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asciilifeform: walk in cities and drive a car << iirc, in usa this gives an otherwise-immortal fellow about 500 years 'MTBF'.
asciilifeform: (given an eternal - or at least 'thousand-year' reich, naturally)
asciilifeform: !s millimort
mircea_popescu: odd, i recall this being discussed
asciilifeform: where is it
mircea_popescu: !s micromort
asciilifeform: there we go.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2014 02:50:58; asciilifeform: chetty_: russian roulette, ~143,000 micromorts.
decimation: asciilifeform: we humans are bad at judging small risk
asciilifeform: what, precisely, are 'we' good at judging ?
decimation: when our stomachs need filling
BingoBoingo: <decimation> when our stomachs need filling << I dunno, have you seen youtube?
mircea_popescu: we're excellent at judging which hole.
BingoBoingo: Is that a preemie or an abortus?
BingoBoingo: I mean you never know what gets taxidermy anymore
[]bot: Bet created: "Russian Ruble to collapse to 60 RUB or more per USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/1066/
decimation: asciilifeform: wouldn't our immortal-with-a-weakness face even chances of death in 5000 years (assuming 10 in 100000 accident deaths)
BingoBoingo: Bittorrent is a weird game
BingoBoingo: Bittorrent has to be the worst place to go to download the classics, if only it wasn't the only place
BingoBoingo: Lol phishing http://dpaste.com/10N9A33 << cazalla mircea_popescu
assbot: dpaste: 10N9A33
cazalla: BingoBoingo, legit actually, i make backups with cpanel which makes some 100mb archive but i didn't delete em
BingoBoingo: Sh....
cazalla: and your email is listed as the contact for when a backup is complete, i do em manually by ftp and phpmyadmin too
BingoBoingo: The thing is... Other my email is listed. Looks more like spear fisherman.
BingoBoingo: Well, wasn't five zero two
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00059963 = 4.9769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00059963 = 13.5816 BTC [-]
bounce: ``Andrew Lewman, executive director of the Tor Project, which runs the service, said in an e-mail that it does not condone its use for illegal purposes and that it was unclear how authorities discovered the operators of the illicit sites.'' -- yet even the usg promotes its use to explicitly break the law in other countries. funny how that works.
BingoBoingo: Sounds a lot like the definition of terrorism
bounce: http://threatpost.com/digicert-considering-certs-for-hidden-services-beyond-facebook/109222 << facebook the gold standard of .onion certificate assurance now.
assbot: DigiCert Considering Certs for Hidden Services | Threatpost | The first stop for security news
BingoBoingo wonders why rare bittorrents suck so hard
dignork: bounce: proposition of CA issued cert for tor hidden service still puzzles me, next stop - yellow pages for black market vendors
punkman: hidden service is supposed to provide end to end encryption , isn't it
BingoBoingo: dignork: Yellow pages might not be so bad.
BingoBoingo: punkbot: Well, remember that Debian bug circa 2006
dignork: punkman: yes, but in theory signed ssl cert provides some identity validation. Although the same can be achieved by gpg signed .onion address.
bounce: the onion address is governed by a private key, so no real chance of impersonation -- as long as you check the complete onion address
punkman: I wonder how many machines they used to find the vanity .onion
bounce: so the problem they're trying to solve by throwing a threadbare industry best current practice at it is to add some special "it's us, honest!"-sauce to link facebook.com and $facebook.onion
BingoBoingo: But... OMGWTFBBQ.509 is not a WOT
bounce: ... and do so in a way that makes your browser bar turn a nice comforting colour
BingoBoingo: Honestly the default "comforting colors seem as shady as fuck
BingoBoingo wonders why paladin press torrents are such shitty downloads, wishes for a Paladin Press takeover by S.QNTR, eventually
bounce: the whole industry is made out of "well we needed to do something, so we made up this thing. now everybody must do this thing, too.", starting with the CA root certs
BingoBoingo: <bounce> the whole industry is made out of "well we needed to do something, so we made up this thing. now everybody must do this thing, too.", starting with the CA root certs << Well, hookers invented something
BingoBoingo appologizes, had no idea bittorrent was so slow in the event a person wants to download something the slightest bit interesting
BingoBoingo: So how sad is it that "planet of the apes" is the most probabale failure mode for homo erectus descendants
cazalla: very little news around, read this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/ .. where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before?
