gernika: So Buterin's Waterfall works like this: Buterin announces scam coin sale. Chumps give him btc, bringing down the price of BTC which he then sells for fiat. Weak hands then sell btc for fiat on the market out of fear. Correct?
gernika: If that is correct, how does the cycle repeat? Or does it?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: likbez takes time unless a less ruminant thinker than myself writes likbez... (hint)
gernika: So post WWI reparations imposed on germany was the teasing?
BingoBoingo: Maybe germans imposed on Germany the teasing, or the Austro-Hungarians.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, the colonies (as mircea_popescu helpfully points out) never really grew into their father's shoes. << They played, the Great White fleet was a thing for a few months in Siam
thestringpuller: I don't know what fails to be honest. HDD failure on XBox though isn't fatal failure.
thestringpuller: just that red ring. the general "This xbox is fucked, don't bother repairing"
thestringpuller: that is what I suspect. that these newer consoles have higher tendency to overheat and kill themselves
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the ubiquitous and pestilential bga (ball grid array) deballings. << red ring usually this
thestringpuller: yet my SNES has stayed on 6 days, gotten much abuse, yet still runs like the day I opened it
ninjashogun: Hi. I was informed some people from here were talkiing shit about me? I don't have any interaction with this channel (and haven't for months) - if you have any specific complaints (or areas for room for improvement in the future) you can tell me. My reading is that this is a very low-signal troll community. (For example, cazalla's rating of my on WoT is after he gave me an Australian police department's number, not his own. Asciil
ninjashogun: ifeform and bingoboingo rated me as "us government" after I contributed 3 days of work via email, which they were free to ignore.)
ninjashogun: so let's discuss what your objections are if you have some.
ninjashogun: I am not coming by here anymore and otherwise have nothing to say. I hvae no comment on your community.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: You contibuted failing work on a simple paper about spinoza
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you think that work is failing (though you aborted the draft early, but it literally included a dependency graphy exactly as you requested) then you're entitled to it. At least I did it as you requested.
thestringpuller: well you make good point. N64 almost doubled in value recently
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: You point to a machine generated graph you submitted as right, but which was wrong
ninjashogun: It wasn't machine generated. I made it by hand in a word processor.
thestringpuller: i guess i'm a baby. i don't remember a time when that didn't exist.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and playing on tv set (esp. ntsc crt) sucks. << NTSC was the worst
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> that big ass square that's flat? << Great monitor
punkbot: BingoBoingo: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
ninjashogun: Okay, BingoBoingo, I accept that I am to treat you as drunk 100% of the time. In fact I will extend the same courtesy to anyone else here who acts like they need it.
ninjashogun: anyway other than if you guys talk shit about me I don't hang out here anymore. (as you might have noticed.)
ninjashogun: I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: But you jsut addressed me. Trustrapist!!! Stranger Danger!!!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wasn't flat. (until the very last incarnations.) cylindric. << Flat square one was nice.
assbot: Deed 3eriHWDx | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell punkman Thank you for doing deedbot right.
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BingoBoingo: Or am I the only person who finds fish tastiest straight out of the water
cazalla: ninjashogun> Okay, BingoBoingo, I accept that I am to treat you as drunk 100% of the time. <<< don't forget me!
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You swore "no drink" november, beer isn't drink
cazalla: i didn't even last a day, or another day after that
cazalla: and the OCD means i cannot try again until Dec 1st
aspho: thx, great work with the new real foundation btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25929 @ 0.00074981 = 19.4418 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01438 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 130 more bundles.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16521 @ 0.00074613 = 12.3268 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9759 @ 0.00074163 = 7.2376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00074123 = 12.4527 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol so pankkake got butthurt because we don't like systemd, decided bitcoin "wouldn't have worked anyway" ? that's some pretty good fatlogic right there.
bounce: where'd that come from?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo:. << Generally the way this work in US [...] << yup, exactly that.
mircea_popescu: decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us <<< they happen to be the only people who have an actual something to do, and so aren't quite as motivated to politics by the gnawing existential void that pushes the paper pushers.
jurov: sigh...you yanks and canucks insist to test only when i am afk
jurov: is there anyone around who can test btc-dev mailing list around CET working time?
