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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> catch is, you have to... burn the world. << How many people here are seriously opposed to this condition
asciilifeform: for instance, in the '70s, when there was an understanding that a computer is purchased and comes with own os, and your own men will write literally everything else (often including os) that will ever run on it, until it goes to the scrapyard -
asciilifeform: there was a plethora of interestingly-different machine architectures.
asciilifeform: e.g., cdc 6600
asciilifeform: the lisp machines (xerox and mit branches of the evolutionary trees, different in many interesting ways)
asciilifeform: the early crays
asciilifeform: then folks began to 'depend on things'
asciilifeform: and increasingly, 'hysterical raisins' became primary justification for all engineering decisions re: computer.
BingoBoingo: Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns
asciilifeform: this is in many ways a process analogous to ordinary senescence.
BingoBoingo: Ordinary only in pathophysiology, not in affect
asciilifeform: people age, and empires - and the 'computer we know' isn't really a separate animal from the u.s. empire.
asciilifeform: there were computers once, among the people of the east.
asciilifeform: !s trinary
asciilifeform: then they decided they like w4r3z rather too much
asciilifeform: to bother with own computers.
asciilifeform: why go through the grind of developing world from scratch, they thought, when you can l33ch l33t w4r3z like a pr0 in 21 days
BingoBoingo: ANd thus began the legend of niggers.txt
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BingoBoingo: The problem is encountering the actual mythical good is always a dissapointment.
asciilifeform: the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed
asciilifeform: ars longa, when you catch, kill, and dress the unicorn, can go after loch ness monster and many other prey.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed << rly ?!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns << the hittites never had iron. you're thinking the franks.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the Assyrians? Some sort of Turk turnt out the Jew bronze with their Iron.
decimation: re: design space << so part of the problem with "C" is that it tends to occupy this mental design space rapidly
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the franks.
mircea_popescu: "the iron! my god, the iron!" spoken in italia by the degenerate successors of the latins.
decimation: what about 'damascus steel'?
mircea_popescu: much later.
mircea_popescu: franks are a 800ad affair.
mircea_popescu: allah had been barely invented yet
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what about 'damascus steel'? << 4 digit number of years innovation
mircea_popescu: at the joseph smith stage yet.
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel << " From the 3rd century to the 17th century, India was shipping steel ingots to the Middle East.[14]"
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mircea_popescu: dunno what sort of steel they were shipping in 3ad.
decimation: yeah I think it was more "steel" than steel
mircea_popescu: swords are like computers - they only work for some grades of si
mircea_popescu: sand not acceptble.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tardpedia's fascination with the east and white-hating notwithstanding, steel is a western invention.
asciilifeform: invention - yes
asciilifeform: primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road
asciilifeform: but metallurgy - is white man's magic.
asciilifeform: protest of japanophiles notwithstanding
decimation: yeah I saw some documentary about japanese sword-making - that steel is closer to steel, but nowhere near modern quality
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road << Wootz yes, low hanging fruit. When I read Damascus though I think laminate forging process
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairnes, the gypsies did show real talent in working with zamak,
mircea_popescu: so much so they got dragged all over to europe by various turkic people.
mircea_popescu: but zamak is still zamak.
asciilifeform: gotta fix those pots & pans.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's post-byzantine conquest. strictly.
decimation: the turks conquered Byzantium and then headed east?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, but also the product normally refered to now as "Damascus" steel
mircea_popescu: decimation the golden crescent is this pulsing heart of human civilisaiton.
asciilifeform: see also: булат.
mircea_popescu: the most recent pulse went in all directions, just about to india.
mircea_popescu: it run into a hard wall at constantinople
mircea_popescu: but eventually overcame it.
mircea_popescu: (with hungarian cannons)
BingoBoingo: "Historical" Dracula
asciilifeform: !s drakula
mircea_popescu: nah, unrelated.
mircea_popescu: was some sort of columbus of metallurgy. little is known.
asciilifeform: not related at all.
asciilifeform: 'hedgehog marches in fog, with rifle on his shoulder.' 'not funny, but at least it's about the war!'
mircea_popescu: come to think about it : the original siege cannon was carried by two dozen oxen, fired twice a day, had to be cooled with hlf a ton of oil and exploded every two weeks killing everyone around
mircea_popescu: yet asciilifeform bitches about c.
asciilifeform: and gypsies worked in tin, lead, no possible zamac
mircea_popescu: tin, tin.
asciilifeform: (Al being a creature of modernity.)
asciilifeform: cannon aficionados should also think about chinese & korean leather cannon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in romanian it's how you say "base metal" generally.
decimation: http://video.pbs.org/video/1150578495/ << said documentary with a demonstration of Japanese steel-making
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asciilifeform: it was more or less guaranteed to rupture at one point, killing crew
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tatara comes from... guess ?
mircea_popescu: and they got it from... guess ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (Al being a creature of modernity.) << Elemental Al was accessible to ancients... at lightining strike sites
mircea_popescu: not saying they didn't get very good at it, they did.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and pure Fe, and Ir, etc. from meteorites.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: but the later easier to refine and heavier.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not much of these in actual archaeological practice, iirc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the mediteranean people volcanoes prolly more than meteorites.
BingoBoingo: A light shiny metal, Napoleon commisioned Aluminum flatware.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ditto amerinds
mircea_popescu: which is why vulcan lives underground not in the sky
asciilifeform: (e.g., obsidian)
asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives
BingoBoingo: obsidian conparatively common though. Aluminum might as well have been mythiril though
asciilifeform: the ancients would've laughed at Al.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives << DO you have a budget in mind?
asciilifeform: pretty damn useless metal, unless you can churn it out by the megatonne
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the ancients would've laughed at Al. BUt in the 18th and 19th centuries only nobels had aluminium helmets
asciilifeform: didn't really shine until aeronautics made folks itch for just it
asciilifeform: helmets << spoons
BingoBoingo: Still, how many obsiadian terroist knives, at what dimension, and in what quantity?
asciilifeform: for folks outside of usa, good story re: Al: in washington d.c., there is an enormous obelisk, 'washington monument.' it is tipped with a small pyramid of precious aluminum.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, they didn't come up with duralumin
asciilifeform: (extracted chemically at bowel-loosening expense)
mircea_popescu: which is what limited its early use
asciilifeform: more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today.
decimation: I believe that aluminum is part of the british crown jewels too
mircea_popescu: "it is not rare to see a palpable (and all the more so for its unpredictability) delay between pressing a key and the drawing of a symbol on the screen." << i have never seen this.
decimation: re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ms word much?
mircea_popescu: part of the reason perhaps being that if i had, i'd start bludgeoning the machine into the ground.
mircea_popescu: i think i had wordperfect on msdos
mircea_popescu: or was it wordstar maybe ?
mircea_popescu: word-something. like coin-* today
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decimation: I distinctly remember seeing word on windows and thinking it was a huge step back from wordperfect on dos
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that particular piece was written while waiting for a locked-up msword turd on a usg slavemachine, also running mandatory usg antivirus, which wedged the disk
BingoBoingo: decimation> re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping << Flint =/= obsidian
BingoBoingo: Also premier material for shaping flint, antler
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today. << /me may use for heat...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: glass scalpel << of late i have made much use of carbide cutting tools on lathe, which come with similar warnings.
asciilifeform: (brittle as all fuck, cannot tolerate lateral force much at all)
BingoBoingo: Exactly
decimation: yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade
mircea_popescu: "Recently, I devoted several sleepless nights to this problem. Why is it that our computers are getting faster and faster yet we are using them more and more to render things generated on some distant server? And it’s still slow!" <<< average bovine is comforted by the second delay.
mircea_popescu: it has time to think^H blink, damnit.
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BingoBoingo: <decimation> yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade << In an MRI tube what else can you use? Interventional radiology is lucrative
asciilifeform: time to think^H blink << 'The lights must never go out, The music must always play..., Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night, Who have never been happy or good.'
decimation: well, aluminium isn't magnetic right?
BingoBoingo: decimation, depends on magnet size
mircea_popescu: http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html quoted just to make stan bleed from the eyes.
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asciilifeform: bled already, done
asciilifeform: tiresome wankers linked it in my comments maybe 15 times
mircea_popescu: decimation that would have been the fucking moment of truth for the cataphract : when someone turned on a giant magnet
mircea_popescu: sort-of equivalent to the moment when archimedes turned on the mirrors.
asciilifeform: this actually plays out, as written, in an episode of disney's 'duck tales' i saw translated as a boy
mircea_popescu: In fact there are lots of great reasons for bloatware. For one, if programmers don't have to worry about how large their code is, they can ship it sooner. And that means you get more features, and features make your life better (when you use them) and don't usually hurt (when you don't).
asciilifeform: and, unless i'm hallucinating it, in 'connecticut yankee in king arthur's court'
mircea_popescu: ahahaha i feel so dirrrrty
mircea_popescu: check me out im a quotation slut.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen : if coders didn't have to worry about whether THEIR PROGRAM EVEN HALTS
mircea_popescu: they could ship it right now!
decimation: I blame fiat.
mircea_popescu: as joel well points out, we got a mental problem. no comprende como sheeping works.
decimation: it allows everyone to pass the buck up to the assignat printing press
mircea_popescu: "and the loss to the software company that has to give up two months of sales is even worse." << dat logic. so if i have sex for the first time today, rather than next week, i gain a full week of first time sexings.
decimation: writing nearly perfect code is possible, but anyone who tries loses in the market by those who 'get there first' writing crap
mircea_popescu: that's mostly his argument.
decimation: right, the point to realize is that the market is broken
BingoBoingo: And yet... What firewall beats pf atm?
decimation: I remember the original netscape - it was a pile of shit
mircea_popescu: every browser was a pile of shit.
asciilifeform: pioneered the modern shitpile, yes
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder the internet even stil exists.
asciilifeform: masters of turdatronics, went on to Great Things
mircea_popescu: in fact, the history of the internet and the browser narrowly mimicks the history of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: powerful idea, badly implemented by idiots.
asciilifeform: microscope.
decimation: yeah that's a scary parallel
asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out.' -- your truly
mircea_popescu: decimation just think, what they were. remember... lycos ?
mircea_popescu: altavista ?
decimation: lol yeah
mircea_popescu: search engine yo! internet wallets!
decimation: the only reason google 'took off' was the fact that their competitors sucked
mircea_popescu: someone actually thought that "yahoo" is a sane string to associate to your busines.
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking derrogatory, it's almost like calling bitcoin's media company "cunt, raw"
mircea_popescu: uh wait.
mircea_popescu: somethingelse.
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asciilifeform: 'yahoo' << 'houyhnhnm' just doesn't have the same ring.
decimation: as I recall the netscape was pretty much just a ripoff of mosaic
mircea_popescu: notrly, mosaic almost worked
asciilifeform: since we're on the subject of www,
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asciilifeform: ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms.
decimation: asciilifeform: it is sad that the pauper's computers 'won' in the long run
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms. << What, some people actually operate this way...
mircea_popescu: It says that it's from Sky Dayton (founder of Earthlink) although it is actually from Earthlink's direct marketing department. I can just see the thought going through the copy writer's head. "People won't open it unless it's from someone they know, and everyone knows Sky Dayton!"
mircea_popescu: anyone still know virgin atlantic branson dayton w/e his name was ?
BingoBoingo: Richard Branson?
decimation: asciilifeform: it's certain that there was some government meeting where the cl-http server was regarded as 'obsolete' because it wasn't compatible with frontpage or whatever
asciilifeform: decimation: mallery ported it to reasonably-standard common lisps. so it did not die with symbolics corp. however, he stuck a rather asinine license on it.
