
decimation: !up rootstat
davout: does anyone know if current bitcoin nodes would actually blacklist/disconnect from nodes broadcasting >1m or otherwise invalid blocks?
davout: would transactions still propagated accross fork branches in the event of a hard fork scenario?
BingoBoingo: !up rootstat
davout: trying to figure out how easy/hard it would be to actually split coins reliably accross forks
danielpbarron: all it takes is anyone watching both chains and telling each about the other's transactions; all the ones that aren't doublespends should get accepted by both chains
adlai: nodes get penalized for relaying junk
davout: danielpbarron: yeah, that's a good point
adlai: i'm not certain if they'd get disconnected right away, but a node sending invalid-to-you blocks won't last long in your node's connection list
kakobrekla: how do other envision the future when reward goes towards 0. either a btc is worth half a planet or the fees amount per block go up a few orders of magnitude or network is dead
kakobrekla: which?
davout: adlai: yeah, but danielpbarron has a point, there only needs to be one node bridging transactions for a double-spend to be harder to pull off, obviously not impossible, but it would be harder than trivial
benjamindees: Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. Mining may not be a long-term solution. But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless.
adlai: you can broadcast transactions on both chains, miners could even be incentivized to scan both chains for transactions valid in the chain they're mining on - but p2p broadcast probably won't work on its own, once the network has forked properly
danielpbarron: "confirming blocks for just the transaction fee is a losing venture, but we intend to make up for it in volume"
adlai: double spends are easy today, they'll be far easier in such a situation
danielpbarron: davout, if you can probably beat them to it if it's your intention to doublespend
decimation: well, if the network is dead, no one cares. If bitcoin can be traded for half a planet, the implication is that mining is costly
kakobrekla: no, but you cant secure a network on 0.05 if its not half a planet each.
mircea_popescu: <davout> would transactions still propagated accross fork branches in the event of a hard fork scenario? <>< hard to tell, but mostly yes.
mircea_popescu: <benjamindees> Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. << that's not the reason he had. here is the reason he had : http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/
assbot: Digging through archives yields gold pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1w94ErX )
decimation: kakobrekla: if mining is costly, the miners won't relay dust
mircea_popescu: "The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
mircea_popescu: er, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I
mircea_popescu: have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
kakobrekla: decimation from miners perspective they would include everything and their mother if she has half a dime.
mircea_popescu: the slowly creeping usg-isation of bitcoin has to be nipped in the bud.
kakobrekla: "if im not picking this cent up, next miner will in next block."
decimation: kakobrekla: by that logic, airlines would fly a bum for five bux if there were an empty seat
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is a point. all the people derping about "economy" fail to have read that old mpoe-pr article about buffett and textile industry on the forum.
kakobrekla: yes but miners arent airplane liners.
mircea_popescu: hanbot got a link ?
davout: decimation: they totally would if they had to bear the costs of flying empty airplanes anyway
mircea_popescu: they ... actually do.
mircea_popescu: there's a system where you only fly if they have empty seats, costs bupkiss
decimation: in the us, most airlines have done away with that
decimation: not sure about the rest of the world
decimation: the reason being, the 'airline system' is running at capacity
davout: my favourite pilot joke: "see this baby? that's a C-130. I fly a C-150"
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adlai: !b 1
decimation: at any rate, this is a problem for actual miners to solve in the future, and they will likely despise any actions taken today on their behalf
davout: trying to solve other people's problems that don't exist yet, the recipe for success :D
davout: !up hanbot
hanbot: ty davout
davout: hanbot: so, how's the tampon market in bsas?
assbot: BITBOND update and request for feedback | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANb1c9 )
mircea_popescu: hanbot a there we go.
hanbot: davout lol, i don't know what the hubub's about. they're like two bux a box'a 16.
mircea_popescu: ^ benjamindees read that.
hanbot: ^^ ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: <davout> trying to solve other people's problems that don't exist yet, the recipe for success :D <<< kinda the meat and potatoes of socialist government eh.