jurov: just check if it works with various email clients
jurov: if you send signed message as described, ti should appear even without registration
jurov: i just found bug that has bit ben_vulpes, he was the first one who sent message from email actually matching his gpg pubkey :)
jurov: i did not understood mailman code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00072752 = 19.6067 BTC [-]
punkman: jurov, I just sent a mail to the list
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bounce rummages in the pockets for some spare change to snap this thing up without the loans
jurov: still not going through... brb later
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't maintain intellectual dominance without political dominance, you can't maintain political dominance without social hierarchy. the us decided to scrap hierarchy. of fucking course it can no longer have intelligent people working in its workshops, whatever they may be.
mircea_popescu: because france had a king and italy did not, it was able to import glassworks from france (and silk from china) and become a major producer, running it out of the market.
mircea_popescu: back when shooting artillery upon the strikers was the publicly acceptable approach, ford and carnegie could dominate whole industries, and build the capital that's still to this day supporting us spending, that "full faith and credit".
mircea_popescu: once that was no longer the approach, the us was no longer noteworthy.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. destructuring society -> deskilling economy.
mircea_popescu: has entirely nothing to do with technology, as tardpedia emptily claims.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the bulk of they shipped in are "luxury workers", which is to say cocksuckers.
mircea_popescu: seaworthy vessels work at going places ; sinking vessels work at staying afloat.
mircea_popescu: my proposition is that this is entirely besides the point.
mircea_popescu: suppose out of a hundred people, ninety-seven don't matter. ever. irrespective of any consideration, if god strikes them down tomorrow nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: allowing this as a fact : that at point A the three that mattered used thirty others to dance the ramma-butta, whereas at point B the three that mattered simply stayed indoors and piled items on top of other items is not what's relevant.
mircea_popescu: whether at point A the three were motivated to work and at point B they were not is the clou of the matter.
bounce: quite a few rilly smrt people populating silly valley. they produce things like... "social networks" and many many cookie-cutter technology companies. it doesn't seem that h1b folks, no matter how smart or many, can hope to seriously dent that dominion
mircea_popescu: and so : technology has nothing to do with it. if the technology is "have 10 people do dances" or if the technology is "stay indoors and pile things"
mircea_popescu: what matters is : are you going to do it or aren't you.
mircea_popescu: to better understand this, consider doped uranium. some doped uranium is shaped in pellets, other doped uranium is shaped in bars. the only thing that actually matters is whether the uranium is doped with radioactive material or not.
bounce: druuuugs are baaaad, hmkay
bounce: we're talking about upping the u238 content, wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: neither. for the purpose of the above, "doped uranium" = natural uranium ore. inert uranium with traces of radioactive uranium.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and in the sense that all uranium decays, all people are people and matter.
bounce: 4.4e9 years for u238, 7e8 for u235
bounce: meaning that it's all new by now.
mircea_popescu: to try and heal this utterly scattered conversation : if you properly ignore most of society, the whole shebang depends on keeping the few that matter huming. if they hum too slow it cools and dies entirely. if they hum too fast it explodes, and you get a golden age.
mircea_popescu: in any case, whatever they need they get, and that means you'll issue hb1 visas to obedient indians if those are the only obedient people to be found.
mircea_popescu: harkens back to the entire "how come 300 milion usians living in the best world ever don't produce about 500 renoirs a year ?"
bounce: that's an easy one to shoot down. if they need that they're no good themselves and you need better people who matter no matter what.
mircea_popescu: exactly how a plate of uranium glass may glow under uv light, but won't warm anything much.
bounce: leaders that can't lead lead to nowhere. if you can't anything but the meekest you're no good as a leader.
