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ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: bitcoin realized means more or less "profit"
Vexual: Yeah, forever profits?
ben_vulpes: whaddaya mean "forever"?
Vexual: since forever
Vexual: 2009
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00065245 = 6.7202 BTC [+]
Vexual: or perhaps you pay where you think some other entity might lay claim
ben_vulpes: well pre 2015 bitcoin barely matters in the world at large
Vexual: yes i see
cazalla: "If bitcoin were allowed to co-­‐exist as “legal tender” it could also create a situation where under Gresham’s Law “Bad money drives out good”. In such a scenario, bad currency (bitcoin) would be used and good currency (US Dollar) would be hoarded, creating greater economic instability."
cazalla: hoarding usd, nice one
Vexual: i read about that gut that printed $200 million, he hoarded it
Vexual: cut a deal to keep his shed-load off the streets
Vexual: it's in gq
BingoBoingo: !Up RetroUPriser
RetroUPriser: How's it going? I was going to see if mircea_popescu was active and willing to play a game of chess,
BingoBoingo: Things are going
ben_vulpes: RetroUPriser: you may get a game out of BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Nah, I'm not drunk enough to chess tonight.
RetroUPriser: I've played him before
RetroUPriser: and that seems like the typical answer
cazalla: ooh knocked glass off table onto open case.. lucky i drank the water in it just a few minutes ago
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> hoarding usd, nice one << such lmao.
mircea_popescu: "let us make claims backwards! it's almost like science!"
decimation: ben_vulpes: re: sbcl < neat link thanks
decimation: hoarding usd << lol. actually there's a great deal of certainty about the dollar, it's just that the certainty is that there is no fixed number of dollars, never has been, never will be
decimation: "Under the Bitcoin model, those who create the algorithm, protocol, manage the transactional ledger and mine virtual currencies would become the new central bankers, controlling a monetary basis, an immense power and responsibility." << lol yeah that's a 'risk'
decimation: the whole reason bitcoin is even mildly compelling is because those 'central bankers' who are currently 'controlling money' are fucking things up royally
ben_vulpes: well that was odd.
decimation: kicked?
ben_vulpes: remote emacs client straight up died.
ben_vulpes: "However, the real value of Bitcoin is not reaped at an individual level." << he's spot on, though - it's about raping at a collective level
ben_vulpes: actually i'm noping the fuck out of this article.
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BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are all these derps lmao.
mircea_popescu: seems timmy swanson was just the tip of the shitberg.
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TomServo: Ahoy
TomServo: http://bitbet.us/bet/1068/joepa-gets-his-wins-back/ <- bet text says 'before 2105' instead of 2015.
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rithm: poor ovh
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davout: rithm: stay away from ovh...
rithm: i do!
davout: if ebola could propagate to servers, it'd probably start at ovh
rithm: ovh is like the parody host
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00064687 = 3.8165 BTC [-]
jurov: WTF "I love bitcoin for reasons that Amir Taaki, Adam Back, Peter Todd and Mike Hearn love it."
thestringpuller: is that a real post jurov ?
jurov: it's from ihb.io above
undata: what a sprawling mess of an article
jurov: "Dear Ben Lawsky, you are going after the wrong people. Mining operations can be used to launder huge amounts of money."
jurov: kek
thestringpuller: yes. mining operations are owned by the mob.
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mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
mircea_popescu: by the way, you know how to use the tools here ? like say
mircea_popescu: !s taleb
saifedean: ah, no i don't... i've been trying to learn the ropes
saifedean: thanks for that
mircea_popescu: ah i got something for you here, just gimme a minuite
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assbot: Logged on 06-07-2014 23:40:36; mircea_popescu: "Here's me begging you Mr Taleb!" or something
saifedean: lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before...
mircea_popescu: ah ok then
saifedean: compelling, i must say, but last time i spoke to taleb he wasn't all that interested in bitcoin. i mean, he finds it interesting to a point, but not to the point of healthy obsession and complete disregard of everything else that we share
mircea_popescu: yeah, and the reason is he's not yet met anyone that groks it fully, so as to answer objection properly.
mircea_popescu: or at least, that was my case, in 2011
saifedean: is that when you first started on the righteous path?
mircea_popescu: ;;google noob mp or how it all begun
gribble: "At civilization's end", an MP Megacampaign - Page 2 - Paradox ...: <http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?753005-quot-At-civilization-s-end-quot-an-MP-Megacampaign/page2>; Wargame Talk #15: Modding Has Begun and Clash of the Clans 3 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuaLSMTKDiw>; Battlefield 4: Official Multiplayer Launch Trailer - YouTube: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: jesus google...
mircea_popescu: saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ?
assbot: Noob MP, or how it all began pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
saifedean: may i ask what did you do in the pre-bitcoin era? In the Bezzle Age?
mircea_popescu: i was retired.
mircea_popescu: !up Tykling
mircea_popescu: getting slowly bored to death in costa rica.
saifedean: i got a bunch of gaming forum posts, nothing to do with you
saifedean: very nice, retirement is underrated. the main appeal of academia for me is that it is a halfway house to retirement
mircea_popescu: retirement is way overrated. i tell you, i thought it was going to be "the life" for the rest of my life. http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/
assbot: NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years.
saifedean: it sure as hell beats working in the world of bezzle, a slave-like existence producing nothing and wasting your life in a worthless pissing contest whose first prize is the ability to kiss a bigger ass
thestringpuller: anyone good with regex?
undata: saifedean: start a business you weenie :p
mircea_popescu: either that or start shooting people.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller moderately, but don't ask to ask.
thestringpuller: i don't want to bother anyone with the pain that is regex ~_~
undata: thestringpuller: you may find this helpful http://www.regexr.com/
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thestringpuller: thanks undata
undata: yw
thestringpuller: found one good example
thestringpuller: Regex, yet another reason I hate strings.
saifedean: undata & mp, i'm actually thinking of starting a grill restaurant... to be named the honey badger grill, bitcoin preferred
mircea_popescu: now why would you do that ?
