BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> catch is, you have to... burn the world. << How many people here are seriously opposed to this condition
BingoBoingo: Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns
BingoBoingo: Ordinary only in pathophysiology, not in affect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00073016 = 14.5302 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: The problem is encountering the actual mythical good is always a dissapointment.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed << rly ?!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns << the hittites never had iron. you're thinking the franks.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the Assyrians? Some sort of Turk turnt out the Jew bronze with their Iron.
decimation: re: design space << so part of the problem with "C" is that it tends to occupy this mental design space rapidly
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "the iron! my god, the iron!" spoken in italia by the degenerate successors of the latins.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what about 'damascus steel'? << 4 digit number of years innovation
assbot: Damascus steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: yeah I think it was more "steel" than steel
mircea_popescu: swords are like computers - they only work for some grades of si
mircea_popescu: anyway, tardpedia's fascination with the east and white-hating notwithstanding, steel is a western invention.
decimation: yeah I saw some documentary about japanese sword-making - that steel is closer to steel, but nowhere near modern quality
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road << Wootz yes, low hanging fruit. When I read Damascus though I think laminate forging process
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairnes, the gypsies did show real talent in working with zamak,
mircea_popescu: so much so they got dragged all over to europe by various turkic people.
decimation: the turks conquered Byzantium and then headed east?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, but also the product normally refered to now as "Damascus" steel
mircea_popescu: decimation the golden crescent is this pulsing heart of human civilisaiton.
mircea_popescu: the most recent pulse went in all directions, just about to india.
mircea_popescu: was some sort of columbus of metallurgy. little is known.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it : the original siege cannon was carried by two dozen oxen, fired twice a day, had to be cooled with hlf a ton of oil and exploded every two weeks killing everyone around
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in romanian it's how you say "base metal" generally.
assbot: Video: Secrets of the Samurai Sword | Watch NOVA Online | PBS Video
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (Al being a creature of modernity.) << Elemental Al was accessible to ancients... at lightining strike sites
BingoBoingo: but the later easier to refine and heavier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the mediteranean people volcanoes prolly more than meteorites.
BingoBoingo: A light shiny metal, Napoleon commisioned Aluminum flatware.
BingoBoingo: obsidian conparatively common though. Aluminum might as well have been mythiril though
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives << DO you have a budget in mind?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the ancients would've laughed at Al. BUt in the 18th and 19th centuries only nobels had aluminium helmets
BingoBoingo: Still, how many obsiadian terroist knives, at what dimension, and in what quantity?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, they didn't come up with duralumin
decimation: I believe that aluminum is part of the british crown jewels too
mircea_popescu: "it is not rare to see a palpable (and all the more so for its unpredictability) delay between pressing a key and the drawing of a symbol on the screen." << i have never seen this.
decimation: re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping
mircea_popescu: part of the reason perhaps being that if i had, i'd start bludgeoning the machine into the ground.
assbot: Obsidian Scalpels - Micro Knives - Scalpels & Blades - Product Overview - Fine Science Tools
decimation: I distinctly remember seeing word on windows and thinking it was a huge step back from wordperfect on dos
BingoBoingo: decimation> re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping << Flint =/= obsidian
BingoBoingo: Also premier material for shaping flint, antler
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today. << /me may use for heat...
decimation: yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade
mircea_popescu: "Recently, I devoted several sleepless nights to this problem. Why is it that our computers are getting faster and faster yet we are using them more and more to render things generated on some distant server? And its still slow!" <<< average bovine is comforted by the second delay.
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BingoBoingo: <decimation> yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade << In an MRI tube what else can you use? Interventional radiology is lucrative
assbot: Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth - Joel on Software
mircea_popescu: decimation that would have been the fucking moment of truth for the cataphract : when someone turned on a giant magnet
mircea_popescu: sort-of equivalent to the moment when archimedes turned on the mirrors.
mircea_popescu: In fact there are lots of great reasons for bloatware. For one, if programmers don't have to worry about how large their code is, they can ship it sooner. And that means you get more features, and features make your life better (when you use them) and don't usually hurt (when you don't).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen : if coders didn't have to worry about whether THEIR PROGRAM EVEN HALTS
mircea_popescu: as joel well points out, we got a mental problem. no comprende como sheeping works.
decimation: it allows everyone to pass the buck up to the assignat printing press
mircea_popescu: "and the loss to the software company that has to give up two months of sales is even worse." << dat logic. so if i have sex for the first time today, rather than next week, i gain a full week of first time sexings.
decimation: writing nearly perfect code is possible, but anyone who tries loses in the market by those who 'get there first' writing crap
decimation: right, the point to realize is that the market is broken
decimation: I remember the original netscape - it was a pile of shit
mircea_popescu: in fact, the history of the internet and the browser narrowly mimicks the history of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: decimation just think, what they were. remember... lycos ?
decimation: the only reason google 'took off' was the fact that their competitors sucked
mircea_popescu: someone actually thought that "yahoo" is a sane string to associate to your busines.
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking derrogatory, it's almost like calling bitcoin's media company "cunt, raw"
decimation: as I recall the netscape was pretty much just a ripoff of mosaic
decimation: asciilifeform: it is sad that the pauper's computers 'won' in the long run
assbot: How Many Lies Can You Find In One Direct Mail Piece? - Joel on Software
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms. << What, some people actually operate this way...
mircea_popescu: It says that it's from Sky Dayton (founder of Earthlink) although it is actually from Earthlink's direct marketing department. I can just see the thought going through the copy writer's head. "People won't open it unless it's from someone they know, and everyone knows Sky Dayton!"
mircea_popescu: anyone still know virgin atlantic branson dayton w/e his name was ?
decimation: asciilifeform: it's certain that there was some government meeting where the cl-http server was regarded as 'obsolete' because it wasn't compatible with frontpage or whatever
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mircea_popescu: decimation well at least he knows how to make a small fortune.
mircea_popescu: see, here's the thing : we had these idiots in romania, too. the sort that could be millionaires as long as the public treasury poured a billion or two in theior pants
decimation: wonder what the nsa would do with ancient lisp machines
mircea_popescu: so the other barbarian couldn't jack off to the marbles.
decimation: chicoms for some reason just want to reproduce shitty bezzletronics
mircea_popescu: incidentally, now that im apparently using it, wtf does chicom even mean ?