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mircea_popescu: let's not confuse things. leaders are leaders, adonis-18
bounce: it still stinks of running entirely on chumps, so all we got is a chumpatron. how does that matter?
bounce: I think we started out trying for find some sort of raison d'etre for a steady stream of h1b-grantees, didn't we?
mircea_popescu: i have a computer here, it runs this irc session. right next to it, i have a wooden box. it is ALSO MADE OF MOLECULES. it runs nothing. they form a society of the items in my house. they're all molecules. i wouldn't fucking notice if the entire fucking wooden box went away.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help me if someone took away a single germanium atom.
mircea_popescu: so now : all these run entirely on quantum mechanics. the box and the cpu. this is directly equivalent to saying "stinks of running entirely on chumps, chumpatron". so ?
mircea_popescu: "if you stab him, does he not bleed" === "all molecules run on qm"
bounce: inasmuch that a random motor block conducts electricity. sure, but that's not really the point of it being shaped like a motor.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that "all things that are carry purpose equally so" is fallacious, and for that matter gnoseosocialism!
punkman: the ssh integration seems nice, but can be hacked together on earlier version I think
punkman: " The file "secring.gpg" is not anymore used to store the secretkeys." << so where did they put them?
bounce: shattered argument is shattered. also, brb gotta hug a tree.
bounce: the cloud maybe? (see new --extra-safe-honest flag)
punkman: "Creation of X.509 certificates has been improved. It is now also possible to export them directly in PKCS#8 and PEM format for use on TLS servers." << anyone here tried to generate ssl certs with GPG yet?
bounce: that'd be single-atom germanium 'tors. those wily soviets, keeping it secret all this time!
mircea_popescu: punkbot asciilifeform stop you two. we are NOT reimplementing gpg before bitcoind is done.
bounce generated a gpg key with openssl once. because gpg won't generate dsa keys != 1024 bits
bounce: oh, so no matter what you do gpg now auto-starts an agent.
mircea_popescu: bounce you understand this serves no practical purpose yes ?
bounce: er, AIUI it ought to work just fine most of the time, but I did it more to see if I could do it than anything else.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8606 @ 0.00072923 = 6.2758 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: for one thing, dsa/elgamal uses dsa key for signing not encryption. for the other, the symmetric block cypher is not so very large anyway/
assbot: CiteSeerX — Generating ElGamal signatures without knowing the secret key
bounce: even with the shorter key the symmetric cipher is thought to be stronger than the asymmetric cipher
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bounce anyway, i don't think we've really managed to talk of the same thing, so i guess this entire quesiton will come back in teh futures.
bounce: multiple times possibly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the thinkers : i'm pretty sure the symmetric cypher is currently the weakest link in our entire crypto stack.
mircea_popescu: which is why its replacement figured majorily in the prev discussion of bringing pgp implementation up to snuff
bounce: what're your indications for this?
bounce: oh. because socialism. right.
bounce: the gn00 guys also socialist. poettering not so much, though. why u no liek systemd?
bounce: the section between r and t in my dictionary
bounce: only because that other guy's name doesn't. doesn't make for a winning argument though.
bounce: now how do I say "seelance, I keel yoo" in soviet russian?
bounce: not last I checked. my name doesn't start with an s either.
bounce: not that I recall. how so?
bounce: The Muppet Show: Sex and Violence (pilot)
bounce: ah, this pop culture thing. too newfangled for me, I'm afraid.
z33andO_o: I do not see this mentioned here, honeypot Silk Road 2 finally taken down by the FBI. No effect on dark net markets since it's market share was dvindling but it does mean the US government has managed to steal more BTC
assbot: Operator of Silk Road 2.0, Blake Benthall, arrested yesterday by FBI agents in San Francisco, CA
punkman: how much did they take now?
z33andO_o: We will just have to wait for some "news outlets" to tell us how much was in SR2 escrow at the time and how much this Benthall had personally (if they managed to steal his personal coins)
z33andO_o: As I understand it they got the SR1 wallet by recovering a deleted unencrypted version of it, who knows if he learnt from that
z33andO_o: Interesting: It is not just SR2, this is a coodinated. I took a brief look at the other darknet markets
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o you have to appreciate, wallets were originally unencrypted. but this was remedied many years ago, and before this thing got started.
bounce: LD50 of > 700k ppm at least.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00070232 = 7.7255 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct?
kakobrekla: >irc: Used by irc daemons. A statically allocated user is needed only because of a bug in ircd, which SETUID()s itself to a given UID on startup.
bounce: o_O what's the alternative, a dynamically allocated user?
kakobrekla: what's the alternative, ship gnu/linux with predefined users for all possible programs?