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asciilifeform: this was not the lethal pill, but didn't help.
mircea_popescu: decimation well at least he knows how to make a small fortune.
asciilifeform: incidentally, my little birds whisper to me that he now owns symbolics tech. co.
asciilifeform: and is an nsa stooge.
mircea_popescu: see, here's the thing : we had these idiots in romania, too. the sort that could be millionaires as long as the public treasury poured a billion or two in theior pants
asciilifeform: (mallery. not branson)
mircea_popescu: with some regularity.
asciilifeform: but similar.
decimation: wonder what the nsa would do with ancient lisp machines
asciilifeform: it's no secret what they do.
asciilifeform: run them.
asciilifeform: (or what, light cigs with them?)
mircea_popescu: deny them to the chicoms ?
decimation: deny them to everybody?
mircea_popescu: why did the barbarian conquer the roman temple ?
mircea_popescu: so the other barbarian couldn't jack off to the marbles.
asciilifeform: chicoms could be stamping'em out by the megatonne this friday if they wished it.
asciilifeform: i would personally help.
mircea_popescu: you just don't understand how thw world works.
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mircea_popescu: a pitbull will still try to take your toy
decimation: chicoms for some reason just want to reproduce shitty bezzletronics
mircea_popescu: even though you can just make a fucking toy factory
mircea_popescu: with its skull.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, now that im apparently using it, wtf does chicom even mean ?
asciilifeform: china/communist
asciilifeform: vs. the other smaller one
decimation: incidentally, there's a 2 hour podcast interview with Bil Herd of Commodore here (featuring that annoying australian): http://www.theamphour.com/222-an-interview-with-bil-herd-zany-z80-zygology/
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asciilifeform: what mention of commodore corp. without old jack tramiel!
asciilifeform: auschwitz to cabbie to repair money to tech ceo with a brain, one of the last.
asciilifeform: (yes, auschwitz)
decimation: heh yeah, in the podcast Bil blames the death of commodore on Mr. Tramiel's exit from the company
asciilifeform wonders if auschwitz or mit had more notable 'alumni'
mircea_popescu: jew joke nao.
decimation: according to Mr. Herd - Jack Tramiel ran Commodore with an iron fist. When he left, only derps were around to pretend to fill his shoes
mircea_popescu: " I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of planet e
decimation: I didn't realize - apparently Commodore made their own silicon chips, and even made their own LCD screens
mircea_popescu: arth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years. yet if Y2K doesn't light up most manager's view of the world of programming, there isn't hope for mankind at all."
mircea_popescu: lol. most kids today ARE coding
mircea_popescu: for the web
mircea_popescu: in .net vb
decimation: and .js!
asciilifeform: last i knew, commodore-64 still held the record for the greatest number of a particular design of computer ever built.
asciilifeform: (particular design - as in, same parts, same circuit)
asciilifeform: and this was on account of genuine popularity. no one buried these by the thousand in a desert.
asciilifeform: 'cheap and angry.'
asciilifeform: a few years later, the company tried selling what was, at the time, an 'actually nice' computer - 'amiga.'
decimation: according to Mr. Herd it was recently surpassed by the 'ipad' if you consider that to be a computer
asciilifeform: but - not compatible.
JorgePasada: Whatup nerds!?!?
asciilifeform: 'hysterical raisins.'
asciilifeform: decimation: which ipad? 1,2,3,4 ?
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada nothing much.
decimation: yeah I donno
decimation: here's some text from Mr. Herd (he was the hardware engineer for the c128) http://hackaday.com/2013/12/09/guest-post-the-real-story-of-hacking-together-the-commodore-c128/
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asciilifeform: c128 was arguably the beginning of the end
asciilifeform: live by the trabambourghini, die by the trabambourghini.
asciilifeform: retool for lambo after trambo - not easy.
decimation: yeah, he admitted it was 9 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag
asciilifeform: like starting life again.
decimation: in the podcast he said they should have produced the commodore LCD - which would have competed with the TRS-80
asciilifeform: when i came to usa, i saw a c128 in, of all places, a toy store.
asciilifeform: still don't know how it came to be there.
asciilifeform: that was the first and last time i ever saw one.
decimation: but apparently the fucktarded 'bitcoin ceo' who took over after Mr. Tramiel was speaking with the CEO of tandy who told him that here was "no money in portable computers"
asciilifeform: c64 - by the tonne.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in .net vb << In library school I was forced into this bullshit for a semester, final project I couldn't take it. Went FU here's a mono runtime in a jail and Visual C++ 6.0 that compiles to it because fuku
decimation: later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy
asciilifeform: c128 article << shows wire wraps as if it were exotic
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: you lot never did a wire wrap?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy << If you can point me to someone selling 90+ working samples... may be interested
asciilifeform: surely, just once, as a boy?
JorgePasada: Bah, getting kicked out of my friends place. Be back in 30. Been a while since I've been in here.
asciilifeform: what on earth does BingoBoingo want witj 90+ trash-eighties
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> surely, just once, as a boy? << I did the disposable camera to taser conversion wrapping to get taser voltages.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output? << Shhhh....
decimation: I haven't wire-wrapped myself, no - only soldered. but I have considered getting into it
asciilifeform: yknow, the one that strikes the 5kv or so arc so the ~300v cap can discharge through ionized xenon
decimation: it seems like an ideal method for prototyping logic
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a student, bought disposable camera (those existed) with flash, late in the night
asciilifeform: girl was wearing a shitmetal ring, it broke in half
asciilifeform: tried to plasma-weld it back using the flash.
asciilifeform: well, just the cap.
asciilifeform: ^ one of these buggers.
BingoBoingo: Ah, so the only reason people bought those
asciilifeform: i've no idea why anyone else bought them.
asciilifeform: but i cannot recommend.
BingoBoingo: Malice and pranks
BingoBoingo: Only reasons I know
mircea_popescu: lesson for stan : next time girl breaks her ring, don't try to weld it back on her.
asciilifeform: [insert mircea_popescu's tale about soldering with matches here]
asciilifeform: eh how'll it stay on ifya don't weld it back in the right place, lol
asciilifeform: incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field.
asciilifeform: perhaps using the same magic found in self-heating tinned food
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field. << SO story with those.
asciilifeform: pull the pin, it simmers along at 200C for half hour.
decimation: I've used butane soldering iron, works well
asciilifeform: also have.
asciilifeform: but - finnicky bugger, hisses, puffs, goes out in the rain
asciilifeform: no good for zombocalypsis.
BingoBoingo: Younger dumber highschool me got pretty girl I'd been seeing pretty ring, and being youg poor white trash me I completely ignored subtexts in acquiring 10 gold ring with colored quartz rock. Girl got ideas, ring was rendered part of schoolbus floor
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asciilifeform does not wear rings today.
asciilifeform: pet doesn't either
asciilifeform: they get in the way of - work.
decimation: they also expose you to the risk of your finger flesh being ripped off
asciilifeform: ripped, roasted, zapped, amalgamated, dissolved, turned on lathe, milled off
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't get it, you got cvasi-married ?
asciilifeform: clippered, sheared, ionized.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Her poorer, more white trash ass thought so.
mircea_popescu: why so harsh.
decimation: I found a titanium ring is good for me most of the time, completely anti-reactive to skin and also cheap
decimation: but solves none of the above problems
mircea_popescu: some professional lines require rings.
BingoBoingo: Everything is fun and games until poorer and more white trash tries to become a precondition for future life
asciilifeform: professional... rings << hollywood ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?!
mircea_popescu: i dont even.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?! << WHere???
mircea_popescu: are these for afficionados, light enough to attach scope to ?
BingoBoingo waits for inevitable DU brass knuckles
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbrUnQPbpEU persay.
BingoBoingo: Wait, who seriously can't pirate Poor Man's James Bond vol. 1-4?
BingoBoingo: Why aluminium?
mircea_popescu: for scope.
mircea_popescu: only explanation possible.
asciilifeform: [insert 'tactical stick' here]
BingoBoingo: Why not wet sopping rag knuckle dusters, they'll have more mass
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asciilifeform: kubotan << see also демократизатор ('democratizer')
BingoBoingo: Kind of looking forward to more action on that front as the Saudis try to bankrupt US Bezzel "oil" men
assbot: Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: lol " In April 2010 actor and entertainer Darren Day was found guilty of possessing an offensive weapon, namely a Kubotan-style keyring, by a court in Edinburgh.[4]"
decimation: so, usg & friends might arrest you if you carry a stick
assbot: Демократизатор — Lurkmore
decimation: asciilifeform: is that what russian cops use to beat hippies?
BingoBoingo: Only outside of a legitimate domicile. Within domicile even a fucking claymore sword is fair game.
asciilifeform: decimation: the very same.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Russian batons... have a very dildonic look
asciilifeform: small translation: 'rubber cock. lever of perestroika. anal irritator. in the 2000s - stabilizator. also 'attitude adjuster'.'
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3R1VHGS.txt )
BingoBoingo: So... basically a kinder soldering iron alternative...
asciilifeform: linked article mentions a popular brand among ru police, 'argument.'
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many russian policemen used it to touch themselves.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3BN8DAH.txt )
asciilifeform: and handcuffs sold under brands 'tenderness' (one prisoner) and 'tenderness-2' (hold five)
asciilifeform: this is ordinary, brw
mircea_popescu: anyway, all the excitement i can take. later all!
asciilifeform: tear gas was labeled under brand 'hackberry' (черёмуха)
asciilifeform also to bed
BingoBoingo: In this colony hackberry is ornamental tree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtis_occidentalis
assbot: Celtis occidentalis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo has formative memories of hackberry as tree that drops limbs everywhere and fucks shit up
cazalla: home again, not much news around by looks of it anyway so didn't miss much
cazalla: ;;isitdown qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
cazalla: lies
ben_vulpes: holy hell i blink and 800 lines appear
ben_vulpes must catch up later
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23370 @ 0.00073217 = 17.1108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Troubles Continue For Canandian Bitcoin Miner Dominion Bitcoin Mining Company | Qntra.net
Duffer1: ;;isdown trilema.com
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
Duffer1: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: do you read all those papers you link?
RagnarDanneskjol: mostly yes
punkman: sounds like torture :P
RagnarDanneskjol: its fascinating for me. i really enjoy thorough research even if conclusions/methods are somewhat flawed
punkman: "we show how our Accountable Storage protocol can be integrated with Bitcoin, to support automatic compensations proportional to the number of corrupted bits at the server. We also build and evaluate our protocols showing that they perform well in practice."
punkman: have these people been outside the lab?
