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ben_vulpes: ;;ud garburator
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=garburator | garburator. A canadian word that involves garbage disposal through your kitchen sink! When you turn it on, it makes a loud grating noise and... bye bye garbage!
BingoBoingo: So I refuse to learn Andreas's last name. as a style guide is developed... Does Andreas the Greek work as a canonical term? Is it unambiguous enough?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50279 @ 0.00073537 = 36.9737 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: andreas nongrok ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24644 @ 0.0007343 = 18.0961 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: andreas monopolis
thickasthieves: teh greek
BingoBoingo also wonders what part of dead andreas doesn't understand since his own followers made it real
thickasthieves: probly the part where he's still breathing
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: You hear the story about the parent and the child. Their cat was pregnant, whole litter delivered dead. Child said "let's make crosses"
BingoBoingo: Once crosses were made child asks parent "Where are the nails?"
thickasthieves: andreas does bare the devil's peak
BingoBoingo: As I heard the story out, the kittens were not crucified in the end
thickasthieves: probly for the best
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00073632 = 5.412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73650 @ 0.00073411 = 54.0672 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: ditch freenode when
BingoBoingo: Some time
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.01, Best ask: 400.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 400.78, 24 hour volume: 25769.30867291, 24 hour low: 368.07, 24 hour high: 405.0, 24 hour vwap: 386.157670203
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 36364528238.0 based on data since last change | 36750497181.1 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00073413 = 20.1886 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck wa sthat ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11152 @ 0.0007343 = 8.1889 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinik
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I was going to ask that, and then I realised that I didn't want to know the answer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8698 @ 0.0007376 = 6.4156 BTC [+]
thickasthieves: google found it
thickasthieves: it's for real
thickasthieves: here have another 2%
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 406.05, Best ask: 407.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 406.99, 24 hour volume: 26885.68621359, 24 hour low: 368.07, 24 hour high: 407.82, 24 hour vwap: 386.98702471
thickasthieves: going lolmode
xinxi: any options trader?
xinxi: ;;gettrust wangxinxi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user wangxinxi to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=wangxinxi&dest=wangxinxi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wangxinxi | Rated since: Mon Oct 13 16:19:46 2014
xinxi: is there any options trader?
RagnarDanneskjol: lol @ mp's rating
xinxi: is it funny?
RagnarDanneskjol: not laughing @ you xinxi - just the comment left in your otc rating
xinxi: yah, he is a humorous guy.
RagnarDanneskjol: I assume you are asking if anyone here offers options trading?
xinxi: yes
RagnarDanneskjol: there are no more options on mpex to be clear: http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/
assbot: MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00073454 = 14.1032 BTC [-]
xinxi: the volume is not bad.
RagnarDanneskjol: you might find individuals willing to do p2p options contrcts
xinxi: That’s interesting, but how to deal with the collateral thing?
xinxi: use an existing escrow?
RagnarDanneskjol: sure thats one way to do it
xinxi: thickasthieves, can I know more recent volume?
thickasthieves: it no longer exists
xinxi: I am just wondering what happend to MPOE? it used to be good.
RagnarDanneskjol: it is explained in the article above
RagnarDanneskjol: you might find this site helpful for market data: http://www.btcalpha.com/
assbot: Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18922 @ 0.00073571 = 13.9211 BTC [+] {3}
xinxi: I see.
xinxi: it’s a pitty.
xinxi: the volatility of bitcoin is too high
xinxi: building a vanilla options exchange is really quite risky.
mircea_popescu: xinxi what options are you trying to write ?
xinxi: i am building an options exchange actually.
xinxi: but as vanilla opitons are too risky. I am right now focusing on binary options.
mircea_popescu: there's about a dozen scammy sites trying to get that working in bitcoin
xinxi: yeah, i know.
mircea_popescu: there's about five hundred dozen scammy sites trying to get that working in fiat, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason binary options aren't used in finance.
xinxi: yeah, right. I know the situation.
mircea_popescu: so then ?
xinxi: the binary options provided by them are OTC traded.
xinxi: that makes them gambling sites.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December :: 2.03 B (16%) on Yes, 10.9 B (84%) on No | closing in 1 week 17 hours | weight: 79`475 (100`000 to 50`000)
mircea_popescu: in its proper place, ie, a gambling site.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ << that's probably the recoird holding btc binary option to date.
assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 755.39 B (91%) on No | closing in 1 month 5 days | weight: 10`108 (100`000 to 1)
xinxi: yeah, but i want to change the situation by building a fair exhcange.
mircea_popescu: what makes you think you're the guy to do that ?
xinxi: a place some one can trade using the black-schole models.
xinxi: yes, good question.
xinxi: i have been trading for more than 7 years.
xinxi: and I am a phd in computer science.
RagnarDanneskjol: so what's your gameplan?
xinxi: I am also a honest person that people can trust, but i know this is hard to prove.
mircea_popescu: it's not hard to prove at all.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident xinxi
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None
xinxi: …i know that I did not trade using bitcoin-otc.
xinxi: thta’s why i did not get many ratings.
mircea_popescu: looky, point remains : you're young, you're smart, you wanna do something. that's fine. you're in no position to evaluate what's worth doing and what isn't, and are currently solipsistically proceeding towards something that's not worth doing.
mircea_popescu: your best move is to actually read the log, not like people don't get things to do all the time, that's actually worth doing
mircea_popescu: nanotube could the defaults on viewratingdetail.php be sorted by time rather than by rate'rs total point count ? it kinda pointlessly emphasises a meaningless measure, as-is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 162 @ 0.09360999 = 15.1648 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;seen sgornick
gribble: sgornick was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 16 hours, 51 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <sgornick> > Bitcoin are B⃦, ฿, and Ƀ. <--- Which do you prefer?
xinxi: mp, I’m a bit suprised that you see so many things from me in such as short conversation.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sgornick you ever got a hold of cazalla in the end ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: xinxi all the things you don't say are informative. i'm a mage of silences.
xinxi: brilliant. but how do you know it’s not worth doing? is there any evidence for that?
mircea_popescu: well that's where it becomes complicated.
mircea_popescu: for you, i imagine not.
gabriel_laddel: xinxi: if you don't mind my asking, where did you get your phd from, what is your favorite programming language(s) and why?
xinxi: National University of Singapore. it’s the best school of Singapore.
assbot: Sara X Does Mozarts Eine kleine Nachtmusik - YouTube
xinxi: my favorite programming language is C++, because that’s what I learnt when I was in my high school.
xinxi: mp, I very much want to know your point.
mircea_popescu: anyone seen the man who wasn't there ?
mircea_popescu: coen bros.
mircea_popescu: xinxi look, proof is a problem of the observer. i listed two major counts : one that it never went anywhere before, the other that it's already done, by bitbet. neither of these impressed you.
RagnarDanneskjol: billybob gives me the creeps
mircea_popescu: this means you're not particularly looking for evidence, you're moreover chasing a vision or w/e they call daydreaming these days.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol excellent film that.
RagnarDanneskjol: not too shabby
mircea_popescu: i was like, having prop bets while watching it. "does he fuck the teenager"
mircea_popescu: "is casper coming back"
RagnarDanneskjol: xinxi - there was a pretty decent case study summarized in the february statement
mircea_popescu: where is that write-up, with the intellectuals
RagnarDanneskjol: you're on it
mircea_popescu: lol no, 1930s
assbot: From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com
mircea_popescu: here we go. course meanwhile wiipedia, reddit and the rest of the charade stoile it.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : "I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of
mircea_popescu: coming back to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of “thinking” I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - yeah for vanilla options, it is too risky, but I don’t see any problem with binary options technically.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00073936 = 2.9574 BTC [+]
xinxi: I think there is somekind of bias in the article about the phds.
mircea_popescu: of course there is. but that bias isn't my point.
xinxi: when I do research, I do not look for excitement.
mircea_popescu: my point is merely that throughout a man's lifetime, his thought process is and remains flawed.
xinxi: i solve problems, not matter how simple the method I use.
mircea_popescu: the only thing that changes is the flavour.
xinxi: right, human see what they want to see.
mircea_popescu: brain isn't made for thinking, after all.
mircea_popescu: we just use it that way.
xinxi: that’s an interesting point.
xinxi: Thanks to all of you for the suggestions.
xinxi: I actually have built the exchange.
mircea_popescu: i'd have expected no less.
xinxi: The address is https://coinut.com
xinxi: you are welcome to criticise.
mircea_popescu: i guess utbit'd have been a worse choice.
RagnarDanneskjol: the site looks nice xinxi
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - Thanks. I just saw you registered.
xinxi: any criticism?
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm going through it - will get back later
punkman: 'ello
xinxi: Oh, man, thanks a lot.
RagnarDanneskjol: you might want to try this bcauth login made by Azelphur at some point - https://github.com/Azelphur/django-bcauth
assbot: Azelphur/django-bcauth GitHub
RagnarDanneskjol: punkman - how goes the deed project?
xinxi: Thanks. It looks quite interesting to me.
xinxi: I need to go for lunch, ttyl.
xinxi: This is a truely nice place.
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: almost there, but all the moving parts with threads due to supybot/electrum make my head hurt
mircea_popescu: punkman what's electrum doing ?
mircea_popescu: o the wallet ?
punkman: yeah
RagnarDanneskjol: yea - much better than api
RagnarDanneskjol: not as good as daemon tho
RagnarDanneskjol: still - it'll do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 95 @ 0.09995368 = 9.4956 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: mircea_popescu: about those bbet shares, can they be delivered in a year or something? don't want to let them evaporate via coinbr fees just yet
mircea_popescu: i think this should be ok, yeah,
mircea_popescu: this may be the first time in history someone asks to have shares tranferrred into warrants o.O
punkman: seems like the only sensible option at this time
cazalla: mircea_popescu, he has not been back since he mentioned the feed
cazalla: i left him a note anyway, i'm sure he will see it eventually
gabriel_laddel: !s crazy shit stick no reason
assbot: 0 results for 'crazy shit stick no reason' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crazy+shit+stick+no+reason
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21111 @ 0.0007387 = 15.5947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00073973 = 26.0015 BTC [+] {2}
gabriel_laddel: xinxi: inital impressions of your service: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xz45zSPZ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18723 @ 0.0007411 = 13.8756 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: so many wallets being released
assbot: Unlike Bitcoin, Gold or Silver - - - StartCOIN (when held at /StartJOIN) pays diviends EVERY WEEK. Currently ann. rate = 34%
cazalla: i guess maxcoin has run its course
cazalla: maybe he lost his bitcoins, i can't imagine why someone would promote this shit otherwise
xanthyos: he's against gold and silver now too?
xanthyos: max keiser just promotes the agenda of the highest bidder
davout: good morning!
xanthyos: ever think about what max keiser and stacy herbert look like when they're fucking?
xanthyos: you are now.
davout: nice try
jurov: ;;calc 0.019*12
gribble: 0.228
jurov: ;;calc 10000*0.0003
gribble: 3.0
jurov: punkman not exactly evaporating. and upcoming divs should make up for it
punkman: jurov, oic I missed a zero there
punkman: seemed more like 50%
punkman: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00036 / 0.00036 / 0.00036 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)
jurov: $depth s.bbet
empyex: jurov: [S.BBET] Bids: 100 @ 0.00035100 13590 @ 0.00035000 50 @ 0.00020000 5000 @ 0.00014000
empyex: jurov: [S.BBET] Asks: 2000 @ 0.00049000 10000 @ 0.00049950 9000 @ 0.00050850 5000 @ 0.00050899
punkman: oh 4.9btc on the other end, sweet
punkman: I should put more features in the thing
RagnarDanneskjol: what thing
punkman: bitbet calculator thing
punkman: I've only heard from one user so far, and kako using it to ddos himself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00074035 = 6.8112 BTC [-]
jurov: $vwap s.mpoe
empyex: jurov: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00073835 high: 0.00074368 low: 0.00073409 volume: 1725584 btc: 1274.0802329 7 day: average: 0.00073989 high: 0.00074875 low: 0.00073409 volume: 6100751 btc: 4513.85881377 30 day: average: 0.00074652 high: 0.0007685 low: 0.00073409 volume: 22540649 btc: 16827.02219652
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073409 / 0.00073834 / 0.00074368 (1725584 shares, 1,274.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00073409 / 0.00073988 / 0.00074875 (6100751 shares, 4,513.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00073409 / 0.00074651 / 0.0007685 (22540649 shares, 16,827.02 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00074105 = 13.9317 BTC [+]
jurov: good we have two. yet better they don't diverge.
xinxi: is there any body still here?
cazalla: xinxi, it is usually quiet around this time
xinxi: i guess there are seldom any people from GMT+8.
cazalla: a few +10 like myself but not many
RagnarDanneskjol: cazalla - you in melbourne?