bounce: eg. freebsd packages will create users as needed
assbot: FBI — Operator of Silk Road 2.0 Website Charged in Manhattan Federal Court
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assbot: Congratulations to our colleagues /FBI for reaching 1M followers. /CIA, you have some work to do!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla thats not static :D << the alternative is actually something a la usb drive mess discussed a week ago or so
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct? <<< mmmmmmostly
punkman: is bdb used for anything other than the wallet?
bounce: "facebook user interface indistinguishable from facebook scams" -- and people keep on coming back
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu so its ok to ship with 'ircd' user and not 'www-data' user
kakobrekla: that will never work cause always idiots who will eat all margin possible
mircea_popescu: yeah, to have what to buy swarowsky encrusted buttdongs with
kakobrekla: buncha mining ops went down cause 1. too slow 2. margins too small
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assbot: Bitcoin is GREAT and SAFE, says, er, the Bitcoin Foundation • The Register
assbot: Silk Road 2.0 Seized, Blake Benthall Arrested | Qntra.net
assbot: Silk Road 2.0 Seized, Blake Benthall Arrested | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo wonders why they drag all of these motherfuckers to New York for charging
BingoBoingo: Almost like he's the aspersor Fuher or something.
ilikebitbet: i would love to see the expected winning amount in the confirmed bets list
kakobrekla: well id rather not write the current estimation that changes through time under 'btc out' column
punkman: maybe I should make the calculator work on windows
mike_c: ilikebitbet: that's actually being added to the bitbet analyzer on btcalpha, so you could check back there in a week or two.
kakobrekla: its sad i have no place to write that on bb itself. totally user unfriendly.
mike_c: i'm also against sarcasm.
kakobrekla: <mike_c> add it as a footnote < lucky i have an endless scroll
mike_c: oh.. that would be great trolling. footnotes at the bottom of an endless scroll :D
mike_c: buterin + bfl + sr2 + buttstamp..
rithm: the dope house or dope spot can be referred to as the trap or a trap
rithm: so drug dealing itself is ironically referred to as a trap
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 16:50:25; asciilifeform: 90% of my living expenses are not even payable in paper money.
rithm: or maybe that isn't irony at all
thestringpuller: it's not irony. whenever you get to the trap spot it's life or death man.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: so you can't use laundered money to pay expenses (i.e. mortgage?)
thestringpuller: but it would seem dealing BTC is similar to drug dealing inside the US
kakobrekla: all my expenses (the little that i have) are payable in paper money.
xiando: thestringpuller: Several US states claim that you need a money transmitter license to buy or sell BTC worth more than $300/year, search and you will find several cases of people being arrested for doing so. :-/ (not a joke)
thestringpuller: then you go from being asciilifeform the engineer, to asciilifeform the kingpin
thestringpuller: xiando: the concerning issue for me is the US OTC market will become as dangerous as drug dealing. If you need a duffelbag full of cash to complete the transaction, then I'd be more worried about rival gang members.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well it may not be to say, Tito Lopez, or Tyrone who live in the hood.
thestringpuller: peculiar. we may find cartels moving into the US otc space if that is the case
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you could always move to "the hood" and live under the radar.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: as jay-z said, "Gave my life to the block, figured I get shot 'least I die on top"
thestringpuller: If the day ever comes where you want to switch professions from engineer to gangsta, I'm totally down to ride or die with you. Lets just hope it never comes to that ;)
bounce: stick your fancy "research" paper in slideshare, so it's not really readable on screen and will only download on the very latest of browsers. share and enjoy!
bounce: you know, if the IRS says that virtual currencies aren't currencies, how can the SEC keep on claiming they are?
dub: what a goddamn disgraceful display of inbreeding that face is
bounce: ``Other than Garrett Keirns, none of the companies that WIRED reached out to this week have received SEC letters. But some of them also also want to work with the SEC to make these technologies more widely available.'' -- this is going to carry a heavy price.
thestringpuller: dub: read your comment first then opened the page. hilarity ensued by great means. thank you for that.
thestringpuller: how they convinced the masses to contribute millions...i just will never understand
thestringpuller: we just have to wait for this all to explode before the go away like magicaltux?
The20YearIRCloud: Met w/ bank today, loan program(s) look good they're continuing to offer us
The20YearIRCloud: Enough cash it looks like to continue normal operation and keep buying properties
mike_c: how many properties have you collected by now?
mike_c: quite the empire brewing.