RagnarDanneskjol: ha! doubtful
punkman: oh hey 3 greek dudes in author list
punkman: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? < they use nlocktime, so no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3981 @ 0.00073612 = 2.9305 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 66(Y):34(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,527.
assbot: Introducing "Introducing Neals" Indiegogo Project | Qntra.net
cazalla: !up Vexual
Vexual: call me rabbit
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 70(Y):30(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,477.
assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos visits Down Under | CoinJar Blog
jurov just came from dentist.. one tooth, 45 minutes and total exhaustion of both me and doctor
jurov: !up Vexual
Vexual: extraction?
jurov: no, i don't know the term... hollowed down to the root and filled
Vexual: oh root anal
Vexual: *canal
jurov: lol
jurov: such slip
Vexual: my typos anent usuall so dumb
Vexual: did you get novocaine?
assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol
punkman: "You should save the "Gavin is trying to impress evil institutional investors" mud-slinging for when I get around to laying out the argument for increasing the block size, because that would be closer to the truth."
cazalla: zzz night
jurov: no anesthetic needed fortunately
punkman: ah was it that dead
mats_cd03: gop wins senate majority
mats_cd03: i lose bitbet :<
punkman: kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it
assbot: BitBet Stats
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2014 21:56:59; punkman: so I just put together something to test betting strategies on past bitbets and guess what, betting 0.1 on No on all resolved bets would result in a net gain of 9.7 BTC
assbot: An easy way to combine the power of .Net and Java | mikegrim
jurov: let's port bitcoin to java on top of dotnet!
davout: jurov: gotta get these pretty swing windows in dotnet
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
kakobrekla: thats no update
punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove?
kakobrekla: cant think of a good reason why not
bounce: that reads like the guy is a bit confused. then again, he certainly isn't the only one.
bounce subtly points out that you can run other things besides java on jvm too. like ruby, and python, and there's a lisp....
jurov: that was subtle suggestion of pytho->java->dotnet stack?
jurov: yean with random assortment of libraries on every layer
bounce: can we dotnet in javascript yet? with one of those nice accellerated js interpreters? It'll go lots faster that way, I'm sure.
bounce: s/dotnet/run &/
assbot: Internet Arcade : Free Software : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
punkman: but yeah if there's linux on js, you can probably do .net
wyrdmantis: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'wyrdmantis', with hostmask 'wyrdmantis!57099fab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.9.159.171', is identified as user 'wyrdmantis', with GPG key id 8B34AE9647FC7203, key fingerprint 146F3890EFFC6C796CB129BC8B34AE9647FC7203, and bitcoin address None
assbot: The Effect of Programming Language On Software Quality - Slashdot
bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science!
jurov: bounce: gotta pick the best from every language !!!11
bounce: that's more or less what the PHP "designers" think they're doing. so... if you want that, you know where to get it.
jurov: word
wyrdmantis: ahahah grreat gif kakobrekla
bounce: hm. php on jvm? maybe retarget that facebook php compiler thing?
kakobrekla: punkman> kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it < and they say pessimism isnt worth it.
assbot: BitBet Stats
assbot: [BitFunder] IceDrill.ASIC IPO (235 Thash Mining Operation powered by HashFast)
kakobrekla: Blazedout419 (he is here in the chan) > I am sure will and deadterra have done quite well on this scam...
kakobrekla: while he carries another scam in the signature.
kakobrekla: congratulations, mister chump of 2014
mircea_popescu: lol wait wut ?
kakobrekla: (the gaw miner)
mircea_popescu: this plot is pretty thickened!
assbot: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
punkman: "Stop holding my coins hostage, pay out my divs so I may reinvest them. I am loosing potential profit because of your practice. " << lol
kakobrekla: if someone has a working retard talk account, ping geegaw to come by ?
kakobrekla: >That's what sucked me in, I saw a lot of posts about 1-2 month ROI's so I bought my Zens retail from GAW @ 17.95 next day worked out my ROI 217 days, the very next day 1 year ROI (approx), next day retail Zens @ 14.95 and ROI infinity +1. Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked.
punkman: I thought magic cloud miners would autoscale
bounce: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/atlas-314-3-d-printed-guns-bullets/ <- how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel
assbot: The Bullet That Could Solve 3-D Printed Guns' Reliability Problem | WIRED
mircea_popescu: " Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked." << duh.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel <<< pressed shit works just fine, when smeared on actually functioning machines!
mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << now look what you did! cazalla & bingo
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
mircea_popescu: This site reaches over 3,428 monthly people, of which 2,111 (62%) yesterday.
bounce: "mobile web" + "online" = "web". dat distinction.
mircea_popescu: marketeers know words.
mircea_popescu: good thing mr police guy made me fucking move it.
mircea_popescu: else this'd be a ddos.
kakobrekla: eh? slashdot your target audience? top comment there: I bought one of these. It took a VERY long time to arrive, and only worked for a few weeks. I contacted them for warranty repair and they simply never responded after that. I am out around $3000.
bounce: so does quantcast count wordpress as "people"?
kakobrekla: you are basically talking to retard talk with green css
mircea_popescu: bounce what do you mean by "wordpress" ?
bounce: those pingbacks
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. it is a news venue. it talks to retards. this, we knew going in.
mircea_popescu: bounce if it counted that qntra'd be well above gawker this month.
bounce: sounds legit
punkman: you have to run the quantcast javascript to count
bounce: reimplement in php and submit as a patch to wordpress
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how they do traffic measuring these days. i have no doubt whatsoever that it can be gamed.
punkman: oh they have a fallback tracking pixel too
mircea_popescu: !up dgeats
assbot: F.DERP October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: if anyoen wants to give a final look to the month's statements, please do. i'll be signing them and deeding them later today.
punkman: oh it's a verb now
mircea_popescu: it hastabe
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller fixed.
assbot: Современное стрелковое оружие мира - Специальные Российские патроны
assbot: Бесшумный патрон ХМ76 (США) » Военное обозрение
asciilifeform: long, long invented.
mircea_popescu: us creativity is an exercise in rebranding these days. http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ etc
assbot: Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://world.guns.ru/img/logo/logo_12.png << logo of word.guns.ru is... a pen.
mircea_popescu: because totally.
mircea_popescu: !up menahem
asciilifeform: both of the above historic examples also featured gas seal (piston pushed out bullet) and therefore silent.
menahem: yo pimps. :)
mircea_popescu: well yeah, if you're going to make a gun-cartridge might as well make it sealed.
mircea_popescu: and who might you be menahem ?
menahem: n00b following the rules set forth by good 'ol pete dushenski
asciilifeform: sealed shell was, iirc, a bitch re: disposal
menahem: reading logs, etc.
mircea_popescu: menahem is it any fun ?
asciilifeform: (had to be treated with care, crushed in specially designed compactor)
menahem: ha, yea. most of it is great, some stuff takes a few re-reads.
menahem: i've met a few bitcoin-assets ppl around the globe already, not knowing until later that they were all in the wot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's wrong with just burying them in a pile ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident menahem
gribble: Nick 'menahem', with hostmask 'menahem!~menahem@CPE705681c7a4c1-CMbc1401ee7d10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: so time to get in then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: brass was precious, must recycle
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modern ru shells are, mostly, steel though.
menahem: lemme verify my id again. brb, heading to an office space. gracias for the welcome.
assbot: Hi folks, I'm a homeowner on XXXXX Street, and I'm writing to complain -- onc - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, wouldn't a continuous furnace be the best approach ?
nubbins`: ^ that's the email i wrote to the city
mircea_popescu: keep adding 1 cartridge/second, keep taking molten stuff out.
nubbins`: a couple councillors email back "we will notify the appropriate people" etc
nubbins`: then the MAYOR emails me back, CCing the city manager:
assbot: Dave Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to t - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: my sides
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is this slumlord the new official slur for this circumstance ?
mircea_popescu: !up rdekley
nubbins`: i can picture the old fart hove off on his couch w/ his ipad, smoking a cigar, "y'know what? enough IS enough"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu gotta call a diamond a diamond
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, the mayor response would be a better paste. we don't care what YOU said :D
nubbins`: too true, but bg info!
nubbins`: anyway, i pasted both, parse em as you will ;p
nubbins`: so i got that reply late last night. today, the city comes, picks up the trash out front, gets a ladder, and REATTACHES THE DECK TO THE HOUSE
nubbins`: my sides
mircea_popescu: "the XXXXX Street area is a shitty, needle-littered dump" << srsly ?
nubbins`: i gotta take a picture
nubbins`: mircea_popescu not as bad as i make it seem
nubbins`: but you do find needles from time to time
mircea_popescu: maybe it's from all the diabethics.
nubbins`: "fuck the sharps container, this one's going in the road"
nubbins`: feed that woman enough beans and she'd make a great espresso machine
mircea_popescu: ahahahhaha
mircea_popescu: true story : i once spent in excess of an hour inserting coffee beans one by one into girl butt. just to see what'd happen.
mircea_popescu: sadly, no espresso.
nubbins`: bet it was a crazy buzz tho
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ^ that little bit of white trim is where the door used to be
nubbins`: anyway, good on the city, i guess; reattaching the deck is way cheaper than dismantling it and hauling it to the dump
mircea_popescu: north american houses look so shitty i swear.
nubbins`: plastic is the new wood
kakobrekla: Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to the
kakobrekla: property owner , no matter what the cost to the owner! Enough is enough! < ask for pgp signed statement, email isnt safe.
nubbins`: doc o'keefe don't give a fuck about no pgp
mircea_popescu: i'm giving even odds the guy doesn't end up paying for it.
kakobrekla: no, nubbins` will pay.
kakobrekla: (After some years)
nubbins`: i already pay plenty by living next to the guy
nubbins`: anyway, would be interesting to see how many prior invoices have gone unpaid
nubbins`: this is maybe the 5th time in 3 years i've made this happen ;/
mircea_popescu: generally, nubbins wars against people owning half the street go pretty predictable.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2014 21:08:35; asciilifeform: the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept
nubbins`: mircea_popescu no doubt, but it's my duty
kakobrekla: next week will be "o wait, it costs 6k? no we are not paying for THAT. 6k is not "whatever it costs", its 3k more than that."
mircea_popescu: but no, coupla hours with a crew and a truck is what, 350 ?
nubbins`: union crew, buddy
nubbins`: try again
mircea_popescu: minimum wage is still 10 bux or so in canada neh ?
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit.
nubbins`: $10.25 in 2dl afaicr
nubbins`: varies by province
nubbins`: city workers prolly get 25-35/hr during business hours
mircea_popescu: right. 6 grunts for 2 hours + driver counted as 2 = 160 bux. 80 for the truck, provided you don't actually have a deal and get it for 6k or so a month.
mircea_popescu: 100 left over for profit.
nubbins`: would love to see o'dea's face when he gets the bill
nubbins`: "deck reattachment: $200"
nubbins`: "...what?"
mircea_popescu: you missed the chance to put an i in there.
nubbins`: barring ambiguousness, pronouns should always be omitted
nubbins`: one thing the castellanos did right
jurov: nubbins`: just put a deck, too? you said you want it
nubbins`: i've already got a deck!
nubbins`: needs a bit of work tho ;/
jurov: so the solution is very easy
jurov: bribe the town crew to fix the yours one
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "dick"
nubbins`: dicksurgery.ca
jurov: and watch it billed to him
mircea_popescu: lol "the yours one" j is adoooohrable!
jurov: oh
nubbins`: "yeah, o'dea said he was gonna buy a bunch of pizza and leave it out front, but he didn't...
nubbins`: enough is enough! order a jumbo meat lovers and send the donair sauce to the property owner!
jurov: !ud donair sauce
jurov: ;;ud donair sauce
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Donair | A Donair consists of a fried pita with shredded spiced beef cooked on a spit than covered in Sweet sauce ( Condensed milk , Sugar and vinegar) with...
mircea_popescu: putting sugar on meat wtf is wrong with people.
assbot: The devil is real: little girl tells Christian preacher to shut up - YouTube
nubbins`: FWIW the "sweet sauce" has garlic as the main spice
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you don't dry-rub your briskets?!
punkman: I've never had one with sweet sauce
nubbins`: halifax-style donair sauce is the best thing
assbot: All things Donair: Halifax Donair Sauce, Donair Meat, Donair Subs, Donair Pizza Recipes (And Garlic Fingers?)
nubbins`: i like making a huge batch of donairs once or twice a year
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dry rub, yes. thyme-and-garlic.
nubbins`: no sugar?!
mircea_popescu: no sugar.
nubbins` shakes head
mircea_popescu: and it's fucking donner kebap what you're going for
mircea_popescu: not "donair"
mircea_popescu: comes from the danube.
nubbins`: i'm canadian, it's a donair.
mircea_popescu: where is that oglaf.
assbot: Doner kebab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: bbl gotta go buy a donair
assbot: Muster the troops
mircea_popescu: DON THE CROWN!
nubbins`: i still can't believe she wasn't a donair
mircea_popescu: k.o.d ? srsly ?
nubbins`: ok, peace
jurov: well... when i was in vancouver, my relatives there obviously knew better than to introduce us to poutine and donair
nubbins`: ;;google king of donair trailer park boys
gribble: King of Donair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Donair>; King Of Donair Party - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WqEq-v1wu8>; Trailer Park Boys Off-Set Filming Locations - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23OpCSxOUlE>
jurov: only long after i discovered these "canadian foods"
mircea_popescu: jurov "what stupid poor people would eat if they had no mothers."
nubbins`: o wow
nubbins`: fun fact, poutine is a common "first solid food" for babies in northern canada
nubbins`: chew on THAT for a bit.
mircea_popescu: poutine is actually not that bad.
mircea_popescu: kinda normandy sort of thing, but hey.