davout: also product managers
hanbot: they come with a sanity tax tho', box waxes on unpoetic about how you the buyer are a unique woman whose dreams become reality etc.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the unborn make the perfect socialist workers. they never complain and always eager for the next five year plan
adlai: i like how the idf doesn't put the number in the name (though they are planned for five), calling them just "multi-year plans", as though resigned in advance to the inevitable delays
mircea_popescu: that's exactly it, in the quest to "we promise to over-react, please re-elect us" the socialist politicians are stuck moving the goalposts in the future. their ideal pov is to resolve problems for which no being alive can now hang them
decimation: this phenomenon is demonstrated in obamacare, for instance. the 40% tax on "cadillac" health plans will start in 2018, presumably after a republican president takes office
[\\\]: hi kids
joecool: hi nick, are you still mad at me?
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, you understand that the next, "bigger" too-big-to-fail entity is China, right? It's not Bitcoin... bankers don't take non-inflationary currency seriously.
davout: benjamindees: it's not really as if bitcoin was taking banking too seriously either
mircea_popescu: benjamindees heh.
mircea_popescu: how many "bankers" do you know ?
benjamindees: just one, personally
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1w961XS )
mircea_popescu: fresh offa da presses.
mircea_popescu: benjamindees an' he doesn't take bitcoin seriously
benjamindees: not as a currency
benjamindees: as an asset, sure, assets are easy to control with conventional means -- threats, taxation, theft, etc
[\\\]: "All readers are entitled to five free articles each week." <-- How do I go about getting my five free articles?
adlai: by not using the proxy
mircea_popescu: [\\\] simply load the site.
adlai: proxies socialize away your free articles
[\\\]: it redirected to the http://trilema.com/2013/paid-content/ page
assbot: Paid content pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANg3Wb )
[\\\]: I had to go back to the original and refresh
mircea_popescu: lol adlai
[\\\]: adlai, I'm not using a proxy. I have no such need.
mircea_popescu: not behind seven proxies ?!!?
mircea_popescu: the internetity!
[\\\]: It'd just route to North Korea anyway.
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davout: sgornick: as danielpbarron points out "Yes, that's why it will be so dangerous to accept payments from anyone that includes coins tainted with post-fork coinbases." is not completely accurate
davout: since you would be able to split coins, ie. even if your incoming tx isn't tainted with a post-fork coinbase you could receive funds that aren't spendable on both chains
sgornick: Why? 100% of those will be rejected on the side of the fork from nodes without the hard-fork implemented.
davout: i'm not sure i follow what you're saying
sgornick: Oh, ... I think I see -- you are saying I didn't go far enough? Not only are trxs with post-fork taint worthless, but there could be trxs with no taint that would confirm on one side but would be invalid as they were already spent on the other side?
davout: exactly
adlai: cazalla: "Schzultz"
sgornick: First, gotta get some vocabulary simplified. When we had the unplanned hard-fork March 2013, we had the protocol "pre-v0.8' and "v0.8" . What do we call this protocol with the hard fork implemented vs. that without the hard fork (i.e., unchanged? )
cazalla: adlai, ty
sgornick: Or .. maybe daniel's works best ... "bitcoin" vs. "gavincoin"
davout: sgornick: it wasn't a hard fork in the sense that no rule was changed
sgornick: Sure was ... v0.8 changed the rule in allowing more than the pre-v0.8 side did.
adlai: and there wasn't a well-defined set of nodes that would prefer one block over another - the pre-v0.8 side would nondeterministically reject certain valid blocks
davout: sgornick: it was a hard fork in the sense that not all implementations behaved the same way, not in the sense that a rule was changed
sgornick: The (bdb) rule wasn't (widely) known before v0.8 caused the fork, but it was coded into v0.8.1.