The20YearIRCloud: Very happy with progress, want to get 2 more before end of year
The20YearIRCloud: no loans yet outside of LOC, we're starting to put loans on properties to buy more
thestringpuller: ah. so in theory shareholders are also part homeowners? :P
The20YearIRCloud: At any rate, good progress. Especially when you consider the apprasials came within close margin of what i had them valued at, cementing the fact that we're making equity on each renovation we do. No equity cashout spiral problems to think of, bank is getting their LTV rate and we're making $15k per property in fanciable equity. So, I am getting the
assbot: Richard Branson calls for tougher bitcoin rules
jurov: i'd try to submit to qntra but am out of wits
jurov: at least finally put ben_vulpes' email through
cazalla: fark, someone is doing a doxx on silkroad guy same time as i am, so my article is not a copy/pasta job
assbot: The Blake Benthall Complain, full text | Qntra.net
assbot: Bernthall Complaint Full Plaintext, Exhibits attached as images : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: <jurov> i'd try to submit to qntra but am out of wits << Story's already out so whenever your wits are ready do some editorial?
jurov: Local Bitcoin exchanges such as Independent Reserve, which launched last month, depend on a stable regulatory environment to maintain legitimacy.
jurov: ^ how can i comment on such nonsense?
jurov: maybe wehn i'll sleep on it
assbot: Who Is Blake Benthall AKA Defcon AKA Veteran? | Qntra.net
jurov: An Old Fart Doing Everything To Support Bitcoin.. Except For Buying It.
assbot: Lluvia de bitcoins sobre /r/argentina : argentina
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00068672 = 17.3053 BTC [-]
jurov: that would be good theme for oglaf
jurov: whole excerpt is hilarious
jurov: "i wont ramble here, have other stuff to do... to ramble on inkedin and twatter"
cazalla: this blake guy was reguarly active on github till sept 28th and then nothing
cazalla: asciilifeform, yes, that is what i mean :)
thestringpuller: "could you use it in a sentence" "asciilifeform: der wagen was decorated with a number of 'end the fed' stickers. apparently this is considered adequate crank bait."
cazalla: lol this guy worked at space x
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00068672 = 8.4467 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Crank bait also refers to a sort of fishing lure with parts that move in the water to increase the attention it commands of the fish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21352 @ 0.00068661 = 14.6605 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 This is to confirm
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punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 8 valid deeds for next bundle. (invalid: 1)
punkbot: mircea_popescu: 8 pending deeds | Last bundle 17 hours and 20 minutes ago
assbot: Bitcoin Address 148MpUsfJvgv5xGWvVqKLeVuuvy3pN8QGg
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 MiniGame (S.MG), October 201 - Pastebin.com
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
mircea_popescu: omg wtf gpg doesn't veriufy its own clearsigned output
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 MiniGame (S.MG), October 201 - Pastebin.com
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: cazalla omaigawd, traffic dropped. now you gotta fire someone!!
cazalla: well, BingoBoingo brought yesterdays traffic so if he can't maintain it for more than a day....
BingoBoingo: A, well. Hard to fire people when there isn't a payroll...
assbot: Re: [Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug
assbot: The guy who bought a Tesla with Bitcoin? It was the "DPR2" from Silk Road....pillar of industry : Buttcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00068807 = 17.4082 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00068794 = 7.361 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii <<< i hear berlin chicks had a lot of fun in '45.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: supay: Qntra takes a lot of things. <<< yeah, but not kidz! we do not take your kidz!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: If the day ever comes where you want to switch professions from engineer to gangsta, I'm totally down to ride or die with you. Lets just hope it never comes to that ;) <<< if you two do that, a film is guaranteed.
mircea_popescu: bounce: you know, if the IRS says that virtual currencies aren't currencies, how can the SEC keep on claiming they are? << you're new here aren't you.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta love how the us propaganda machine studiously omits to mention who this entire "sec letters!!11" trend is trying to immitate. totally works, boyz, srsly. cuz nobody knows anything, everyone gets his informations from wired.com.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: how they convinced the masses to contribute millions...i just will never understand <<< the same way they convinced the masses that russia invaded atlanta, georgia.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: proverbial cake and eating it too <<< and yet none of your renters seem to want free money ?!
mircea_popescu: jurov: ^ how can i comment on such nonsense? <<< vitriol.
