Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans

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ben_vulpes: fluffypony: beauty? los angeles?
ben_vulpes: you must be out of your mind.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: first unrolled design on spartan... and the only one << wait which 'spartan' actually had room for unrolled sha2 ?
asciilifeform refrains from launching into rant re: how you can actually fit 10x more gates in fpga if you start 'cheating' by using secret data re: the internal layout, and how any system which offers this capability is actually telling lies when advertised with its highest-level intended abstractions as the correct ones.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00073341 = 23.6158 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: XC6SXL150
assbot: BitcoinStats
BingoBoingo: Well, old. From the days where scrypt was to many the anti-GPU pill, and delivered BTC ASIC were about a year away
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> decimation kinda what we're trying recently. << oh hey we're paying people nao? who's this "we" and hey jurov what's the story on an addy, eh?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform's looking for his rocket
asciilifeform doubts we have anything larger than a toy rocket here in this box
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to ride that - is welcome to...
ben_vulpes: *pfhsheeeeew*
ben_vulpes: ah, estes.
ben_vulpes was working on the big engine handling license for a bit
asciilifeform reads the logs and finds the very pertinent unix-on-z80 atrocity
asciilifeform: yes, no shortage of folks willing to ride toy rocket.
ben_vulpes: interesting thing about toy rockets
ben_vulpes: build your own exotica, be exempt from licensensing.
ben_vulpes: licensing*
ben_vulpes: buy exotica via mail order - must have license for such.
asciilifeform: afaik in usa one can even fly an airplane, below (100? kg) in mass, without license
ben_vulpes: this is similar to the canadian firearms protocol, where when during the process of acquisition they ask one to
ben_vulpes: "please list all people with whom you cohabitated or were in a relationship for the last two years so that we can ask them if you're going to go shoot them"
ben_vulpes: nevermind that the sane person will never answer that question in a way useful to the questioner.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: speaking of rockets and small arms, familiar with american invention, 'gyrojet' ?
asciilifeform: tiny rocket, ejected from what amounts to a flare pistol - goes through, e.g., a truck
ben_vulpes: vaguely
ben_vulpes: more interested in mems systems
ben_vulpes: <- hipster
asciilifeform: eh this was a vietnam-era mechanical thing.
ben_vulpes: micro elecro mechanical systems systems
ben_vulpes: i want mems-controlled aero surfaces in my projectiles
ben_vulpes: i am a child of my time
asciilifeform: there's a 'golden toilet' vendor claiming to be churning out the proverbial 'bullet that goes around corners' on precisely this principle
asciilifeform not involved with this
ben_vulpes: i find it hard to believe that corners can be turned with the control forces effected by mems systems
asciilifeform: depends on radius of turn
asciilifeform: (picture a 'question mark' shape. easy to keep turn radius wide if there is room)
ben_vulpes: corners attractive to purchasers in urban combat are unrealistic
ben_vulpes: trajectory tweaks for ballistics or sniper action, though...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 20000 @ 0.00011 = 2.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Level 2: 0 via 1 connections lol da fuck does that work
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> Beauty << looking for beauty in la ? what, like on the street ?! you want beauty, go to burbank.
BingoBoingo: .status
punkbot: BingoBoingo: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 2 hours and 31 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> nevermind that the sane person will never answer that question in a way useful to the questioner. << yeah but then if they get in an altercation with that person later not answering usefully usually makes the difference between a dismissed case and a felony convicion.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: speaking of rockets and small arms, familiar with american invention, 'gyrojet' ? <<< isn't this really that french invention ? the rocket powered grenade that regularly gets stopped in branches etc and kills the shooter ?
assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00071871 = 16.0632 BTC [-]
assbot: WarOfLife (S.WOL), October 2014 Statement (closing) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: another one bites the dust
BingoBoingo: Fall drama season arrives!
BingoBoingo: First atc, then X-BT, nao WoL
ben_vulpes: oh first atc?
ben_vulpes: coulda sworn something died before that
BingoBoingo: Prolly was something forgettable
ben_vulpes: clearly nothing of import
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00072451 = 9.1288 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well these'd be the clean closures
mircea_popescu: there's all the moolah mcxnow breakoutgaming moopay etc blowups
mircea_popescu: there's all the unannounced ethereum etc deaths,
mircea_popescu: piles of stuff.
assbot: Disney Patents "Piracy Free" Search Engine |
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00073602 = 7.8018 BTC [+]
assbot: War of Life Closing |
dub: what a scam
mircea_popescu: the worst.
cazalla: reskin as nigs vs whites
dub: !t s.wol mp
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
dub: !t mp s.wol
assbot: [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000086 / 0.000086 / 0.000086 (2 shares, 0.00 BTC)
dub: ouchies for whoever bought at 8600
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell hanbot you've been awarded some s.qntr shares for your contributions to qntra as per talk to jurov
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell devthedev you've been awarded some s.qntr shares for your contributions to qntra as per talk to jurov
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you've been awarded some s.qntr shares for your contributions to qntra as per talk to jurov
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell you've been awarded some s.qntr shares for your contributions to qntra as per talk to jurov
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski you've been awarded some s.qntr shares for your contributions to qntra as per talk to jurov
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE you've been awarded some s.qntr shares for your contributions to qntra as per talk to jurov
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: teh p's have it huh.
BingoBoingo: So many p's and to think diametric and decimation are hard to tell apart
BingoBoingo: .status
punkbot: BingoBoingo: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 4 hours and 50 minutes ago
BingoBoingo: Tipping service update feat Weev (who was suspended from twitter nao)
assbot: weev: Gratipay allowed its SJW employee to stop my donations in secret.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo isn't this the guy with the totally failed pseudo-kiclstarter max keiser campaign thing ?
BingoBoingo: The Troll with the "Hedge Fund"
mircea_popescu: that was so much lulz. what was it called, jumpkick ? startderp ?
BingoBoingo: Troll llc.
BingoBoingo: !s sad and disappoint
mircea_popescu: no the "platform"
cazalla: startjoin
mircea_popescu: !s startjoin
assbot: User comments around the project: TRO LLC
BingoBoingo: Ah, those comments
mircea_popescu: it did deliver ze mucho lulz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is all for me. tomorrow!
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: bag girl did she survive ;;8ball
Vexual: ;;8ball
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
Vexual: count the teeth make th ebet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14976 @ 0.00074343 = 11.1336 BTC [+]
punkman: BingoBoingo: you rascal, triggered another bug in bot with your last two deeds
jurov: hi all, i received the s.qntr shares, will start distributing them, or the receipts later today
BingoBoingo: Thank you jurov
punkman: bug fixed 3 hours ago by upstream, living on the edge!
punkman: is the website snappy for everyone?
BingoBoingo: Website hides the secret "if bingo then fuck you" code that drives the backend
punkman: this thing got so many threads and subprocesses, I wonder what new and exciting breakage tomorrow will bring
BingoBoingo: punkbot: Tomorrow you find an SHA collision
assbot: EPIC 2014: recalling a decade-old imagining of the media’s future | Ars Technica
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00074539 = 12.0753 BTC [+]
cazalla: prefer the greyhounds to the cup tbh
BingoBoingo: !up phf
gabriel_laddel: !s deedbot language
gabriel_laddel: punkman: what language have you written deedbot in?
assbot: extempore/deedbundler · GitHub
punkman: you can grab the script under deedtools/ and sweep some of the unspent bundle txs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00074705 = 9.5996 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00074837 = 2.507 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27731 @ 0.00074615 = 20.6915 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20212 @ 0.00074155 = 14.9882 BTC [-]
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1uM6gZk7VBTWEKabZXK5EPcugt9dYijvc |
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 49 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <jurov> hi all, i received the s.qntr shares, will start distributing them, or the receipts later today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00074512 = 12.2945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00074572 = 4.5489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00074541 = 10.1376 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu nope, not the french one. gyrojet went out of print because, iirc, of misfires.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: WOL << RIP.
asciilifeform: it was neato.
assbot: China Builds Anti-Drone Laser Tech | TechCrunch
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:14; asciilifeform: let's do gedankenexperiment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26825 @ 0.00074131 = 19.8856 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6: << where's the other stuff?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00074281 = 17.2332 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00074133 = 21.0167 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13255 @ 0.00074371 = 9.8579 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: dub:ouchies for whoever bought at 8600 << nobody did. fabian was testing and bought 1 share of everything.
FabianB: not of s.wol
mike_c: you sure? it was at the same time and only 1 share.
mike_c: in any case, it was only 1-2 shares.
ThickAsThieves: I'm holding 72277 S.WOL purchased at 0.00004006
ThickAsThieves: plus a boatload of ATCs
ThickAsThieves: good times
chetty: holding usually wins in mpex
mike_c: yeah, we didn't do each other any favors.
ThickAsThieves: not anymore
mike_c: i've got boats of atc too
ThickAsThieves: curse of pankkake
mike_c: anyway, sorry WoL sucked.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12685 @ 0.00074266 = 9.4206 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure we got to learn whether it sucked
ThickAsThieves: but if theres any desire to kill it, it should of course be killed
mike_c: the market (consumers) certainly voted
ThickAsThieves: did consumers know it existed?
mike_c: like any business, some did. and they didn't want to play. many additions/changes were made, with no effect.
ThickAsThieves: yeah it was tricky sell
ThickAsThieves: maybe would be better encompassed in a broader gaming site
mike_c: thing is, if you market a little and get a little, you market more. if you market a little and get nothing..
mike_c: various rounds of improvements & marketing were tried
ThickAsThieves: mike_c youre probably right, but to be annoying, it's also possible your initial set of bettors werent your target market
chetty: frankly I didnt have the patience for it, I played a couple times but kept forgetting to check back
ThickAsThieves: i dont play games
ThickAsThieves: but i tried it
ThickAsThieves: then stopped cuz well of course
ThickAsThieves: probly most of us dont play bitgames
mike_c: i don't know what the right answer is, and I am not a master marketer. but if the games had been more fun there would have been more traction than 0.
chetty: << not much on straight gambling
ThickAsThieves: then my final crit would be that maybe it shouldnt have IPOd at all
mike_c: that is possible
ThickAsThieves: maybe swol can sell it?
mike_c: "it"?