davout: sgornick: an implementation detail in some older client does not count as a protocol rule in my book, if proof was needed that the 'teh-code-is-teh-spec' approach is fundamentally braindamaged, well, look no further
mircea_popescu: <sgornick> First, gotta get some vocabulary simplified. When we had the unplanned hard-fork March 2013, we had the protocol "pre-v0.8' and "v0.8" . What do we call this protocol with the hard fork implemented vs. that without the hard fork (i.e., unchanged? ) << bitcoin vs gavincoin.
mircea_popescu: obviously.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the old thing is bitcoin, and the new thing some shit gavin made.
artifexd: Have we already passed the point of separation? Is it possible that I have bitcoins that are actually gavincoins?
mircea_popescu: <sgornick> The (bdb) rule wasn't (widely) known before v0.8 caused the fork, but it was coded into v0.8.1. << it is technially correct to say that the 8.1. version is in fact more restrictive than the pre 8.0 version.
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mircea_popescu: what people knew about it was important then, but is not really germane
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mircea_popescu: artifexd nope.
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mircea_popescu: davout if proof was needed that the 'teh-code-is-teh-spec' approach is fundamentally braindamaged, well, look no further <>< clearly. not to mention the recent ecdsa openssl debacle, which is pretty much exactly a replay of the bdb stuff. "oh, we included code but we had no idea what it does" sort of approach to code-is-spec specwork
davout: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134318.msg1435904#msg1435904 <<< hearn, in reply to me: "because some parts of the protocol are directly exposed to underlying libraries like OpenSSL, you have to match their behaviour exactly as well, including all their bugs." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134318.msg1435904#msg1435904
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davout: whoops, double link
davout: who could have predicted?
mircea_popescu: "This is how the max block size will be increased, hopefully with the same 2-year delay. By the time the change actually happens, everyone will be using a client with the new rules because that's the only type of client that will have been advertised on bitcoin.org and elsewhere for 2+ years. You'd have to go massively out of your way to download a version without the new rules."
mircea_popescu: the fake bitcoin foundation is going to make it for two years ? bwahahaha gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: Gavin educates, make his points and tries convince community without antagonizing anyone. Popescu is probably the biggest jerk in the community, and his flock are such a dickheads that I'd be happy to see them using separate chain just so they can circlejerk and pretend they are the kings of the crypto-word in their own sandbox. Anything they write is so repugnant, that it's just impossible to argue with them. It's fun
mircea_popescu: ny how they define "THE community" linking between blogs of handful of people.
mircea_popescu: dude, reddit really likes being educated, provided the "education" in question consists of telling them how great and important they are.
mircea_popescu: "However, I also expect Bitcoin to become a) more forgetful and think that b), there could be a systems that puts the burden of validating a transaction on the sender of the transaction instead of the network. So that maybe, maybe, in the more distant future, all that needs to be kept of the decentralized blockchain are the headers, which is less than a CD-ROM full of data for 100years."
mircea_popescu: ahh all this exposure to that other community.
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adlai: what if satoshi sells on the original chain
adlai: (directed by m night shamalayan)
mircea_popescu: "Dude that runs Mpex is a crazy narcissist that happened to get rich (if he cashed out) from being an early adopter. I think the MPEX buy-in was 10k coins just for a seat at the table even after the price hit $30. He also just consented to a $50k fine from the SEC for selling unregistered securities."
mircea_popescu: adlai yeah, all this "satoshi this satoshi that" will be heard until the 1mn hoard quietly splits one night.
mircea_popescu: then it sudden;y won't ever be a topic mentioned again by the ~500 or so fake reddit accounts working at creating "consensus" of "the community"
kakobrekla: no he didnt cash out, he is still poor.
kakobrekla: o wait this isnt the forum
mircea_popescu: ima ask the sec to give me 50k i apparently paid them ?
BigBitz: SEC. lol.
mircea_popescu: brb where's that email address...
mircea_popescu: "This guy owns enough BTC to crash the price to 0 on the fork if it develops. Basically imagine launching an altcoin that starts out with the current blockchain as genesis. Then imagine a huge holder acting to destroy this altcoin to protect the original Bitcoin."