Adlai: here, we see the financier in his natural habitat, conducting the daily post-accounting scrollback review
mircea_popescu: i need tougher regulation to be able to do mai business. also mary jo attached to my cock.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes time for bitcoin foundation to issue a statement that the only thing bitcoin needs is for politicians and other leeches to stfu and go away ?
Adlai hopes you submitted one or both requests to the BitLicense committee
mircea_popescu: Adlai waiting for them to prequalify via tits article first.
Adlai begins a slow-paced infinite brainstorm of how to monetize open source trading software
Adlai: participation in the brainstorm requires accepting into your heart the axiom that the market is a positive-sum game
mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.
mircea_popescu: the shortcut to this being, go work for a trader, write software to improve process.
mircea_popescu: the market may be positive or negative-sum, it all depends.
Adlai: these are rather narrow paths, though. a nice path enables many to walk abreast.
Adlai: it's some form of statistical farming
gernika: Visiting FB tomorrow. Anything you all want me to mention to Zuckerburg?
Adlai: the amount of software needed is much less relevant than its quality, which isn't correlated to man-months in any simple/linear fashion
Adlai: gernika: "I slept through your assembly talk, but everybody who attended said it sucked"
mircea_popescu: Adlai no, it's correlated with " go work for a trader, write software to improve process." in a simple, lienar fashion.
Adlai: damn you and your flawless logic
Adlai: social scientists HATE him!
Adlai: in primary school, we had "social studies" class... let's just call them that, and the members of this field - "social students"
Adlai: Q:"what do you do?" A:"i'm a career student" Q:"damn, how are the student loans hitting you?" A:"actually, i just got tenured"
Adlai: out of curiosity, in the brave new GPG economy, what's the use of claiming "This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx." ?
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> out of curiosity, in the brave new GPG economy, what's the use of claiming "This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx." ? << Basically to hurt the copyrastas
mircea_popescu: Adlai at the very least that i'll negrate you if you do ?
Adlai: that turned personal quite quickly
Adlai knows it's just a figure of speech
Adlai: negrating doesn't hurt anybody who's not in the WoT, and a fair amount (all?) of copyrasta economic activity is done outside of the WoT...
mircea_popescu: well, english does not have a proper impersonal pronoun.
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Adlai: well, english++ has "∀(violater) → negration"
mircea_popescu: the contemporary equivalent of "i'll send a bunch of rogues to stab you in the throat"
Adlai: how do you press charges against wot violators?
Adlai: negrating is more akin to merely filing them
Adlai has read "GPG Contracts" and "Complete Theory of Economics" already, although may be fuzzy on the details
mircea_popescu: centuries ago, the natural mode of administering justice was, club over head. the legal system was developed as a better alternative to this. so, if one was reachable by the courts, you'd sue. if not however, club->head.
mircea_popescu: this lasted until a year or two ago , and which point the wot became the legal system. at this point necessarily the previous, obsolete fiat cvasi-legal system became the club->head method.
mircea_popescu: so today, if one is in the wot, he gets neg'd. and if is not... club->head, according to what that means currently, ie, sued in a fiat court of "law".
BingoBoingo: Goes back to if there is an unauthorized Penguin edition of a nubbins' #B-A book. Penguin gets real sued.
Adlai: "outside the law" and "sue" now take on tiered meanings, with each transgression offering up a new avenue of redress. i like this.
Adlai: although still missing is a way of negrating people who aren't yet in the wot
mircea_popescu: well, exactly like there was missing a way to sue people in the western terrirories.
mircea_popescu: for as long as the place is a dump inhabited by mexicans and indians, its not really needed
Adlai: something like "I negrate the person known as ABC and/or XYZ, holder of passport number 123456789"
mircea_popescu: the ONLY way it can become something other than a dump is inextricably linked to getting the legal system, so.
dub: my god that gawker article is retarded
mircea_popescu: Adlai nothing keeps you from making that a deed right now.
dub: not sure i've read gawker before, its buzzfeed isnt it
Adlai hastily mutters something about the lack of proper impersonal pronouns
mircea_popescu: and since the b-a domain is so powerful, you'll prolly fuck up their google fu forever.