thestringpuller: saifedean: i am working on a crypto bakery lol
saifedean: coz i really enjoy grilling, i'm very good at it, people really like my steaks and i could get them to pay me good money to eat it if i put my head to make it good... sounds to me like a better way of spending your life than any bezzle career
thestringpuller: !up saifedean
undata: I like bitcoin and grilled food; I dunno about the honey badger thing
chetty: yeah but where does the name come from? sounds too much like honey pot, imo
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undata: it's just some meme
mircea_popescu: saifedean maybe. i am also very good at cooking, people love my stuff and i could definitely get them to pay.
mircea_popescu: the problem is this doesn't scale.
saifedean: because honey badger doesn't give a shit, and because bitcoin is the honey badger of money
saifedean: why the hell would i want to scale? if i wanted to scale i'd join mcdonalds for a rewarding career and an early grave
chetty: wolverine
saifedean: if i could run a single operation very well, it could make enough income to allow me to live very well, while spending my days doing something i enjoy
chetty: sounds like a little piece of heaven there saifedean
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if it's a pet, why would you want it to scale? restaurants are cool because you get free food and a place to "hang out"
saifedean: the idea of being my own boss, and to only be the boss of a few people is ideal. easily beats having to deal with hundreds of idiots in a large operatoin and suffer their idiocy
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller saifedean i am familiar with your idea of restaurants. these work as a retirement ploy by old merchants, who have an immense pile of gold in the basement, a pretty wife and don't give a shit about what may come, they juist want people to hang out and chat with.
mircea_popescu: this model works extremely well if one has the basement (not just the gold, but also the many travel stories in the basement of their head)
mircea_popescu: it works extremely poorly if one merely copies the visible parts of the institution.
assbot: BTC2MySQL
ben_vulpes: interdasting tool
saifedean: i definitely have the travel stories and the pretty wife and zero shits are given about what may come... most my days are a struggle to secure excellent quality food, a struggle which will only be resolved conclusively once i have my entire operation
ben_vulpes: have not derped with yet
ben_vulpes: but what are the engineering arguments for an embedded kv store against which one cannot query well if at all vs. a embedded sql store?
undata: ahemahem sqlite
undata: but #nodeps, right?
saifedean: the way i see it, bitcoin will kill pretty much all the world of bezzle, as i'm sure you folk agree, and the only jobs that will thrive in th future are those that involve actually doing something useful for other people which others appreciate and are happy to pay for. there are few things in life people appreciate better than a well-cooked steak, and few things in life that are done badly as often
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undata: saifedean: a word of caution; businesses always look simple when looking from outside
undata: my god 4 walls and a door and I'm there
saifedean: undata that's why i'm still researching and thinking of this while keeping my academic job
mircea_popescu: <saifedean> a struggle to secure excellent quality food << can you go into detail ?
saifedean: well, why else did you move to argentina but for the excellent grass-fed beef?
mircea_popescu: they eat a lot of beef in beirut ?
mircea_popescu: you know, i've never had any decent beef, not in cairo, not in luxor, not even in lebanon.
saifedean: once you've had a proper well-cooked steak, any other day of your life will be ruined if you venture into a McDonald's or some other Bezzle Institution
mircea_popescu: your meat sucks. it's not even how you cook it. it fucking sucks.
mircea_popescu: saifedean have you had an argentine steak ?
saifedean: in lebanon beef isn't very good, but the lamb is excellent, and it is grass-fed
mircea_popescu: lamb is splendid absolutely.
mircea_popescu: i mostly ate lamb and chicken over my time among the no-pok-people.
mircea_popescu: ended up eating a whole fucking pick in oradea on my way back
saifedean: my best friend is half-argentinian and half lebanese, and we've been talking about this restaurant together for years, he's brought excellent argentine beef over
mircea_popescu: ah. the stuff that you eat like salmon, practically ? half raw in the middle ?
mircea_popescu: i mean. of the inch thickness, a half inch in the middle is barely warm.
saifedean: there are many many things that make a good steak, most of these things require people who do their work honestly and htink long term, and pretty much everything in that process is being destroyed by cheap money and the high-time-preference it engenders in everyone from the farmer to the waiter at your restaurant
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saifedean: with the emergence of bitcoin and the destruction of the world of bezzle and its instant gratification and fast food culture, people are going to appreciate and pay top dollar for the quality stuff that's done right
mircea_popescu: exactly right. cheap money and the high time preference.
mircea_popescu: you ever read about the tin women ?
saifedean: no whats that?
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saifedean: my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human
mircea_popescu: its just hysterical how much we agree lol.
saifedean: i kinda figured from what i have read from your blog!
saifedean: the main question that remains now concerns the location of my grill... Lebanon is my favorite place in the world, but it might not be the ideal location what with all the religious wars breaking out... Vancouver is another possibility...
mircea_popescu: nah, buenos aires.
saifedean: come on man, you're not expecting me to go set up a grilling business in buenos aires, what was it about taking the coals to newcastle...
mircea_popescu: you come here, you have a good steak, you forgot why you ever wanted to make a steakhouse. much like the man who was considering doing his own plumbing out of reeds in lebanon, moves to constantinople with the marble baths forgets all about it.
saifedean: they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans
mircea_popescu: im curious when fluffypony shows over, see what he thinks.
mircea_popescu: saifedean so you actually been here before ?
saifedean: well, as i said i am hoping to go to BA sometime soon, my argentine friend will be there and it's meant as a crash course in grilling... i could just stick around, but i'd need me a new business idea for the post-bezzlepocalypse
saifedean: no i've never been to argentina, but i did live in Rio de Janeiro for two years as a kid
mircea_popescu: anyway, show up, i'll buy you a steak.
saifedean: bife de chorizo!
mircea_popescu: nah, bife de lomo aniversario.
saifedean: i should be finding out soon if my trip will pan out and will let you know
mircea_popescu: 1kg porterhouse steak is the golden standard in my eyes nao.
saifedean: ok, you have a point, i'll have both :D
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BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to eat. later good folk of the evil cult!