BigBitz: in Romania. LOL.
mircea_popescu: "This is one of the shittiest pieces of fear mongering I've ever read. Hard forking is and should be a natural and regular occurance and never has any hard fork ever threatened the block chain. It's called natural selection. Have a little faith in the educated masses"
mircea_popescu: reddit is actually pretty great lulz
cazalla: easter eggs on shelves here in australia and it's only 2nd week of january lol
mircea_popescu: how long are those supposed to keep
cazalla: forever i think
mircea_popescu: sounds unappetizing
kakobrekla: you dont actually eat them.
davout: cazalla: not very surprising coming from a people that sells oysters already opened
davout: oysters. they're opened. right.
mircea_popescu: plenty o\f restaurants bring them open to the table tho
davout: that's even a worse offense to humanity than vegemite and the australian accent combined
mircea_popescu: da fuck is vegemite
decimation: yeah in the us it is common to get oysters seved open
decimation: it's the shit at the bottom of a beer barrel after fermentation is done
davout: mircea_popescu: of course, i'm speaking about stores, where the oysters are presented like that
mircea_popescu: o lordy.
mircea_popescu: davout ever showed you the alleged "salmon" that was jet black ?
davout: god forbid you confuse vegemite for nutella. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME
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davout: mircea_popescu: that sort of rings a bell, was that in bsas? i kind of remember you mentioning some sort of cheese too
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mircea_popescu: yeah it was
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assbot: Vegemite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1A6ooio )
decimation: Vegemite (/ˈvɛdʒɨmaɪt/ VEJ-ə-myt)[2][3] is a dark brown Australian food paste made from leftover brewers' yeast extract with various vegetable and spice additives developed by Cyril P. Callister in Melbourne, Victoria, in 1922.[4] A popular spread for sandwiches, toast, crumpets and cracker biscuits as well as a filling for pastries, Vegemite is similar to British, New Zealand and South African Marmite, Australian Promite,
decimation: Swiss Cenovis and German Hefeextrakt.
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decimation: mmm bread with yeast shit on top
davout: a filling. for pastries.
davout: wtf
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decimation: in france they fill pastries with almond paste; in australia, with yeast shit
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davout: decimation: tbh the almond pastry thing is usually bakeries recycling yesterday's pastries
mircea_popescu: i think that may actually be required for people with no better source of b complex / colon flora
davout: "oh that croissant from yesterday is hard? let's just soak it in that delicious milk+almonds thing and sell it under a different name" delicious nonetheless
mircea_popescu: well either that or shit transplant from europeans
decimation: heh interesting, didn't know that
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah that's a good theory
decimation: gut flora are probably more important than we know
davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10119424#msg10119424 "Devs, Miners, Traders: they are the three branches of Bitcoin Government. They check and balance each other. Traders and miners have ruled too long. Their power is waning. It's time for devs to bring hope and change to the Bitcoin community. Then we can come back stronger."
assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/17yejE3 )
mircea_popescu: we kinda know...
davout: the interesting in this bit is that if you s/devs/power rangers/ it works just as fucking well, if not better
mircea_popescu: quite stable this abstract grammar.
davout: what ?
mircea_popescu: whatever bitcointalk speaks, it's very stable.
mircea_popescu: resists transforms.
asciilifeform: 'It's time for devs to bring hope and change to the Bitcoin community' << trololol!
asciilifeform: can any of these really be 'for real' ?
davout: oic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but see ? lol
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mircea_popescu: i doubt it was ever in history the case that idiots supporting something did so much damage to it by its attempts at supporting it.
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mircea_popescu: kinda a resplendent showcase of why one does not really want to be on the side of idiots.