assbot: ‘Bitcoin is Teaching Realism to Libertarians': An Interview With Old-School Cypherpunk Vinay Gupta
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0005999 = 13.8577 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;isup bitbet.com
gribble: bitbet.com is up
jurov: ;;isup bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is down
assbot: lcamtuf's blog: Pulling JPEGs out of thin air
jurov: likely it won't figure crypto in any reasonable timeframe, but otherwise..hmmm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00059889 = 11.6484 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059889 / 0.00062408 / 0.00068112 (613140 shares, 382.65 BTC), 7D: 0.00059889 / 0.00071975 / 0.00079259 (3534752 shares, 2,544.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059889 / 0.0007431 / 0.00081111 (24039298 shares, 17,863.80 BTC)
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC)
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00000000 B (Total: 0.00 B). Delta: 0.00 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059889 / 0.00062408 / 0.00068112 (613140 shares, 382.65 BTC), 7D: 0.00059889 / 0.00071975 / 0.00079259 (3534752 shares, 2,544.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059889 / 0.0007431 / 0.00081111 (24039298 shares, 17,863.80 BTC)
Adlai: jurov: likely it won't figure crypto in any reasonable timeframe << "figure"?
jurov: i meant "figure out"
Adlai: looking at how afl works, it seems to have zero effectiveness for [good] crypto
Adlai: it's only useful for this jpeg nonsense because it's able to "evolve" the format due to early branches in djpeg
Adlai: no assbot don't... shit, too late
jurov rolls eyes
assbot: lcamtuf's blog: Bash bug: the other two RCEs, or how we chipped away at the original fix (CVE-2014-6277 and '78)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14638 @ 0.00059889 = 8.7666 BTC [-]
PeterL: ;;later tell pete_dushenski sorry about missing your blog, looks like scoopbot crashed before you posted it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: goood mornin'.
jurov: hello
jurov: rofl
jurov: !up HFSPLUS
HFSPLUS: whats up everyone?
EXT4: yo
jurov: mopst are afk today
jurov: hi reiser4
EXT4: lol murderfs hans reiser is in jaul
EXT4: !s hans reiser
jurov: we dont mention him by full name
jurov: and next time read teh rules
jurov: !up DreadKnight
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: mpex corps will announce wtf to do with this at the end of the month.
mircea_popescu: cazalla pls to gazette
jurov: quite a bombshell, the past para
mircea_popescu: these things always are :)
jurov: *last
bounce: needs more fmt(1)
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?
mircea_popescu: i write my shit by hand!
mircea_popescu: (your browser should have a fit-to-screen option. and generally, formatting should be done locally not fucking up the document with spuriousness)
bounce disagrees. 80 cols for the ages.
jurov: well, everyone is lazy and just throws text into <pre>
jurov: let the browser format the text and offer raw text for download
mircea_popescu: bounce i hate nothing more than downloading a "text" document and instead getting a "text+markup that's identical to text and only works on obsolete machinery anyway"
jurov: yes, hard-pre-wrapped text is hard to work with
mircea_popescu: then i have to run it through complex fucking awk to make it sane again
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 15W7cVuzjXHvVqw6vcySq6jr9qq8Kv9SCH | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15W7cVuz
bounce has awk to put the overly long lines into something comfortably readable. screens may get bigger and bigger, but the comfy line length doesn't change
jurov: just resize the window?
mircea_popescu: and is magically the same for everyone ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i think i read about 110
mircea_popescu: may be related to what books one grew up reading.
jurov: on portable device, one may leed less than 80
mircea_popescu: usually yes.
mircea_popescu: bounce in any case, consider that putting a \n every 80th character is a lot easier than extracting spurious \ns
bounce: oh I don't know that. if the lines get long enough things get "interesting" in a hurry
bounce: smtp and 998 characters, for example
mircea_popescu: its still buggy ?!