ThickAsThieves: the game
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00074266 = 10.62 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: sell it to satoshicasino or whaetver
mike_c: meh. "how much will you pay me for this game nobody likes"
ThickAsThieves: one man's trash
mike_c: maybe they'll give me ATC for it ;)
ThickAsThieves: i'll give you all my atc for it
ThickAsThieves: it's only fair
kakobrekla: sorry to hear mike_c :\
mike_c: thanks. them's the breaks.
ThickAsThieves: actually this is a question
ThickAsThieves: is the game not an asset of SWOL's?
mike_c: asset valued at 0, yes.
ThickAsThieves: everything never sold is 0
ThickAsThieves: in that sense
kakobrekla: idk whats up with buttcoins users but my take is that btcusd chumpatroning takes 90%+ of the cake in 'services' category
ThickAsThieves: certainly its value is higher than 0
mike_c: not sure i agree, but say its value is 1 btc. how much would it cost to sell it?
kakobrekla: btcfiat i will correct myself.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21138 @ 0.00074491 = 15.7459 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i dont think either of those values is known
ThickAsThieves: but you da boss
punkman: mike_c: was thinking of playing some WoL, just my luck :P
punkman: so did everyone drop out of the btc games too?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1462 @ 0.0007484 = 1.0942 BTC [+]
mike_c: yeah. 0 bets on last 4 weekly games.
mike_c: <+kakobrekla> idk whats up with buttcoins users but my take is that btcusd chumpatroning takes 90%+ of the cake in 'services' category << I can't think of any examples to refute this.
mike_c: now that JD is gone
kakobrekla: the parrot.
kakobrekla: it is dead.
assbot: Deed HEvYcqtx | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkman: I'm making a series of puzzles, this one is not very good, checking difficulty
punkman: help me test
FabianB: <-- are they trying to market their own fork of closed-source namecoin?
assbot: KSI Technology | Guardtime
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35907 @ 0.00074124 = 26.6157 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: updated. jurov: any word on the turdatron?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00074061 = 14.8492 BTC [-]
Pierre_Rochard: I’m writing up bitcoin accounting software, do y’all have any feature requests?
assbot: NakamotoInstitute/pacioli · GitHub
chetty: Pierre_Rochard, some good verifyable encryption, like you can use your own pgp key or something to cover any stored files
punkbot: nubbins`: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
nubbins`: right on
nubbins`: expected deed id: 62Mg7bxwiWUSHFzytWMyDsLdDUKRDnsF4MoJbsMNFKcL
nubbins`: expected public address: 18puZUqAxbErt5V92xCr1DaDYgnoRmkmhr
nubbins` crosses fingers
Pierre_Rochard: chetty: that’s reasonable, though only archived ‘source documents’ could be encrypted with PGP without really hurting performance. The other accounting records would use postgresql’s built in encryption features:
assbot: PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.3: Encryption Options
Pierre_Rochard: chetty: keep in mind, you would host the database yourself, ideally on localhost without exposing it to the internet
punkman: nubbins`: expected deed id: 62Mg7bxwiWUSHFzytWMyDsLdDUKRDnsF4MoJbsMNFKcL << that can't be right
nubbins`: nod, checking now
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1AKLFcJbTfFJzVyqdEc2jrZnWNBuAQc4yt |
punkman: I guess hex string used where you need byte string
nubbins`: yeah, if i pull the hex down via json it verifies ok
joecool: what is this? is there documentation on it yet?
nubbins`: i'm sure it's something else to do with line endings
assbot: The Underhanded C Contest
nubbins`: punkman: yeah, verified it's a line ending issue
nubbins`: my local file has \n, but if i grab the raw deed from pastebin / dpaste via curl and save it to a file, it's all \r\n
nubbins`: but if i pipe it to my clipboard instead of using curl -o, and then paste into a new text file, it preserves \n
nubbins`: so... shrug.
punkman: that id was too long though
punkman: oh wait, my bad
nubbins`: just a straight-up shasum
nubbins` scratches chin
nubbins`: so i guess my verification/prediction util should convert any \n to \r\n
asciilifeform: underhanded c contest << and yes, that's a brand-new one!
jurov: ben_vulpes, asciilifeform: it should accept patches/sigs as described in
jurov: just db output is missing
jurov: but now i need to sort out s.wol first
asciilifeform: db output ?
jurov: the TODO links
punkman: nubbins`: hmm same here, so does dpaste convert to CRLF?
punkbot: nubbins`: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
asciilifeform: 'There were a few serialization tricks. Submitter Arthur O’Dwyer writes usernames and IDs into a string' - from last year's winner.
nubbins`: punkman i have nfi. like i said, i get different results when i do curl -o vs curl | pbcopy
asciilifeform: 'Ti am pleased to learn that o'dwyer is alive. he, or at least a fellow by very same name, and i, went to school together.
nubbins`: almost makes me wonder if curl is doing it :0
punkman: tried with wget/curl, both gave me CRLF
nubbins`: didja try piping it into a pastebin/clipboard util?
asciilifeform: ' todo links?
nubbins`: and then pasting into text editor
punkman: yeah got LF then
jurov: asciilifeform: on the listinf/btc-dev there will be links to list with accepted patches and their signatures
nubbins`: strange hey?
asciilifeform: jurov: does that mean we have a maintainer?
nubbins`: curl > output.txt also preserves CRLF
jurov: asciilifeform: i mean, accepted by turdatron . that does not mean they are valid in any sense
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> .deed <<< expecting deed id AF1zMmjkgvSVLM5dmTZH3hqndeHpG1KukwYahkhcSsj6 and public address 14GVvUrtrNvszwKEr9Qnqevmuy3RNHA3yF
jurov: *sigh* if s.wol paid out dividends and then immediately vanished, it would be so much easier
jurov: now it just one balance thither, another yonder.. as susual on mpex
assbot: The Underhanded C Contest » 2014 » September
nubbins`: punkman see above ^^
assbot: Deed AF1zMmjk | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
nubbins`: assuming no other deeds get submitted, address should match up as well
punkman: punkbot, status
punkbot: punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 31 minutes ago
punkman: btw, punkbot will now announce additions/removals from trust list
nubbins`: nice
jurov: ;;rate punkman -10 test :DDDD
nubbins`: tool for verifying submitted deeds:
assbot: checkdeed.js -
nubbins`: tool for predicting deed ID of clearsigned file:
assbot: processdeed.js -
nubbins`: joecool you wanted documentation, see above ;)
punkman: nubbins`, here's how I do it for raw bundles, also checks blockchain
assbot: deedbundler/ at master · extempore/deedbundler · GitHub
nubbins`: handy deed utils
nubbins`: !s deed utils
nubbins`: shrug, :D
nubbins`: punkman this thing is coming together :D
[]bot: Bet created: "Eric Frein to receive death sentence"
[]bot: Unable to get details for bet 1062: invalid character '<' looking for beginning of value
punkman: wasn't that bet created a few days ago
kakobrekla: yes, someone requested to make a custom rss feed for []bot only for it not to be used
kakobrekla: (its still using twitter and i just pushed some nonsense there)
kakobrekla: fuck you to anyone who mentions rss again.
punkman: kakobrekla: what's the custom rss URL, maybe it'd be useful for
kakobrekla: you mentioned rss.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8309 @ 0.0007433 = 6.1761 BTC [+]
assbot: U.S. gene patents: Patient care stymied in Canada, hospital claims - Health - CBC News
nubbins`: <+punkbot> Bundled 1 deed | << it works!
assbot: Bundle 14GVvUrt | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: Такого как Путин / One Like Putin, English Subs - YouTube
jurov invites asciilifeform to dance
jurov: o/
jurov: \o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00074028 = 11.1042 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: speaking of Putin, if anyone doesnt know of, check out Rasputin.
thestringpuller: Grigori?
thestringpuller: ;;google Grigori Rasputin
gribble: Grigori Rasputin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Rasputin - Biography - Religious Figure - <>; Grigory Rasputin - Russiapedia - <>
joecool: rastafarian putin
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 14GVvUrtrNvszwKEr9Qnqevmuy3RNHA3yF |
nubbins`: joecool i did this once
nubbins`: can't find original, here's a lo-res copy
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
jurov: Okay, it turns out the balance changes were just cancelled orders and S.WOL balance did not vanish yet
jurov: so i can move on to s.qntr writers
jurov: coinbr users, auth with gribble and claim here or PM me your username
jurov: will be processed in FIFO manner
jurov: BingoBoingo ^
jurov: cazalla peterl PinkPosixPXE ^
thestringpuller: jurov: BingoBoingo submitted a deed. check logs.
jurov: so we'll let our lawyers talk, okay
punkbot: nubbins`: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
nubbins`: better late than never
thestringpuller: nubbins`: did the poster ever leave canada? I tracked it last night and it said "scanned"
nubbins`: i'll look into it :)
nubbins`: asciilifeform in the meantime it looks like i fucked up the dates in this contract
kakobrekla: (Darwin) < got that right.
jurov: thestringpuller BingoBoingo: transferred
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1DiTPHSU9ztLsLvYeT9qTqB9n4vJUrPHZU |
assbot: Bitcoin Adds New Flavors to Prediction Markets
kakobrekla: >Perhaps the most common brand is Predictious. It takes pride as the premier Bitcoin prediction market that requires bettors to sign in using a Google account.
mike_c: they should change their name to firstbestbitcoincasino.
kakobrekla: 000000001firstbestbitcoincasino
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00073914 = 13.8958 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: text is weird but at least bitbet has the crown on the .jpg
mike_c: if you put the word 'premier' on the homepage you would have won the text too.
kakobrekla still learning.
