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mircea_popescu: cads that is a slightly different discussion, and in no way related to "views".
asciilifeform: naggum's 4-ring binders
asciilifeform: 'lemon car' theorem, etc.
mircea_popescu: and that different discussion i will appoach from the following different angle :
mircea_popescu: would you consider more important the mona lisa or an equally large, equally well made unknown painting certainly made by da vinci ?
asciilifeform: cads: even a rookie spammer can easily arrange a million 'views' of whatever.
mircea_popescu: the mona lisa people have spenbt 45804958609458609458609845045809845 minutes watching.
mircea_popescu: this unknow painting, 845.
mircea_popescu: which is the more important ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck sits in museums with a clicker doing cezanne vs caravaggio minutemanview competition ?
mircea_popescu: why not compare movies by the gross weight of tit watching them ?
cads: in the landscape of the possible human experience time is the only scarce resource, so if in /this/ universe people have spent more time experiencing the first art work, then I am willing to say this is more "important"
mircea_popescu: the oscars this year totals films watched by 48599 tons of tit fat.
mircea_popescu: so if i were to give you one of the two, you'd pick the mona lisa ?
asciilifeform: reason i mentioned google's widget, is that the chumps pay manyfold for 'conversions' (term of art)
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asciilifeform: i.e. 'victims' who do not merely click the ad, but go on to buy something
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would time be a scarce resource anyway.
asciilifeform: the type of fool that pays for mere click is not entirely extinct, however.
mircea_popescu: the people who do views have nothing else to do with their time
mircea_popescu: that's why they're there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slowly dieing out, like the email spammer.
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cads: mircea_popescu: I'm merely saying one work has influenced far more human experience, thoughts, and ultimately economic action.
mircea_popescu: maybe it has.
mircea_popescu: except the point of art is that it doesn't work like commerce.
mircea_popescu: maybe the unseen painting also has. for what we know...
cads: art works like a popularity contest
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema what is art
gribble: What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/>; Art over time, a graph of progress. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/art-over-time-a-graph-of-progress/>; WhoMerLock :: A Trio of Trilemmas by GMYuna on deviantART: <http://gmyuna.deviantart.com/art/WhoMerLock-A-Trio-of-Trilemmas-424265034>
mircea_popescu: i need a ;;trilema
mircea_popescu: ffs this thing sucks.
cads: not a competition of provision of real valued, but a competition to earn human sentiment
ozbot: What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: there, share it with the feminists, it'll make them like me, much to their detriment.
cads: I'm not going to argue what is art, I'm interested in how artists earn money, and I'm having a hard time believing that the amount of money that an artist earns does not _strongly_ correlate with the amount of attention that others give him.
cads: how can that claim be sustained?
cads: okay
mircea_popescu: the amount an artist earns strictly correlates with how powerful his lord is
mircea_popescu: and how well he serves him.
cads: I can think of many artists that make livings working in larger studios
cads: for commercial work - entertainment, marketing, design
mircea_popescu: i can think of many ways people structure deals to avoid tax.
cads: these artists do /not/ recieve attention
mircea_popescu: yes they do, it's just not nominalized.
cads: and they in fact do better than artists that try to make their living purely on their art
mircea_popescu: the ronin ":artist" is merely a rebellious peasant.
cads: which would seem to sustain the claim that earning do not correlate to attention
mircea_popescu: no matter how he tries to fake the pretense of being an actual artist.
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Namworld: ;;premium mtgox bitstamp
gribble: Premium of MtGox over Bitstamp is currently -52.9905981226 %.
Namworld: This is the best thing ever...
Namworld: +25% to under -50%
cads: I think that's very cynical, and more of a moral issue.. do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to try to make a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: i think it's confused.
cads: Stupid? Patently.
mircea_popescu: do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to make a living as an electric engineer specialised in pottery ?
cads: Sure
mircea_popescu: or a word mathematician ?
mircea_popescu: (like, say, a kabbalist)
cads: what the fuck are you doing with yourself then :D
mircea_popescu: it's ridiculously misguided.
Namworld: What's the issue with someone making a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to read teh log, argument started centuries ago.
Namworld: I must be missing something.
cads: Expected ROI
cads: for one.
asciilifeform: reduces to a search for the right moneyed fool (e.g. reportedly, kabbalists do find employment in israel)
mircea_popescu: cads picture a chick showing up to the sky olympics with toothpics for sticks.
Namworld: Oh... well I guess few makes it.
Namworld: But "artist" encompass a lot of people and careers...
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the john is not a fool, he's buying something for his money.
cads: okay, so I understand, kabbalists and artists are our public enemy so lets not be impressed with them
ozbot: Pulp Fiction Bad Mother wallet restaurant scene Jules - YouTube
mircea_popescu: eh you understand nothing!
cads: in the same sense that we must never expound the virtues of a song about selling crack
mircea_popescu: bah fucking youtube.
cads: even if it is awesome and has done interesting things in the market :D
Namworld: Artists are our public enemy?
Namworld: What?
cads: I was being facetious.
cads: I want to talk about the econmics of how artists earn their sentiment, and we seem to feel that artists deserve only shitty sentiment because they're shysters that troll for a handout.
cads: And "click, whirr" the automatic thoughts now prevent us from applying economic modelling to this agent class
Namworld: earn their sentiment?
mircea_popescu: "jules, you give that fucking nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle" "now... I ain't giving it to him Vincent. I'm buyin' something for my money. Wanna know what I'm buyin' Ringo ?
mircea_popescu: "What ?"
mircea_popescu: "Your life."
mircea_popescu: bout it.
MisterE: poetry
mircea_popescu: cads you have no modelling, there is no economy and no sentiment. fugeddaboutit.
Namworld: What is going on here?
MisterE: we're just about to bring in the gimp I think
mircea_popescu: nah we already had the gimp
mircea_popescu: he's off building an exchange.
cads: hehe, this is how mircea_popescu and I say "I love you"
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cads: haha, and I'm basically arguing that we can make human attention fungible and this is a horror scenario because that means the marketing firms win.
mircea_popescu: you are arguing that people are interchangeable, which is broken in the way socialism generally is broken.
mircea_popescu: nothing human is fungible.
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Namworld: We can? What?
mircea_popescu: only the inhuman parts are fungible.
mircea_popescu: this is how you know you are not your liver.
mircea_popescu: that said, you can infinitely confuse yourself with "newer" and "never" repackagings of but wait look! i have built a perpetuum mobile, i have redressed socialism so now it works etc.
mircea_popescu: i have no objection to the activity, but it doth amuse on one hand and fail to entice o nthe other.
Namworld: I'm pretty sure my humans aren't fungible. Some of my subjects are worth more. They'd cost you more for me to be willing to depart with them.
cads: Suppose I have attempted to construct a system where my clients can pay well defined amounts of money to predictably add and remove beliefs from a group of people. It's worked - I've both started and ended revolutions, political movements, market crazes... in a number of countries.
mircea_popescu: Namworld better go searching for moistened bints.
Namworld: That is a valid alternative.
cads: ehh, that scenario is too imaginary
mircea_popescu: lol caught yourself in your own web huh.
cads: the scenario is too tacky to think about :D
ThickAsThieves: catching up on log, but cads, Cloud Atlas was pretty lame
mircea_popescu: stop repressing him
mircea_popescu: he's like... trying to sniff emancipated, unshaven cunt
asciilifeform: cloud atlas! another cheap sf flick with the bomb collars!
asciilifeform: always the bomb collars.
asciilifeform: hollywood seems to love them.
cads: ah, warn copumpkin
copumpkin: watching it now
cads: the man has committed
mircea_popescu: you ssh ing into a film ?!
copumpkin: yeah, I have an ascii art video player
copumpkin: works fine if you configure your terminal correctly
cads: hehe mircea_popescu you
copumpkin: not enough bandwidth for X forwarding of video
mircea_popescu: "easy to use if you know what you are doing"
cads: 're an ass :D
copumpkin: cads: you're just now realizing?
cads: course not!
copumpkin: the guy's internet famous for it
mircea_popescu: he's only now started the sniffing.
mircea_popescu: pubertee :D
copumpkin: anyway, back to movie
copumpkin: this thing isn't going to watch itself
mircea_popescu: buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.
mircea_popescu: feed a starving virgin!
asciilifeform: it's a 'good bad film.' i recommend it.
mircea_popescu: i just realised we could make a pretty decent -assets mockumentary
asciilifeform: (in the sense of mr. o's essay on 'good bad books')
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cads: mircea_popescu: I will remember that people can make you reject any economic theory simply by saying the word "feminism" 10 minutes before presenting it :D
mircea_popescu: im the foremost feminist here, i'll have you know.
mircea_popescu: (no trollo)
chetty: ppffttt
cads: not a surprise for a slave master to be the feminist of an internet bunch :D
B007: I got accused of being a feminist only once. By a girl.
chetty: current definition of term 'feminist' makes it an insult ya know :P
cads: I like some feminist stuff but I also like knockers
cads: in america at least, dudes that call themselves feminists are mostly women hating bro creeps hiding behind the label
cads: yeah it became a thing
mircea_popescu: i thought us male feminists were mostly... you know, dudes that can't otherwise date.
mircea_popescu: shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomethings.
cads: right it has become rapey bros
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cads: hey I'm a shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomething!
cads: what are ya getting at! :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm the sort of feminist that torns irigaray to shreds because she's too stupid to live and gives a bad name to the entire thing.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like amir taaki.
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cads: there's this neat defense
cads: "It wasn't rape. I'm a feminist"
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mircea_popescu: how does that work ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to help this discussion along,
cads: a man will rape a woman and then claim what happened could not have been rape. He's a feminist.
cads: He's so hurt now.
mircea_popescu: this is bizarre.
cads: He loves women. He's DONE things for the cause. How can this cunt thing he fucking raped her?
cads: think*
mircea_popescu: would this be one of those ambiguous episode kids get involved in that are currently mislabeled as "rape" in the us ?
mircea_popescu: such as get drunk at party, fuck, don't remember much in the morning ?
B007: lol
B007: no
nicknock_: well if you feel regret you can always dump a rape charge at the guy
nicknock_: the female option
KRS-One: .bait
cads: mircea_popescu: hey, cute pic, if I cross my eyes I can almost see her in 3d :D
mircea_popescu: is "gender is a social construct" supposed to excuse her lack of heels or something ?
mircea_popescu: cads yeah the grandiose photochop job is better than the girl.
BingoBoingo: Oh, happy birthday to me!
mircea_popescu: for his a bingo good booingo!
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BingoBoingo: I still have to decide what to get myself.
BingoBoingo: Maybe? I'll probably just get myself some scotch.
BingoBoingo: Or some nice wool socks.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu>buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.
mircea_popescu: i will never know why they eschewed naming the thing chintzy
chetty: actually rape is a social construct then - no gender = no rape :P
cazalla: check yo priviledge
mircea_popescu: no woman no cry
cazalla: privilege even
BingoBoingo: Chintzy might be a good name for a BTC etsy.
mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank "hell-o, i'd like to open a checking account"
mircea_popescu: "what for ? you look like one of those bums with delusions of academia"
mircea_popescu: "nevertheless, i would like to check my privilege"
cads: "Lack game? Try this formula: mention x feminist theorist, y lamentation about political issue that attacks women’s rights, z assertion about sexual consent. That tactic alone may work on someone, and that’s utterly scary."
cads: bahaha
cads: also this
cads: "In my ideal world, the misogynists would be ultra-detectable, with facial pocks and sulfury odors and grunt “wiggle your glazed donut ass for me.” "
mircea_popescu: da fuck.
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mircea_popescu: so if i make girls twerk i'm a mysogynist ?
mircea_popescu: nm, Minh Nguyen fails to be hot and therefore her rambling is irrelephant.
cads: hehe, you are a parody of yourself :)
mircea_popescu: this is how you know i'm a feminist!
mircea_popescu: um wait...
cads: the universe has a human parody operator and you are its fixpoint :)
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
cads: I feel for what she says, and I think she's naive in only one thing
cads: her two male paradongs of perfect sexism free maleness
cads: do not exist
mircea_popescu: if i were surounded by douchy us twennysomething as a woman young enough to wish to get laid... frankly i dunno i'd find the time to write
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mircea_popescu: what with all the reload flamethrower, throw away empty fuel cartridge, reload flamethrower...
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves, Bunnyh just got email from Luke-Jr, patch seems good, hope it helps
mircea_popescu: this however has nothing to do with sexism, feminism, cultural, social, constructs and so forth.
cads: btw who is the originator of the social construct BS?
mircea_popescu: cads saussure, probably.
cads: it's... essentially right but leads people to conclude what is merely a social construct doesn't actually exist so it should be possible in /theory/ to completely dispell that what was a construct.
cads: with another construct
cads: presumably
mircea_popescu: nah that's not it.
cads: but more often with "the truth", at least if you dig at it.
mircea_popescu: it leads people to imagine that it was "constructed", which is a pedestrian interpretation of the term of art,
mircea_popescu: and thus simultaneously casts blame, upon the politically convenient targets of ostracism (ie, actual males, actual females, anyone not fucktarded)
cads: right, the builders
mircea_popescu: and offers a seeming basis for further nuttery (ie, that a "better" construct could be constructed. on etsy.)
mircea_popescu: it's really just a slightly more iq-amped way of being emo.
mircea_popescu: on re-read we don;t disagree.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the entirety of what passes for "social sciences" in the us these days can broadly be divided without remained into the emo ("i am special because i am chiefly only interested in myself and let me tell you about myself which is important because i am special bla bla bla")
mircea_popescu: and goffy, which is "look at all the neat shit i don't understand that i've randomly collected mostly by breaking old stuff apart with a hammer"
cads: and the creepy, "look we can predict crimes before they happen by monitoring unsent drafts on facebook"
mircea_popescu: one of the funniest things to watch is a goffy and an emo chick being interested in the same dood.
cazalla: where do you see that
mircea_popescu: used to be the only attraction of livejournal.
cads: cazalla: you DON'T see that
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mircea_popescu: (which was fb before fb)
cads: but you know it's there
cazalla: i use to have an LJ back in the day :P
mircea_popescu: i never did but i read some of my slaves' ljs from back in the day
mircea_popescu: mucho humiliatory.
cazalla: met a girl on there, thought she would have sex with me if i made an LJ too, gee how naive
mircea_popescu: also quite instructive for me.
benkay: what did you learn?
cads: jesus why the fuck can't we have distributed publicly owned web service assets?!
cads: People use LJ for private journals because it has privacy controls
mircea_popescu: benkay just enriched my personal sottisier.
cads: till their incompetent IT department leaks the firm's key hash database
benkay: wow pankkake venus is some brilliance
benkay: holy fucknuggets venus is illmatic
benkay: makes me want to run my own aggregation channel
benkay: or curate a republication of a bunch of feeds
benkay: no no no kid focus focus kid there are far more important things
mircea_popescu: what venus ?
ozbot: Planet Venus source code
benkay: rss thinger
benkay: slash other stuff
benkay: probably sucks
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benkay: but man you know what else sucks? my rss story.
benkay: solution is not to implement venus actually but to fix rss in emacs
benkay: which i totally have time to and will do in the next decade
benkay: *flips table*
benkay: i'm going to go design a thing. computers suck.
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mircea_popescu: anyone care to help me build a sorted list of politically incorrect english words ?
mircea_popescu: nigger > faggot right ?
ThickAsThieves: greater at what?
mircea_popescu: at incorectness
mircea_popescu: fatty next ? or anything before that ?
ThickAsThieves: this would take forever
mircea_popescu: i just need like the top 10
mircea_popescu: 5, something.
mircea_popescu: cunt is not politically incorrect is it ?!
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ThickAsThieves: wtf is p i tho?
mircea_popescu: ok. hurtful.
mircea_popescu: the most HURTFUL words!
ThickAsThieves: i'm drawing a blank
ThickAsThieves: must be in a kind mood
mircea_popescu: my powem ;/
ThickAsThieves: sandnigger?
dub: interseting problem
ThickAsThieves: mouthbreather?
dub: as a nigger I don't find it offensive, not a faggot so hard to judge
ozbot: Blog-Mahoney: The two most hurtful words in the English language
mircea_popescu: god damned.
mircea_popescu: dub you're black now ?!
dub: since birth in fact
ThickAsThieves: that blog is retarded
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: o yeah retard. ty.
ThickAsThieves: rugmuncher?
ThickAsThieves: greenhorn can be pretty insulting
mircea_popescu: jew is fine isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: should be something with the holocaust tho
mircea_popescu: maybe hebe ?
benkay: programmer
ThickAsThieves: thug, it's the new nigger
mircea_popescu: ahaha programmer
mircea_popescu: i wonder if hacker ever makes this list.
mircea_popescu: "don't be callin ma momma a hacker yo!"
ThickAsThieves: what hacker wants to be called a hacker?
BingoBoingo: Dago, potatonigger, Guido
ThickAsThieves: other than the pretender kind
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo its not that i want a long or exhaustive list,
mircea_popescu: i want it sorted. the internet is full of ambigfuous list. i want to see the fucking impolite middle class.
ThickAsThieves: my dad had a pretty bad word for nigger in portuguese
Duffer1: race based are some of the most loaded atm
ThickAsThieves: prete or something
ThickAsThieves: burnt piece of wood
chetty: I don't think it can be done, hurt is very sujective
Duffer1: especially those regarding black people and mexicans
BingoBoingo: Wetback, beaner
ThickAsThieves: i like beaner
ThickAsThieves: if i were mexican id take it
chetty: haha 'commie', long ago. Now I think its a compliment
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe you could be a faux mexican
ThickAsThieves: its a running joke with the father in law
ThickAsThieves: cuz he's a redneck who cant tell the difference
ThickAsThieves: so i tell him to call me carlos
benkay: i use commie as an insult. it confuses people.
ThickAsThieves: "Gypped" is arguably the most commonly used racist term in existence today.
mircea_popescu: benkay it's always nice to yell when joining a large group "You pinko commie bastards!!!" with lively excitement
BingoBoingo: Some are more and less offensive on different sides of the atlantic. Spaz is fine in 'Murica and a Offensive in Britain. Cunt is the reverse (except when dealing with slants as a full rotation is out of the picture)
mircea_popescu: those 5 seconds while they try to decide if you're about to mow them down or it's a really funny joke are priceless.
benkay: yeah plus you get such great intel about all of them from their reactions i bet
ThickAsThieves: orgasm is pretty offensive to a lot of people
ThickAsThieves: many sex words
mircea_popescu: ya but those are all women
mircea_popescu: who cares.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: In these parts I actually hear Jew'd about as often as Gyp'd
ThickAsThieves: yeah i think more people use gyp cuz they arent quite sure if its an insult
ThickAsThieves: whereas jew'd is pretty obv
ThickAsThieves: "guinea-rigged"
BingoBoingo: I almost forgot Guinea was a slur, fucking I-talians
mircea_popescu: guinea is a slur ?
ThickAsThieves: yeah, like wop
mircea_popescu: but it's a country name.
ThickAsThieves: its assoc with italians for some reason
mircea_popescu: ;;google guinea-bissau
gribble: Guinea-Bissau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau>; Guinea-Bissau - Central Intelligence Agency: <https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pu.html>; BBC News - Guinea-Bissau profile - Overview: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13443186>
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's another nigger word
ThickAsThieves: i havent heard it since i was a kidf
ThickAsThieves: from my dad of course
ThickAsThieves: i'm beginning to understand why i like rap so much
mircea_popescu: you like rap, dub likes dubstep, everyone with his own thing.
BingoBoingo: They even use guinea as a slur in The Godfather.
ThickAsThieves: italians probly got slaves from there
mircea_popescu: they were french colonies tho
mircea_popescu: and italians didn't use slaves really
BingoBoingo: Maybe the French weren't big fans of the Dagos.
mircea_popescu: except the sicilians have to this day a female slavery programme goin
ThickAsThieves: did they ship slaves tho?
mircea_popescu: only to the moors.
mircea_popescu: (fun fact : before the dutch started paying better, the black people were exporting slaves exclusively east, to yemen and other arabs)
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: not sure you're involvement, but the change herbijudlestoids mentioned is merged now
Luke-Jr: your*
ThickAsThieves: my ancestors probly played a decent role in all that, being azorean
ozbot: Black Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: sicilian female slavery??
ThickAsThieves: "Tina Maze of Slovenia and Dominique Gisin of Switzerland finished the women's downhill event with the exact same time"
ThickAsThieves: must be a joke in there somewhere
BingoBoingo: Openex's ATC volume is down to under a hundredth of a BTC these past 24 hours. Trading on https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc still need to pick up the slack though.
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ozbot: Baystreet.ca - ACCESSWIRE
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Exchange ‘Hitbtc’ Launches February 14th after $3M Investment
ThickAsThieves: those are guys mpoe-pr "see here'd"
cads: mircea_popescu: I did some reasearch about charlie bit me - turns out the advertising revenue (~$100K) let the father buy a new house.
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that, 600mn "views" yielded almost 100 btc.
mircea_popescu: a view is more than a hash!
mircea_popescu: ;;estimate 1000
gribble: (estimate takes no arguments) -- Shows next difficulty estimate.
mircea_popescu: ;;genrate 1000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 0.000191846212759 BTC per day and 7.9935921983e-06 BTC per hour.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (10**9 * 24 * 3600)/0.000191846212759
gribble: 450360727780104448
mircea_popescu: 4.5e17 hashes per btc!
cads: "At one point in time, their father Howard Davies-Car stressed that he didn't want to commercialize on the boy's success but realized that unlicensed merchandise was being sold based on their video.[9] In response to requests from viewers online the family created "Charlie Bit My Finger" T-shirts, mugs and limited edition calendars.[2][31]"
mircea_popescu: so did the reader chicks get a new library yet ?
