Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans

← 2014-11-19 | 2014-11-21 →
decimation: really, the 'free software' movement was a kind of reaction to microsoft overreach, which has largely splintered into a hundred different corporate factions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not altogether certain it was ever alive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aside from examples like 'emacs', most of what is actually useful in 'open source' was written in other times, other walls, pre-dating it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was alive at the time it made linux overnight.
asciilifeform: e.g. bsd
decimation: didn't linus say he probably wouldn't have done his thing if bsd was available?
asciilifeform: to the extent 'linux' was a clean-room riff on 'minix' - same deal
asciilifeform: not to mention the userland being there for the taking
mircea_popescu: is bitcoin going to be a "clean room riff" on core-derpage ?
decimation: everyone in the 'free software movement' was happy to allow redhat to take over everything important in userland
decimation: or at least, there wasn't much will to oppose
decimation: I suspect most folks thought they were getting 'free warez'
asciilifeform: one could dispute particulars, but the popular image of 'open source' where 'thousands of people' have meaningful contributions to a project - was always a hallucination.
mircea_popescu: but this hallucination was alive at some point.
mircea_popescu: the hallucination that "people getting togheter" "solve problems" is also a recurrent mode of psychotic social behaviour.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect the same pattern one sees with bitcoind is common in free software, 'the ancients' (typically one elite guy) writes something useful, then shitgnomes dangle turds on it for decades
decimation: asciilifeform: have you ever had occasion to program test equipment that speaks gpib?
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
asciilifeform: decimation: although did once work in a lab where quite a few gadgets were using this classic link
decimation: it's like entering a time warp back to 1979
asciilifeform: decimation: but i escaped having to program them.
asciilifeform: decimation: what of it. rs-232 is a 'time warp back to' 1962.
asciilifeform: and it will still be in use in 2062.
decimation: agreed
decimation: maybe rs-482 too
decimation: or something differential
asciilifeform: the basic signalling scheme, not the voltage levels necessarily
decimation: the latest hotness in fpga is to use a serial bus, after folks have lived in the ddr hell
assbot: What is JESD204 and why should we pay attention to it? | EE Times ... ( )
asciilifeform: decimation: what joy. more proprietary crud that has to be on the die for fpga to talk to anything external.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah or you can buy the ip core
decimation: for $$$
decimation: but yeah the number of onboard 'serdes' modules is becoming a big deal
asciilifeform: which makes the entire proposition of fpga a thinly-veiled scam
asciilifeform: since, idk, 2010 or so
decimation: heh yeah it really does
decimation: 'you can do anything that we allow in our walled garden, shitty tools and shitty errata!!"
asciilifeform: if you go and actually try to implement, e.g., ddr2 controller, using generic logic (yes, i did, and it fit) you quickly discover that it is useless.
decimation: I know folks who have done this, and suceeded, but it took many months of debugging and swearing
asciilifeform: because it uses the general-purpose routing fabric, and propagation delays eat you alive.
asciilifeform: if you grind away at it long enough, you can sometimes figure out the actual physical locations of things on the die
decimation: which results in shitty RTL code to program the thing
asciilifeform: generally, you'll have it figured out by the time... the chip goes out of print.
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: this - is fpga 'in a page.'
asciilifeform: for n00bz.
decimation: which is why many folks don't even bother with fpga for small projects
asciilifeform: generally used when there is absolutely no alternative.
decimation: it's cheaper to run a full server than to pay for the engineering time to dick with the fpga
decimation: and if you are going to run something in huge quantities, might as well make asic
mircea_popescu: well its supposed to be a "prototype"
mircea_popescu: for the sort of people who are genuinely surprised that their thing even works.
asciilifeform: decimation: asic << and here's where the turdmeisters win. many 'asic' products on the market presently are actually 'hardcopy fpga'
decimation: heh yes
asciilifeform: e.g., xilinx wants you to prototype on their fpga, and then offers massively-discounted asic process which simply consists of their fpga die plus custom metallization layer.
decimation: including all the fpga bugs
asciilifeform: naturally you cough up royalties for their 'property'
asciilifeform: e.g., your ethernet card, ddr controller, whatever libs you had the misfortune to rely on
asciilifeform: incidentally, the last time i gave a damn (> 1yr ago) i learned that all the 'miner asic' products had been produced this way.
decimation: my understanding is tha altera is generally easier to deal with here, because they actually do their own r&d to produce these 'ip cores', whereas xilinx tends to contract it out - involving third parties in your product
asciilifeform: altera - same basic scam, ultimately.
asciilifeform: 'the air-seller.'
decimation: this is pretty much the business model for every 'fabless chip corp'
decimation: they all want to be the next qualcomm
asciilifeform: i'm not entirely certain that any piece of silicon that hit the market in the past half decade or so, is a 'real asic.'
asciilifeform: in this sense.
decimation: maybe intel or amd has an actual toolchain?
asciilifeform: i am told that each has a massive proprietary one
asciilifeform: but i would be greatly surprised if modern x86 dies did not have 'licensed' black boxes in them.
asciilifeform: as in, circuit that vendor did not look into and is in fact contractually obligated to at least pretend not to.
decimation: probably many of these 'black boxes' were developed by 'startups' funded by usg tax dollars through universities
decimation: to complete the circle
decimation: << " Qualcomm’s royalty rate for LTE-only is about 125 basis points lower than for 3G. As the industry transitions from the 3G to 4G technology, Qualcomm’s average royalty rate will come under pressure."
decimation: the problem with 'taxing the wave of massive adoption' is that eventually when the wave passes on, one needs to ride the next wave to sustain all the fleas that have attached to the revenue cow
asciilifeform: << i remember when a typical pc had this kind of beautifully painted steel chassis.
assbot: IEEE-488 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00049118 = 25.4431 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: yeah I used to call it 'centronics' connectors, didn't realize their heritage
asciilifeform: 488 was among the last of the standard buses intended to humour folks who want to build own hardware
mircea_popescu: davout: $10 well spent : << lawl
asciilifeform: (genuinely own, as in, ttl logic)
asciilifeform: one could sorta build own isa cards, yes
asciilifeform: (if you were good with, among other things, a jigsaw)
decimation: yeah I remember the old AT chassis, built like a peice of HP test equipment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i recounted various passages to pet, who cringed << specifically ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the piece where explains three basic types of eunuch op
asciilifeform: (iirc, 'cock snip', 'ball snip', 'full dulap')
asciilifeform: plus elaborations of how the actual deed was done in various time & places (crushing, pulling, cutting, burning, etc)
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( )
mircea_popescu: meanwhilke "No Bad Glue Detected" etc.
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ not 100 percent, either
mircea_popescu: ya but i mean...
asciilifeform: but far cry from this marvel.
mircea_popescu: why DOES IT TAKE SO LONG
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of this.
asciilifeform: ah you moved it didntcha.
mircea_popescu: "Vitalik Buterin beat Mark Zuckerberg for the 2014 World Technology Network award in IT software. The award is presented for Buterin's role as co-creator and inventor of Ethereum which has yet to exist and co-founding Bitcoin Magazine. "
mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me ?!
mircea_popescu: this is a spoof, right ?
asciilifeform: 'Co-creator & inventor, Ethereum; Co-Founder, Bitcoin magazine (Toronto, Canada)' (from original source)
asciilifeform: sadly, nothing there re: the 'yet to exist.'
mircea_popescu: fucking evil, this shit.
mircea_popescu: let's pick a derp with absolutely no merits to give the nobel prize to.
asciilifeform: check out the other nominees.
mircea_popescu: o wait, too late for that.
mircea_popescu: ;;google World Technology Network
gribble: The World Technology Network: <>; 2014 World Technology Awards Finalists | The World Technology ...: <>; [About The WTN] | The World Technology Network: <>
mircea_popescu: what, no wikipedia page ?
mircea_popescu: 2002 : Linus Torvalds, Creator, Linux
mircea_popescu: Corp : NTT DoCoMo, Inc.
mircea_popescu: yeah, makes total sense. buterin, the new torvalds
mircea_popescu: *boggle*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0005011 = 8.4686 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: notice paul graham, elon musk, buncha minor catamites, in there.
asciilifeform: buterin is among his fellows.