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, yup
RagnarDanneskjol: or however you spell it - ok
RagnarDanneskjol: know any good local btc traders - I have a newb might need a hookup...jewelery dealer
xinxi: oh, I like melbourne. the chinese foods there are good.
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, none that i can recommend
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh k. whats the big exchange then?
RagnarDanneskjol: coinjar? i think
xinxi: I also camped there during the winter and when it’s raining and windy.
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, coinjar costs an extra 10% now, there is cointree.com.au although i have not used them, a few people on localbitcoins
xinxi: the exchange commission fee and wire fee in australia is bloody high as far as I know.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - forgot I heard the 10% madness. hmm - will look into localbtc for him then
cazalla: i guess you can use circle, that is what i'm using now, i just transfer the coins out immediately
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh - didnt kknow they were international yet
cazalla: circle is cheaper than coinjar
cazalla: they are iffy on australian credit cards, some people report luck, others not
cazalla: that bitcoin group will do cash buys over $5,000 otc in their office
xinxi: cazalla university of melbourne and ANU, which one is better?
xinxi: my wife is going to study there next year.
cazalla: nfi, i didn't finish school let alone attend uni
cazalla: probably both full of marxists cunts though, they are everywhere down here
xinxi: …
xinxi: why does it sound like racism to me?
cazalla: because asians come here and play the victim all the time, i dunno
RagnarDanneskjol: nothin racist about it - philosophist maybe
assbot: Community Clip - Troy & Jeff talk racism/football - YouTube
cazalla: xinxi, did i offend you?
xinxi: yeah, a little bit, because my wife is going to study there.
xinxi: she is a very nice person.
Azelphur: Didn't go to uni or finish high school here, no need to hate people that do
cazalla: i don't doubt that but as we say down under, you both might need to harden the fuck up if what i said upset you
Azelphur: Education system works for some, and doesn't for others, etc
RagnarDanneskjol: I love the HTFU guy
Azelphur: RagnarDanneskjol: HTFU guy?
cazalla: Azelphur, i didn't even say anything hateful or racist
cazalla: Azelphur, at least not until he accused me of doing so, i'd hate to disappoint
assbot: Ronnie Johns - Chopper - Harden the Fuck Up - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00073892 = 17.3277 BTC [-] {3}
Azelphur: cazalla: you remind me of a schoolkid chanting "Aww you gonna cry" repeatedly, while you just look at him thinking "what...what is wrong with you?"
RagnarDanneskjol: exactly- - thats the point - aussies are tough as shit - I imagine the schoolyard bullies there make any others look like pansies
xinxi: Anyway, I don’t worry about that much. as when I went to AU, I saw most people are pretty nice there.
cazalla: sounds like the right attitude when visiting
xinxi: but it’s no the right attitude when working or studying there?
cazalla: xinxi, did you enjoy your time here? everyone says aussies are nice people yet say we're all racist, it's just a misunderstanding
cazalla: for example, we call our friends (mates) cunts and blokes that want a bit of biff (cunt) a mate these days
xinxi: yes, i did enjoy my time there. most people are quite kind hearted.
RagnarDanneskjol: should have everyone watch a ronnie johns orientation video upon entering the country
xinxi: i see. cunt is usually forbitten in the US.
punkman: !search .bait
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, pretty much, it would avoid people like Azelphur getting the wrong impression
cazalla: cunt is sorta like our version of nigga, you can call friends cunts but you wouldn't go up to some random and say what's up cunt
cazalla: unless he really was a cunt, then you would call him mate and ask if he wanted to punch on
punkman: lol
RagnarDanneskjol: yea - that one still throws me offf everytime I hear it, guess i need to htfu
punkman: ;;rate [ident cazalla] 1 bunny killer | qntra.net chief
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
punkman: !ticker
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.06, Best ask: 402.28, Bid-ask spread: 2.22000, Last trade: 402.28, 24 hour volume: 31128.94064742, 24 hour low: 373.87, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 394.085107692
cazalla: assbot is racist too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00073865 = 47.5691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00074118 = 16.4542 BTC [+] {3}
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;rate cazalla 1 dinky-di cunt
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00073941 = 24.1048 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: was it said anywhere what will be s.qntr revenue source? iirc ads and affilitare links were ruled out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26367 @ 0.00073924 = 19.4915 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23283 @ 0.00073733 = 17.1673 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00073693 = 12.0488 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: "To that, I say, the website’s profitability is in no way, shape, or form your business or your problem. Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’kno
RagnarDanneskjol: w?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not get
RagnarDanneskjol: ting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your prob
RagnarDanneskjol: lem is when you do, y’know?" - pete
mats_cd03: dafuq?
assbot: SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
mats_cd03: !s uninformed
assbot: Uninformed - vol 10
mats_cd03: an excellent RE, security zine
assbot: Just Listen: Ed Prosek – Hold On Tight | poppedmusic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27847 @ 0.00073644 = 20.5076 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fucking freenode.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mist you work with random security outfits that can't handle "thousands of incoming freenoders" and get raped by nsa on a regular basis but you won't talk to the people that eat nsa for lunch. why so derpy already ?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in retrospect the answer is, as it is usually the case, contained in the question.
jurov: RagnarDanneskjol was that an answer to my q?
RagnarDanneskjol: yes -sticky keys
RagnarDanneskjol: from pete's article
mircea_popescu: !up G________
assbot: [ANN] Coinut.com - Bitcoin Options Exchange
xinxi: and got a reply: the fact you got a username that could be seen making you a chinese scammer
xinxi: makes me think hell no will you ever seen 1 Satoshi of my money
xinxi: i'm sorry but noone will risk money with you
mircea_popescu: !s tardstalk
mircea_popescu: you know..
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for BlueMeanie4, Daniel_Krawisz, davidldubuc, DTdirk, indolering, JuliaTourianski, Michael1, mist, normalra, nubbins, perdent, princessnell, ragmondo, RPrpRP, sgarnick, sgornick, tbz1, tweeeaks, usagi, wywialm, and Zerock.
jurov: xinxi have you replied to gabriel_laddel's review?
mircea_popescu: jurov you sent it to sgarnick or sgornick ?
mircea_popescu: ;;notes sgarnick
gribble: Sent 4 days, 15 hours, and 23 minutes ago: <cazalla> send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
xinxi: where is the review?
mircea_popescu: lmao cazalla you noob...
jurov: !s gabriel_laddel pastebin
assbot: 0 results for 'gabriel_laddel pastebin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gabriel_laddel+pastebin
jurov: sux
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2014 08:02:28; gabriel_laddel: xinxi: inital impressions of your service: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xz45zSPZ
mircea_popescu: you gotta read the logs eh.
jurov: xinxi writer not reader!
xinxi: Oh, this review is wonderful.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Unlike Bitcoin, Gold or Silver - - - StartCOIN (when held at /StartJOIN) pays diviends EVERY WEEK. Currently ann. rate = 34% <<< that's one way to sell the entire demurage thing
xinxi: I did not expect people will write such a detailed review.
G________: Hey all, super n00b here - sorry. I am trying to verify with gribble, not sure what to do with the challenge string.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: maybe he lost his bitcoins, i can't imagine why someone would promote this shit otherwise << i don't think you understand max keiser. this is what he does.
mircea_popescu: G________ put it into gpg.
mircea_popescu: !s first steps wiki
G________: Yea I read that, it says it provides a URL - http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
jurov: G________: more specifically, download it and decrypt
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: you are now. << they aren't fucking tho.
mircea_popescu: jurov: good we have two. yet better they don't diverge. <<< b-a is apparently not short of miracles i tell you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00073744 = 38.2731 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: xinxi: she is a very nice person. << well as long as she's not a marxist should be fine ?
xinxi: she does not even know what marxist is.
mircea_popescu: how old is she ?
xinxi: 23
mircea_popescu: how is this possible ?!
xinxi: … girls don’t like politics. you know
mircea_popescu: i don't know. i know least about china than about most things
xinxi: that’s understandable.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, give a look to http://mpex.bz/faq_cn.html tell me how bad is it ?
xinxi: it’s not too bad.
xinxi: at least it’s comprensible.
xinxi: comprehensible
xinxi: I can see it’s not translated using google
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46614 @ 0.00073793 = 34.3979 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: well no, som guy did it.
xinxi: yah, I can see the difference.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't expect it to the fifth classic, but, generally, how does chinese classify as far as the native speaker is concerned ?
xinxi: If you want to show this to a chinese native speaker, it’s better to improve it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00073651 = 20.9169 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'm more curious for my own intellectual pursuit
xinxi: I can feel many parts were just literally translated from english.
mircea_popescu: what's the impression that generally gives ? ridiculous ? annoying ?
xinxi: it feels a bit stiff.
mircea_popescu: boy i gotta say i love gabriel_laddel's style lol. linking to raw text, stars and tubes and shit.
mircea_popescu: "you do this how exactly? the interface runs in the browser but is written in C++? do you know something that I don't?" << cgi-bin baby! it's been there since before php was even invented.
mircea_popescu: exactly for this reason too
xinxi: yeah, it’s a cgi program.
xinxi: mp, do you do IT?
mircea_popescu: xinxi you know that's not without its own problems.
mircea_popescu: i only do it in the sense of managing people who do.
xinxi: ok.
xinxi: yes, cgi does have issues.
xinxi: it’s more difficult to maintain and requires compile.
xinxi: but usually, it’s much much faster than php.
mats_cd03: ;;market buy 1000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 410231.4869 USD and would take the last price up to 415.0900 USD, resulting in an average price of 410.2315 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0431 seconds
mats_cd03: ;;market buy 10000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 4485257.6709 USD and would take the last price up to 526.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 448.5258 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 8.1685 seconds
mats_cd03: ;;market buy 50000
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 23550.527 bitcoins, for a total of 18333428.3555 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 19.2906 seconds
jurov: xinxi security should be much bigger concern here than speed
xinxi: right.
xinxi: so I use a page to explain that.
xinxi: do you have any suggestions on that?
mircea_popescu: xinxi: i see. cunt is usually forbitten in the US. << i hope you've not bitten any.
mircea_popescu: shit hurts.
jurov: in my experience it is more about stuf like meticulously checking your input (such as no negative numbers,. broken unicode, sql metacharacters, etc.)
mircea_popescu: it's c after all. it invented the stack smash
jurov: that must be helluva work in C++
mircea_popescu: "here is my ten line c program that does something, here are the 45479586947 lines which make sure it doesn't do something else"
xinxi: right, there are quite limited number of inputs. I double checked all the input data and make sure that they are right before they are sent to the database.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28325 @ 0.00073804 = 20.905 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cazalla: assbot is racist too << lmao. leave britney alone!
xinxi: mp, as he explained, it’s OK. but I was quite suprised I can meet people like that here before his explanation.
mircea_popescu: this place is different from pretty much anything you could have seen before
rithm: i poop'd
mircea_popescu: jurov: was it said anywhere what will be s.qntr revenue source? iirc ads and affilitare links were ruled out << well, a venue like that can be supported by subscription or advertising. leaning more towards subscription core with an advertising supported outreach, but it's really much too soon.
mircea_popescu: rithm pics or it didn't happen.
rithm: what is a coinut
rithm: oh apparently it's an option exchange
xinxi: haha
rithm: does it cost 30 BTC to sign up?
xinxi: no, you don’t need any to sign up.
thickasthieves: only once it's hacked
rithm inserts tokens
thickasthieves: lol this Chopper guy is pretty funny
mircea_popescu: it can't be hacked, it's in c. says so on the /security page.
xinxi: coinut is some kind of nuts made from bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: ;;google you've got two coinuts and you're banging them together
gribble: March 2014 - Huckleberries Online - Spokesman.com: <http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2014/mar/>; Australian Govt. form asks if I own any Bitcoin of Cryptocurrency ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=798030.0;all>; Up The Ante to Shut Down the Stampede – No More Dead Horses ...: <http://profanexistence.com/2014/07/11/up-the-anti-to-shut-down-the-stampede-no-more- (1 more message)
rithm: i could go for a nice coinut sammich right now
mircea_popescu: why is gribble's google so scammy ? i get http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHFXG3r_0B8 on the 2nd spot in google.
assbot: Monty Python-Coconuts - YouTube
thickasthieves: maybe google has assbot profiled
rithm: twitter bootstrap, godaddy ssl, c++ backend
rithm: what cotuld go wrong amir
xinxi: mp, i did not mention it’s c so it’s not going to be hacked.
kakobrekla: you just did!
xinxi: but our system is distributed, hacking the web program doesn’t make you rich.
mircea_popescu: well now that depends.
xinxi: I did mention it’s c. but i did not claim the causality.
xinxi: yeah, it depends, but it’s harder to hack.
rithm: telling this channel it's not going to be hacked is like asking for a free pentest
thickasthieves: not a bad deal
mircea_popescu: i've heard worse
xinxi: actually many people have tried to hack it. :-)
mircea_popescu: speaking of worse deals : to counteract what they call "inflation" but is moreover a very drastic "batten down the hatches" middle class response, which sent durable goods tumbling 70%!!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00073633 = 34.2393 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: argentine govt came up with a "buy anything on 12 months' time without interest, using your cc" plan
kakobrekla: <xinxi> actually many people have tried to hack it. :-) < any btc service that holds more than 10 btc is getting 'hack' attempts all day every day
BingoBoingo: Can anyone else see qntra this morning or is every one else seeing our page as suspended by the host?
mircea_popescu: their idea being that getting locals to use ccs more instead of cash will be worthwhile on the long term.
mircea_popescu: if this country doesn't go bankrupt and with food riots in 2015 you may call me names.,
rithm: Account Suspended
rithm: This Account Has Been Suspended
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shit what happened there ?