BingoBoingo: ;;genrate 440000000000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 4.4e+11 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 84412.3336141 BTC per day and 3517.18056725 BTC per hour.
cads: and it's this next part that makes it seem completely scifi to me:
cads: "The family signed into a partnership with a video management company called Viral Spiral. Viral Spiral, a video management company specializing in viral videos, has helped place the video in advertisements for companies like Sprint and helped to create a brand.[23][32] There was also news of a web series featuring the boys in the works.[33]
cads: An app called "Charlie Bit Me!!!" was created for Apple and Android devices, developed by Viral Spiral and zGames.[34]"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo watts != kwh
ThickAsThieves: create a brand, from a viral video...
mircea_popescu: kinda shows how worthless a brand is today.
benkay: barely put any effort in...
ThickAsThieves: it's like a branding singularity
benkay: "hit by the brandhammer"
ThickAsThieves: everything you do is your brand
benkay: made 100k
mircea_popescu: policeman sees guy pissing on a fencepost. "da fuck are you doing!" "branding"
ThickAsThieves: freedom of brand!
mircea_popescu: "honey tonight i'll brand the fuck out of your vagina." "and then i brandished it into her again"
ThickAsThieves: i wonder what they call hot ironing cattle now?
ThickAsThieves: viral hits?
cads: oh, hey
cads: speaking of memes turning into brands
cads: wtf is up with dogecoin?!
cads: their market cap is way up! http://coinmarketcap.com/doge_30.html
ThickAsThieves: it's Field Day for Nobodies
mircea_popescu: cads "turning" is maybe a little much
ThickAsThieves: i suspect doge is owned by way less people than they appear
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin DogeCoin Nxt Mastercoin C
ThickAsThieves: it's probly just a couple sock armies
mircea_popescu: dropped to 5 in the fantasy league.
BingoBoingo: If Doges are so great, why doesn't Sochi want them?
mircea_popescu: prolly next surpassed by next.
ThickAsThieves: lol there's 2m more doge than last time i looked!
mircea_popescu: MaxCoin -22% lmao
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much money he'll pump in before he gives up
ThickAsThieves: ha i just went to check twitter
ThickAsThieves: and see mp doge tweet
assbot: 123!
ozbot: Twitter / maxkeiser: Feels like a #maxcoin buy-program ...
cads: "An alternative cryptocurrency disrupting the already rather disrupting crypto market. MaxCoin Donations: mPQERLaEVcj1cMSMX5tyCcCdBeZCkm6GEK "
cads: yeah yeah buddy
ThickAsThieves: he said that?
copumpkin: okay, that was quite the movie
cads: youre just trying to disrupt my wallet
mircea_popescu: dis rupting...
BingoBoingo: Maliciously rupturing?
BingoBoingo: Is Maxcoin a hernia?
ThickAsThieves: malleable anusactions
cads: Ah so when were prophets ever anything but shysters
cads: max has his followers
cads: aka chumps
cads: the only bad thing is I did not do it
cads: sad sad
ThickAsThieves: surely you can use a better name
ThickAsThieves: here i have one
ThickAsThieves: maximillions
cads: cadscoin
cads: Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 10h
cads: Financial regulators in US/UK and elsewhere want Bitcoin to stoop to their level, but it can't: it's not built that way.
cads: HAHAHAHA
cads: this guy is awesome
cads: this is a shyster and a hustler
ThickAsThieves: lol he also says "Saturday nights on Twitter a bit like streets of Paris in mid-August; nothing but drunks, homeless fools and drooling freaks."
cads: "America's Most Outrageous Political Pundit"
ThickAsThieves: on a saturday night
cads: ?REAAAALLLY?!"
cads: ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: max cads ?
mircea_popescu: i say do not despair.
mircea_popescu: you have a future in like nascar.
Duffer1: oh snap
ThickAsThieves: you could find an acronym too
ThickAsThieves: like CADS
ThickAsThieves: currency and deposit system
cads: but I'm not sure how long
ThickAsThieves: the bet exists
cads: of course
ThickAsThieves: pretty much
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
benkay: "start out crazy long shots, end up nailbiters"
ozbot: BitBet - Pussy Riot to announce tour dates before Feb 15th
benkay: there's some money in that dump
cads: ahaha
benkay: er, pump
cads: I dunno if there will be any touring for pussy riot
ThickAsThieves: there's like a legion of em no?
cads: like 5
cads: that just kicked out the two members that actually did time for the group
cads: because they want to remain an anonymous collective if criminals
mircea_popescu: tit envy ?
cads: of*
mircea_popescu: some of the chicks actually had nice tits
cads: I dunno, political suicide in either case imo
ThickAsThieves: clit envy
mircea_popescu: sadly, they were visibly stupid and never got promoted much
ThickAsThieves: there was the pretty one, the lesbian one, and the frizzy mommy
ThickAsThieves: a regular Destinys Child in the making
cads: I mean they could have gone around the world singing "Virgin Mary, put Putin away" and people would have loved it
cads: and the world would heap even more pressure and loathing on russia
cads: maybe they felt this would mean nothing
mircea_popescu: wait, is the pussy riot the ukrainian bunch or the russian bunch ?
cads: remember the russian girls that got arrested for holding an illegal concert on the stairs of the orthodox church
ThickAsThieves: Femen stole our voice, so we only write on signs now
mircea_popescu: also stole their tits.
mircea_popescu: that'd have been way better.
mircea_popescu: "Femen stole our tits, so we have to take it in the ass now"
mircea_popescu: "It hurts."
ThickAsThieves: Our rights have been "impacted"
mircea_popescu: subtle proctological jokes, an -assets specialty.
cads: ThickAsThieves: I love how us bitcoin analysts use such powerful technical indicators as... rocket ships :)
mircea_popescu: rocketsheep!
cads: although I won't doubt its persuasive power
cads: for I felt it
cads: ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.123925 = 0.4957 BTC [-] {2}
cads: oh you guys do know that at one point english writing spelled the S sound with an F
cads: Hence "Femen stole our voice"
cads: is a naughty statement
Namworld: A friend of a friend wants to film me eating one of the hottest peppers in the world. If I don't die, he'll try it himself. What?
Namworld: Guess it can't be too bad.
Namworld: Sounds like fun.
cads: femen is a feminist group waging things such as a "topless jihad"
cads: Namworld: your friend is an evil bastard
cads: since I'm an evil bastard I encourage you to follow his heed!
mircea_popescu: semen ftole our fanny ?
Namworld: No. Me and my friends are evil bastards. I'll act like it's nothing and then we'll see his reaction.
cads: semen stole our voice. all we could make was gargling sounds
mircea_popescu: dystopia : semen actually renders women mute.
mircea_popescu: some are happily and thus quietly married
mircea_popescu: the rest are feminists.
Namworld: I already tasted stuff ranked ~1 million on the Scoville scale without flinching.
Namworld: I'll make it look like it's nothing.
cads: Namworld: is there any way you can license the video for distribution to -assets?
cads: also your bastard friend's wimpy reaction :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo once btc goes up enough i guess you'll have to graduate from pens to peppers.
Namworld: The guy asked my friend because he needed someone to try before him. My friend proposed me, because he thought it would be fun. =P
Namworld: It was my understanding the guy wanted to put it on youtube.
mircea_popescu: so none of you have girlfriends ?
Namworld: I don't, mircea.
Duffer1: >.<
mircea_popescu: cads that guy looks like the vagina dentata bit his finger.
mircea_popescu: should we call spiral bacterial or w/e it was ?
cads: his expression is hilarious
Namworld: lol cads
Namworld: I'll keep you updated, cads
cads: hell yea! it looks like this girl just uppercutted the fuck out of this old man
cads: Truth: "A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris"
cads: I like the original interpretation
cads: it might be self selection bias but I notice none of these topless warriors are ugly - they're mostly slim and perky
ozbot: Femen Stages a 'Topless Jihad' - In Focus - The Atlantic
cads: this officer looks like he's seen some shit and this takes the cake 15
cads: A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris
cads: err
cads: wrong paste buffer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00086877 = 1.1294 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the fatty or the titless ?
cads: hey, has anyone studied Kolmogorov's classic "Foundations of Probability Theory"?
cazalla: at least they are against mudslimes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe.
cads: hmm
cads: "[..]"attention bonds," small warranties that some information will not be a waste of the recipient's time placed into escrow at the time of sending[..]"
cads: "receivers could cash in their bonds to signal to the sender that a given communication was a waste of their time or elect not to cash them in to signal that more communication would be welcome."
cads: this is a proposed system for reducing spam
cads: can we do this with bitcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9484 @ 0.00087274 = 8.2771 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so these are the stamps basically ?
cads: If you wanna comment on my blog, or drop a message in my website's inbox, say, you must give to an escrow
mircea_popescu: mail server automatically rejects all email that doesn't come with btc.
cads: then at any time I can exercise the right to claim the credits to punish spammers and trolls
cads: I dare not claim the credits of any valued readers
cads: lest my readership diminish
cads: it would be harder to implement for email but much easier for personal websites
mircea_popescu: the trilema credits system seems quite sufficient really.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9079 @ 0.00086793 = 7.8799 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086659 = 5.6328 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: never put into the blockchain that which you can handle on your own machines.
cads: drunk white redneck at an intersection next to a car full of black teenagers playing their music loud. Man starts arguing with the kids about the music, gets out of car. Argument ensues, man takes out gun an fires into the car. one kid is dead, the others uninjured.
cads: at trial the man's defense is that the kid menaced him with a gun. No gun is found at the scene and the defense argues that it is the state's burden to prove the gun was there.
cads: The jury convicts him on 3 counts of second degree attempted murder for the passengers
cads: and a count of firing into a vehicle
cads: but cannot come to a decision on the first degree murder charge against kid
cads: the judge instructs them that they may choose a lesser charge - 2nd degree, or manslaughter
cads: but they hang and a mistrial is declared
Namworld: Whut?
cads: this is a case for a shooting that happening in florida while the zimmerman trial/circus was going on
cads: a man named micheal dunn
cads: slimy looking redneck fuck if there was one...
cazalla: man needs a purple heart
Namworld: Looks like media can't cover stuff properly once again?
cads: Namworld: what you mean you're in the US?
cazalla: cads: you mean where they take a mugshot, which is likely the white mans worst day alive juxaposed with the nigras best day?
cazalla: too drunk to spell :\
Namworld: nope
Namworld: I'm not.
cads: fuck yourself cazalla of course they
cads: do
cads: what sort of stupid question is that
Namworld: All medias would do that.
cads: in the zimmerman trial you saw juxtapositions of zimmerman looking all wellkempt next to trayvon looking like a thug on one media source
cazalla: he was a thug
cads: and pictures of trayvon a couple years younger looking angelic, next to zimmerman looking like a pile of crap
cads: every black kid is a thug
cads: Namworld: you think this is international news?
cads: I don't see what would have made it hard to find him guilty of manslaughter
cazalla: cads: he came from a broken home, was wandering the streets at night, dealing drugs, it was only a matter of time until it happened
benkay: i kinda begin to see why satoshi banged the client like he did
benkay: banged the client *out*
cads: I also wonder if the other kids in the car would have had opportunity to hide the weapon
cazalla: not that i care for zimmerman but given the media made it a black vs white issue and that black on white violence is the real issue, i can't help but smile to see him 6 foot under
cads: if /my/ shooter just got killed
cads: the least I can do for him is take his tool
cads: and hide it from the cops
cads: give him some dignity, you know?
benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: odds on the satoshi hoard moving to an unspendable address?
cazalla: perhaps they should listen to their music without disturbing the peace of others?
cazalla: there is nothing more rude than someone who plays their music within earshot of others and is oblivious to just how poor their taste is
cads: cazalla: but listen to yourself blithely say "well maybe they shouldn't annoy people", juxtaposed with the fact that a child was slaughtered.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00086704 = 0.502 BTC [+]
cazalla: it is what it is
cads: if white kids annoyed people and some black dude did the deed what would happen
cazalla: it's too late to complain your loud music draws attention after the fact
Namworld: I mean zimmerman case was probably too covered vs other cases.
Namworld: I'm not in the US and I've heard about it.
cazalla: zimmerman was just a cheap shot at whites, anti-racism meaning anti-white type crap
cazalla: the perp need not even be white to make it a black vs white issue these days
cazalla: which is why i have little sympathy for shot up black hoodlums, they do a good enough job of killing each other than we don't even need to string them up these days
cazalla: (and i think i've had enough port for this evening)
cads: so we have racists in the channel?
cads: who else?
cads: lets take a tally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5418 @ 0.00087293 = 4.7295 BTC [+]
Namworld: I'll avoid voicing an opinion on a case I know little about.
jurov: ôôseens davout
jurov: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <davout> 2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex"
cads: the worst part about these cases is when you see these men become heros to these lowbrow whitefuk rednecks here stateside
cads: they want to be like zimmerman
cads: they CAN'T WAIT to put a slug in a nigger
cads: ooooh boy
cads: to do that and get away with it
cads: it's their drea
cads: m
cads: don't tell me it wouldn't fucking thrill you, cazalla
cads: to kill a little punk pygmy that's threating YOUR life
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to read my poem:
ozbot: The Letter Third pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
cazalla: it's a cheap thrill, i don't really care tbh, it occurs far away from me with people of which there are very few where i reside
mircea_popescu: benkay i have no idea.
cads: so killing someone to you is a "cheap thrill"
cads: but meh, you don't really care about it
mircea_popescu: i cant believe that thing is still a topic. srsly ?
mircea_popescu: who cares, some guy killed some guy.
cazalla: why are you so invested when 2 idiots find themselves in a situation no sensible person would, where 1 of them will die
cads: I mean ideally both idiots would be punished - one is already dead, and the other needs to get his. Not for some moral reason. Only to deter further idiots.
cazalla: why are you not up in arms about the countless nigras being shot up by other nigras, why are you so focused on zimmerman? because he is portrayed as white and it's in the media? i think that's the only reason
cads: when a black person shoots a black person he goes to jail
mircea_popescu: cads or maybe he should get a reward for punishing one idiot.
cads: these are children we're talking about.
mircea_popescu: you know a black idiot being punished for being an idiot isn't therefore being punished for being black.
mircea_popescu: apparently children can die as well as adults.
cads: better
mircea_popescu: probably even better.
cads: without leaving a trace
cazalla: teenagers aren't children
cads: legally a teenager is a child until 17 or 18
cazalla: you're being facetious now
cads: true
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cads: I actually consider even 22 year olds to be kids
mircea_popescu: teenager is not defined legally afaik.
mircea_popescu: cads pasty ass white kids are children at 39.
cads: because they still think like fucking kids
mircea_popescu: kids that grow up on the streets are adults at 12.
cads: if that's true try talking to one about a 401k
mircea_popescu: methinks his 401k will beat your dad's 401k.
mircea_popescu: hands down.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00297 = 0.1782 BTC [-]
cazalla: cads my point is this, a bunch of black teens driving around in an 82 corolla (thinking it's a 64 impala) blasting some rap music is going to attract the wrong type of attention, white man was stupid to react to it but this is how the world works
mircea_popescu: a particular facility to being taken advantage by the government is no particular qualification of maturity.
cads: my dad works 10 hour shifts
cads: he's too hardy for a 401k
mircea_popescu: well then you see my point.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00290146 = 0.6964 BTC [-] {6}
cads: cazalla: that's not making a point, that's the standard argument
cazalla: well quit suggesting they are innocent and share no blame in their own death
mircea_popescu: original sean!
cazalla: it's like women who dress slutty and cry rape, you can't step into a lions cage and then complain he ate you
mircea_popescu: what if she was dressed like a slut specifically for me ?
mircea_popescu: do you now have license to help yourself too ?
cazalla: if you extend that license to me, yes
mircea_popescu: but i do not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00022187 = 1.1094 BTC [-] {13}
mircea_popescu: that'd be a sight, rapist obtaining prior permission from the male owner of the slut.
mircea_popescu: "yoiur honor, this wasn't rape. i asked some guy if it's ok."
cads: add a transaction to the mix and you have a pimp
cazalla: if you grant permission but it's rape, surely you are not the owner
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i hear that's why the trezor kid got shot.
mircea_popescu: some jew guy made a pie, the black kid ate the pie
mircea_popescu: the jew went "omg wtf you ate my pie for!"
mircea_popescu: and the nigger went "dude it smelled good! if you didn't want me to eat it
mircea_popescu: you shouldn't have made it smell good."
mircea_popescu: and so the jew got angry and shot him/
mircea_popescu: and he got acquitted because the jury found the arguments unsavory.
cads: lesson is that women just need to start shooting their rapists
mircea_popescu: cads wouldn't that be rape ?
mircea_popescu: in that you know... the guy was trying to shoot it up her ?
mircea_popescu: they can, and they do.
cazalla: cads are you a sjw?
cads: sjw?
mircea_popescu: they just need an environment in which they feel safe and secure.
cazalla: social justice warrior
mircea_popescu: nah he's just a math geek.
mircea_popescu: they're a little touched.
cads: I do like to harass bigots though
cads: it's my own form of bigotry
cazalla: i was just about to ask that.. why are you bigotted against bigots
mircea_popescu: you mean you're intolerant with intolerance ?
chetty: bah you guys got no clue about rape
cazalla: btw cads, i'm fine with black people i have an acquataince with, it's the ones i don't that i'm suspect of, more so than whites i don't know
mircea_popescu: lol chetty epic statement.
mircea_popescu: cazalla youj know that's exactly what xenophobia is ?
cads: you think that if a black person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, or if a white person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, I don't prefer to be in the latter situation?
cads: even a black person prefers that
mircea_popescu: what srslky ?!@
cads: err
cads: wait a second
cads: I mean I prefer
cazalla: i am xenophobic
cazalla: but that doesn't bother me
mircea_popescu: i am honestly not getting you two.
chetty: rape has nothing to do with sex - you confuse the issues
mircea_popescu: it seriously makes no difference to me. wtf difference does it make ?
cads: chetty: I later realized that the women are also physically threatened and harmed/killed during rape
cads: (I was a kid when I wondered that)
mircea_popescu: hence my comment, re "they can and they do, provided they have a safe environment in which to enjoy it"
cazalla: what difference does it make?
cazalla: or is that directed at cads
mircea_popescu: at both of you.
mircea_popescu: i noticed this before, too, us people are fucking weird.
cazalla: i don't like foreigners coming into my country and upsetting the WASP ratio
cads: we'll argue for the joy of arguing
cazalla: if i get to know them on a 1 to 1 level, that's OK
cads: we're not particularly mean to each other even when we're insulting :D
mircea_popescu: i get in a bus, i sit with the black people, white people are all giving me wtf is this ?!?! looks
cads: cazalla: right, that's how I am too
mircea_popescu: black people are all omg this guy is like dangerous.
cazalla: i'd happily chant for the random black person to be shot, shout obscentities and then invite the black neighbour over for a bbq same day
cazalla: we don't really have black people in australia anyway
mircea_popescu: you're nuts already.
mircea_popescu: the only sane conclusion is that you've paid about 100x too much attention to this race thing.
mircea_popescu: perhaps 1000x
cazalla: yeah, reading too much /pol/ lately
cazalla: + drinking
mircea_popescu: da fuck difference does it make, even if you were in fucking somalia
mircea_popescu: most dudes there are you know, boring derps.
cazalla: yes i'm sure everyone is friendly to strangers in mogadishu
cads: cazalla: the thing about that is that is that's really some fuckshit, that's like having a gay friend over for a barbeque on saturday and secretly picketing with "GOD HATES FAGS" signs in sunday
cazalla: cads: that's me
cads: who would your friend think you were if he knew?
mircea_popescu: i'd expect he appreciates the prime trollage.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you ?
cads: if you don't really give a fuck what you fag ass friend thinks, what kind of friend can he be?
mircea_popescu: maybe scribble a Why So Srs on the back of the sign just in case you run into people you know.
cads: hahaha
cazalla: cads: because he isn't a stranger
mircea_popescu: a great friend, inasmuch as you don't give a shit what he thinks on retarded topics
mircea_popescu: it will encourage him to spend more time thinking of better stuff.
cads: what I'm saying is that how would he feel about his friend being part of a cause that is out to menace him and people like him?
mircea_popescu: menace my foot.
cazalla: cads: case in point, my wife has a gay friend + indian (immigrant) to boot! i don't like degenerate faggots or immigrants but i don't mind him coming over for dinner, holding my son etc, strange huh
mircea_popescu: god gives cancer to people he doesn't hate, too.
cads: cazalla: that's not strange, that's human
mircea_popescu: cazalla that's only because he's not fingering your son yet.
cads: there's that, neh :P
mircea_popescu: (that you know about)
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i keep a close eye on him, don't you worry about that
mircea_popescu: good thinking.
cazalla: he is never with my son unsupervised
mircea_popescu: just to be sure,
cazalla: and baby monitor is good excuse to listen to all conversation going on in the loungeroom anyway
mircea_popescu: you should finger him at all times.
cads: make sure you get the first impression
mircea_popescu: impaction.
cazalla: gay friend or son?
cads: the fatherly touch
mircea_popescu: it just struck me about 500 people will be reading this log sunday morning with a hangover
cazalla: baby shits everywhere so it isn't a problem
mircea_popescu: and decide they really need new friends.
punkman: what kind of trollbox did I walk into
cads: The... horror.
cazalla: i've had a bottle of tawny port so i'm just about done
cads: eh cazalla you're arrite
cads: mixed up white man
cads: but arrite
punkman: no hangover, but drinking shall commence in 5 min
cads: and counding.
cazalla: still suss on you cads
cazalla: a bit too sjw-ish for me
cads: I offer something SJWs can't
cazalla: anyone who runs to the defense of unnamed blacks and supposed rape victims is suspect to me
cads: redemption.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00086676 = 13.2614 BTC [-]
cads: and freedom from sin!
mircea_popescu: cazalla maybe he just hasn't gotten laid in a really long time
mircea_popescu: white knighting is in white man's genes.
cazalla: maybe i haven't.. fucking kid and breast feeding :\
cazalla: i swear to god i never knew breast feeding could fuck up a good pair of tits in 5 weeks
mircea_popescu: how's getting laid prevent you from breastfeeding ?
mircea_popescu: there's other positions than doggy style you know
cazalla: "don't touch them" "they are too sensitive" "no i'm still sore from pregnancy for sex" "i'm tired" etc etc
mircea_popescu: spank her
cazalla: nah, gonna go to a gentlemans room soon
cads: and spank something else
mircea_popescu: what's the point of having gentlemen's rooms in australia ?
cazalla: no-one wants saggy tits with sour milk stained shirt :\
mircea_popescu: for tourists like ?
cazalla: although our son seems to love em
cazalla: nfi, never been to one
mircea_popescu: no wonder.
cazalla: we had plenty of sex prior to pregnancy and birth
cazalla: cads: he has blue eyes and blonde hair btw, couldn't be prouder
mircea_popescu: from an indian guy ?!
mircea_popescu: that must be rare.
cazalla: lol
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cads: a handsome young Aryan I'm sure
cads: cazalla: you're a new dad? congrats
cazalla: ty cads
jurov: congrats, too. but don't spoil him :)
mircea_popescu: well maybe a little.
cazalla: that'll depend on bitcoin over the years to come
cads: :D
cazalla: i'll be sure to tell him to check his bitcoin privilege
cazalla: anyway, i'm off to bed
cazalla: it is interesting that when sober, i only lurk/read
cazalla: few drinks and i spew all sorts of bullshit :\
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ozbot: Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism.
cads: heck, I have all of the dark tetrad
cads: and you know the best trolls honestly think they're not trolling
cads: blah the article blatantly ignores the self reporting bias in requiring trolls to identify as trolls
jurov: troll and proud
cads: but it's significant that self identifying trolls still scored horribly
cads: so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test"
jurov: but really, do any non-narcissistic, well-aligned, non-machhiavellistic people exist?
jurov: afaik if they do, then they only lurk
cads: I dunnno I think trolls are free riders
cads: if you're a sadist you need to pay for your entertainment like the rest us
cads: trolls will be ejected from the dialog space soon.
cads: and will come back with more refined tactics
cads: as I am.
cads: we shall evolve
cads: we shall revise.
cads: we are legion ;)
jurov: since when the sadists must pay?
mircea_popescu: <cads> so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test" << what the fuck does slate know.
mircea_popescu: “debating issues that are important to you,” “chatting with others,” “making new friends,” “trolling others,” and “other.”