assbot: An Interview With Bil Herd - Zany Z80 Zygology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast
decimation: heh yeah, in the podcast Bil blames the death of commodore on Mr. Tramiel's exit from the company
decimation: according to Mr. Herd - Jack Tramiel ran Commodore with an iron fist. When he left, only derps were around to pretend to fill his shoes
mircea_popescu: " I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of planet e
decimation: I didn't realize - apparently Commodore made their own silicon chips, and even made their own LCD screens
mircea_popescu: arth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years. yet if Y2K doesn't light up most manager's view of the world of programming, there isn't hope for mankind at all."
decimation: according to Mr. Herd it was recently surpassed by the 'ipad' if you consider that to be a computer
assbot: Hacking the Commodore C128 with Bil Herd
decimation: yeah, he admitted it was 9 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag
decimation: in the podcast he said they should have produced the commodore LCD - which would have competed with the TRS-80
decimation: but apparently the fucktarded 'bitcoin ceo' who took over after Mr. Tramiel was speaking with the CEO of tandy who told him that here was "no money in portable computers"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in .net vb << In library school I was forced into this bullshit for a semester, final project I couldn't take it. Went FU here's a mono runtime in a jail and Visual C++ 6.0 that compiles to it because fuku
decimation: later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy
BingoBoingo: <decimation> later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy << If you can point me to someone selling 90+ working samples... may be interested
JorgePasada: Bah, getting kicked out of my friends place. Be back in 30. Been a while since I've been in here.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> surely, just once, as a boy? << I did the disposable camera to taser conversion wrapping to get taser voltages.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output? << Shhhh....
decimation: I haven't wire-wrapped myself, no - only soldered. but I have considered getting into it
decimation: it seems like an ideal method for prototyping logic
BingoBoingo: Ah, so the only reason people bought those
mircea_popescu: lesson for stan : next time girl breaks her ring, don't try to weld it back on her.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field. << SO story with those.
decimation: I've used butane soldering iron, works well
BingoBoingo: Younger dumber highschool me got pretty girl I'd been seeing pretty ring, and being youg poor white trash me I completely ignored subtexts in acquiring 10 gold ring with colored quartz rock. Girl got ideas, ring was rendered part of schoolbus floor
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decimation: they also expose you to the risk of your finger flesh being ripped off
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Her poorer, more white trash ass thought so.
decimation: I found a titanium ring is good for me most of the time, completely anti-reactive to skin and also cheap
BingoBoingo: Everything is fun and games until poorer and more white trash tries to become a precondition for future life
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?! << WHere???
mircea_popescu: are these for afficionados, light enough to attach scope to ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbrUnQPbpEU persay.
BingoBoingo: Wait, who seriously can't pirate Poor Man's James Bond vol. 1-4?
BingoBoingo: Why not wet sopping rag knuckle dusters, they'll have more mass
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assbot: Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: So if anyone cares, gas prices in Middle APerica less stable than BTC at the moment.
BingoBoingo: Kind of looking forward to more action on that front as the Saudis try to bankrupt US Bezzel "oil" men
assbot: Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: lol " In April 2010 actor and entertainer Darren Day was found guilty of possessing an offensive weapon, namely a Kubotan-style keyring, by a court in Edinburgh.[4]"
decimation: so, usg & friends might arrest you if you carry a stick
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decimation: asciilifeform: is that what russian cops use to beat hippies?
BingoBoingo: Only outside of a legitimate domicile. Within domicile even a fucking claymore sword is fair game.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Russian batons... have a very dildonic look
BingoBoingo: So... basically a kinder soldering iron alternative...
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many russian policemen used it to touch themselves.
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BingoBoingo has formative memories of hackberry as tree that drops limbs everywhere and fucks shit up
cazalla: home again, not much news around by looks of it anyway so didn't miss much
ben_vulpes: holy hell i blink and 800 lines appear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23370 @ 0.00073217 = 17.1108 BTC [-] {2}
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gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: do you read all those papers you link?
RagnarDanneskjol: its fascinating for me. i really enjoy thorough research even if conclusions/methods are somewhat flawed
punkman: "we show how our Accountable Storage protocol can be integrated with Bitcoin, to support automatic compensations proportional to the number of corrupted bits at the server. We also build and evaluate our protocols showing that they perform well in practice."
punkman: have these people been outside the lab?
punkman: oh hey 3 greek dudes in author list
punkman: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? < they use nlocktime, so no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3981 @ 0.00073612 = 2.9305 BTC [+]
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assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos visits Down Under | CoinJar Blog
jurov just came from dentist.. one tooth, 45 minutes and total exhaustion of both me and doctor
jurov: no, i don't know the term... hollowed down to the root and filled
Vexual: my typos anent usuall so dumb
Vexual: did you get novocaine?
assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol
punkman: "You should save the "Gavin is trying to impress evil institutional investors" mud-slinging for when I get around to laying out the argument for increasing the block size, because that would be closer to the truth."
jurov: no anesthetic needed fortunately
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2014 21:56:59; punkman: so I just put together something to test betting strategies on past bitbets and guess what, betting 0.1 on No on all resolved bets would result in a net gain of 9.7 BTC
assbot: An easy way to combine the power of .Net and Java | mikegrim
jurov: let's port bitcoin to java on top of dotnet!
davout: jurov: gotta get these pretty swing windows in dotnet
punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove?
bounce: that reads like the guy is a bit confused. then again, he certainly isn't the only one.
bounce subtly points out that you can run other things besides java on jvm too. like ruby, and python, and there's a lisp....
jurov: that was subtle suggestion of pytho->java->dotnet stack?
jurov: yean with random assortment of libraries on every layer
bounce: can we dotnet in javascript yet? with one of those nice accellerated js interpreters? It'll go lots faster that way, I'm sure.
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punkman: but yeah if there's linux on js, you can probably do .net
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assbot: The Effect of Programming Language On Software Quality - Slashdot
bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science!
jurov: bounce: gotta pick the best from every language !!!11
bounce: that's more or less what the PHP "designers" think they're doing. so... if you want that, you know where to get it.
bounce: hm. php on jvm? maybe retarget that facebook php compiler thing?
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kakobrekla: Blazedout419 (he is here in the chan) > I am sure will and deadterra have done quite well on this scam...
kakobrekla: while he carries another scam in the signature.