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 327.32, Best ask: 327.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.58000, Last trade: 327.98, 24 hour volume: 10636.65677201, 24 hour low: 322.0, 24 hour high: 333.99, 24 hour vwap: 328.637453091
punkman: "During her rise to fame DePol insured her legs for $100,000 after which newspapers claimed Morlacchi was 'more valuable than Kentucky'."
assbot: Giuseppina Morlacchi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
punkman: !up growth
punkman: hope it's benign
assbot: Ted Baker loses £5m after employee steals seven tonnes of clothes - Telegraph
punkman: that article delivers
punkman: "NODL had spotted losses after he joined the company in 2003, but had mistakenly put them down to flaws in its stock control system."
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013638 / 0.00014 (3911 shares, 0.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013638 / 0.00014 (3911 shares, 0.53 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013638 / 0.00014 (3911 shares, 0.53 BTC)
thestringpuller: whoa it's moving
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
ben_vulpes: that's the oddest damn donation mechanism i've seen in my life.
punkman: ben_vulpes: heh
punkman: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00049 / 0.00049 / 0.00049 (8 shares, 0.00 BTC)
jurov just learned of "openssl smime" ...truly a kitchen sink, this
mircea_popescu: <punkman> "newspapers claimed Morlacchi was 'more valuable than Kentucky'. << well, at that time they were!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the clothes ?!
kakobrekla: punkman getting ready to dump ? ><
kakobrekla: also unfortunate name, now you need to be tabbed twice.
mircea_popescu: very much so. it pains me to tab twice.
punkman: maybe I should be 1punkman
mircea_popescu: maybe just 1punk
mircea_popescu: you know punk and man form an oxymoron btw ?
bounce: 1p. cheap bugger.
punkman: bot's alt-name is dpbot, can switch
mircea_popescu: good idea.
kakobrekla: deep penetration bot?
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, the same naming convention as for websites (distinct first two letters) works here, too.
punkman: deep, double, dry, take your pick
kakobrekla: daniel p bot ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: what's the oxymoron
mircea_popescu: a punk is a young boy used (generally against his will) for the sexual gratification of adult males.
mircea_popescu: !up kiwi-test-user
mircea_popescu: punkman "The punk rolled up his big blue eyes And said to the jocker, “Sandy,"
assbot: Big Rock Candy Mountain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bounce: I thought it had to do with mohawks and guitars and things
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: eeexactly.
kakobrekla: why not 'deedbot' anyway?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13534 @ 0.00073678 = 9.9716 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: rapidssl transmits certificates in the clear via email
mircea_popescu: !up cb_bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what, that is a problem ? o.O
ben_vulpes: i don't even know any more
danielpbarron: ;;later tell punkman <+punkman> bot's alt-name is dpbot, can switch << please do
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: double penetration bot?
kakobrekla: sorta on topic, i tried to get a box at OVH and when they asked for dox, i asked for pgp. after about 10 days, i got a reply : You can upload the documents to Dropbox or google Docs and password protect them. And provide us with the password. And we will be able to validate your account.
kakobrekla: gtfo.
punkman: speaking of young boys
assbot: dpaste: 383BH45
kakobrekla: lol!!
mike_c: kakobrekla: where does bitbet live now? or is it state secret?
danielpbarron: and by please do I mean please do not call it dpb*
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol. nice going!
jurov: punkman you need to be tabbed twice. << i suggest change to spunkman
mircea_popescu: then it needs to be stabbed like fifty times.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00073624 = 11.1908 BTC [-]
bounce: wtf does ovh even demand dox at all? isn't money enough these days?
punkman: lots of hosting companies do that
punkman: in case you are a haxx0r or whatever
jurov: yes they cover their ass if you start doing sth illegal
kakobrekla: mike_c actually im going to be moving it tonight it seems atm still on hetzner, new home is as anyone with the public ip address can figure out
punkman: "100% uptime, GUARANTEED!"
punkman: it must be good
bounce: that site takes about five seconds to go from blank page to something visible.
mircea_popescu: bounce money is nothing these days.
mike_c: which dc you going with?
kakobrekla: i picked this by recommendation, not by design
mike_c: amsterdam/phonix/ashburn?
mike_c: good choice. now just convince management you need to visit the servers often.
kakobrekla: lol why
mike_c: cuz amsterdam is fun!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00073385 = 15.9245 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: that'd help getting the hosting bill to 9k a month
punkman: you are not spending enough kako!
kakobrekla: jus need 8.5k really
jurov: plane tickets to buenos aires will help, too
mircea_popescu: how much is yurp to ba ? like 1k ?
kakobrekla: i dunno
mircea_popescu: also, anyone own aged/trusted accounts on BlackHatWorld TrafficPlanet WarriorForum DigitalPoint SitePoint they might wish to sell or share ?
mircea_popescu: gotta buy some media support for this qntra thing.
punkman: about 1.5k round-trip from Italy
punkman: yea
mircea_popescu: still, not so terrible.
bounce: what are those?
mircea_popescu: bounce forums where the derpy web kids gather.
kakobrekla: mp just wants more ddos
kakobrekla: "hey, its pageviews"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it totally was worth every dime i didn't pay, that ddos.
mircea_popescu: did you see the thanks from the capitol of fires i got ?
kakobrekla: dunno?
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu pastebin
assbot: 43 results for 'from:mircea_popescu pastebin' :
kakobrekla: everything but a pastebin link
assbot: Logged on 01-11-2014 19:28:51; mircea_popescu: <<< dude... this is just what i do. i save the people who save people from FIRE
mircea_popescu: no dude, now i have an in with brooklyn fd. if i ever got a fire problem in brooklyn ima call my man raffa direct.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works.
assbot: Really need to do laundry, but torn between "SLUT" and "COWBOY" settings...
mircea_popescu: it's really "cowboytoy"
mircea_popescu: which i suppose means cowgirl ?
punkman: what happened to fbi miner guy?
assbot: 7th Underhanded C Contest Going on Now |
bounce: is this proof the USG is completely filled with muppets?
mircea_popescu: bounce well it will be completely filled with cartoon characters soon
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o hey cool. you participating ?
bounce: yeah probably a slander on the muppets. sorry jim!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, just figured a writeup fits Qntra's demographic.
mircea_popescu: if anyone from b-a gets in there im buyin' you a beer.
BingoBoingo: Thanks, I just wanted to link to a relevant past challenge in the writeup
assbot: The Underhanded C Contest » 2007
mircea_popescu: punkman: this thing got so many threads and subprocesses, I wonder what new and exciting breakage tomorrow will bring
mircea_popescu: spoken like a true admin!
mircea_popescu: punkman is it stable nao ? i was planning to do a trilema write-up, is it time ?
punkman: maybe give it a few days
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there will be qntra writeup soon
assbot: Introducing the qntra pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: qntra writeup about punkbot
mircea_popescu: ah, talk to these other guys.
thestringpuller: i kno. it's on editor's desk now. just letting you know. ;)
mircea_popescu: ah cool.
mircea_popescu: i didn't get it originally :) good for you.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: maybe swol can sell it? <<< it definitely can. it's been publicly announced it closes, someone wants to make an offer they know where to make it.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: idk whats up with buttcoins users but my take is that btcusd chumpatroning takes 90%+ of the cake in 'services' category << just about right.
mircea_popescu: joecool: what is this? is there documentation on it yet? <<< you mean the deedbot ?
joecool: mircea_popescu: yes
joecool: i had been absent from here for a month or two, it is new
mircea_popescu: ah, its a deed registrar we've been trying to get going since summer. finally punkman made it work.
mircea_popescu: if you look through the logs the spec is a pastebin plastered like a dozen diff places.
nubbins`: ^ text of gpg-signed deed is used as passphrase for brainwallet, address of which is funded with pittance to prove document's existence at a particular point in time
joecool: oh so it has a reference in the blockchain too?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: punkman i have nfi. like i said, i get different results when i do curl -o vs curl | pbcopy << this sounds like os/x
mircea_popescu: joecool yes.
joecool: pretty cool
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: jurov: *sigh* if s.wol paid out dividends and then immediately vanished, it would be so much easier <<< that's how it will work ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu funny thing is, pbcopy is the only osx-specific tool, and it's the only one that preserves \n line endings
mircea_popescu: cause it knows it should see ?
mircea_popescu: all the unix stuff is "eh, whatevs"
thestringpuller: pbcopy is really annoying
thestringpuller: got a mac recently...and yea
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: fuck you to anyone who mentions rss again. <<< awww angry kako!!! of WRATH!
nubbins`: thestringpuller ehh it does what it should
nubbins`: joecool here's an example
assbot: Deed AF1zMmjk | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
nubbins`: if you sha256sum the text of that deed, you'll get AF1zMmjkgvSVLM5dmTZH3hqndeHpG1KukwYahkhcSsj6 as a result
nubbins`: that ^ is then used as a brainwallet passphrase to get the public address 14GVvUrtrNvszwKEr9Qnqevmuy3RNHA3yF and its associated private key
assbot: Bitcoin Address 14GVvUrtrNvszwKEr9Qnqevmuy3RNHA3yF
nubbins`: thereby proving the document's existence at the time of funding.
nubbins`: deeds 101
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >Perhaps the most common brand is Predictious. It takes pride as the premier Bitcoin prediction market that requires bettors to sign in using a Google account. <<< ahahahaha bejesus.
mircea_popescu: then again i shouldn't laugh, the aborigines also took pride in smearing shit all over their faces or w/e it is they did, when the bitcoin colonists found them.
mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013638 / 0.00014 (3911 shares, 0.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013638 / 0.00014 (3911 shares, 0.53 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013638 / 0.00014 (3911 shares, 0.53 BTC)
mircea_popescu: hehe check that out, trading!
mircea_popescu: jurov you got an addy for trasurer for bitcoin foundation published yet ? or how's that thing coming along ?
punkbot: mod6: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
nubbins`: use the genesis deed address for donations 8)
nubbins`: meantime, my 0-fee tx finally made it thru
assbot: Bitcoin Address 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64
mircea_popescu: tbh, punkman made a major innovation with the bot. that it responds when you call it, like
mircea_popescu: punkbot deed baby
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Error: 'baby' is not a valid http url.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty fucking great, because the special char space was getting crowded
mircea_popescu: i think this should be the standard bot calling procedure. say its name.
nubbins`: ;;it !sure ,,was
gribble: Error: "it" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: assbot t m s.qntr
nubbins`: gribble ticker
kakobrekla: %no *it #wasnt
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla omg whay the haet!
nubbins`: kako haetmoad OFF
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's gonna be the standard going forward.
jurov: mircea_popescu: on it
kakobrekla: its a good thing we can have as many standards as we need
bounce: fifteen
nubbins`: so many standards, so few substandards
nubbins`: perhaps we'll call this the superstandard, yes? set it apart a bit?
davout: nubbins`: just call it microsoft
kakobrekla: my standard is a standard one, you can use whatever.
nubbins`: i support the standard standards
nubbins`: on a go-forward basis
mike_c: as a consumer of kako's standards, I can vouch they are anything but standard
kakobrekla: my standards just got for-pay model.
nubbins`: erm, is that standard?
mircea_popescu: !Contre nous de la tyrannie l'étendard sanglant est levé!
kakobrekla: it is now.
mike_c: but they work, which is also not standard.
mircea_popescu: !up Zebetus
kakobrekla: mike_c idk i make em up on spot :|
mircea_popescu: so they're more like spotdards ?
kakobrekla: well they are standard for me
mircea_popescu: try making them on the stan next time.
kakobrekla: so you can call em potato
kakobrekla: standard potato
kakobrekla: nice round n shit.
mircea_popescu: like a tomato.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: haha, I see you upped a friend of mine :)
bounce: my, isn't that nice. google slowly breaking stuff in browsers to push their own craptastic contraption with copious user friendlyness and vendor lock-in sauce
mircea_popescu: bounce strategy!
bounce is using pre-webkit opera now. not too happy everything is going webkit, just with shittier and shittier user interfaces wrapped around it.
nubbins`: bounce ever try the w3c browser
mircea_popescu: bounce makes two of us.
mircea_popescu: on both scores.
assbot: Amaya Home Page
kakobrekla: presto sux though.
bounce: years and years ago, and it didn't impress me with the w3c
assbot: New Bitcoin Deed System Launches |
jurov: 13EVfGFm2MYM8rFfz5n2pzJh6AznEh8126 will do?
bounce: how many man-years would it cost to come up with a decent web rendering engine these days?
mircea_popescu: bout two.
mike_c: new qntra share model: word_count - (footnotes * 100)
mircea_popescu: and ima bbl!
bounce: that sounds low
mike_c: news flash: news doesn't have footnotes.
kakobrekla: its not news
kakobrekla: its views and cumentary
kakobrekla: but i agree on big footnotes being big
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
jurov: mircea_popescu: or i can generate something like 1BTCFund but it 'll take a while
kakobrekla: especially when you explain with 4 words taking up 2 lines space
kakobrekla: but i can see it, mp having big cultural influence in this cult, weird bitbet doesnt have footnotes (yet)
kakobrekla: also has anyone ever done headnotes?
kakobrekla: maybe something like -3. this site is not for stupid, -2. ....
mike_c: hehe
assbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> A Crypto Challenge For The Telegram Developers
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1MXeLHi5CRAAkeoJqxFRzBwgMjg7LrLxsA |
jurov: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
nubbins`: jurov now gpg sign dat shit
nubbins`: and deed it up!
jurov: with the blablablas?
nubbins`: preferably replace the blablas with something that at least passes checksum
PeterL: !up scoopbot
jurov: the REFERENCES can't be replaced by definition.. why they must be there?
PeterL: is kakobrekla here?
PeterL: so scoopbot is ready (penguirker replacement), I suppose I need to talk to you about registering him in the chan?
punkman: PeterL: did you use irker too?
PeterL: no, it is a bot I made myself
kakobrekla: but does it work?
PeterL: yes
kakobrekla: is the syntax such that my great ass suggested?
kakobrekla: s/that/as
PeterL: huh?
kakobrekla: !s if you are going to do it
assbot: 10 results for 'if you are going to do it' :
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 02:27:17; kakobrekla: PeterL if you are going to do it, make the syntax 'New blog post on $sitename by $author: $url"
PeterL: oh, that. right now it is "new blog post on $sitename: $url"
kakobrekla: add the author?
PeterL: ok, I will do that now
kakobrekla: great
kakobrekla: once this works and if you are bored, add wordcount at the end of report and estimated reading time
bounce: ugh.
bounce was about to say something about making the notice shorter, but estimated reading time? ew!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00073187 = 12.8809 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: easier to make the call - click or not to click
mike_c: plus # of footnotes
bounce: no, it's complete bs. reading time does not depend on wordcount alone. or even taking word length into consideration.
kakobrekla: maybe
kakobrekla: on the other hand would work for qntra
kakobrekla: reading @ easy difficulty
bounce: so youse gots a difficulty estimator @ qntra?
PeterL: ok, now scoopbot should include the author.
PeterL: !up scoopbot
kakobrekla: but anyway a simplistic approach : estimate reading time by multiplying the word count by result of brainwallet test
jurov: ;;isup
gribble: is up
bounce: author, wordcount, footnote count would give some indication to make your own estimation
kakobrekla: whats footnote measure?
kakobrekla: nothing.
mike_c: reading time
kakobrekla: maybe the cultness of the article
bounce: if you don't want to hear the answer, you might as well not ask the question.
PeterL: would I be able to tell where the footnotes start from the blob of text in the rss feed?
jurov: is up but sloooow
kakobrekla: PeterL we just masturbating here
PeterL: my next task is to rework all scoopbot's commands to respond to his name
bounce: the entire article ends up in the rss feed?
PeterL: depends on the feed, I think?
kakobrekla: who knows, its rss
bounce: footnotes are a major break in reading flow, so they're quite influential for the overall reading user experience and therefore the total amount of time the user gets to waste going back and forth
bounce: to answer your
kakobrekla: anyway, we are measuring reading time, not comprehension time
bounce: question you didn't want answered
kakobrekla: if i give you 300 pages of easy text, you can not read it in 1 minutes
kakobrekla: no matter how easy it is
bounce: you're not measuring anything, you're making vague estimates on unsound assumptions
PinkPosixPXE: 01:27 #bitcoin-assets: <+mircea_popescu> ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE you've been awarded some s.qntr shares for your contributions to qntra as per talk to jurov << Thanks for adding it to the exchange and doling out some shares, and thanks as well jurov :)
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: mircea_popescu: we need some default agreement for shares that don't get claimed
jurov: i propose if they don't get claimed in 14 days, then they get loaned to coinbr.
jurov: and after that, shares+dividends will be delivered after 14 days of the request
jurov: er.. in 14days of the request
jurov: now, what with the treasurer stuff? i'll just sign in without the references.
PinkPosixPXE: I've been meaning to chat more on here about assisting with some of the bitcoin dev and testing work I've been watching go on, but I've been slammed with projects, I have too many projects/hobbies I'm beginning to think. Either way, I wrote up an install_bitcoin script that takes into account dependency issues for certain versoins of debian and ubuntu.. not sure if anyone would find it useful,
PinkPosixPXE: mod6 expressed interest, and I set it up after running into issues on one of my instances, and then tested it across a vagrant+virtualbox testing environment with a few debian and ubuntu distros.
kakobrekla: PinkPosixPXE ditch the bad hobbies
mike_c: sounds like a good addition to wiki.b-a
kakobrekla: wiki , yes, as stan pointed out, needs work.
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I can point out several pages where people complain about hte dependency issues, and so I thought 'well this script would fix them all' then idiots don't go using berklydb/bdb 5.3 or another versoin that isn't wallet or blockchain storage compatible
punkman: would qntra like to sponsor a WP plugin that accepts signed posts and puts them in editor's queue?
punkman: cazalla, ^
The20YearIRCloud: Looks like we'll close on our next bank funding round this week
jurov: punkman i can create another mailing list for that
PinkPosixPXE: kakobrekla: well it's all that + full time syseng work.. so .. been trying to find time and get rid of the unimportant ones
punkman: jurov, ah yeah that might be a good way to duct-tape this together
The20YearIRCloud: Not sure if any of you are into rentalstarter...
kakobrekla: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 helps noobs
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user PinkPosixPXE has changed from 1 to 1.
kakobrekla: its true
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00450000 / 0.00456986 / 0.00490800 (482 shares, 2.20267263 BTC), 7D: 0.00412527 / 0.00465236 / 0.00490998 (1567 shares, 7.29024029 BTC), 30D: 0.00400000 / 0.00451531 / 0.00509996 (4875 shares, 22.01212200 BTC)
PinkPosixPXE: I can also help you guys figure out the gpg git key signing if that's still a debacle or issue for you, but I'll have to ask more questions, and find out the scope/desires first, before we could dive into that. But I'm happy to help throw my extra cpu cycles at this stuff :)
jurov: PinkPosixPXE: current status is: , no git at all
kakobrekla: PinkPosixPXE were you actually following the debate?
fivezerotwo: hello everyone, its been a while
PinkPosixPXE: thanks jurov, perfect.. wanted to see where things were at..