jurov: irc and 400 characters :D
mircea_popescu: 123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b12
mircea_popescu: 3456789c123456789d123456789e
bounce: 510 actually, but including :you@your.host.whatever PRIVMSG #channel
mircea_popescu: i imagine ba-ircd will use 1024 or something.
mircea_popescu: this is a little narrow.
jurov: i supported 4096B http headers in ziproxy
jurov: users bitched
jurov: it ended up 4M
bounce: per line? that sounds a little excessive.
assbot: Ziproxy - Contact
jurov: yes that
jurov: but twas 10 years ago, it has new maintainer since
jurov: iirc some sites sent insane megabyte cookies
mircea_popescu: those sites not functioning sounds like a blessing.
assbot: american-fuzzy-lop - A practical, instrumentation-driven fuzzer for binary formats - Google Project Hosting
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: The thing is... Other my email is listed. Looks more like spear fisherman. << nah actually looks legit.
mircea_popescu: dignork: bounce: proposition of CA issued cert for tor hidden service still puzzles me, next stop - yellow pages for black market vendors << nah, it's quite obvious, BingoBoingo has it : us sponsored terrorism.
mircea_popescu: "those people's laws aren't really laws, our laws are really laws".
mircea_popescu: bounce: ... and do so in a way that makes your browser bar turn a nice comforting colour << that.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? << heh. and they mention it, too, because they're cultured and stuff. o.O
mircea_popescu: jurov: and next time read teh rules << uh what'd i miss ?
jurov: i think he got devoiced due to nick changes
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets is best alternate reality game
kakobrekla: also best shell
mircea_popescu: yea srsly.
ben_vulpes: #!/irc/#bitcoin-assets
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: why do you put a space before semicolons?
ben_vulpes: and colons?
mircea_popescu: for visibility.
mircea_popescu: (and question marks)
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: o hai asciilifeform
asciilifeform: where do i 'hancock'
mircea_popescu: well, sign the text put it in the deeds
asciilifeform: gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.)
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
ben_vulpes: my own execution warrant.
mircea_popescu: lol, hey, gotta go somehow.
mircea_popescu: better than a car crash.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION OF - Pastebin.com
punkbot: asciilifeform: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: sooo where are these nude photos of Miss Teen USA 2013 ?
ben_vulpes: perhaps some bezzletrons will satisfy? http://twicsy.com/i/r84UNf
assbot: _lauradfbennett : Re-united with my bezzletrons http://t.co/yMXHkT5m5q | Twicsy - Twitter Picture Discovery
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ?
ben_vulpes shrugs
chetty: is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy?
ben_vulpes: .help
punkbot: ben_vulpes: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
ben_vulpes: .help deed
punkbot: ben_vulpes: (deed [url]) -- the bot will search [url] for signed deeds and queue them.
ben_vulpes: .help list
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Error: There is no command "list".
ben_vulpes: .list
ben_vulpes: i recall doing this before...
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1HAMmA7Zb6815zGB4A977B7pcvog78zsWD | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1HAMmA7Z
jurov: .help help
punkbot: jurov: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
punkman: chetty: is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy? << it's just one command!
assbot: dpaste: 1366QWC
punkbot: BingoBoingo: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
BingoBoingo: qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/
thestringpuller: I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model
thestringpuller: or structure profits to make donations
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/flashback-gavin-andresen/
ben_vulpes: i don't think that dating these things is necessary. they embed in the blockchain, after all.
ben_vulpes: ;;rate jurov 4
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 4.
Pierre_Rochard: “pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised” <- Is this tax on profit or revenues?
ben_vulpes: how does a tax on revenues make any sense?
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard ^^
ben_vulpes: imagine the pathological case where an operation's barely scraping by with margins of, oh let's just say 0.1%.