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punkman: "Stop holding my coins hostage, pay out my divs so I may reinvest them. I am loosing potential profit because of your practice. " << lol
kakobrekla: if someone has a working retard talk account, ping geegaw to come by ?
kakobrekla: >That's what sucked me in, I saw a lot of posts about 1-2 month ROI's so I bought my Zens retail from GAW @ 17.95 next day worked out my ROI 217 days, the very next day 1 year ROI (approx), next day retail Zens @ 14.95 and ROI infinity +1. Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked.
punkman: I thought magic cloud miners would autoscale
assbot: The Bullet That Could Solve 3-D Printed Guns' Reliability Problem | WIRED
mircea_popescu: " Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked." << duh.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel <<< pressed shit works just fine, when smeared on actually functioning machines!
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mircea_popescu: This site reaches over 3,428 monthly people, of which 2,111 (62%) yesterday.
bounce: "mobile web" + "online" = "web". dat distinction.
kakobrekla: eh? slashdot your target audience? top comment there: I bought one of these. It took a VERY long time to arrive, and only worked for a few weeks. I contacted them for warranty repair and they simply never responded after that. I am out around $3000.
bounce: so does quantcast count wordpress as "people"?
kakobrekla: you are basically talking to retard talk with green css
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. it is a news venue. it talks to retards. this, we knew going in.
mircea_popescu: bounce if it counted that qntra'd be well above gawker this month.
punkman: you have to run the quantcast javascript to count
bounce: reimplement in php and submit as a patch to wordpress
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how they do traffic measuring these days. i have no doubt whatsoever that it can be gamed.
punkman: oh they have a fallback tracking pixel too
assbot: F.DERP October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: if anyoen wants to give a final look to the month's statements, please do. i'll be signing them and deeding them later today.
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mircea_popescu: well yeah, if you're going to make a gun-cartridge might as well make it sealed.
menahem: n00b following the rules set forth by good 'ol pete dushenski
menahem: ha, yea. most of it is great, some stuff takes a few re-reads.
menahem: i've met a few bitcoin-assets ppl around the globe already, not knowing until later that they were all in the wot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's wrong with just burying them in a pile ?
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assbot: Hi folks, I'm a homeowner on XXXXX Street, and I'm writing to complain -- onc - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, wouldn't a continuous furnace be the best approach ?
nubbins`: ^ that's the email i wrote to the city
mircea_popescu: keep adding 1 cartridge/second, keep taking molten stuff out.
nubbins`: a couple councillors email back "we will notify the appropriate people" etc
nubbins`: then the MAYOR emails me back, CCing the city manager:
assbot: Dave Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to t - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is this slumlord the new official slur for this circumstance ?
nubbins`: i can picture the old fart hove off on his couch w/ his ipad, smoking a cigar, "y'know what? enough IS enough"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu gotta call a diamond a diamond
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, the mayor response would be a better paste. we don't care what YOU said :D
nubbins`: anyway, i pasted both, parse em as you will ;p
nubbins`: so i got that reply late last night. today, the city comes, picks up the trash out front, gets a ladder, and REATTACHES THE DECK TO THE HOUSE
mircea_popescu: "the XXXXX Street area is a shitty, needle-littered dump" << srsly ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu not as bad as i make it seem
nubbins`: but you do find needles from time to time
nubbins`: "fuck the sharps container, this one's going in the road"
nubbins`: feed that woman enough beans and she'd make a great espresso machine
mircea_popescu: true story : i once spent in excess of an hour inserting coffee beans one by one into girl butt. just to see what'd happen.
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nubbins`: ^ that little bit of white trim is where the door used to be
nubbins`: anyway, good on the city, i guess; reattaching the deck is way cheaper than dismantling it and hauling it to the dump
kakobrekla: Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to the
kakobrekla: property owner , no matter what the cost to the owner! Enough is enough! < ask for pgp signed statement, email isnt safe.
nubbins`: doc o'keefe don't give a fuck about no pgp
mircea_popescu: i'm giving even odds the guy doesn't end up paying for it.
nubbins`: i already pay plenty by living next to the guy
nubbins`: anyway, would be interesting to see how many prior invoices have gone unpaid
nubbins`: this is maybe the 5th time in 3 years i've made this happen ;/
mircea_popescu: generally, nubbins wars against people owning half the street go pretty predictable.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2014 21:08:35; asciilifeform: the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept
nubbins`: mircea_popescu no doubt, but it's my duty
kakobrekla: next week will be "o wait, it costs 6k? no we are not paying for THAT. 6k is not "whatever it costs", its 3k more than that."
mircea_popescu: but no, coupla hours with a crew and a truck is what, 350 ?
nubbins`: city workers prolly get 25-35/hr during business hours
mircea_popescu: right. 6 grunts for 2 hours + driver counted as 2 = 160 bux. 80 for the truck, provided you don't actually have a deal and get it for 6k or so a month.
nubbins`: would love to see o'dea's face when he gets the bill
nubbins`: barring ambiguousness, pronouns should always be omitted
nubbins`: one thing the castellanos did right
jurov: nubbins`: just put a deck, too? you said you want it
jurov: so the solution is very easy
jurov: bribe the town crew to fix the yours one
jurov: and watch it billed to him
nubbins`: "yeah, o'dea said he was gonna buy a bunch of pizza and leave it out front, but he didn't...
nubbins`: enough is enough! order a jumbo meat lovers and send the donair sauce to the property owner!
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nubbins`: FWIW the "sweet sauce" has garlic as the main spice
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you don't dry-rub your briskets?!
punkman: I've never had one with sweet sauce
nubbins`: halifax-style donair sauce is the best thing
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nubbins`: i like making a huge batch of donairs once or twice a year
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nubbins`: i still can't believe she wasn't a donair
jurov: well... when i was in vancouver, my relatives there obviously knew better than to introduce us to poutine and donair
nubbins`: ;;google king of donair trailer park boys
jurov: only long after i discovered these "canadian foods"
mircea_popescu: jurov "what stupid poor people would eat if they had no mothers."
nubbins`: fun fact, poutine is a common "first solid food" for babies in northern canada
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin isn't a security, if they say it's a security, they would be the first government in the world to give Bitcoin that sort of value or endorsement." << reading between the lines, "leadership coach" that doesn't understand either bitcoin or his jurisdiction is shitting his pants.
mircea_popescu: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? << no dude, "corrupted bit" count totally is the correct proxy for insurance claims.
mircea_popescu: that's why car claims are based on square cms of ruined paint.
mircea_popescu: it's a shame that most people go to their graves with 99%+ intact bodies.
mircea_popescu: a sad testament to the poor quality of healthcare offered before obamacare became a thing.
mircea_popescu: ok, jurov's root anal / total exhaustion of all parties thing is in bash now. which i think jurov mods... so preemptive SCAM!