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mircea_popescu: s/its/their/
asciilifeform: "oh, we included code but we had no idea what it does" sort of approach to code-is-spec specwork << this is actually a very serious boojum, beyond what most realize. i'll give example.
mircea_popescu: i kinda think we realise...
asciilifeform: if you're doing crypto-whatever (e.g., 'gossipd') and you're gonna process signatures from pgp
asciilifeform: now have to decide 'OAEP' or 'PKCS#1' ?
asciilifeform: and how does your $library actually implement this
asciilifeform: imho this is the crevice where the remaining mice live, for the record.
assbot: panacea ... ( http://bit.ly/17ygd7L )
asciilifeform: idiotically complex solution to a quite simple problem, and there is no opting out if you want compatibility with anything
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, all code statically linked.
mircea_popescu: everything gossipd uses is thereby forked and frozen.
asciilifeform: naturally
mircea_popescu: and that's that.
asciilifeform: that doesn't solve the mystery meat problem
mircea_popescu: it specifies the mystery meat is all.
asciilifeform was answering 'we included code but we had no idea what it does'
asciilifeform: do artifexd, mircea_popescu, (who else in there?) understand the 'oeap' or 'pkcs#1' routine that is to be used in 'gossip' ?
asciilifeform: just as one example
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10118626#msg10118626 << fwiw, cooler heads seem to have caught on and are in danger of prevaling. which'll make this play out exactly as a mtgox 2.0 (i asked for tux' head on a platter in april, "community" protected him for a few months, i got head delivered february next. wonder if gavin makes it that long)_
assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/17ygYxt )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the original complaint was more of a "we include names, do not know what code they stand for"
mircea_popescu: slighjtly more egregious violation of same principle.
mircea_popescu: bvut the recent openss; ecdsa library issue ? it's because they pulled "ecdsa"
mircea_popescu: not specified code, just a name
mircea_popescu: code had changed.
asciilifeform: that kind of behaviour is more or less the same as asking for a, e.g., 'ld_preload attack' or the like.
mircea_popescu: but it's how they're bringing "hope and change" to bitcoin, or w/e it was they were bringing.
cazalla: <davout> cazalla: not very surprising coming from a people that sells oysters already opened <<< ever had Sydney rock oysters?
davout: cazalla: never. been to sydney only a couple of days, lived in melbourne for a while tho, where i witnessed the unspeakable horror of these oysters being sold already opened
cazalla: davout, well agreed there, i won't buy and eat them from fish market in melbourne but while living near Sydney, happy to shove as many down my gullet as possible
davout: they look pretty different from what i'm used to, pretty fat and appealing :D
decimation: asciilifeform: re: tieteixobactin << My outsider view is that microbiology has been more busy derping with 'computing dna' rather than actually studying microbes
BingoBoingo: decimation: And that's why the people who made the jump to culturing forest organisms in dirt found a useful.
cazalla: davout, in fact, Melbourne is all round pretty shit for seafood besides king george whiting
davout: no trouble beliebing that
danielpbarron: they are starting to call the real bitcoin "MPcoin"
mircea_popescu: flattering huh.
mircea_popescu: "mp got bitcoin renamed in his honor by not doing things! now that's the true entrepreneurial spirit!"
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cazalla: ;;rate -100000 davout__ doesn't like vegemite, attacks vegemite
gribble: Error: 'davout__' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: no really this shit is beautiful. so, libertards that think they're part of bitcoin come up with the idea to fork bitcoin to make it moar libertardcoin. mp says "fu and your gavincoin". now, they do understand that leaving the issue as bitcoin vs gavincoin pretty much settles the propaganda angle.
cazalla: i'm not sure if there is anything better than butter soaked bread topped with an inch of vegemite
davout: ;;rate -10000 cazalla__ lives upside down
gribble: Error: 'cazalla__' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: so they'd rather it be mpcoin vs "bitcoin". except... if the gavincoin chain fails, this in effect renames bitcoin after me.
mircea_popescu: so their attempt to fork bitcoin escalated, because before they can in earnest get to that, they have to resolve a namefork
mircea_popescu: holy shit is postmodernity amusing.
BingoBoingo: It really is.
mircea_popescu: i wonder which way they end up solving it.
BingoBoingo: I'm surprised it took so long for the coin name for issue to resolve
mircea_popescu: ie, how soon do they concede defeat.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's hard!