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin isn't a security, if they say it's a security, they would be the first government in the world to give Bitcoin that sort of value or endorsement." << reading between the lines, "leadership coach" that doesn't understand either bitcoin or his jurisdiction is shitting his pants.
mircea_popescu: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? << no dude, "corrupted bit" count totally is the correct proxy for insurance claims.
mircea_popescu: that's why car claims are based on square cms of ruined paint.
mircea_popescu: it's a shame that most people go to their graves with 99%+ intact bodies.
mircea_popescu: a sad testament to the poor quality of healthcare offered before obamacare became a thing.
mircea_popescu: ok, jurov's root anal / total exhaustion of all parties thing is in bash now. which i think jurov mods... so preemptive SCAM!
mircea_popescu: somehow the quotes collected together get FUNNIER than they were in the logs. http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304 << had me laughing out loud.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
thestringpuller: ;;seen cazalla
gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <cazalla> zzz night
thestringpuller: damn i missed him
mircea_popescu: punkman not only am i not loading google js pilefest sites, but is the dude even in the wot ?
jurov: what's scammy on it?
jurov: on the root anal
mircea_popescu: well nothing yet
mircea_popescu: but maybe you don't approve it, how do i know
mircea_popescu: gotta be vigilant!
jurov: regardless it gets approved or not, i'll blame it on kako
punkman: oh never mind, they generate fake addresses like the first deedbot. http://vog.github.io/bitcoinproof/
assbot: Bitcoinproof
mircea_popescu: kako is responsible for like 40% of somalia's milk production.
jurov: that's not milk, but donair
mircea_popescu: punkman why do you care anyway ? it's done.
punkman: gonna write article eventually
mircea_popescu: waste of your time, trying to find someone do something useful before WE did it.
punkman: well someone had the idea in 2011 at least, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52715.5
assbot: Using bitcoin for trusted timestamping?
jurov: kakobrekla you removed "cunt raw" before my eyes... you did not get it?
jurov: just say "cunt raw ex" aloud
mircea_popescu: jurov why "ex" ?
mircea_popescu: you think it's contravex ?!
jurov: wow, it has even another meaning?
mircea_popescu: this one is only there for russian speakers, because in english u never crosses the barrier to a, nor w (a sort of u) to v
kakobrekla: jurov i guess i dont find it bash worthy
kakobrekla: one thing to note jurov, when you approve, do them in order from top down
jurov: yea i know and did it
kakobrekla: sometimes i go through the pending list and just delete what i dont see worthy
kakobrekla: and leave the quotes that im not sure what to do with, or how to cut them
kakobrekla: for a later decision
assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol
kakobrekla: i see you just flushed everything down the toilet
jurov: no i actually accepted everything that was left
kakobrekla: that the toilet
jurov: oh that's what you mean
kakobrekla: the delete is the trash bin!
mircea_popescu: lol the bathroom life : either trash bin or toilet.
jurov: and qntra is the sink
assbot: And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: then by october he was already making preparatory moves.
kakobrekla: <jurov> and qntra is the sink < bidet you mean prolly
kakobrekla: is that how you call it in ro?
mircea_popescu: it ? which it ?
kakobrekla: pizdit
jurov: pizdet === bidet?
mircea_popescu: haha nah
jurov: or it's special bidet only for pizdas? and the other one is pulet?
mircea_popescu: well the bidet IS for pizde. and i guess for dudes cursed with a cock so short
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even reach the water in the normal wc.
kakobrekla: isnt bidet for ass?
mircea_popescu: if you swing that way...
jurov feels trilema exhortation on private hygiene upcoming
kakobrekla: ;;google bidet ass clean
gribble: Clean Butt: <http://www.cleanbutt.com/>; Clean Butt!!! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4MHdDGiYGs>; Clean Your Butt with a Biffy - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_iizpAsczM>
mircea_popescu: i should have called it trizdets
mircea_popescu: alas... too late.
kakobrekla: cleanbutt.com sez yes
mircea_popescu: bezzle butts, what do they know.
punkman: https://github.com/FactomProject/FactomDocs proof of existence, sidechains, bitcoin2.0 etc
assbot: FactomProject/FactomDocs · GitHub
mircea_popescu: oh, bitcoin 2.0 already ?
mircea_popescu: punkman honestly, i do not believe the empty wankfest of these schmucks "having ideas" and resolving theoretical problems in theoretical ways should in any shape or form be encouraged.
mircea_popescu: this dovetails into stans permabitch about the "mathematizing" and "proofs" issues in general computation theory
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand into the business side of "your ideas are worthless, and what your head produced can't even be called an idea in any sense" i used to rant about back in 2013ish.
mircea_popescu: kids need clear signals to be able to live their lives rather than dream their lives, and encouraging this stupidity is the wrong signal.
mircea_popescu: !up starzz_
starzz_: Hello. I want to join the cult
mircea_popescu: ok, you're in.
starzz_: lol
starzz_: will work for a rate
mircea_popescu: work doing what ?
starzz_: have a stupid article to write for qntra
mircea_popescu: write it, submit to cazalla
mircea_popescu: ;;ident starzz_
gribble: Nick 'starzz_', with hostmask 'starzz_!180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.15.106.240', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: heh. maybe get in the wot first eh.
starzz_: in there. Don't know why it's not showing up here (otc it did)
mircea_popescu: if gribble dun see you it dun see you. -otc -assets or anywhere else. maybe you disconnected.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: gop wins senate majority << wow srsly ?!
starzz_: Must be it. Thanks.
mircea_popescu: punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove? <<< yeah.
mircea_popescu: bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science! <<< this science allowed me to win the lottery for fifty eight times in a row by always wearing the same shirt i wore when i won the first time.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2014/phriday/scifi_placement/Palpek_33.gif <<< i can't believe libertard central is still pushing this "need government for roads!" dead meme.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you couldn't have dug up boston for a decade if there wasn't government to make it cost 10 trillion.
mircea_popescu: roads, yo!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they're bitching about fossil fuels. here's an idea, libertard lobby : your understanding of bitcoin is going to fix the problem you imagine is "global warming". why hate ?
ben_vulpes: https://unsee.cc/sigaroze/ << i came home to a surprise celebration of...tuesday!
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mircea_popescu: soo, unrelatedly : the republicans now own the house, majority in the senate, a bunch more governors...
ben_vulpes: more importantly
ben_vulpes: yesterday was tuesday!
mircea_popescu: obama just went on a two year vacation, at a cost of a bunch of money.
ben_vulpes: usgpolitics boooooring
mircea_popescu: myeah. i remember the days a coupla years ago that used to be a part of the conversation.
mircea_popescu: incredible how much a few years change in the third world.
ben_vulpes: if we absolutely must talk uspolitics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Y24MFOfFU
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mircea_popescu: such bad voice acting.
ben_vulpes: that she shakes her head while saying "i approve this message" made me lol.
mircea_popescu: `--- `--- `--- awkward patter bullshit with the headcharge movement to boot
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point where trying to be taught something in the us is a worse gambit than just not washing.
mircea_popescu: !up qntranet
qntranet: starzz again
qntranet: following the link to contact cazala
qntranet: I know. Who knew? Just click the link and I'm qntra?
mircea_popescu: just so we know you came throug there.
qntranet: Oh. Okay.
mircea_popescu: google : "Barack Obama, Presidential term January 20, 2009 –"
mircea_popescu: check it out, google is making a prediction.
qntranet: I've been reading you for a year. I'm learning how. I've signed onto otc & know how to get in wot
qntranet: I can afford to write an article. I don't have the 30 btc for Mpex (or I'd buy bitbet shares)
mircea_popescu: qntranet you can just use coinbr ?
qntranet: See. that's what us edumacation does for one lol
jurov: qntranet any suggestion where coinbr should be advertised?
jurov: so that people know about it?
qntranet: it's tough to break into the media.
mircea_popescu: jurov qntra, apparently.
qntranet: That's what I think my article might do.
punkman: jurov, mpex homepage :P
jurov: it is mentioned in the mpex faq
kakobrekla: jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that. my humble opinion.
jurov: long past most people's attantion span, tho
qntranet: Remove the scare factor a little bit
qntranet: I know there are other people like me who get it
assbot: About CoinBr
qntranet: lol cd03
jurov: i know.. but still .. when there is only ~10 people who actually pay these 2 bitcents
jurov: i don[t believe it would be so much more when it's free
mats_cd03: i don't mind the bitcent fees tbh
kakobrekla: i just pass on what i heard.
mircea_popescu: jurov what is it, 2 bitcents / mo ?
jurov: yes. since november
mircea_popescu: eh, that's reasonable.
punkman: jurov, 0.1 year paid up-front might do better
jurov: plus another two per withdrawal
mircea_popescu: wtf, since when is 5 bux not free.
mircea_popescu: same people then derp all about how ipad is great, costs them a little more than 5 bux, delivers a lot less.
jurov: er.. since *last* november
kakobrekla: if 5 bux is change then you just get mpex acc its like 10 bux at the current btc price
jurov: kakobrekla wtf?
kakobrekla: which part
jurov: can't pinpoint
jurov: just rephrase it all
kakobrekla: ;;calc 30 * 300
gribble: 9000
kakobrekla: see, 10 bux
qntranet: thanks ya'll. I have a coinbr account to create.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 30 / 0.02
gribble: 1500
jurov: these kakobux
mircea_popescu: today we find kakobrekla's cock is approximately 28 miles long.
kakobrekla: mebbe
mircea_popescu: makes long distance relationships that much easier for him.
kakobrekla: 28 miles is not that much easier
jurov: pity he lives it that part of world where you can't get 10 miles without encountering town or road
mircea_popescu: who else can fuck planes ?
kakobrekla: or a bear
jurov: planes? 28 miles is enough for orbital launch!
kakobrekla: anyway shutup i got work to do.
jurov: kako's preparing for another lauch
jurov: *launch
kakobrekla: lunch!
kakobrekla: omnom
jurov: suborbital jizz insertion
mircea_popescu: the ultimate face splat experience. you don;t even know whom it's gonna end up on!
jurov: ICJMs
jurov: !up CheckDavid
CheckDavid: Thanks jurov
CheckDavid: A while ago i saw a notification here about a gold bet placed on bitbet.us, but now i can't find it.
mircea_popescu: !s gold bitbet
assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 2 weeks 3 days ago
jurov: when you put gold into the searchox, it won't come up?
mircea_popescu: "where should the searchbox advertise itself" is jurov's q.
CheckDavid: jurov: some gold bets come up, but i don't think its the one that i saw in the notification
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid maybe that one closed ?