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mircea_popescu: most fucktarded set of options ever.
cads: I have sent people to shock websites for the lulz.
cads: I like to troll people in forums or the comments section of websites.
cads: The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt.
mircea_popescu: "hi r retarded" "hi i am 12 and where does dildo go ?" "sanity" and "other"
cads: some people actually agree with such statements
mircea_popescu: you sound like the something awful crowd.
cads: sick people :P
cads: like us! :D
cads: those three lines I posted were from the slate article
cads: as examples of troll sentiments
cads: I've been sending people to goatse.cx since I was 13
cads: tubgirl, etc.
cads: not lots of people, mostly friends
cads: and irc peers
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cads: I like trolling particularly bad arguments on, god help me, facebook and youtube comments
cads: and who doesn't love corrupting the innocent?
mircea_popescu: i trolled a guy right here, and he enjoyed it.
mircea_popescu: your weaksauce sjwing not as much.
cads: beh fuck your guys' face with y'all white people acronyms
cads: rednecks
cads: ;)
mircea_popescu: wait, you're black too ?
cads: no
mircea_popescu: this place's really gone downhill.
mircea_popescu: "Once upon a time, there was an enchanted prince, who ruled the land beyond the wobbles. One day, he discovered a spot on his face. Foolishly, he ignored it...and three years later, he died of cancer. The spot, however, flourished, and soon set out to seek its fortune."
cads: "The game is essentially an abstract synthesis of all arts and sciences. It proceeds by players making deep connections between seemingly unrelated topics."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so orlov finally found costa rica huh
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07 = 2.24 BTC [+]
Namworld: In Canada, people don't seem to care about immigrants. They all mix like it doesn't matter. I overheard someone at my old job say how he liked it so much more here than in the US because people weren't looking at him and less discrimination or something.
Namworld: Yet it doesn't seem like there's much difference between US and Canada to me in the culture.
cads: well there's a big difference even across the US
Namworld: Yes, guess it depends on the area.
Namworld: I'm in Montreal. I suppose that has some good on what I experience.
cads: wanna see a heat map of the geotagged tweets in the US using the word "nigger" in a negative sentiment?
Namworld: Sounds like fun
cads: the data was normalized according to total twitter traffic
cads: lemme find the actual interactive map
cads: that lets you see the geography of all sorts of slurs
Namworld: Would be nice to have a population map too to put that in perspective.
mircea_popescu: fascinating : exactly the areas where black people live.
Namworld: That data too
mircea_popescu: cads how would you trust the negative sentiment detection ?
ozbot: Hate Map
Namworld: Overlayed
cads: mircea_popescu: they paid students to manually code the statements for sentiment
cads: a little flaky but much better than automated sentiment detection, imo
mircea_popescu: unless trolling
cads: right
cads: hopefully they blinded the kids enough to the geographic location that at least the overall shape is right
cads: mircea_popescu: actually
cads: the hate is /outside/ where blacks live
mircea_popescu: yeah it's at the north border of the space acually
cads: in little pods that correspond to high class suburbs or medium density rural
cads: and it drops off dramatically in the west, even for populated centers
cads: ie, LA has little proportion of the twitter bandwidth dedicated to "nigger"
mircea_popescu: californians lie.
mircea_popescu: your penny an hour students simple aren't sufficiently intellectually perverse to pick up on californian negative sentiment
cads: ahaah
cads: it would be hard to false positive a negative example of "nigger" :D
cads: there are a couple slurs in there like gook that are distributed in ways that seem completely arbitrary
mircea_popescu: i doubt you missed my point.
cads: I thought it was a jibe :)
cads: you're saying racist sentiment from white californians simply won't use the word 'nigger'
cads: which I'd grant you ten fold :D
cads: and indeed, this test has no way to protect against that
cads: hehe, the redneck that's been arguing against me on this one will enjoy your theory
cads: maybe it's better to be surrounded by idiots that yell slurs than by smooth talking devils in suits
cads: one can take the latter group as chumps
cads: and lead them around by nose rings
cads: maybe not so for californians!
cads: err
cads: former group!
mircea_popescu: my experience with racism is that it's usually the problem of the people concerned with it.
cads: people affected by it mostly don't understand how it affects them
mircea_popescu: mno. people who spend a lot of time thinking about it end up being fucking weird.
mircea_popescu: people who couldn't care less generally aren't a problem to anyone.
mircea_popescu: i would say that your average "sensitive" idiot is about twice as noxious as your average "racist".
cads: I do like to bait them :P
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mircea_popescu: me too, but i kinda enjoy the first set more.
cads: keep in mind I and my brothers grew up here with a crappy accent as the cabbage eating weird kids that got picked on for our religion and culture
cads: remember romania is the mexico of europe to americans.
cads: so I've got some well placed hate for bigots and I'm okay with that for now
mircea_popescu: lol derp.
mircea_popescu: i don't think any us citizen alive today could pick out a romanian from a line-up if his anal virginity depended on it
chetty: really?
mircea_popescu: and you got picked out for being socially awkward and sexually unconvincing, not for "culture"
mircea_popescu: awkwardness is not culture.
cads: I'm not talking about in my adolescence, I'm talking about as a kid
mircea_popescu: picked on by who ?
mircea_popescu: well were they adults or other kids ?
cads: just kids and neighborhood bullies really
mircea_popescu: so other kids. socially awkward and sexually unconvincing.
mircea_popescu: what, you think sexual traits suddenly manifest at 18 ?
cads: well obviously socially ackward
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cads: that's the fucking point, you're acting like people can't fucking treat socially ackward people with some fucking respect
cads: and I know that's false
cads: since people more or less treat me with respect despite my ackwardness
mircea_popescu: they can't.
mircea_popescu: the point is to help them overcome their issues.
mircea_popescu: this needs incentives.
mircea_popescu: "the beatings will continue until morale improves."
cads: I mean, a black kid in an all white classroom will be ackward. A boy with a vaganapenis will be ackward. A girl that wears a headdress is going to feel ackward.
mircea_popescu: just because people have meanwhile stopped giving a shit about you and your overall health and well being doesn't mean the people that used to care were wrong.
cads: why does it have to be an overburdening feeling though?
mircea_popescu: it's just meanwhile you live in a different sort of society, which is dispersed and disinterested.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't. it's up to them not to be.
cads: so by your counsel, would it have been up to the slaves to accept the burden, and would it have been your advice simply improve morale till the situation changes or you're lynched.
cads: ?
mircea_popescu: no useful slave was ever lynched.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it is up to whoever to live his life, as his life is, rather than derp about how it should be.
mircea_popescu: i get it, everyone's special and dragons and the wrong gender and in the wrong time and insufficiently lottery winning.
mircea_popescu: not particularly interesting.
cads: so if someone is slandering you do you "derp about how it should be" or do you taking fucking recourse?
cads: or do you... "live your life" while your reputation is slandered?
mircea_popescu: well you may be inclined to review my record as the most slandered guy in the history of btc :)
cads: and take no offense or defense
Namworld: Had that in primary, living in the suburbs. Black kid in all white classroom. Had very few black people for the whole school.
cads: mircea_popescu: if I ever rape you in an alley one day you will limp back home, paste your asshole back together with some dabs of superglue and then tell no one and seek no revenge.
Namworld: Can't seem to recall any awkwardness to it.
cads: with that philosophy I can have you asshole when I want.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'll shoot you, what.
cads: that's the philosophy you want opressed kids to take
mircea_popescu: maybe you're the one getting raep'd.
mircea_popescu: no, that's just the strawman you find convenient lol
cads: well that's my point, you have built in recourse and you know how to exercise it
mircea_popescu: so do they, so can they. let them.
cads: you say you have it because you deserve it
cads: but you have it because you've been handed it
mircea_popescu: and if i have a business i didn't build that business ?
mircea_popescu: thank you obama for bitcoin and handing me mpex.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i owe tax nao too right ?
cads: you're saying if you were a nigger guinea you would have mpex.
cads: gtfo
mircea_popescu: i am a romanian in romania dood.
mircea_popescu: think it through.
cads: right, for the first thing you'd probably have been born in africa.
cads: good luck from that start.
mircea_popescu: i'd have been pretty much the same born whenever and wherever.
cads: born into the family of a destitute mother that couldn't feed you properly the first few years of your life?
cads: born into the family that lived in bitter poverty and taught you to take everything you can from the dole?
mircea_popescu: what makes you think i coud have been born to a destitute mother that couldn't feed me properly ?
mircea_popescu: what, we're equal nao ?
mircea_popescu: people aren't interchangeable.
cads: the part that really gets me is not that you can't imagine yourself as an average black person, weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense beliefs about finance and law and white people and everyone being out to get you
mircea_popescu: why am i not an average romanian weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense belief romanias get ?
mircea_popescu: what, you think blacks invented stupidity or soemthing ?
cads: but mostly that you think someone of your talent would get to the same place in life no matter what initial condition
mircea_popescu: this is exactly true.
mircea_popescu: the derpage about "conditions" is a very weak excuse.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who buys it, but judging by how often it needs to be repeated i would guess no one
cads: mircea_popescu: because you're not sampled from the sample space of romanians. You're sampled from the sample space of humans. You need to be concerned about the average expected outcome of humans if only because that's essential to collaborative solutions to problems.
mircea_popescu: what's the average gender of the human race ?
mircea_popescu: you're a clever guy, you know at least the basics of where statistics is meaningfully usable and where it isn't.
cads: hrm, is there no revolutionary effort you will have joined simply because you disagree with the way things are for a group of people you care about?
mircea_popescu: i have been at the forefront of fucking revolutionary effort lol.
mircea_popescu: that's the difference, i speak of things i know, you speak of things you dream and imagine. unflattering as that may sound.
cads: yeah that's a criticism I don't take lightly.
cads: and you can stop with any further expounding of that line now.
mircea_popescu: well, so you ever been in a revolution ?
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean on facebook, i mean with a gun.
cads: the closes to that is some underground cryptoanarchist stuff and some occupy bullshit, nothing with a gun.. yet, neh?
mircea_popescu: ok so then, if it's not your experience, why is it your preoccupation ?
cads: both efforts fell apart into violence and fighting with nothing I could do
cads: I mean, I went to rallies, I marched on board meetings, it was fun
cads: two friends in the 'movement' got into a fight at a rally
mircea_popescu: yes yes but my objection here is that you allow surogates to populate your mental forest.
mircea_popescu: which is in principle an evil.
cads: and police descended on them, broke bones, femur, put them in the hospital
mircea_popescu: a revolution is when you break the bones of the police
mircea_popescu: not the other way around.
mircea_popescu: this is the key aspect here. not that there is violence,
cads: exactly
mircea_popescu: but that the only limit to the violence is your own consicence.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, everyone can go straight off to the guillotine.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i'ma be off. we shall debate moar later!
cads: maybe I'll adress the mental forest thing, since I don't think you're entirely wrong, and I know it.
chetty: careful, MP's strange ideas grow on you
cads: it's the classic romanian "you know theory but you don't know practice" attack "o ai cu teoria. Dar practica te omoare." classic because every romanian has heard it from every other romanian they know, in one situation or another.
cads: Righteous Lecturing is actually Romania's official national past time, as I'm sure MP would acknowledge from his experiences with family, teachers, politicians, etc. :D
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00087531 = 12.5616 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12256 = 0.6128 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: you are Romanian too cads?
cads: obviously not by choice :)
cads: how about you? what's your culture?
chetty: haha well I guess Romanain by choice would work - at least for the moment
cads: live in RO?
cads: or abroad?
cads: oh no
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cads: I just saw lawrence fishbourne do a Kia commercial in his Morpheus charachter!
cads: Had two sets of keys, one in each hand
chetty: live in RO atm
cads: he was a valet for christ sakes, and offers the driver the choice of two keys
cads: the driver picks the kia. the matrix is real.
chetty: course it is, was there ever any doubt?
cads: chetty: as if the second and third movies were not progressively worse scams, I am just hoping we don't see neo dodging... bad insurance quotes or something...
cads: "Geico. Whoa."
cads: let me keep at least /some/ piece of media holy and pure in my thoughts, I say!
chetty: I never watch sequels ..or TV, bad for your health (mental)
cads: ^ this is a rapidly fading desire
cads: right
cads: I've learned to stop caring and throw myself into the long tail without any exterior curator
cads: future shock is a bitch sometimes though
cads: chetty: I mostly watch commericals, sound turned off, to study the visual rhetoric
cads: kinda perverse, I know... I don't do this much... stuff like the superbowl, or when I'm chilling on the couch with friends watching something
cads: I sanitize all the advertisements from my internet experience though, and get the large majority of my AV content from pirate channels
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;ticker --market mtgox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.3295, Best ask: 252.6, Bid-ask spread: 2.27050, Last trade: 249.47, 24 hour volume: 78979.07331245, 24 hour low: 247.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 333.23091
FabianB_: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 248.5, vol: 78869.04776296 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 633.0, vol: 16702.98226469 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.9, vol: 10841.20438 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 636.3, vol: 9196.50560524 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 655.01, vol: 44.65753383 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 635.753811, vol: 6328.89500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 381.946016093
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19433 @ 0.00087536 = 17.0109 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00087523 = 21.8808 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: dat ticker!
ThickAsThieves: yknow it would be really sad if gox opened and their users were buying up cheap coins and thus benefited from it's idiocy
ThickAsThieves: i guess omeone has to play the losing end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087144 = 8.0172 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: anyone good at poker here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25594 @ 0.00087554 = 22.4086 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i hear some magic the gathering players are good at it
PsychoticBoy_: wanna buy a black lotus?
PsychoticBoy_: beta
PsychoticBoy_: got more old magic cards
PsychoticBoy_: ;)
ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunately, new research suggests that's not the case — trolls' personalities correlate highly with sadism. "
ThickAsThieves: "A new study by Erin Buckels and her colleagues at the University of Manitoba found that trolls' personalities are strongly linked to personality traits that form what some psychologists call the Dark Tetrad: sadism, narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism."
chetty: good description of this chan
ThickAsThieves: not enough isms though
ThickAsThieves: for example, contrarianism ^
MisterE: whales are this is all over IRC today
MisterE: opps
ThickAsThieves: is that your brain wallet?
MisterE: already had some text inthe input line
MisterE: was gonna say whales are manipulating big time today
MisterE: and separately that the study is being talked about in many channels I'm in
ThickAsThieves: it's an imporrant development, learning trolls like to troll cuz theyre assholes
ThickAsThieves: another popular topic this morning, "how do i get cash into Gox quickly?"
ThickAsThieves: no wonder trolls exist...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00087659 = 6.9689 BTC [+]
chetty: in fairness there are also trolls that make you think - a lot of folks find that painful too
ThickAsThieves: i wont accept that all conflicting conversatinis trolling
deadweasel: i disagree :P
deadweasel: hi ThickAsThieves, morning
deadweasel: too much warm sake last night, with slices of jackfruit and vietnamese waitresses.
deadweasel: the grammar makes it seem like i'm eating slices of vietnamese waitresses. that was not the case.
ThickAsThieves: slices of waitresses?
ozbot: Just got an email from mt.gox : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i like the first comment
ThickAsThieves: i guess the kickstarter security leak data is being used to log into gox?
ThickAsThieves: pretty awesome
deadweasel: plunder that place senseless!
ThickAsThieves: hack sucker site #1 for obv access to sucker site #2
ThickAsThieves: "dont worry your funds arent going anywhere"
ozbot: Hundreds trapped in South African gold mine - Africa - Al Jazeera English
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 2000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 1222350.0727 USD and would take the last price down to 603.4600 USD, resulting in an average price of 611.1750 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 170.4864 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --mtgox 2000
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 2000 --mtgox
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
pankkake: ;;market sell --market mtgox 2000
gribble: MtGox | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 443737.1817 USD and would take the last price down to 207.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 221.8686 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0645 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12164 @ 0.00087695 = 10.6672 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.070399 = 0.2112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.070399 = 0.2816 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07011 = 0.2804 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: coinion.com/news/world/2014/02/more-than-2000-bitcoin-miners-trapped-over-huge-diff-increase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1736 @ 0.00087695 = 1.5224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10915 @ 0.00087659 = 9.568 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+]
ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 81 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.7724% in 0d 10h 50m 43s
ozbot: Long Term Update: 3 days chart at Bitstamp | Bitcoin Trading Signals
ThickAsThieves: Enky makes good posts
ThickAsThieves: in case you guys dont already follow him
ThickAsThieves: although his prediction of $200 on bitstamp is hard to digest
ThickAsThieves: wait i read that wrong
ThickAsThieves: he meant -$200
kakobrekla: he is here under Enky2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087735 = 15.222 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: still waiting for my btc withdrawal from OpenEx...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 46 @ 0.19376446 = 8.9132 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: according to their chatbox there are people complaining too
ThickAsThieves: i didnt even see the chatbox heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07504333 = 0.9005 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: these elastic designs arent always practical for large monitors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00024751 = 0.495 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00087739 = 18.4252 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2011 @ 0.00024762 = 0.498 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00557526 = 0.3847 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.067108 = 0.3355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
the20year1: dang, gox is 270
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.125 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: dont listen to rap kids
ozbot: BBC News - Man guilty of 'loud music' shootings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087739 = 6.9314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.0008782 = 10.4409 BTC [+] {2}
Bugpowder: Interesting... MPEX options exercise is not executing at the bitcoincharts.com price.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00087882 = 23.9918 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24855 @ 0.00087915 = 21.8513 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0002469 = 1.2345 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00024764 = 1.2382 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19450 @ 0.00024888 = 4.8407 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 623 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1557 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07076966 = 0.2123 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57499899 = 1.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1666 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00565493 = 0.9953 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569999 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {4}
FabianB_: Bugpowder: what's it executing at instead?
Bugpowder: Your order to exercise 1 O.USD.P500T contracts has been received and will be executed. This will net you 0.83109870 BTC.
Bugpowder: So about $535.
Bugpowder: Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down.
FabianB_: that's more like the 7 days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 556 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00087693 = 15.1709 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07228571 = 1.012 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76594243 BTC to 1`841 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
deadweasel: hey nubbins`
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.43004790 BTC to 9`595 shares, 4482 satoshi per share
nubbins`: what's the haps?
nubbins`: oooooof
nubbins`: "my blue jeans and tucked-in t-shirt will make this sword look even more realistic"
KRS-One: lol what an infant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7541 @ 0.0008793 = 6.6308 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he hasnt changed like at all
ThickAsThieves: just rounder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0672 = 0.2688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087563 = 13.4847 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00087942 = 14.4225 BTC [+] {3}
deadweasel: is that a current pic
deadweasel: of magicaltwat?
kakobrekla: from the latest facebook update.