BingoBoingo: Well, they are going to stop saying MP coin soon I imagine, because... They still base their idea of MP wealth on that dorky tortilla chart from god knows how long ago.
BingoBoingo: Not the handlers, but the muppets.
BingoBoingo: Or maybe the handlers too.
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BingoBoingo: !up soypirate
BingoBoingo: !up sinetek
assbot: zomg_pwn comments on Is Bitpay spending too much? 9 employees were laid off last week. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzeWui )
artifexd: ;;later tell nubbins` Do you have an common casascius coins you want to sell? I sold a dozen and would like to replace them.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: how much?
artifexd: 2BTC each
artifexd: If I can replace them for 1.35BTC each (or less), I will.
kakobrekla: the brass is .35 when btc is 100 or 1000.
kakobrekla: pure brass.
kakobrekla: or 1 btc for idijots.
artifexd: Pretty much.
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decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 266.89, Best ask: 267.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 267.49, 24 hour volume: 12512.85539594, 24 hour low: 262.08, 24 hour high: 280.94, 24 hour vwap: 0
kakobrekla: 266, previous top.
kakobrekla: gonner.
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assbot: Don't get smoked http://t.co/GtXDUyOpCx
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BingoBoingo: Retard, that's not a bullet with the name on it that's just a fucking casing.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seems qntra is doing pretty well these days huh
kakobrekla: lots of 'impressions' ? :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. It really does. It's been a fight getting credibility from people on the fence. Took a few days for people to realize the BitPay layoff article wasn't bullshit.
BingoBoingo: f3d1b8ad2e31887ad33695f3e58a4df946cf8020e6f98ce598528ba5d6583bd3
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mircea_popescu: $depth s.qntr
empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.QNTR] Bids: 2000 @ 0.00015000 7089 @ 0.00013514 20000 @ 0.00012995 100000 @ 0.00009995
empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.QNTR] Asks: 50 @ 0.00017400 550 @ 0.00017500 50 @ 0.00030000
mircea_popescu: dat imbalance O.o
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assbot: The Pawn | Bitcoin Wax Stamp ... ( http://bit.ly/1xetcjA )
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assbot: . /btc_feed Really you aren't going to cite the source http://t.co/j5ClkrUzCo you quote in your layoffs article http://t.co/firoaZwLPP
BingoBoingo: ^ San Francisco Ethics
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shameful.
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asciilifeform: re: fork wars << i find it strange that the phoundation folks are derping around with block size, etc. rather than shooting for straight dekulakization.
mircea_popescu: this is just as good, if it passed.
asciilifeform: or is this more of a 'camel's nose' affair
kakobrekla: my guess is nobody really knows what the actual fuck is going on.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: you know. we used to have a "no alcohol on sunday" policy.
thestringpuller: used to not affect, me. Today, I'm like "Sweet time to get beer".
asciilifeform: what even is the point of gigantic blocks ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla quite certain you're right
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what even is the point of gigantic blocks ? << More pretend businesses for the Mr Spamzors
kakobrekla beats sexyginger.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ?
asciilifeform: i can guess.
mircea_popescu: so then ? huge instablocks, miners running into the disaster of textile
mircea_popescu: "a well, bitcoin was a great idea, unfortunately it failed. clearly ron paul can't win office"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Things happen
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller btw, how does it feel to like hit it with article ?
thestringpuller: Meh. Can I go into hiding like hanbot now?
mircea_popescu: getting hassled ?
mircea_popescu: "An as yet unknown1 individual or group has taken up the mantle of DPR and launched the next iteration of the Silk Road marketplace, but this time around it's not accessible via Tor."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where was this ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: So, I'm a big Dave Chappelle fan. Anyhow when he got heckled and ragequitting off stage during one of his last stand up shows he came back out and said something to the audience: "You know why my show is good? Because the network officials say you're not smart enough to get what I'm doing, and every day I fight for you. I tell them how smart you are. Turns out, I was wrong. You people are stupid." This is how I
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform qntra
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i recall that.