chetty: saifedean, actually I think there is good call for the sort of 'grill' you describe in Argentina, the relaxed atmosphere, the fire, etc. Steak may be great here but it could use some 'trappings'
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: http://btc2mysql.com/ << have you seen http://toshi.io ?
saifedean: interesting... my idea is also to make it a paleo restaurant... if you guys haven't gone paleo yet, let me just point that making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin
thestringpuller: saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin.
undata: saifedean: there is *so* much eaten that is barely (if at all) food
chetty: <<< never giving up bread and pastries but agree with the 'crap' descriptor for most of what passes as food
saifedean: well thestringpuller, i've tried that shitty-ass diet and i tried being paleo, and there's no comparison. Once you try going paleo, eating crap seems about as reasonable as not looking around before crossing the street. Sure, it can be done... but why?
undata: ditching dairy aside from cheese has been helpful for me
undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live
saifedean: oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it!
joecool: welcome to #bitcoin-lifestyle
joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log
joecool wonders when he joined
joecool: ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:04:01 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
joecool: ;;gpg info joecool
gribble: User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:49:45 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
joecool: heh
saifedean: oh but paleo is intimately related to bitcoin: it is cheap money that has plagued the world with high time preference and that, in turn, is what has turned food from being nourishing to a giant bezzle-funded industry that aims to provide sugar kicks and insulin spikes to the proles immediately when the temptation kicks in.
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undata: saifedean: its a dream of mine that there'll be a return to families producing their own food.
undata: you want economic security; that's it.
joecool: i've produced a good chunk of mine off and on over the years
joecool: plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden (did canning, freezing for winter, etc)
saifedean: undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! How selfish would it be of all families to think of their own survival and leave the national economy to flounder.
undata: saifedean: sounds glorious. flounder away!
undata: I'm working on a software business for now; should that succeed, I'd like to look into automation products for small scale food production.
undata: my parents have a largely self-sufficient farm, and their processes are not particularly scientific
undata: it seems to me that there are gains to be found via automation which would allow a person to both produce their own food and have time to spare for other pursuits
ben_vulpes: nah, just put hippies to work running the aquaponics
ben_vulpes: automation's overrated
undata: I disagree; humans are overrated.
undata: I'm trying to find an article; the sentence that sticks out in my memory was something like "why would anyone buy lightbulbs when they can just pay staff to see to their candles?"
undata: because I want to be left alone to work!
undata: haha
rithm: SWISS money
rithm: comes from automata
rithm: Sent While I Sleep Soundly
saifedean: i don't mind automation for as long as it does not compromise the quality of the thing in question. So, a fridge is a good idea to keep my steaks cool for a few hours between butchering and grilling. A deep freezer is not such a good idea coz the meat will never taste the same.
undata: saifedean: machines should extend the mind of their master
saifedean: undata: yes, not replace it!
chetty: <saifedean> oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it!// the paleo idea makes sense to me, and for sure all those chemical and stuff that passes for food is bad idea, but I really don't see passing on grain entirely.
chetty: !up saifedean
joecool: i don't miss it, used to ride insulin rollercoaster for years
saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose?
xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot
joecool: saifedean: i found out i had severe issues with wheat after i noticed i'd feel better if i didn't eat
joecool: so i fasted a week or two and did an additive diet
chetty: saifedean, ok, I can do that (guess I better read up on it a bit, can I still have coffee?)
joecool: until i figured out what it was
joecool: coffee is fine lol, drink it black
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell diablo-d3 you're missing a paleo love-in
gribble: The operation succeeded.
joecool: if you don't like it, get better coffee and learn how to make it
chetty: only way to drink coffee
ben_vulpes: ;;seen diablo-d3
gribble: diablo-d3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Diablo-D3> so it never happened
saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so that the fruit contains nutrients that are good for us, and it also looks good, smells good and appeals to us, because it's good for us and for the plant that we eat the fruit, and that's why we can eat it in the raw.
ben_vulpes: saifedean: have you ever read the 10,000 year explosion?
joecool: nah fuck fruit tbh, rarely eat the stuff
undata: wut
undata: joecool: never?
joecool: undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it
saifedean: But we are not meant to eat the seeds or the grains, they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. That;s why seeds and grains do not look appealing, do not taste or smell good, and they are absolutely destructive for our body if eaten. agriculture and modern processing over the last 10,000 years has made these things slightly less destructive to us and we have developed some capacity to tolerate them, bu
chetty: I dont think I am that far off paleo as it is, most of what I eat is raw fruit, veggies and meat anyway.
joecool: berries yes, leafy vegetables of course, but fuck eating tons of fruit
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undata: joecool: ah nobody needs tons
xanthyos: !up thomas_d
saifedean: if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on
xanthyos: !up thomas_d
chetty: ahh I be chocolate isnt on the list, cant be doing without that for more than a week :P
saifedean: ben_vulpes, i havent. would you recommend it?
ben_vulpes: i have.
xanthyos: what's the link to the wot faq?
joecool: chetty: i eat high % chocolate, usually 91% or 100%
joecool: sugar is not a concern there
ben_vulpes: it puts a mess of holes about three feet below the water line of this "ancient diet" crap.
ben_vulpes: s/crap/Zodiac
saifedean: dark chocolate aint that bad, the thing is, you never have to completely eliminate anything... you just need to drastically reduce some thing and make sure they are not a regular part of your diet
ben_vulpes: dude what is with the endless wordstream
chetty: well if I got dark chocolate everything else will be ok. :)
saifedean: yes, coffee is fine... and if you have it with butter, you win extra paleo points!
ben_vulpes: !up lobbes
ben_vulpes: you're welcome
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chetty: I read about that coffee with butter thing, havent had the nerve to try it
ben_vulpes: i did it for a while
ben_vulpes: made me feel funny
lobbes: <+saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds??