Bugpowder: nice form
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.05823982 = 2.912 BTC [-] {17}
deadweasel: oh my.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087707 = 13.463 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06723333 = 0.4034 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.002963 = 0.1333 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00087707 = 22.9354 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 48 @ 0.12210834 = 5.8612 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: waitwhat - the fat man carries a sword?
kakobrekla: dunno, perhaps its a magic the gathering thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.19376446 = 5.8129 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: my first thought was, it's against angry creditors
Bugpowder: Tux rubs his +4 longsword of summoning... A venté vanilla chai latte appears!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002963 = 0.2963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087676 = 14.1597 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00087607 = 0.5694 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.002963 = 0.5689 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087625 = 28.3905 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07256999 = 3.6285 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07299999 = 0.803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00087882 = 24.1236 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.073 = 1.679 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06714 = 0.3357 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: $600 stamp
Bugpowder: My buddy is at that firm
Bugpowder: heheh
Bugpowder: I'm getting itchy... wanna buy on coinbase.
kakobrekla: ritchy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 198 @ 0.073 = 14.454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7799 @ 0.00087546 = 6.8277 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: bugpowder, youre a buyer in the 500s?
Bugpowder: haven't pulled trigger yet.
Bugpowder: thinking about an entry tho
ThickAsThieves: was thinking same, but seems like it could go to 565
Bugpowder: might just start scaling in.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.073 = 4.38 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: last buy I made was at $700 a month or two ago.
ThickAsThieves: hard to predict what will happen if gox opens too
Bugpowder: price goes up
Bugpowder: not that hard to predict
ThickAsThieves: and then down?
ThickAsThieves: on stasmp
Bugpowder: it think it rallies everywhere
ThickAsThieves: yeah at first
ThickAsThieves: i guess thats all we need
Bugpowder: I'm not a trader so... I don't really care about the next 3 months
Bugpowder: Just want lowest entry
ThickAsThieves: i trade but go long when i get stuck :)
Bugpowder: some defense of 600 at stamp
ThickAsThieves: with a small portion of coins really
Bugpowder: Did u see that options exercise is happening at the wrong price?
FabianB: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 247.0, vol: 83120.16093865 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 610.0, vol: 23766.41845250 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.999, vol: 16671.38148 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 609.5, vol: 11813.83308207 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 641.0, vol: 68.53288743 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 623.844733, vol: 8032.04500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 397.308574612
ThickAsThieves: well "wrong" depends on who you ask ;)
FabianB: it's supposed to ask bitcoincharts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: the bottom is in!
Bugpowder: missed it :(
ThickAsThieves: waitll tonight or tomorrow
ThickAsThieves: when gox says "sike!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00087994 = 47.1648 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00218173 = 0.9818 BTC [+]
benkay: "but the supreme court dismissed their fear as 'speculative'"
benkay: hm. maybe start a consulting company around "secure international comms"
benkay: sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup.
benkay: defo gotta leave the us before doing that.
asciilifeform: benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00088041 = 18.2245 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: the kind of idiots who don't know about cardanos to begin with.
pankkake: put a half eaten fruit on it
asciilifeform: i imagine there will be 1,000 of these once the plans are published.
benkay: asciilifeform: the cardanos come free with the implementation package for your two organizations.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00087531 = 8.1763 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: one problem with this scheme is, as far as i can see, in order to want a cardano in the first place one needs a modicum of brains.
benkay: this is the enterprise sales problem.
benkay: there are fifty people over there - and only one with a checkbook and the brains to recognize a solution that needs implementing, frequently attended by much organizational resistance to doing anything.
benkay: nevertheless, that law firm needs some cardanos and training on how to use them.
benkay: besides they get to mark up the time spent fucking around with encryption to their clients - it's a win win win win win!
asciilifeform: if you personally can make this happen, talk to mp!
asciilifeform: the folks you're talking about might be a hard sell. they'd need to be talked out of their addiction to 'standards-compliant' (read: u.s.-diddled) turdware.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
benkay: if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though.
benkay: although...
benkay: so the flipside of the additiction to 'standards-compliant' is that now some people in big cushy chairs are finally getting the idea that their standards are just a backdoor for the us of a.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00087413 = 17.7448 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: there is another, trickier problem that must be finessed.
asciilifeform: the clever ones will be very suspicious of anything presented as a pill against usg.
asciilifeform: on the other hand, witness all the lost souls salivating over 'silent circle' and related crap.
benkay: there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security.
asciilifeform: the 'good cop bad cop' algorithm is as old as mankind.
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: .bait
twizt: pretty slow bait
KRS-One: wtf is that? ONE boob?
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: fuck yea
Mats_cd03: could anyone recommend a reputable whois privacy service
KRS-One: Safenames
KRS-One: teh best i ever found as a sysadmin
nubbins`: few better ways to spend a sunday than calculating your net worth while enjoying a large mug of aeropress coffee
Mats_cd03: thx qt
benkay: eyo nubbins`
nubbins`: oh hi
benkay: BingoBoingo's nominally gathering up the satoshi letters
benkay: you should enbookify 'em
KRS-One: oh wow aeropress is much less acidic
nubbins`: the satoshi letters?
benkay: but subject of coffee, y'all ever fuck with the clever brewer?
nubbins`: KRS-One, it's what got me drinking black.
Mats_cd03: lol 'the satoshi letters'
KRS-One: wow black rly
KRS-One: is it plasic or glass? I hate plastic
benkay: nubbins`: yeah all of the things that szabo/satoshi wrote over the past 5 years or so
nubbins`: benkay: haven't tried the clever, but i do enjoy a good pour-over
nubbins`: benkay, i'd publish that
benkay: nubbins`: what i love about the clever is that it combines the extraction time of the french press with the filtering of the pour over
benkay: super precision coffee making
KRS-One: wiki doesnt say if aeropress is glass or plastic
benkay: it's plastic.
benkay: everything's plastic.
KRS-One: i'm a coffee snob
KRS-One: heat + plastic doesnt work well with me
KRS-One: plastic in fucken general
benkay: FUKKEN PLASTIC
nubbins`: aeropress is great
nubbins`: guy who invented the aerobie made it
KRS-One: ever drink water out of a plastic bottle? u can taste it
KRS-One: u cant tell me thats not bad for u
nubbins`: not sure offhand what type of plastic it's made from
benkay: hey KRS-One there are a bunch of different kinds of plastics
benkay: but hiding from them all in fear is a pretty safe approach.
KRS-One: whoever is in charge of plastic can shove them all up his ass.
KRS-One: Sorry I just have a thing about plastic.
nubbins`: don't be sorry
KRS-One: i think its killing us
nubbins`: remember when everyone thought BPA was safe?
nubbins`: "oh whoops it's not lel sorry"
KRS-One: yeah
Mats_cd03: i consume 500ug of bpa every day
Mats_cd03: it makes me feel normal
KRS-One: what do u get it from
nubbins`: anyway, copolyester is what the aeropress is made of
KRS-One: nubbins`: thats better
KRS-One: it holds up to heat ok?
nubbins`: yeah, i brew at 80C
nubbins`: have been using one for ~3 years now, no signs of degradation
benkay: the clever's seal blows out after about 3 years of constant use
kakobrekla: yeah i need to get one of thsoe to try it out
nubbins`: "The AeroPress is made of three different plastics. The clear chamber and plunger are made of copolyester. The hard black filter cap, filter holder, funnel, and stirrer are made of polypropylene. The rubber like seal on the end of the plunger is made of a thermoplastic elastomer. All of these materials are FDA approved for use in contact with food. None of these materials contain bisphenol-A
nubbins`: (BPA) or any phthalates, chemicals that have been in the news lately because of possible health effects."
nubbins`: we have two ;(
nubbins`: as long as you don't store the aeropress with the plunger compressed, it should last forever
KRS-One: what do they have against glass and stainless steel?
KRS-One: more elegant
benkay: so make one
KRS-One: for instance, to smoke herb out of a nice ROOR Bong is a completely different experience than a fricken plastic one.
nubbins`: that link i pasted actually talks about glass and metal
nubbins`: consider that if ROOR made an aeropress it'd probably cost $200
kakobrekla: i thought we were past foodstamps here
nubbins`: and although you could probably throw it at a brick wall without breaking, that's probably not enough to justify the cost
kakobrekla: o wait
kakobrekla: ;;ticker --market mtgox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.40967, Best ask: 246.995, Bid-ask spread: 2.58533, Last trade: 246.995, 24 hour volume: 85327.37931997, 24 hour low: 220.29327, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 308.78456
KRS-One: they are cheap
kakobrekla: nevermind that.
KRS-One: $25 USD on ThinkGeek
KRS-One: I shall try one
nubbins`: don't bother with a spare pack of filters, they give you like 300
KRS-One: wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00087262 = 13.831 BTC [-]
nubbins`: fair warning, they suggest you use a large number of beans per cup
nubbins`: like 2x what you'd use for drip
benkay: that's always struck me as an indicator of inefficiency
nubbins`: compensates for the 30 second brew time
nubbins`: you can get away with using less, tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10354 @ 0.00087262 = 9.0351 BTC [-]
nubbins`: the aeropress actually makes an "espresso-like concentrate", that you then top up with hot water
nubbins`: inventor ragequit the coffeegeek forums after a months-long argument about whether it's "espresso" or not :D
kakobrekla: well its pressed and its express
kakobrekla: how can it not be espresso
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55000481 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: whats worse than audio geeks? coffee nerds
kakobrekla: what you get so stoned you cant hold your bong anymore?
nubbins`: kakobrekla, the lel is that those bongs cost several hundred dollars apiece
nubbins`: and it's assumed that their owners are just going to start dropping them off tables etc
kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: what's worse than people who like things? people who don't think you should like the things you like
nubbins`: kakobrekla, +!
nubbins`: +1 even
benkay: nubbins`: 'cause i really want my house smelling of bong water.
Mats_cd03: i like coffee, thc, and pussy
kakobrekla: well, its a saying, tell me who you hang out with and ill tell you who you are
Mats_cd03: i dont go on forums and post walls of text about any of those though
kakobrekla: pretty much same goes for , tell me what you like and ill tell you if you are a retard
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: unsure if i should offer congratulations
Mats_cd03: i guess i'm a consumer
Mats_cd03: not a connoiseur though
nubbins`: kakobrekla: i like bitcoin, coffee, bicycles, and printing
kakobrekla: you are fine
kakobrekla: except for the mac thing.
benkay: he's also a filthy pothead
pankkake: but printing is evil!
dub: i like white wimminz
Mats_cd03: printing steals jobs from hard working bangladeshis and chinese
nubbins`: right, yeah, i like my laptop and drugs, too
Mats_cd03: (we're talking about 3d printing here right)
nubbins`: nah, 2d printing
nubbins`: what the fuck is 3d printing
kakobrekla: and those stupid cas coins.
nubbins`: yes, those stupid coins too
kakobrekla: you are not fine!
benkay: so kakobrekla nubbins` retarded or not?
nubbins`: did i tell you i sold one of those for 6btc recently? :0
kakobrekla: benkay its a hard case.
nubbins`: borderline retarded
kakobrekla: bikes coffee and bitcoin aint bad.
kakobrekla: mp would argue with the bike thing.
nubbins`: sure, but we're not all vulgar enough to have a driver cart us around ;p
benkay: hey d_rebel what's your deal
benkay: d_rebel why u change names constantly
Mats_cd03: what does cas come loaded with? 5btc?
nubbins`: Mats_cd03, there are a variety of denominations, from 0.1btc to 1000btc
kakobrekla: any they are _all_ useless pretty much
nubbins`: well don't tell that to the guy who paid 6btc for one loaded with 0.5btc
benkay: BWAT
d_rebel: i have no idea why that's happening.
kakobrekla: dafuq
nubbins`: it was an especially low mintage.
benkay: you crazy numismatists
kakobrekla: you mean especially retarded fella
nubbins`: well yes, that too
Mats_cd03: robbed
benkay: scammer!
nubbins`: hey, fuck you guys
benkay: nubbins` u scamzor!
nubbins`: he knew what he was buying
benkay: so do all pmb purchasers
nubbins`: no they don't
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kakobrekla: !b 10
benkay: nubbins` you just lost the moral high ground.
kakobrekla: maybe needs more contxt, ill decide later
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kakobrekla: !b 30
nubbins`: "assuming network difficulty stays the same..."
nubbins`: benkay, there's moral high ground in here?
nubbins`: pmb purchasers think "hey, mining = win" and the sellers say "assuming diff doesn't change..."
Mats_cd03: KRS-One: how is whoisguard compared to safenames
benkay: "assuming this mintage is worth more than the underlying in the future"
kakobrekla: wasnt nubbing nagging someone couple of days or weeks ago
nubbins`: numismatic collectors think "hey, this will be worth more money in the future" and sellers say "maybe, dunno"
kakobrekla: re high moral grounds n stuffs
benkay: face it man we're all just dancing around trying to fuck each other
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
nubbins`: kakobrekla, i was giving tat grief over his rubecoin and pmb
Mats_cd03: id fuck you
benkay: yeah he's been banging on about pmbs being a scam
kakobrekla: ah yes .
pankkake: scammers scamming scammers
benkay: hasn't had the stones to call mp out on the same scam tho
kakobrekla: which one is that
nubbins`: f.pure.synth
nubbins`: AFAICT that was a scam too
nubbins`: just offered at a better rate than other similar scams
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00569999 = 0.3306 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: it's allllll just paper.
benkay: whether it's fancy paper with imaginary value now, or metal stamped paper with imaginary value in the future.
Chris_Sabian_: what about TAT?
nubbins`: anyway, all the info on f.pure.synth seems to be gone
nubbins`: so i wasn't able to suss out many details
benkay: it's not terribly complex. it's a pmb.
nubbins`: sure, but it was somehow tied into another pmb
benkay: that'n
ozbot: [GLBSE] PureMining: Infinite-term, deterministic mining bond
nubbins`: yeah, it was essentially offering the same returns as that
nubbins`: but for a lower price
benkay: point is - life is a scam.
nubbins`: that's one outlook, yes
nubbins`: life's a scam, so you better try to get yours!
benkay: that's your play with the coins, certainly.
benkay: it's not a requirement.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32094 @ 0.00087453 = 28.0672 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: you'd be surprised the margins i get on most of these coins
benkay: great scam!
benkay: great margins.
kakobrekla: amazing profit
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: unfortunately, getting 6btc for a coin that cost ~1.2btc is a very rare thing
mircea_popescu: good evening gents
nubbins`: more common to get ~0.1
nubbins`: evening
Apocalyptic: evening mircea
benkay: i get where you're coming from nubbins`, really i do
benkay: but bitcoins is fukken dangerous.
nubbins`: no argument there
benkay: not toys
mircea_popescu: bitcoins killd my auntie.
benkay: not 'consumer tech'
mircea_popescu: consumer tech also killed my auntie.
benkay: i suppose this is why normal humans aren't allowed to buy fancy paper in the us
benkay: they might get ripped off if they're not really smart and careful!
benkay: but there's 0.01% of people that are smart
asciilifeform: consumer tech demo
benkay: and 0.01% of people that are careful
ozbot: Monkey shooting in black with AK-47 (Kalashnikov) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: ripped off by the wrong people, even!
nubbins`: fancy paper
mircea_popescu: whoa it can handle the recoil ?
benkay: that makes like nobody that should be 'allowed' to play with these dangerous toys
benkay: or alternatively accept that 99.99999 of people are going to get fucked their whole lives, throw up hands and not give fucks.
asciilifeform: staged, if anyone didn't know.
mircea_popescu: somehow i imagined a monkey trying to fire an ak would end up flying.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is it weigh, 50 lbs ?
nubbins`: what else can i do!
benkay: make the babes happy
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, if little kids can shoot em...
benkay: pursue personal power
nubbins`: benkay: but i'm already doing both of those things D:
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled newton's 3rd.
benkay: yeah so let the scammers alone
benkay: or at least stop trying to foist your differentiation of scams on -assets
mircea_popescu: benkay whai ?!
nubbins`: hey, this was dead until you brought it up again :P
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i've been inducted into the ranks of pmb/rubecoin pushers
mircea_popescu: what is that
mircea_popescu: jesus how long have i been asleep
benkay: fair 'nuff
mircea_popescu: last i recall i was talking revolucion with some guy
nubbins`: yeah last thing we heard from you was <mircea_popescu> time to shave my beard so i'll know how long i've been asleep
mircea_popescu: o wait pmb/rubecoin as in miner bonds and altchain scams ?
nubbins`: just go back like an hour
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno if you've noticed this, but the logs are pretty much taylored for my convenience. if i'm up, an hour stretches over like 300 lines. yet the ten hours im asleep look in the log like an hour and a half.
nubbins`: that's got the makings of a great thesis statement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1200 @ 0.00083785 = 1.0054 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: ^ old hat to many of you, but stories like this always get my gears turning
ozbot: Mathematician: Is Our Universe a Simulation? - Slashdot
KRS-One: ozbot: I think so.
KRS-One: or it can at least be modelled mathematically
nubbins`: Mathematical knowledge is unlike any other knowledge. Its truths are objective, necessary and timeless.
KRS-One: haha
KRS-One: .bait
nubbins`: in a just universe, .bait would link you to the proof of a theorem
KRS-One: Eww, her bicycle seat gonna smell.
ozbot: HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
asciilifeform: (obligatory re: universe sim)
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads actualy, it is not, not that i don't appreciate your culture on the topic. the difference is subtly this : that what you propose is geared towards the present and the future, a matter of action, whereas what i was discussing was strictly as to the past and a matter of representation.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
KRS-One: wonder if anyone has tried to pinpoint the location in the universe to the precise location where the big bang occurred, taking into account skew or any offset
KRS-One: there was the wmap project but that wasnt a specific goal
nubbins`: eh, not sure such a thing is yet possible
mircea_popescu: KRS-One the location where the big bang occured is not within the universe.
asciilifeform: likewise p != np because the kid playing sim-verse has a finite budget too...
mircea_popescu: or at least, not particularly more in one place than the other.
KRS-One: if everything came from the singularity wouldnt there be that specific point in some kind of reference to us?
nubbins`: well, what's your frame of reference for locating the singularity?
mircea_popescu: might as well try to determine where on your body is the place where your mom got laid.
KRS-One: earth obviously
mircea_popescu: obviously she didn't get laid on your body.
nubbins`: relative to earth? we're flying through space
KRS-One: right but if we can model the universe somewhat and reverse time..
mircea_popescu: but you can not reverse time.
KRS-One: we've done it with galaxies
KRS-One: on sim's you can
mircea_popescu: no, we haven't lol.
mircea_popescu: sims are toys.
nubbins`: sims make assumptions
KRS-One: yeah
nubbins`: consider the benign case of two galaxies smashing together and merging
KRS-One: we've simluated that
nubbins`: is a sim gonna show you what those two galaxies looked like before they crashed?
nubbins`: if so, to what resolution? etc
nubbins`: might as well do a simulation of a pile of rotten mush to see what shape the banana was
KRS-One: too many assumptions
nubbins`: or a simulation to see what shade of yellow the eggs in your cake were, etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10773 @ 0.0008752 = 9.4285 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: guys, if you suddenly pass out, i iz just rebooting
nubbins`: too many assumptions and too many one-way events
ThickAsThieves: LifeOS needs to repopulate scams
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, on the bright side, we won't remember being asleep
ThickAsThieves: we won't remember being alive either
nubbins`: or, to generalize: we won't
ThickAsThieves: sure we will
mircea_popescu: deadweasel just admitted to slashing a vietnamese girl while drunk ? or did i misread ?
ThickAsThieves: deadweasel spoke?
nubbins`: we will, yes, sure. but i'm talking about whether we won't
mircea_popescu: he said he was jacking a rabbit with slices of vietnamese waitress.
ThickAsThieves: weird guy that one
mircea_popescu: especially... what i want to know is what he did to the weasel.
ThickAsThieves: mustve got confused which part was sushi
mircea_popescu: they're both sushi.
KRS-One: heh
nubbins`: i think wait staff does too much running around to make good eating
ThickAsThieves: Bugpowder it's falling again!
ThickAsThieves: get out yer wallet
nubbins`: ideally you want a combination of little/no exercise and healthy eating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00087702 = 54.2875 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: but those two things so rarely go together
davout: !t x.eur
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
mircea_popescu: "Enky makes good posts" << is this the guy that bought t credits and rated me for it >?
davout: hmm how does that thing work?
mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00179489 / 0.00218173 (21300 shares, 38.23 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: enky knows kako i think
davout: mircea_popescu: ty
ThickAsThieves: do they do that 4x thing together?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust enikesha
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user enikesha: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=enikesha | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enikesha | Rated since: Sun Sep 16 18:40:11 2012
mircea_popescu: tthat guy ?
ThickAsThieves: dont think so
mircea_popescu: i would guess not huh
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust enky
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user enky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=enky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust enky2
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user enky2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=enky2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky2 | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: myeah nm, just my head got impacted.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder:
mircea_popescu: Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down. << exactly.
nubbins`: better your head than your bowel
mircea_popescu: FabianB no it's the last quoted.
mircea_popescu: benkay:sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup. << i think you're the fifth guy planning to do basically that.
mircea_popescu: buy $5k worth of cardanos and $15k worth of suits, hassle execs for three months and bill $3.5mn worth of bs.
mod6: are they ready to order?
nubbins`: now that's pulchritude
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x? << the kind of idiot that expects service, which maximally extended is the kind of idiot who only deals with people in his wot. so basically, any serious businessman.
mircea_popescu: that's why startups have advantages in the mktplace.
mircea_popescu: mod6 not just yet.
asciilifeform: 1000x sounds a bit tall, that's all.
mod6: ok thx :)
mircea_popescu: a like that. well maybe.
cazalla: cads around?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3500/(15+5)
gribble: 175
mircea_popescu: benkay:if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though. <<< because why ?
asciilifeform: main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.'
mircea_popescu: that's exactly equal to saying cca 2009 "well if some bitcoins appear on my harddrives i'll be glad. i'm not abouit to run bs code on my computer which i need for trying to strip naked the sims"
ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.' /// sounds like competition is needed
ThickAsThieves: maybe make two rival companies
nubbins`: s.hit and s.hinola
mircea_popescu: there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security. << into the permanent records of bitcoin-assets this goes.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you have to draw that one.
benkay: mircea_popescu: did you see the part where i said "although..." trailing off while pondering the work/payoff function?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there comes a point where you have to turn it into an abstract
mircea_popescu: benkay no. i only read the parts that i can use (twice). the rest i don't read at all :D
benkay: mircea_popescu: funny man
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ok, let's try as an abstract : there's an awful chasm \between the people who want to cum and the people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actually getting all that girlslime all over their cock.
benkay: the inconvenience of girlslime!?
mircea_popescu: it's abstract man.
asciilifeform: i was just gonna throw that in
mircea_popescu: whoa i beat someone at the quick typing game once.
mircea_popescu: now i can die happy. or at least content. or whatever.