PinkPosixPXE: kakobrekla: I followed much of it for the past few weeks
PinkPosixPXE: the idscussions around the patches, and testing, bitcoin foundation, git signing, etc.
PinkPosixPXE: discussions*
PinkPosixPXE: but the last week has been really busy
kakobrekla: well color me surprised then.
PinkPosixPXE: I was going to speak up sooner, but I didn't want to commit/promise anything, when I was so busy
PinkPosixPXE: so I just kept watching the discussions, and kept up with what was going on
PeterL: !up scoopbot
kakobrekla: PeterL is that thing registered with nickserv?
punkbot: jurov: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
PeterL: yes
mike_c: ;;ident scoopbot
gribble: Nick 'scoopbot', with hostmask 'scoopbot!', is not identified.
PeterL: do I need to make a grible ident for it?
BingoBoingo: ;;rate ninjashogun -3 UnSavory Garnish, Vegetable Can't find right IRC window
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ninjashogun has changed from -3 to -3.
bounce: a nickserv account would be decent, though
bounce: as in, with a cloak saying to bug you if it misbehaves
PeterL: oh, how do I do that?
kakobrekla: PeterL get a cloak in #freenode
punkman: you need to group a second nick for it first
PeterL: so the bot should be logged in under my account?
punkman: no I mean to get a cloak, you need to have an alternate nick grouped in the account
bounce would make a separate account, but dunno what freenode wants
kakobrekla: lol cs
PeterL: oh, a second nick grouped to scoopbot?
kakobrekla: anyway, should be voiced on join
mike_c: - see "what is the recommended way to set up my irc nickname" #5 & #6
assbot: freenode: frequently-asked questions
The20YearIRCloud: Right now we have about .015btc/share in equity, stock price is well under that though
kakobrekla: if i got the command right anyway
mike_c: The20YearIRCloud: any more ipos coming up?
assbot: American Malls Converted To Data Centres |
The20YearIRCloud: Absolutely no need for em
mike_c: ;;calc (0.000031 * 12) / 0.015
gribble: 0.0248
mike_c: is the company building up cash or paying out most free cash flow in divs?
The20YearIRCloud: RIght now we're looking at changing the div pay to reflect higher re-investment in the company
The20YearIRCloud: Especially since the banks right now are offering us 1:5 leverage for each dollar we put into the loans, and that's pretty hard to refuse.
mike_c: so lowering divs and building up equity
The20YearIRCloud: Divs won't actually go down, they just won't go up
The20YearIRCloud: While equity will increase significantly more
The20YearIRCloud: I'm looking by end of year under current system to be paying out around 10-14btc/month in dividends if we don't change the setup. Our last month's payment was something like 5btc
mike_c: cool. well if you're not issuing more shares who cares what the price is
The20YearIRCloud: I personally don't, it lets me buy more shares. However I know we have some that want to see high dividends
mike_c: well lucky for you they aren't voting shares
The20YearIRCloud: and a mix of high share price & dividend price shows more of a proof-of-concept to investors
fivezerotwo: So we expanded our layer 4 attacking power. Qntra/Trilema, therealbitcoin, bitbet, take your pick!
The20YearIRCloud: Even if they were voting shares it wouldn't change much. Our top 3 shareholders whom account for something like 60% of share ownership are all on the board and agree with where we're headed
fivezerotwo: PinkPosi4PXE, Its stupid to reconnect without a cloak
mike_c: great, so keep plugging? you're profitable and don't need more investment. sounds good to me.
The20YearIRCloud: Pretty much
mike_c: congrats.
The20YearIRCloud: The bank's telling us we should be able to loan a little under $1mm with our current margins
nubbins`: <+jurov> the REFERENCES can't be replaced by definition.. why they must be there? <<< heh
mike_c: biggest risk to your business now is probably being associated with havelock.
The20YearIRCloud: And our margins are *quite* healthy considering industry averages
cazalla: fivezerotwo, you never got back to me
fivezerotwo: cazalla, oh yeah
nubbins`: jurov in fact, that REFERENCE should be amended to point to the foundation charter.
The20YearIRCloud: I wouldn't be surprised to see the BOA want to move away in the next year
jurov: ^ too late
mike_c: that would be smart.
jurov: ben_vulpes this deed^
nubbins`: ah for shame, was just about to post the details in question
assbot: Deed J74EmoXm | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
The20YearIRCloud: But, for the time being that's where we are, it's working for us (kind of).
nubbins`: now there's a [R.1] in the doc w/ no reference below :S
mike_c: yeah, it works right up until it doesn't.
nubbins`: [R.1] As established in The Bitcoin Public Record, Deed ID 9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj,
nubbins`: Bundle 12CJHNrBGLNxLaYbX9NH2tnU1JAeXxByZ6 confirmed in block BLOCKHEIGHT with transaction ID db155b101580cf08c366f6016abe3310a1122f7f67f7303878a7254e854e2689.
assbot: "Work sets you free" sign stolen: Dachau memorial robbed.
punkman: hah
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 12CJHNrBGLNxLaYbX9NH2tnU1JAeXxByZ6 |
assbot: New Bitcoin Deed System Launches : Bitcoin
fivezerotwo: upvote this please :)
punkman: ddos incoming?
fivezerotwo: punkman, yeah, getting PinkPosixPXE's AWS account suspended first, then moving to assets sites
punkman: well this particular one won't take much
punkman: could probably refresh really fast in your browser
fivezerotwo: have fun, i'll see you soon :D
The20YearIRCloud: I'm having fun with the company though, one day a month I get to feel what it's like to walk around like a drug dealer with $3k-$4k cash in my pocket.
cazalla: fivezerotwo wants 2 btc to stop lol
assbot: <fivezerotwo> i haz vry p0wrful LOIC cannonz <fivezerotwo> 15mpps <cazalla> i -
kakobrekla: "hey pssst got anything on ya??" "nothing but some apartment dust."
kakobrekla: is it not funny?
kakobrekla: too dry?
kakobrekla puts more water on the thing.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: See, that's useful. Wet Apartment dust === Spackle
The20YearIRCloud: That's about it
The20YearIRCloud: "hey, got any bedbugs?"
punkman: <fivezerotwo> 15mpps << wait, all this trouble from 15mbits?
kakobrekla: its packets per second
kakobrekla: also dick millimeters
kakobrekla: same thing
BingoBoingo: millipenises?
punkman: well better post any deeds before it explodes
nubbins`: imagine paying someone to stop a ddos
nubbins`: my sides
jurov: could only get funnier if he hasked to put the ransom note into a deed
nubbins`: punkman fwiw:
nubbins`: <@gmaxwell> nubbins`: Change the hash to get rid of the crazy base58 (pita to implement) in the inner loop and make it a merkle tree so the proof can be compact even with many things commited. And instead of using a private key, use a pay-to-contract
assbot: Blockstream/contracthashtool · GitHub
cazalla: punkman: would qntra like to sponsor a WP plugin that accepts signed posts and puts them in editor's queue? <<< it's an idea but i think we keep process as is atm
PeterL: ben_vulpes: you run
punkman: nubbins`: lol base58 is the pita to implement
punkman: but good point about merkle tree
PinkPosixPXE: that was entertaining
PinkPosixPXE: what a jackass.. with his leet .NET framework skillz
kakobrekla: allow me to recommend you a cloak.
PinkPosixPXE: yea, im already setting one up.. I can flip my ip as often as I like, but I'm setting up ipv6 cloaking
PinkPosixPXE: I also spoke to amazon just in case .. his 'ddos' was pretty weak
nubbins`: i bet it was like 1% of xmas traffic ;/
nubbins`: PinkPosixPXE don't knock .net, where else can you combine c-style code with visual basic in the same executable? :D
PinkPosixPXE: I'm actually in the process of migrating off aws to my beefier vps' with ddos mitigation and the works, but just hadn't done so yet.. didn't know mr. micro penis police was going to decide to pull my pigtails while he sits in his mothers basement..
PinkPosixPXE: I didn't get a calendar invite from him.. ;)
kakobrekla: yes, lets irc get 10gbps lines for our ircing needs
nubbins`: but how will we generate deeds locally and fund the addresses ourselves if is down
nubbins`: by using the available tools?!
kakobrekla: paper and pen?
nubbins`: it's as if there's no stopping us ;0
jurov: maybe using asciilifeform's blockchain telegraph?
nubbins`: blockchain ham
PinkPosixPXE: hehe these vps' are for a few other projects as well, but will also meet my irc needs
kakobrekla: jurov another boxen is cheaper than that :)
ben_vulpes: PeterL: oui c'est moi
PeterL: does it have a rss feed?
PinkPosixPXE: ok, time to finish up some work/be productive, and have some delightful Pho for dinner!
kakobrekla: you live in the nam?
PinkPosixPXE: hehe nah, I just buy food from the nam's restaurant.. the good ones
PinkPosixPXE: nom 'nam
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i made one at one point, but it's fallen over since.
PeterL: aha, let me know if you get a feed working so I can add it to the bot's list
kakobrekla: ;;rate fivezerotwo -1 >I wanna see if trust list notifications work correctly (next one in a couple of hours)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user fivezerotwo has been recorded.
kakobrekla: it werks
kakobrekla: drinks for everyone!
PeterL: when I tried to add author i borked it, but now it works again
kakobrekla: you cant really claim that
BingoBoingo: scoopbot request n00dz
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2014 04:09:06; kakobrekla: there is only non working code atm so stfu.
mircea_popescu: ahhh that was the best salmon in soffran sauce i ever had.