ben_vulpes: lobbes: excess energy in the system develops parasites
ben_vulpes: it's like communism
ben_vulpes: BUT IN YOU
assbot: 58. Cancer and Sugar | Verner's Views
joecool: cancer really likes fruit :)
lobbes: ahaha
TomServo: ben_vulpes: lol
saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow. Eliminate sugar, eliminate cancer, it's that simple. And that, incidentally, is why hunter-gatherers have zero sugar
saifedean: yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html
assbot: The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg
xanthyos: !down thomas_d
xanthyos: i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk
ben_vulpes: <saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece << you're like the guy who links to btc stealing malware
ben_vulpes: "i didn't actually read the source oh noes"
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saifedean: i didnt actually read the link you sent so i can't vouch for it, or if it's an accurate explanation of the topic, so i gave you one that i had read which i know is good
Pierre_Rochard: !up saifedean
lobbes: <+saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html << hehe, I dig the tripod.com url at the top of the page; vintage
assbot: The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg
Apocalyptic: <joecool> cancer really likes fruit :) // cancer likes fructose
Apocalyptic: as any other type of sugar
Pierre_Rochard: saifedean: looking forward to savoring your restaurant’s lamb shank one day
cazalla: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
punkman: cazalla: you just need more ddos
cazalla: twozerofive doesn't come around here much now
cazalla: ;;seen twozerofive
gribble: I have not seen twozerofive.
cazalla: ;;seen fivezerotwo
gribble: fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <fivezerotwo> have fun, i'll see you soon :D
cazalla: already forgotten his name
mike_c: 502, get it. bad gateway.
cazalla: did not occur to me
mike_c: it's like l33t speek
cazalla: obvious now that you pointed it out
mike_c: oh no, i didn't get it either. he explained it in channel at some point.
mike_c: all the best jokes require explanation.
rithm: his name was robert paulsen
xanthyos: !up bagels7
xanthyos: ;;rate bagels7 1 known online 5 years consistently friendly
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5569 @ 0.00064803 = 3.6089 BTC [-] {2}
xanthyos: !up bagels7
xanthyos: !up thomas_d
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00064574 = 12.3013 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;seen thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin.
nubbins`: thestringpuller you know they found your poster?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00064547 = 8.4879 BTC [-]
nubbins`: postage apparently emancipated itself from the package, it'd been sitting in an abandoned mail room awaiting destruction
nubbins`: guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one"
nubbins`: anyway. on its way. i guess.
thestringpuller: nubbins`
BingoBoingo: <saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << What about Chagas, Obola, and Syphillis?
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
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mircea_popescu: saifedean: making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin <<< eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, the hamburger & canned hot dog crowd is eating very poorly, but that's not the same thing.
mircea_popescu: undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live << no buttermilk ? no yogurt ? why would i even.
mircea_popescu: i think half the liquid i drink is milk.
mircea_popescu: joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log << good to know someone actually misses me :D
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mircea_popescu: undata: you want economic security; that's it. <<< could a visiting merchant buy a nice ham off of one of your families when passing through ?
mircea_popescu: joecool:plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden saifedean:undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! <<< you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?
undata: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't bat an eye.
mircea_popescu: undata you would after shoveling corpses for a week or two.
mircea_popescu: so the sad news is, argentina has bad peaches down to a fucking artform. this set here, properly juicy, smell great, taste like fucking corcoduse
mircea_popescu: ie, wild apricots.
mircea_popescu: may be the worst scampeaches i ever did see.
mircea_popescu: bwahhaha
mircea_popescu: "o no, we will just work with the usg, help them track bitcoiner's shippments. nothing bad could ever happen!"
mircea_popescu: saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? <<< i'm pretty sure she did try it for a week on and off, multiple times. not purposefully or anything, just, how it happened.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot <<< well, who is he ?
mircea_popescu: saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so << we humans are also simply not evolved to wash.
mircea_popescu: and come to think of it, we're quite pointedly not evolved to use condoms, either.
mircea_popescu: which of these are you giving up because of that silly "evolved" theory ? i wasn't evolved to use a keyboard nor to cross the street nor do i give a shit.
mircea_popescu: joecool: undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it << my bet is because you live in a place with shitty (ie, supermarket) fruit.
mircea_popescu: saifedean: But we are not meant to eat the seeds [...] they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk nothing is "meant", srsly.
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joecool: mircea_popescu: nah, despite the fact i live in 'murica, i have grown my own fruit and vegetables
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2014 13:26:02; BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet...
mircea_popescu: joecool but getting good fruit is a nontrivial pursuit. say you "made your own wine". well... ? so what if you did.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im romanian, im fucking evolved to eat bread. we've been eating bread for well over five millenia now, and it was millet before it was wheat.
mircea_popescu: just a latin thing.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Bread is good. SOmetimes i do "Bread cleanses" where I'll get a big loaf of bread, some nice butter, and eat that for a day or two.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, millet unlevened bread, now that's an experience. i have nfi why it's not becoming a hipster thing. maybe they never heard of it)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads.
xanthyos: <+mircea_popescu> xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot
BingoBoingo: Millet's probably in the que to become a hipster thing. They just have to work through the other fads.
mircea_popescu: ;;google cluj sora
gribble: Cluj-Napoca travel guide - Wikitravel: <http://wikitravel.org/en/Cluj-Napoca>; Cluj-Napoca – Travel guide at Wikivoyage: <http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca>; Sora Shopping Center - Visit CLUJ: <http://www.visitclujnapoca.ro/en/ce-poti-face/cumparaturi/page/2/sora-shopping-center.html>
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it sold out, became a "shopping center"
xanthyos: <<< well, who is he ? << it was that thomas_d guy and also bagels7 but i think thomas is flaking out
mircea_popescu: xanthyos moar like, what do they do.
xanthyos: i don't know if i'm at liberty to reveal that information
xanthyos: bagels7: ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads. << Well, I picked up the habit in school, so...
joecool: mircea_popescu: you mentioned you came out of retirement to start mpex, what was your trade before retiring?
mircea_popescu: joecool that was never very clearly specified.
joecool: is that a polite way of saying "i'd rather not disclose"?
mircea_popescu: well, it's a polite way of saying nothing at all :)
joecool: :) fair enough
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally : yogurt is properly made out of boiled milk, whereas the same process applied to raw milk resulted in something called "sana" in romania of the time.
mircea_popescu: which are both different from buttermilk etc. it's a huge topic, this, and honestly half of it comes from turkey an' lebanon :p
BingoBoingo: I've never had the opportunity to actual yogurt.