mircea_popescu: they're really labouring hard to make sure they actualy get boiled in oil, these people.
asciilifeform: lol that was actually my first thought when saw.
asciilifeform: except it was impalement.
decimation: count dracula will not be pleased
mircea_popescu: guy has literally not done anything in his entire life. intern in a meanwhile bankrupt, never relevant trade mag.
mircea_popescu: and shill for a scam.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm unable to say when exactly we reached the point where 'the hunchback can only straighten in his grave' - but it was some years ago.
mircea_popescu: this is the sum total of a life wasted. what's to prize in there ?
mircea_popescu: what i don't understand is how people like linus don't just return the "award"
decimation: or never show up to accept it
mircea_popescu: back when the romanian president gave the star of romania to a bunch of dubious derps, five dozen or so various prior recipients returned them
mircea_popescu: o wait. there's not something to return, is there.
asciilifeform: mailed back medal, sure, anyone can. but what of the money.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it actually comes with money.
decimation: mircea_popescu: could it be that your nameservers (ns7 and ns8) are also inaccessible, thus causing the 'dns outage'?
mircea_popescu: decimation it could be, except they don't see to be.
decimation: they timeout for me
decimation: apparently nobody believes in caching dns anymore
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( )
mircea_popescu: except for that one in bangkok, which i imagine si broken
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grunt at ft. meade had to let go of the red button to light a cig
mircea_popescu: i was thinking about this earlier. i wonder what % of times is a "matgic packet" router attack successful.
asciilifeform: would depend on the particular magic, no ?
asciilifeform: and how many / what kinds of routing it survives.
mircea_popescu: yeah, just like the % of times a pickup line is successful depends on the pickup line.
asciilifeform: pickup may work on x% of woman; nerve gas - 100%. but notice most folks are interested in - pickup.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00049889 = 10.327 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: intelligence agency is (at least in times gone by) distinguishable from vandal.
asciilifeform: wants - particular router.
asciilifeform: not demolition derby.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck in the past, man.
mircea_popescu: "intelligence" in intelligence agency is like "technology" in world technology awards.
asciilifeform: well the thing about demolition derbies is that they are loudly, obscenely - public.
mircea_popescu: it's not like a particular tribe of idiots took over one particular aspect of society.
mircea_popescu: it's that the fucktarded women that are now in their 50s raised a generation of subhuman scum. and it's everywhere.
asciilifeform: well yes, at this point even the gnomes deep in the mines of moria - can see this.
mircea_popescu: i know of litthe more shameful than being one of the mothers of these people.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Democratic Caucus Angry Tammy Duckworth Denied Proxy Vote << jesus perfect storm. double amputee from iraq, pregnant ?!
mircea_popescu: but still, the lich woman has a point. it sez there, no proxy votes.
assbot: PSA : If you’re trying to escape the gravity well, you’ll meet this on your way. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: lemme know if the idea is plainly stated and can be followed from the text or i need to explain it better.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! what part of 'emigration' do people not get?
asciilifeform: leave behind reichsmarks in a bank, aha, yes.
mircea_popescu: they sent ~10k of those things in one bulk this month.
asciilifeform: barrel scrape.
mircea_popescu: monday the 3rd. they will prolly send another one, in dec. and so on.
mircea_popescu: well, no. i happen to think the us would be in a better shape if the whole thing sunk but those 10k were saved
mircea_popescu: than the reverse.
asciilifeform: nah barrel scrape from their pov.
asciilifeform: search for loose coins in sofa.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's not that.
asciilifeform: 'longcat is long,' insolvent empire is insolvent.
mircea_popescu: it's the leaks.
mircea_popescu: see, if your boat got a leak, and you plug it with 1 sq inch of wood,
mircea_popescu: while this is nothing compared to the bulk of the rest of the boat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050227 = 6.2281 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the effect has been to increase its life expectancy by degrees of magnitude.
asciilifeform: it'll be interesting to see phase 2 of this gambit
mircea_popescu: where do the traitors' dollars go ? to prop up russia, so it laughs at the embargo, right ?
asciilifeform: as in, where'll they put the fools who show up
mircea_popescu: to prop up argentina, so it doesn't care what the ny courts say
mircea_popescu: why put them anywhere ?
asciilifeform: well the 'come to mama' physical lure
asciilifeform: that, presumably, has a purpose?
mircea_popescu: i imagine they just won't extend their passports, if they try to leave again
mircea_popescu: you recall, that "irs wants to check your papers" thing added coupla years ago.
mircea_popescu: but until they do, they can go on about how "it's perfectly fine
mircea_popescu: maybe attract more idiots.
mircea_popescu: ;;google armistitiu moscopol
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: iirc, the version of the statute that actually passed was '50k outstanding tax is grounds for cancel passport'
asciilifeform: now, it's abundantly clear that usd is on its way to 'zimbabwean', 'vanity' currency status like soviet ruble
asciilifeform: but not clear that the buggers actually care to detain the earthly carcasses of the owners, vs. just their holdings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.0004886 = 23.2574 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (for n00bs - a vanity-exchanged currency is approximately as useful outside of the border of demented issuing state as vegas poker chip is outside of vegas)
mircea_popescu: the idea being that since the owners care about their carcasses more than about their coins, keeping them in keeps the coins in.
mircea_popescu: its pretty sound.
mircea_popescu: spain allowed the jews to leave, and well... that was the end of it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if 2015 is going to be the year to leave for its entire length, it's definitely the last one.
asciilifeform: next logical step, likely, is 'exit bond'
asciilifeform: sorta inverse of the 'prove you have enough to live on' demanded when entering certain countries
mircea_popescu: and much like the very real bond to participate in the fake bitcoin auction they're holding, no "shares", no "bonds" and no other bs accepted.
mircea_popescu: gold dollars only.
asciilifeform: well, swift-wireable dollars.
asciilifeform: (notice no bags of benjies accepted either)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67600 @ 0.00048585 = 32.8435 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: oil dollars
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33939 @ 0.000478 = 16.2228 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: at any rate, the reason there is not a pandaemonium of attempted republikflucht from usa, and corresponding whack-a-mole game by usg, is very simple -
asciilifeform: most folks here are as likely to escape as dolphin from national aquarium.
asciilifeform: and for same reason.
mircea_popescu: this is not a game of mosts.
asciilifeform: in some ways it is. in that the serious mega-capital is likely already walking
asciilifeform: (who, precisely, will stop it ?)
mircea_popescu: megacapital is megastupid.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they're generally old people.
mircea_popescu: for the other... old people.
mircea_popescu: i can find three new wives and learn a language before the month is out. your average "rich guy" is petrified of changing his colenostomy bag brand.
mircea_popescu: "what if!"
mircea_popescu: the rich jews were still trying to make deals with teh reich in 139
mircea_popescu: the rich senators were still buying armies in rome by 399.
mircea_popescu: none oif them went "fuck this shit, i'm moving to galia narbo and building a castle."
asciilifeform: and 45.
asciilifeform: note (generally omitted from schoolbook histories) the cost of a seat on schindler's train
asciilifeform: payable in diamonds
asciilifeform: incidentally SOP mechanism for expedient coin-carcass separation.
mircea_popescu: the shitty film they made included all sorts of people that defo weren't there.
mircea_popescu: of course... in retrospect... srsly dude, diamonds ?!
mircea_popescu: bwaahah.