CheckDavid: That's what i was thinking mircea_popescu
CheckDavid: Doesn't show up in closed either, but not impotant
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mats_cd03: i wonder what glad tidings gop congress will bring
mircea_popescu: basically, either they start taking obamacare apart or lose their mommentum
bounce: lovely error message: "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." -- but naturally, DO NOT EVER show the poor user the list of supported protocols, because, you know, having the user guess is much better than showing what you do know.
mircea_popescu: granted that dismating it now is probably the worst possible outcome, way worse than never having implemented it in the first place.
mircea_popescu: bounce "please upgrade"
mircea_popescu: it's constructed to support a certain ideology. that ideology does not include the user contributing anything.
kakobrekla: since when do you listen to cow moos
jurov: as for WoL.. did you ever do any giveaways on trolltalk? such as coinroll raffles, they made wonders
mircea_popescu: jurov put some numbers on those wonders ?
jurov: scrat put 100btc in, got several hundred out
jurov: if someone (mpif nudge wink) gave us some dought, i'm sure it could be repeated
jurov: *dough
mircea_popescu: so wait. 100 btc raffle resulted in >30k worth of bets from bitcointalk ?
jurov: yes
jurov: r dunno from where
mircea_popescu: i tell you i don't see it.
jurov: Namworld you around?
jurov: !up Namworld
jurov: he should know concrete numbers, it was tracked
mircea_popescu: anyway, there were all sorts of offers, matching gains, i dun recall it all.
mircea_popescu: didn't do much.
mircea_popescu: US $133,700 to turn the new album into an hour long musical anime
mircea_popescu: something's wrong here.
mircea_popescu: 70k frames at >1 dollar per frame ? i should make a korean drawing company.
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: know where i can find K&R 1st ed warez? ive only read 2nd ed, and i can't find the first through hefty googling.
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mircea_popescu: jurov what, is 2008 coming back in style ?
jurov: maybe that anime is done similar way
mircea_popescu: actually that was more like 2005 iirc.
The20YearIRCloud: What album?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla:jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that << aha.
asciilifeform: ^ censored from 'google' incidentally.
mats_cd03: my hero
asciilifeform: note that classical 'k&r' variant of the language used a now-archaic function declaration style. that extant compilers have less than perfect support for.
asciilifeform: other than that, it's a perfectly living book.
bounce ran into an open tab with the purported cex/ghash sec letter. can't help but wonder what happened next.
kakobrekla: bounce they upped their advertising cannons.
kakobrekla: get as much chumps before they need to dox them
bounce: so no meaningful reply except a stream of dox to be expected then. right.
bounce: kinda curious since they're apparently registered in london.
kakobrekla: well buttstamp gives dox to usg
kakobrekla: so they can be a part of their averaged out ticker
kakobrekla: and they are in eu/uk/si
kakobrekla: bitstamp is legal by being retarded evil scammers
kakobrekla: so much for regulation
bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us."
kakobrekla: you mean MP? :D
cazalla: damn BingoBoingo, you were not kidding about that quantcast.. i had to get up early and chase the rubbish truck down the street as someone forgot to put the bins out last night :\
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-03/msg01535.html << when the firing squads at last for folks such as these?
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asciilifeform: (for the malefactors who give cause for such discussions, not the participants therein)
asciilifeform: and an advance fuckyou to anyone who might bitch, 'you whine about modeline vs. mode-line but you even want to switch to trinary computer and no existing soft.'
asciilifeform: to which i answer: toilet - is good to have. kitchen sink - also good. toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. the 'middle ground' is an idiot delusion, generally.
chetty: asciilifeform, hahahaha best explanation of that I have heard, I am gonna steal it
asciilifeform: chetty: al schwartz had the ultimate mindfucker of an explanation:
asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases, has increasingly greater fraction of its volume closer and closer to the surface.
asciilifeform: chetty: (if you don't believe this - work it out!)
asciilifeform: chetty: hence, 'extremist' solutions, as dimensions are added to a problem (seen as a 'spherical horse' of course) are largely where the answers lie.
asciilifeform: chetty: and not in 'moderation.'
asciilifeform: chetty: unfortunately schwartz's original essay appears to be lost in the burned library of googlexandria - usenet archive.
chetty: all very true, but not as much fun as the first one asciilifeform
asciilifeform: chetty: more fun. because in many cases you can blow idiots straight out of the water, with rigorous mathematical rocket, with it.
chetty: hmmm and when you put that together with the overton window ...now I got to think some
chetty: unfortunately not that many people can follow the math of it
asciilifeform: this was not real maths! strictly first grade.
asciilifeform: if you understand pythagorean theorem, you can do this one.
chetty: I seem to find a lot of people that cant even make change
asciilifeform: chetty: i'd love to know who is behind the delusion that 'mathematical ability' is the ability to mentally crunch small numbers quickly.
chetty: haha, yeah it doesn't really mean that much, but it does put me off trying to explain things
chetty: anyway if you think about the overton window only letting you see the middle parts of the sphere it does explain a lot
asciilifeform: incidentally,
asciilifeform: ^ possibly shortest interesting academpaper ever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00070575 = 1.7291 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: jurov: i just pinged the turdolator and didn't get a bounce and don't see it in the archives.
ben_vulpes is confus
chetty: now that one makes my head hurt :P
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
ben_vulpes: salud Pierre_Rochard
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard how is work. What was for lunch today? ;)
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: work is going well, we just moved half the employees to the other side, of I have an office to myself now. Just sandwiches
Pierre_Rochard: so I have*
thestringpuller: fancy new office! always a good day.
kakobrekla: toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. < toilet and bidet hybrids do well in china
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: thought it was a jp thing
kakobrekla: oh it might be jp sry
The20YearIRCloud: So how goes it everyone
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, whoever else: has anyone taken an interest in actually making the turd vaguely usable? namely, plugging the leaks (yes, all of them) and zapping the idiotic db corruption (supposedly 'rare': http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/2051)
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nubbins`: !s preferred syntax highlighting style
assbot: 1 results for 'preferred syntax highlighting style' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=preferred+syntax+highlighting+style
nubbins`: asciilifeform ^
asciilifeform: nubbins`: we are far, far from the point where the answer to this question matters.
ben_vulpes: memory leaks for your book?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what we have now is unusable crud.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as in it cannot be used, at all.
ben_vulpes: because it fails to bring the whole chain down?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that, and it leaks memory. which means human intervention required.
nubbins`: something tells me this book ain't getting done by nov 15 ;D
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: actually in its wedged state it leaks so rapidly that it soaks up 8GB in six or so hours. while failing to fetch any blocks.
nubbins`: meantime, i may have something special lined up for the cover
ben_vulpes: damn.
nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how was the donairine
mircea_popescu: !up fordlincoln
nubbins`: i settled for a meat sub instead
nubbins`: didn't have time for a donair ;/
mircea_popescu: bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us." << depends on what you mean by get away.
ben_vulpes: i wonder if 0.6.3 shows the same behavior.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` isn't this fast food ?
ben_vulpes: not that moving forwards to "version number" parity with the rangers is in any way a good idea, just to handle this crud.
nubbins`: fast to order... eating it in a reasonable amount of time is the problem
nubbins`: you need like 30-45 minutes to eat a donair
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol asci-ilifeform
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cazalla: i'll keep pasting em seeing scoopbot no longer has the scoop
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases << this is actually interesting to work out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i deliberately left the proof as exercise for the interested readers.
mircea_popescu: the area (ie, 2d volume) of a circle (ie, 2d sphere) is pi r ^ 2. the area of a circle half as big ? pi (r/2) ^ 2. so therefore 3/4 of the sphere's volume is within the tophalf of its radius.
mircea_popescu: in 3d, that proportion moves to ... 7/8.
mircea_popescu: and from there ownards.
mircea_popescu: the tophalf of a sphere always holds (2^n-1)/2^n of the volume.
assbot: You Suck: America's Worst Broadband Cities Include Most of Upstate New York, Much of Ohio • Stop the Cap!
bounce: not sure why this concentrates on "cities of at least 50k households"
mircea_popescu: lol i bet half of africa has better internet than half of ny state.
bounce: if you count facebook-only mobile "internet"
mircea_popescu: bounce you'd be surprised.
mircea_popescu: really, most of the "poor countries" are basically ohio minus us style cops. bout same facilities and amenties.
bounce: but it's all the more poignant for the excellent backbone infrastructure that really doesn't exist in africa
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to have shitty internet because you can't afford to lay cable.
mircea_popescu: it's another because... uh... whatever the whiteplains excuse is.
bounce: I have no idea what is or isn't available in ohio
asciilifeform: ... can't afford to lay cable.
asciilifeform: as for why not wireless - easy answer. cheap wireless would mean that folks with more money would not be 'sheared' adequately.
thestringpuller: !up m4rCsi
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :p
asciilifeform: same reason why cheap housing is verboten.
nubbins`: huly fu-u-u-u-u-ck it takes a long time to download the blockchain
z33andO_o: that's because it's not really p2p software, bitcoin-core picks 1 node and downloads all from it
z33andO_o: if you pick a slow one then it takes ages
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o that's a good point incidentally.
nubbins`: wat.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's another one for the endless list : fix the motherfucking p0p implementation so it actually is p2p
bounce: the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations
nubbins`: jesus
mircea_popescu: bounce and vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o who're you btw ?
z33andO_o: xiando
asciilifeform: if sewer systems were introduced for the first time in today's usa, they would be an exotic and unobtainable thing. because would be unfair!!!11!! to 'private enterprise' fleets of honeywagons carting shit away for a dollar a turd.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` satoshi's origina, likely defensible call was that "hack it this way so it works, fix later when more manpower"
mircea_popescu: obviously usgavin then failed to deliver on this, as on anything else. another broken promise.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoin is being introduced today for the first time, plays out exactly as described.
nubbins`: seriously tho, i'm downloading blocks over fiber at 60KB/s
mircea_popescu: internet before that.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` flush the node.
nubbins`: only thing i know how to flush is the toilet
mircea_popescu: block its ip in your firewall. most likely result bitcoind hickups for a minute and moves on.
mircea_popescu: obviously exact result can not be known, because the specification is gavin's mother's cunt.
mircea_popescu: i mean software.
nubbins`: a a a
nubbins`: yeah, see, bitcoind crashes ~1x daily on this vm
nubbins`: i'm assuming it grabs a diff node each time
nubbins`: they're all slow as shit
mircea_popescu: that's only 3-400x a year!
nubbins`: 60KB/s is probably the best upload speed i'll ever get from some random user
mircea_popescu: possibly canadian fiber runs on poutine ?
nubbins`: w/e it runs on, it works
mircea_popescu: did you rub sugar on it today ?
nubbins`: nope, crisco
bounce: can you force what node it'll fetch the blockchain from?
nubbins`: 5.7MB/s over wifi
mircea_popescu: lol crisco is for cisco ?
nubbins`: the r is silent
bounce: would be worth it to trace a couple yourself and pick a good one, then force-feed it
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, actually, by editing the fallback list and wiping its other methods of acquisition
nubbins`: ("kissco? the fu...")
mircea_popescu: there are other methods
nubbins`: not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k
nubbins`: but hey, to boldly go
mircea_popescu: (said fallback list being another thing that should go away, but iirc this was mentioned)
bounce: something to drop on a todo list in a wiki or something
nubbins`: provide text file w/ trusted nodes as argument or smth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and zapping the idiotic db corruption <<< there is more to this story, i doubt it's just "corruption". sadly i dun have the smoking gun.
bounce: or, well, start with dropping the things on the ml, it's there for this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: but if there was a candidate for "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin, this is it.
mircea_popescu: i r believ you nubbins` !
nubbins`: the proof is in the ping!
nubbins`: not sure what i'd get if i hooked up a wire
nubbins`: suppose it doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane :D
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nubbins`: fun /with/ dick and jane
nubbins`: side note: that's a silkscreened cover
mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking, why em the "with"
nubbins`: you'd see this occasionally in old letterpress shit, where the publisher ran outta type in the given font
nubbins`: but silkscreen? nfi
mircea_popescu: i think ima make a list of romanian cursing. the internet is appalling.