BingoBoingo: Oh another "if massive mining power, then this had probably been discussed to death before" attack
mircea_popescu: nah, actually, the timestamping is known to be weak.
kakobrekla: soffran ? saffron?
mircea_popescu: saffron yea
kakobrekla: that thing is poison.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: news flash: news doesn't have footnotes. << i dunno, maybe i'm nuts but imo the current solution to the problem of illiterare population (dumb down the news) is maybe not the best. putting footnotes in there so even the clueless can follow may work ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla isn't that if you eat thr wrong part ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: mircea_popescu: or i can generate something like 1BTCFund but it 'll take a while <<< eeentirely up to you.
PeterL: news doesn't have footnotes because they have not adapted to using the technology yet
mircea_popescu: and totally bitbet needs moar footnotes :D
PeterL: they are still stuck trying to make their websites look like a paper newspaper
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu afaik no. but you need 10 grams to take you out.
mircea_popescu: and breaking all the fucking browsers as a result.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seeing how i didn't pay like 10k for the sauce alone, i somehow doubt there was enough in there then
kakobrekla: lucky for us it has a strong taste so you dont need much of it.
kakobrekla: less than half a gram for a persons meal +-
mircea_popescu: punkman Sorry, the requested URL '' caused an error: Not found: '/raw_bundles/1M/1MXeLHi5\x00bundle'
mircea_popescu: i just clicked a link!
mircea_popescu: 0x1) CLAUSES 0x0] INTRODUCTION ; RESPONSIBILITIES => ) ==== ]
punkman: where was that link?
mircea_popescu: Download bundle: JSON | Raw << raw part
punkman: oic
mircea_popescu: bounce: no, it's complete bs. reading time does not depend on wordcount alone. or even taking word length into consideration. <<< seriously guise, this "reading time" thing is poppy.
asciilifeform: putting footnotes in there so even the clueless can follow may work ? << lol! what next, footnotes for linux kernel so illiterates can understand? bitcoind? lev landau's 'mechanics' ?
kakobrekla: ftr im against against.
mircea_popescu: bounce: footnotes are a major break in reading flow [...] <<< here's a tip&trick : hover pointer over footnote mark, there's a tooltip that loads it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure.
mircea_popescu: it'd be better than the current pretense of "we invented a new, easier one!"
kakobrekla: nobody notices kakos headnotes.
mircea_popescu: "it doesn't work, and it's pretty stupid, but at least you know, ux!"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla heads too big, hard to notice.
asciilifeform: what would, e.g., herr landau, have accomplished, if he had to occupy himself with teaching arithmetic.
cazalla: fwiw, i don't think the kakobrekla's and asciilifeform's of this world are the target audience for Qntra
asciilifeform: cazalla: who, if it isn't a deep secret, is?
kakobrekla: fine ill go back to coindesk.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: kakobrekla is the audience for everything
mircea_popescu: jurov: i propose if they don't get claimed in 14 days, then they get loaned to coinbr. <<< i think that's how brokers work anyway, minus the 14 days
asciilifeform a believer in 'last psychiatrist's theorem' - 'if yer reading it, it's for you'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not landau. later contributors can footnote it.
mircea_popescu: qntra doesn't make the news, it just footnotes it!
cazalla: although maybe BingoBoingo's articles have more appeal to the sophisticated Qntra reader
asciilifeform: qntra, american malls converting to data centers << obligatory >>
mircea_popescu: punkman: would qntra like to sponsor a WP plugin that accepts signed posts and puts them in editor's queue? << it's not a bad idea on the face but the truth is that the pipeline is too finnicky and too dependent on handwork for it to be useful. yet.
asciilifeform: signed posts << incidentally, this - plus a dose of wot - is the final thermonuclear pill against spam.
asciilifeform: call it 'ninjashotgun.'
mircea_popescu: it seems to be working fine yes.
punkman: also good idea for solo blog and comments
punkman: so you can post with logging in or such
punkman: *without
asciilifeform: screw logging in.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with "you can just post"
asciilifeform: box (or mail gate) that swallows signed ascii text. a la turdatron.
mircea_popescu: assbot: "Work sets you free" sign stolen: Dachau memorial robbed. <<< that thing gets stolen periodically.
kakobrekla: poppy.< i dunno if poppy is good or bad (imma guess bad) but the diff between word count and reading time is the diff between 'df' and df -h'
asciilifeform wonders about the value of the pinched sign on the artcoin market
mircea_popescu: poppycock, ie, bad
kakobrekla: yes totally bad to put it human companionable form
kakobrekla: sux beyond vacuum
kakobrekla: jesus autofail
mircea_popescu: cazalla: fivezerotwo wants 2 btc to stop lol <<< guy sounds a lot more like, he'd want to start above the grunt level, doesn't know how to ask but figures (correctly) that no matter how he'd ask he won't get it.
kakobrekla: comprehendable is what i meant?
mircea_popescu: comprehensible.
mircea_popescu: like reprehensible, but with cunt instead of raep.
mircea_popescu: so reading this log, is trilema down or what.
mike_c: not down for me.
kakobrekla: no, bitbet is.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: <@gmaxwell> nubbins`: blabla <<< how about we each do our part to keep idiocy cointained in -otc -dev and wherever else.
kakobrekla: my domain name slave is sleeping unfortunately
kakobrekla: and while i could call him up, eh.
mircea_popescu: what's the rush.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: PinkPosixPXE don't knock .net, where else can you combine c-style code with visual basic in the same executable? :D <<< os/x ?
punkman: re: merkle tree - maybe in the future where we have 100 deeds per bundle, but it's already a hash tree so...
asciilifeform: 'We never pay any-one Dane-geld / No matter how trifling the cost; / For the end of that game is oppression and shame, / And the nation that pays it is lost!"'
punkman blows raspberry
kakobrekla: ;;isup
gribble: is up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128200 @ 0.00073227 = 93.877 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: punkman fatswell is an expert at the wikigame. how to say words that appear like they have substance.
ben_vulpes: punkbot: status
punkbot: ben_vulpes: No pending deeds | Last bundle 2 hours and 31 minutes ago
ben_vulpes: punkbot: balance
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.0146 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 132 more bundles.
joecool: !ping
mircea_popescu: scoopbot hello
artifexd: <kakobrekla> yes, someone requested to make a custom rss feed for []bot only for it not to be used << It will be. Just... not yet.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
asciilifeform not surprised, expected precisely this.
ben_vulpes: !up foo_nugget
ben_vulpes: punkbot: help
punkbot: ben_vulpes: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
ben_vulpes: punkbot: list
punkman: punkbot list deedsystem
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform not surprised, expected precisely this. << wouldja give a man a moment ? i gotta answer comments and whatnot!
asciilifeform: lulzies
punkbot: [trust-update] | removed: fivezerotwo
mircea_popescu: !s from:nubbins`
assbot: 14 results for 'from:nubbins`' :
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2014 00:11:53; asciilifeform: "came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the
asciilifeform: ^ re: fl4m3w4r in mircea_popescu's comments
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got a pointer to where you and nubbins` cut the book deal ?
PinkPosixPXE: more fivezerotwo garbage >
assbot: dpaste: 1QE0QRB: fivezerotwo 2014-11-03, by PinkPosixPXE
punkman: mircea_popescu: url bug fixed, and there's the trust-list notification
mircea_popescu: search is being unfriendly.
PinkPosixPXE: essentially the same crap
mircea_popescu: punkbot loveya.
PinkPosixPXE: that was from earlier, but same as the threats you guys are getting, just threw it out there
PinkPosixPXE: ok Pho, bbl!
kakobrekla: 15:31 <fivezerotwo> these people have a world view that 99% of the populance are dumb morons < its not my fault :(
mircea_popescu: 99% of the populace actually are dumb morons.
mircea_popescu: s not a worldview.
punkman: kakobrekla: I have a gift for you
assbot: deeds signed by kakobrekla
kakobrekla: nowai, mp takes those away from me
ben_vulpes: who will step forward to claim responsibility for taking the deed faucet booty?
ben_vulpes: has someone, and i failed to notice?
PeterL: I'm waiting for a bunch to be out there and then I am going to take them all at once
punkman: even nubbins` url works, success!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets deed registry
BingoBoingo: Maybe fivezerotwo waits a few years and he can scrape his ransom out of the deedbot bin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00073039 = 35.4239 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: punkman: what's the story with deed titles?
assbot: majorpaynei86 comments on New Bitcoin Deed System Launches
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1D4kG2YPA6WHnkVs57VJXsRkpEF2TNB6zP
punkman: ben_vulpes, just add Deed_title: bla bla on a line
punkman: maybe I make that just Title: ?
ben_vulpes: "recordation"
ben_vulpes: yeeeeah
ben_vulpes: seems superfluous to me
ben_vulpes: plus, imposing a structure on deeds is questionable
ben_vulpes: punkman: ^^
ben_vulpes goes back to permutating an api that the clients didn't want to document
punkman: someone asked for it at some point
ben_vulpes: my favorite part of software is telling clients "no".
ben_vulpes: for some reason saying no is harder in -assets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16695 @ 0.0007295 = 12.179 BTC [-]
PeterL: what happens if the document has more than one line with Title: on it?
punkman: PeterL: uses first match
kakobrekla: bitbet is on the new boxen. if there is an emergency you can edit your hosts or wait couple of hours.
assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: throw parseError("Don't fuck with me, assets")
ben_vulpes: good god mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: don't *do* that
kakobrekla knew thats gonna happen
punkman: deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj << urovj , that deed hash
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
kakobrekla guessed the sum.
mircea_popescu: why not ?!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wd. punkman yeah lol i did a dbl take too.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's fucking incredible, the guy's anagram? rly ?! but sig checked out so.
mircea_popescu: maybe we call him urovj from now on in memory of it.
punkman: vanity deeds! just append nonces until you get it
kakobrekla: ;;isup
gribble: is up
kakobrekla: now he stops....