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, they were going for bitcoin, which gold isn't. but still... lol.
asciilifeform cannot remember the source for this tidbit, will have to dig. probably ru.
mircea_popescu: it's not controversial.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2014 23:48:07; asciilifeform: however, the reason why it is customary to sit a captured wretch on an anthill, or the like, without first inquiring about his assets, is that in such a situation the definition of 'assets' expands to everything the victim could potentially beg/borrow/steal
mircea_popescu: lol google got 1e10 tld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00047118 = 18.1875 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00047122 = 10.3433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00045703 = 6.5812 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1744 @ 0.00119084 = 2.0768 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00044036 = 8.2347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00045852 = 12.3342 BTC [+]
davout: ohai
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i can't push assets i don't have
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00046734 = 3.4583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38947 @ 0.00047137 = 18.3584 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: SMS pwnage on MEELLIONS of flawed SIM cards, popular 4G modems • The Register ... ( )
nubbins`: phun phact, the neutral-color base for our plastisol inks is called "amazing base"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00046601 = 6.4076 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00047214 = 16.0055 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25322 @ 0.00047378 = 11.9971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00047634 = 17.315 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Mega Bit-Billions (my original DAO idea) | Blockchain for the Billions ... ( )
nubbins`: i, for one, welcome the opportunity for that sweet gambling revenue to be diverted away from roads, social programs, and the healthcare system, and to be randomly redistributed to the gamblers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21894 @ 0.00046722 = 10.2293 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: what a fucking asshole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26906 @ 0.00046332 = 12.4661 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59285 @ 0.00045934 = 27.232 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.0004556 = 23.6456 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.0004471 = 16.2744 BTC [-] {2}
mats_cd03: he's an idiot is what he is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00044642 = 18.7943 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
assbot: After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" | ... ( )
kakobrekla: omg banner!
kakobrekla: its a gif!
BingoBoingo: OMG!!!
BingoBoingo: Does anyone know how leveraged trading work?
kakobrekla: where?
assbot: Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( )
BingoBoingo: It sounds like scam, so should be qntra'd, but could probably benefit from someone more familiar with where the scam is here writing it up.
kakobrekla: <Enky> "normal administration" we say in italy
assbot: Huobi's BitVC Takes Trader Profit to Cover $1 Million Loss ... ( )
kakobrekla: shitheads
kakobrekla: huobi i mean
BingoBoingo: Eh, more shitheads than brainheads nowadays
kakobrekla: next week they will be back on coindesk with some new chumpatron
BingoBoingo: And next week I will gorge on turkey and baked breadcrumbs, because Lincoln wanted a propaganda victory
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83650 @ 0.00044946 = 37.5973 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell davout looking into it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47784 @ 0.00044543 = 21.2844 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Hello pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: ;;isup
gribble: is up
assbot: Xenophillia - The Making of a Game. ... ( )
ben_vulpes: talk about yer genesis block
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes lol
pete_dushenski: "I aim to make the most complex game I can still balance. This doesn't sound like an easy task, and it's more difficult than it sounds."
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" << no wai!
BingoBoingo: Ya Wai
pete_dushenski: less tawk more walk
pete_dushenski: or less tawk more hobble like a gibble
mats_cd03: such eloquence
pete_dushenski: developer training and certification workshops << gotta prop up that profit when all the "i just wanna support the causers" are sucked dry
mats_cd03: whatever happened to
TomServo: You mean :P
TomServo: I believe that was pankkake's - which he somewhat recently shutdown.
pete_dushenski: ya and peterl was working on a replacement but...
pete_dushenski: it's still very on-again-off-again
pete_dushenski: or i should say that scoopbot is
thestringpuller: yea scoopbot doesn't always have the scoop
pete_dushenski: eg last two contravex articles. speaking of which!
assbot: What Happens When All The Fish Are Gone? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
assbot: Dying With Dignity: How Life Expectancy Isn’t What You Think It Is | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
thestringpuller: is this the point when the estate of dr. seuss shows up in channel?
mats_cd03: o. well kako should update topic then
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller the estates of many of dead man would probably find contravex of interest
pete_dushenski: mats_cd03 guess so
assbot: The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mayhap the debian gr is wiser than us ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl
gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <PeterL> Like you said, you can own a small piece, but nobody owns the whole thing
pete_dushenski: heya mircea_popescu
pete_dushenski: it goes?
pete_dushenski: loverly :)
mircea_popescu: decimation: Google: "Q: who owns the internet? A: nobody" << fuck you << i imagine they're talking of the whole enchillada, as opposed to the parts thereof.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Wow, there's a city actually named Moroni << iirc some prophet in john smith's braindamaged copy of yurp under his own "brand"
mircea_popescu: i always found that pretty amusing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: It sounds like scam, so should be qntra'd, but could probably benefit from someone more familiar with where the scam is here writing it up. << looking.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that's why I deferred writing it up. I'm not familiar with China-land too much.
mircea_popescu: they would be shifting their focus almost entirely towards the goal of funding "core development" << my translator comes up with "it's dead".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the correct angle there is to compare to MMM
mircea_popescu: which is EXACTLY what happened there.
thestringpuller: MMM is funny as shit though.
mircea_popescu: shit not mmm. stock generation. the internet thing
thestringpuller: Reading about MMM was like reading about Action Park.
thestringpuller: Like something out of a cartoon.
thestringpuller: ;;google Action Park
gribble: Action Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Action Park Mountain Creek, Vernon NJ | Water Parks in NJ: <>; The dangerous return of the world's most insane theme park | New ...: <>
mircea_popescu: Company 9 was the "privileged" company, with its shares "guaranteed" never to decrease in value. Promised return was originally 10% a month (215% annually,) but was later reduced to 7% a month or 125% annually. In early April 2000, Stock Generation, despite all previous guarantees, devalued its privileged company shares to 5% of their previous value.
mircea_popescu: Companies 10 and 11 promised monthly returns of 50% and 100% (later 40% and 70%) respectively. At the same time, share prices could plummet 50% for company 10 and 100% (e.g. all the way down to 0) for company 11. That caveat (known as Rule 18) was another way for StockGeneration to justify their claims that this was a gambling website, rather than an investment vehicle.
mircea_popescu: that thing.
thestringpuller: ponzi schemes will help destroy the financial system!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: next week they will be back on coindesk with some new chumpatron <<< no, it gets better. next, they will be getting the congressional medal of honor, for "innovation"
kakobrekla: so wai are we still on this planet?
pete_dushenski: "Canada reopened its 50-year bond maturing December 2064 Thursday and is expected to raise a minimum of 500 million Canadian dollars ($442 million)" << lelz
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because you've not built the ship!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Perhaps you would like to a your second piece for qntra. Stumbled into a US abuse of court thing with Kim Dotcom I'm writing up.
mircea_popescu: no, because a spitting copy of that other kim is coming by to visit us in a little, and ima have my hands full
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you busy honey ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu not overly
mircea_popescu: so do the huobei vs stock generation piece ! for great justic
mircea_popescu: mebbe we get someone to translate it to chinese.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "hands full" << was that a pun?
thestringpuller: fun fun fun!
pete_dushenski: lemme take a quick look at it...
pete_dushenski: brb working on english version of huobi vs stockgen :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00044604 = 9.969 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: little old me going through his logs, runs into a line
mircea_popescu: tcp 0 0 192.168.*:42230 ddos-server.intyl.b:www ESTABLISHED 1794/opera
mircea_popescu: nearly fucking falls over.
thestringpuller: whatever happened to that codinginmysleep guy
mircea_popescu: turns out RamNode had the cute idea of naming its stuff thusly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00044465 = 13.8286 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and im really talking to my own site.
mircea_popescu: resolves to "". who the fuck came up with this idea i wish to know, and i further wish to know how many people reading logs got a start from it.
mircea_popescu: fucking trolls.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no idea, sorta faded off.
kakobrekla: lol mp hunting bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?
mircea_popescu: status: NOHORROR
mircea_popescu: i predict we will see the day when that's what it's gonna say.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58450 @ 0.00044324 = 25.9074 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: thestringpuller dat missed delivery
mircea_popescu: mthreat anyway, not bad article. nothing incendiary, but hey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00044604 = 3.2115 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up Xuthus
BingoBoingo: !up hihowareyou
assbot: New York banker, 42, slashed throat during bender: sources - NY Daily News ... ( )
nubbins`: "banker drowns self by holding head underwater in tub"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo mircea_popescu cazalla
assbot: Title: Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme Earlier this week it - ... ( )
pete_dushenski: << "even though they're using cyrillic text on their signs and we can't read it, it's a GERMAN bunker!"
assbot: They Stumbled Across This In The Woods... Beneath It Was A Terrifyingly Awesome Secret. ... ( )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1227 @ 0.001192 = 1.4626 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme | ... ( )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo qntra should use its favicon on its twitter profile
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The Favicon artwork doesn't look great at avatar resolution, hence the bunny
pete_dushenski: lol just noticed the little fluffer
assbot: Huobi reboots Stock Generation-style ponzi scheme: My 3rd piece for /qntra! Trying not to make this a habit...
pete_dushenski: anyways, ima a be off. later cult!
asciilifeform: 'german' bunker << first photo caption - 'controlled remotely' (not 'stay back') wtf
nubbins`: wiring panel for the lift bridge just out of the frame
BingoBoingo: !up trixisowned
BingoBoingo: <trixisowned> All three futures exchanges (OkCoin, Huobi, 796) use the same exact formula to get this "loss" calculation.