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mircea_popescu: punkman not only am i not loading google js pilefest sites, but is the dude even in the wot ?
jurov: what's scammy on it?
jurov: regardless it gets approved or not, i'll blame it on kako
mircea_popescu: kako is responsible for like 40% of somalia's milk production.
jurov: that's not milk, but donair
punkman: gonna write article eventually
mircea_popescu: waste of your time, trying to find someone do something useful before WE did it.
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jurov: kakobrekla you removed "cunt raw" before my eyes... you did not get it?
jurov: just say "cunt raw ex" aloud
jurov: wow, it has even another meaning?
mircea_popescu: this one is only there for russian speakers, because in english u never crosses the barrier to a, nor w (a sort of u) to v
kakobrekla: jurov i guess i dont find it bash worthy
kakobrekla: one thing to note jurov, when you approve, do them in order from top down
jurov: yea i know and did it
kakobrekla: sometimes i go through the pending list and just delete what i dont see worthy
kakobrekla: and leave the quotes that im not sure what to do with, or how to cut them
assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol
kakobrekla: i see you just flushed everything down the toilet
jurov: no i actually accepted everything that was left
jurov: oh that's what you mean
jurov: and qntra is the sink
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mircea_popescu: then by october he was already making preparatory moves.
kakobrekla: <jurov> and qntra is the sink < bidet you mean prolly
jurov: or it's special bidet only for pizdas? and the other one is pulet?
mircea_popescu: well the bidet IS for pizde. and i guess for dudes cursed with a cock so short
jurov feels trilema exhortation on private hygiene upcoming
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mircea_popescu: punkman honestly, i do not believe the empty wankfest of these schmucks "having ideas" and resolving theoretical problems in theoretical ways should in any shape or form be encouraged.
mircea_popescu: this dovetails into stans permabitch about the "mathematizing" and "proofs" issues in general computation theory
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand into the business side of "your ideas are worthless, and what your head produced can't even be called an idea in any sense" i used to rant about back in 2013ish.
mircea_popescu: kids need clear signals to be able to live their lives rather than dream their lives, and encouraging this stupidity is the wrong signal.
starzz_: Hello. I want to join the cult
starzz_: have a stupid article to write for qntra
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starzz_: in there. Don't know why it's not showing up here (otc it did)
mircea_popescu: if gribble dun see you it dun see you. -otc -assets or anywhere else. maybe you disconnected.
mircea_popescu: punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove? <<< yeah.
mircea_popescu: bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science! <<< this science allowed me to win the lottery for fifty eight times in a row by always wearing the same shirt i wore when i won the first time.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you couldn't have dug up boston for a decade if there wasn't government to make it cost 10 trillion.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they're bitching about fossil fuels. here's an idea, libertard lobby : your understanding of bitcoin is going to fix the problem you imagine is "global warming". why hate ?
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mircea_popescu: soo, unrelatedly : the republicans now own the house, majority in the senate, a bunch more governors...
mircea_popescu: obama just went on a two year vacation, at a cost of a bunch of money.
mircea_popescu: myeah. i remember the days a coupla years ago that used to be a part of the conversation.
mircea_popescu: incredible how much a few years change in the third world.
ben_vulpes: that she shakes her head while saying "i approve this message" made me lol.
mircea_popescu: `--- `--- `--- awkward patter bullshit with the headcharge movement to boot
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point where trying to be taught something in the us is a worse gambit than just not washing.
qntranet: following the link to contact cazala
qntranet: I know. Who knew? Just click the link and I'm qntra?
mircea_popescu: google : "Barack Obama, Presidential term January 20, 2009 "
qntranet: I've been reading you for a year. I'm learning how. I've signed onto otc & know how to get in wot
qntranet: I can afford to write an article. I don't have the 30 btc for Mpex (or I'd buy bitbet shares)
qntranet: See. that's what us edumacation does for one lol
jurov: qntranet any suggestion where coinbr should be advertised?
jurov: so that people know about it?
qntranet: it's tough to break into the media.
qntranet: That's what I think my article might do.
jurov: it is mentioned in the mpex faq
kakobrekla: jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that. my humble opinion.
jurov: long past most people's attantion span, tho
qntranet: Remove the scare factor a little bit
qntranet: I know there are other people like me who get it
jurov: i know.. but still .. when there is only ~10 people who actually pay these 2 bitcents
jurov: i don[t believe it would be so much more when it's free
jurov: yes. since november
punkman: jurov, 0.1 year paid up-front might do better
jurov: plus another two per withdrawal
mircea_popescu: same people then derp all about how ipad is great, costs them a little more than 5 bux, delivers a lot less.
jurov: er.. since *last* november
kakobrekla: if 5 bux is change then you just get mpex acc its like 10 bux at the current btc price
jurov: just rephrase it all
qntranet: thanks ya'll. I have a coinbr account to create.
mircea_popescu: today we find kakobrekla's cock is approximately 28 miles long.
mircea_popescu: makes long distance relationships that much easier for him.
jurov: pity he lives it that part of world where you can't get 10 miles without encountering town or road
jurov: planes? 28 miles is enough for orbital launch!
jurov: kako's preparing for another lauch
jurov: suborbital jizz insertion
mircea_popescu: the ultimate face splat experience. you don;t even know whom it's gonna end up on!
CheckDavid: A while ago i saw a notification here about a gold bet placed on bitbet.us, but now i can't find it.
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jurov: when you put gold into the searchox, it won't come up?
mircea_popescu: "where should the searchbox advertise itself" is jurov's q.