ThickAsThieves: girlslime, pretty sure thatd make the politically incorrect list
ThickAsThieves: and snailtrail
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves should it be gender-balanced-lubrication ?
asciilifeform: 'wd-40' for all.
asciilifeform: no discriminatory advantage permitted!
mircea_popescu: you know the girls do most of the sliming. which is kind of weird seeing how the boys get most of the hurt if they didn't.
mod6: lol @ snailtrail.
ThickAsThieves: so any predictions what gox will announce?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves chemtrails.
ThickAsThieves: i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, are chemtrails the result of quadriplegic women on chemo moving about the hospital ?
ThickAsThieves: then a wave of everyone saying they cant get coins out
mod6: then a wave of everyone pelting magicaltwit with flaming bags of dog shit
mircea_popescu: magicallol
nubbins`: no cocks necessary.
ThickAsThieves: well scammers find ways to drag it out
mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty good!
mircea_popescu: want some atc ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe they release some coins for vocal customers
ThickAsThieves: take the atc nubs
ThickAsThieves: you know you wanna
ThickAsThieves: be one of us michael
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sure, send 'em to 1AltcoinSucksCocks<however many extra chars necessary to make length>
nubbins`: who's michael?
mircea_popescu: you do realise that without a hater atc would never win.
nubbins`: my pleasure to be a necessary cog
mircea_popescu: nubbins, the necessary cog
mircea_popescu: sounds like a good title for a kids book
ThickAsThieves: its from that vampire movie
nubbins`: or a business card
ThickAsThieves: lost boys?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` or that.
nubbins`: best business card title i ever saw was "scrabble blank feeler"
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ?!
mod6: haha
nubbins`: heh. well you have played scrabble, yes?
ThickAsThieves: "cheater"
nubbins`: and players often put the tiles in a bag
mircea_popescu: i like playing "all languages scrabble" but generally people dont want to
nubbins`: the scrabble blank feeler takes an extra long time getting his tiles.
asciilifeform: nope. this one -
nubbins`: brilliant, no?
mircea_popescu: this is verboten in my harem.
nubbins`: now that's a nice business card
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reminds me of an old blog post lemme see
nubbins`: perforated blotter art would make an amusing card too
nubbins`: "law-abiding citizen"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah, Sovereign Druglord
mircea_popescu: in weird type and rainbow collors.
nubbins`: heh.
asciilifeform: prisoners get cards?
nubbins`: "J. Keefe, sovereign"
mod6: asciilifeform: post release
asciilifeform: the post-release one probably reads 'obedient peon' ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` with a picture of a pinky ring o nthe back for the recipient to kiss
nubbins`: we want encryption, not a fucking bridge
nubbins`: that has a ring to it
mod6: after he was released he was on Tech-TV or something and said, "yeah, its nice to be out... but i gotta wait like a year or something to get a cell phone... and I hvae this ankle bracelt for a few months.."
asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke
mircea_popescu: do i know that one ?
nubbins`: ankle bracelet, fancy
asciilifeform: some time in medieval times, a father is leading his useless-mouth son to be drowned
nubbins`: house arrest is usually on the honor system here
asciilifeform: they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them'
asciilifeform: son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them'
asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'
mircea_popescu: o o o yeah!
cazalla: i enjoyed his book from 2-3 years ago
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit << epic.
ThickAsThieves: evoorhees seems to be posting on reddit lately
ThickAsThieves: doing panic control
mircea_popescu: jeez kako is on a roll.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: every time i hear "one of us" i think of that old movie "freaks" or w/e it's called
nubbins`: gooble gobble!
nubbins`: if kako was any sharper he'd cut himself
ThickAsThieves: the correct quote was "Drink this Michael. Become one of us"
benkay: rad illustration nubbins`
ThickAsThieves: had to look it up
benkay: being a stick figure is disappointing though
nubbins`: benkay, couldn't find my sketchbook OR a pen. threw me off.
asciilifeform: mitnick, the fellow who was kept in solitary because judge declared 'will start ww3 by whistling' ?
jurov: what does evoorhees and kakobrekla? i feel completely out of loop
cazalla: interesting that i ran into evoorhees prior to bitcoin (wickedfire)
mircea_popescu: <benkay> being a stick figure is disappointing though << talk to the cook.
mircea_popescu: say "woman, make me a sammich. god knows being a stick figure is disappointing enough"
mircea_popescu: jurov you seen teh log ?
jurov: no, fell hopelessly behind last few days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00087257 = 9.162 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dub: i like white wimminz << why is that ?
ThickAsThieves: better slime
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt know, the only time i had a chance with a black girl i wasnt single
mircea_popescu: i don't much like other race womenz. i mean creoles can be insanely hot, but otherwise, black, yellow, eskimo, w/e, they're all ugly.
mircea_popescu: and i imagined it's prolly the same for everyone.
ThickAsThieves: i find other races hot too
ozbot: Frequently Asked Questions
mircea_popescu: (creole meaning in that sentence, woman with some white ancestry)
mircea_popescu: 2. What’s wrong with the current internet?
mircea_popescu: Many things actually. First of all, it is important to remember that the internet didn’t just come to be in its current form.
mircea_popescu: benkay sorry, disqualified
mircea_popescu: FOR STUPIDITY.
pankkake: doesn't work without javascript
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7041 @ 0.00022942 = 1.6153 BTC [-] {11}
nubbins`: me shrugs
pankkake: that's what is wrong with the internet
nubbins`: me forgets the /
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:mp would argue with the bike thing. << how the fuck does he know that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you've been fucking my womenz on the quiet ?!
pankkake: you wrote about bikes being an instrument of evil remember?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2262 @ 0.000229 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12849999 = 1.285 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o i did ? k.
mircea_popescu: people reading my blogz and drilling my womenz ON THE QUIET
nubbins`: can't very well do it on the loud
kakobrekla: id still double check on the womans thing.
benkay: mircea_popescu: it's got awful js and css - that's how you know REAL PROGRAMMERS built it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why does your guy have bycicle wheels in his eye sockets dood
benkay: nubbins`: is that me?
nubbins`: benkay, mircea_popescu: artistic license
mircea_popescu: you know it suddenly dawned on me... nubbins can't actually draw.
mircea_popescu: i think he might be blind.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: shh, don't tell the clients
benkay: mircea_popescu: why u no bikes? how ams evil?
mircea_popescu: benkay bikes make men impotent. walking makes girl ass and legs look great.
mircea_popescu: you sort it out.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iosif vissarionovich!
b00lcrap: 1234
bo0lcrap: hey why shouldn't you fart in an apple store?
bo0lcrap: because they dont have windows!
mircea_popescu: because the metrosexuals may fall in love ?
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: mine's better.
nubbins`: anyway, regarding my ability to draw
mircea_popescu: what, is that a topic ?
nubbins`: is now!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12849999 = 0.514 BTC [+]
nubbins`: there's a reason why i asked pascale to draw those heraldics and not me ;p
mircea_popescu: she never drew you ?
asciilifeform: "We are still at idea stage. We’ve built a few simulations to test some parts of the system, but the main development hasn’t begun. We have published our whitepaper, which explains.."
nubbins`: ooh, good one
nubbins`: she has, in fact, drawn me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could this be merged into the yarvin thing ?
nubbins`: i'm not much for realism tho
nubbins`: takes too much talent
asciilifeform: it could just as easily be merged into Duke Nukem XXX.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i however am much for criticism!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao. maybe it should.
nubbins`: well you'll be happy to know that the band lapped up my snorting-coffee-grounds image:
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i even have a picture of a smiling hipster wearing it, one sec
mircea_popescu: its actually pretty good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC
mircea_popescu: it takes decent advantage of your few strengths while carefully avoiding all your numerous weaknesses.
benkay: haha
nubbins`: sorry, n/m, the hipster is not smiling
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: if i wanted to highlight my weaknesses i'd just print a photo of myself
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ThickAsThieves: cake makes hipsters sad
nubbins`: i know right? face full of sugar and still not happy
nubbins`: shit, maybe he's upset about the shirts.
ThickAsThieves: looks cool enough to me
nubbins`: i'm always a bit surprised when i'm given free reign on design
nubbins`: always expecting "how about this?" to be met with "the fuck is your problem, asshole?"
mircea_popescu: "what are these people thinking"
nubbins`: well, yes
nubbins`: what ARE they thinking
ThickAsThieves: do you design shirts for non-hipster businesses?
ThickAsThieves: i bet those people would complain
nubbins`: most legit businesses come to us with art
mircea_popescu: which is how he got the idea he can draw in the first place.
mircea_popescu: by looking at all that art.
benkay: "art"
ThickAsThieves: so mean!
benkay: to bring us back to a much much earlier topic
mircea_popescu: someone stole my f's again
nubbins`: looking fat all that art
mircea_popescu: haha good 1
ThickAsThieves: loo king fat all tha tart
nubbins`: make no mistake, i do not operate under the assumption that i can draw
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is el englisho, doesn't spello like thato./
mircea_popescu: nubbins` just under the hope that others can't tell ?
nubbins`: has worked reasonably well so far, this approach
ThickAsThieves: it's performance art, people just buy souvenirs
mircea_popescu: if anyone ever asks me to back up assertions about collapsing standards in education i am definitely linking this in support.
nubbins`: hey, hold on now. i didn't go to art school
mircea_popescu: and btw, we need to start selling -asset tickets, this shit's too much fun.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not for you, for the viewers.
nubbins`: aha.
nubbins`: was waiting for "no, really?"
mircea_popescu: sidestepped :D
nubbins`: graciously
mircea_popescu: sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you know.
nubbins`: no, really?
nubbins`: :DDDDD
ThickAsThieves: my english teacher told me puns are
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i bet your english teacher never got lied.
nubbins`: lights blinking and wind picking up, gonna try to fry some salmon while i still can.
benkay: american english teachers know neither english nor how to teach.
ThickAsThieves: he was a hideous creature of form and mind
mircea_popescu: imagine if he's from the hillbilly country and his parents are Form and Mindy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00087494 = 7.262 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: not punny
mircea_popescu: anyway, has the esteemed & most serene college of the assets read my recent poem ?
mircea_popescu: pls to say nice things for else i'm cutting.
ThickAsThieves: ;;google trilema writes a poem
gribble: Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis's_trilemma>; C. S. Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis>
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema the letter third
gribble: Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis's_trilemma>; Free exchange: A trio of trilemmas | The Economist: <http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21580452-gold-standard-holds-worrying-lessons-single-currency-trio>; Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/>
asciilifeform: i read it. needs a part II.
mircea_popescu: google is so fucking borkt...
asciilifeform: where the sultan meets his fate.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd part is not about the sultan (which is duly forgotten), but about how pissed off the author is with the current environment
mircea_popescu: cca 1880 he was distraught that people learn jack shit in school and everyone's lazy and stupid and wtf is this politics conspiraci of nonsense.
asciilifeform: for anyone who never saw.
benkay: sottisier needs linking to bash.*, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: benkay lol
mircea_popescu: don't be so mean, there's loads of smart things in there.
benkay: ah then then the forum
benkay: yeah that in particular
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
pankkake: sottisier ?
mircea_popescu: cads what i want to know is when the fuck did romanian and cabbage get identified. what, cause cluj cabbage ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake certes.
mircea_popescu: from ME ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00087224 = 24.5099 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: from benkay technically
benkay: ZING
mircea_popescu: fu benkay stealer of my things.
pankkake: if only your posts weren't that long, I would read them sooner
benkay: yup
Mats_cd03: can i have the sword
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, is a film with paolo villaggio
pankkake: does he lose his XP too?
benkay: i don't imitate, mircea_popescu i steap.
benkay: steal*
benkay: i begin to understand why offices work
mircea_popescu: pankkake no, that he keeps
benkay: you're responsible for the distractions roaming around
Mats_cd03: i tried to buy a .jp relic once, dealer tried to gouge me for $5k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lucky me, turned up, http://lib.rus.ec/b/363206/read#n_49
Mats_cd03: found a replica that was better than the real thing on ebay for $200
Mats_cd03: although the replica didnt kill hundreds of chinese so i guess its inferior tbh
mircea_popescu: И, роняя капли света, словно брызги дождевые,
mircea_popescu: От восхода до заката встали радуги ночные.
mircea_popescu: you know that's not so bad.
benkay: you can always imbue your replica with that property, though, Mats_cd03
benkay: anyways that kind of property is kind of unique and so therefore probably worth in excess of 5k
benkay: that's what, less than an mpex seat?
benkay: sounds like a deal.
Mats_cd03: it was a relic owned by a descendant of a .jp soldier in nanjing
benkay: "how many human lives is an mpex seat worth"
mircea_popescu: o it's the old soviet translation isn't it.
mircea_popescu: yeah they actually put a lot of effort into getting it right for some reason.
Mats_cd03: definitely worth more than 5k
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: ww2 jp. swords suck (the issued ones, not the familial relics some of the nobles carried)
asciilifeform: not even reall japanese in style. more or less copies of eur. cavalry sabers of late 19th
asciilifeform: i thought serious sword folks knew that.
Mats_cd03: ya i thought so, so i picked up a carbon fibre weapon made with modern techniques
benkay: read it
benkay: thing is most humans are totally fungible
Mats_cd03: i have no expertise in that sort of thing, i meant to buy it as a gift for a colleague
mircea_popescu: teh sheeple!11
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 why'd you buy things you don't know to make gifts ?
benkay: the upper end of skill experience and what have ye isn't but that's a vanishingly small slice.
mircea_popescu: putting your friend in the awkward position of having been vicariously scammed doesn't seem like much of a gift
Mats_cd03: dude was a huge sword buff and owned all sorts of probably illegal war trophies
mircea_popescu: so therefore your odds of giving him something he doesn't think is shit are... <0.0001% ?
Mats_cd03: well i expected him to know the shit gift i bought him was shit
benkay: 300 bucks'll get you a pretty nice bottle of wine, Mats_cd03.
Mats_cd03: the garbage wine he drinks is more than that
benkay: if you can avoid getting scammed ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7442 @ 0.00087201 = 6.4895 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: how do you buy gifts for someone who has everything
Mats_cd03: i mean... besides a vagina purse
ozbot: Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe
mircea_popescu: wait this was a woman ?
Mats_cd03: no lol
benkay: human belt.
benkay: whoopie cushin
benkay: cushion
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: hey, fuck you guys << lawl.
mircea_popescu: i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new.
mircea_popescu: all that's missing is herbi driving a jet over his cat or something.
ThickAsThieves: mp the Like button and +1 button are missing from trilema
ThickAsThieves: how can i express myself without expressing myself?
benkay: oh yeah also while we're on the topic your discus implementation is fucking horrendous too
benkay: disqus*
ThickAsThieves: also where's your keyword cloud
ThickAsThieves: so useful those things
mircea_popescu: o yeah ? well i had sex with your wife!
benkay: yeah man keyword clouds are where its at
benkay: get with the 2004 mang
mircea_popescu: (the cannonical is, "his wife has cancer")
mircea_popescu: it's from the shrimpstore seinfeld episode.
ozbot: Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 147-The Comeback
mircea_popescu: bah fuck me, "his wife is in a coma".
ThickAsThieves: even better
ThickAsThieves: saying she's dead wouldnt be as funny either
mircea_popescu: they really polished those scripts.
mircea_popescu: you don't realise this on the first pass, watching it or w/e, but just try as a cw exercise to improve on them.
ThickAsThieves: i find tv shows to be increasingly predictable, i dont just mean boring
cazalla: curb is better
ThickAsThieves: i mean like where foreshadowing is painfully obvious
ThickAsThieves: or like how they use almost famous actors as cameo villians
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33245 @ 0.00087525 = 29.0977 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: asciilifeform: nothing wrong with ww2 japanese swords, good factory steel relinquished in shame
benkay: curb? CURB?!
benkay: show is miserable.
benkay: awkward comedy at its worst.
benkay: nobody on that show can tell a joke.
benkay: maybe the joke is on me expecting comedy
ThickAsThieves: it's the Altcoin of comedy shows
ThickAsThieves: "is this a joke?"
mircea_popescu: cazalla curb is atrocious.
mircea_popescu: "bro do you even joke ?"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, well, that'd be a funcrtion of you growing less retarded over time.
mircea_popescu: like for instance the mtgox thing ? totally impredictable and shocking for a few people.
mircea_popescu: somewhere.
benkay: <benkay> so gox: criminally incompetent? criminals? or just incompetent?
benkay: [18:30]
benkay: <donpdonp> i cant tell which
benkay: i know some
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00296 = 0.1362 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you're promiscuous :D
benkay: disregarded me for months
benkay: not terribly, it's the local btc irc channel
benkay: reptations get built in more places than -assets
benkay: and AND
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00087198 = 26.2466 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: i wear condoms.
benkay: so it's okay baby
mircea_popescu: boys should b e promiscuous anyway.
benkay: hear hear
benkay: what about men?
mircea_popescu: "The term can carry a moral judgement and is viewed in the context of a mainstream social ideal for sexual activity to occur within exclusive committed relationships."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wikipedia is grand.
mircea_popescu: "i know! let's give a bunch of clueless twits the unwarranted, indefensible idea that what they know and think is universal, and then let's have them write it all out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1934 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: educated, intelligent people everywhere will be entertained."
mircea_popescu: "for free."
benkay: britannica or gtfo
cazalla: mircea_popescu: because it's jewish?
benkay: and i mean the actual fucking bound volumes.
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new.
nubbins`: i can't even get a break!
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: cazalla weren;t you from down under ?
nubbins`: earlier i was asking some guy about encryption and he starts going off about bridges!
cazalla: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: jesus, herbi is the proximate cause for me trying to rewatch that crud, cause he also claimed it's better than seinfeld.
mircea_popescu: and he's also from there.
mircea_popescu: you people must have really brainrotting tv or something.
nubbins`: curb is funny if you think watching adults endure horrendously awkward situations is funny
benkay: he's also a wannabe quant computer guy
nubbins`: if you don't, well, it just isn't
mircea_popescu: but they suck. they can't act, they aren't funny.
benkay: and i think into anime shit as well.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch the surveillance cam
cazalla: curb is better than seinfeld
benkay: oh shit herbi's into some wackness
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, that's the thing. they're not even trying to act
mircea_popescu: hm, maybe that's what it is, the curb thing is funny for people who don't have access to surveillance cams,
benkay: he and Vexual were wanking each other off the nother night.
nubbins`: benkay :0
benkay: it was vile
benkay: anime music videos
benkay: horrible house music
mircea_popescu: at least it wasn't dub step.
benkay: eh
benkay: i've done too many drugs with dubstep playing to care about it anymore
nubbins`: (dub: don't want to be paged? don't choose a nick that's a genre of music)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: having loads of fun with herr eminescu.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dun worry, he knows i only do it to bother him
pankkake: dubsteb isn't all bad. just ignore the mainstream
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, write a russian variant!
nubbins`: dubstep, aka run some techno through a VCF
mircea_popescu: dubstep is okay if you're into fucking fifteen year olds.
nubbins`: and tweak the cutoff & peak knobs so it goes WOM WOM
benkay: well once upon a time
benkay: can't get away with it anymore
benkay: mircea_popescu: ^^
nubbins`: dubstep is essentially "i bought a bunch of Moog modules and can't be fucked to learn how to use any of them"
mircea_popescu: i could but srsly... i prefer tits and a nicely formed hip-thigh complex.
benkay: nubbins`: nobody buys moog modules and so therefore has no incentive to actually learn them
benkay: no investment of money, no investment of time.
benkay: "why are these tools so hard bawwww"
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: italy is pretty much bankrupt.
mircea_popescu: how is this news ?
nubbins`: you have a point, they're doing it all with softsynths
mircea_popescu: italy has never, ever, at any poiint in its history, been able to pay the bills.
mircea_popescu: while the austrians paid for them, italy existed, then it didn't
Vexual: when in rome
mircea_popescu: then hitler took over,
mircea_popescu: then they didn't.
mircea_popescu: then germany took over, now they don't...
nubbins`: altho i suspect the "free" vs "$10k+" thing is a deciding factor when choosing softsynths over modulars too
pankkake: well most of the "dubstep" I like is closer to drum and bass. still…
mircea_popescu: it's not going to end. italians are willing to spend your money or starve. either way.
pankkake: eh, you can find 5-minute howto dubstep on youtube
benkay: nubbins`: that's precisely the problem. when people can't be arsed to figure out how to get their tools to make money, they don't arse themselves to grok the tools either.
nubbins`: pankkake, that's the problem
nubbins`: 10k "producers" watching a 5 minute tutorial on youtube and "releasing tracks"
benkay: if the tools are free, why develop competence when everyone else you know hacking on them is just as incompetent as yourself?