Apocalyptic: same here BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: mine's kjust not loading
punkman: too much traffics!11
xinxi: yeah, as a computer scientist, I pretty much enjoy watching them hacking my system.
mircea_popescu: whoa srsly ?
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, where are you hosting this ?
rithm: /cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi () { }; bash -c 'true <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF' ||
rithm: echo "CVE-2014-7186 vulnerable, redir_stack"
rithm: i'm just joshing you
Apocalyptic: dat haxor
rithm: wasn't it funny
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Cazalla is hosting it, I don't have panel access
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo look in your mail, i made you an account, should be fine.
xinxi: not bad.
mircea_popescu: move it there asap.
thickasthieves: ;;isitup qntra.net
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
thickasthieves: ;;isitdown qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
thickasthieves: i get Account Suspended
rithm: i've got a root shell!
kakobrekla: USG is after you!
kakobrekla: i guess it was NASA.
mircea_popescu: rithm shitty host eh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you have cazalla phone# ?
thickasthieves: bingo, btw, my page load issue never relaly disappeared
Apocalyptic: rithm, you're trolling right ?
rithm: don't hack me bro
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do you have cazalla phone# ? << no
rithm: pick up the mouse and say hello Cazalla
xinxi: rithm, are you really checking my site?
mircea_popescu: well so get it, you're in such diff timezones you can do 100% coverage, gotta be able to talk
rithm: why would i do that am i being paid right now
rithm: you guys need to call your system administrati
xinxi: i am the admin
rithm: maybe change your dropbox password too amirite
xinxi: that sounds a good suggestion.
rithm: BingoBoingo didn't qntra basically scrape other sites
BingoBoingo: rithm: Not at all, all original writing
rithm: oh ok
rithm: i thought you wer scraping away all the pretty from coindesk and plaigarizing it as your own
rithm: boy was a mistaken
rithm: *i
chetty: I wouldnt be surprised qntra got ddosed
rithm: that might've happened
thickasthieves: you get ddos, we suspend account, tyfyb
kakobrekla: they would take the ip offline then
rithm: 8 year old botfarm ops ddos for fun these dyas i hear
kakobrekla: not show 'suspended page'
rithm: i agree with kakobrekla
thickasthieves: i assume this is insecure, but it's so tiny! https://www.hardwarewallet.com/
assbot: HardwareWallet.com - Secure USB smart card based wallet for crypto-currencies
rithm: what TOS did you violate BingoBoingo!?!
BingoBoingo: I imagint thickasthieves is right, got DOS, got suspend
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> they would take the ip offline then // not if it's a shared hosting setup
chetty: next article ...how we got ddosed in our first week ..
thickasthieves: maybe if they were a little nicer to their commenters!
mircea_popescu: how about not.
thickasthieves: who cant love a site that tells self-important commenters to eat a dick?
mircea_popescu: people that need to eat some dicks ?
thickasthieves: goes great with a pound of clits i bet
mircea_popescu: ideally taken off virgin cunts.
mircea_popescu: imagine, thousands of girls that'll never know lesbianism.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo look in your mail, i made you an account, should be fine. << Still awaiting mail delivery
mats_cd03: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.05, Best ask: 398.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 398.03, 24 hour volume: 30190.14237715, 24 hour low: 373.87, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 396.186816381
thickasthieves: time to recharge
thickasthieves: that was a lot of up
thickasthieves: i slept about 45m last night
chetty: why so long?
thickasthieves: my body forced me
thickasthieves: only slept a couple the night before
kakobrekla: btcusd keeps you up?
thickasthieves: yeah, i'm on insane hot streak
mircea_popescu: i thought you were short ?
thickasthieves: i was, til 276
thickasthieves: then went long
thickasthieves: now i'm short again
thickasthieves: playing the waves
mircea_popescu: lol cool.
thickasthieves: you know you IRC too much when you think selecting text anywhere copies it
mod6: heh
mircea_popescu: you can set your system to do that
mircea_popescu: !s Bitcoin_Eric
assbot: IMF: Austerity is much worse for the economy than we thought - The Washington Post
mircea_popescu: chetty heh.
mircea_popescu: "austerity is bad for bezzle, news at 11"
chetty: :P
assbot: Truck containing 36,000 pounds of Crisco stolen in Florida | jacksonville.com
mircea_popescu: ha! tide!
chetty: crisco might be better to trade at that :)
mircea_popescu: fun fact : crisco was invented in order to broaden the supply base for soap production
chetty: next should be clorox
asciilifeform: re: fat.
mats_cd03: wut -- fat bomb?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 margerine (which is what all this crap is) is made by random esterification of various vegetable oils. results in longer chains, which are technically triglicerides
mircea_popescu: but becauise the process is random, a good chunk of them are innovative, which is to say, not found in nature
mircea_popescu: how their digestion works in humans is mostly a matter of chance
mircea_popescu: which i guess brings the side point for all the latter day big pharma purists : you oppose monsanto's genetic novelties ? how about margerine ?
chetty: down with both
mats_cd03: i'm a big fan of monsanto.
mircea_popescu: in other news, eat linoleum!
mircea_popescu: it's a great rug replacement, too!
asciilifeform will probably eat linoleum before this is through
kakobrekla: this?
chetty: asciilifeform, go for the shoe leather first, safer
asciilifeform: boil accordeon first, traditionally, then belt, then shoes.
asciilifeform knows procedures
mircea_popescu: shit, someone should make a restaurant like that.
mircea_popescu: only desperation meals served.
mircea_popescu: "boiled acordeon, for 12"
asciilifeform: call it 'blokada'
mircea_popescu: definitely. блокада
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16758 @ 0.00073804 = 12.3681 BTC [+]
chetty: I do wonder if the ebola panic will disrupt the jit delivery system - that could get ugly
mircea_popescu: only austerity is bad
mats_cd03: a good time to be vegetarian
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i thought vegetarians had more needs on a distribution network than normal people
mats_cd03: why would that be?
mircea_popescu: which accounts for why it only appeared after the industrial revolution made everything cheap and abundant
mats_cd03: meat spoils faster than dried goods.
mats_cd03: tell that to india.
mircea_popescu: india is vegetarian nao ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, every curry i ever had was meat based
mats_cd03: they're still poor, so they're mostly vegetarian, yes
mircea_popescu: i doubt you seriously are proposing starvation diets as your model.
mats_cd03: i dunno.
mircea_popescu: vegetarianism as a chosen lifestyle != vegetarianism as a path towards untimely death.
chetty: you get hungry enough you wont care what the source of the calories is
mats_cd03: i have 40 pounds of quinoa and 40 pounds of lentils
mats_cd03: for zombie apocalypse, etc.
mats_cd03: and a kindle with a hand-cranked microusb charger!
mats_cd03: if i had to, i'm prepared to single handedly rebuild some modicum of civilization.
mircea_popescu: wow those'd be so cute. do they exist ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the russian dynamo-flashlights ?
mircea_popescu: light-and-labour ?
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chetty: uh, something is off here, a prepper that like monsanto ..no add up
ben_vulpes: today i buy metal halides to light the office, because flourescents are the root of all evil.
chetty: today i buy metal halides to light the office, because flourescents are the root of all evil.//nah just a little branch
ben_vulpes: davout: how've you been?
ben_vulpes: and also where
mats_cd03: monsanto makes it possible to feed more people with less. whats not to like?
ben_vulpes: chetty: just a wee touch of the inflation hidden in decreasing quality.
chetty: mats_cd03, that it mostly kills those people ...
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 exactly that.
mircea_popescu: feeding more people with less is exactly evil.
mircea_popescu: either feed more people with better or feed fewer people with better. but less... no.
mats_cd03: a difference of opinion.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the opinion you're holding here ?
mircea_popescu: "it's okay for things to go to shit, as long as there's more of us" ?
mats_cd03: it's ok for things to go to shit, as long as some of us can be more productive with the land that's left.
mats_cd03: arable land, anyway
mircea_popescu: seems a recipe for disaster.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i can in good conscience call that an opinion.
mats_cd03: confounding variables.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean... "joe thinks 3x4 = 12, moe thins 3x4=13" this isn't a difference of opinions, inasmuch moe's thing isn't an opinion.
mats_cd03: are you disputing that GMO crops increase yields?
mircea_popescu: yes, actually.
thickasthieves: fukcing taxes
mircea_popescu: suppose i have a car factory, and you came by and proposed to sell me a patented mechanism which when added to the factory, "increased yielkds' by 50%.
mircea_popescu: so i pay, you install it, and lo and behold, i am producing 50% more units
mats_cd03: so, a flounder gene spliced into tomatoes that permit growth in regions that wouldn't support tomatoes naturally
mircea_popescu: except they're bicycles.
mats_cd03: this is not increasing yields of tomatoes?
mircea_popescu: i'd fucking sue you.
nubbins`: it's not like people are buying monsanto seed and saying "hey, wait, this isn't what i paid for"
nubbins`: they
mircea_popescu: the entire "monsanto increases yields" fallacy is based on the fraudulent proposition that shit-tomatoes are = tomatoes.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't hold.
nubbins`: 're buying it and saying "fuck me and everyone i know who has this job"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yes, but a gullible public is scarcely an excuse.
thickasthieves: it's only a crime if you get caught!
nubbins`: it's only a crime if you can't afford to commit it
nubbins`: wifi-enabled printers, not the best idea
nubbins`: ever try sending your printer a 25mb document via wifi?
mircea_popescu: wifi enabled printers are great, you can send people pronz
nubbins`: great until you've got a court date in an hour and you can't get your evidence printed in a timely fashion ;/
nubbins` hunts for cable
mircea_popescu: printing your evidence an hour before court date ?
ben_vulpes: fuck wifi enabled printers.
mircea_popescu: you methhead you
ben_vulpes: they never come with modern chips, so i have to detatch from my primary network to use the printer in our office.
nubbins`: this methhead is gonna win
ben_vulpes: people are very aware of how stupid this is, because i email them things that i want printed to remind them that they bought a poorly featured printer.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.54, Best ask: 403.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.91000, Last trade: 403.49, 24 hour volume: 30406.49355436, 24 hour low: 373.87, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 396.288183921
assbot: Full Disclosure: CVE-2014-3671: DNS Reverse Lookup as a vector for the Bashvulnerability (CVE-2014-6271 et.al.)
ben_vulpes: and still unpatched.
ben_vulpes: i hate this thing.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not so sure about that only.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol you updated?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: fair enough… "At this point of time the stock resolvers (in combination with the libc
pete_dushenski: library) of OSX 10.9 (all versions) and 10.10/R2 are the only known standard installations that pass the bash exploit string back and up to getnameinfo()."
pete_dushenski: "only known"
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: a great deal of the shop's work is ios. can't not and do what we're paid for.
pete_dushenski: absence of evidence != evidence of absence
ben_vulpes: work computer vs personal
mats_cd03: what are you, donald rumsfeld?
pete_dushenski: mats_cd03: maybe?
mircea_popescu: * PTR "() { :;}; echo CVE-2014-6271, CVE-201407169, RDNS"
mircea_popescu: epic tho
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: makes sense.
mats_cd03: its nice to meet you, sir.
mircea_popescu: !up ziggamon
pete_dushenski: "11-10-2014 Apple confirms that with DL1769 in place that "The issue that remains, while it raises interesting questions, is not a security issue in and of itself."
mircea_popescu: what braindamage school do these people go to ?
thickasthieves: it's not a school in and of itself
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: would ya happen to have any suggestions for this legal research? i'm drowning, atm -- i've got 5 relevant cases across 3 judges, and expended ~20 hours so far
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i'd love to, but i can't do it in the abstract.
mircea_popescu: so tell me what you're doing and what the problem is ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 and i got a meeting now, so we'll resume in a few hours.