CheckDavid: jurov: some gold bets come up, but i don't think its the one that i saw in the notification
CheckDavid: That's what i was thinking mircea_popescu
CheckDavid: Doesn't show up in closed either, but not impotant
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mats_cd03: i wonder what glad tidings gop congress will bring
mircea_popescu: basically, either they start taking obamacare apart or lose their mommentum
bounce: lovely error message: "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." -- but naturally, DO NOT EVER show the poor user the list of supported protocols, because, you know, having the user guess is much better than showing what you do know.
mircea_popescu: granted that dismating it now is probably the worst possible outcome, way worse than never having implemented it in the first place.
mircea_popescu: it's constructed to support a certain ideology. that ideology does not include the user contributing anything.
jurov: as for WoL.. did you ever do any giveaways on trolltalk? such as coinroll raffles, they made wonders
jurov: scrat put 100btc in, got several hundred out
jurov: if someone (mpif nudge wink) gave us some dought, i'm sure it could be repeated
mircea_popescu: so wait. 100 btc raffle resulted in >30k worth of bets from bitcointalk ?
jurov: r dunno from where
jurov: Namworld you around?
jurov: he should know concrete numbers, it was tracked
mircea_popescu: anyway, there were all sorts of offers, matching gains, i dun recall it all.
mircea_popescu: US $133,700 to turn the new album into an hour long musical anime
mircea_popescu: 70k frames at >1 dollar per frame ? i should make a korean drawing company.
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: know where i can find K&R 1st ed warez? ive only read 2nd ed, and i can't find the first through hefty googling.
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jurov: maybe that anime is done similar way
bounce ran into an open tab with the purported cex/ghash sec letter. can't help but wonder what happened next.
kakobrekla: bounce they upped their advertising cannons.
kakobrekla: get as much chumps before they need to dox them
bounce: so no meaningful reply except a stream of dox to be expected then. right.
bounce: kinda curious since they're apparently registered in london.
kakobrekla: so they can be a part of their averaged out ticker
kakobrekla: bitstamp is legal by being retarded evil scammers
bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us."
cazalla: damn BingoBoingo, you were not kidding about that quantcast.. i had to get up early and chase the rubbish truck down the street as someone forgot to put the bins out last night :\
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chetty: asciilifeform, hahahaha best explanation of that I have heard, I am gonna steal it
chetty: all very true, but not as much fun as the first one asciilifeform
chetty: hmmm and when you put that together with the overton window ...now I got to think some
chetty: unfortunately not that many people can follow the math of it
chetty: I seem to find a lot of people that cant even make change
chetty: haha, yeah it doesn't really mean that much, but it does put me off trying to explain things
chetty: anyway if you think about the overton window only letting you see the middle parts of the sphere it does explain a lot
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ben_vulpes: jurov: i just pinged the turdolator and didn't get a bounce and don't see it in the archives.
chetty: now that one makes my head hurt :P
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: work is going well, we just moved half the employees to the other side, of I have an office to myself now. Just sandwiches
kakobrekla: toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. < toilet and bidet hybrids do well in china
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nubbins`: !s preferred syntax highlighting style
ben_vulpes: because it fails to bring the whole chain down?
nubbins`: something tells me this book ain't getting done by nov 15 ;D
nubbins`: meantime, i may have something special lined up for the cover
nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane
nubbins`: i settled for a meat sub instead
nubbins`: didn't have time for a donair ;/
mircea_popescu: bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us." << depends on what you mean by get away.
ben_vulpes: i wonder if 0.6.3 shows the same behavior.
ben_vulpes: not that moving forwards to "version number" parity with the rangers is in any way a good idea, just to handle this crud.
nubbins`: fast to order... eating it in a reasonable amount of time is the problem
nubbins`: you need like 30-45 minutes to eat a donair
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cazalla: i'll keep pasting em seeing scoopbot no longer has the scoop
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases << this is actually interesting to work out.
mircea_popescu: the area (ie, 2d volume) of a circle (ie, 2d sphere) is pi r ^ 2. the area of a circle half as big ? pi (r/2) ^ 2. so therefore 3/4 of the sphere's volume is within the tophalf of its radius.
mircea_popescu: the tophalf of a sphere always holds (2^n-1)/2^n of the volume.
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bounce: not sure why this concentrates on "cities of at least 50k households"
mircea_popescu: lol i bet half of africa has better internet than half of ny state.
bounce: if you count facebook-only mobile "internet"
mircea_popescu: really, most of the "poor countries" are basically ohio minus us style cops. bout same facilities and amenties.
bounce: but it's all the more poignant for the excellent backbone infrastructure that really doesn't exist in africa
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to have shitty internet because you can't afford to lay cable.
mircea_popescu: it's another because... uh... whatever the whiteplains excuse is.
bounce: I have no idea what is or isn't available in ohio
nubbins`: huly fu-u-u-u-u-ck it takes a long time to download the blockchain
z33andO_o: that's because it's not really p2p software, bitcoin-core picks 1 node and downloads all from it
z33andO_o: if you pick a slow one then it takes ages
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's another one for the endless list : fix the motherfucking p0p implementation so it actually is p2p
bounce: the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations
mircea_popescu: nubbins` satoshi's origina, likely defensible call was that "hack it this way so it works, fix later when more manpower"
mircea_popescu: obviously usgavin then failed to deliver on this, as on anything else. another broken promise.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoin is being introduced today for the first time, plays out exactly as described.
nubbins`: seriously tho, i'm downloading blocks over fiber at 60KB/s
nubbins`: only thing i know how to flush is the toilet
mircea_popescu: block its ip in your firewall. most likely result bitcoind hickups for a minute and moves on.
mircea_popescu: obviously exact result can not be known, because the specification is gavin's mother's cunt.
nubbins`: yeah, see, bitcoind crashes ~1x daily on this vm
nubbins`: i'm assuming it grabs a diff node each time
nubbins`: 60KB/s is probably the best upload speed i'll ever get from some random user
bounce: can you force what node it'll fetch the blockchain from?
bounce: would be worth it to trace a couple yourself and pick a good one, then force-feed it
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, actually, by editing the fallback list and wiping its other methods of acquisition
nubbins`: not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k
mircea_popescu: (said fallback list being another thing that should go away, but iirc this was mentioned)
bounce: something to drop on a todo list in a wiki or something
nubbins`: provide text file w/ trusted nodes as argument or smth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and zapping the idiotic db corruption <<< there is more to this story, i doubt it's just "corruption". sadly i dun have the smoking gun.
bounce: or, well, start with dropping the things on the ml, it's there for this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: but if there was a candidate for "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin, this is it.
nubbins`: not sure what i'd get if i hooked up a wire
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane :D
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nubbins`: side note: that's a silkscreened cover
nubbins`: you'd see this occasionally in old letterpress shit, where the publisher ran outta type in the given font
mircea_popescu: i think ima make a list of romanian cursing. the internet is appalling.
bounce: maybe the same reason why "modern" word-produced turds end up with more fonts than words
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cazalla: imagine having to build your website to accomodate such people or get your shit handed to you
bounce: and the block problem is a DB handling problem, wasn't it? making swapping DB thingies a bit of a priority.
cazalla: you got the scoop this time scoopbot
punkman: was playing with vanitygen, found a 1tits address that also says "how hot" in private key
ben_vulpes: there's also a discussion to have about how to distribute
ben_vulpes: when merge, how number, method of dist etc
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about distributing a sourceball with patches merged.