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: both tax on revenues and tax on profits have their pros and cons. So I’m assuming the answer to my question is that it’s a tax on profits
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: okay so indulge me, because i know nothing about the pros and cons of taxation: what are the benefits of taxing revenues?
assbot: Local Police CAN Arrest Federal Agents: It just happened in Salt Lake City | Tenth Amendment Center
Pierre_Rochard: off the top of my head: (1) avoid companies playing games with expenses to minimize taxable profits (2) widen the base to unprofitable and break-even companies (why should they be indirectly subsidized by profitable companies)
BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe
Pierre_Rochard: for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably)
Pierre_Rochard: yet they’re*
ben_vulpes: profitless companies don't really fly in la serenissima. yet, at least.
ben_vulpes: and in any case, those tithing will make the call on their own.
bounce: you know, first time I see this thing is it getting signed.
bounce: bit of a bummer, I'd say.
Pierre_Rochard: noted, just curiousity from my inner accountant
assbot: The #bitcoin-assets deed system pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: bounce: you want discussion of it? a wiki?
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model << bitcoin corps, basically.
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> “pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised” <- Is this tax on profit or revenues? << profit
mircea_popescu: * BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes.
bounce: "your mother dresses you funny". there, all done.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> bit of a bummer, I'd say. << whyssat ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> * BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes. << Get nubbins' to print them!
mircea_popescu: you mean we all wear silkscreens ?!
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard> for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably) << i dunno how that is supposed to stand. if they're not making a profit then their users are deriving all the benefit.
bounce: you don't get why that's a bummer? that's really bad.
mircea_popescu: why should they pay.
mircea_popescu: bounce explain it to me like i were five!
bounce: actually, no. certainly not now.
mircea_popescu: well whenever you feel like o.O
ben_vulpes: it's just an alternate reality game yo
ben_vulpes: CHAPTER TWO: IN WHICH THE USIANS LOSE THEIR HEADS
BingoBoingo: Silkscreening is what makes the robes weird
Apocalyptic: "That's absurd. The whole Lavabit episode actually indicates how strong the CA infrastructure really is", hearn
Apocalyptic: that's hilarious
mircea_popescu: what else would you have him say ?
Apocalyptic: something less stupid ?
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin price falls on Bitcoin Black Friday" http://bitbet.us/bet/1067/
mircea_popescu: not an easy task, finding such among the pile at his disposal.
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1AsyzbGxFiV3RxtEXumhFG1byvpiU37L6j | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1AsyzbGx
BingoBoingo: Also qntra traffic up again, time to hire! https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
mircea_popescu: hehe check that out!
kakobrekla: dude, ddos doesnt count
BingoBoingo: WHy not?
BingoBoingo: DDoS counts if it reads while doing it
mircea_popescu: i don't think quantcast counts ddos
[]bot: Bet created: "JoePA gets his wins back" http://bitbet.us/bet/1068/
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Your dividend payment for S. - Pastebin.com
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 2 valid deeds for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: punkbot status
punkbot: mircea_popescu: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 43 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: punkman can the punkbot skip the pgp header all the way to the next \n after "Hash:" ?
mircea_popescu: and can it put say 32 bytes so obtained off each deed in a " ; " separated list that it pastes here ?
mircea_popescu: and can it also use the first line as the title of the document always, so the "Title: " magic words are no longer needed in deeds ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31468 @ 0.00055921 = 17.5972 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up deed_noob|97959
mircea_popescu: that's a new one.
[]bot: Bet created: "Ban on Reddit BTC tip bot Changetip" http://bitbet.us/bet/1069/
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/hashfast-to-liquidate/
assbot: Screenwipe - Idea - YouTube
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 19c63aCJM1qKa7mTSBpso1zUVUACpEM6NP | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19c63aCJ
mircea_popescu: punkbot balance
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01383 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 125 more bundles.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla pls to gazette <<< looks like BingoBoingo did so while i was sleeping
[]bot: Bet created: "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/
[]bot: Bet created: "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q2 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1071/
assbot: There should be, ideally, a qntra for every topic, where experts simply tell the truth, plainly, in form and style. Would people get it?
BingoBoingo: ^ Feedback
mircea_popescu: if only we had that many experts.