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: i am currently using the following search: JUDGE(BLAKE) & ("THE GOVERNMENT") & ("PAPERWORK" "PRIVACY" "SEARCH WARRANT" "ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE" "EMAIL" "SUPPRESS EVIDENCE" "HARD DRIVE" "TRANSMISSION" "WRITTEN") & DA(aft 12-31-1989 & bef 01-01-2003)
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: the problem is: too much noise and insufficient signal
pete_dushenski: ^OpenVPN 2.2.29 - ShellShock Exploit
nubbins`: what research is this
mats_cd03: courts circus
nubbins`: oh, that's a throwback
nubbins`: i poked at that, way too much effort
nubbins`: see comments.
mats_cd03: i did
mats_cd03: currently treating your list of judges as canonical
nubbins`: feel free to cut me in on your bounty
asciilifeform: dynamo flashlights << these are very popular here in usa also. sold nearly everywhere (cheap chinese crap, but, basic idea is same)
nubbins`: i had a dynamo flashlight once, and it was fucking useless
nubbins`: maybe they're better these days
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if bought in north america in recent decades - inevitable plastic gears, worthless turd
nubbins`: i think it was actually a branded freebie, so definitely
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.11445789 = 2.1747 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.15825875 BTC to 16`125 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.97993760 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 520 satoshi per share
ben_vulpes: log works for me
Apocalyptic: yeah it's back
assbot: Analysis of the Linux backdoor used in Freenode IRC network compromise | Hacker News
ben_vulpes: <thickasthieves> i beat MIT http://www.coindesk.com/mit-bitcoin-trading-simulation-yields-profit-89-50-days/ << what the hell are idiots like this doing at MIT
assbot: MIT Bitcoin Trading Simulation Yields Profit of 89% in 50 Days
ben_vulpes: oh wait it's bezzle MIT
ben_vulpes: real MIT died with the lisp machines i guess
xinxi: is gabriel_laddel here?
thickasthieves: it's also hard to value what they did because you can simply tweak your trading method, backtest, and adjust til you get favorable backtest for the timeframe
thickasthieves: then you employ for next 2 mos and get raped
thickasthieves: employ it
xinxi: right, I traded for years in the FX market. Backtesting usually does not work well. The market is always changing.
thickasthieves: also they used a very small investment
xinxi: ;;ident thickasthieves
gribble: Nick 'thickasthieves', with hostmask 'thickasthieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk
thickasthieves: try using their method with hundreds or thousands of btc and itll fall apart
xinxi: ;;ident xinxi
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None
xinxi: yeah, the impact the bot will be very severe then.
xinxi: are people working now? there are only a few here.
xinxi: can anybody check whether the reply from digitalgrow racism? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=821889.0
assbot: [ANN] Coinut.com - Bitcoin Options Exchange
xinxi: I am from a country without racism, so I am not very sensititve to that.
danielpbarron: .. what?
xinxi: facism. suprised?
RagnarDanneskjol: xinxi - you need to HTFU
xinxi: yeah, I know. I just need to know the fact.
TomServo: xinxi: Seems more idiotic than racist.
thickasthieves: xinxi cmon now
thickasthieves: no one gives a shit if youre chinese
thickasthieves: no one that matters
thickasthieves: dont worry about racism
danielpbarron: there's no racism in china?
thickasthieves: they are alienating themselves not you
danielpbarron: don't they like.. hate the japs?
thickasthieves: use the ignore feature liberally on that forum
thickasthieves: just dont ignore people only cuz they disagree
xinxi: you know the reason why we hate jps.
thickasthieves: cuz ur racist?
xinxi: we don’t hate all japs.
thickasthieves: maybe you dont hate japs at all
mats_cd03: meh. japs are in their own circle of hell atm
mats_cd03: who cares?
xinxi: i hate the japs who killed so many people.
xinxi: but i like normal japanese people when i went to japan.
xinxi: especially because they inherited and preserved traditional chinese culture quite well.
RagnarDanneskjol: !up punkbot
ben_vulpes: deeds demo?
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
punkbot: just setting up the account
punkbot: dry run worked, will try with actual BTC later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00073822 = 24.6565 BTC [+] {2}
xinxi: Coindesk is asking me to publish a review.
xinxi: do you guys trust coindesk?
thickasthieves: but they still are fastest with some news
thickasthieves: you just gotta filter out the scum sometimes
thickasthieves: they want you to review your own site?
thickasthieves: how much do they charge you for that?
xinxi: 1 BTC
xinxi: cheap?
assbot: /PeterMLambert Are you in /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets? If so, what's your username?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded.
thickasthieves: dude, they should be paying you if it's news
thickasthieves: at worst it should be free coverage
thickasthieves: but you reviewing your own site, paying them 1btc, makes them not a news site, but a shill
xinxi: yeah, it seems this defeat the purporse of a “review”.
thickasthieves: consider your own reputation in that transaction as well
thickasthieves: tell them they can review it and you will facilitate with a test account and interview
thickasthieves: or whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00073931 = 31.051 BTC [+]
thickasthieves: if you pay, then they wont really review it, theyll just praise it
xinxi: i see
thickasthieves: but wtf do i know
xinxi: anyway, you do provide useful suggestions.
xinxi: thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00073931 = 7.9845 BTC [+]
assbot: Analysis of the Linux backdoor used in freenode IRC network compromise | NCC Group
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2014 23:34:47; mircea_popescu: pronouncement #b : and then he spake thus : ye knoweth the evil people of the world know no rest, for the very fire of hell scorches their gullets on the inside so they may never sit quietly in a room. and therefore it will come to pass that they will put pressure on freenode, starting for instance last thursday.
asciilifeform: the 64 mega-buck question - whence came the pwnhole. the rootkit, while well-made, is considerably less interesting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22942 @ 0.00073805 = 16.9323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00073634 = 1.804 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: nsa doesnt let you tell when they tell you what to do
assbot: Exclusive: More QE might be appropriate if U.S. economy faltered- Fed's Williams| Reuters
thickasthieves: we're gonna need more fuel for dis fire!
thickasthieves: right away sir!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20056 @ 0.00073593 = 14.7598 BTC [-]
xinxi: hey, I need a market maker for my site.
xinxi: who can do that?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 407.59, Best ask: 408.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 408.24, 24 hour volume: 29325.78568430, 24 hour low: 378.97, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 398.164634543
gabriel_laddel: 16:18:34xinxi:is gabriel_laddel here? << people generally read the logs, and there is a feature for gribble known as ";; later"
xinxi: I read your comments carefully and have revised the site according to them.
xinxi: Thanks gabriel_laddel.
thickasthieves: ;;later tell xinxi This is how to use later tell :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thickasthieves: ;;messages
gribble: Error: "messages" is not a valid command.
TomServo: ;;notes
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for BlueMeanie4, Daniel_Krawisz, davidldubuc, DTdirk, indolering, JuliaTourianski, Michael1, mist, normalra, nubbins, perdent, princessnell, ragmondo, RPrpRP, sgarnick, sgornick, tbz1, tweeeaks, usagi, wywialm, xinxi, and Zerock.
gribble: Error: "mail" is not a valid command.
xinxi: ;;notes
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for BlueMeanie4, Daniel_Krawisz, davidldubuc, DTdirk, indolering, JuliaTourianski, Michael1, mist, normalra, nubbins, perdent, princessnell, ragmondo, RPrpRP, sgarnick, sgornick, tbz1, tweeeaks, usagi, wywialm, xinxi, and Zerock.
xinxi: ;;notes xinxi
gribble: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
thickasthieves: note that notes arent private ;)
thickasthieves: ;;notes usagi
gribble: Sent 2 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, and 37 minutes ago: <TheNewDeal> hey what's your history like with kakobrekla?
xinxi: ;;notes xinxi
gribble: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
xinxi: where is the note?
thickasthieves: gribble pm's you when you next appear with your note
thickasthieves: do you have a pm from gribble?
xinxi: oh, i see it.
xinxi: it’s convenient.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24989 @ 0.00073539 = 18.3767 BTC [-] {2}
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: loper-os.org mpex review
gribble: Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108>; Loper OS » Bitcoin Adventures.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1139>; Loper OS » Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939>
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 412.0, Best ask: 413.68, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 411.0, 24 hour volume: 29479.34772437, 24 hour low: 378.97, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 398.364299354
kakobrekla: arent you sleeping
thickasthieves: lol not yet
kakobrekla: the longest streak i had with pc was 72hrs
thickasthieves: i'm developing pains though, need better chair
thickasthieves: for some reason i was sitting on my hand for like 20min and now my wrist is hurt
xinxi: thickasthieves, which timezone are you in?
kakobrekla: as long as its not carpal tunnel
thickasthieves: such a disciplined hodler
thickasthieves: it's 2pm
xinxi: I see. it’s 2 am here. I need to go to sleep. talk to you tomorrow.
gabriel_laddel: 17:40:23xinxi:I read your comments carefully and have revised the site according to them. << tbh, I got bored within the first 1-2 minutes of browsing around. you probably want to pay someone who knows about copy, marketing etc. to fix it.
kakobrekla: thickasthieves do you find everything funny yet?
thickasthieves: nope, but i'm probly gonna consult some wacky tobaccy and a pillow soon
kakobrekla: me and my friend found that after about 24hrs things start to get funny.
kakobrekla: friends*
thickasthieves: happened to me once too, but i was on some drug no one told me the name of
thickasthieves: X1B or someshit
thickasthieves: hippy festivals...
xinxi: yeah, a good designer is going to make it better.
kakobrekla: from the experiments above, only caffeine was allowed
kakobrekla: Thank you for submitting a ticket with us today.
kakobrekla: We apologize for the inconvenience. It appears that there is a stuck process on this hypervisor at this time.
kakobrekla: I'm going to escalate this ticket to get this cleared up for you.
kakobrekla: mtgox style
assbot: HTTP 500 : Internal Server Error
kakobrekla: lawlsky
thickasthieves: i have a feeling he's gonna hold the line and keep the excessive regs
thickasthieves: goat is gonna be at the lawsky thing
thickasthieves: or at least someone who purports to be goat on tview chat
thickasthieves: seems to behave like him
TomServo: hah, I didn't realize he was still around
thickasthieves: he aint around here though
thickasthieves: !up bgupta
thickasthieves: bgupta, you going to the lawsky thing tonight?
thickasthieves: you should go and cover it for qntra http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-sqntr/
assbot: Introducing S.QNTR pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: thickasthieves if 'goat' says he is going to sue lawlsky, its the real thing.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
gabriel_laddel: ;; gettrust devthedev
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014
devthedev: Hi gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: well hello
devthedev: BingoBoingo: I have a dedicated server at my house if that could be of any assistance.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: New hosting has been arranged, waiting for cazalla to wake up and aim the domain
devthedev: Okay
BingoBoingo: Site was Dos'd yesterday morning, prolly Dos'd harder this morning
devthedev: That isn't much of a surprise
kakobrekla: <devthedev> BingoBoingo: I have a dedicated server at my house if that could be of any assistance. < you have a death wish?