BingoBoingo: Buttermilk is accessible here.
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BingoBoingo: It's not the easiest thing to find, but actual cultured butter is still accesible here.
BingoBoingo: lol, makes a body bitter
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gernika: I suspect that there has not been much or any negative selection related to eating grains. Eating them doesn't kill you before you can breed. So yes, eventually they may or may not make you fat and give you diabetes, but not before you've had 10 kids fueled on starch alone.
nubbins`: grains are great
mircea_popescu: gernika actually starch only diets are known to be toxic, for vitamin depletion reasons
cazalla: 10 kids? wash ya mouth out
mircea_popescu: poor peasants in the premodern times got b defficiencies all the time, inter alia
nubbins`: mircea_popescu iirc the b deficiencies were from doing whippets all day
nubbins`: LEL I KID
mircea_popescu: meat only diets are just as toxic, through overwhelming kidney clearances for protein metabolic products. etc.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud whippet
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippets | Whipped-cream-in-a-can is propelled by nitrous oxide. This usage is the source of the term "whippet". The term has come to refer to any little canister that'll give ...
ben_vulpes: mmm nox
gernika: mircea_popescu ok I should substitute "mostly grain + small amount of meat and vegetables" for "starch alone" then
mircea_popescu: anyway, cancer has a huge genetic component. diabetes a smaller but present one. obviously eating better improves health, but that's a much weaker claim than "do away with"
nubbins`: ben_vulpes i was recently trying to describe the sensation of being rendered unconscious by NO2 in a clinical setting. after hemming and hawing for a few minutes, i said "it's sort of like doing whippets until you pass out"
nubbins`: by the time "until" reached my lips, i realized that's exactly what it was 8)
mircea_popescu: gernika that's pretty much the first stable diet. roman workers/soldiers got bread, beer (liquid bread) and some olives/small fishes.
mircea_popescu: and i guess grapes the day the boss' wife was doing the fingertrap.
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gernika: mircea_popescu I'm guessing Egyptian workers/soldiers got the same.
mircea_popescu: nah, not before caesar at any rate.
mircea_popescu: for one thing they didn't eat fish (seth lived in the nile). for another, i dun recall what their main grain was but definitely not wheat.
ben_vulpes: nice nubbins`.
gernika: well, no olives
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i feel like it was some sort of shitty type of wheat
nubbins`: actually maybe barley
nubbins` shrugs
mircea_popescu: doubt it. maybe some sort of millet ? or rye ?
mircea_popescu: in any case : they mostly ate firepit baked unleavened clumps of dough
mircea_popescu: the romans made bread, ie, in an oven
mircea_popescu: huge fucken difference between frying and baking
ben_vulpes: emmer?
gernika: looks like barley and emmer wheat
mircea_popescu: emmer wheat ok.
ben_vulpes: wait unleavened? what's the deal with the joostories then?
gernika: And apparently beer (from the barley)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well who the fuck's to know. but anyway, leavening was an innovation roughly at the time, poorly received
mircea_popescu: sort-of like we snub our nose at mcdo hamburgers i guess.
mircea_popescu: same principle anyway.
mircea_popescu: !up aspho
assbot: National Bank of Ukraine: Bitcoin Not to Be Used for Payments | Qntra.net
assbot: Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin
nubbins`: "your order number is 999"
nubbins` checks for fisher-price logo
mircea_popescu: "There are reports that the National Bank of Ukraine has issued a directive on its Facebook page banning the use of Bitcoin for payments within the country"
mircea_popescu: there are reports... coulda been worse.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose some sort of revision's in order ?
nubbins`: !up Vexual
cazalla: aspho, the post references the stupidity of "issuing missives via Facebook post" so no, Qntra has not done coindesk
aspho: Semantics isn't it?
aspho: tbf I read it both ways
mircea_popescu: cazalla that is true, but it wasn't all that explicitly doing that was it ?
assbot: Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "Not only is the notion of government by Facebook page about on par with the US immigration policy implemented by wikipedia lookup, but the interpretation offered isn't even supported by the original text, which merely says..."
mircea_popescu: lobbes: okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds <<< there are some good if not winning arguments in favour. generally, fats are about twice as energetic per gram as sugars. however the power (ie, energy per time) function is much flatter. that's only half the story, of course, because the fat (and protein, they're related, as you'd expect) processing b
mircea_popescu: andwidth is much wider than the sugars, for the obvious reason. this makes a lot of subordinate wheels be connected principaly to that main engine, much like the alternator in the car is connected to the gasoline powered carnot cycle, not to say the steering wheel. one of those subordinate wheels is actually the immune system, and so in a very pedestrian reading, obtaining most of your energy from the kreb cycle means
mircea_popescu: an underpowered immune system, among other things. (then again, other systems, such as a whole array of cellular antioxidants, essentially all the red cell metabolism and all the brain are powered by the carbohydrate metabolism). in short... no easy answers. srsly. we "are evolved" to do everything.
mircea_popescu: saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow <<< this is exactly false. for instance, breast carcinoma cells are most always grown in vitro on collagen substrate. collagen is a protein not a sugar.
cazalla: aspho, BingoBoingo has updated the post to clarify but fwiw i was implied it might not be factual given facebook
mircea_popescu: !up agamemno123
cazalla: and as good as we are at qntra, we make mistakes, we are not infallible
BingoBoingo: As far as the Warburg stuff goes. It's generally accepted that cancer cells generally turn to some some of anearobes, but... SOmetimes it works the opposite way like in breast cancer, and the change over almost certainly seems to not be the cause of the cancer.
cazalla: i think only one person claims to be, eh thickasthieves? *rimshot*
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well yeah. it's a complicated thing. moreover, simply because one doesn't *eat* sugar does not mean glycogen does not exist in their body or anything
aspho: Cazalla: I see where you're coming from. not pointing fingers, just helping out (although it gets attention comparing with coindesk heh)
mircea_popescu: aspho i dun think anyone tried just saying it to see if it gets ignored or anything yet.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to "getting attention"
BingoBoingo: Well, someone invented the HTML strikethrough tag for a reason
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk << resent less, live longer. definitely happier.
xanthyos: bagels7: speak to the man!
aspho: ya next time
mircea_popescu: anyway, pop-medicine is like pop-computing. sort-of php.