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works kakobrekla
kakobrekla: clearly nobody does anymore
kakobrekla: ( i have been reading the logs)
mircea_popescu: !up eightyeight
mircea_popescu: the world is decentralised, so it no longer works!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> reddit << someone missed the point << yeah, tarddit continues to inhabit this delusion whereby what it thinks and understands matters and is important. for greater lulz!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00073087 = 24.1918 BTC [+]
mike_c: not having a reddit account helps me resist the occasional urge to educate them.
mircea_popescu: works for me 2.
kakobrekla: meh i have put it back on the old box lol
PeterL: I never saw the appeal of reddit, it's like having all the inane comments from newspaper sites, but without the article to read
mircea_popescu: do newspaper sites still get comments anymore ?
PeterL: some do, but not anything useful as far as I've seen
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do newspaper sites still get comments anymore ? << Haven't seen any on the local papers recently, seems to have moved to Topix mostly, aka reddit for the poorer and stupider
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki << pls to insert deeds
kakobrekla: ah on ze mirror
mircea_popescu: o im in a bubble ?!
kakobrekla: no no that thing is hardcoded
kakobrekla: waits for my manual edit
kakobrekla: hold on
mircea_popescu tries to recall what boost supposedly did
PeterL: aha, here is the one I was actually looking for:
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, bitbetworks
cazalla: mircea_popescu, "incubate" startups like this
mircea_popescu: wasn't it supposed not to work ?! wtf scam is this.
kakobrekla: yes we have a problem
kakobrekla: bitbetworks
mircea_popescu: <fivezerotwo> reddit killed digg, one of the fastest growing tech startups at that time <<< ahahhhaha o gawd.
kakobrekla: log1 fixd
mircea_popescu: "digg decided to shoot itself in the head with web2.0, and reddit was one of the places that allowed child porn back then so here we are, hear us roar!"
mircea_popescu: all hail the b-a explorer!
kakobrekla: now dont add anymore .ba services
kakobrekla: or else imma have to recode that header
mircea_popescu: why not!
mthreat: I can see why hitler came here after ww2
mike_c: ;;rate PeterL 1 author of scoopbot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded.
mike_c: nice to have that back.
PeterL: is checking every 5 minutes a good timeframe you think?
mike_c: sounds good.
punkman: PeterL: name of website is a bit redundant, also might be better with irc names instead of rss authors
PeterL: right now it is pulling the author from the rss feed, to get irc nick would be a bit trickier
mike_c: hard code it. you have to maintain the list of blogs anyway
PeterL: it is also pulling the site title from the feed, it is not my fault they don't have a more interesting name for thier blog
kakobrekla: author not in rss?
kakobrekla: what rss is that?
punkman: just thinking it might be silly when it eventually says "by admin"
kakobrekla: like a shitty one?
PeterL: yes, author is in rss, but author in rss feed does not match irc nick
kakobrekla: mike_c hardcode not worky. point is qntra has many contributors
kakobrekla: yeah well fuck them
decimation: seems like the logs have been ddos'ed
PeterL: I guess it could get the author from the rss, then compare it against a list of irc nicks?
kakobrekla: yea looks like it decimation
PeterL: and assbot stopped saying the names of linked pages
kakobrekla: yes thats what happens under ddos
mike_c: point is qntra has many contributors << derp. oh yeah.
kakobrekla: or else someone comes here, pastes a link he controls, gets the ip from behind cloak
decimation: I wonder if usg has attempted to jail someone for possessing a private rsa key that is directly linked with extortion?
punkman: < are they telling me to go elsewhere?
PeterL: have there been private rsa keys linked to extortion?
cazalla: PeterL, shots fired!
kakobrekla: punkbot sell price be their bid
PeterL: who shot what?
decimation: cazella's linked pastebin strongly implied such
decimation: although to be fair, the link to the gpg key is a bit tenuous
cazalla: PeterL, this "they don't have a more interesting name for thier blog", do you know we took almost 2 days to pick the name
PeterL: I just mean the blog name is exactly the same as the url
PeterL: even has the .net
cazalla: if this was reddit, i would down vote you right now
cazalla: seriously though, i always like how penguirker did it
PeterL: which was just the link?
cazalla: PeterL, it was like but maybe others want more info, who knows
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 16:28:31; penguirker: New blog post:
mircea_popescu: hm so i was just notified by the reddit sec that there's no reddit police
mircea_popescu: and the reddit fbi confirmed.
kakobrekla: and reddit nsa denied the whole thing.
cazalla: does this means qntra dropped out of 200k?
mircea_popescu: <PeterL> is checking every 5 minutes a good timeframe you think? << yeah.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> seems like the logs have been ddos'ed << i see em ?
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> does this means qntra dropped out of 200k? << Never went under 200k yet
PeterL: so the bitcoin foundation has an address, what do they do with the donated bitcoins?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The rank is based on the last full month
decimation: ;;isitdown
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: did the scriptkiddies getcher aws account?
gribble: is down
decimation: ;;isitdown
gribble: is down
decimation: ;;isitdown
gribble: is up
mircea_popescu: PeterL whatever they feel like, basically.
ben_vulpes: buttcorns again, probably knowing the jackoffs involved.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: have they stated anything they feel like doing yet?
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember trying to lure testers maybe ?
decimation: so after watching Stierlitz, I surfed the wikipedia describing the NASDP government intelligence 4th department "According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[78] Gellately argued that it was because of
decimation: the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of panopticism."
mircea_popescu: lol i like cazalla's pastebin.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is factual.
decimation: so, really all you need to have a 'reign of terror' is to put a 'suggestion box' in front of the secret police office
mircea_popescu: all you need to have a reign of terror is to empower the bottom of the social hierarchy. it never fails.
mircea_popescu: be it the peasants in russia, or the derps in nazi germany, whenever the "common man" is taken from under the foot and put on the table trouble soon follows.
mircea_popescu: the us worked just fine, and definitely better than the entire rest of the world, BEFORE extending the franchise.
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
decimation: yeah, if the NASDP leadership weren't fucktards, they would have put more emphasis on actual intelligence rather than harassing idiots
decimation: mircea_popescu: agreed. as I drive to work, I listen to that french revolution podcast, and they just covered the 'housewife army' that managed to dislodge Louis from Versailles
mircea_popescu: whenever "joe said" is not automatically followed by "oh yea ? and who the fuck is joe ?" the situation is already in the handbasked and moments away from hell.
PinkPosixPXE: 19:46 #bitcoin-assets: <+ben_vulpes> PinkPosixPXE: did the scriptkiddies getcher aws account? << nope
PinkPosixPXE: may be dropped about 10000 packets total, and did nothing as soon as I flipped my ip..
PinkPosixPXE: perhaps they decided going after 1 person wasn't enough for their e-peen-inflation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incorporated << neato. now nubbins` can bake tshirts!
mircea_popescu: but everything here is one single person or another.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what, tshirts with the charter ?
asciilifeform: with sumthing.
kakobrekla: how do tshirts help?
asciilifeform: idk, but 10 btc would buy a good fat crate'o'em
mircea_popescu: wait a seccond. is lawsky the reddit supernintendo or the actual supernintendo ?
mircea_popescu: have we been fooled ?!
asciilifeform: 'attacking #bitcoin-assets for their comments on reddit, assault against basic income, and other crap' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: there it is, 'basic income' again
asciilifeform: is that 'a thing' now?
mircea_popescu: what else do you suppose keeps approximately-washed middle aged boys in shared apartments with internet access ?
asciilifeform: i'd dearly love to know. where do i get some.
asciilifeform has to do all kinds of gnarly things for his 'b4s1c 1nc0m3'
PinkPosixPXE: I guess some idiots on reddit have to be scam trolls to get their daily income...
PinkPosixPXE: Then, didn't they like demand 2BTC ?
kakobrekla: idk, but 10 btc would buy a good fat crate'o'em < is this a protest of how unusable btc is to you or ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: iirc you invented a way of using
asciilifeform: how long can one run a kakobrekla on 10 btc ?
kakobrekla: sadly i also need to convert to a more acceptable format
kakobrekla: still
decimation: asciilifeform: I recall that you were a proponent of 'guaranteed income'
asciilifeform: decimation: nah, more like guaranteed cloister
cazalla: ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\
kakobrekla: asciilifeform and to answer your question, a few months
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol problem solved.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla is clean, environmentally-spiffy engine
mike_c: first off, ridicule! second, how do you run an iphone without itunes anyway?
kakobrekla has optimized his reoccurring costs quite a bit
decimation: asciilifeform: like, if you are unwilling to provide for yourself, the gov't will supply one small stone cell with three gruels per day?
asciilifeform: decimation: where i live, they sorta do this already, but gotta be aryan
cazalla: mike_c, what would i use ichunes with my iphone for?
mike_c: well i don't know what you'd use an iphone for at all. but i thought you needed itunes to install shit on it.
asciilifeform: mike_c: the current pNohe is entirely usable without a computer.
cazalla: mike_c, you can use the appstore and just upload your music, download pics via ftp provided it is broken
mike_c: i guess you can use an iphone to impress the other girls at the party. gotta get a cute cover for it though.
decimation: asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, is it some kind of inside joke when they go through the 'personnel file' of every high ranking Nazi and they all say exactly the same thing?
asciilifeform: decimation: aha.
asciilifeform: decimation: idea is, you can't play unless 'aryan, good nordic character'
asciilifeform: decimation: so clearly, if you're in the game, that's you.
asciilifeform: decimation: notice, 'baron von stierlitz' has the same in his file.
decimation: of course. I feel like I started halfway in though, they keep mentioning his earlier exploits with V weapons and I seem to have missed that
cazalla: mike_c, i thought it was the girls that like to impress with their phone, blinged up cases and all
mike_c: yes, the key to the joke was "the other girls"
asciilifeform: stone cell with three gruels << notice a peculiar fact about various 'advanced' bezzlatron nations where one can get a nice flat and three fine restaurant meals a day. but, for some reason, the occupants of said flats are not coughing up any great advances in sciences, arts.