BingoBoingo: <bounce> the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations << No, it happens. You just need a town that can get away with it. Muni internet exists here and had no serious opposition.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur. << Small, affluent compared to the surrounding error.
PeterL: was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight << Aha!
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list? << Prolly not, he stops by here very rarely.
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satdav: I am a member of Firefox support team
satdav: mircea_popescu: how do I register on gribble
satdav: Yes very hard at times
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satdav: mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this
BingoBoingo: <satdav> mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this << If you must use GPG on windows at least compile it yourself. The extant gpg4win binaries have a dubious reputation
jurov: ben_vulpes" i told you several times: s'il vous plait, do register with the mailman. it will *not* register you automatically1
jurov: i am registered and did get your email fine
nubbins` idly considers opening a sports shop named "s'il vous play"
nubbins`: See vous play. Play, vous, play.
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jurov: maybe you did not finish
jurov: in the second email there is a link,
jurov: on that link there is a button
jurov: and only after clicking it you're in
jurov: you wanted rigor, gotta have rigor
mod6: thanks for getting the address setup for the foundation jurov & for signing on to be the treasurer for the Foundation
jurov: oh and please kindly send me or to deedbot your signed contracts
satdav: You guys should register as a freenode group also
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to get them servers for a coupla years now.
assbot: Bundle 1MXeLHi5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
satdav: Lol mircea_popescu its hard for servers for irc ddos
jurov: no, the treasurer's contract so that there are no ugly 404s from the bottom links
jurov: but wait, i'll update id with deed info
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's just, "jurov has self-appointed himself"
mod6: Has the document been updated with the address et. al?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in a decade or two once gpg ios the only basis of commerce, identity and general life, that's going to be the #1 scam : here's this document. it's signed. just by me.
mod6: we'll get it done asap
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jurov: ooh I now get what was the REFERENCES for ... not for itself, but for the charter
jurov: if nobody else does, will fix it tmrw
mod6: is there a way for someone to revoke their signed deed?
mod6: we need the three of us to sign that contract with the REFERENCES section in there
mod6: anyone whom already submitted might need to re-submit, not sure if there is a way to pull previously submitted deeds.
mircea_popescu: and something tells me this is going to be a bitch going forward.
mod6: and if both ben_vulpes and I sign that exact document with our keys, there is a tie back to the deed submitted by jurov
assbot: #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mod6: the problem is here, that "[R.1] doesn't tie back to the specific Charter document
assbot: deeds signed by mircea_popescu
mod6: just jurov's submission to the deedbot
mod6: so there should be a R.1 secion to the submission to deedbot for the charter, and an R2 that ties back to his submission of the Treasurer's contract to the deedbot
punkman: mircea_popescu: might as well put the whole thing there (gotta fetch from db and decompress)
mircea_popescu: to keep it lighter. i suppose you could actually put the whole thing sure.
mod6: and as far as "[R.1]" it should probably encompass both of our signed submissions of the charter to deedbot
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mod6: (since we didn't submit them on the same bundle)
mod6: any errors in this thinking?
punkman: should I look into creating a utility that does the multisig hack?
punkman: or whatever can help such workflow
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly, i wouldn't worry about it. it's there, it's signed.
mircea_popescu: anyone has doubts about the matter has also the means to verify it.
mod6: ok. just was hoping for distinct links.
mircea_popescu: the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time"
mod6: just was hoping for a daisy-chained document sigs in the public record
mircea_popescu: so you mean you want jurov's thing to reference the charter you two signed ?
mircea_popescu: this is trivially accomplished, just include the two links.
mod6: m6 & bv --sigs-> A & B signed charter ; treasurers sub-doc contains links to A & B to be signed by j & mod6 & bc
mircea_popescu: to be fair tho, i have a coupla other machines, so i suppose that counts as multiple anyway.
mircea_popescu: i've hammered this lcd thing into low emission tolerability, and well... kinda too lazy i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd reject a patch because it was submitted by a whore ?
mircea_popescu: i wish to see the camho that figures out how to submit fuck you to this thing.
mircea_popescu: but generally : trust-but-verify is the best model available.
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mircea_popescu: maybe it rhymes in russian because russian was so made so that good original sentences rhyme ?
ben_vulpes: i just got an email with an attachment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had it from patristics, and assumed it's greek. seems it's actually bona fide russian folklore.
punkman: "trust but verify" doesn't translate very well though
mircea_popescu: so apparently ask.fm is where all the cool kids are nao.
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mircea_popescu: "Which town did you grow up in? What's been the best commercial you've seen? Whats the best gift you have ever given someone, in your opinion? What position do you sleep in? Are you a very ambitious person? What is the worst gift you have ever received?" << of all the inept shit...