RagnarDanneskjol: deednoon|(somerandomnumber) must be someone who logged in from deedbot.com irc web client fyi
thestringpuller: ;;ud Philosopher's Legacy
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+Philosophers+Legacy | The men and women who were involved in The Philosopher's Legacy were also known as the Twelve Wisemen's Committee, the Patriots, or the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo.
punkbot: chetty: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I'll make it grab, say the first 100 chars on the first line and use that for titles.
punkman: and what about announcing titles here
punkman: when bundle is made?
mircea_popescu: i would think take out the "bundle made" thing entirely
mircea_popescu: and only announce when tx'd.
punkman: yeah ok, was more useful before the website existed
punkman: will just announce confirms
mircea_popescu: you can have it pm if you want for debug purposes or w/e, but otherwise kind-of redundant in chan
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055921 / 0.00059478 / 0.000603 (235238 shares, 139.92 BTC), 7D: 0.00055921 / 0.00071558 / 0.00078536 (3467149 shares, 2,481.04 BTC), 30D: 0.00055921 / 0.00074278 / 0.00081111 (24002339 shares, 17,828.57 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120000 @ 0.00057053 = 68.4636 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: PeterL hey listen, can you make a website for the scoopbot bot ? put it under blogs.bitcoin-assets.com liek before ?
mircea_popescu: i think pankkake published the code he was using somewhere
PeterL: mircea_popescu: sure, it is something I was planning to do soon
PeterL: ;;rate kakobrekla 2 bitbet, assbot, etc
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 19BXLtDe1FQC1FSVpSpYwG1RXTvL3k5hzW | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19BXLtDe
PeterL: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 https://twitter.com/danielpbarron seems like a nice guy, calls out scammers
assbot: Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) on Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
Adlai: "absolved from all allegiance to any entity… is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation"
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu heres buttcoin hosting https://coinshost.com/en/
asciilifeform: took 20 or so seconds to load
asciilifeform: not encouraging.
asciilifeform: i don't remember what other people wanted, but i would like a hosting vendor who is in wot.
kakobrekla: seems like their page is bit broked
kakobrekla: makes some bad requests
asciilifeform: no wot presence, no symptoms of actually working tech. what's the appeal then ?
kakobrekla: i did not claim appeal
kakobrekla: below it sez >Proudly brought to you by Incloudibly.
asciilifeform: 'If you don’t like the Bitcoin Foundation, you could start a new one, right? Sure, absolutely. Just like you could start a new river Thames. Have a shovel. Start digging.' << lol!
kakobrekla: only noticed now
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is it any good ?
kakobrekla: incloudibly ? i think they are the ones that down allow irc bots
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who's the idiot ?
assbot: Logged on 08-11-2014 08:25:40; cazalla: very little news around, read this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/ .. where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before?
mircea_popescu: scams as geological features now, what's next, libertardism as a natural satellite ?
mircea_popescu: oh, gupta. mkay. who asked him anything or w/e.
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> "absolved from all allegiance to any entity… is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation" << you gotta re-read.
punkman: suppose everyone in assbot wot signs the declaration. doesn't make too much sense to keep 450 copies of the same document.
mircea_popescu: why not ?
Adlai: what exactly did i miss?
mircea_popescu: disk space and bw increase at 100% a year yo.
mircea_popescu: Adlai : "absolved from all allegiance to any entity ; if you pay this much no one can ask for more"
punkman: well even if I keep 450 copies, would be nice to detect it and present a special page with the document and a list of signatures
mircea_popescu: punkbot suppose 200 of those people sign subtly different versions.
punkman: well that's that
Adlai: mircea_popescu: "is to pay" is a stronger statement than "if you pay, ..."
mircea_popescu: besides you know, they prolly go in different bundles, and in general, it's not the signature that's subordinate to the document, but the other way around
mircea_popescu: Adlai exactly.
assbot: Hacker Dreams Up Crypto Passport Using the Tech Behind Bitcoin | WIRED
mircea_popescu: punkman https://blockchain.info/address/1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny << seem you got the url, and also check it out, regularly spent!