Mats_cd03: if you feel gangster listening to this trap mix... we are in agreement
pankkake: so dubstep songs are like altcoins
benkay: all techno is cryptocoins
nubbins`: pankkake sort of, but more people take dubstep seriously
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 202 @ 0.00084 = 0.1697 BTC [+]
nubbins`: and i suspect altcoins are no fun on club drugs
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, did you send those atc yet?
mircea_popescu: which atc ? the atc you never said you wanted ?
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nubbins`: hey, i never said i didn't want em
nubbins`: i even gave you most of an address
Mats_cd03: i imagine youd have to be doped up to care about altcoins
nubbins`: send as many as you want
mircea_popescu: cads i thought pokemon was a cartoon series.
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: oh, you might be onto something there
Mats_cd03: it was a game first i thought
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm not sure what came first, the video game nerd or the egg.
Vexual: altcoin, not altcoins
Mats_cd03: wtf am i listening to pankkake
pankkake: Mats_cd03: the impaled northern moonforest of dubstep
benkay: i'll take nubbins`' altcoins
nubbins`: you'll take them if your address starts with 1AltcoinSucksCocks
Vexual: altcoin is the plural!
benkay: shut up Vexual
mircea_popescu: A scientific study published in 2005 found that promiscuous men and women are judged equally harshly and a recent poll showed that both genders tend to express strong preference for sexually conservative partners.
mircea_popescu: dude this is absurd.
Mats_cd03: this is the worst thing i have listened to in months
CiPi: Real men use real things. :) Like bitcoin, not altcoin.
CiPi: loosers use altcoins.
mircea_popescu: someone prefers sexually conservative parties, somewhere in that africa over there across the atlantic ?!
benkay: doncha know mircea_popescu
benkay: we all sit around and talk about what kind of sex we'd like to have
benkay: get all horny
benkay: and then go home
pankkake: but it's not altcoins, it's Altcoin
nubbins`: 1AltcoinSucksCocks0123456789abcdef
nubbins`: there we go
benkay: pankkake: just transfer the coins nubbins` is throwing away to my account under your mgmt plz
nubbins`: the fuck is this, an auction?
benkay: it's sunday in -assets!
benkay: #musical number begins
nubbins`: i am entitled to my entitlements!
benkay: you guys we need a stage musical
mircea_popescu: benkay i'm not giving preciously minted atc to the heathens!
TATwalking: I tell ya tho software producing takes a shit ton of time to get good at
benkay: wait i'm no heathen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18583 @ 0.0008743 = 16.2471 BTC [+]
nubbins`: TATwalking, this is why so few are good at it
benkay: this stage musical would have GLBSE
benkay: Colored Coins
benkay: Amir Taaki
nubbins`: "i'm a producer" can almost universally be responded to with "no you're not"
benkay: all as like transient guests that occasionally show up and say nonsensical things
Vexual: lol
mircea_popescu: nubbins` or with "it'll still cost you 70 for half and half"
nubbins`: hah.
mircea_popescu: he's not a producer, she is a whore, honesty all the way.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 191 @ 0.00084157 = 0.1607 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1285 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "altcoin: the commodity so valuable that people don't even want others throwing theirs away"
mircea_popescu: i paid good satoshis for that stuff i'll have you know.
TATwalking: I dodge the occasional tree :)
nubbins`: tell that to my empty atc address!
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, then buy some
nubbins`: Apocalyptic, i think you missed the point by about 5km
Apocalyptic: yeah i must admit haven't read the scroll
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0055 = 0.1705 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06913778 = 3.4569 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic few do.
mircea_popescu: it's five hours a day.
nubbins`: i was bequeathed some atc and now can't get anybody to follow through!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` because you were a smartass with derpy nonaddresses
nubbins`: totally is an address.
nubbins`: there's what, 2^9 private keys that will generate that address
TATwalking: now you must shoe on head
mircea_popescu: longest vanity in history.
nubbins`: well, 1MatthewNWrightIsAScammer was taken
mircea_popescu: obviously nubbins` did not read the protocol enough to know about the checksum.
nubbins`: OOOOOH
nubbins`: well fuck me
mircea_popescu: noty, but i did lel all the way/
nubbins`: isn't my face red!
benkay: i thought it was mostly white with some tatooos
nubbins`: guess i better go read up &c &c
mircea_popescu: ppl come to this chan thinking they're real smart all the time.
nubbins`: benkay, heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1980 @ 0.00043849 = 0.8682 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: we're kinda used to it.
nubbins`: tbf i came to this chan with no such delusion
mircea_popescu: why be fair ?
nubbins`: it's all that separates us from the savages
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: "На коне своем любимом Мирча в самой гуще боя, / Он ведет свою лавину, попирая все живое."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]
TATwalking: that and the Canadian border
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know i know, it's very flattering.
nubbins`: TATwalking: unfortunately, we let americans through all the time
asciilifeform: named after this fellow?
mircea_popescu: well no, named after my father.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06720001 = 0.5376 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the only instance i can recall that a canadian went the other way is when that guy swam from windsor to detroit after slamming 8 beers, to see if he could
nubbins`: (he could)
Vexual: thats called@ after breakfast@ here
TATwalking: and birner
TATwalking: bieber
mircea_popescu: TATwalking stop derping with your smartphone and pick up women
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.128625 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that's what walks are for.
TATwalking: these are too heavy
nubbins`: the women?
Vexual: hes carrying two desktops
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00297498 = 0.2975 BTC [+]
nubbins`: one for irc, one for ___
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically Mircea însuşi mână-n luptă vijelia-ngrozitoare, Care vine, vine, vine, calcă totul în picioare; is mircea himself leads into battle the fearsome tempest that coming, coming, coming, tramples everything underfoot.
mircea_popescu: they didn't have cgi in the 1800s, and you can almost see how much they'd have liked it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more or less exactly.
mircea_popescu: by all the effort they put into verbaly emmulating it
asciilifeform: hell, Homer does just this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
nubbins`: turns out dickens didn't go on about the grocers for the word count
ozbot: John Morillo, Windsor man who swam across Detroit River, regrets it - Windsor - CBC News
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: love the ending.
mircea_popescu: remarkably reusable for 150 yo code.
asciilifeform: always had a soft spot for herr Tepes.
mircea_popescu: you mean the actual vlad or the other vlad dracul guy ?
asciilifeform: actual.
asciilifeform: the one who knew what to do with turks.
mircea_popescu: he beheaded a bunch of medieval jpm&co bankers
benkay: that's intense Namworld
mircea_popescu: as a result got a pretty bad wrap in the english language press of the time
mircea_popescu: which was german.
benkay: mircea_popescu: "bad rap"
benkay: as in rap sheet, arrest history
Namworld: It sure is...
mircea_popescu: that'd be the literal.
mircea_popescu: Kazıklı Bey haha good one.
WillTablet: Hello
benkay: welcome
WillTablet: I gave myself a challenge - break even on the $18 worth of server I used to mine about 0.007 BTC worth of dogecoin
benkay: and?
WillTablet: And I'm pretty interested to see how it ends up
nubbins`: anti-climax
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 625.66, Best ask: 625.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 625.68, 24 hour volume: 26319.78171749, 24 hour low: 590.01, 24 hour high: 670.0, 24 hour vwap: 627.53549918
WillTablet: Ima try and get some of it back, I prolly won't break even
benkay: ;;calc 623 * 0.007
gribble: 4.361
WillTablet: Ima lend it to a reputable borrower on btcjam or something
benkay: why not just learn the lesson, WillTablet?
benkay: you're only out like 12 buck
WillTablet: During the loan period, I will read up on shares and economics
nubbins`: reputable borrower
benkay: hey WillTablet let me give you a bit of insight
WillTablet: Go ahead
nubbins`: if there's one thing that speaks to a man's repute, it's his constant need of loans
pankkake: is btcjam like coinlenders?
benkay: in ten years that 0.007 BTC will be worth several x your dollars
benkay: without any risk due to lending it out.
mircea_popescu: pankkake it;s more like a logical continuation of glbse.
mircea_popescu: they came out with figures at some point that on average 30% of loans were delinquent.
mircea_popescu: (course ignoramuses that they are, it was a victorious point of pride)
nubbins`: almost 70% of loans repaid!
WillTablet: benkay: if that's the case, why does anyone invest? I want to do it as an experiment, and expect to lose it all
asciilifeform: 'Filtration System, a Marvel to Behold! It Removes 80% of Human Solid Waste!'
benkay: if you expect to lose it, why bother?
benkay: if you want to actually invest it, put it into MPEx.
benkay: it's a really good question, WillTablet.
nubbins`: yeah, put 0.0007 btc into mpex
WillTablet: Sarcasm?
nubbins`: altho i think benkay was srs
benkay: the fundamental assumption is that a given operation will grow in value faster than btc.
ThickAsThieves: i saw a btcjam presentation once, he was surprisingly transparent
ThickAsThieves: considering how ba dthe numbers are
benkay: eh semi serious
benkay: kiddo doesn't know mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087198 = 4.8831 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point there being that there's a point of delinquency where loan packages become unworthy. all this is old fiat finance grease.
mircea_popescu: like you know, knowing what a space cadet kbd is.
benkay: 0.007'd get et by jurov's fees instantly right?
WillTablet: mpex costs like 30 BTC a seat though
benkay: WillTablet: http://coinbr.com, although i think fees would eat you alive
nubbins`: i think the min deposit is more than that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fave story re: tepes: 'Некогда же обедоваше под трупием мертвых человек, иже на колие саженых, множество бо округ стола его; он же среди их ядяше и тем услажашеся. Слуга же его, иже пред ним ясти ставляше, смраду оного не могии тер
asciilifeform: пети и заткну нос и на страну главу свою склони. Он же вопроси его: "что ради тако чинишь?" Он же отвеща государю: "не могу смрада сего терпети". Дракула же ту и повеле его на кол всадити, глаголя: "тамо ти есть высоко жити, смрад не м
ThickAsThieves: i imagine btcjam will be end up as proportionally unpopular as Prosper.com
asciilifeform: ожеть тебе доити".' (old russ. from http://www.old-russian.chat.ru/09drakula.htm)
benkay: your alternative is to throw it away on scams that don't have fees because they're not really businesses.
benkay: if you want to learn investing, borrow some money from your parents WillTablet and put it into Tesla.
benkay: some into us treasury bonds
ozbot: Merkel, Hollande to discuss European communication network avoiding U.S.
asciilifeform: translation: 'once dining under the corpses of men, those impaled on stakes, many sat around his table, dining among him and in this taking plasure. servant of his, placing food before him, could not endure the stench,
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i never heard of prosper.com
ThickAsThieves: tsla is a pretty nicely volatile stock to play with
ThickAsThieves: now you have!
nubbins`: but bitcoin gives my portfolio all the volatility that i need
ThickAsThieves: it's pretty old
WillTablet: benkay: heh my parents wouldn't let me
asciilifeform: and plugged his nose and turned his head. lord asked him, 'why do you this.' answered he: 'cannot endure the stench'.
WillTablet: I'm actually lending money to them atm
benkay: sounds like a rat fuck of bad decisions, WillTablet
benkay: why are you doing that?
ThickAsThieves: lend money to parents?
ThickAsThieves: just give it
asciilifeform: drakula ordered the man sat upon the stake, taller than others: 'high is this place, you will live free of the stench there.'
nubbins`: rat fuck, i like that
asciilifeform: (end of trans.)
benkay: they'll take it from you when they're old and dying anyways.
WillTablet: They are giving me something like 3% interest, might be 5 actually
benkay: more likely -100%.
WillTablet: I might play about with investopedia
benkay: *sigh*
benkay: have fun, kid.
ThickAsThieves: question, did any of you tell your parents to buy btc?
benkay: yup.
ThickAsThieves: and did they?
kakobrekla: i got mine in at 5$.
benkay: good man
nubbins`: gave my dad a casascius coin for his birthday one year
benkay: mine were burning retirement capital until 6 months ago
WillTablet: benkay: sarcasm?
benkay: irony
benkay: WillTablet ^^
Mats_cd03: whats going on with these tx inssues
Mats_cd03: ^issues
benkay: the internet isn't going to teach you anything about investing except via exceptional losses.
WillTablet: So basically, the best thing to do with my bitcoins is to forget about them till I see on the news oh BTC is worth £4000 now
asciilifeform: EU: 'we'll build separate net. and run more winblows. our road to victory.'
Mats_cd03: bitpay doesn't work anymore, whining about some signature or other
ThickAsThieves: "We'll talk with France about how we can maintain a high level of data protection," Merkel said.
WillTablet: They have a market simulator though I suppose the psychological effect is different if its not real money
Duffer1: keep your btc
benkay: keep your btc
ThickAsThieves: seems like an awful lot of trouble to not solve spying
WillTablet: keep your btc
benkay: hang on WillTablet i have a book for you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eu : we will say all sorts of things in no relation to what we actually do. it's what built rome.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0008724 = 14.0456 BTC [+]
benkay: WillTablet: there are two books for you to read before you put any money into the market
benkay: The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: yeah, it's a high level of full of shitness. I hope nothing comes out of it, because the real motives probably aren't good
WillTablet: Are they heavy reading?
benkay: and Buffett - the Making of an American Capitalist
mircea_popescu: hey not bad.
mircea_popescu: krugman approved reading.
benkay: yup.
benkay: if you can't make it through them, you're not ready for the markets.
WillTablet: Might get the pdf as parents would probably be like wtf investing
benkay: mircea_popescu: you have recommendations?
benkay: WillTablet: yeah get u some pdfs
benkay: WillTablet: learning is free these days. take advantage of it.
benkay: WillTablet: far more difficult than when we were taught, but hey this is the real world.
mircea_popescu: benkay i dun see a problem.
Mats_cd03: books are for nerds
mircea_popescu: so is your girlfriend.
WillTablet: benkay: does it involve anything more that grade 10 maths?
benkay: nope.
Mats_cd03: i pray to god for investment purposes
WillTablet: Then I should be fine
Mats_cd03: my homeboy jesus knows whats good with k street
mircea_popescu: if you gotta pray to god for investment purpoises better make sure you pray to the god of the jooze.
benkay: the most complicated thing you'll ever encounter in most practical investment problems is time discounting of money WillTablet
benkay: WillTablet: have you worked with exponentials?
mircea_popescu: either that or set theory.
WillTablet: Sort of
benkay: ^1/5 etc?
benkay: e^-iπ?
benkay: it's not that bad :)
WillTablet: shouldn't be too bad, no
benkay: and you won't need it to learn the important stuff about not losing your shirt.
benkay: but kid listen
benkay: sit on your butts
benkay: acquire more, don't burn the ones you have.
Mats_cd03: buy some atc, its the hot new thiing
Mats_cd03: in fact... trade all your buttcoins for atc
benkay: yeah hey mircea_popescu give the kid some atc
mircea_popescu: what am i, made of money ?
ThickAsThieves: WillTablet go here and install the wallet www.therealaltcoin.org
WillTablet: The kid
ThickAsThieves: i'll give him some
kakobrekla: Willy The Kid
mircea_popescu: WillTablet he's trying to be me, don't take it to heart.
WillTablet: Sorry, I am on an android ATM
WillTablet: Will google
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benkay: so how do we get the atc ticker in -assets?
mircea_popescu: Learn your Atc Btc Ctcs!
mircea_popescu: mebbe if we .bait assbot
Duffer1: .bait brought to you by Altcoin
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am
benkay: .bait
Mats_cd03: lols
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: I got my dad in at $20, he exited at $80, happy to make $60k.
pankkake: well, x-bt API is annoying. need an api key even to get trades
ozbot: Image View - TIS
Apocalyptic: pankkake, yeah, a public API is under construction
Bugpowder: I knew I should have bought on the dip below $600...
Bugpowder: Just added a bit at $625.
Bugpowder: Where is the alt faucet?
asciilifeform: "came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the stakes - a
asciilifeform: re martyrs!' drakula called in the other monk and asked him same. he did answer: 'you, lord, are called by god to put to death evildoers and reward the virtuous. as for those upon the stakes, they wrought evil and were justly punished.' drakula spoke again to the first monk, 'why did you leave your cloister in the monastery and walk about the courts of great lords, if you know nothing of the world? you said you
asciilifeform: rself, these people are martyrs. so i wish to make you a martyr, be in the company of your fellows.' and ordered him sat upon a stake, but the other monk, sent with fifty golden ducats back to the hungarian borders, 'you are a wise man.'
WillTablet: Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless?
benkay: it's nice seeing y'all hash through the requirements of launching an altcoin
WillTablet: Does that mean worthless?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087198 = 3.3135 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :)
mircea_popescu: help create the world you wish to live in.
asciilifeform: circa 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." translation mine.
mircea_popescu: benkay it's not really belonging on the list. let people do their own charity personally.
pankkake: well, it doesn't even werk. or I'm using my client wrong …
mircea_popescu: curious what cads reads off that story :D
benkay: i hear and obey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: many hurias await thee in the land beyond the wobbles.
mircea_popescu: hm i guess in english it actually is houries
benkay: save the houries for chaang-noi
mircea_popescu: i doubt he gets any.
cads: hmm, what is this land beyond the wobbles?
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am /// yes just find me whenever
mircea_popescu: he'll prolly have to fuck cockroaches for all eternity.
asciilifeform: 'came once from the hungarian lands a merchant to the city of drakula. and, as is custom at his court, left his cart on the city street in front of the house, and his wares - on the cart, and himself went to sleep in the house. and someone did steal from the cart 160 gold ducats. the merchant came to drakula, spoke to him of the missing gold. drakula answered, 'go, this same night you will have your gold again.
asciilifeform: ' and ordered that in the whole city the thief be sought, 'should you fail to find him, the city shall perish.' and ordered the same night his old gold placed on the cart - with one added duacat. morning came, the mechant counted the gold, and counted again, then exclaimed: 'i have my gold again, but a ducat is extra!' and then the thief was caught, and the stolen gold brought. spoke drakula to the merchant th
asciilifeform: us: 'go with peace. and had you not spoken to me of the ducat, you would sit on this same stake as the thief.'
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: yes
mircea_popescu: cads you know monty python ? the "there goes the neighbourhood" sketch ?
WillTablet: I have my PC on, since I am remarkably bad-ass
cads: :D
cads: ah, I haven't seen it
cads: is it john cleese making the speech about the wobbles?
mircea_popescu: see, romanians are uncultivated.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> Where is the alt faucet? /// is this needed for proliferation you think?
mircea_popescu: no, it's a cartoon
benkay: asciilifeform: what is this from which you're quoting?
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? /// so do we
WillTablet: Are yoy trying to make a point here? That altcoin is just another random coin that will never be used?
benkay: asciilifeform: context?
asciilifeform: benkay: scroll up.
ThickAsThieves: that's not the point
WillTablet: What is the point?
ThickAsThieves: that there doesnt need to be one for everything to change
WillTablet: One what?
WillTablet: Uhhhh-uh
ThickAsThieves: it's heavy shit
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: I don't follow this
cads: asciilifeform: hah, awesome stories
Chris_Sabian_: TAT - so the only thing different about Altcoin is the name?
WillTablet: However, I'm guessing the altcoins were a lie
kakobrekla: WillTablet its the 15th standard.
ThickAsThieves: youre trying too hard to fit it into a box, but it is a box
benkay: the coin is a lie
kakobrekla: the cake is a bill
cads: asciilifeform: are there more in the collection?
mircea_popescu: the little boy was a slice of cake!
asciilifeform: cads: tons.
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: not helping that much
cads: :D
Chris_Sabian_: there are people buying altcoin for 350 - 500 satoshi on 2 exchanges
mircea_popescu: Chris_Sabian_ your mistake here is to proceed on the wholly prepasterous cads worldview, whereas that which matter doesn't matter, and that which is left once you're done ignoring what matters can then be counted.
ThickAsThieves: all these coins are just coins, and what makes them different is how people use them, whether they use them, etc
mircea_popescu: and who uses them, and for what.
mircea_popescu: because, yet again, people aren't interchangeable.
mircea_popescu: and there's no such thing as "views".
WillTablet: So any investment is just defined by how its used? Like if all pound coins but one in the world was destroyed, the one pound would become worth more than jhst a pound?
mircea_popescu: so you are, you'll be forever remembered as the goldstain of some views you didn't even hold.
mircea_popescu: (consciously)
mircea_popescu: in a sense, you're being raped.
mircea_popescu: s/goldstain/goldstein
WillTablet: If confusing teenagers is this fun, I can kinda see why teachers do it
ThickAsThieves: coins arent exactly investments
benkay: goldstain was pretty good
ThickAsThieves: they are vessels
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: so in order to make a good decision one has to look at what other people do and where that got them?
kakobrekla: sounds like something desirable, goldstain.
mircea_popescu: WillTablet as the girl explains. didja read it ?
ThickAsThieves: good thougth
ThickAsThieves: thought*
mircea_popescu: spicasspielers can't speal.
WillTablet: mircea_popescu: where?
ThickAsThieves: i can spell just fine, it's my fingers that never graduated
mircea_popescu: ;;google mpoe-pr personal responsibility and the ponzi scam
gribble: Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.0>; How Pyramid Schemes and Ponzi Schemes are Prosecuted in the ...: <http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/How-Pyramid-Schemes-and-Ponzi-Schemes-are-Prosecuted-in-the-US>; Domestic Taxation - LEHMAN TAX LAW: <http://www.lehmantaxlaw.com/category/domestic-taxation-2/>
mircea_popescu: 1. Learn the pecking order. All opinions are not equal. Some people are to be respected. Learn who. Some people are irrelevant and easily ignored. Learn who. More importantly than the who, learn why. Is it just because "everyone else seems to think so"? That's no good, forget it. Is it because they were right when everyone else was wrong? That's perfect, especially if it occurs with any sort of consistency.
mircea_popescu: 4. Step outside of your ideology. You might have been brought up in a very repressive social milieu in which some particular ideological slant was drilled into you. This is working to your disadvantage, get rid of it. Are you sticking up for your friends because they're your friends rather than because they have a point? Great for facebook, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Are you following the crowd like a welfa
mircea_popescu: re state lemming? Great for the white collar slave, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Do you think form is above content and as such it's okay to invade foreign countries and slaughter civilians just as long as nobody says shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker or tits on TV? Great for being an American, horrible for the free world. You will lose money.
benkay: welfare state lemming.
benkay: yummy.
mircea_popescu: i hear people actually eat lemming
mircea_popescu: never had one myself.
benkay: shoes too, some of 'em.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably cause while you were in school, they were cutting class into the schoolmates.