asciilifeform: ergo, the sponsors are selective about who gets the cell and three gruels. in a very particular way.
cazalla: mike_c, matters not, sporting an old phone will just get you labelled as a hipster because the 3310 is vintage yo
asciilifeform: (only exception i know of re: 'not coughing up' was j. k. rowling, author of the children's book 'harry potter.' i wonder if they billed her for the pension retroactively...)
mike_c: certainly works in brooklyn
asciilifeform: i suppose ed limonov might be another exception.
decimation: either those who are rich in bezzlars are sitting on their brilliant inventions or the method by which one comes to hold bezzlars has little to do with productive activity
decimation: of course, there is the 'george boole' problem, as you point out in the comments
asciilifeform: neh, the thread was, in some parts of the world one can get the 'three gruels and a cell', but very few of the folks subscribed have shat out anything worth talking about
decimation: asciilifeform: it is an odd fact that most 'upright' folks in the us would prefer to starve rather than depend on welfare, yet the same folks view their mortgage deductions as a birthright
asciilifeform: decimation: outside of usa, there are misconceptions. it isn't like anyone can just go and sign up for 'welfare.'
asciilifeform: if you aren't in the target demographics (not purely 'ethnic', but approximately for most purposes) it may as well be 'macarthur grant' or nobel, for all you'll ever see of it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait a seccond. is lawsky the reddit supernintendo or the actual supernintendo ? << scam, he's just one of those rpi based emulators made the chicoms
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> one can get a nice flat and three fine meals [...] not coughing up any great advances in arts. <<< yes, they are.
mircea_popescu: cocksucking's an art too you know.
asciilifeform: and afaik, most of 'homo redditicus' is not living from government pensions, but from relatives
mircea_popescu: and where do the relatives get it ?
asciilifeform: same place i get it.
mircea_popescu: from tax breaks to deferring of college debt, it's all a gift.
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\ << sounds like a review in itself
asciilifeform: the tax breaks mostly subsidize playing in chumpatrons like real estate
mircea_popescu: now to the massive task of documenting this deedsbot thing.
asciilifeform: (e.g., the 2k i pay landlord is 100% tax-free income for him)
kakobrekla: jebus 2k rent?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha.
kakobrekla: srsly.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'cheap' too.
kakobrekla: unserious
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Seriously plausible for a US coast.
decimation: yeah in ascii's area $2k for a house is cheap
mike_c: significantly cheaper than mine..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it right re: the massive bezzle gifts, but notice that these aren't really handouts to the plebes - they only get to touch the money and feel warm inside for a few seconds, then they have to give it directly to real estate chumpmeisters or college racket
mircea_popescu: well of course.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla unlike europe, the us is very poorly developed.
mircea_popescu: not even kidding. you know that thing where you can't walk for 50 miles without ending up in a town, nor 10 miles without crossing a road ?
mircea_popescu: well... they ain't got that.
asciilifeform: the 2k does not include other bezzles. e.g., auto, without which it is flatly impossible to buy edibles much less earn anything
asciilifeform: and various insurances.
decimation: asciilifeform: I added all this up once, and came to the conclusion that every single person in the washington DC area must have an income of >$100k
decimation: which didn't seem right
mircea_popescu: punkbot list deedsystem
mircea_popescu: what is this supposed to do ?
asciilifeform: decimation: every 'burgher' (see mircea_popescu's essay on the subject) - exactly right
asciilifeform: but there are several categories of inhabitant who don't need money at all
asciilifeform: unfortunately those categories are almost entirely membership-by-birth.
decimation: regarding birth, the ironic thing about wash dc is that the majority of these 'burghers' are holding gov't jobs, which are more-or-less sinecures for life
decimation: meanwhile they have kids, who also need to eat
decimation: those kids being the exact objects which the real estate/job-for-life chumpatrons must devour to sustain themselves
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not even kidding. you know that thing where you can't walk for 50 miles without ending up in a town, nor 10 miles without crossing a road ? << True story, did that.
cazalla: beat you to it, scoopbot
mircea_popescu: o nice, scoopbot.
BingoBoingo: scooptbot request n00dz
decimation: lol so the wall street journal op-ed is where one makes usg policy now?
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, it's where USG policy used to be made
asciilifeform: decimation: government jobs << in usa, everyone - at least, within a few steps of recursion - has a government job.
asciilifeform: (see the canonical piece by 'last psychiatrics' re: one town where this was demonstrable to the naked eye.)
decimation: yeah, in the wash dc area it's just a little flatter I guess
asciilifeform: that is, either works for usg, works for entity funded by usg, or works for a humble physical service (e.g. restaurant, plumber's shop) that is frequented by 1 and 2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41888 @ 0.00072794 = 30.492 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: if you're a potato monger in idaho - usg funded.
asciilifeform: even if you only sell for gold dubloons and have never heard of farm subsidy.
decimation: of course 99% of farmers prefer to receive usg electronic transfers directly to their accounts
asciilifeform: but the point here is, the most humble tomato peddler at my local market - still usg funded.
decimation: yeah, this is true
decimation: for instance, he's still going to have to sell some gold to pay his land tax in dollars
asciilifeform: (it blew my mind the other week when i noticed that these were being paid, by many folks in the crowd, with... something quite like actual monopoly money. issued by the state, it turned out, 'vegetable food stamps.' presumably these are redeemable for usd in some dark cellar at city hall.)
decimation: that fellow who lived under a stump or whatever might claim to be somewhat independent, but really he's just taking advantage of usg's lack landlordship
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope, they're not.
decimation: no ascii that's EBT
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: they're not redeemable for usd.
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: what're they redeemable for? veggies at neighbouring tables?
asciilifeform: arse-mouth system?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tax receipts mostly.
mircea_popescu: you can't go plunk down a pile of em and get dollars in exchange.
mircea_popescu: you can't sell them to a guy down the street
mircea_popescu: you recall when california paid its suppliers in ious
mircea_popescu: then REFUSED to take the same in exchange for tax receipts ?
mircea_popescu: the only innovation there is refusing to take them in exchange for the only thing they used to be good for.
assbot: Chapter Jackson - It's Free Swipe Yo EBT (Explicit) - YouTube
asciilifeform: ca should've been cut up and loaded onto slave ships long ago
asciilifeform: but in reality, the place is a miniature r&d laboratory for usg bezzlatronics.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I've heard it's common practice to buy 'qualified' goods and sell on ebay for usd
mircea_popescu: mebbe, i dunno
asciilifeform: aha like cc scammers.
mircea_popescu: punkman hey how does one download the bundle db ?
assbot: Food stamp fraud raising concerns in gov't offices - BusinessWeek
mircea_popescu: 75 billion a year.
assbot: Court Order: BFL to transfer Bitcoins to Court |
mircea_popescu: that comes to... brace yourselves... 250 bucks a year per capita.
decimation: on food stamps alone
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: misplaced a zero again?
mircea_popescu: about 1/4 ton tomato paste in bulk
assbot: FBI — Fifty-Four Defendants Charged in $18 Million WIC and Food Stamp Fraud Conspiracy
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah the mob's making a killing with it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they keep playing it coy and oh, people.
kakobrekla: whats left in bfl, a few k btc?
assbot: Court Order: BFL to transfer Bitcoins to Court |
joecool: lol at the AKA's
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla doubtful anything's left, fgor a year now
decimation: I like how one arm of USG is threating anyone who has touched a bitcoin, while the other arm claims that they could not possibly investigate welfare fraud
mircea_popescu: welfare fraud is good.
asciilifeform: ' The order also gives the receiver authorization to convert the bitcoins "to cash on a systematic and reasoned basis."' << brace for waterfall.
kakobrekla: i have enough of this waterboarding :p
decimation: well, welfare fraud definitely serves some purpose, otherwise usg would 'investigate' it
mircea_popescu: decimation lemme illustrate the point with a humorous story.
assbot: Massanutten. Water slides, mini-golf and bears.
mircea_popescu: the part where he says "Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority"
assbot: The #bitcoin-assets deed system pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: just as long as you agree to move your sustenance to stealing from the government, the government won.
mircea_popescu: you're still depending on it, whether you like it or not.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't care if you fight "for" or "against" it, just as long as your fight is ~about~ it.
mircea_popescu: on it goes.
mircea_popescu: there's a good reason comes up with "ignore it" not with "debunk it" or "use it" or w/e else.
decimation: lol I've stayed at massanutten
asciilifeform 'private key for the confirmatory transaction' << misread as 'the crematory transaction'
decimation: massanutten is kind of a weird retirement area/resort for the wash dc area
decimation: for people who are not creative enough to find a more amusing place to live than a hill in rural Virginia
decimation: lol "That looks like a dog with a blanket on it. I'm not going to waste anyones time sending an officer out to check that. "
decimation: this guy is strong with the art of troll
asciilifeform: "ignore it" not with "debunk it" or "use it" << ignoring herr lysenko is best done from across an ocean.
asciilifeform: although even this no longer suffices.
asciilifeform: seems like they don't make oceans wide enough, any more.
decimation: so the anarcho-tyranny that 'upstanding citizens' complain about is really just two sides of the same customer service counter
decimation: the stick, for those who are willing to yield, the carrot for those who are willing to eat
mircea_popescu: people generally are slaves. this holds true irrespective of what the fashionable slavegarb is at any point.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> "ignore it" not with "debunk it" or "use it" << ignoring herr lysenko is best done from across an ocean. << the internet is an ocean.
BingoBoingo: Oh, we also beat coinfire to the BFL story
BingoBoingo: By about 20 minutes
assbot: Court in the /ButterflyLabs case has ordered for some of the co bitcoins to be moved to a court wallet & to be sold:
BingoBoingo: scoopbot request tits
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