BingoBoingo: <trixisowned> Maybe you should warn about ALL of the futures exchanges rather than portraying yourself as biased.
trixisowned: It's the truth
trixisowned: deal with it
trixisowned: ive noticed multiple people trying to portray huobi as the bad one
trixisowned: when ALL the futures exchanges
trixisowned: are doing the same shit
BingoBoingo: ^ Perhaps the case is that the model is broken, but Huobi is the one where problems have happened
trixisowned: are you being paid by OkCoin?
trixisowned: because thats how it comes off
trixisowned: on reddit
trixisowned: just saying
kakobrekla: !s tera self
BingoBoingo: trixisowned: Where on reddit?
trixisowned: maybe it wasnt you
trixisowned: but this is the second "article"
kakobrekla: !s tera* self*
trixisowned: about how huobi has supposedly
trixisowned: ripped off users
kakobrekla: sorta on topic
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 19:56:44; kakobrekla: TeraExchange self certified their Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract and it is currently listed for trading.
trixisowned: and thats simply not true
kakobrekla: you know, they at least self certified
BingoBoingo: OkCoin prolly sucks
kakobrekla: like i self smarted myself
trixisowned: okcoin DOES suck
trixisowned: so does huobi
trixisowned: among all the exchanges
trixisowned: but your article
trixisowned: is portraying it as if
trixisowned: huobi is the bad guy and people will just go and shill off to okcoin
trixisowned: which is not the thing to do
BingoBoingo: !up Dr-G2
trixisowned: especially when the fucking okcoin shills are about pushing their "OKCOIN HAS NO FEES WHY DONT YOU TRADE THERE!" bullshit
trixisowned: just saying
BingoBoingo: I can not repair broken reading's of pete's article.
assbot: trixisowned comments on Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. ... ( )
trixisowned: er, thats a comment, but read the whole thread
trixisowned: its basically a repeat of that whole fucking shill thread
trixisowned: made by r/bitcoinbravo
trixisowned: who is the CTO of OkCoin
assbot: Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( )
assbot: Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( )
BingoBoingo: << Now there's a reddit to make sure the OKcoin model can be highlighted as broken too
assbot: Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme, Is this possible with other BTC/Futures exchanges? : Bitcoin ... ( )
trixisowned: There was no way to contact whoever made the post BingoBoingo
trixisowned: and there was no way to post a comment
trixisowned: so i pm'd you
trixisowned: your comment system is broken.
BingoBoingo: Comment system is broken how?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1245 @ 0.001195 = 1.4878 BTC [+] {2}
trixisowned: [11:40:47] <<trixisowned>> ERROR: please fill the required fields (name, email).
trixisowned: even though i filled in both
BingoBoingo: Try again, might have triggered a false positive on one of tha spam prevention measures
trixisowned: eh im over it
BingoBoingo: Ciriticism of a thing is not an endorsement of its competitors
BingoBoingo: !up Molt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64537 @ 0.00043581 = 28.1259 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76326 @ 0.00044315 = 33.8239 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00044534 = 6.0566 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> New York banker, 42, slashed throat during bender: sources << lmao getting moar and moar believable.
asciilifeform: 'he ran into my knife. he ran into my knife - ten times!' - 'chicago'
mircea_popescu: !up snee
mircea_popescu: <trixisowned> because thats how it comes off << are you silly ?!
mircea_popescu: the fact that a bunch of scams are a bunch of scams, from icbit onwards does not mean that pointing out one particular scam as a scam is "supporting the others".
mircea_popescu: this is glbse-think.
mircea_popescu: !up Molt
mircea_popescu: <trixisowned> There was no way to contact whoever made the post BingoBoingo << like ?
assbot: Contact | ... ( )
mircea_popescu: or you mean specifically pete ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i hate your articlke, fwiw. broadly because it's a very lazy stitching together of unexplained quotes, narrowly because wtf, qntra now links to wikipedia ? splendid, we're building a total alternative over here.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this shit needs actual work. with the head. make a point, and make it interesting.
mircea_popescu: "The similarities between Huobi and Stock Generation are striking." << orly ?
mircea_popescu: show, don't tell. when you tell a) everyone knows you're lying, whethetr you are not not and b) nobody can be bothered to go look anymore. fucking show. always.
mircea_popescu: s/not not/or not/
Pierre_Rochard: If you’re done with Dushenski can I butt in and get my 2 mins of hate
assbot: pacioli/ at 0.0.14 · NakamotoInstitute/pacioli · GitHub ... ( )
Pierre_Rochard: how do you want your gpg-encrypted invoices formatted?
Pierre_Rochard: I remember you have an aversion to JSON so I shied away from that
mircea_popescu: or what do you mean formatted ?
Pierre_Rochard: data = "document:sales_invoice, id:%s \r\n" % invoice_id
Pierre_Rochard: data += "address:%s, amount:%s \r\n" % (bitcoin_address, amount)
mircea_popescu: ah, any csv thing works.
Pierre_Rochard: I was thinking it should be both human readable and machine parsable
Pierre_Rochard: Ok, and the CSV text as a file attachment or as just plaintext in the email?
mircea_popescu: plaintext, armored.
mircea_popescu: i was promised hate.
Pierre_Rochard: haha, maybe when you test it out you’ll have some invective
mircea_popescu: or maybe i'll just have some apple pie instead!
Pierre_Rochard: apple pie <- that’s what I’m shooting for
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone read gustav fechner ?
mircea_popescu: physicist turned metaphysician under the guise of psychiatry.
Molt: lol
The20YearIRCloud: Looks like we're in contract (RentalStarter) On property #12 now too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70481 @ 0.00042804 = 30.1687 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
jurov: lol The20YearIRCloud you'll soon get sizable chunk of ohio
The20YearIRCloud: the slummy parts at least
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00044197 = 11.226 BTC [+]
cazalla: RE: huobi drama from earlier - i'm shitcanning pete's article on basis a) a post on reddit is rarely a reliable source b) i can't read chinese so it is difficult to confirm/verify what the links in the post on reddit claims
cazalla: trixisowned, you could've gone about this in a better fashion and outlining one scam is not an endorsement of others, if anything, this speaks more to qntra's need for a chinese to english writer
thestringpuller: got the poster nubbins
thestringpuller: nubbins` ***
nubbins`: bout time :D
TomServo: +mircea_popescu | show, don't tell. when you tell a) everyone knows you're lying, whethetr you are not not and b) nobody can be bothered to go look anymore. fucking show. always. << Wouldn't this also apply to your qntra article?
TomServo ducks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24451 @ 0.0004266 = 10.4308 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: US Department of Justice: Kim Dotcom can't challenge asset forfiture | ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00042489 = 7.2019 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.001197 = 1.197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21549 @ 0.00042572 = 9.1738 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75100 @ 0.00042589 = 31.9843 BTC [+] {2}
mats_cd03: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.1, Best ask: 355.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 355.09, 24 hour volume: 16517.18039886, 24 hour low: 351.8, 24 hour high: 381.8, 24 hour vwap: 363.832783744
assbot: Canadian Bankers Association On Bitcoin: "We're Not For It Or Against It" | ... ( )
thestringpuller: ;;seen diana_coman
gribble: diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 56 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
BingoBoingo: !up MissShibe
MissShibe: Hi all, if anyone has lost money in Moolah / Cryptsy we are working on a class action lawsuit against Ryan Kennedy.
MissShibe: Send me a PM for more info
BingoBoingo: MissShibe When you want to contact press for announcements press is here
BingoBoingo: << Legit money news outlet MissShibe
assbot: | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary ... ( )
MissShibe: Oh, thanks
undata: MissShibe: hah, did cryptsy go down?
assbot: mcxNow Says it is Becoming mtMOX | ... ( )
punkman: Pierre_Rochard: I'd make format pluggable
MissShibe: undata, No, it's to do with Moolah and Syscoin
BingoBoingo: So when you want get to the point where you want to do interviews and such about lawsuit, there is scam hating journo outfit to go to
MissShibe: Great, I will let the organisers know!