mircea_popescu: dub i dunno, what am i, the micromanaging tyrant of a cult ?
dub: praps in a month or two when noggin is operational
dub: split day/night weeks is like being on crack
Adlai: the deed system does seem like a step forwards from gribble-wot
Adlai: what exactly is your sleep schedule in such a week?
mircea_popescu: nanotube btw, give deeds.bitcoin-assets.com a spin sometime ? i think it may well be ready.
dub: wrangling internets per usual
dub: Adlai: its variable, 3 or 4 nights 0400-1000 balance trying to be useful during daylight
mircea_popescu: see, had you followed that bloomingdale's executive program you wouldn't have to work nights.
Adlai wonders when we'll start selecting for faster native garbage collection
Adlai: the phenotype is definitely out there
dub: then I'd be slumming on exec money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0006868 = 11.2979 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: is it based off something?
Adlai has been out of the ethereum loop for just about as long as it's existed
Adlai: oh, not some official infographic thingy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm going to put in on qntra. List the steps under it, as list you as the author so you get the shares for the text.
Adlai: it almost looked like a satire of some hypothetical nice tidy explanation of how ether flows about or whoknowswhattardation
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm only doing this because you said who ever wants can use. Will then be used to put you on the cunt raw
BingoBoingo: In other news picked up a new sharp object today for pencil sharpening and protecting the starfish against less than state level malefactors.
Adlai: and there i was, reading it as "squinter"
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BingoBoingo: I'm just supposed to keep his brain from breaking
decimation: asciilifeform: you raise a good point about the h1b whining. the real problem is: how do 'tech' companies manage to profitably 'employ' legions of unskilled workers tasked with doing nothing of use?
BingoBoingo: Human compilers might have had a brighter future is 68k stayed a thing
PeterL: speaking of visas, the group I work in is about 1/3rd immigrants, these are really smart people and the US is better off with them here.
BingoBoingo: Well, data being manipulated has to go somewhere so...
decimation: this strongly argues for 'modular' design
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> speaking of visas, the group I work in is about 1/3rd immigrants, these are really smart people and the US is better off with them here. << This was the case when I TA'd pharm school. No AMericans apparently want to study/teach med chem
PeterL: Don't get me wrong, the group still has plenty of smart Americans as well
decimation: PeterL: no doubt there are bright foreigners working in the us. I would suggest that they are here despite the existing immigration policy, not because of it
BingoBoingo: Right. The Usian profs, were profs part time and clinical pharmacists full time
PeterL: Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan
PeterL: decimation: you might be right. My employer (from what my coworkers tell me) has to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork to keep them here
BingoBoingo: PeterL> decimation: you might be right. My employer (from what my coworkers tell me) has to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork to keep them here << Grandpa pays the same $80/month for medicare part B
decimation: BingoBoingo: you hit the nail on the head. 'health insurance' is basically 'health welfare' now
PeterL: my opinion is that the us should loosen the borders and let more people in
PeterL: but I might be a bit biased, all my girlfriends before I was 20 were immigrants
decimation: PeterL: would you also allow each one to collect health welfare too?
decimation: Sure, let's print up some more bezzle, why not
PeterL: decimation no, I would get the government out of the healthcare business, but I am resigned that will never happen
danielpbarron: do away with immigration restrictions as well as welfare programs
BingoBoingo: The US immingration issue is best understood when you consider that most prospective immigrants come to flee more restrictive and more socialistoid states (e.g. India, China)
BingoBoingo remembers now why he tries to limit his sharp object purchases. Imma have to sand and refinish this desk soon...
BingoBoingo: And waiting seems to be the only solution to get my arm hair back
decimation: look, if usg got out of the money manipulation game, hard money came back, and folks had to get by on their own achievements, immigration wouldn't be an issue
PeterL: we could switch to building houses out of non-flamable materials?
decimation: asciilifeform: instead we have the 'fire brigade' who show up with a tank full of kerosene
PeterL: just fill your house with argon and live inside a spacesuit!
decimation: at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america'
BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch?