BingoBoingo: devthedev: kakobrekla had to deal with BitBet DOs's
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 409.11, Best ask: 411.35, Bid-ask spread: 2.24000, Last trade: 411.72, 24 hour volume: 30648.07962933, 24 hour low: 378.97, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 400.402158319
kakobrekla: and haxors with liabilities
mircea_popescu: you mean disabilities ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol send it to punkman's thing once it's up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 the proper avenue would be to put all this into a large file and then grep the hell out of it ?
mircea_popescu: rithm> https://news.ycombinator <<< yeah, they copied it from logs.
mircea_popescu: which logs you should probably read.
bounce: <jurov> in my experience it is more about stuf like meticulously checking your input (such as no negative numbers,. broken unicode, sql metacharacters, etc.) << perversely I do enjoy writing input parsers in C or C++. it's not even that hard, with the right approach, though some encodings make it unnecessarily annoying.
mircea_popescu: <xinxi> I am from a country without racism, so I am not very sensititve to that. << a) are you kidding ?! b) why'd you care ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56315 @ 0.00073436 = 41.3555 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gave qntra its own ip too.
mircea_popescu: xinxi: do you guys trust coindesk? << the reason qntra.net exists is because we emphatically do not trust coindesk
mircea_popescu: and if you know any chinese people who would be interested in covering btc in china, from mining to anything else, there's prbably a job opening there
mircea_popescu: hickasthieves: they want you to review your own site? <<< who was saying earlier the coindesk spam is "not from coindesk" ? Hm ?
jurov: bounce and did your parsers ever underwent pentest?
assbot: South Korea identity thefts forces ID overhaul - Business - NZ Herald News
mircea_popescu: xinxi: cheap? << it's a scam. you're better off paying 1btc for facebook ads.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2014#873009 << funny how that works, eh asciilifeform ?
bounce: no specific pentests, no, but I usually do try and hit all the corner cases and esp. if it has to go back and forth, write both sides of the link so I'm sure they can talk to each other.
mircea_popescu: funny how mp has the news a week early and errrything.
jurov: bounce: I did HTTP stuff in C (dev/maintainer of ziproxy.sf.net) and it was just plainly impossible to do everything right, it had bugs all the time
mircea_popescu: the very few people i knew who actually got c code consistently right eventually gave up and moved to asm
bounce was on the receiving end of a project where there wasn't a reference output generator for their extraspecial hand-crafted "xmlrpc" parsing, written in stereotypical India.
jurov: HTTP in asm *faints*
mircea_popescu: jurov you know this is what they should have people do in prison. forget those dumbass straw braiding things
bounce: haven't really looked into http but I'm not surprised it's on par with html, ie not really parseable. esp. the w3c specs stand out because they're only written for the html writer, with nary a thought to the parser writer.
jurov: yes, i'm quite a reiser fan
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: nsa doesnt let you tell when they tell you what to do << nah it wasn't a mole, it was an exploit. either the bash thing or something else not yet announced.
jurov: he should get allowed to continue from prison
bounce: shouldn't've killed the girl, there's much more deserving people in free software land.
mircea_popescu: o is this the namesys guy that killed his wife ?
jurov: Oh and i do agree, C/C++ *is* fun. Till you have to maintain it.
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: i dun get why these guys don't just move to saudi arabia.
mircea_popescu: it's just as much connected to the internet as rural pennsylvania or w/e
mircea_popescu: and if wife doesn't want to come you know right there she's angling to get murdered.
mircea_popescu: just like the tsa works!
jurov: you ever murdered any?
mircea_popescu: i never had any.
jurov: oh that
mircea_popescu: not that i see why anyone would. just ditch her.
mircea_popescu: and don't be dumb enough to live in any sort of common property arrangement, if that's what's bothering you.
bounce: gah. found a piece of software that promised to let me configure some obscure hardware I happen to have. doesn't compile on freebsd because linuxisms all over. yet it does have supposedly-freebsd-enabling #ifdefs here and there. something with release engineering, lack thereof.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i'm developing pains though, need better chair << you sound just like a kid that's overexicted about "being a trader" and about to do very dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: how about a coupla days off.
mircea_popescu: btc ain't going anywhere in the interval.
mike_c: +1 tat. take your winnings and sleep.
mircea_popescu: dude the people who run wordpress...
bounce: at least they're in good company
mircea_popescu: so i sent this notification thing to all the god damned blogs that were used in the ddos last month. like 80k in and im not even done in any sense.
mircea_popescu: the emails i get tho... because these are WORDPRESS users right, so they can't leave fucking comments, they email
mircea_popescu: half of them clearly have no fucking idea wqhat a computer even is. at all.
rithm: it's the box the porn comes out of, duh.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be surprised to find that something like a computer in three was actually raped
mircea_popescu: in the literal sense, insert penis dent unit
rithm: hahaha\\
mircea_popescu: apparently they've been discussing it in their dedicated forum (50+ ppl mentioned it, NOT ONE thought to link the fucking discussions, because they're on the internet ,right ? what is a linlk ?)
mircea_popescu: and they came to all SORTS of fucktarded conclusions
mircea_popescu: the internet should never have been opened to the public.
mircea_popescu: you want to wank it to teenage pov poon, get a fucking degree.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: X1B or someshit << wtf is that ?!
mircea_popescu: !up cypherc
TomServo: random stab - maybe 2CB?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 150 @ 0.01089999 = 1.635 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: what, like monsanto mdma ?
TomServo: Mayhaps? Could be anything at a hippie festival.
mircea_popescu: well except panda tears
assbot: Christian Dietrich / avremu | GitLab
rithm: it's some tried and true drug that was used recreationally for a half-century...except they added an isomer
mircea_popescu: "Here, when attempting to pick someone up or take someone out, “no” is not actually always a true rejection. Girls, perhaps as a shield against the chamuyo fired from all directions, are conditioned to almost invariably turn down guys at first and second, and maybe third approach. And for the other half of this symbiotic relationship, guys are conditioned to pursue with total abandon, which on (unacceptable) occasi
mircea_popescu: on turns into grabbing a stranger’s face in a club and trying to plant one on them, totally uninvited. In speaking with foreign-born male friends, the ambiguity of “no” comes up as the most oft-repeated frustration, as most have spent their lives understanding, rightly so, that “no” means to retreat."
mircea_popescu: rightly so ?!
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17717 @ 0.000736 = 13.0397 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: Till you have to maintain it << the whole concept of 'software maintenance' is actually braindamaged. obligatory: http://www.niquette.com/paul/issue/softwr02.htm
assbot: Software Does Not Fail
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 412.17, Best ask: 412.88, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 413.15, 24 hour volume: 30604.77095579, 24 hour low: 381.29, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 400.630767114
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 94 @ 0.1062766 = 9.99 BTC [-] {6}
mats_cd03: it rises
kakobrekla: !s anonabox
assbot: anonabox : a Tor hardware router by August Germar — Kickstarter
kakobrekla: 300k out of 7k hehe
mike_c: ;;seen diana_coman
gribble: diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
mike_c: that thing seems cool
thickasthieves: honeybox
thickasthieves: probly a better name
mats_cd03: anonabox is a terrible idea
kakobrekla: sez 'open hardware'. does it come with electron microscope ?
asciilifeform: 'anonabox' << aside from the obvious objections - this apparatus is not only trivial to build (out of any reprogrammable 'linux router') but was even sold in the past, by others.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30308 @ 0.00073803 = 22.3682 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: and 7k usd! one could build a small planet for that!
mike_c: it's $50
kakobrekla: its 300k
thickasthieves: it's log!
mike_c: so don't use it to take over the world. still seems useful as cloaking device.
assbot: Log Commercial - YouTube
asciilifeform: 300k << one could build a world.
mike_c: ah ascii, just wait til you have a 300k backlog of orders for cardano
thickasthieves: what's a cardano?
kakobrekla: not gonna happen without the wifi
mike_c: cardano is last year's xmas gift
thickasthieves: what's a xmas gift?
kakobrekla: go to sleep
mike_c: tat you better go to sleep before you lose all your btc to the kiddies
thickasthieves: i'm sitting in coin
thickasthieves: s'all good
mike_c: hard to go to sleep after successful all-night gambling binge :)
asciilifeform: if i had 300k, would have long ago been in the middle of product #2...
mike_c: pre-orders!
kakobrekla: and wifi
bounce: so kickstart it
thickasthieves: you have like 9000btc orwhatever
mike_c: oh yeah.
mike_c: ;;calc 440 * [ticker -last]
gribble: Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
asciilifeform: but i refuse to take pre-orders for equipment not yet produced and tested, and i think mp agrees with my reasoning.
mike_c: ;;calc 440 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 181860.8
bounce: huh. talk about useful error messages.
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2014 05:23:31; asciilifeform: i may have said it before, but i will repeat: s.nsa has a piggy (see mircea_popescu's site); every month, i invoice him for materials, get some btc. but, since i can't safely convert btc to usd where i live, i just sit on them. they will probably be buried with me. hence: s.nsa, presently, in practice runs on guess what (my pocket money...)
mike_c: you shouldn't sell it anyway. tea leaves are all pointing up.
bounce: oh the wisdom thrown away the world over, drinking tea but not reading the leaves.
kakobrekla: i prefer coffee. much less biased.
asciilifeform: mike_c: i doubt the shareholders would be happy with 50+% of the piggy burning in the fire of the confiscatory u.s. tax.
kakobrekla: we can wait. as long as we get the wifi.
kakobrekla: pls dont ignore me yet!
kakobrekla: too late now isnt it.
asciilifeform: for our 'friends' reading this, i do not have the piggy in my own hands, nor remote access to it, cannot give it up in the torture room...
kakobrekla: yeah, but you would say that in either case
bounce gets the $5 wrench. one way to find out...
thickasthieves: yeah too risky to be cashing em anyway
thickasthieves: tea leaves say small chance of bubble
mike_c: bubble? we haven't even caught up to last bubble yet.
thickasthieves: bubbles come in all sizes
asciilifeform: too risky to be cashing em << yes. but the thing i am doing instead is also very ugly, and i'm genuinely surprised that there's been no hatemail over it.
bounce: who's partial to bubble tea?
mike_c: hatemail is a poor motivator
thickasthieves: get vendors to accept btc
kakobrekla: take my 5bux order in btc or else ill take my biz elsewhere ?
thickasthieves: seems like a problem that needs to be stalled, s.nsa being throttled that hard
mike_c: say it with me. "retail adoption doesn't mean shit"
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: get vendors to accept btc << that would not solve the problem of a 200+K usd machine sitting in my civilian home for easy confiscation by
thickasthieves: what, s.nsa cant have a legal operation in US?
asciilifeform: ... by enemy
asciilifeform: we don't actually have rule of law in usa.
thickasthieves: so hire henchmen in places where btc can be rendered
thickasthieves: and have them do some work
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: who is going to pay my relocation? you?
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: henchmen are of precisely no use at this stage
thickasthieves: cmon you think shareholders would complain if the guy running the show needed to relocate on its dime?
thickasthieves: of course i'm speaking out of turn at this point
bounce: you got more stuff to relocate than fits in a container and a suitcase?
thickasthieves: but as i see it the co has the budget and is severely crippled
thickasthieves: do or do not
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: doesn't matter if the shareholders all wished this (in what hallucinogenic fantasy land?) - 300btc is simply nowhere near sufficient for this, considering esp. that most of it is direly necessary for the first mass production run.
thickasthieves: wasnt the raise like 10kbtc?
asciilifeform: bounce: suitcase << i have a ~30,000 volume library; a small machine shop; a woman; and a great many pieces of laboratory equipment.
kakobrekla: so, two suitcases.
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: read the s.nsa page on mircea_popescu's site.
TomServo: Holy library batman!
bounce: that's what, two suitcases and one large container, thereabouts?
mike_c: raise was ~460
thickasthieves: i'm so confused now
assbot: S.NSA, October 2013 Statement (1) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: 472.76008500
kakobrekla: thickasthieves prolly confusing with the S.MG
thickasthieves: well then i need to stfu
TomServo: mike_c: give him some sleepytime tea
mike_c: srsly. at least he stopped trading.
asciilifeform: aha yes. i remembered almost the correct figure.
thickasthieves: where the hell is my bitcoin video game then!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and 7k usd! one could build a small planet for that! << you have any idea what cisco and friends sell stuff like balancing routers etc ?
mike_c: thickasthieves: it exists if you run linux. i heard a rumor diana_coman compiled it on windows, but have not verified.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cisco << i personally oversaw robot legs (steel pipes) purchased for several hundy usd each, while a thrall of usg - much less cisco
mircea_popescu: * jaggered (~vmatonis@c-50-178-42-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: ppls gotta up teh noobs.
asciilifeform: we talked about this. i can build planet for xxx usd, cisco - no.
kakobrekla: i dont see them coming and im not going start to
kakobrekla: but i can make assbot do stuff
kakobrekla: like up unseen ppl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17699 @ 0.00073398 = 12.9907 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, this is not something to be solved by technology
mircea_popescu: this is something to sparta!
kakobrekla: well bring a slave to up them then.
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> but as i see it the co has the budget and is severely crippled << eh, one of the major advantages of being listed on mpex is that people can make their own decisions. noine of that "gotta move to sf" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: im sure he has some sort of plan to extract himself, and well, he's the only one in the position to make that plan
mircea_popescu: fuck do i know the details.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.55, Best ask: 411.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.14000, Last trade: 412.43, 24 hour volume: 30935.36426451, 24 hour low: 382.0, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 401.996809897
thickasthieves: yeah i just thought snsa was rolling in coins
asciilifeform: deep inside the gravity well, probably not getting out alive; but will carry out project no. 1 and hopefully no. 2 as well before obola calls my name.
thickasthieves: made mistake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46343 @ 0.0007339 = 34.0111 BTC [-]
assbot: Senate candidate dies in Iowa plane crash, hospital says
gabriel_laddel: ;; google scott locklin fusion press release
gribble: Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science: <http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/anatomy-of-a-fusion-press-release/>; Newer Posts - Locklin on science - WordPress.com: <https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/page/2/>; Design | Locklin on science: <https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/category/design/>
cazalla: BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Cazalla is hosting it, I don't have panel access <<< suspended for excessive use of resources, can't even access cpanel or ftp to make a backup, submitted a ticket
kakobrekla: where was it hosted?
cazalla: ventraip.com
assbot: Maggie De Block accused of being too big to be 'credible' as minister for public health | Daily Mail Online
kakobrekla: super fast server until you use them
mike_c: was the excessive usage from an attack?