bounce: maybe the same reason why "modern" word-produced turds end up with more fonts than words
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 340.11, Best ask: 340.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 340.99, 24 hour volume: 15372.53022261, 24 hour low: 326.71, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 337.428263329
cazalla: http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2677538/the-woman-taking-on-coles-in-a-landmark-case/ But Ms Mesnage encountered a number of problems with the Coles website, including being unable to select a delivery time for her groceries and complex navigation that meant it could take up to eight hours to place an order.
assbot: The woman taking on Coles in a landmark case | Illawarra Mercury
cazalla: imagine having to build your website to accomodate such people or get your shit handed to you
mircea_popescu: in other news, "man can't find door, sues shop"
nubbins`: groan, eyeroll
asciilifeform: not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k << i actually have most of a patch for purely configurable block pumping. but shelved it and everything else for this reason.
bounce: and the block problem is a DB handling problem, wasn't it? making swapping DB thingies a bit of a priority.
mircea_popescu: bounce no apparently they ran into an earlier issue
mircea_popescu: !up piznit
asciilifeform: they ran into an earlier issue << likely involves db corruption. see earlier link, ~1hr ago
asciilifeform: "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin << can't rule this out, but this would play straight into my 'clever buggers after all' hypothesis.
cazalla: you got the scoop this time scoopbot
asciilifeform: jurov's site still has the 1blabla... contract!
asciilifeform: jurov: fix it before all the qntra readers laugh
kakobrekla: ha ha.
kakobrekla: too late.
kakobrekla just dutifully rains on parade
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: (from qntra) 'our project will likely discard the entire GUI in the near future' << already gone
punkman: was playing with vanitygen, found a 1tits address that also says "how hot" in private key
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: unless, naturally, we're waiting for the turdatron where we can all sign on the patches thus far (i'm all in favour)
ben_vulpes: there's that for sure
ben_vulpes: there's also a discussion to have about how to distribute
ben_vulpes: when merge, how number, method of dist etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: distribute what?
ben_vulpes: merged set of patches
ben_vulpes: or nothing, you know
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the moment i'm leaning against the idea of distributing binaries of whatever kind being a good one
ben_vulpes: mhm yeah i dig
ben_vulpes: but how about source?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: anyone who is genuinely serious about using bitcoin should be able to build it. it isn't rocket surgery.
ben_vulpes: sure absolutely.
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about distributing a sourceball with patches merged.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as for source/patches, any turdbrigade member can put up unofficial mirror.
ben_vulpes: could deem this unnecessary, but...
ben_vulpes: as you did, i note!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the very minimum, one ought to live on jurov's site. (at present, i don't see it there.)
BingoBoingo: <bounce> the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations << No, it happens. You just need a town that can get away with it. Muni internet exists here and had no serious opposition.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur. << Small, affluent compared to the surrounding error.
PeterL: was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight << Aha!
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list? << Prolly not, he stops by here very rarely.
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
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mircea_popescu: !up satdav
satdav: Thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
satdav: $register
satdav: I am a member of Firefox support team
mircea_popescu: is it hard work ?
satdav: mircea_popescu: how do I register on gribble
mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps in bitcoin-assets
gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>
satdav: Yes very hard at times
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
satdav: mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this
BingoBoingo: <satdav> mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this << If you must use GPG on windows at least compile it yourself. The extant gpg4win binaries have a dubious reputation
jurov: ben_vulpes" i told you several times: s'il vous plait, do register with the mailman. it will *not* register you automatically1
jurov: i am registered and did get your email fine
nubbins` idly considers opening a sports shop named "s'il vous play"
nubbins`: See vous play. Play, vous, play.
nubbins`: fun with Dick and Vous
mircea_popescu: Mousse de Vous.
ben_vulpes: i coulda sworn that i'd done that.
mod6: ;;ticker
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jurov: maybe you did not finish
jurov: in the second email there is a link,
jurov: on that link there is a button
jurov: or two
jurov: and only after clicking it you're in
jurov: you wanted rigor, gotta have rigor
mod6: thanks for getting the address setup for the foundation jurov & for signing on to be the treasurer for the Foundation
ben_vulpes checks spam
jurov: oh and please kindly send me or to deedbot your signed contracts
ben_vulpes: rgr will do
mircea_popescu: to deedbot
satdav: You guys should register as a freenode group also
mircea_popescu: satdav freenode is dead, basically.
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to get them servers for a coupla years now.
mod6: jurov: do you mean my signed charter? http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1MXeLHi5
assbot: Bundle 1MXeLHi5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
satdav: Lol mircea_popescu its hard for servers for irc ddos
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?
ben_vulpes: mod6: treasurer contract?
jurov: no, the treasurer's contract so that there are no ugly 404s from the bottom links
jurov: but wait, i'll update id with deed info
jurov: *it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 you're supposed to sign his thing too
mod6: yeah ok.
dub: wat
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's just, "jurov has self-appointed himself"
mod6: *nod*
jurov: lol
mod6: Has the document been updated with the address et. al?
ben_vulpes: mitm!
jurov: mmnt
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in a decade or two once gpg ios the only basis of commerce, identity and general life, that's going to be the #1 scam : here's this document. it's signed. just by me.
mod6: mp: werd.
mod6: we'll get it done asap
assbot: Deed 9ULZPc7y | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
jurov: ooh I now get what was the REFERENCES for ... not for itself, but for the charter
jurov: if nobody else does, will fix it tmrw
jurov: laterz!
mod6: ah, yeah.
mod6: is there a way for someone to revoke their signed deed?
mod6: we need the three of us to sign that contract with the REFERENCES section in there
mod6: anyone whom already submitted might need to re-submit, not sure if there is a way to pull previously submitted deeds.
mircea_popescu: and something tells me this is going to be a bitch going forward.
mod6: yeah.
mod6: hrm
mod6: ok so this http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html is the contract with jurov's submission
mod6: (to deedbot)
mod6: and if both ben_vulpes and I sign that exact document with our keys, there is a tie back to the deed submitted by jurov
punkman: handy when you are searching http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/from/jurov (can also add /rss there)
assbot: #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: rss'd be good.
mod6: the problem is here, that "[R.1] doesn't tie back to the specific Charter document
assbot: deeds signed by mircea_popescu
mod6: just jurov's submission to the deedbot
mircea_popescu: punkman can there be 1st line of deed too ?
mod6: so there should be a R.1 secion to the submission to deedbot for the charter, and an R2 that ties back to his submission of the Treasurer's contract to the deedbot
punkman: mircea_popescu: might as well put the whole thing there (gotta fetch from db and decompress)
mircea_popescu: punkman actually. yeah, whole thing no signature
mircea_popescu: google will haet you otherwise.
punkman: why no signature?
mircea_popescu: to keep it lighter. i suppose you could actually put the whole thing sure.
mod6: and as far as "[R.1]" it should probably encompass both of our signed submissions of the charter to deedbot
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mod6: (since we didn't submit them on the same bundle)
mod6: any errors in this thinking?
punkman: should I look into creating a utility that does the multisig hack?
punkman: or whatever can help such workflow
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly, i wouldn't worry about it. it's there, it's signed.
mircea_popescu: anyone has doubts about the matter has also the means to verify it.
mircea_popescu: what problem remains ?
mod6: ok. just was hoping for distinct links.
mircea_popescu: the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time"
mircea_popescu: mod6 but you each have a link no ?
mircea_popescu: im not getting something here.
mod6: just was hoping for a daisy-chained document sigs in the public record
mircea_popescu: so you mean you want jurov's thing to reference the charter you two signed ?
mircea_popescu: this is trivially accomplished, just include the two links.
mod6: m6 & bv --sigs-> A & B signed charter ; treasurers sub-doc contains links to A & B to be signed by j & mod6 & bc
mod6: s/bc/bv
asciilifeform: the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time" << this is how i ended up with 4 screens (and counting...)
mircea_popescu: im still using one. old school.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever found a new 'trinitron' ?
mircea_popescu: to be fair tho, i have a coupla other machines, so i suppose that counts as multiple anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not rly looking tbh.
asciilifeform: surrendered to modernity?
mircea_popescu: i've hammered this lcd thing into low emission tolerability, and well... kinda too lazy i guess.
asciilifeform: 'eizo' makes tolerable lcd.
asciilifeform: (tolerable - as in, still viewable when vertical, for instance.)
mircea_popescu: i don't overturn them anyway.
asciilifeform: on account of my peculiar profession, i am rather addicted to overturned screens.
asciilifeform: foundation, l2 trust of assbot << i'd suggest switching from the #b-a voices for the turdatron to l1 of jurov (or ben_vulpes?) - i.e., do we want the camgurlz submitting patches?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd reject a patch because it was submitted by a whore ?
mircea_popescu: so then ?
asciilifeform: but folks should at least have to ask to play
asciilifeform: not that it matters much, 'if used as prescribed'
asciilifeform awaits the patch whores
mircea_popescu: i wish to see the camho that figures out how to submit fuck you to this thing.
asciilifeform: we had quite a number here who figured out gpg, no?
mircea_popescu: but generally : trust-but-verify is the best model available.
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asciilifeform: 'доверяй но проверяй'
asciilifeform: ^ rhymed in the original.
asciilifeform: (trust but verify)
mircea_popescu: the original is afaik greek
asciilifeform: let's have it?
mircea_popescu: maybe it rhymes in russian because russian was so made so that good original sentences rhyme ?
ben_vulpes: i just got an email with an attachment
ben_vulpes: LEL NDA
ben_vulpes: where is the eyerolling emoji again?
asciilifeform: humlangs without declensions are a royal bitch to rhyme.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had it from patristics, and assumed it's greek. seems it's actually bona fide russian folklore.
mircea_popescu: lol condom
punkman: that's a greek comic
punkman: "trust but verify" doesn't translate very well though
mircea_popescu: so apparently ask.fm is where all the cool kids are nao.
asciilifeform peeked, not impressed. must not understand how the world works (tm).
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mircea_popescu: "Which town did you grow up in? What's been the best commercial you've seen? What’s the best gift you have ever given someone, in your opinion? What position do you sleep in? Are you a very ambitious person? What is the worst gift you have ever received?" << of all the inept shit...
asciilifeform: these folks >> straight to butugychag.
asciilifeform: there's a pick and a cart with each of their names on'em.
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assbot: fuckyes
mircea_popescu makes account, and for a minute contemplates stream of meaningless faces, and their literal outbursts. la nausee strikes.
asciilifeform: wallowing with the eagles, eh.
mircea_popescu is at that precise moment enlightened : rather than interact with random people, he'd count sand.
asciilifeform prefers soaring with the pigs any day of the week
ben_vulpes: i've been working out of a client's office on the 27th floor of this skyscraper downtown all week, and every time i walk outside i'm struck with gut-level desires to insulate myself from the people derping around outside the building.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "other people" exist is perhaps the most striking shared delusion humanity ever came up with. seriously, they do ? how ?
asciilifeform: hard to smell the pheromone trails when not an ant, yes.
mircea_popescu: guess so.
cazalla: so i butchered 6 rabbits this morning and a crow swooped and took a bunny head, imagine the poor kid that finds that in his backyard lol
asciilifeform: there was a soviet-era kids' book about a lil'bugger who gets turned into an ant as punishment for his idiocy
asciilifeform: and 'has problems' in the ant colony
asciilifeform: wish i still had my copy.
mircea_popescu: you know the ancient story of the "magical" ass yes ?
asciilifeform: golden?
asciilifeform: apuleus ?
asciilifeform: which, then
mircea_popescu: worker falls asleep on the roadside, with loaded ass next to him. coupla bums decide to steal the goods
mircea_popescu: one of them comes up with a bright idea : takes bit off ass, puts over own head, while his fellow takes the ass and its load away.
mircea_popescu: worker awakens, finds a man instead of the ass. man explains that lo! he was cursed by his jealous lover woman, and his time as an ass just came to an end!
mircea_popescu: awestruck worker bids him enjoy his freedom and leaves.
mircea_popescu: coupla weeks later, worker runs into his ass at a fair. shimmies next to it and whispers
mircea_popescu: "who did you fuck now!"