BingoBoingo: Thanks
MissShibe: Just dropping by cryptocurrency channels looking for others who are interested in exploring legal action at this stage
BingoBoingo: Good luck
Pierre_Rochard: punkman: quick search for "pluggable format python" didn't turn anything up, please elaborate
punkman: Pierre_Rochard: well you know one guy wants JSON, other guy wants CSV, make it so it's not hard to use something other than the default
punkman: Pierre_Rochard: I kinda like TOML
Pierre_Rochard: ah, I see, I'll add those options once I've shipped v0.1. Thank you for the idea
Pierre_Rochard: right now I'm setting it up so that other pacioli servers can import the invoices / purchase orders
punkman: Pierre_Rochard: will probably need something like this at some point:
assbot: pluginloader 0.1.3 : Python Package Index ... ( )
Pierre_Rochard: ah, yes, this will come in handy
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 330918 | Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 | Next Difficulty In: 1721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 20 hours, 14 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 38887362841.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.50538
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00041957 = 19.6359 BTC [-] {2}
xanthyos: miss me?
xanthyos: i'm in extraordinary pain
BingoBoingo: xanthyos: Of course you were missed.
xanthyos: in case anyone thinks i was faking
xanthyos: still wearing my hosp bracelet
xanthyos: can't take the gauze off my cock until saturday
xanthyos: probably will be scarred for life
BingoBoingo: Hopefully it is a cool scar
xanthyos: the surgeon's name was Richard Frink
xanthyos: dickfrink
xanthyos: he frinked my dick
BingoBoingo: lol, fucking urologists have the punniest names
xanthyos: i have vicodin
BingoBoingo: You prolly need it
xanthyos: the dilaudid they shot me up with was amazing
punkman: how did you break the thing anyway?
xanthyos: i can see why people ruin their lives for heroin
xanthyos: i have an ocd ritual of bending it back to pop it so it relaxes because if i orgasm i have anxiety as an aftereffect
xanthyos: clearly it was not a sustainable solution;.
BingoBoingo: I got hit with the dilaudid during ball crisis this spring.
xanthyos: they made it like it was something to be embarassed over
xanthyos: but i'm owning it
assbot: Rating Details for User 'xanthyos' ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Why would you be negged for being open about a cock crisis?
assbot: Gavin Andresen: Core Development Has More Resources Than Ever! But We Can't Pay You | ... ( )
xanthyos: because it's offtopic maybe, and speaks to my mental instability which could be seen as a reason to distrust, idk
cazalla: xanthyos, chicks dig scars.. why in pain though? i thought you guys can have as much oxy as one pleases there?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: That used to be the deal, but no more
xanthyos: i got 30 tablets of acetaminophen/oxy
xanthyos: 500 mg tylenol for 5 mg heroin
xanthyos: rough ratio, big pills
cazalla: xanthyos, share the love
punkman: I had surgery to remove a tricky wisdom toothonce and they sent me on my way with 2 paracetamol tablets
xanthyos: are you in the uk?
xanthyos: the socialist NHS has to cut costs somewhere, eh?
cazalla: punkman, weird eh, a gp gave me oxy for a sore neck
punkman: nah not UK, some shithole in south-east europe
xanthyos: albania?
punkman: I scrounged up some paracetamol+codeine tablets, worked out ok
cazalla: xanthyos, don't be playing with it while it heals too, 10 years no sex, i imagine maybe you get a bit furious with it at times
punkman: but I expected a bit more after the fuckers drilled into my jaw-bone or whatever
xanthyos: i masturbate as infrequently as possible but when i go i empty the thing
xanthyos: usually 4 consecutive orgasms
assbot: Verizon’s widely mocked tech news site hasn’t published anything in weeks | Ars Technica ... ( )
ben_vulpes: <xanthyos> i have an ocd ritual of bending it back to pop it
ben_vulpes flaps hands in distress
punkman: hah
xanthyos: i'v ebeen doing it for 20 years and never had a problem til now
ben_vulpes: cannot unthink that
ben_vulpes: bending it back to pop...
ben_vulpes: i don't even know what you're *describing*
xanthyos: it feels good but i don't recommend it now tht i'ave had this experince
cazalla: i still don't follow how you "bend" or "pop" it xanthyos, please to be making an instructional video
xanthyos: it's like a knuckle
ben_vulpes flaps more
mod6: pop goes the weasel
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's actually a traditional think in Iran and Turkey. Also... Those regions lead the world in this sort of injury.
xanthyos: really?
cazalla: maybe yours is different, i dunno, i don't think my cock is like my knuckles at all
xanthyos: the fucking MUSLIMS do it?
xanthyos: gross
punkman: dafuq
mircea_popescu: so here's a simple computing test for your platform. 1) open a 100mb text file. if your editor croaks, you're running windows. 2) go to the end and depress the pageup key. count to sixty / wait a full minute. depress the key. if the scroll stops immediately you are running good unix. if it keeps going... well...
kakobrekla: now that you cant bend to pop, mebbe you can pull to pop?
BingoBoingo: ;;google Taqaandan
gribble: Penile fracture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Findings | Harper's Magazine: <>; Preventing penile fractures and Peyronie's disease - Los Angeles ...: <>
xanthyos: all the computers in the hospital were running windows
kakobrekla: actually there are several text editors for windows that eat 100mb file like nothing
nubbins`: gvim!
nubbins`: notepad++!
xanthyos: SFW^
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla jus' sayin
ben_vulpes: btw watched tinker tailor solider spy the other night
ben_vulpes: muchly enjoyable
punkman: playin with gpg sig combiner:
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkman: guess it works
punkman: just need to dearmor sigs, concatenate, armor again and it's good to go
BingoBoingo: !up elliot_
ben_vulpes: ;;google htop columns
gribble: Htop columns description | The sky's the limit: <>; Ubuntu Manpage: htop - interactive process viewer: <>; htop - Monitor Linux processes in real time (Real world Linux) - IBM: (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: wow i just briefly witnessed a server error in google
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: text editor experiment << when you build 'emacs', you can select 'use mmap for buffers' as a compile flag.
asciilifeform: iirc, this is (for some perverse reason) not default under linux.
mircea_popescu: what does it use otherwise ?
mircea_popescu: systemd ?
asciilifeform: otherwise snarf the whole thing in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00042897 = 5.5337 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: even so you know ?
mircea_popescu: 1% of avail memory, since when is that a problem
asciilifeform: since braindead allocators
mircea_popescu: kinda my point.
mircea_popescu: i'm not arguing something like "o, you know, there's no way around it". more like, "why the fuck should finding ways around it even be a consideration at all"
asciilifeform: starts out with innocent symptoms like this, end up like yours truly, ranting at hapless strangers about trinary logic made of muller's gates.
mircea_popescu: lol. i dun care how they implement it.
asciilifeform: sometimes, however, the gizmo cares how implemented. (consider the case of the airplane, which stubbornly resisted being powered by steam engine on account of the latter's poor power-to-mass ratio. etc)
asciilifeform: (exercise for student. can you posit a planet such that steam airplane - using reciprocating engine - functions there? gravity must be less than ours, but atmosphere dense enough to create lift at achievable speeds and propeller thrust)
asciilifeform: ^ nasty multivariable boojum
mircea_popescu: actually no, that planet does not exist.
mircea_popescu: do the energy calculation, friction vs lift.
asciilifeform: that's the answer i got, when this puzzle was given to me, yes
asciilifeform: but why spoil for n00bz
mircea_popescu: there's a limit to the smallest energy density that can fly, period, no matter any other considerations
mircea_popescu: well, what is this if not the intellectual rape channel ? that's what we do, we spoil noobs.
asciilifeform: l0l n00bz should sweat a bit, build muscle.
asciilifeform imagines that someone, somewhere, actually attempts his puzzles
mircea_popescu: (people that object readily to "oh but comets can fly and no engine there" be confused as to what "energy density" means. calculate v**2 for comet)
asciilifeform: well, for some value of 'fly' that is not simply an orbit
mircea_popescu: no, that's what i mean. for fly period.
asciilifeform: aha if you count kinetic e, trivially true
asciilifeform: by definition, lol
mircea_popescu: course you do
mircea_popescu: exactly :)
mircea_popescu is a fundamentals man.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu never leaves dynamite at home when going fishing
mircea_popescu: if you can fuck her with the cock, why use your finger ?
mircea_popescu: at least, that's what i feel about it.
asciilifeform: valid approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but in the same vein of "hard problems, if you're new here", you know the two trains and fly one im sure
mircea_popescu: actually iirc it was stated here, mebbe last year.
asciilifeform: !s trains fly
mircea_popescu: well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph.
mircea_popescu: calculate total fly flown distance.
mircea_popescu: or we, 11 instead of 9, so it's prime too.
punkman: I heard an underwater dynamite explosion while diving once, almost shat myself
asciilifeform: distance flown == time to collision x fly speed.