BingoBoingo: Eh, wait to people find out they make glucose...
Vexual: hey glucose is fat free
mircea_popescu: but anyway, from a political standpoint the "no sugar" angle is good. i'm stuck mostly eating homemade cake because everyone's convinced you need sugar by the bucket. "gotta be sweet man!"
mircea_popescu: !up supay
mircea_popescu: in the end conversion from online recipe to edible recipe is cup of sugar -> spoonful of sugar
xanthyos: !up bagels7
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, as far as i understand (not an expert) the reason neoplasm mostly turns anaerobic is that apoptosis main branch and aerobic respiration share some protein pathways. so it often gets deleted in the same pass as it were, "no electricity" means no music and no light at the same time.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That seems to go with what I read as well.
mircea_popescu: !up username0
BingoBoingo: The problem of cancer is cell division and cells not self destructing when they come up defective because the checking mechanism's broke. The anerobe thing is a side effect.
mircea_popescu: !up username0_
mircea_popescu: !up aspho
xanthyos: hi bagels7
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: cazalla: qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << at least it has what to lose lol
mircea_popescu: punkman: cazalla: you just need more ddos << you know that read "more dildos". which.... hm.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one" << bwahahaha
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what I think about BA or about the steak there?
mircea_popescu: about the steak there.
fluffypony: oh I'm dead keen
fluffypony: the steak here has mostly been average, I've had one above-average steak and that was at Seasons52 in Los Angeles
mircea_popescu: i had no idea sa is actually famous for steak, but apparently.
nubbins`: i worked in a restaurant here in canada, they served argentine beef
mircea_popescu: nubbins` south africa. i know argentine beef is famous.
fluffypony: nubbins` btw
nubbins`: oh THAT south ___
nubbins`: they did not serve south african beef
fluffypony: I went to the Adventure Expo in Salt Lake City wearing the t-shirts you made
fluffypony: and got stopped and asked about Bitcoin by 3 people :)
nubbins`: not bad!
nubbins`: imagine if you'd brought your poster with you :p
mircea_popescu: imagine if you were naked!
mircea_popescu: no wait.
mircea_popescu: that wouldn't work.
fluffypony: hah hah
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mircea_popescu: ;;bare tits tshirt
BingoBoingo: Peoples with mobile devices, test the qntra layout
gribble: Error: "bare" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: walk up to naked dude, "what about bitcoin?"
mircea_popescu: ;;google bare tits tshirt
gribble: Amateur girls in wet tshirts flashing boobs - Video Dailymotion: <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1r3wc6_amateur-girls-in-wet-tshirts-flashing-boobs_redband>; wet shirt contest topless nude - Video Dailymotion: <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1aaazf_wet-shirt-contest-topless-nude_redband>; Big Tits and Fine Ass Wet T-Shirt Contest - Video Dailymotion: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: check out the dailymotion monopoly.
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you do that, but for male shirts ?
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin brings out the best in you" or w/e.
nubbins`: maybe a hand cupping the genitals
nubbins`: another arm strapped across a flabby, hairy chest
mircea_popescu: make a 6pack one for girls
mircea_popescu: nah dude, genderbendin'!
nubbins`: far out!
nubbins`: speaking of, here's the cover of the book we're working on now
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xanthyos: ;;ident bagels7
gribble: Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is not identified.
xanthyos: ;;ident sophiesakura
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
xanthyos: ;;gettrust sophiesakura
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user sophiesakura: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=sophiesakura | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sophiesakura | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is that an acid dropping guide ?
Vexual: he is
nubbins`: metallic inks on black paper
nubbins`: you should see the inside :0
mircea_popescu: "As a woman, peeing is a very big part of my life. It’s something I do often, and something I do well."
mircea_popescu: god help us.
xiando: tl;dr 1) Do not do it alone 2) Do it with friends you trust 3) Do it in a calm safe place 4) Have some good music prepared
nubbins`: xiando out of left field
mircea_popescu: xiando apparently his guide is "go birdwatching"
nubbins`: solo trip is something one must experience at least once
cazalla: did once at 15 on mushrooms, freaked out, called poison hotline, told not to eat mushrooms again
mircea_popescu: "I’m not some feminist radical Jane Fonda of the 70s type women, but I hate bras. I hate the way they feel. They are uncomfortable. They bind, they chafe, and when you have small breasts, they ride up."
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's the problem. the way they feel. just like you should be having bigger tits.
Vexual: it's all about the duck
nubbins`: duck w/ mushrooms is nice
nubbins`: oh wait sorry
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nubbins`: the greater black-backed gull
nubbins`: protip: click to zoom
xiando: Mr. McMurtry said his handling of a case is sometimes determined by department wish lists. "If you want the car, and you really want to put it in your fleet, let me know -- I'll fight for it," Mr. McMurtry said, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?_r=1 MUURICA and we got similar local laws last month
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xiando: I remember when we had freedom of speech and property rights in Sweeden. Good times
joecool: wat jewelry too hard to dispose of?
BingoBoingo: joecool: The proceeds from selling that go into the general fund and not the law enforcement fund, so why bother?
cazalla: xiando, now you just have niggers raping da white wimminz?