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mircea_popescu: Most people stumble through life afraid to speak any of the words that they only know from their reading, fearful that they will make fools of themselves by mispronouncing them in public. <<< this was a fact in jerome k jerome's england, back when people knew your class based on your rp.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile your average usian has no problem speako spanisho, and wonders why the spanish speakero no understando.
asciilifeform: orlov appears to subscribe to the hypothesis that english is a semi-deliberate qwerty for 'branded on the toungue' purposes.
mircea_popescu: o holy shit don't tell me he's of the "spoken as written" school of pararetardism
mircea_popescu: no, no... he is!
mircea_popescu: Take the word that sounds like “tu.” It is spelled in three different ways: “to,” “too,” and “two.” << if only these actually sounded even vaguely alike.
mircea_popescu: that he's an ignorant ass i know. but why is he such a twerp to not even bother do his motherfucking reading, quote the actual canonical examples on this topic ?
asciilifeform: these sound quite alike in usa.
asciilifeform: or perhaps just my tin ear.
ben_vulpes: nope.
ben_vulpes: or maybe i'm infected with context.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's possible you don't hear them. some people don't distinguish some colors, red/green, yellow/blue, whatever. it does not follow paintings are bad or w/e.
asciilifeform confesses he was taught 'uk' style as a boy and had to slowly unlearn it, to much lulz
asciilifeform: ask a teacher of english in ru, and you'll get 'english is what they speak in england! here's how...'
mircea_popescu: the way this works is actually very similar to genetics. there's someting like 100ish vowels available to the human voice. these are all spaced equally apart, say 1 unit each.
mircea_popescu: no fucking language uses all 10 a's or all 10 o's.
asciilifeform did the obligatory tour of duty as linguistics 'minor' at uni
mircea_popescu: if a language happens to use the 3rd and 9th a, then the speaker expects that 6 unit barrier.
mircea_popescu: when confronted with language using 5th 6th and 7th, he believes them to be "the same". this is not actually the case.
asciilifeform: one you factor out the regionalisms, you get approximately orlov's phonemes, though.
mircea_popescu: there is a very slight difference between the length of the vowel in to and too, which length allows the latter to round closer to a plain u
mircea_popescu: whereas two has a faint j in there.
mircea_popescu: consider that the u in food is properly uː whereas the u in good is properly ʊ. these are in fact quite distinct, for most people , with some training.
mircea_popescu: juː is best heard in cue, or mule
asciilifeform: if this recipe is followed, you end up a brit.
mircea_popescu: and if it's not, you end up an urk.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, ebonics speaker.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no argument that english is, under the pressure of its colonialism, dieing a chinese death. so the argument is widely moot.,
asciilifeform: they have their own most curious vowel 'dip switch' settings.
asciilifeform: aha, it's the ultimate poorly-specced mandarin.
mircea_popescu: mandarin was never specced, because, well... the speech is the spec.
mircea_popescu: The “g” in “beige” is the same consonant sound as the “s” in “Asia” and “z” in “azure.” << god help us.
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
asciilifeform: in mr o's docs, he specifically highlights 'unspell' being designed for folks who aren't u.s. subjects, but rather random people from the outer landscapes of the empire who 'know english' as written hieroglyph, but can't actually speak to one another except in a highly-castrated pidgin when they chance to meet
mircea_popescu: And the kids are supposed to be able to make sense of this? At what point are children allowed to learn a set of symbols that unambiguously represent the speech sounds of English? << <this idea that if kids had it easier the world would be better is not unlike the idea that if the government spent more money the economy would work well.
mircea_popescu: holy fuckingshit, fifty years of making it progressively easier for kids were enough to squander 500 years worth of accumulated advantages, to the point even the fucking indians can now compete with american kids.
mircea_popescu: are you kidding me ?!
asciilifeform: there's also a school of thought where 'notation is worth 80 iq points' and roman numerals are deservingly gone from mathematics
mircea_popescu: kids need to be positively tortured.
asciilifeform: tortured? sure. mutilated?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you seen mathematical notation recently ?
mircea_popescu: it has about as many symbols as medicine has words.
mircea_popescu: note that he's not proposing to get rid of the training weights to replace them with actual anythings.
asciilifeform: but, at least if speaking of mathematics-proper rather than 'perl', they come with usefully non-contextual definitions.
mircea_popescu: give me an example.
mircea_popescu: any mathematical symbol is defined within its context and there only.
mircea_popescu: as per godel.
asciilifeform: within context - aye
mircea_popescu: anyway, eating brb.
asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat. << And you're the one worried about everyone else's starvation!
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asciilifeform: asic may be costly, but kerosene is cheap.
kakobrekla: which machines are those
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you suspect arson?
asciilifeform: cui bono.
asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't sniff the embers
asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with
ben_vulpes: or fire extinguishers?
BingoBoingo: This is a point. Seriously why would people have a fat wall of mining hardware and no halon?
ben_vulpes: i suppose mining really is so low margin these days that even the antifire stuff ruins profitability.
asciilifeform: as one commenter pointed out, building was not sealable and therefore unsuitable for halon
asciilifeform: but i wasn't talking about on-demand flooding
kakobrekla: cowboy miner
kakobrekla: good it wasnt a slut?
ben_vulpes: jesus.
ben_vulpes looks forward to slutminer
asciilifeform: on-demand flooding is also a varied beast. canonical example: 'hermitage' art museaum in leningrad. fitted with co2 tanks in the '50s. bell rings, you have two minutes to get out. after that, doors seal and 100% co2 atmosphere.
ben_vulpes: ;;google slutminer
gribble: No matches found.
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asciilifeform: ^ lol! those are lovely.
BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits
asciilifeform: afaik these never usefully fill.
asciilifeform: not with He (decay daughter) either.
asciilifeform: (whither helium? unfortunately, mostly mixed in with combustible 'natural gas.' and mostly in usa.)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in emails do you prefer Stan or Stanislav?
asciilifeform: doesn't matter
asciilifeform: so long as to correct key
ben_vulpes: ah, but for mailing list references.
asciilifeform: generally - 2
asciilifeform tried to subscribe, failed
ben_vulpes: check your 'spam' folder - jurov's not done anything with dkim
asciilifeform: negative.
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: jurov!
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> jurov! << Sleeping
assbot: 0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki]
ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work?
kakobrekla: btw you can do subcategories there as well
kakobrekla: maybe you want like foundation/client
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: or chicken/... :p
decimation: dkim is kind of a chumpatron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to sum it : there already exists a phonetic notation, and has, for a century. it has the advantage that it works in all languages, and it is also fine enough for absolutely any conceivable use, with its extensions.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, there are numerous attempts by various poetterings to create a "better language" because maybe that way their mother will not have been a crackwhore anymore.
mircea_popescu: the most notable example is that polari gypsy lingo thing, which is notable for how shitty it is.
mircea_popescu: so... whatevs.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the IPA thing?
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/N7K36Kw.jpg << fucking funny that burned rigs are STILL teh problem.
cazalla: anyone want to buy some lucky rabbit feet or maybe even heads? http://i.imgur.com/gfYKXLP.jpg nsfw
BingoBoingo: Ah, Yeah, it's a pain. Latin alphabet works one way, Anglophones have retarded vowel shift, the irrelevance of Chinese supposes azns should look to Castellano as a lingua franca for dealing with white people.
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with << margins.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ? << If by like perl you mean the runtime doesn't suck, then maybe?
mircea_popescu: as ben_vulpes points out.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo strictly discussing notation.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: here is before : http://i.imgur.com/mYr74jf.jpg <<< absolute "cheapest of the cheap" scream to it huh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits <<< if you're going to fill with gas, fill with technological gas.
mircea_popescu: whatever your compressors can eat.
decimation: supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language
BingoBoingo: Well, I mean the mines flood themselves with it
mircea_popescu: decimation the ones that don't speak italian anyway.
decimation: yeah or german
mircea_popescu: that's a myth.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language << Actually this is indeed a thing.
BingoBoingo: If they are from Usia
BingoBoingo has seen on several occasion musical scores in not Amerglish which had the target language only in IPA
decimation: http://archive.csustan.edu/Music/handbook/Vocal_Major_Requirmnts.html "Knowledge of International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) for English and Italian Sight reading"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work? << they work best when large audience, small rewards.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how do i edit thios wiki ?
mircea_popescu: decimation the thing with ipa is that it roughly works like a modular pluggable thing.
kakobrekla: How do I add stuff?
kakobrekla: For editing rights, please ping kakobrekla on IRC. You also need a rated WOT account.
kakobrekla: do you have a rated wot account?
kakobrekla: good!
mircea_popescu: what nao
mircea_popescu: how does one use a wiki ? specifically, i wish to add an answer to "what is the desired behavior here?"
asciilifeform: ipa suffers deadspace problem
decimation: deadspace problem?
asciilifeform: that is, wtf to do with a keyboard where most of the keys - you will never push.
decimation: well, chinese solves this with a little gui tool
asciilifeform: also folks hate latin with squiggles.
asciilifeform: i sure as fuck do.
asciilifeform: in fact, my main objection to orlov's gizmo is that it isn't huffman optimal.
asciilifeform: quite like ipa.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so in your opinion bounties for biggies like "wedged 0.5.3" aren't going to produce much?
asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: bounties << let's ask more concretely. how much of a bounty would move you, personally, to unwedge 0.5.3 ?
decimation: wrt english pidgin < This already happens, ever been to hawaii?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let's consider the general point. a) elvis at the hight of his popularity offers a beer to anyone that runs a mile in five minutes ; b) totally unknown autistic otaku offers a million internet funbutts to anyone that runs a mile.
mircea_popescu: which is the more likely to result in run miles ?
asciilifeform: proverbial example of 'big hand, small bounty' - don knuth and his typo cheques.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa << IPA is the java of the linguistics world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point is merely that if a space already has a bad solution, implementing a bad solution by nobody is stupid.
mircea_popescu: it will be worse.
asciilifeform: a -good- solution by nobody - might have chance.
asciilifeform: but 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and disease-ridden', yes.
mircea_popescu: i read enough to know the person is not only never going to produce a good solution, but is actually ignorant enough to not even realise what the difference may be, and on top of that impudent enough to imagine this not to be so.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: bounties << my unwedging << first i'd have to invent the universe
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the universe << nah, just rip out bdb
mircea_popescu: impudent, incidentally, is an interesting word. it comes, of course, from pudenda, and it connotes shamelessness, immodesty.
mircea_popescu: but literally : cuntless.
mircea_popescu: somehow contemporary retardation has retained ball-less-ness
mircea_popescu: but cunt-less-ness is lost, and then people wonder why women feel unequal.
decimation: it seems to me that sqllite might make a reasonable stand-in for bdb
asciilifeform: decimation: same liquishit, different bottle
mircea_popescu: iirc this was considered and rejected for good reasons in array.
decimation: at least they claim to test the code
mircea_popescu: and i claim the crown of mexico.
asciilifeform: i'd do it but presently i've all eight of my shiva-hands full
mircea_popescu: do it with your cock!
asciilifeform: could, in principle, be persuaded to accidentally drop something
asciilifeform: but not cheaply.
mircea_popescu: no, not cheaply.
mircea_popescu: repeatedly.
asciilifeform: and i certainly hope i'm not the only one with hands.
asciilifeform: because if so, we're in a dire spot.
asciilifeform: where have all those literate folks scurried off to? the motherland calls!
decimation: lol is that a recruiting poster?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not averse to it at all but i can't even tell what's bdb and what's other things.
ben_vulpes: right now, at least.
asciilifeform: flies-from-cutlets separation, yes.
ben_vulpes: i mean i don't even understand how CRITICAL_BLOCKs are implemented yet
mircea_popescu: it' s a journey of discovery
mircea_popescu: from milan to minsk
asciilifeform: http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg << more relevant to the janitorial essence of the task.
asciilifeform: loosely translated, 'red army's fine broom, sweeps the filth clean from the room'
asciilifeform: and yes BingoBoingo that's a mosin.