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: you could integrate it.
asciilifeform: but no reason to.
mircea_popescu: well there's no reason not to count e's either
mircea_popescu: anyway, where i'm from it's traditionally given to 15-16yos taking their first year of analysis
mircea_popescu: so teachers can laugh at dumb fucking kids entrhalled with their new magic
cazalla: can someone load a post on their mobile and see if there is a big white gap between navbar and the post itself?
mircea_popescu: "you don't have to make yourself magic pork and beans just because you have a magic wand you ninny"
mircea_popescu: cazalla ipad count ?
asciilifeform: variation on ancient olympiad problem.
cazalla: yes
cazalla: mircea_popescu, does it look like this ?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ sorry no ascii version, maths puzzles
mircea_popescu: cazalla tis fine. flashing gif mebbe a little distraction
cazalla: mircea_popescu, point of an advert yeah?
mircea_popescu: mebbe. arguably.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, load a post, not itself
cazalla: maybe it's just related to the ipad 2
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe, Maybe ipad needs to go to chopshop to check for NSA?
asciilifeform: 'This is a special collection of problems that were given to select applicants during oral entrance exams to the math department of Moscow State University. These problems were designed to prevent Jewish people and other undesirables from getting a passing grade. Among problems that were used by the department to blackball unwanted candidate students, these problems are distinguished by having a simple solution
asciilifeform: that is difficult to find. Using problems with a simple solution protected the administration from extra complaints and appeals.'
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. orthodox russian kids did find it ?
asciilifeform: it was problems to -give- to folks you needed to kick
asciilifeform: in final rounds of an olympiad, judges select problems for the players individually
mircea_popescu: in romania that'd have never flied.
asciilifeform: well, that particular one
mircea_popescu: lol myeah i guess.
asciilifeform was not in it, only knows from historical source
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you should've seen the huge ass banner BingoBoingo put up before we settled on the box on sidebar :P
mircea_popescu: anyway, VERY flashy is, in my humble and unexpert experience, counterproductive. so is very large.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz: in honest olympiad, the puzzles are either same for all players, or come out of a hat)
mircea_popescu: this isn't THAT bad on either score.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, we discussed using text links either above/below each article as well, thoughts?
mircea_popescu: kinda meh.
mircea_popescu: if people want links let them go the original route, do something newsworthy. have a designated pr liaison and there you go.
cazalla: that won't keep the advert current once new news is posted
cazalla: text idea is that above or below an article, you have perhaps - sponsored name - blah blah come play mega dice win mega coins
cazalla: rather than big ass banner at top of site, which we tried earlier
cazalla: or better yet, we just scrap adverts all together and do trilema credits model
BingoBoingo thinks for now flashing square is fine. Lets people know someone was brave enough to advertise.
asciilifeform: (the original 'jewish puzzles' article quoted in earlier link: )
mircea_popescu: cazalla i get the idea, but i dun see that it's such a good idea, either for us or for them
mircea_popescu: maybe credits, but imo much too soon for that.
nubbins`: "Construct (with ruler and compass) a square given one point from each side."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` aka, diameter
mircea_popescu: there are of course a bunch of iterative solutions to this problem, but that's "with computer" not ruler&compass.
nubbins`: "Suppose A, B, C and D denote the points on the sides of the square, in order. Connect A and C. Draw a perpendicular from B to the segment AC. Let point D0 lie on the perpendicular given that the distance BD0 is the same as the length of AC. Then D0 belongs to the same side (or extension of the side) of the square as D. See Figure 14. Once we know from DD0 how the square is oriented, the rest is easy."
asciilifeform: if you can't 'draw' it in your head after reading this - drink less.
nubbins`: clever
asciilifeform: all the linked puzzles have this property.
asciilifeform: hence why they are memorable.
mircea_popescu: of course they do select for the best quality in mathematicians
mircea_popescu: which is, for lack of a different term, feminine guile.
asciilifeform: i prefer 'finesse'
mircea_popescu: as in pascal's esprit du finesse ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno. shooting a deer with a single bullet is finesse. taming it is a different thing.
asciilifeform: taming - engineer.
mircea_popescu: im unconvinced.
mircea_popescu: "1. Treacherous cunning; skillful deceit."
mircea_popescu: how can you argue with that ? it's *exactly* what it is.
asciilifeform: finesse: convince deer to shoot himself in the head with one bullet.
mircea_popescu: finesse is the ability to make mayonaise by hand. a practice, anyone can be taught it.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, granted, the classical terminology is geometry & finesse.
BingoBoingo: Marketing though is making a hand with mayonaise
nubbins`: the invisible mayo
mircea_popescu: Différence entre l'esprit de géométrie et l'esprit de finesse. - En l'un, les principes sont palpables, mais éloignés de l'usage commun ; de sorte qu'on a peine à tourner la tête de ce côté-là, manque d'habitude : mais, pour peu qu'on l'y tourne, on voit les principes à plein; et il faudrait avoir tout à fait l'esprit faux pour mal raisonner sur des principes si gros qu'il est presque impossible qu'ils éch
mircea_popescu: Mais, dans l'esprit de finesse, les principes sont dans l'usage commun et devant les yeux de tout le monde. On n'a que faire de tourner la tête, ni de se faire violence; il n'est question que d'avoir bonne vue, mais il faut l'avoir bonne; car les principes sont si déliés et en si grand nombre, qu'il est presque impossible qu'il n'en échappe. Or, l'omission d'un principe mène à l'erreur; ainsi, il faut avoir la vu
mircea_popescu: e bien nette pour voir tous les principes, et ensuite l'esprit juste pour ne pas raisonner faussement sur des principes connus.
mircea_popescu: Tous les géomètres seraient donc fins s'ils avaient la vue bonne, car ils ne raisonnent pas faux sur les principes qu'ils connaissent; et les esprits fins seraient géomètres s'ils pouvaient plier leur vue vers les principes inaccoutumés de géométrie.
mircea_popescu: this is imo a major contribution to western thought.
asciilifeform: no shit.
asciilifeform: incidentally, imho one of the best ways to learn about the character of someone you recently met, is to watch him solve puzzle.
mircea_popescu: no shit & no homo!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's why women invented dating.
asciilifeform: (or her!)
BingoBoingo: !up WolfGoethe
nubbins`: !up menahem
nubbins`: american apparel products have a superior printing surface
mircea_popescu: i shall file this nugget away in my archives of data.
nubbins`: (translation: "this conversation is logged")
BingoBoingo: !up Dr-G2
BingoBoingo: !up Dr-G3
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: hi, how goes the traffic?
mircea_popescu: "Congratulation, Transfer $50,000 has been today transferred the account, attached is the transfer copy ( proof of payment) for your view."
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Was poor yesterday, prolly because DNS DDoS
mircea_popescu: shit, if only the transfer weren't a zipfile, i could be 50k richer
asciilifeform: first national spam bank is best bank.
mircea_popescu: ugh, is quantcast down ?
BingoBoingo: Quantcast is slow.
mircea_popescu: well... if they're slow altogether like serving the js that may also account.
mircea_popescu: anyway, check it out, 248k round!
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Top Quarter million bitches!
mircea_popescu: internet's 1%!
assbot: Supply and Demand | Mopey ... ( )
thestringpuller: !up menahem
Vexual: did i read correctly qntra has actual income now?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Not yet. We are playing with the idea of a single ad
Vexual: ah cool
mircea_popescu: wait so it's free ?