BingoBoingo: Probably, or host being shitty
mike_c: i mean, a couple thousand hits a day shouldn't trigger any limits..
mike_c: plus, they get -2 points for serving a 200 with some fucking blank page instead of a 50x.
mike_c: screwing up my news widget.
cazalla: i imagine its because of the guy that was dosing the other day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0007339 = 13.7606 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: mike_c should prolly cache it locally
kakobrekla: i mean, on your boxen
cazalla: "Your account has been suspended due to many number of processes active at /home/bitcoinp/public_html/qntra.net/index.php. This processes were causing high server load."
mike_c: it's cached for 10 mins. not much use showing a list of dead links.
asciilifeform: im sure he has some sort of plan to extract himself... << i've lost count of the people who asked me about this. it's terrifyingly elementary problem - living is expensive. it's cheaper in, e.g., uganda, than usa, but the equipment i use does not get cheaper when far from the industrial world. on the contrary. and extraction of my own sorry hide, and that of my pet, in a way that still leaves me able to think and
kakobrekla: you got cut off
asciilifeform: ... to think and work (no day job in the ugandan salt mines, for example) is not a cheap proposition. if i knew of a magical pill against this, i'd have swallowed it already.
bounce: there's more to this fancy industrial world than just the USA. oop norf you can even learn to speak french and stuff.
asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla (i'm working from a terminal, in a faraway place, for reasons of having to eat. not entirely irrelevant to this discussion...)
asciilifeform: bounce: i have no problem whatsoever with languages.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17871 @ 0.00073479 = 13.1314 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0007339 = 4.5135 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: fact is - and i confessed this before on several occasions - i can't afford to move my equipment overseas, certainly can't afford to repurchase it, and moving so much as 300km in any geographic direction would leave me immediately without an income. insta-zap.
mircea_popescu: !up pollos
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> suspended for excessive use of resources, can't even access cpanel or ftp to make a backup, submitted a ticket << that's classy o.o
bounce: so is the broken inglish in the ticket response
cazalla: i had hoped it was the ISIS post
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i mean, a couple thousand hits a day shouldn't trigger any limits.. << you don't know much about the shitbox biz model do you.
cazalla: so penguirker is gonna go nuts once it is back up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i'd have swallowed it already. << well, being able to sell the cardano would probably fork for that purpose.
mircea_popescu: esp if 2nd product under development etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's my one ticket. which is why i've spent 90% of my free time and 100% of my disposable income on it, for... a while.
mircea_popescu: note that i am not offering criticism, merely halping the pot air.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 320511.97 in 195 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.94
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to have a backup at any point ?
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Back up of which thing?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i propose we go with xmas. if it works it'll be lulzy and if it doesn't idem.
asciilifeform: xmas << that's where i'm mentally shooting for, yes.
BingoBoingo: Yes. Now that the domain's been pointed It's a matter of messing with configs until site comes alive
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 407.06, Best ask: 407.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 406.79, 24 hour volume: 30175.72981510, 24 hour low: 387.63, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 402.113218182
jurov: id'be really sleepless in tat's place. lats i remember he shorted
jurov: *he was short
mircea_popescu: generally before going to bed you put it in neutral.
jurov: that's up to discussion what's neutral position here
mike_c: he said he's sitting on coin now. i took that to mean long.
mircea_popescu: shit why do these bottles keep emptying.
mircea_popescu: just once i wish i got one that fills instead.
assbot: Unofficial IS Site Shut Down, Seeks Bitcoin Donations
mircea_popescu: o hey. wb qntra
cazalla: not yet
cazalla: old host just unsuspended
mircea_popescu: A twitter account, @QA_AF, is now seeking bitcoin to assist in paying server costs although the donation address2 is yet to receive any bitcoin donations. << you know, those are usually scams.
assbot: 404 Not Found
cazalla: prolly but everyone was claiming its official ISIS where as the twitter feed itself said hey, we're not official
mircea_popescu: the derp brigades on social media are something else i swear.
cazalla: plus given the host admitted to shutting it down, prob is legit, no donations yet anyway
mircea_popescu: wait. how is the twitter acct related to the shut down domain ?
cazalla: it's not but that twitter account was complaining about it at the same time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16405 @ 0.00073558 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: well... you see what i mean.
cazalla: i'm not gonna try and contact the guy, aus gov already kicked down a bunch of doors for less
mircea_popescu: not really of much interest anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51655 @ 0.00073389 = 37.9091 BTC [-] {2}
thickasthieves: jurov, closed last short with profit, spent that on coins and am sitting out for a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQtzV9IZ0Q
assbot: That'll do pig, that'll do (ending to Babe) - YouTube
jurov: asciilifeform: i've seen mircea's ways to exchange x.eur directly into crisp cash, maybe you should ask him for guidance to do likewise
jurov: not six figures, though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15010 @ 0.00073696 = 11.0618 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: jurov: having large cash holdings is a health hazard where i live. and it isn't like i can buy machinery from, e.g., taiwan, with it, either.
jurov: i did not mean it as cocncrete advice, just that there are things i did not deem possible before
asciilifeform: jurov: there are groups of deviants in nyc, etc. who are said to trade btc to and from usd in cash. but this is not very useful to me in particular.
asciilifeform: jurov: i'm not part of the 'cash economy' in any way, shape, or form. but even if i had the skills and social connections to house and feed myself using paper benjamins, it is quite impossible to obtain industrial equipment and parts from overseas in that way.
PeterL: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 runs mpex, has not run off yet
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jurov: one needs to get creative. these overseas people don't know about btc?
PeterL: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 crackpot, pushy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ninjashogun has been recorded.
Adlai: what has ninjashogun been up to that gets him so popular in here?
asciilifeform: jurov: i have made inquiries. they know about it. but no one, readily, yet works for coin. or, more importantly, can be trusted to carry out a contract with the white man without the strings attached to using fiat/usd.
bounce: you in nyc? talk to bcb.
PeterL: ;;rate cazalla 1 qntra - good source of bitcoin news
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
asciilifeform: bounce: nope. wash. dc area.
PeterL: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 qntra - good source of bitcoin news
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bingoboingo has been recorded.
bounce: right next to virginia. hm.
asciilifeform: bounce: this discussion is academic, however, because we can't afford the NRE that would be involved in having prototypes made in a 'proper' plant.
jurov: did you consider - what if large proportion of cardano sales end up being bitcoins?
jurov: or you fess up to paypal crap?
bounce wonders what it'd cost to buy up and reactivate one of those laid up fabs.
jurov: just genuinely interested
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2014 05:27:15; asciilifeform: the pick'n'place cum pastelayer is the only cut to a 'gordian knot' - namely, can't have the boards populated at a genuine factory (prohibitive cost for small batches) - but can't populate by hand with acceptable yield (very fine-pitch components)
asciilifeform: jurov: no paypal. no fiat sales. btc only.
jurov: then, if you can't use btc now, how it will change?
kakobrekla: afaik he mentioned once he plans to take em to his grave.
thickasthieves: good to have a plan
asciilifeform: jurov: great question. if critical mass of btc, i can escape to a friendly country and build small plant using modern tech.
jurov: maybe you'll need reseller in less derpy jurisdiction ;)
Adlai: asciilifeform: btw have you seen scalpl?
bounce: I was really talking chip fabs, not pcb plants. IIRC IBM wanted to offload fishkill, and nobody wanted it because tech too old. also, random search result: http://www.10stripe.com/featured/map/semiconductor-fabs.php
assbot: Map of Semiconductor Fabs - 10stripe
asciilifeform: jurov: recall my gravity well analogy. one gram of rocket fuel gets you nowhere nearer to escaping, e.g., earth or moon. a hundred tonnes - does. the gram brings you nearer to blowing out from the well only in the sense that it's one gram less that you must collect.
assbot: Cher with Beavis & Butthead - I Got You Babe (1993) - YouTube
asciilifeform: bounce: we'd be talking seven figures in tax and enviro-bureaucracy fees alone.
asciilifeform: bounce: if not eight.
bounce: if the fab is laid up there's lots of tax break leverage. but you'd have to be a big corp to really make that happen. you know, apple and their sea^Wocean of bezzle. they can't use it in the usa though, have to buy up something somewhere else.
bounce: wonder if buying chunks of laid up corporate tax evasion bezzle at a discount would be sellable to them corps.
jurov: what? you mean ascii to confuse some agency into believeing that NSA ordered the cardano manufacture?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: i'm not part of the 'cash economy' in any way, shape, or form. but even if i had the skills and social connections to house and feed myself using paper benjamins, it is quite impossible to obtain industrial equipment and parts from overseas in that way. <<< yeah, which is why meth isn't a problem either.
mircea_popescu: jurov> or you fess up to paypal crap? << cardano won't sell for fiat./
bounce: s/discount/& for bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: actually, nothing i've made since 2011ish sells for fiat.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> bounce: we'd be talking seven figures in tax and enviro-bureaucracy fees alone. << you don't understand how leveraged crap generally is.
mircea_popescu: if industry worked like you represent it here apple would have no choice but to list 20 trillion in assets worldwide.
thickasthieves: http://cardozolaw.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=01b5be00-c8df-4688-a1dc-5302b6ca3c7e in Lawsky in 10m, the video feed has a chat function if qntra wants to ask Q's
assbot: HTTP 500 : Internal Server Error
bounce: blah silverlight
cazalla: ok so site xferred, hopefully dns refresh fast
bounce: looks to work here
cazalla: nah old host
mircea_popescu: ;;whois qntra.net
gribble: Error: You don't have the network.whois capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
mircea_popescu: ;;google whois qntra.ne
gribble: Jon Matonis To Headline Bitcoin4iGaming Conference This November: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/jon-matonis-to-headline-bitcoin4igaming-conference-this-november/>; Internet Watch Foundation Claims Bitcoin Increasingly ... - Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/internet-watch-foundation-claims-bitcoin-increasingly-used-to-purchase-cp/>; Andreas Antonopolous Testifies Before Canadian (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google whois qntra.net
gribble: Jon Matonis To Headline Bitcoin4iGaming Conference This November: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/jon-matonis-to-headline-bitcoin4igaming-conference-this-november/>; Internet Watch Foundation Claims Bitcoin Increasingly ... - Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/internet-watch-foundation-claims-bitcoin-increasingly-used-to-purchase-cp/>; Andreas Antonopolous Testifies Before Canadian (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00073754 = 20.6142 BTC [+]
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems it's propagated everywhere but melbourne
mircea_popescu: sucks to live in the sticks eh cazalla ?
bounce: 206.190.153.228 and 198.244.10.26. which is the old, which the new?
mircea_popescu: 206.x is the new.
cazalla: well, that's australia for you
cazalla: just making backups before i nuke the old one and we'll see
assbot: Moolah is having to close its doors. | Moolah
Adlai: at least "If you fail to withdraw your funds before the platform is shut down on October 31st, you will receive an email asking you where you want your funds to go."
assbot: The Right to Rape - Sci-Fi & Fantasy - Literotica.com
mircea_popescu: the universe is balanced again.
mircea_popescu: "After 10 months as a high-risk startup in a volatile environment, Moolah has reached a stage where it is unable to continue operations in today’s market. With rising costs and dropping revenue, and the loss of a number of key clients vital to the ongoing operation of the company, we are no longer able to continue functioning."
mircea_popescu: heh. splendid.
dub: another victim of success
thickasthieves: the bell tolls
Adlai: tbh it's amazing that a business primarily focused on "payment" processing for the dogeconomy was able to survive this long
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
thickasthieves: omg lawsky is just doing comedy bits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00073601 = 13.8738 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: !s poodle
thickasthieves: this stream is shit
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback
Apocalyptic: the SSL lulz keeps on
cazalla: do you guys see qntra or place holder now on qntra.net?