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny
punkman: mircea_popescu: oh good
joecool: oh cool it hooks into blockchain.info now, very nice
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
punkman: the bundle txs are unspent, if that's what you meant
asciilifeform: (re: the idiot 'passport' thing)
mircea_popescu: punkman no, they're spent up to about yest ?
mircea_popescu: so someone's on it.
punkman: no that's the balance being spent for each next bundle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don;'t think the wired story has anything to do with anything. for one thing... they EXPIRE ?!?!?!
punkman: punkbot balance
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01372 BTC (0.05 unconfirmed), enough for 124 more bundles.
Adlai: well, people expire...
mircea_popescu: punkman 14r4VdZFYJnGG52B6w9Th7oKjGXU1pDzKX is spent say
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my first impression, it looked like some savage found a piece of our microscope left in the jungle
mircea_popescu: nah, not even that advance.d
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah just noticed, that's good
punkman: faucet incentivizes verification
asciilifeform: check out the shitgnomes in the comments. 'use keybase!'
mircea_popescu: punkman yuppers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform disqus is disabled here. no comments.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not missing much
punkman: I'm guessing nubbins` will be printing the first batch of La Serenissima passports ;)
mircea_popescu: but i mean the passport comes as a temp freenode:#bitcoin-otc:blabla string
punkman: well maybe novelty item then
asciilifeform: 'passport', if you must, is pubkey
asciilifeform: the rest, is merely proving that you have it.
mircea_popescu: well wait. identity is pubkey. the rest is the passport.
mircea_popescu: ie, proving you have it.
asciilifeform: that's a better formulation.
punkman: and signature of the kingdom>
assbot: ICAO Public Key Directory (PKD)
asciilifeform: ^ work of satan
asciilifeform: and guess who has master key.
mircea_popescu: but i mean ... they just reused the https crapolade.
mircea_popescu: it's not work of satan, it;'s work of whoever was the demon of sloth
asciilifeform: god of shit. sterculius.
asciilifeform: or... 'Hie thee to hell for shame, and leave the world, Thou cacodemon! There thy kingdom is.' (richard iii)
asciilifeform: (cacodemon, as seen in 'doom'.)
Adlai: passports as private key... remind me of some gag where a bitcoiner gets some "paper wallets" for his fiat account and discovers that his keys are printed in cleartext on every page
mircea_popescu: you mean like bank account numbers ?
assbot: So I went to open a checking account today...How these banks have stayed in business this long is beyond reason. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: fun story : romania's dictators had nfi that they will be shot. because srsly, who would shoot obama, and why ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: eventually, as things got out of control they ran off in a helicopter
mircea_popescu: the woman, being also a mother, took some money with her for her children.
mircea_popescu: these consisted of accounts drawn against the national (and only) bank
mircea_popescu: and the passwords were their names.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is in no way surprising.
mircea_popescu: one of those things only ever surprising in retrospect.
mircea_popescu: punkbot balance
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06372 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 579 more bundles.
asciilifeform: who would have dared to monkey with the tyrant's bank account when he was on the throne.
asciilifeform: and who gave half a rat's arse after.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, another fun story :
mircea_popescu: romanian defence minister got sent to russia on business, including to buy some fighter jets.
mircea_popescu: dictator-wife goes through dictator paperwork, wtf, why do "we" need planes.
mircea_popescu: guy decides not to buy planes anymoar.
mircea_popescu: aparatus desperately calls to moscow, pls to not sign anymore
asciilifeform: elena the 'chemist' ?
mircea_popescu: "too late". yes, her.
asciilifeform: al schwartz had many good elene c. stories
mircea_popescu: so it is decided that... fancy this... they'll simply not pay.
mircea_popescu: ie, ignor the matter altogether.
asciilifeform: the faux 'chemistry' really grated on him
mircea_popescu: at which point ppl are like wtf, this is some sort of a kindergarten act ?! who ever heard of this
mircea_popescu: (summer of 1989)
mircea_popescu: ftr, grep -v -f is atrociously ineffectual for large files.
mircea_popescu: is this for a good reason or just bad gnutella ?
asciilifeform: aside from the fundamentally bigger set ?
mircea_popescu: shouldn't grep -v -f (x rand(x)) y rand(y) be a function of x*y ?
mircea_popescu: this looks more like it's x^y or some shit.