WillTablet: Right
WillTablet: Maybe I get this
mircea_popescu: what's the rush anyway.
benkay: WillTablet: you're probably young enough for it to make sense the first time you read it. consider it a blessing!
WillTablet: Seriously, prolly having some form of ASD is taking its toll hear
WillTablet: *here
WillTablet: Can someone just explain what they mean
mircea_popescu: what's the asd/atc rate ?
benkay: maybe, but channel that into focus on important things and learn how to handle humans. it /is/ a learnable skill.
WillTablet: Oh and my altcoin client says no block source available
Duffer1: pankakke have an addnode list?
mircea_popescu: wasn't it on the forum ?
Chris_Sabian_: you need to add a node
asciilifeform: 'came once to drakula an envoy from the great hungarian king mathias; a noble baron, of polish birth. and drakula did sit and dine with him among the corpses. and the envoy saw before him on the ground, a thick and gilded stake, and then drakula asked of the envoy: 'tell me, for what have i prepared this stake?' fear took hold of the envoy, who thought a while, and spoke: 'seems to me, my lord, that someone amo
asciilifeform: ng the noble has dealt with you unjustly, and for him you have prepared a death more stately than for others.' drakula answered, 'you speak the truth. here you are - an envoy of a great lord, a kingly emissary, it is for you that i have crafted this stake.' answered the envoy, 'lord, if i have wrought an injustice worthy of death - do with me as you will. you are an impartial judge - it is not you who shall be
asciilifeform: to blame for my demise, but i alone.' drakula laughed, and spoke thus, 'had you not answered as you did, you would have sat down upon this stake.' and the lord ordered the envoy honoured, and gifted, and sent off in peace, with the words: 'you may walk as an envoy from great lords, to great lords, because you know how to speak to great lords; while others ought not even try, but let them first learn how to spea
asciilifeform: k to a great lord.' such was the custom of drakula: when an inexperienced envoy came to him, from a king or an emperor, and could not answer the wily questions of drakula, he would be sat upon a stake, drakula saying to him this: 'not i am to blame for your demise, but your lord is, or perhaps you are. for if your lord knew that you are unintelligent and inexperienced, and still sent you to me - a wise lord, yo
asciilifeform: ur own lord has slaine you. if you yourself had decided to come, with your own hand you have slain your own self.' and thus did the lord prepare for an emissary a tall gilded stake, and sat him down upon it, and to his lord he would send a message praying that in the future he not send to the wise and learned ruler a stupid and unlearned envoy.'
mod6: Need to add a node to altcoin.conf: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118
WillTablet: Yuhuh
WillTablet: So does this advice have anything to do with the offer of atc
mircea_popescu: what offer of atc ?!
WillTablet: Does the offer somehow make a point or do the points somehow make the offer
mircea_popescu: who's offering atc!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform going a little too far isn't it ?
kakobrekla: the round rocks beneath the ground have spoken through the fire
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.12278 = 3.6834 BTC [-] {4}
Bugpowder: MPEx should have an ATC futures market, with delivery.
Duffer1: I believe I recall TaT offering ATC
mircea_popescu: nobody really has enough atc yet
WillTablet: I don't gave an altcoin.conf
Bugpowder: Maybe ATC.DIFF?
WillTablet: *have
Duffer1: it's just a .txt you create yourself and drop in the wallet folder
Chris_Sabian_: you need to make one
Bugpowder: We need some way to get in the ATC game. Why can't MPEx provide it?
kakobrekla: its not a .txt its a .conf!
Duffer1: er yea
benkay: Bugpowder: maybe an alt PMB
Duffer1: use notepad, add your text, name the file altcoin.conf
Chris_Sabian_: you create a .txt file with the info in it and then remain it as .conf
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's wrong with just populating the spot on apocalyptic's thing
kakobrekla: why dont we just call pirate do do another round of trust
Chris_Sabian_: path in windows: C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Altcoin
pankkake: kakobrekla: niggers.conf
Vexual: .dubstep
Duffer1: lol
kakobrekla: ithink its more beautysalon.txt
pankkake: the node I'm running is 188.165.216.59 and it's in the source code, if you built from it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: Bugpowder, they're waiting for you @ https://www.x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
kakobrekla: if you had to put css on it, at least make it look rite
Bugpowder: Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA.
pankkake: doesn't even have working api!
WillTablet: So I put this in the altcoin.conf?
WillTablet: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118
Apocalyptic: no charts, pankkake lies
kakobrekla: kako doesnt!
kakobrekla: WillTablet the third book is the book of assets log
mod6: WillTablet no
mod6: needs to be:
mod6: addnode=<IP>
kakobrekla: just do it in console
kakobrekla: simpler.
mod6: and as much as i lothe btctawk, read through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0;all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087211 = 16.0468 BTC [+]
WillTablet: Got it
WillTablet: Might take a while to sync
mod6: werd
Bugpowder: I need to setup my miner
Duffer1: how many mb is the altcoin blockchain up to?
WillTablet: I have a feeling this might take a while
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 100mb overhead and like 750 bytes of txn
Duffer1: did you guys ever get the source?
mircea_popescu: the most inefficient way to process information ever invented.
cads: hey guys, lemme offer my apologies for stirring up the channel last evening
cads: I was a trollish ass
WillTablet: So what exactly is special about ATC? What does priceless even mean?
Bugpowder: I am willing to buy 10BTC worth of ATC, OTC... pm me.
mircea_popescu: cads that's the point of life dood.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder at what price ?
nubbins`: to drink good wine before one's time?
Vexual: troll your pancreas
WillTablet: So this is still 2 weeks behind, no progress
WillTablet: Should I have added more nodes?
Bugpowder: 250 satoshi / ATC
mod6: Bug: I didn't have much luck with an order on the book for a week. Try x-bt, market seems to be between 400-500 satoshi
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i doubt that many atcs exist yet even
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10*10**8 / 250
gribble: 4000000
Vexual: nope
kakobrekla: Coins in circulation: 8,735,232 of ~268 Million (3.25%)
WillTablet: I feel so fucking stupid
Bugpowder: People said dogecoin was a joke, but ended up being very profitable for me. Altcoin's great benefit is optionality (look it up, I mean the technical finance term).
WillTablet: Ermahgerd
mod6: I got scammed out of 44k ATC @ openex so beware.
mircea_popescu: wow how ?
Vexual: how scammed?
Chris_Sabian_: mod6: there is an admin online on openex so you can be able to chat
mod6: they banned my account for no apparent reason, and haven't processed my last withdrawl.
WillTablet: Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable
Bugpowder: gox strat
mircea_popescu: outrageous.
mod6: So, it's kinda a wait and see situation. Ihave an email into their admins. Will give update when they make good.
Bugpowder: WillTablet: Depends on where you are on the adoption curve
WillTablet: Well, I am just burning up free azure credit
Chris_Sabian_: if anyone wants to make an altcoin p2p pool with bfgminer, that would be great
Vexual: mod6, they pay a lot of admins, i wonder what they do all day?
mircea_popescu: doesn't the current one support bfg ?
Chris_Sabian_: cgminer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
mod6: Looks like x-bt did process my withdrawl today.. so far so good. Thx to Apoc.
benkay: also WillTablet you're going to want to ditch that Microsoft habit. gonna get you in trouble.
WillTablet: benkay: how so?
Bugpowder: ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice/
mod6: Vexual: they just ban accounts apparently.
pankkake: Chris_Sabian_: http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ is a p2pool
Chris_Sabian_: mod6: was that your 20k alt sold?
mod6: for no gd reason
mod6: Chris:that was a buy
benkay: no time to explain. ask the channel.
Chris_Sabian_: how can I pm on here?
WillTablet: So why must I quit this Microsoft habit?
mircea_popescu: /query name
jborkl: Bitcore library made all that much easier
WillTablet: So is altcoin a joke or a deliberately bad example?
mircea_popescu: it's a deliberately bad joke.
Chris_Sabian_: but it is a bad joke that is selling for 350 satoshi each
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i bought a bunch for a third of that two weeks ago
mircea_popescu: i guess this makes me like one of the early atc success stories / nouveau riches.
Vexual: bc is oldmoney now huh?
mod6: ^^^
WillTablet: mircea_popescu: so should I just play along?
WillTablet: And be like oh yeah I knew it
WillTablet: Actually, I don't think I have time in life for BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20528 @ 0.00087172 = 17.8947 BTC [-] {2}
WillTablet: I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating
Chris_Sabian_: right now altcoin has a market cap of ~30 btc
WillTablet: Well, procrastination I'll figure out tomorrow
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: First work on kicking the MS habit.
WillTablet: Okay, what's the problem with it?
WillTablet: It isn't losing me momey
WillTablet: *money
benkay: not yet
mircea_popescu: WillTablet not really. just give yourself time to understand stuff.
WillTablet: But it stops when the credit runs out
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: If you have intense social problems there are few better things to do anyways than pick up a *nix habit.
kakobrekla: not sure if bashable
cads: :D
cads: +1
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: Linux, Unix, BSD, Solaris, Plan 9
WillTablet: Oh the server is ubuntu
WillTablet: My PC dual boots lm
mircea_popescu: you know it occurs to me oses are really like altchains
WillTablet: Which I use 50/50 with windows
mircea_popescu: and it's incredible there's no titsos yet
cads: oh hey, that reminds me
cads: has anyone applied portfolio theory to the bitcoin/altcoins system?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's he written on the topic ?
mircea_popescu: meh, loli os
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
pankkake: which was followed by the more serious http://lwn.net/Articles/565844/
benkay: Q : How/why did you make such a great OS?
benkay: A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work.
benkay: such work
benkay: much readong
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is rebecca black
benkay: ahahahaha
cazalla: gotta get down on friday
benkay: today in -assets, mircea_popescu catches up to 2012
pankkake: poor girl ending up as a meme
Chris_Sabian_: ...just dont go there
cads: "Manfred drops in at his hotel suite, unpacks his Aineko, plugs in a fresh set of cells to charge, and sticks most of his private
cads: keys in the safe. Then he heads straight for the party, which is currently happening at De Wildemann's; it's a twenty-minute
cads: walk, and the only real hazard is dodging the trams that sneak up on him behind the cover of his moving map display.
cads: Along the way, his glasses bring him up to date on the news. Europe has achieved peaceful political union for the first time
cads: ever: They're using this unprecedented state of affairs to harmonize the curvature of bananas. The Middle East is, well, it's
cads: just as bad as ever, but the war on fundamentalism doesn't hold much interest for Manfred. In San Diego, researchers are
cads: uploading lobsters into cyberspace, starting with the stomatogastric ganglion, one neuron at a time. They're burning GM
cads: cocoa in Belize and books in Georgia. NASA still can't put a man on the moon. Russia has re–elected the communist
cads: government with an increased majority in the Duma; meanwhile, in China, fevered rumors circulate about an imminent
cads: rehabilitation, the second coming of Mao, who will save them from the consequences of the Three Gorges disaster. In
cads: business news, the US Justice Department is – ironically – outraged at the Baby Bills. The divested Microsoft divisions have
cads: automated their legal processes and are spawning subsidiaries, IPOing them, and exchanging title in a bizarre parody of
cads: bacterial plasmid exchange, so fast that, by the time the windfall tax demands are served, the targets don't exist anymore,
cads: even though the same staff are working on the same software in the same Mumbai cubicle farms.
cads: Welcome to the twenty-first century."
mircea_popescu: omfg we'll have to put dpaste.com in the fucking topic of the fucking channel because all the fucking noobs can't find it on their own.
cads: - snip from Accelerando
cazalla: hello again cads, how are you today
cazalla: can't use pastebin or say hello? you are rude aren't you
cads: yeah, sorry guys, I was expecting it to be two or three lines
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Nothing that I have seen. Just likes to blather on about theory of alt coins and bitcoins and VC shit. The whole Andressen Horowitz Twitter axis does it (Chris Dixon, Balaji Srinasivan, and Marc) Not a bad follow though
Bugpowder: Twitter exclusively from what I've seen.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no argument, i just thought he actually published something useful / put some work into actually applying it or w/e.
Bugpowder: Oh hey this is kinda interesting.... Almost all NEW bitcoins are spent. http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/524796/show-me-the-bitcoins/
assbot: 123!
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: Because pools have to pay their hashers.
Bugpowder: Although, do they count pool payouts as "being spent"
Chris_Sabian_: spent just means sent to a different address
Chris_Sabian_: some new users could use a tumbler
cads: Bugpowder: I figured it be strange for miners to predominantly sell at the market price
mircea_popescu: someone mining on their own will still use a pool.
cads: exactly
mircea_popescu: set to private.
mircea_popescu: the block rewards will be sent to some sort of storage, even if it's just a cold wallet.
mircea_popescu: consequently, derpy article about no subject.
cads: so the news is just telling us the majority of new bitcoins are mined by the pools
pankkake: actually, some pools pay with the block reward
mircea_popescu: cads except it doesn't even do that. all it says is what i said above,
mircea_popescu: "past a certain hash even solo mining uses a private pool"
pankkake: so you can know, for those pools
pankkake: but for the others, you can't
Chris_Sabian_: how about this one: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=1&address=
Bugpowder: Why is intelligent coverage so hard to come by? Are they actually stupid or are they just building a narrative that is catchy but they know actually false?
pankkake: answer is in the question
Bugpowder: Jonah Lehrer and Gladwell should collab on a bitcoin book.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder because "views".
mircea_popescu: if you optimise for the largest possible counter of "views" it is antieconomical to actually publish intelligent coverage.
Bugpowder: This is the problem with scientific publishing too
mircea_popescu: publishers should be rewarded by indingnance.
mircea_popescu: the more pissed off more people are, the more dough they get.
Bugpowder: For example, the recent dip cells in acid and they become super stem cells paper in Nature... Bullshit
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder aww and i was eating all these oranges trying t oturn my stomach into an octopus!
Bugpowder: Post pup peer review ongoing... nobody can replicate it, now irregularities being discovered in the gel blots...
Bugpowder: But the narrative is so sexy... Nature publishes
mircea_popescu: i imagine it'll be a good day when most of the people commenting on Nature are going "hey guise Nature is nasty I am ignoring it hahaha!"
Bugpowder: See also "Arsenic DNA"
Vexual: hey if it gives a viable story for where the stem cells came from in future findings, it can only be good for science
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: That's the way it is on Twitter
cads: hmm, I might have an example of convenient narrative. I read an article of a blogger hyping maxcoin. She claims something about the mtgox situation that I can't quite understand, but seems to level the accusation that mtgox was engaging in fractional banking.
mircea_popescu: twitter is really very fragmented.
mircea_popescu: lots of idiot tribes.
Bugpowder: Vexual: Not if its total bullshit. It is negative for science, as that Nature slot is not used for something real.
cads: I don't know enough or care enough about mt gox to know what is going on there, but there was no mention of the bug or the millions lost
cads: and it seemed contrived, meant to attract money market types to maxcoin
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go as far as to say it's bad for science, but it definitely is inconvenient for anyone not an idiot with a nature subscription.
Bugpowder: Nature guarantees that your work will be read and discussed by many scientists. We have limited bandwidth, must use it optimally. (like hanging in bitcoin-assets)
mircea_popescu: cads was it also a rewrite of the trilema gox article ?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder obtaining cvorum on a definition of optimality however...
mircea_popescu: i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt.
mircea_popescu: that and a practical smattering of impudent cockletry with delusions of hitlerism, but anwyay.
cads: my though was that if money and fund types hear there was a bug that let criminals make off with millions they'd be unlikely to even consider what maxcoin has got going on that makes it 'even better' than bitcoin
cads: but if they hear that what's going on is that a trading house is doing a fractional banking scam, that's something that appeals much more to their refined palates
mircea_popescu: nobody asked the fund types.
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mircea_popescu: bitcoin will prevail in spite of the current hierarchy.
mircea_popescu: whether elements contribute or don't contribute has no systemic impact
mircea_popescu: as the sine qua non for contribution is abjuration.
BitcoinPropagand: We make free bitcoin advertising-posters-wallpapers for non-crypto users, take a look: http://bitcoinpropaganda.blogspot.com If you like what you see pls donate!
mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand hey, you the guy with the posters ?
mircea_popescu: do you actually print and glue those things or just design them ?
BitcoinPropagand: just design and give them for free why?
mircea_popescu: because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC
benkay: ship some to me
benkay: i'll go bike around town wheatpasting 'em
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BitcoinPropagand: interesting
benkay: i need something btc to do that's not this damn parser
mircea_popescu: but the facebook angle of "here's some pdfs of stuff we made in illustrator" has little adherence.
mircea_popescu: they'd have to be posted, and the postings photographed and so on.
mircea_popescu: lot of work on the ground.
Duffer1: billboards even
BitcoinPropagand: where can i see some of that?
mircea_popescu: they want to run illiterate articles in their bullshit rags nobody reads anyway, fine, let's put some paper on their limos.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 no, specifically not billboards.
mircea_popescu: i did the exact thing with Trilema posters in Romania five years ago, country was fucking full of stickers and whatnot.
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BitcoinPropagand: the t shirt of the woman is too short
mircea_popescu: that's a new one.
benkay: au contraire, not nearly short enough
cads: http://therealasset.co.uk/bitcoin-maxcoin/ okay here's the article -- the first paragraph in the section "trouble at mt gox" gives a summary of the mt gox problems - glitches in gox + a bug in bitcoin + trade halt at gox + double counting.
asciilifeform: can't resist asking, why no billboards.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the US CBS owns them all and fuck CBS.
cads: The it does this: "In effect, Mt Gox had left themselves wide open to any accusation that they were no different to any other system operating on a fractional reserve basis."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform roughly for the same reason you don't come to the global warming protest in your car.
cads: It reduces the (essentially context free) summary to that single rhetorically charged statement.
cads: first of all I just have to ask, 'wtf'?
mircea_popescu: cads why does some clueless piece in an irrelevant venue merit this much of your time ?
benkay: i'm pleased that 'fractional reserve' is now an insult.
mircea_popescu: now this is a good point.
benkay: 3!
cads: I was wondering about Bugpowder's earlier statement. Is this writer an idiot or a smooth PR savage?
mircea_popescu: useful idiot
mircea_popescu: covers everything.
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mircea_popescu: i'm kind-of surprised there isn't a localbitcoins but for activists.
mircea_popescu: a central exchange where people can trade their deeds.
mircea_popescu: decentralised, of course.
benkay: people who can build web applications while derpy as fuck are significantly less derpy than people who burn their hours trying to fix the world.
benkay: in that the former chase profit and the later abhor it.
mircea_popescu: well seems like a bug more than a feature, this.
cads: mircea_popescu: did you ever hear of the 'Freicoin' demurage currency formulated by some of the occupy wallstreet people?
benkay: except that fixing the world is impossible except randomly from time to time as in the satoshi case.
mircea_popescu: cads yes, at the time.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i thought it's a good match, it's about as misguided as the people that came up with it.
asciilifeform: freicon! arbeit macht frei.
asciilifeform: i still don't get how that was supposed to work. 'eat shit! it tastes just as good as food! trust us'
BingoBoingo: freicoin removes Bitcoin's biggest market driver - "store of value"
mircea_popescu: benkay "being rich" is also impossible, how about that.
cads: The Freicoin website says, "Freicoin's parameters are carefully chosen to eliminate the basic interest component of investments, called the liquidity premium by economists. Usurious non-zero basic interest distorts the free market, incentivises poisonous greed, excess, and short-term thinking, and perpetuates a vicious cycle of boom/bust recessions."
BitcoinPropagand: Whos ur target, what's ur budget?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because if you really really will something, that'll matter. in that your imagination has some bearing on reality.
benkay: you and i are both using "impossible" in the sense of "impossible for you or most other people"
benkay: mircea_popescu ^^
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mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's just self-defeating. the previous fixage becomes the baseline for the new brokedness
mircea_popescu: the richness of yesterday is merely poverty now.
benkay: except in bitcoin, mircea_popescu
cads: mircea_popescu: the market cap of freicoin is an initial jump followed by an absolutely perfect exponential decay: http://coinmarketcap.com/frc_90.html
benkay: the richness of today is the more richness of tomorrow
cads: mircea_popescu: freicoin ain't going to inspire no greed, no sir!
mircea_popescu: cads you grossly misrepresent "greed".
cads: arguably their mission is complete :)
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm mostly laughing at freicoin.
mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand my budget is for the purpose of this discussion unlimited, but it is also unfortunately useless.
mircea_popescu: i could have just bought out the damned billboards if that was the angle i wanted.
mircea_popescu: cads o i missed a sarcasm there.
cads: I heard about it from, get this, a grungy muddy finance grad student living with two other grungy dudes in a 300 tent colony that had sprung up in one of the main parks in the center of atlanta
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cads: living cramped in a tent*
mircea_popescu: were they confused as to the whereabouts of wall street ?
asciilifeform: i still don't grok this. did anyone actually wish to use freicoin? or merely for others to use it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that question cuts to the heart of the matter.
cads: mircea_popescu: no no, to the left and the right and the north and the south towered the enormous buildings of the billionaires
mircea_popescu: does the "feminist" not wish to wear slutty clothes herself,
cads: laughing at them
mircea_popescu: or for other girls stop doing it ?
cads: boxing them in :D
cads: it was funny because there were business men filing nervously past the tents every day
mircea_popescu: you know, i'd have gone to work early and hung out with the bums half an hour.
cads: on the camp ground there was hustle and bustle and optimism and the undeniably knowledge that they were DOING SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: why pay for entertainment.
asciilifeform: 'less world, more bank!'
cads: they had, get thiss
cads: runners
cads: runners that would run between camps in the city
cads: and spread news :D
mircea_popescu: i'd have been all like "but yo, if there's no more banks, were'd you check your privilege ?"
mircea_popescu: so good for them. running is quite healthy for young men.
benkay: you keep it in your encrypted privelege wallet
cads: the dialog of privilege had not been opened in the public yet
cads: the key meme was the rhetoric of the "one percent"
mircea_popescu: i'd have had my printer print special PRIVILEGE CHECKs
mircea_popescu: and distributed them.
cads: haha
cads: maybe that's all white people have to do
benkay: privileged to rape one feminist?
mircea_popescu: and the kids' be all "but we don't have an account"
cads: well come on to the MP bank!
cads: and sign up!
mircea_popescu: and i'd have been all like a well.
benkay: "it's just a fantasy, office! this is totally consensual!"
cads: "free checking and savings for students"
mircea_popescu: mp bank prolly charges 100k to open an acct anyway.