BingoBoingo: Looks the part
decimation: asciilifeform: I didn't realize that the soviet army was a 'volunteer' organization
asciilifeform: voluntary-compulsory.
asciilifeform: (yes, that's a phrase.)
asciilifeform: 'it takes a brave fellow not to be a hero in the soviet army.'
BingoBoingo: "Voluntold" --Usian term
BingoBoingo: US election baramoeter highlights: http://thesouthern.com/ap/politics/quinn-concedes-illinois-governorship-to-rauner/article_e4fc81ba-82e3-5ddb-a6e4-d6a25018e068.html Also this guy won a distric that was blue for 70+ years www.suntimes.com/news/marin/12915506-452/viral-rant-makes-instant-folk-hero.html
assbot: Quinn concedes Illinois governorship to Rauner : Politics
decimation: so it was kinda like you could volunteer or be told that you were volunteering?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the final phase of dissolution is when the best predictor for electoral failure is being the incumbent.
mircea_popescu: it simply means the "voters" scum expect on average more out of the forcing of the public treasury than on the maximum the public treasury may contain
asciilifeform: public printery.
BingoBoingo: In Illinois, Pat Quinn's greatest failing was being an "honest Democrat"
BingoBoingo: To trim the budget he cut the wrong bezzels. Also broke the rule in Illinois that Governor must be Unrepentant criminal, he was repentant
decimation: I predict that now the republicans have won they will quickly give away the farm on immigration, taxes, more welfare, etc
decimation: I predict that the number of H1b visas will at least triple
BingoBoingo: Well, that's how one keeps elected office generally
mircea_popescu: decimation visas are not actually bad.
thestringpuller: some companies hire H1B applicants over citizens/residents.
thestringpuller: ^- decimation
mircea_popescu: that's also not bad.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how so?
mircea_popescu: well, obviously depends what your goals are, but if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality is among them then an open system will alway sbeat any closed one.
mircea_popescu: in short, you're better off living in a country of immigrants than in a coutnry of citizens.
asciilifeform: for particular values of 'you'.
mircea_popescu: particular how ?
asciilifeform: straight to greenspun.
assbot: Women in Science
asciilifeform: ^ that one
asciilifeform: 'Does this make sense as a career for anyone? Absolutely! Just get out your atlas.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
mircea_popescu: insanity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not following ?
asciilifeform has the misfortune of working with quite a few 'h1b' folks.
asciilifeform: typical speciment: chinese fellow, cribbed dissertation, 100% cribbed/shannonized papers, total and unambiguous waste of oxygen
asciilifeform: 'how did you get the sheepskin?' - 'washed glassware for advisor, same as the others.'
asciilifeform: he gets his 25k/usd/annum, sends most of it home
mircea_popescu: i think you miss my meaning. " if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality"
asciilifeform: lab - 90% these folks, by weight.
asciilifeform: and it shows.
mircea_popescu: i don't happen to care that usians believe sucking cock is not something to be good at
decimation: the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials
mircea_popescu: the demand exist.
asciilifeform: now, the 'protectionist case' is not made here, because 'where there is a great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'
asciilifeform: but it's still a laugh.
mircea_popescu: decimation not so. the chinese guy in his example was well skilled
mircea_popescu: just, at a skill the puritanical state refuses to name. "slavery" say.
decimation: they refuse to say it, but tacitly allow it
BingoBoingo: <decimation> the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials << Difference is Usians with phony credentials tend to get along better at work parties
asciilifeform: slavishly carrying out the rituals of 'scientocracy' - yes.
mircea_popescu: well, it's a skill.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a slave is a slave. the responsibility for his actions is his master's.
asciilifeform: if they were slaving in uranium mine - another matter altogether.
mircea_popescu: let me show you one btw
assbot: Cel mai oltean dintre chinezi - YouTube
mircea_popescu: chinese guy in rural romania. herds goats.
mircea_popescu: was an obgyn in china. had a wife, math teacher.
asciilifeform: or the gurlz in that restaurant in timis, yes
mircea_popescu: the locals are haetful. because he outworks them.
mircea_popescu: imagine this. romanian rural population, making ~2-3k a year, thinks themselves better.
asciilifeform: strikebreaker, yes
mircea_popescu: i suspect guangfalong w/e
asciilifeform: falun gong?
asciilifeform: we have a pestilence of these in wash., d.c.
asciilifeform: they like to set up little stands with 'atrocity porn'
decimation: they hold gym class on the mall as I recall
asciilifeform: revolting little buggers
mircea_popescu: anyway. i wish you all a happy nov 6th and laters!
gernika: I like the h1b worker as slave idea. Everything makes so much more sense now.
assbot: China: U.S. Congress Renames Chinese Embassy Road for Jailed Dissident
decimation: gernika: it's pretty much reality
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the locals are haetful. because he outworks them. << Generally the way this work in US is eventually Indian family produces doctor in US, they use their surplus to bringing in hardworking family members willing to put all effort into running fuelstation/convenience stores, shopkeep cousins succeed, finance next generation of doctors, pale natives bitch that people were willing to work at shopkeeping
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/you-know-what-you-should-do/
gernika: Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves
BingoBoingo: <gernika> Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves << You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline
decimation: BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/. << For a generation at least, but there's always more people with a work ethic who can sustain the system.
gernika: What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom.
gernika: That's what I didn't get
BingoBoingo: And I'm not talking about the Urban tradition of Arab shops, I'm talking about motherfucking Circle K, king of the Midwestern convenience market
BingoBoingo: gernika> What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom. << Goal oriented activity
gernika: Yes. Everything and anything for the goal.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the real thing that enables this are "family relocation" visas
gernika: The goal doesn't have to be meaningful. It just has to be achieved.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only on paper, the real power is there are always poor kids in India with dreams and a work ethic
assbot: From Germany to Mexico: How America’s source of immigrants has changed over a century | Pew Research Center
BingoBoingo: <assbot> From Germany to Mexico: How America’s source of immigrants has changed over a century | Pew Research Center << I'm not refering to the most desperate, I'm talking about empire building follow from history http://www.circlek.com/history-and-timeline?language=en to the current reality
assbot: History and Timeline | Circle K: Convenience store chain providing quick stop services including fuel, food, snacks, drinks, cigarettes, beer and our world-famous Polar Pop
BingoBoingo: Dig into actual records, google will be of little help
gernika: BingoBoingo You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline << even doctors and lawyers are slaves in the US now, due to student loan debt.
BingoBoingo: ^ Depends on specialty. My brother who cam from the same poor ass lineage i did is now in Dentistry with his SJW wife and adorable dog
decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us
decimation: I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law
BingoBoingo: That is why stan doesn't atm have a ranch and to bitches trained in rifle-fu
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law << Of course, even with the obamacare bezzel established families in medicine have a strong advantage
BingoBoingo: The difference between Internal medicine and dermatology is about 300k/year
cazalla: the indians come to australia on a 457 visa to work at places like mcdonalds
BingoBoingo: Networking, priveledge, reciptority, these are old mechanics. There were Roman Charioteers who earned more from sport than A-Rod could imagine
decimation: I thought australia had very strict immigration rules
cazalla: and i was not much a fan of them until i lived with one indian guy and he made the best hainanese chicken so all is forgiven
cazalla: decimation, yeah, if you try to come by boat but come by plane and it's easy
decimation: I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country << Twas inevitable. Blame the WASPs
cazalla: australians really hate boat people which is amusing given so many of us actually came by boat, my parents included, 50-60 years back, it's like they don't want to be reminded
decimation: what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude)
decimation: cazalla: were they POMs?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude) << Because the previous generation used their surplus income to establish petit dynasties
cazalla: decimation, nah germans, red cross helped my fathers family get out here
decimation: I've heard that there is quite a large number of germans in australia
cazalla: well, his family being his parents at the time and not me obviously
decimation: cazalla: were they fleeing the post-wwii misery of germany?
cazalla: decimation, east germany
cazalla: i dunno full story tbh, opa was in the wehrmacht and we have photos of him as an officer but my father reckons he wasn't an officer despite the photos and shit
decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii
gernika: decimation any good sources to read about it? Seen some german movies about the immediate post ware period.
assbot: Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:50:50; asciilifeform: there were fully-functional german hamlets in, even, kazakhstan
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:55:38; asciilifeform: what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime.
gernika: thanks
gernika: interesting - the movie I saw was more about what the russians did to germany after the war. Wrt anglos are we talking firebombing?
gernika: I would not be surprised at the gap in my knowledge given my public education.
BingoBoingo: Anglos Firebommed and scared defectors with the "Russian threat", Russians at the time offered "Stalin"
decimation: gernika: I guess I was more referring to the intentional policies of starvation and mass population displacement
decimation: after the war was over, but yeah firebombing counts too. Of course the source for that is "slaughterhouse five"
decimation: but also after the first world war, when the same population was starved and forced into debt slavery
BingoBoingo: !up supay
supay: thanks BingoBoingo!
supay: i was wondering if the bitcoin price will really rise again..
supay: and what the reasons might be for the drop
supay: doing a small presentation about bitcoins for my 'technical seminar' at school! :)
BingoBoingo: <supay> and what the reasons might be for the drop << Buterin's waterfall
supay googles
BingoBoingo: !s waterfall
supay: ah, thanks
supay: okay, that seems understandable.
supay: what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'm working on a summary, if you can beat e to it submit it for publiccation
BingoBoingo: <supay> what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year? << This year questionable, Next year possible, but work on your knife fighting skills
supay: haha, im only here to get your opinions and possible explanations for the same.. i dont have the know how to write a paper etc
supay: oh, okay.. thats seems sad considering a lot of people were expecting it to jump up all of a sudden..
BingoBoingo: supay: Qntra takes a lot of things.
supay: the logs you linked me to have a mention of how the FBI seize of the SikRoad BTC might be a cause.. i've heard a lot of people saying the same, would that be nearly true?
BingoBoingo: In Bitcoin you have to realize the thing shortly went from soft adversaries (Trendon Shavers) to hard adversaries (Obola and Ebama) very quickly
supay: lol :)
BingoBoingo: supay: Probably is in part, but not entirely
supay: Obolo and Ebama, rofl
BingoBoingo: The horsemen of each other
supay: hmm
BingoBoingo: Seriously BTC is a hard business this year. Jurov is surviving, barely, on 10 customers
supay: i see.. thats sad
supay: there was another mention of a reason for the price drop - a lot of companies now accepting bitcoins. but how does that work?
BingoBoingo: supay: Well it works the same.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 337.42, Best ask: 337.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 337.9, 24 hour volume: 13734.04653623, 24 hour low: 328.8, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 339.147808319
BingoBoingo: People with Bitcoin pay Overstock.com for schlock and Overstock sells the BTC automagically, feeding Buterin's waterfall
supay: interesting.. will have to go through that as well
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