Adlai: exceeding various cache sizes?
mircea_popescu: shouldn't it just tree the f ?
Adlai: pure speculation: it caches the list of -f patterns, then goes over the input lines, testing all patterns on each line. this would have a sharp performance drop as the patterns overflow caches.
asciilifeform: the fact that no one here is willing to answer this question by attempting to read the source, says something about the latter.
Adlai is busy worshipping sterculius
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you LOOKED at grep source ?
mircea_popescu: im not paying for a week of graybeard to go into its guts tyvm.
asciilifeform said this for a reason.
mircea_popescu: anyway, stercum means shit. sterculius sounds like the god of diarrhea
asciilifeform: ;;google sterculius
gribble: Sterquilinus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterquilinus>; STERCULIUS - the Roman God of Manure (Roman mythology): <http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/roman-mythology.php?deity=STERCULIUS>; Urban Dictionary: Sterculius: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sterculius>
asciilifeform forgets where and how
Adlai: indeed, i'd like to deal with at most one turd at a time
punkman: here's a thought: .sign AQLSTVsF http://paste.com/detached_sig.txt
punkman: it just goes in as a regular deed, but punkbot knows how to verify sig
punkman: (where AQLSTVsF, any deed id)
punkman: and btw, you can even post binary data as deed with :gpg --sign --armor
punkman: could allow larger limit for teh lords
punkman: (32kb currently)
assbot: Feds Begin Their Crackdown on Bitcoin Stocks | WIRED
asciilifeform: '...a crackdown that could affect promising Bitcoin 2.0 projects such as Ethereum, MaidSafe, and Counterparty.'
asciilifeform: and the verbiage is straight from last week's turds
punkman: "Keirns was doing what came naturally. He had a business idea, and he created a fund."
mircea_popescu: punkman so basically what, it verifies an alt-sig for the body of a prev deed ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, because the scams hadn't already been cracked down upon a year ago, right here.
mircea_popescu: the insanity is strong with these guys.
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah, I'd sign your raw deed, then send detached sig to bot
mircea_popescu: so how does it publish it ?
mircea_popescu: and where does it put it ?
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
punkman: the detached sig becomes the body of a new deed, included in bundles as usual
asciilifeform: not 'insanity' as such, just very arduously pretending that we don't exist.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate wired -1 such horribru coverage from the it kindergarten fishwrapper.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user wired has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ow shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate
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mircea_popescu: jesus the wot is packed so thight you can't even throw a rock at the swamp without hitting someone
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate wired
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for wired.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, "we're ~cracking down~ dontcha know, notwithstanding that we have no authority. this activity without effect could nevertheless which could affect scams we sponsored to try and destroy this thing but it didn't work out".
mircea_popescu: such false->anything->anything->anything genius.
mircea_popescu: punkman so how would a 3rd party verify the contentless signature is anything ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00058756 = 11.5749 BTC [+]
punkman: mircea_popescu: I guess referenced deed id is included along with detached sig
mircea_popescu: so then what was the benefit ?
mircea_popescu: srsly, it's good as it is, no need fixing.
mircea_popescu: the fact that thew system offers a strong guarantee that any deed can be verified in 1 step is valuable.
mircea_popescu: that value needn't be squandered.
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately, earnings reported in corporate financial statements are no longer the dominant variable that determines whether there are any real earnings for you, the owner. For only gains in purchasing power represent real earnings on investment. If you (a) forego ten hamburgers to purchase an investment; (b) receive dividends which, after tax, buy two hamburgers; and (c) receive, upon sale of your holdings, aft
mircea_popescu: er-tax proceeds that will buy eight hamburgers, then (d) you have had no real income from your investment, no matter how much it appreciated in dollars. You may feel richer, but you won’t eat richer."
mircea_popescu: guess who.
decimation: taleb? you?
mircea_popescu: actually, buffett.
mircea_popescu: but in 1980.
decimation: heh. I wonder if he used this as a defense of his anti-dividend policy
decimation: lol http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/07/codecademy-reskillusa/ << recycle jobless 'workers' to skilled web developers in three months, please please usg you pay?
assbot: Codecademy Teams Up With Online And Offline Coding Schools To Create ReskillUSA | TechCrunch
mircea_popescu: well... promising 2.0 businesses such as ethereum could use more css...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00057487 = 7.1284 BTC [-]
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com
punkbot: pete_dushenski: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
Adlai: !s urbit
decimation: have you used urbit Adlai?