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mircea_popescu makes account, and for a minute contemplates stream of meaningless faces, and their literal outbursts. la nausee strikes.
mircea_popescu is at that precise moment enlightened : rather than interact with random people, he'd count sand.
ben_vulpes: i've been working out of a client's office on the 27th floor of this skyscraper downtown all week, and every time i walk outside i'm struck with gut-level desires to insulate myself from the people derping around outside the building.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "other people" exist is perhaps the most striking shared delusion humanity ever came up with. seriously, they do ? how ?
cazalla: so i butchered 6 rabbits this morning and a crow swooped and took a bunny head, imagine the poor kid that finds that in his backyard lol
mircea_popescu: worker falls asleep on the roadside, with loaded ass next to him. coupla bums decide to steal the goods
mircea_popescu: one of them comes up with a bright idea : takes bit off ass, puts over own head, while his fellow takes the ass and its load away.
mircea_popescu: worker awakens, finds a man instead of the ass. man explains that lo! he was cursed by his jealous lover woman, and his time as an ass just came to an end!
mircea_popescu: awestruck worker bids him enjoy his freedom and leaves.
mircea_popescu: coupla weeks later, worker runs into his ass at a fair. shimmies next to it and whispers
mircea_popescu: Most people stumble through life afraid to speak any of the words that they only know from their reading, fearful that they will make fools of themselves by mispronouncing them in public. <<< this was a fact in jerome k jerome's england, back when people knew your class based on your rp.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile your average usian has no problem speako spanisho, and wonders why the spanish speakero no understando.
mircea_popescu: o holy shit don't tell me he's of the "spoken as written" school of pararetardism
mircea_popescu: Take the word that sounds like tu. It is spelled in three different ways: to, too, and two. << if only these actually sounded even vaguely alike.
mircea_popescu: that he's an ignorant ass i know. but why is he such a twerp to not even bother do his motherfucking reading, quote the actual canonical examples on this topic ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's possible you don't hear them. some people don't distinguish some colors, red/green, yellow/blue, whatever. it does not follow paintings are bad or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the way this works is actually very similar to genetics. there's someting like 100ish vowels available to the human voice. these are all spaced equally apart, say 1 unit each.
mircea_popescu: if a language happens to use the 3rd and 9th a, then the speaker expects that 6 unit barrier.
mircea_popescu: when confronted with language using 5th 6th and 7th, he believes them to be "the same". this is not actually the case.
mircea_popescu: there is a very slight difference between the length of the vowel in to and too, which length allows the latter to round closer to a plain u
mircea_popescu: consider that the u in food is properly uː whereas the u in good is properly ʊ. these are in fact quite distinct, for most people , with some training.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no argument that english is, under the pressure of its colonialism, dieing a chinese death. so the argument is widely moot.,
mircea_popescu: mandarin was never specced, because, well... the speech is the spec.
mircea_popescu: The g in beige is the same consonant sound as the s in Asia and z in azure. << god help us.
mircea_popescu: And the kids are supposed to be able to make sense of this? At what point are children allowed to learn a set of symbols that unambiguously represent the speech sounds of English? << <this idea that if kids had it easier the world would be better is not unlike the idea that if the government spent more money the economy would work well.
mircea_popescu: holy fuckingshit, fifty years of making it progressively easier for kids were enough to squander 500 years worth of accumulated advantages, to the point even the fucking indians can now compete with american kids.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you seen mathematical notation recently ?
mircea_popescu: note that he's not proposing to get rid of the training weights to replace them with actual anythings.
mircea_popescu: any mathematical symbol is defined within its context and there only.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat. << And you're the one worried about everyone else's starvation!
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BingoBoingo: This is a point. Seriously why would people have a fat wall of mining hardware and no halon?
ben_vulpes: i suppose mining really is so low margin these days that even the antifire stuff ruins profitability.
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BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in emails do you prefer Stan or Stanislav?
ben_vulpes: check your 'spam' folder - jurov's not done anything with dkim
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ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work?
kakobrekla: btw you can do subcategories there as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to sum it : there already exists a phonetic notation, and has, for a century. it has the advantage that it works in all languages, and it is also fine enough for absolutely any conceivable use, with its extensions.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, there are numerous attempts by various poetterings to create a "better language" because maybe that way their mother will not have been a crackwhore anymore.
mircea_popescu: the most notable example is that polari gypsy lingo thing, which is notable for how shitty it is.
BingoBoingo: Ah, Yeah, it's a pain. Latin alphabet works one way, Anglophones have retarded vowel shift, the irrelevance of Chinese supposes azns should look to Castellano as a lingua franca for dealing with white people.
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with << margins.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ? << If by like perl you mean the runtime doesn't suck, then maybe?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits <<< if you're going to fill with gas, fill with technological gas.
decimation: supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language
BingoBoingo: Well, I mean the mines flood themselves with it
BingoBoingo: <decimation> supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language << Actually this is indeed a thing.
BingoBoingo has seen on several occasion musical scores in not Amerglish which had the target language only in IPA
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work? << they work best when large audience, small rewards.
mircea_popescu: decimation the thing with ipa is that it roughly works like a modular pluggable thing.
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mircea_popescu: how does one use a wiki ? specifically, i wish to add an answer to "what is the desired behavior here?"
decimation: well, chinese solves this with a little gui tool
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so in your opinion bounties for biggies like "wedged 0.5.3" aren't going to produce much?
decimation: wrt english pidgin < This already happens, ever been to hawaii?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let's consider the general point. a) elvis at the hight of his popularity offers a beer to anyone that runs a mile in five minutes ; b) totally unknown autistic otaku offers a million internet funbutts to anyone that runs a mile.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa << IPA is the java of the linguistics world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point is merely that if a space already has a bad solution, implementing a bad solution by nobody is stupid.
mircea_popescu: i read enough to know the person is not only never going to produce a good solution, but is actually ignorant enough to not even realise what the difference may be, and on top of that impudent enough to imagine this not to be so.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: bounties << my unwedging << first i'd have to invent the universe
mircea_popescu: impudent, incidentally, is an interesting word. it comes, of course, from pudenda, and it connotes shamelessness, immodesty.
mircea_popescu: somehow contemporary retardation has retained ball-less-ness
mircea_popescu: but cunt-less-ness is lost, and then people wonder why women feel unequal.
decimation: it seems to me that sqllite might make a reasonable stand-in for bdb
mircea_popescu: iirc this was considered and rejected for good reasons in array.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not averse to it at all but i can't even tell what's bdb and what's other things.
ben_vulpes: i mean i don't even understand how CRITICAL_BLOCKs are implemented yet
decimation: asciilifeform: I didn't realize that the soviet army was a 'volunteer' organization
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decimation: so it was kinda like you could volunteer or be told that you were volunteering?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the final phase of dissolution is when the best predictor for electoral failure is being the incumbent.
mircea_popescu: it simply means the "voters" scum expect on average more out of the forcing of the public treasury than on the maximum the public treasury may contain
BingoBoingo: In Illinois, Pat Quinn's greatest failing was being an "honest Democrat"
BingoBoingo: To trim the budget he cut the wrong bezzels. Also broke the rule in Illinois that Governor must be Unrepentant criminal, he was repentant
decimation: I predict that now the republicans have won they will quickly give away the farm on immigration, taxes, more welfare, etc
decimation: I predict that the number of H1b visas will at least triple
BingoBoingo: Well, that's how one keeps elected office generally
thestringpuller: some companies hire H1B applicants over citizens/residents.