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see this: << not being a lisp guy, I find it mystifying
assbot: reproducible builds - a month ahead of schedule ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Mostly to get an idea of what we find acceptable for ads, when we start getting solicitations for other ads
asciilifeform: decimation: what's the mystery here?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a revenue share thing, dunno its been up long enough to get clicked yet
Vexual: quantcast says your traffic is largely wealthy educated asians, thats some quality traffic
BingoBoingo: I know.
mircea_popescu: Vexual and politically active, non partisan, mega rich mega educated folk.
asciilifeform: decimation: 'sbcl' is a compiler. (a very spiffy compiler, that you can generally use in precisely the same ways folks used primitive interpreter-only lisps, but still a compiler.)
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much distilled trendsetters over there, no hipsters allowed.
asciilifeform: quantcase << i always wondered, where do these figures come from? sheep entrails?
asciilifeform: *quantcast
BingoBoingo: Prolly. Maybe from reading Angry Ram's turds
cazalla: mircea_popescu: wait so it's free ? <<< lol yes, not a paid placement, this is more a test anyway
mircea_popescu: you buncha shrewed negotiators you :D
BingoBoingo: Oh, wait till the Minzors approach with offers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i shall not dispute "statistics" that wildly favour my position.
cazalla: well, this is why i told Namworld to speak with you and that he did and was promptly sent back to me
decimation: yeah I get the fact that it is a compiler, but why would you want to use it to compile itself and then use the compiler to recreate the target lisp?
cazalla: the one advert makes it look like million dollar homepage so we may as well go full throttle now
asciilifeform: decimation: this was printed on the crate! determinism.
mircea_popescu: lol temperance my good man, is the whorish mother of all riches.
asciilifeform: decimation: also the argument that no programming system is really 'adult' unless it can swallow its own tail without gagging.
decimation: yeah this test automatically fails C and its descendants
BingoBoingo: Well, ad nao has more modest sidebar placement. Don't want to seem like too cheap a hooker when second potential advertiser wants to negotiate
asciilifeform: decimation: nah. very basic test. 'c' builds with self.
decimation: but can it synthesize c after compiling? I suppose it could
asciilifeform: decimation: this one wasn't self-comprehension or any 'fancy' magic of the sort. just elementary question of 'does x compiler build with self'
decimation: ah okay, I was thinking the former
asciilifeform: ;;isup
gribble: is up
asciilifeform: ;;isup down
gribble: down is up
mircea_popescu: lolsrsly ?
decimation: ;;isup what
gribble: what is up
cazalla: qntra down here for me too
cazalla: decimation, got any supdog?
thestringpuller: did qntra just go down?
thestringpuller: still up for me
mircea_popescu: i see it too, who's to know.
mircea_popescu: !up alevin
decimation: down for me
TomServo: same here
mircea_popescu: TomServo decimation is this a matter of you not resolving the domain ? what's dig say ?
decimation: let me try
TomServo: resolves to
decimation: yeah resolves the same here
mircea_popescu: that'd be correct. hum.
cazalla: fuck it, i'm over it, gonna put a rabbit in the pan
BingoBoingo: Not the black one yet, May need more pics for Qntra branding
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: I mean look at that twitter avatar
assbot: Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter ... ( )
mircea_popescu: well i dunno about you good folk, but various wp comment spammers still manage to dutifully connect, propose their post crud, get the required 500 and so on.
BingoBoingo: Yeah they do
mircea_popescu: lol location @la serenissima, nice
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcon Fundation cant pay for what it needs because it has 57.875 BTC left from 5,878.222 BTC raised."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic.
asciilifeform: nah, 5000 but reserved for coke.
mircea_popescu: "why mp keep saying vessenes be stealing!!!! mp is such bad!!!"
mircea_popescu: "o noes vessenes stoled!! WHO COULD HAS PREDIKT!!!"
mircea_popescu: "clearly bitcoin needs moar technologiez! brb making shartup"
mircea_popescu: it gets so old this shit...
Vexual: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <jurov> lol The20YearIRCloud you'll soon get sizable chunk of ohio
Vexual: sounds cokey
mircea_popescu: ;;isup
gribble: is up
mircea_popescu: well it's down for me, parallel universes.
mircea_popescu: nao it loaded.
kakobrekla: didnt do anything
BingoBoingo: OMG NSA, let's burn the computers and teletype baudot on the 160 meter band
mircea_popescu: you winked didn'tcha ?
kakobrekla: no i was still O_O
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: got the poster nubbins << no fucking way, i had so much $$$ riding against this!11
mircea_popescu: *: TomServo ducks. << yes.
mircea_popescu: otherthings would also apply, but that's aside.
BingoBoingo: !up RetroUpriser
mircea_popescu: heh i mean "yes would apply". not that ducking's bad policy generally.
mircea_popescu: MissShibe: Hi all, if anyone has lost money in Moolah / Cryptsy we are working on a class action lawsuit against Ryan Kennedy. <<< because "class action" suits exist for the purpose of allowing a bunch of derps to not have to pay anything in civil claims against individuals now.
mircea_popescu: that's TOTALLY how that works.
mircea_popescu: "your honor, we seek class action status for our suit here" "who is the defendant ?" "some guy"
mircea_popescu: judge falls over.
xanthyos: ;;rate alevin 2 Known thorugh EFNet channels nearly a decade. "Seinfeld" expert. Buddhism aspirant.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user alevin has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: there can be no other seinfeld expert! who is this challenger!
Vexual: hey, we got al jolson here!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell missshibe hey, maybe instead of a class action suit against random bankrupt derp, you could organise a comet landing against him ? at least it'd be a novel novelty item...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: what the fuck even is moolah?
kakobrekla: buddhism is scam wiht nice css
asciilifeform: moolah << chumpatronium
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no it's not, i met tons of bangin' buddhist chicks.
kakobrekla: bangin.
Vexual: yeah, but you read the old languages
mircea_popescu: it's legit pizdolosophy.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
danielpbarron: ;;rate alevin 2 boring mental case that fetishizes abstinence
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user alevin has been recorded.
kakobrekla: jesus is also scam
kakobrekla: but with poor css
Vexual: about this wide
kakobrekla ducks for the rocks
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Jesus wasn't a scam till Peter and Paul got into a fight over marketing and royalties. made good tables.
BingoBoingo: A++ Carpenter
mircea_popescu: i hear his tables were leanin'.
BingoBoingo: Well, he had to break them in with Ms Magadaline
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00043 = 12.599 BTC [+]
xanthyos: thanks
BingoBoingo: So interesting advertising match made in hell I spotted on the interwebz. Gawker Media and Weatherby rifles.
mircea_popescu: punkman: nah not UK, some shithole in south-east europe << wait srsly ?! i always figured you for a brit.
mircea_popescu: what shithole, like bulgaria ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously behold the liberals shilling for botique rifle
assbot: The Simple Math of Why Smaller Bullets Are Deadlier ... ( )
punkman: mircea_popescu: griechenland
mircea_popescu: *: ben_vulpes flaps more << i have nfi what he's on about either, if that helps anything.
mircea_popescu: punkman i thought greece was all cool and shit.
punkman: that was a long time ago
mircea_popescu has known 3 greek chicks. splendid butts, each of 'em.
Vexual: aesthetic skills never lost
BingoBoingo: Greeks get their butts from Armenia
mircea_popescu: i thought turkey.