Adlai: nope, just encountering this now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17169 @ 0.00056483 = 9.6976 BTC [-]
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 17J6NAKN9aiFNcdesz417hXZqtixLk6wpw | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17J6NAKN
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00056101 = 11.1641 BTC [-]
assbot: La Serenissima: Sovereign, Declares Tithe³ | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16371 @ 0.00056331 = 9.2219 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: i like the declaration but fuck the tax bs for gots sake man. I refuse to sign it! not cool pete
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, i don't think anyone said you had to sign it
RagnarDanneskjol: i didnt say they did. just passing an opinion
RagnarDanneskjol: in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: ask mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: he wrote it.
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh ok, I'll take it up with the boss then - thought it originated w/ pete. thanks
asciilifeform: as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader.
asciilifeform: none of the folks here seem to have the magic combo of skill, inclination, and free time
RagnarDanneskjol: i get it. there is quite a bit of volunteer support about to flood this channel for this purpose
RagnarDanneskjol: qualified support
asciilifeform: about to?
asciilifeform: what are they waiting for?
decimation: to sign a deed?
RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first
asciilifeform: if the troops are able and willing to follow jurov's turdatron rules (as well as produce quality work) - great news.
RagnarDanneskjol: we'll see. making no promises
asciilifeform: but unless i am mistaken, mircea_popescu is proceeding from an understanding that a quality reference implementation will require paid experts.
asciilifeform: hence his proclamation of 'tithe'
RagnarDanneskjol: might be that too
RagnarDanneskjol: got it. tithe I can live with. tax not so much
RagnarDanneskjol: can you pls direct me to jurov's requirements?
RagnarDanneskjol: or the rules of contention
RagnarDanneskjol: oh that ok
asciilifeform: described in 'submitting patches'
RagnarDanneskjol: right got it
asciilifeform: the only thing not mentioned there, is the absolute need for patches to be readable
asciilifeform: that is, it must address a specific thing, and patch is not really considered worthwhile until other participants are willing to sign it.
RagnarDanneskjol: should be interesting
asciilifeform: (which others must sign? this question has not been formally answered yet. on account of there not being a real maintainer.)
asciilifeform: i did the last merge personally, and i think a few folks here are using it
asciilifeform: but i'm not an 'official' anything.
asciilifeform: (other than being the devil who led these folks into the temptation of trying to craft a 'reference implementation.')
asciilifeform: i also wrote a few of the simple patches found on jurov's site right now
asciilifeform: entirely crud removal (of, e.g., gavin's 'emergency broadcast' crap)
decimation: asciilifeform: I did mange to get it working on openbsd, I think it wedged in a different spot
asciilifeform: decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet.
decimation: I had to add a few headers
asciilifeform: decimation: because non-deterministic - once db is corrupt, wedge.
decimation: yeah I was using the 'ports' db, which is 4.6 I think
asciilifeform: when corrups? no one knows
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of support, how you been chalbersma - LA treating you ok
chalbersma: Ya been super busy. But it's nice out hear.
chalbersma: What seems to be the support problem you speak of?
RagnarDanneskjol: well, the folks here started a movement to roll back btc core development to a pristine, decrufted state
RagnarDanneskjol: and looking for guys like you with some hands on experience to contribute
chalbersma: Hmm sounds interesting.
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, should be fun
RagnarDanneskjol: getting some links to bring you up to speed
assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Introducing A New Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra.net
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58120 @ 0.0005603 = 32.5646 BTC [-] {2}
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