Apocalyptic: I see "dns refresh"
cazalla: cpu is at 100% on new host too mircea_popescu
cazalla: lots of wordpress pings too
kakobrekla: i get Resource Limit Is Reached
jurov: i see just 500 infernal error
jurov: where it is hosted now?
kakobrekla: some derp host ?
cazalla: with mp
cazalla: CPU Usage 100 / 100 %, Virtual Memory Usage 380 / 380 MB
mircea_popescu: You have reached entry processes (number of simultaneously running php and cgi scripts, as well as cron jobs and shell sessions) limit 217796 times
mircea_popescu: lol you're being dderpos'd.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the site's online, it's being mitigated, whatevs.
jurov: um... add some apache/nginx rule to weed out these pingback as soon as possible?
mircea_popescu: jurov i'd rather acquire the guy's list.
kakobrekla: jurov you really need to do it at a lower lever
kakobrekla: level
jurov: yes, but still better than letting cgi/php run for them
jurov: and can be still logged if you want
mircea_popescu: lol the log's 50mb
cazalla: damn trolls and haters
danielpbarron: Disabling SSL 3.0 support, or CBC-mode ciphers with SSL 3.0, is sufficient to mitigate this issue, but presents significant compatibility problems, even today. Therefore our recommended response is to support TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV. http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/10/this-poodle-bites-exploiting-ssl-30.html
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback
Apocalyptic: danielpbarron, linked to it above
danielpbarron: wah.. i searched for it in the logs and everything :<
kakobrekla: search is delayed a bit.
assbot: BTC2B - The First Bitcoin To Business Congress - Brussels
bounce: you could try and condense the actual attack into a single paragraph. the paper and announcement are less than helpful.
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mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno, but thanks. adding it all to the ping list.
mircea_popescu: which doesn't look like will ever be exhausted.
BingoBoingo: Oh is it the Reddit police?
bounce: need a pingback sink then?
BingoBoingo: Or Mullenwang to stop insisting DOS cannon be a part of default wordpress installs
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
assbot: CPUvMEM(MB)pMEM(MB)EPnPROCIO(KB/s) FromToamlamlamlamlam - Pastebin.com
jurov: i see only dns refresh now
kakobrekla: i see Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?
jborkl: Sup guys
BingoBoingo: Not too much
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so click the linx
kakobrekla: dunno home page brokd
mircea_popescu: anyway, problem solved, cazalla BingoBoingo carry on.
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of impressed we burned through a shitbox so quickly
mircea_popescu: the net is full of crap, and instead of people urinating the mouths of crapmongers a la matt mullenweg and co,
mircea_popescu: they are invited to conferences and people listen to them as if they were people
mircea_popescu: the net result is that unless you're rich and powerful, you're fucked.
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the most immoral state of affairs one could imagine
mircea_popescu: and it all stems from the boneheaded tolerance to idiocy and incompetence that has become part of western culture.
mircea_popescu: the next best thing you can do for sugar, spice and everything nice, after owning some bitcoin, is beating your kids when they fuck up.
mircea_popescu: so keep that in mind as you age.
thestringpuller: i thought that was common knowledge
mircea_popescu: if it were common knowledge there wouldn't be 100k+ broken wordpress installs all over the net.
thestringpuller: What is that saying, "Have you ever thought of turning off the TV, sitting down with your children and hitting them?"
thestringpuller: Oops the actual quote: "Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?"
bounce: eh, your cute widdle powerpuff girls will beat you up instead
cazalla: yeah, i don't mind that others beat their kids, not so sure i'd beat my own
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be some enforced responsibility somehow, somewhere
mircea_popescu: otherwise everyone sinks in this mire of "creativity" and bullshit.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nanotube could the defaults on viewratingdetail.php be sorted by time rather than by rate'rs total point count ? it kinda pointlessly emphasises a meaningless measure, as-is. <<< iirc this used to be the way it worked, and only recntly changed to sort by rater total rating.
assbot: After DOS /qntra is back on stronger hosting http://t.co/PHhj2UHsaJ http://t.co/yCT4FzNaKh
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i recall the same thing, was kinda surprised.
mircea_popescu: for the lulz : logs are... 135.53 MB now.
thestringpuller: less than an episode of seinfeld
mircea_popescu: that's what, 1mn lines in an hour ? herp.
cazalla: ok dns refreshed but i see old posts, not new ones, do you guys see the IS article or write for qntra on front page?
assbot: Unofficial IS Site Shut Down, Seeks Bitcoin Donations
cazalla: do you see that on front page?
Adlai sees write for
jurov: it worked once, now i'm back at "dns refresh"
mircea_popescu: linked there on the right
cazalla: hmm something is messed up then
Adlai: but yes, recent posts includes real recent posts
nubbins`: ;;notes nubbins
gribble: Sent 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <DoctorBTC> Got the print. Nice!
nubbins`: how can i clear this?
nubbins`: ;;notes nubbins
gribble: Sent 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <DoctorBTC> Got the print. Nice!
jurov: do /nick nubbins
nubbins`: oh, duh
nubbins: any messages, gribs?
nubbins`: ;;notes nubbins
gribble: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
nubbins`: RIGHT ON
jurov: what's the business with the mini schlong, anyway?
nubbins`: nice one
nubbins`: `jurov` it's scammer-proof
`jurov` feels quoted properly
nubbins`: employees `must` wash hands after using toilet
`jurov` invented antiscam quotes. beat that!
`jurov`: they will be implemented in php soon
punkman: kakobrekla, deedbot needs a home, you got a corner it can sit in?
kakobrekla: what does it need
punkman: a terrarium for its snakes
punkman: (virtualenv)
punkman: it also runs an electrum daemon
punkman: and need some sort of webserver of interface
punkman: *for interface
kakobrekla: who is going to maintain this?
punkman: I will
kakobrekla: i can raise you an instance at do
kakobrekla: debian?
punkman: the thing I want to avoid is securing the server outside the app
punkman: I could write an Ansible playbook if given detailed steps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00073657 = 20.624 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hold on
kakobrekla: a bit of emergency here
danielpbarron: !up Lycerion
Lycerion: assbot huh
Lycerion: clever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00073738 = 18.5451 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: ass for assets, obv
nubbins`: !t h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00003999 / 3.999E-5 / 0.00003999 (14 shares, 0.00055986 BTC), 7D: 0.00003727 / 3.763E-5 / 0.00004097 (5931 shares, 0.22317780 BTC), 30D: 0.00003010 / 4.719E-5 / 0.00009799 (23563 shares, 1.11205519 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 403.33, Best ask: 403.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 403.33, 24 hour volume: 24830.68690172, 24 hour low: 390.48, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 404.124433348
nubbins`: 417! imagine
nubbins`: 1btc=1xau by xmas
nubbins`: oh and they withdrew the charges for the 3 parking tickets
nubbins`: i didn't even get to present my case :/
punkman: mircea_popescu: btw what happens to dividends if I don't take delivery of bbet shares?
assbot: Nude Beach Blow Job Jet Ski Fight Leads to Wifes Death
nubbins`: it's like they just rolled a bunch of word dice.
punkman: can't resist title
kakobrekla: sorta back
kakobrekla: well what is at stake here, a few bit cents?
BingoBoingo: T m s.bbet
BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00036 / 0.00036 / 0.00036 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)
punkman: pretty much
kakobrekla: so it does not require much if any attention really
kakobrekla: dobian then?
kakobrekla: debian*
punkman: should do it
kakobrekla: ;;ident punkman
gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
nubbins`: no trades yet
BingoBoingo: No shares yet
nubbins`: no yet
nubbins`: IPO documents: bringing faces to irc nicks since 2011
BingoBoingo: Oh, you didn't see my slave name was lready on Trilema?
nubbins`: guess i missed it!
nubbins`: wait, you left a death threat on someone's voicemail?!
nubbins`: my sides
BingoBoingo: Allegedly
BingoBoingo: Also allegedly the other party is not a conservative, but the avatar of socialism incarnate.
cazalla: figured some people would begin digging, good luck, i'm behind 7 proxies
kakobrekla: punkman see pm
kakobrekla: punkman make a new user for the thing clearly
BingoBoingo: !up go1111111
BingoBoingo: !up Tiraspol
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 38(Y):62(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.65541987 BTC. Current weight: 52,100.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 325354 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1237 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 13 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35959402986.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.73387
assbot: /moolah_io Contact me.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: It's nice to see Qntra back up.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, now the new hosting is strong on plow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 950 @ 0.0011 = 1.045 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: More tampered P.E.I. potatoes found in N.S. and Newfoundland - - CBC News
BingoBoingo: !up jacoblyles
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
assbot: /hashtag/tittytuesday?src=hash What do you guys think of me as a blonde? ;) /hashtag/NSFW?src=hash /hashtag/boobies?src=hash http://t.co/tnGAlGl1Ja
cazalla: niice
devthedev: Hmm, what to write about
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks?
devthedev: I'm not aware of who that is
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: I love you too assbot.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: He's the benevolent dick of WordPress
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10077 @ 0.00073858 = 7.4427 BTC [+]
cazalla: devthedev, i was going to write up the moolah story but you can do that one if you like, i have another one to work on
devthedev: Okay, I actually worked with Moolah personally in the past.
devthedev: Interesting character
BingoBoingo: Maybe two Moolah stories then?
devthedev: Possibly
devthedev: dns refresh, brb
cazalla: you might have to forward your article to BingoBoingo devthedev, i'm unable to access the dashboard yet
devthedev: Okay
devthedev: DNS hasn't propagated over there yet?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, cazalla is testing how we handle submitters
BingoBoingo: !up applesaucer
BingoBoingo: Hello applesaucer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.11898181 = 1.3088 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
assbot: WordPress Defaults Preserve Avenue For Denial of Service Attacks - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJo3es
BingoBoingo: !up bettycla1p
mircea_popescu: <punkman> mircea_popescu: btw what happens to dividends if I don't take delivery of bbet shares? << you don';t get em
devthedev: Well it looks like Moolah investors are at a loss.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks? <<< btw, you want data to write a qntra ddos piece or not really ?
devthedev: Yes please!
mircea_popescu: devthedev "investors"
assbot: WordPress Defaults Preserve Avenue For Denial of Service Attacks - Slashdot
devthedev: I always have this in the back of my mind, Lol <kakobrekla> you have a death wish?
BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com now DOS'd
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you ever tried phone sex btw ?
BingoBoingo: At least Dreamhost admits fault when their shitbox plan sucks dick
mircea_popescu: you get a condom, put the phone inside, then shove it in either the girl's vagina or asshole
mircea_popescu: then fuck the other hole while calling the inserted phone
mircea_popescu: bonus points if she manages to pick up and you can hear yourself sloshing
mircea_popescu: !up Tykling
devthedev: You would think that they would at least keep the Moolah site online as the community's gathering info for our negative articles.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Well, what is their interest in that
Apocalyptic: damn, it was up a few minutes ago
devthedev: Maybe someone discovered the server IP and DoS'ed it?
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Server IP should be obvious, cloudflare bullshit is for mammilian potatoes
Apocalyptic: devthedev, some mad "investor" ? poor consolation
devthedev: Maybe Apocalyptic.
devthedev: BingoBoingo: Yeah, there's a ton of cloudflare resolvers that are pretty accurate. (Tried finding my server IP behind it)
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo perhaps ddoser is reading the lawgs
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Maybe, but atm they are just making my dick harder
BingoBoingo: I don't surrender to motherfuckers who could arrest me, why would I surrender to people who merely DOS me?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wouldn't be too worried about it, pop back up by tomorrow or w/e
mircea_popescu: lmao 1/4 gb qntra logfile
mircea_popescu: this is going to be a riot tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: I dunno how much hate I have left to give, and I'm full of hate at the moment.
Apocalyptic: mircea, the DDOS is still ongoing ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic apparently.
mircea_popescu: well it's not doing anything, but i guess so, yeah.
BingoBoingo: I kind of thought having the slave name on the listing would make people less inclined to feed me hate.
BingoBoingo: Or does google lack updated pictures of my beard
assbot: Anyone else see the humor in /moolah_io advertising zero fee trading to entice people into depositing before they shut down?
BingoBoingo: !up csshih
assbot: Living Room of Satoshi Packs It In
mircea_popescu: myeah, it's visible alright.
assbot: Qntra.net - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Maybe gribble auth?
devthedev: I'm on the laptop
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo should be interesting to see what quantcast makes of this lmao
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: Then again the way quantcast discounted all of Yesterday
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
kakobrekla: !up mpmcsweeney
kakobrekla: ill take mine back
kakobrekla: !down mpmcsweeney
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
kakobrekla: still got two!
BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: You aren't getting Dos too are you?
mpmcsweeney: denial of service?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol such bs
devthedev: Does anyone know if there's a way to determine how long a site's been offline?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Everyone is Dos'ing people by weaponizing mommy blogs
BingoBoingo: !up xinxi
xinxi: why do you up me?
mike_c: devthedev: if popular it will be on here: http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/
assbot: Is It Down Right Now? Website Down or Not?