KRS-One: heh
benkay: it's really a membership fee to the cigar and wine vaults
benkay: banking's just a side-bennie
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'll happen once teh bitcoin forum crowd finds out there actually are plenty of irl banks that work exactly this way.
asciilifeform: i actually entertained myself at the wash. d.c. 'occupy' regularly, until it finally croaked. got GBs of video of these folks clowning around in a thousand riotously inane ways.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you pick up ?
nubbins`: ^ you know, that's not an entirely difficult task to pull off.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` provided enough people think with their heads, yes.
asciilifeform: it wasn't like they quizzed you for redditard orthodoxy at the door (what door)
asciilifeform: lots of idlers, in nice suits or otherwise, came to gawk.
mircea_popescu: so i wouldn't have been the only one huh,
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu: any decent-sized city likely has a number of print shops that would happily churn out and slap up posters
mircea_popescu: srsly, if the ny mayor had any sense he'd have passed an ordinance saying that kids are allowed to camp indefinitely oly for as long as they're naked, also get three meals a day courtesy of the city.
nubbins`: you could even get some of the big names to do some designs, get a bit of momentum behind it
mircea_popescu: then pass clothes dump trucks to collect the textile contraband, and beat the shit out of any dressed kids left.
asciilifeform: here, eventually the city confiscated their latrines.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You don't want to hit the big cities. Go for the select suburbs and exurbs where they actually live.
asciilifeform: some found their way into restaurant shitters, others did what they will where they stood
asciilifeform: eventually health inspectors condemned the tents.
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BitcoinPropagand: I need to know more about that program of propaganda
nubbins`: BitcoinPropagand: what's to know? make posters and hire kids to put 'em up. this is how shows are advertised all across north america
benkay: mircea_popescu: that's what made me think about cold-calling DC intl law firms.
ThickAsThieves: dammit i'm missing good conversations
ozbot: US law firm ensnared in spying by NSA ally | TheHill
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform new york missed a huge opportunity to start the largest fuckfest/rave in the history of the us.
mircea_popescu: could have eaten rio's festival tourist trade right off.
benkay: what do you call 8 bankers jumping out of a plane?
asciilifeform: they sorta did
benkay: scuse me 8 programmers
asciilifeform: but with genuine bums in the mix, it was 'acquired taste' rather than 'general interest' kind of affair.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA. /// http://atc.blockr.io
benkay: NO WAIT FORUMFOLK
benkay: "air pollution"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean all the waspish wallflowers weren't about to take smelly bum cock ?
asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: they'd have been all over that.
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable /// yeah but nubbins might call you a scammer
asciilifeform: evidently not enough.
mircea_popescu: only because of the ny mayor missing some very reasonable measures.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice /// has he made alt versions before?
mircea_popescu: if they did what i propose you'd have a baby boom on your hands atm
asciilifeform: at any rate, the politically-aspirational academtards who were the 'krysha' of occupy eventually pulled the plug
asciilifeform: after der fuhrer's re-election was clinched
benkay: last thing we need is more 99%ers
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating // dont confuse procrastinating with not wanting to do stupid shit
mircea_popescu: benkay more children is a time-tested solution to any social problem.
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: doge-dice has huge volume
Bugpowder: I had to add it to my hosts file
Bugpowder: along with just-dice
KRS-One: i took just-dice money and they arent getting it back
asciilifeform: as if it needs much of an explanation beyond simple translation in the anglo world.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Move it into BitBet
asciilifeform: (or elsewhere for that matter)
KRS-One: i will
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> lots of idiot tribes. // you owe Seth Godin royalties now
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: What bets are you looking at atm?
Bugpowder: benkay: If you want, my good friend is a DC associate at said international law firm.
KRS-One: havent looked for the last week or two
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves right, the dood contributed.
Bugpowder: don't exactly understand why you want to contact them
cazalla: check your bitcoin privilege
benkay: sell 'em cardanos, Bugpowder
benkay: plus "how to keep comms secure" lessons
Bugpowder: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS
benkay: oh you no cardano?
benkay: homie you behind the times like whoa
benkay: ;;google cardano
benkay: ;;google trilema cardano
gribble: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements>; Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/>; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)
benkay: (first (second %))
mircea_popescu: from the random herp with mental issues and lulzy url department : http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10482
KRS-One: hmm
KRS-One: why is everyone yes?
KRS-One: mostly ys
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: You know it will be an interesting sweat.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. < not really, was just to impress girls.
mircea_popescu: that too
Bugpowder: sounds good
Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: weighting sux
mircea_popescu: look at that, benkay may have actually got himself rich.
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Bugpowder: cardano... looks legit!
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: Not really given where Gox is going.
Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: I think there is an 80% chance that resolves as yes.
BingoBoingo: Oh, ye of excessive faith.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: A decent second choice would be to start a BitBet.
BingoBoingo: South Syndney Rabbitohs to win the NRL regular season.
cazalla: up the tigers
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ThickAsThieves: i took no on that bet
Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: If you feel so strongly, why not buy the O.USD.P500T @ 1.500 BTC
ThickAsThieves: just in case
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: I'm tied up in other things atm.
ThickAsThieves: well, for fun
KRS-One: That gox bet stinks, if they arent insolvent I'm sure they will be above $150
BingoBoingo: Well it depends on how long they can play pretend.
ThickAsThieves: well thats the bet at this point
KRS-One: They can get bought out too before anything drastic happens, I'm sure.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: How much BTC are you looking to Bitbet, enough to play both sides?
KRS-One: There is a bit of goodwill with the mtgox brand..its been around a while.
KRS-One: Heh interesting
KRS-One: u can play both huh
Duffer1: brand presence sure but i wouldn't really call it goodwill :P
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Playing both sides is often the best way to BitBet
KRS-One: goodwill is also negative
KRS-One: just the fact the brand is well known is what counts and even adds to balance sheets
mircea_popescu: KRS-One you're wrong on that score.
mircea_popescu: mtgox is widely known for being shit.
mircea_popescu: this makes it a net negative, like bfl.
mircea_popescu: anyone seriously thinking of running their business would immediately rebrand.
mircea_popescu: not that anyone seriously is thinking of running their business.
ThickAsThieves: rebrand by pissing on it
KRS-One: goodwill whether negative or positive is accounted for on balance sheets
Duffer1: ohh i see like trilema asset reports
nubbins`: at this point trading magic cards would add legitimacy to their operation
Vexual: ^^
Duffer1: i took that to mean something else...
BingoBoingo: I still have no answer to my wondering if maybe Mark Gox has a touch of Downs.
KRS-One: so even though mtgox has a negative reputation, most publications reference them..is that a bad thing to a new company trying to acquire the brand?
KRS-One: publications are always quoting prices from mtgox
KRS-One: and they've had a bad rep for years
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Unless you are fiat capitalized out of the wazoo.
mircea_popescu: KRS-One it is, yes.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a mass venture. this isn;'t trying to bring about the next britney spears.
KRS-One: Im not making an argument for that really but i dig.
mircea_popescu: that aside "publications" are about as relevant as mice.
mircea_popescu: mice have been trying to eat cheese for millenia. does this mean cheese is a bank ?
KRS-One: Started out as bitbet wheher gox will go out of business.
mircea_popescu: should i plug my keyboard into a large block of cheese ?
KRS-One: Happy Birthday dude..not sure what the whole thing is on birthdays anyway..I passed the last 3 without any fanfare.
kakobrekla: happy bingo birthday
BingoBoingo: Thank you. I already had the delicous birthday dinner. Roast beef tongue.
mike_c: gratz bingo. make a bet today. b-day bets are always lucky.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I made the unluckiest bet of all. I bought a lottery ticker with my vodka from the Arab store.
mike_c: hah. might as well swing big
BingoBoingo: Well it was for the little lotto so I have a 1 in 500,000 chance of winning.
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BingoBoingo: If I win though, I'll probably add 50 BTC to my holdings.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if one must play lotto, why the fiat variety, and not xxx-dice?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lotto has a longer lead time until chance renders its verdict. I like to savor the tension.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.115 = 1.38 BTC [-]
pankkake: yeah it feels weird for lotto chances of winning
BitcoinPropagand: nubbins` 1st you need to have the right message otherwise you will pass unnoticed
nubbins`: no need to tell me that!
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well another upside to the lotto is most of my losing ticket I can know goes to miseducating the children.
BitcoinPropagand: what's the concept then?
nubbins`: no concept
pankkake: I've only bet 3×0.01BTC at 0.0099% chance
nubbins`: just talking hypotheticals
pankkake: BingoBoingo: your sentence does not compute
pankkake: at least in my head
nubbins`: another upside to X is that Y goes to Z
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe you are Sparc, while I am still 68k
nubbins`: Y being bingo's wasted money
nubbins`: Z goes to reading wallabee entrails
nubbins`: wallaby
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm not an Aussie. Wallabee would be too expensive to fly out just for that.
nubbins`: why do i think you are?
nubbins`: i think it's your nick
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Vexual: of the extra hydroxyls
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Prolly cause I'm awake when the Aussies are.
pankkake: this chan has weird sleep patterns
pankkake: I guess it's why I got sucked into it!
nubbins`: it's 11:36pm
pankkake: it's 4:06 am
nubbins`: it's a new type of win
ozbot: [BOUNTY] Need a logo and slogan for new hybrid exchange
KRS-One: I still think even though there are companies with bad reputations that buying the brand is still worthwhile and even adds to the balance sheet.
BingoBoingo: It's 8 minutes after the hour
BingoBoingo: Sometime you suckers will abandon days and learn to embrace living by the hour
KRS-One: I'd have to disagree with mircea_popescu. I mean look at K-Mart it was bought by sears and nobody liked K-Mart.
nubbins`: heh.
KRS-One: A lot of money was involved with that.
KRS-One: I learned a little something in college.
KRS-One: between parties
KRS-One: and work and goofing off
kakobrekla: yes, time is arbitrary. i have been saying this for years now.
nubbins`: what are numbers, anyway?
BingoBoingo: Nobay likes sears either KRS-One
kakobrekla: and with that, im leaving cause its fukken late!
nubbins`: i'm leaving because i'm listless
KRS-One: yeah and they didnt change the kmart brand
KRS-One: point is, even though there are people who might not like the brand, its well known.
KRS-One: it can be improved
KRS-One: try starting up a compnay with some new name that you just pull out of your ass
BingoBoingo: No, K-mart has been doomed since Rosanne took its guns
KRS-One: even shitts companies make sales
KRS-One: *shitty
KRS-One: im not saying they are doing well just the fact that iwas a big aquisition and they didnt change the brand
BitcoinPropagand: is he/she always like this?
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ozbot: Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: That thread is an excellent exercise in separating soil from shit.
BitcoinPropagand: idk i'm just a tourist
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: No, that's my line.
the20year1: taking guns from retailers in teh US always has a negative effect on business. Men hate to shop, by selling guns they bring in men
Bugpowdurr: Goat needs to get his Lambo repo'ed and hauled off to jail.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: Take some time and read. Everyone expects everyone else to try for six months on the reading anyways.
BitcoinPropagand: i just did it
BingoBoingo: The full six months?
BingoBoingo: How many BTC for your time machine?
KRS-One: ozbot just give my my bait
KRS-One: .bait
ThickAsThieves: i thought that butt was gold for a second
pankkake: gold butts are only for bitcoin conferences
pankkake: when's the altcoin conference?
pankkake: and altcoin foundation
Vexual: know any cool catacomb clubs?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Maybe if you offer evidence of not being a cop.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr whats your story with goat ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake you should prolly be doing the altcoin conference.
pankkake: last time I presented something in public, no one understood what my project was
Vexual: perfect
nubbins`: that's because you're not supposed to take your cock out on the bus ;(
mircea_popescu: pankkake now you see my wisdom.
pankkake: not really
mircea_popescu: "He had a 4.0 GPA in English (and English fluency-required) classes throughout high school and college" < lol
mircea_popescu: pankkake nobody understands wtf atc is also.
benkay: goat on the forum today
benkay: re mpex
benkay: "sooner or later greater fools will run out of money"
benkay: s/money/btc
mircea_popescu: amusingly, he's been derping this since 2011
mircea_popescu: in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.11403333 = 0.6842 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12820 @ 0.0008765 = 11.2367 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: here's something to consider : ancient china had FOUR beauties. that's it. four.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has had four "major" singer-songwriter chicks this week
Mats_cd03: beauties?
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin has had at least fourty-four greatest businesses last half hour.
mircea_popescu: in any field oif "business" one might be interested.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 ya. beauties.
pankkake: I'd think it's mostly because information flows faster. and there's almost unlimited bandwidth
pankkake: more crap now!
Mats_cd03: what do you mean beauties
the20year1: greatest businesses?
mircea_popescu: and because since they're all ugly and stupid, how are you to even distinguish.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the plural of the noun beauty. like a beauty, two beauties.
asciilifeform: the four uglies. one entices rocks to float. one enwings bricks. one puts out the sun, who refuses to illuminate her face. one wilts flowers.
mircea_popescu: "turns rocks to turds"
asciilifeform: amazing! rock converter.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Vexual: is she a volcano?
mircea_popescu: judging by the hydrogen sulfide...
asciilifeform: Vexual: nah, merely an anti-Midas.
Vexual: can't smell it, just lit my philospohy pipe
Bugpowdurr: <mircea_popescu> in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x Nothing personal. Just one of the scammers that hasn't been shut down yet.
mircea_popescu: he has, tho.
mircea_popescu: it's just... he has not much better to do with his time anyway, so he keeps coming back.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So far the altcoin trading isn't going bad.
Bugpowdurr: I really do want some ATC.
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Buy at market on x-btc
Bugpowdurr: I think it could really appreciate in value and I could flip it for 10x
BingoBoingo: Sorry x-bt
Bugpowdurr: given the trajectory
mircea_popescu: what value ? and why would it appreciate in price anyway ?
Bugpowdurr: Can one deposit to ATC
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: x-bt.com is the least scammy ATC exchange.
Bugpowdurr: Collective delusions cause price increases all the tim.
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Buy all of my asks
Bugpowdurr: What makes ATC any different from 10s of 'mining stocks' or other alt coins? Nothing essential
Vexual: its the only altcoin and it has a philosophy club
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Because defining is has continued longer than any meme has in history.
Bugpowdurr: It has at its core, the same driver of price as any other one of these.
Bugpowdurr: doge is the biggest winner in that fiedl
mircea_popescu: doge is in a mudslide all of its own.
mircea_popescu: no fields.
nubbins`: ooh, 'fi' looks gross in this font
Bugpowdurr: The enthusiasm level on the street is palpable.
Bugpowdurr: You might not see it over in RO, but in Santa Monica meet up, people were pumped about doge.
Bugpowdurr: PRE price runup
mircea_popescu: what runup, afair it was going down
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason i put zero stock in whatever the us folk get "pumped up" about is because that's what they do for the sake of doing it. they have nothing to talk about so they tell each other how excited they are about random, unremarkable stuff.
BingoBoingo: Doge just had a halving didn't it and it still trades below ATC?
ThickAsThieves: Doge is basically the social media of altcoins
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doge basically runs a dump and dillute, to extract five bux a head from the starbucks crowd in santa monica
ThickAsThieves: a fukn scourge
mircea_popescu: in this sense it makes zero difference to count "halvings" and whatnot
mircea_popescu: they just change the pow whenever to inflate it all away.
mircea_popescu: and honestly, if i wanted fiddy grand out of a bunch of cali retards a) i wouldn't spend 80 grand to get it and b) i wouldn't bother this many people with the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: but then again that's me.
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin is worth more than AKC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And thousands of penny stocks have done that before. It is why wops that don't read are doomed to repeat history, because Ponzi was a fucking Guinea.
Bugpowdurr: It went from 25 to 290 satoshi... I had 20M I bought low and sold at 50 to rebuy on a dip. Felt like I had been unfaithful and was punished.
ThickAsThieves: BitcoinPropagand -> www.therealaltcoin.org
Bugpowdurr: Case in point - Tweeter
Bugpowdurr: TWTRQ
mircea_popescu: yes dood, and some twerps made a "brand" out of some youtube video.
mircea_popescu: the word is epiphenomena.
Bugpowdurr: I respect the position of not wanting to participate in epiphenomena, but this attitude is exactly the same as what Joe Phil Morgan types use to talk themselves out of making bitcoin investments. Or Tren Griffin into thinking that alt-coins are where its really at.
mircea_popescu: no argument.
BitcoinPropagand: ThickAsThieves there's a exchange for that?
mircea_popescu: i was entirely at risk of missing bitcoin entirely, if it weren't for all teh people screaming at me,
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: x-bt.com
mircea_popescu: so it's a street not a fence.
Vexual: BingoBoingo, did you buy some half decent vodka for your birthday?
BitcoinPropagand: looks interesting this is yours?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: No. I made a point to get the cheapest.
mircea_popescu: and with that i bid you all a very good time and you can call me asleep.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: It is Apocalyptic's exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00297498 = 0.952 BTC [+]
ozbot: Police arrest a woman for failing to return 9-year-overdue J-Lo VHS | Ars Technica
Vexual: shes luck it wasn't my j-lo tape
ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Jenny from the Block - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Vexual: You know what would be nice?
Vexual: whats that friend?
BitcoinPropagand: a billion dollars
BitcoinPropagand: my twitter: btcpropaganda
BitcoinPropagand: nice to meet u guys
Vexual: link tat propa
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Imagine Niki Minaj's ass adapted to J-Lo's frame
ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Waiting For Tonight - YouTube
KRS-One: j-lo boooooty
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: Mmmm nicew
Vexual: how u do that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9699 @ 0.00087647 = 8.5009 BTC [-]
MisterE: morning guys
Vexual: -booty
MisterE: I'm starting to think this Manu Sporny fellow is quite the tool
KRS-One: type: .bait
MisterE: from his twittwe
MisterE: and turn on inline images
MisterE: Twitter*
MisterE: .bait
ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Love Don't Cost a Thing - YouTube
Duffer1: oh nice i totally forgot about that one
Jere_Jones: In a currency pair, one of them is called the "Base Currency". WTF is the other side of the currency pair called? Does it even *have* a name?
Vexual: other
Jere_Jones: Seriously?
Vexual: u new?
Jere_Jones: I have not the knowledge of someone experienced and often ask stupid questions.
Jere_Jones: I have been encouraged to do so. :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00290432 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: Jere_Jones, have some cake and finish your blog later
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Ask your question better.
Jere_Jones: I don't blog
Vexual: context?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.0008765 = 2.498 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: "There are two hard problems in computer science". The second problem.
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo Vexual's answer was surprising but it was a good enough answer for my purposes.
Vexual: i just repeated what you said
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Maybe blogging is your answer
cads: what the fuck
cads: martingales are really simple
BingoBoingo: cads: martingales suck.
cads: they seem surreal
BingoBoingo: What works better than martingale is full orderbook comination with a wide bid-ask spread
BingoBoingo: Or betting on sporting events with certain outcomes against brain damaged handicappers.\
BingoBoingo: Right now Olympic hockey is quite the honeyhole
cads: I'm not sure how martingales relate to trading strategies yet, I'm talking about martingale measures in the mathematical probability
cads: I'm trying to build up to stochastic integrals
BingoBoingo: cads: The problem is the problem you identified is too broken to solve.
BingoBoingo: Stochiastic shit works in chemistry when mistakes == death from poison gas.
BingoBoingo: In BTC/(rando alternative) idiots happen though.
ozbot: D'Angelo - Untitled [How Does It Feel] - YouTube
BingoBoingo: If you want to plate the hood and trunklid of your car in rhodium sulfate idiots generally won't interfere.
BingoBoingo: If however you try to make some sort of market trade... Idiots emerge to gum the gears of efficiency
ozbot: Cody ChesnuTT - Look Good In Leather - YouTube
ozbot: The Roots _The Seed HD+lyrics. - YouTube
Jere_Jones: AHA! "Quote Currency"
ozbot: Quincy Jones - The Streetbeater aka Sanford & Son Theme - YouTube
cads: BingoBoingo: idiot percolation theory :)
cads: like holes in a semiconductor
BingoBoingo: cads: Not quite percolation
cads: regulation of idiot flows with subtle currents
cads: :D
cads: BingoBoingo: indeed, a lot less predictable
Mats_cd03: dongs basically
Vexual: fuck thats funky
BingoBoingo: 12 minutes left in my birthday. WHo wants to level up some cunts 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4
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