PeterL: asciilifeform: my sister, lives in NYC, complains about the homeless bums who piss on the sidewalk
decimation: heh I think usg still pays for highly-enriched uranium from soviet bombs
decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is a good point. usg is ineffective at enforcing whatever 'immigration policy' it creates anyway, that's a sideshow
decimation: worms come when they come, eat what they will
decimation: and on the other side it's used as a club to keep the paupers in their servitude
decimation: I'm dubious that there is much real coordination of these things, more just random entropy in various usg departments
decimation: yeah, if anything usg agents will do what the movies, newspapers, and tv tells them they should
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decimation: re: argon datacenter << I suspect dry nitrogen would be cheaper
BingoBoingo: <decimation> re: argon datacenter << I suspect dry nitrogen would be cheap << I suppose radon because heavy
decimation: yeah the most expensive part in any case is going to be air sealing
PeterL: you want something that will absorb heat, thus the cfc
PeterL: noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat
decimation: PeterL: I would suppose that the first step would be to use a fluid heat exchange cooling system
PeterL: didn't cray supercomputers use liquid cooling?
decimation: yeah the best part was the flourinert waterfall
PeterL: some of my coworker were involved in a project making a transformer fluid replacement last year
PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire)
cazalla: scoopbot, you gonna get the scoop or what pal
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is why i suggested small 'naval mines' with steel capsules in water pool. << plus side you can grow Tilapia further north
PeterL: cazalla: it only checks every five mins
decimation: yeah ideally one would locate the whole operation somewhere near a heat sink
assbot: Lake Source Cooling Home
decimation: yeah unless you have rtg's or something
decimation: no, but like all 'renewables' the energy is so widely distributed that it would require laughable physical plant
decimation: you could deploy them in strings off a buoy
PeterL: is this the NSA project after Cardano?
decimation: but you certainly do have truck with submarines!
PeterL: How many bitcoins for an old nuclear sub?
assbot: Australian government under pressure to hold submarine tender after eyeing Japan deal| Reuters
decimation: "Buying the vessels from Japan could threaten Abbott's hold on power at the next election, said Martin Hamilton-Smith, the defense and trade minister for the state of South Australia, which is home to 27,000 defense-related jobs including 3,000 in shipbuilding."
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decimation: it does let you 'jump to definition', auto-complete, etc.
Adlai: anything.el is a turd
Adlai: but sometimes it takes a tough turd to season a savory salmon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21910 @ 0.00068666 = 15.0447 BTC [-]
Adlai: well that [pump] descelated quickly
decimation: PeterL: I think nuke subs are generally unobtainable, but diesel-electric ~$100 million depending on what you are getting
decimation: if you want something modern and not a rusty bucket you are talking ~$1-2 bn and your money can't buy one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00068582 = 9.8758 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Buterin's Waterfall. : Bitcoin
Adlai .oO( Bitcoin is actually VERY lispy... the entire blockchain is code-as-data )
Adlai: decimation: i'd think that if you have that kind of money, you wouldn't be buying an entire sub anyways
decimation: my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872
decimation: Adlai: well, certainly not for your own use
Adlai: blueprint components are as fungible as the money used to commission them
mircea_popescu: PeterL: Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan <<< terrorist doesn't understand how obamacare works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: danielpbarron would make great fireman. holding a sign, 'do away with fire.' << he has a point. do away with borders and welfare. the latter will occur naturally once the first is done.
mircea_popescu: if the fiat state loses its alleged right to control geography, it loses.
decimation: the fiat state's bona fides in this matter are not exactly well established (controlling geography)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch? <<< nope, you have it exactly right. same thing, except one is run by fraudulent "real estate" developers and the other by fraudulent "recruiters".
mircea_popescu: decimation "you are guilty of having crossed an imaginary line in a particular manner"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: considering that folks are -still- grinding down soviet army installations for metals... << soviet military complex was objectively larger than us ever got tho. cheap plentiful raw materials.
decimation: well, it's one thing to have laws (silly or not), and it's another to lack the ability (or will) to enforce them
mircea_popescu: PeterL: noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat << gases are shit for sheer caloric capacity anyway. the reason you want technologica gases rather than plain argon is the compress-and-cool heat extraction process. works better on the hfcs than on random neon w/e.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire) << story of this business since its inception.
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mircea_popescu: lots of these domain "deals" are simple collusion, as it's in both parties interest to announce a high price.