BingoBoingo: xinxi: Because you are interesting
xinxi: oh, thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25047 @ 0.00073565 = 18.4258 BTC [-]
cazalla: when can that static page be removed from qntra?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: qntra nao has normal home page
cazalla: yeah i can see that, not login yet, gonna jump on windows and see what it is like there
cazalla: ya can't use commas? swear i have done that before, probably ran into same problem
mircea_popescu: lol noob
mircea_popescu: ppls are "wtf is he talking about. can't be." then later "oh."
mircea_popescu: well anyway, consider these past few hours your baptism of fire ?
mircea_popescu: not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all.
mircea_popescu: in fact, that may well exceed the total logfile of all bitcoin newsites to date.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all. << Actually this is the ass end of week 2
mircea_popescu: THAT CHANGES ERRYTHING
BingoBoingo: For Srs, also first, best time thedrinkingrecord was Dos
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The domain qntra.net qntra has reached its bandwidth limit (22195.78/20000.00 Megs).
mircea_popescu: uh no ?!
BingoBoingo: Dunno if real, but email says so
BingoBoingo: I assume email lies though
Apocalyptic: same here
Apocalyptic: "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded"
mircea_popescu: may be only now scripts are catching up with all the funs.
mircea_popescu: im having it looked into.
BingoBoingo: So... when do we hand wp_matt
mircea_popescu: yep you're over bw. sec.
cazalla: oh great, login becomes available, site goes down again
mircea_popescu: dawgs, 20gb in six hours ? heh.
BingoBoingo: This is my 12th consecutive hour just straight up mainlining hate.
BingoBoingo: A /.ing isn't this bad
nubbins`: what in the world are you into
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Obola it seems
BingoBoingo: Ebumma must dislike us
nubbins`: ebummer, dude
BingoBoingo: !up DowntimeBsns
BingoBoingo: What's up DowntimeBsns
DowntimeBsns: shared host lol
BingoBoingo: Well, used to be
BingoBoingo: Now just niggers.txt
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Are you the reddit police?
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Why do u hate me?
BingoBoingo: I live in tent. I homeless leik u.
Apocalyptic: mircea, can't you just nullroute the offending IPs or is the range too broad ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo should be back in business.
BingoBoingo: Just trying to earn super legit living DowntimeBsns
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic eh let teh kids have funs.
DowntimeBsns: why don't you guys start a hosting business
cazalla: DowntimeBsns, you know we punch on for less than this down under
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra seems up
DowntimeBsns: instead of derping over shit service providers
mircea_popescu: DowntimeBsns you must be new here.
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: WHy Y bully me and not Dogescam? Or Obola Scam?
DowntimeBsns: i'm goat
DowntimeBsns: fuck you
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Why U instead pick on people trying to adapt to economy nuevo
mircea_popescu: it must suck to suck.
mircea_popescu: but oh no, matt derpyweed knows better and has made "technical tradebacks" or w/e they're called.
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up PinkPosixPXE
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up PinkPosixPXE
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: You can talk nao
BingoBoingo: !up AndChat|679296
PinkPosixPXE: So to get level 2, I have to accomplish a few trades that go well and get in the ranking system, correct?
mircea_popescu: basically.
PinkPosixPXE: k, just making sure I wasn't confused
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Not necessarlily trades, but situations definitely
PinkPosixPXE: ah, so I Don't have to trade
PinkPosixPXE: I read the documentation, but I think I'm missing something
mircea_popescu: o hey, here we go again, round... 3 is it ?
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE as long as someone o nthe lordship list trusts you you're in.
kakobrekla: PinkPosixPXE got any skills?
PinkPosixPXE: I gotcha
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: What do you do?
PinkPosixPXE: I just didn't want to jump into trading right away, but if that was the requirement for level 2/+v, wanted to check
PinkPosixPXE: I am a Sr. Linux Systems Admin
PinkPosixPXE: For a Publishing company
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Requirement for L2 is impress somebody. How can you impress?
PinkPosixPXE: I work with nix variations, server maintenance
PinkPosixPXE: Do you need a bash script written
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: What's your favorite *nix?
BingoBoingo: I dun use bash
BingoBoingo: Ok band, mediocre shell
PinkPosixPXE: I really prefer rhel/centos, but ubuntu is ok too, we use a variety of flavors in our environment, but those are the main ones.
kakobrekla: ubuntu :(
BingoBoingo: RH is on the naughty list for pushing SystemDeviant out
kakobrekla: skinned windows.
PinkPosixPXE: and OEL
BingoBoingo: And keeping Poettering from starving
PinkPosixPXE: for our oracle database clusters
PinkPosixPXE: I don't choose the OS's, I just build them, configure, and maintain them when they break while management snaps the whip
kakobrekla: no worries
PinkPosixPXE: You know how it goes, but I have to work with a lot of different things, so it broadens my skillset
PinkPosixPXE: anywho
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Any recommendations for scalable server on Motorola 68K?
PinkPosixPXE: before I ramble
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: You try writing prose at all?
kakobrekla: Whats the ramble about?
BingoBoingo: rabble
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: A Motorola 6800, hrm fairly old, you want to scale out and replace it, or change the setup how, precisely?
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: I have written prose, unfortunately to a fault at times... I'm not very succinct
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: I want a 6830, but with a GHz class clock. Or... daydreams
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Try a post for qntra
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: resource limit reached again
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 321004.15 in 185 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.91
BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com still abides nao that cacheing is reenavled
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: Do you enjoy playing with older hardware and different arch types? IT can be fun, just frustrating as well at times.
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: It is the only way to play. C is supposed to be portable. If your kernel can't take SPARC or 68K I dunno if it is correct enough to live
Adlai: wtf -82.91%
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Tis ATC
Adlai: that's a fantastically ungoogleable tla
Apocalyptic: hopefully in a week we'll be at the new diff
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
PinkPosixPXE: I'll check out posting on qntra
PinkPosixPXE: or if anyone needs help with a linux issue, I can try to assist there
assbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Know any way to seed an entropy pool in NEtBSD on MacSE/30?
nanotube: mircea_popescu: it used to sort by rating value... i figured sorting by rating total is a more informative first display... though ideally it would sort by 'total trust from nanotube' or something like that, but that would require writing some code to run those calculations in batch mode and caching them, cuz running every rater live would be expensive...
mircea_popescu: nanotube how a bout just sort on freshness ?
mircea_popescu: save everyone a click.
asciilifeform: interestingly, my favourite hosting co. is virtually ddos-proof and costs almost nothing.
asciilifeform: down side - only eats usd, and doesn't give actual machine (not even vm.) so no persistent processes.
asciilifeform: (re: ddos tale)
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
asciilifeform: !up PinkPosixPXE
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: I'd need more details, but essentially you can use rng-tools/rng to increase the entropy on a server. How it would be implemented for your exact use, would require more discussion.
asciilifeform: i think he's asking for hardware.
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Yeah, talking about specific hardware I cooked before trying to gen GPG keys using the NetBSD PGP implementation
BingoBoingo: because apparently real Macs don't generate entropy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from whence did you imagine it would come?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cloud chamber...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, commodore-64 (and 128) had hardware noise. (in the 6581 sound chip.)
PinkPosixPXE: did it time out on generating a gpg key due to lack of entropy?
assbot: Parallel Port SID6581 Interface
BingoBoingo: There were motherboard component that looked like they could fill the role
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Not time out... cooked self
PinkPosixPXE: overheated?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Could have been helpful
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Overheated to the extent that magic smoke
asciilifeform: magic smoke out of what ?
PinkPosixPXE: just trying to generate entropy
asciilifeform: if not sure from what, probably had electrolytic cap burst
asciilifeform: routine on vintage gear.
asciilifeform: find which, replace.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Out of class mac case SE/30 lives in
asciilifeform: pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit.
PinkPosixPXE: I mean, there's plenty of hardware abounds, it depends what you want, want to use it for, and your budget/access to hardware
PinkPosixPXE: then there's tools that help increase entropy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit. << Maor concerned with shaming WP matt
asciilifeform unable to parse this sentence
PinkPosixPXE: ok, I'm not the only one struggling in that department ;P ... No offense intended of course
asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: tools that help increase entropy << what've we come to. as if the heat death of universe weren't arriving quickly enough...
PinkPosixPXE: hehe, well now the theory has changed to the "cold death" of the universe, as it's expanding at an ever increasing rate, and galaxies/etc. are moving further away
PinkPosixPXE: from each other
PinkPosixPXE: but I digress..
assbot: Helping The Random Number Generator To Gain Enough Entropy With rng-tools (Debian Lenny) | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials
BingoBoingo: At the moment universe is headed to a hate death, because Wordpress's Matt Mullenwang dunno priorities
asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: this tool does precisely nothing without a hardware rng.
mircea_popescu: mkay, so with the 3rd attack the list of goat's botnet ips went from 1k to 3k items
PinkPosixPXE: ignore the debian portion, rng-tools is something most OS's should have available
PinkPosixPXE: So we have to increase entropy somehow. This can be done with rng-tools, a package to use a hardware true number generator (TRNG). Don't worry, you don't need any extra hardware, we will use /dev/urandom as our true number generator.
mircea_popescu: looking forward to full discovery.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, qntra is back in working order.
PinkPosixPXE: Fixed my issue earlier today, entropy isn't solely hardware dependant,
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i cannot log in, again, 403
asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: in the sense of 'it works better if you plug it in' ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: cazalla meh, apparently he's got moar.
cazalla: in fact, entire site is 403 for me now except static page
PinkPosixPXE: it uses /dev/urandom, it's not hardware driven, it just pulls entropy through rng-tools software, rather than 'mouse input' or 'disk activity' etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11129 @ 0.00073514 = 8.1814 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: not hardware driven << a schoolboy can write his own 'mersenne twister', get the same inferior result, for no effort really.
mircea_popescu: why is mt inferior ?!
BingoBoingo: Twistor is harder though
PinkPosixPXE: There's that new usb device called 'entropy' which is a usb coin wallet, that you can just plug in https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/mycelium-successfully-funds-usb-bitcoin-wallet-device-entropy-with-indiegogo/
assbot: Mycelium Successfully Funds USB Bitcoin Wallet Device, Entropy, With Indiegogo - CryptoCoinsNews
asciilifeform: inferior to hardware
asciilifeform: !s mycelium
devthedev: Ugh, CCN
PinkPosixPXE: When the Mycelium Entropy is inserted into the USB drive, hardware-based entropy is harnessed to create a large, truly random, number. The random number is generated using a static RAM chip, which Holcomb, D.E.; Burleson, W.P.; and Fu. K. have proven is capable of generating “128-bit true random numbers.” This number is then used as the seed to generate a private key and corresponding Bitcoin
PinkPosixPXE: address
cazalla: anyone else getting "You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server." on qntra.net?
asciilifeform: ('inferior' is perhaps poor choice of word here. for cryptographic purposes. for, say, homework, where the run must be replicable - one must use prng.)
devthedev: No cazalla
asciilifeform: !s sram rng
asciilifeform: nothing new under the sky.
PinkPosixPXE: asciilifeform: For serious security, perhaps yes, but everything runs on hardware, it's just the software layer that interacts with how entropy is derived from teh hardware wether it's something you plug in or something you run on a server
PinkPosixPXE: but depends on your end goal/objective
asciilifeform: that'd be 'it works better if you plug it in.'
asciilifeform: that is, if you process the output of noise apparatus as prescribed, you get the expected result; if you forget to, and call 'return(3)' as in the comic - not.
assbot: xkcd: Random Number
asciilifeform: what shall we teach next? arithmetic?
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo anyway, we're on to actual ddos, no more of that wordpress mickey mouse bs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why are you convinced that it was a 'wordpress'-based ddos ?
mircea_popescu: somebody's butthurt.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wordpress was their last weapon.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh, they really care nao?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first ~2mn lines all carry the tell tale GET / HTTP/1.0" 508 7287 "-" "WordPress/4.0; http://autobg.eu; verifying pingback from 94.102.51.30 headers.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, shitty botnet really, under 5k ips.
BingoBoingo: Does rifle make sense as company expense at 500k IP botnet?
asciilifeform: lol pingback crud
mircea_popescu: people with 500k dont derpthis bad
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because at 500k zombies, rifle is expected
BingoBoingo: !Up PinkPosixPXE
assbot: dpaste: 0295SB7
kakobrekla: Jay Z?
kakobrekla: the keys are right next to each other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3091 @ 0.00073858 = 2.283 BTC [+]
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