mircea_popescu: well, obviously depends what your goals are, but if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality is among them then an open system will alway sbeat any closed one.
mircea_popescu: in short, you're better off living in a country of immigrants than in a coutnry of citizens.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
mircea_popescu: i think you miss my meaning. " if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality"
mircea_popescu: i don't happen to care that usians believe sucking cock is not something to be good at
decimation: the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials
mircea_popescu: decimation not so. the chinese guy in his example was well skilled
mircea_popescu: just, at a skill the puritanical state refuses to name. "slavery" say.
decimation: they refuse to say it, but tacitly allow it
BingoBoingo: <decimation> the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials << Difference is Usians with phony credentials tend to get along better at work parties
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a slave is a slave. the responsibility for his actions is his master's.
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mircea_popescu: imagine this. romanian rural population, making ~2-3k a year, thinks themselves better.
decimation: they hold gym class on the mall as I recall
gernika: I like the h1b worker as slave idea. Everything makes so much more sense now.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the locals are haetful. because he outworks them. << Generally the way this work in US is eventually Indian family produces doctor in US, they use their surplus to bringing in hardworking family members willing to put all effort into running fuelstation/convenience stores, shopkeep cousins succeed, finance next generation of doctors, pale natives bitch that people were willing to work at shopkeeping
gernika: Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves
BingoBoingo: <gernika> Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves << You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline
decimation: BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/. << For a generation at least, but there's always more people with a work ethic who can sustain the system.
gernika: What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom.
BingoBoingo: And I'm not talking about the Urban tradition of Arab shops, I'm talking about motherfucking Circle K, king of the Midwestern convenience market
BingoBoingo: gernika> What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom. << Goal oriented activity
gernika: Yes. Everything and anything for the goal.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the real thing that enables this are "family relocation" visas
gernika: The goal doesn't have to be meaningful. It just has to be achieved.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only on paper, the real power is there are always poor kids in India with dreams and a work ethic
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BingoBoingo: Dig into actual records, google will be of little help
gernika: BingoBoingo You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline << even doctors and lawyers are slaves in the US now, due to student loan debt.
BingoBoingo: ^ Depends on specialty. My brother who cam from the same poor ass lineage i did is now in Dentistry with his SJW wife and adorable dog
decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us
decimation: I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law
BingoBoingo: That is why stan doesn't atm have a ranch and to bitches trained in rifle-fu
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law << Of course, even with the obamacare bezzel established families in medicine have a strong advantage
BingoBoingo: The difference between Internal medicine and dermatology is about 300k/year
cazalla: the indians come to australia on a 457 visa to work at places like mcdonalds
BingoBoingo: Networking, priveledge, reciptority, these are old mechanics. There were Roman Charioteers who earned more from sport than A-Rod could imagine
decimation: I thought australia had very strict immigration rules
cazalla: and i was not much a fan of them until i lived with one indian guy and he made the best hainanese chicken so all is forgiven
cazalla: decimation, yeah, if you try to come by boat but come by plane and it's easy
decimation: I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country << Twas inevitable. Blame the WASPs
cazalla: australians really hate boat people which is amusing given so many of us actually came by boat, my parents included, 50-60 years back, it's like they don't want to be reminded
decimation: what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude) << Because the previous generation used their surplus income to establish petit dynasties
cazalla: decimation, nah germans, red cross helped my fathers family get out here
decimation: I've heard that there is quite a large number of germans in australia
cazalla: well, his family being his parents at the time and not me obviously
decimation: cazalla: were they fleeing the post-wwii misery of germany?
cazalla: i dunno full story tbh, opa was in the wehrmacht and we have photos of him as an officer but my father reckons he wasn't an officer despite the photos and shit
decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii
gernika: decimation any good sources to read about it? Seen some german movies about the immediate post ware period.
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assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:50:50; asciilifeform: there were fully-functional german hamlets in, even, kazakhstan
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:55:38; asciilifeform: what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime.
gernika: interesting - the movie I saw was more about what the russians did to germany after the war. Wrt anglos are we talking firebombing?
gernika: I would not be surprised at the gap in my knowledge given my public education.
BingoBoingo: Anglos Firebommed and scared defectors with the "Russian threat", Russians at the time offered "Stalin"
decimation: gernika: I guess I was more referring to the intentional policies of starvation and mass population displacement
decimation: after the war was over, but yeah firebombing counts too. Of course the source for that is "slaughterhouse five"
decimation: but also after the first world war, when the same population was starved and forced into debt slavery
supay: thanks BingoBoingo!
supay: i was wondering if the bitcoin price will really rise again..
supay: and what the reasons might be for the drop
supay: doing a small presentation about bitcoins for my 'technical seminar' at school! :)
BingoBoingo: <supay> and what the reasons might be for the drop << Buterin's waterfall
supay: okay, that seems understandable.
supay: what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'm working on a summary, if you can beat e to it submit it for publiccation
BingoBoingo: <supay> what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year? << This year questionable, Next year possible, but work on your knife fighting skills
supay: haha, im only here to get your opinions and possible explanations for the same.. i dont have the know how to write a paper etc
supay: oh, okay.. thats seems sad considering a lot of people were expecting it to jump up all of a sudden..
supay: the logs you linked me to have a mention of how the FBI seize of the SikRoad BTC might be a cause.. i've heard a lot of people saying the same, would that be nearly true?
BingoBoingo: In Bitcoin you have to realize the thing shortly went from soft adversaries (Trendon Shavers) to hard adversaries (Obola and Ebama) very quickly
BingoBoingo: supay: Probably is in part, but not entirely
supay: Obolo and Ebama, rofl
BingoBoingo: Seriously BTC is a hard business this year. Jurov is surviving, barely, on 10 customers
supay: there was another mention of a reason for the price drop - a lot of companies now accepting bitcoins. but how does that work?
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BingoBoingo: People with Bitcoin pay Overstock.com for schlock and Overstock sells the BTC automagically, feeding Buterin's waterfall
supay: interesting.. will have to go through that as well