BingoBoingo: Also yeah, jewellry is a sucker's market.
xiando: Not sure if joke and I don't like the N word but: We do not have any here. None. I have perhaps seen 1 this year. People from the middle east? quite a lot. But no black people.
asciilifeform: incidentally (ianal!!) but usa has a federal law prescribing punishment for destroying property in order to prevent, iirc, 'lawful seizure.' does this still apply for... unlawful seizure?
nubbins`: "i don't like the N word but we do not have any here" lel any what?
xiando: black people
xiando: My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull.
nubbins`: sorry, i was just amused by the way you worded your sentence. i know what you mean :D
joecool: lol i saw only 2 black people the month i was in newfoundland, was strange
ben_vulpes: hey any webdevs with spare cycles want to work on a btc app with me?
ben_vulpes: well "with me"
ben_vulpes: i say "make this thing"
joecool: he said the a-word, pass
joecool: ben_vulpes: what's the budget
ben_vulpes: the budget is half whatever it brings in over its lifetime
ben_vulpes: its a tiny little thing for someone with too much time on their hands to grind on
cazalla: xiando, we don't have black people in australia so i was not aware nigger is offensive, thank you for telling me
BingoBoingo: cazalla: What about the Abbos?
cazalla: !up Vexual
nubbins`: ben_vulpes what's the app for
joecool: abbies yo
cazalla: BingoBoingo, they are not people
joecool: good to know
Vexual: xiando, I'm black and I hand out down by the canl in stockholm after sunset sometimes, you haven't seen me?
nubbins`: Vexual whoa that's where i buy weed
nubbins`: crazy
Vexual: just jewelry
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins btc in, webservice out
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins probably stupid, but could be stood up and walked away from
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-11/001538.html << herr Walker reviews a book which describes the pitiful state of usg's land-based icbms
assbot: Reading List: Command and Control (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
mircea_popescu: xiando My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull. << who're you gonna believe.
decimation: the lefties then interview young men who gave their youth to usg to 'man missiles' http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/air-force-missile-wing-minuteman-iii-nuclear-weapons-burnout
assbot: Death Wears Bunny Slippers | Mother Jones
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> xiando, I'm black << are you actually ?
mircea_popescu: decimation inasmuch as those things are about as useful as the five foot tall plaster cake in a confectioner's window, wut diff does it make.
Vexual: notrly
decimation: what, the icbms?
decimation: yeah: "Ditching the ICBMs would save taxpayers $14 billion over the next 10 years, but not everyone's a fan of the idea: Senators from states where the missiles are based and tested have formed an ICBM caucus that isn't shy to throw its weight around. As a condition for confirming Rose Gottemoeller, Obama's recent pick for undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, the caucus insisted that the Pentagon
decimation: maintain all 454 ICBM silos, even through it is trimming the number of missiles to 400. (Yes, we will man and maintain 54 empty silos.)"
decimation: "Instead, most defense experts believe that in almost all foreseeable scenarios we'd strike with a bomber or a submarine, deployed from nearby shores or military bases."
decimation: it's pretty likely the Ruskies have already surveyed each icbm site to the millimeter
asciilifeform: decimation: that was sorta the point. tie up opponent's rockets, fewer remain for cities and known sub coordinates
asciilifeform: decimation: of course, this is back when the advantage of land rocket was used - they were once fitted with 'mirv'
decimation: which makes more sense of course
asciilifeform: so, the land rockets, sitting ducks as they were, were still forced targets
Vexual: ftas is where its at
decimation: and the youth who stumbled into the chumpatron of 'manning' the missiles become human statues
asciilifeform: human statues << unlike every other military sentry?
asciilifeform: srsly, they signed up for human statue detail
Vexual: were signing with china to provide more beef every year than we have, checkmate
decimation: asciilifeform: the youth in the motherjones story claims he wanted to be a pilot, air force changed the eyesight rules, suddenly a missiler is he
asciilifeform: lol, it was always traditional wisdom that a fellow with less than perfect eyes will fly 'mahogany bombers'
assbot: U.S. Missile Defense Agency Intercepts Three Targets in “Raid” Test | SpaceNews.com
mod6: cazalla BingoBoingo would either of you guys mind tweeting out a link to this? http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/
assbot: Bitcoin Declaration of Sovereignty Filed | Qntra.net
decimation: "But during his senior year, the Air Force ended a waiver program that allowed cadets with imperfect vision—including Aaron—to earn their wings, so after graduation he grudgingly settled for a position at Malmstrom. He was hardly alone in his lack of enthusiasm: According to one study, less than one-third of missileers ever wanted that job. When Aaron hit on women in bars in Great Falls, he would sometimes say he was a wind
decimation: turbine technician."
asciilifeform: 'He later confessed to chatting for most of a night with the hotel's cigar sales lady, who was asking questions "about physics and optics"—and thinking to himself: "Dude, this doesn't normally happen." Carey was stripped of his command in October' << lol, 'cigar lady' gets 'order of lenin.'
decimation: the mind boggles at all the similar stories that are stuffed in some usg filing cabinet
asciilifeform: all the 'mother jones' photos are from an ancient museum silo
asciilifeform: i saw them a hundred times.
cazalla: mod6, all posts get tweeted out automatically
asciilifeform: what man, woman, child on planet hasn't seen the 'domino pizza' one ?
decimation: asciilifeform: you see to show you inside of a 'real site' would reveal 60 year old secrets
asciilifeform: lol, like the lock.
asciilifeform: (posted here, ~6 mo. ago)
asciilifeform: 'sewer pipes in two Malmstrom launch facilities ruptured and a deep stew of human waste lingered at the bottom of the capsules. Despite the intolerable stench, the colonel in charge refused to take the units offline for repair. The men were instead ordered to defecate in a cardboard box lined with a plastic bag, but since nobody wanted to carry the box upstairs when it got full, the missileers began relieving t
asciilifeform: hemselves from a gangplank directly into the bottom of the capsule. This went on for four or five months.'
asciilifeform: mega-lol.
decimation: hehe yeah
decimation: of course, the reason: "A string of investigations concluded that the nuclear corps had lost its "zero defect" culture. In response, the Air Force launched a program to "sustain, modernize, and recapitalize its nuclear capability." What that meant in practice, Aaron says, was punishing the rank and file for past mistakes while the colonels swept the bigger problems under the rug."