Vexual: calamari skills too
mircea_popescu: the turks reproduced through anal intercourse with their womenz for all of the renaissance
mircea_popescu: and so they... adapted ?
asciilifeform: 'a woman - for duty, a boy - for pleasure, but a melon - for ecstasy.' -- turkish proverb
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Turks got their butts from Armenia too, that's why they had to genocide the men
mircea_popescu has never had armenian butts.
punkman: poor armenians
BingoBoingo: Isn't that what Kim is
mircea_popescu: well yeah but how did i have kim.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, a melon what, stabbed threateningly ?
decimation: I got a qntra page with a link
asciilifeform: porked vigorously
mircea_popescu: what url were you loading ?
asciilifeform wasn't there, did not see proverb in action
decimation: the home page
decimation: it could have been malformed I suppose
mircea_popescu: i bet you thought you were pretty smart didja! but your gig is up nao!!
kakobrekla: same here btw
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, for some reason it thinks you're molesting it.
kakobrekla: i think it cached locally
assbot: | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary ... ( )
decimation: can't get there now
assbot: A Free* Bitcoin ATM Machine For Suitable Hosts | ... ( )
decimation: the only reason I noticed is because noscript fired off something
decimation: yeah it is something in my browser cache
decimation: on one computer when I try to go to the "ABE" noscript warning pops up blocking a get to
decimation: instantly (from cache)
decimation: on another computer it just hangs
kakobrekla: anyway /a works here
mircea_popescu: decimation it redirects what it considers hostile traffix to
mircea_popescu: obviously it shouldn't trigger like that.
decimation: interesting
decimation: ah now it just came up (/a) without the error
decimation: maybe I was hitting reload too many times
mircea_popescu: it's an approximation not a science this thing.
decimation: indeed.
TomServo: I'm getting it also.
punkman: I wonder if banning datacenter/cloud/etc IPs would work
mircea_popescu: anyway, typical usecase is : Host: / Http Code: 301Date: Nov 20 23:05:07Http Version: HTTP/1.1Size in Bytes: 225 Referer: - Agent: WordPress/3.9.1;; verifying pingback from
kakobrekla: yes kako saves the day
nubbins`: sweet
nubbins`: this is better than free condoms
kakobrekla: see ddoser now ddos /a
kakobrekla: dont worry idiot, we will just use /b
mircea_popescu: lmao wut ?
asciilifeform just lost all 4 ccfl tubes in favourite lcd
asciilifeform: ferfuckssake.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you try to melon them ?
decimation: sucks
nubbins`: c'est un bummer
asciilifeform: if 8+ yrs of 14h/d burn is 'meloning' - yes.
decimation: replaces with high-intensity blue led, never sleep again
BingoBoingo is now reaping the rewards of most badass candle upgrade ever
mircea_popescu: decimation i had to tape over the fucking display lights on my ac here
mircea_popescu: because it's new, and these idiots with the leds are like out of fucking control in their quest for laser beams.
decimation: yeah I can 'see' blue leds through my closed eyes
mircea_popescu: it shone right through 3-4 layers of ductape
decimation: in the sense that they disturb my sleep
nubbins`: lose the quotes off the see
BingoBoingo: Blue light will make you go blind
mircea_popescu: eventually i taped a businesscard in there. 1/16th inch of cardboard did it.
decimation: there are many studies coming out that tend to point to blue light exposure as being really bad for sleep
nubbins`: i've got a small 12-channel mixer i use for live shows that I had to putty over the power led (blue)
asciilifeform: it being indicator for 'daylight' - yes, bad sleep
nubbins`: literally so bright you couldn't read the knobs on a dark stage
thestringpuller: lol nubbins` i'm framing your poster
nubbins`: atta boy
nubbins`: it's a special one
thestringpuller: special edition
thestringpuller: it has to flatten out first
nubbins`: no doubt
thestringpuller: good quality though. it'll go in the office
mircea_popescu: ;;google i am the great cornholio
gribble: "I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO!" - YouTube: <>; Beavis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Urban Dictionary: cornholio: <>
mircea_popescu: somehow never gets old.
thestringpuller: YES!!!!!!!!!!
thestringpuller: Gimme t-p for my bungholio
thestringpuller: never would take you for a beavis and butthead fan mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: << upper right hand corner - gone.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( )
asciilifeform: and it'll be a bitch to swap. like disassembling a pipe organ.
mod6: let's go over to stewert's houes and break stuff
thestringpuller: todd is so cool!
decimation: asciilifeform: replace with trinitron!
mircea_popescu: one day termites came to asciilifeform's house
mircea_popescu: but then they gazed upon his great architectural achievements
mircea_popescu: and left in shame.
asciilifeform: decimation: i'd love to replace all 4 with trinitrons. but gave up after the umpteenth 'yes i promise it isn't burnt' and faded tube.
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: decimation: virginal trinitrons may be extinct.
decimation: I dumped my mostly burnt one in the local dump years ago
kakobrekla: i gave away mine.
kakobrekla: was still ok
mircea_popescu: punishment for your soul ?
kakobrekla: me? i did worse things.
asciilifeform just dug out a 'radiforce g21' from emergency stash, but fears it may be too heavy for the hoist
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
assbot: Cyber-Butt - YouTube ... ( )
mircea_popescu: clearly, mike judge invented buttcoins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.09 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 268 @ 0.00650042 = 1.7421 BTC [-] {9}
decimation: asciilifeform: you should buy a stack of plasma displays
decimation: if they even make them anymore
asciilifeform: decimation: so it can fade in six months? yuck.
mircea_popescu: if you talk him into building his own vacuum tube i'm like negging you.
decimation: asciilifeform: today I was in usb driver hell, and then something occurred to me
decimation: are you going to pay the $5k fee for a vid/pid for cardano?
asciilifeform: phun phact. symbolics corp. had to contract to have tubes blown specially for lisp machine, as properly high-res crt was not available off the shelf
asciilifeform: 1270x951, iirc.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Samsung plasma monitors sold as TV's seem to have good longevity. Just need to sit at a distanc
asciilifeform: sold as tv -> triangular pixels -> yuck
decimation: I'm not sure they make plasma displays meant for computer
asciilifeform: decimation: 5k fee >> what do you think.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I know the answer I was just taunting you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40246 @ 0.0004301 = 17.3098 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: I think ftdi will give you a pid off of their vid if you use their chip
asciilifeform: decimation: what do you think the answer to that is.
decimation: would never use shitgnomery
asciilifeform: cardano vid/pid - user-configurable. put that in pipe & smoke it.
decimation: Imma gonna use microsoft
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we might get sued!
xanthyos: << it's not really the gif that's animated, it's your brain.
Vexual: im frightened of the filename
asciilifeform: user recommended to use vid from defunct co.
asciilifeform: or favourite chinese crapflash.
asciilifeform: decimation: phun phact about that list. i've mailed them pid/vids from devices not seen therein (legit, golden toilets) and it was never included.
decimation: here's the official tollbooth
assbot: - Getting a Vendor ID ... ( )
decimation: $5k one time, or for you today, $4k per year!
cazalla: mr rabbit in rabbit form do you see?! mr rabbit changing, reborn! do you see?!
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( )
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( )
decimation: asciilifeform: I wonder if the linux-usb guys only accept 'official' pids
asciilifeform: decimation: official ?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Ok, Mr Red Dragon
decimation: paid $5k
asciilifeform: decimation: ah but it was.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i only wish i had tomatoes :\
asciilifeform: decimation: just one not featured in the list, because afaik i was the first to ever plug the damn thing into a linux box
asciilifeform: and possibly no one has since.
asciilifeform: (device was a 'tecan evo 200')
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I kind of wish you would have cooked it in a little rabbit wheelchair like Phillip Seymore Hoffman
decimation: yeah, they probably just didn't believe you
asciilifeform: ;;google tecan evo 200
decimation: wireshark usb sniffing is very handy I've discovered as well
asciilifeform neglected to tell the surprising part of the dead lcd story - that replacing a side screen is a royal bitch on account of virtually all extant lcd being worthless in terms of poor vertical view angle tolerance
punkman: I want one of those square LCDs EIZO announced
BingoBoingo: Plasma
assbot: Eizo's Square Shaped FlexScan EV2730Q Monitor Features a 1920x1920 Resolution | Maximum PC ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Only 720p, but... move the wall back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.09 = 1.53 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: And yes, moving the wall further back is prolly more cost effective than finding an adequate monitor
assbot: Hossein Derakhhshan (@h0d3r) | Twitter ... ( )
decimation: asciilifeform: is that why you flip them vertically (better horizontal view angle)?
decimation: BingoBoingo: I like the 1:1 aspect ratio
decimation: I note that it is more popular on many tech forums to openly discuss ditching linux in favor of a 'unix' clone
decimation: for some reason no one brings up solaris very often
BingoBoingo: Solaris intoduces hell often trying to hunt drivers for a civilian machine
← 2014-11-19 | 2014-11-21 →