mircea_popescu: Basically they fired the guy who blew $1.5Million and only 5 Transactions (probably sub $10) to show for it.
mircea_popescu: BitPay will soon be dead. They probably make $1000 per month revenue and burn around $500K.
mircea_popescu: wait.... reddit no longer loves bitpay ?
mircea_popescu: that leaves what, propping the scam foundation ?
mircea_popescu: no, fred wilson on twitter isn't it. i mean business.
mircea_popescu: "I think the bigger issue is that Bitpay doesn't have a long term business model. Even assuming that Bitcoin adoption grows, transfer of Bitcoin to fiat is a programmable function. People will immediately cut out the middle man if it becomes less expensive, and its a bit of a race to the bottom as people compete in the space for the best rates, quickest conversion and most apis."
mircea_popescu: no moat, eh ? aww.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2yp1/is_bitpay_spending_too_much_9_employees_were_laid/cnm0n9q << if anyone wants to point out to bruce fenton that http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=D.BPAY isn't selling worth a crap. and it's damned cheap too.
assbot: bruce_fenton comments on Is Bitpay spending too much? 9 employees were laid off last week. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDpff9 )
assbot: D.BPAY last 2@0.23999999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDpgQf )
hanbot: ty!
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, done
hanbot: <thestringpuller> how did you not have a stroke while in the trenches of super retardism? << what matters are facts; doesn't matter how often idiocy is repeated by idiots, or how exotic it gets. also, cold showers.
assbot: "The woman's job is to find a great man (not good, by the way), suck his cock, wash his socks and write his eulogy." Bitcoin thought leader Mircea Popescu enlightens. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1yuV1 )
mircea_popescu: awww, internets no like eulogy talk ?
hanbot: i guess it's more fun to play unobservant psych undergrad than to think.
mircea_popescu: hanbot i wonder how many of these milktoothed experts of letters and matters even understands what the sockwashing reference is.
mircea_popescu: judging by teh arguments, i guess now.
hanbot: judging by the arguments, i'd be surprised if the thing was read beyond the title's first nine words.
mircea_popescu: i guess that also.
assbot: Bernie Sanders opens a new front in the battle for the future of the Democratic Party - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1BKzS )
assbot: BitBet - LTC to top one bitcent before March :: 0.04 B (4%) on Yes, 1.06 B (96%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 93`098 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNBVdw )
mircea_popescu: 25:1. i guess not huh.
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asciilifeform still waiting for 'slavecoin'
mircea_popescu: proof of cum ?
[\\\]: is there a cumcoin yet?
mircea_popescu: not afaik
BingoBoingo: !up undata
BingoBoingo: !up Tiraspol
undata: BingoBoingo: ty sir
undata: I should script auth better instead of doing it by hand like a derp each time.
undata: but eh, bouncer makes me lazy
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot i wonder how many of these milktoothed experts of letters and matters even understands what the sockwashing reference is. << is it that bogart-bacall in the desert episode?
mircea_popescu: african queen yup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00051548 = 2.8351 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: damn that's a good movie
thestringpuller: the d00d from maltese falcon and shit
thestringpuller: that guy was a dynamic actor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38878 @ 0.00050292 = 19.5525 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kinda so-so, that one. to have and have not, the big sleep, stuff like that rather.
thestringpuller: the big sleep had some dope "slang"
mircea_popescu: hepburn's outright annoying as a love interest.
mircea_popescu: she does a splendid eleanor of aquitanie and generally dowager roles,
mircea_popescu: but i don't see anyone'd ever want to fuck her.
thestringpuller: not as annoying as marilyn monroe in some like it hot :P
mircea_popescu: what, dumb blonde to perfection.
thestringpuller: maybe I'm just not into the dumb blonde type!
mircea_popescu: i guess my very heavy "not a whore, not a woman" bias is showing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5888 @ 0.00051548 = 3.0351 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2068 @ 0.00081965 = 1.695 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13458 @ 0.00051851 = 6.9781 BTC [+]
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