decimation: this is generally standard usg management practice as far as I can tell
decimation: pretend things are swell, shoot any messengers that say otherwise, rotate to a 'diversity tour' before mistakes are obvious
decimation: I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too
mod6: cazalla: huh. ok. didn't see that one in the list. maybe i missed it?
cazalla: mod6, i just checked, it didn't go out, i'm guessing the auto feed thing didn't catch it after i changed it from sgornick's account to mine
ben_vulpes: this just in, the universe is a stochastic bitch: of all qntra posts, their tweetmachine failed to deliver the declaration of independence to the social media shitstew.
mod6: ben_vulpes: heheh
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i saw them a hundred times. << the problem with the new, cheaper "media"
mircea_popescu: using stock photos only works if you're read by monkeys.
mircea_popescu: it's like a strategic decision that "people who read us aren't actually interested"
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 06:23:40; asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too << not exactly. http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/#footnote_0_51832
assbot: Regulation for our lord Regulos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "samocritika"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes clearly, sabotage.
mircea_popescu: by the way ben_vulpes mod6 you two plan to make some sort of monthly "state of the bitcoin" address to go with jurov's reports ?
mircea_popescu: "As the night proceeded, all of the Carter era military malaise became evident. The Air Force lied to local law enforcement and media about what was happening, couldn't communicate with first responders, failed to send an evacuation helicopter for a gravely injured person because an irrelevant piece of equipment wasn't available, and could not come to a decision about how to respond as the situation deteriorated. Also
mircea_popescu: on display was the heroism of individuals, in the Air Force and outside, who took matters into their own hands on the spot, rescued people, monitored the situation, evacuated nearby farms in the path of toxic clouds, and improvised as events required."
mircea_popescu: this is a pretty good quote. "oh noes, what would we do without government" ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude. a) not have the problems and b) solve them the same exact way they're currently solved anyway ?
decimation: right, once it is obvious that the emperor has no clothes, regular folks just take it upon themselves to solve problems
mircea_popescu: but with or without the emperor, clothed or not, it is still the regular folks.
mircea_popescu: this guy reading the code and that guy making the log work and so on and so forth
mircea_popescu: the pretense of "government" is nothing but exactly that : pretense. useful, to a very limited degree, for fucktards, like the kids that won't "learn" unless there's santa there with the notebook.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you underestimate the depth of the glue and the sharpness of the glass
mircea_popescu: as if that sort of kid ever learns anything anyway.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes howdja mean.
ben_vulpes: but we'll bark a bit more on the mailing list and some qntra hound can round it up at whatever frequency they please.
ben_vulpes: !s glue glass
decimation: https://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/d/367/ "1. The National Assembly decrees that hereditary nobility is forever abolished. Consequently, the titles of Prince, Duke, Count, Marquis, Viscount, Vidame, Baron, Knight, Lord, Squire, Noble, and all other similar titles shall neither be accepted by, nor bestowed upon, anyone whomsoever."
assbot: Abolition of Nobility
decimation: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24391 @ 0.0006463 = 15.7639 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: I heard a great story about regular people getting shit done, it was the 1930s, aeroplanes and radio were the latest shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.000648 = 2.8836 BTC [+]
Vexual: there was an intercontinental comp, all the latest birds.. the one aluminum beast in the race got into trouble in a storm in australia
Vexual: i forget the rest, but they eneded up over some town that realised they were trying to land, and they broke into the town lighting and started doing morse code with the streetlights
Vexual: then they broke into the radio station and told everyone to take their cars and make a landing strip with their headlights, it was a big success
decimation: .... . .-.. .--.
assbot: How One Australian Town Helped A Doomed Plane Win History's Greatest Air Race
Vexual: I'm prolly way off
Vexual: I remember some other pilot hit the whisky hard and landed with half a gallon to spare
mod6: mircea_popescu: My plan for now is to just post a summary of the on-goings to the mailing list once per month. This seems like a good start. I can even coordinate with jurov to post the summary before the statement so he can link it in there.
Vexual: his navigator and wife was unhappy
ben_vulpes: might i note that while we have the lordship list Vexual and ninjashogun are some early "citizens" if i might be so bold
ben_vulpes: individuals nobody in l1's posrating, but that still get upped whenever they come by
assbot: Bagels7 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
ben_vulpes: lol apropos
ben_vulpes: !up bagels7
ben_vulpes: bagels you got 0 l2 what you tryna do uppin yourself like that?
bagels7: Im really not sure
ben_vulpes: ;;ident bagels7
gribble: Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is identified as user 'Bagels7', with GPG key id 82C85EDC160BB29F, key fingerprint ACE4936BDD6EBB8338F5282E82C85EDC160BB29F, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: that's abuse of your power
ben_vulpes: he's not even noisy these days
Vexual: it's a use
ben_vulpes: owait misread the + for a -
mircea_popescu: that's an abuse of your reading!
Vexual: it's a use
ben_vulpes: stop abusing me!
mircea_popescu: bagels7 you xanthyos' friend ?
Vexual: niki minaj does have a new track tho... hmm
bagels7: yes mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: Vexual: after all i've done for you...
ben_vulpes: (i can't resist - what is it?!)
Vexual: your newfound love of lisp
ben_vulpes: no no the nikki
ben_vulpes: i have just enough beer for 1 more nikki before i bounce
Vexual: she might have been reading the logs
asciilifeform fell into sin; for the first time in half a decade, cracked a copy protection gizmo
asciilifeform grunted for ~100 hours on it, very gnarly boobytrap, defused.
assbot: Nicki Minaj - Only (Lyric) ft. Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown - YouTube
ben_vulpes: ^^ for the third reich afficionados
asciilifeform: nein nein nein nein nein.
asciilifeform not impressed
Vexual: lol
ben_vulpes: it's the best modern america can do
Vexual: .... . .-.. .--.
Vexual: jurov is a title in this new state?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes (isambard k. brunel!) - saw the 'github.' might be worth making a note on therealbitcoin.org re: the 'github' not being authoritative.
asciilifeform: (can you see why important?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22978 @ 0.000648 = 14.8897 BTC [+]
Vexual: is it because the rigged snakes and ladders borard i send as tribut eisn't on it?
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