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WolfGoethe: I welcome any reading resources you have. I've gone thru mullins works, griffths works, "history of money by jack weatherford" was also awesome. and several books on europe in the 30;s
WolfGoethe: I'm no expert but I am trying to think deeply
mircea_popescu: what do you do for a living ?
WolfGoethe: the best chance we have now to close the circle is to focus on retail adoption me thinks
WolfGoethe: I'm a coder mircea and entrepreneur, nothin special
mircea_popescu: but who are you to think.
mircea_popescu: ok, what did you code, what did you entreprene
WolfGoethe: I was bron human, this it is my duty to think.. very unamerican I know lol
WolfGoethe: I code web mostly. many platforms. had a few startups. did the napster of Ringtones in 2000. and a few social networking sites. and now working on some bitcoin stuff.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying, "i have a computer, it is my duty to generate random strings and publish them"
WolfGoethe: not ready to have a chat about the nature of consciousness right now
WolfGoethe: maybe once I have some green tea
WolfGoethe: I do want to think tacticall with you tho
WolfGoethe: not many who can think on your lvl in the scene, from what I recall
mircea_popescu: well that's nice.
asciilifeform wishes to ask handlers of ninjasp4mz0r that the 'iq' dial should be turned clockwise (up) rather than counter-clockwise (down) when agent failure.
asciilifeform is not impressed with current shot
decimation: he is persistent
WolfGoethe: what do u guys think of videos like this? http://vimeo.com/107847867
assbot: Vendys Bitcoin 1st draft on Vimeo
WolfGoethe: we all need to take action to make Bitcoin mainstream
WolfGoethe: the lack of morale is my main concern
WolfGoethe: I see this like a grass roots social justice movement
mircea_popescu: dude wouldja stop with the nonsense. it's ridoinculous.
WolfGoethe: ? nonsense?
mircea_popescu: yes nonsense.
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin and the poor
gribble: Cash transfers in Africa: Bitcoin for the poor | The Economist: <http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/06/cash-transfers-africa>; How Bitcoin Could Help the World's Poor | Acton PowerBlog: <http://blog.acton.org/archives/67759-bitcoin-help-worlds-poorest-people.html>; Lessons From Mobile Payments: Bitcoin Will Not Help the Poor or ...: (1 more message)
assbot: Bitcoin and the poor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> and who the fuck decided that a perfectly good 'eth0' should turn into 'enp0s29u1u1' ? << o yikes
assbot: Let Africa Sink
asciilifeform: (re: africa)
WolfGoethe: you think planning and focusing our efforts to create bitcoin saturated nodes within the west is nonsense?
thickasthieves: "In the latest move, Blockchain, a Bitcoin wallet provider and software developer, is expected to announce on Tuesday that it has closed a roughly $30.5 million fund-raising round, led by Lightspeed Venture Partners and Wicklow Capital. The investment, raised from Blockchain’s first round of outside financing, is one of the biggest in the digital currency industry to date."
WolfGoethe: bitcoin can indeed help the underbanked... but what about us "over" banked... as in those being crushed by the banks and their fees and hassele
mats_cd03: read more and type less
WolfGoethe: ok...
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> the only conceivable cure is liberal beatings. << oh ho ho ho
mircea_popescu: i guess more derps getting listed.
mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe in so many words, yes. and stop using the plural, best anyone can determine you're a solitary guy with his hopes, aspirations, confused mainstream mental impactions and internet connection.
mircea_popescu: these five elements do not require a plural pronoun
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as pictured in the film '300'. << it's an insane depiction. the original guy was actually pericle's master.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> if you compare how you treat your pets and how the average liberal intends to treat "those people" you get a scary identity. << oh come i only feed the pets when they behave
WolfGoethe: I'm in NYC and go to all the bitcoin dev meetups. coded an api open source project and trying to give back. came here looking to chat and I am being judged so harshly? i know this is irc... but still.
WolfGoethe: later
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wrong ephialtes
mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe "TALKING ABOUT BITCOIN, EVEN IF IN A GROUP, DOES NOT MAKE YOU PART OF BITCOIN."
assbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mats_cd03: run away from the mean people
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one in question is ephialtes of trachis
thickasthieves: talking about people that talk about bitcoin doesnt make you part of bitcoin either
mircea_popescu: generally the unqualified name refers the other
mircea_popescu: "i know this is irc... but still" ?!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is going on in these people's brains i wish to know.
ben_vulpes: <WolfGoethe> once bitcoin "closes the circle" then it shall be a true competitor to the usd << what do you mean by "closing the circle"?
ben_vulpes reads subsequent link
ben_vulpes: oh man unintentional lulz
ben_vulpes: i miss all the good stuff
assbot: High Voltage AC/DC Effect on Human Body - YouTube
mircea_popescu: well at least you point it out for the rest of us. i didn 't click
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the problem with gavin's idiocy isn't merely that "substantial increasing barrier to entry for operators of full nodes", horrid as that may be.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it starts with
ben_vulpes: "The dream is to see Bitcoin mainstream.
mircea_popescu: the problem with gavin's idiocy is that roughly speaking, the square of the block size and the total network hash are on opposite sides of an equality, which describes total network security.
mircea_popescu: so basically, he's proposing significant downstepping of current blockchain security.
mircea_popescu: neither of these are getting merged into bitcoin, whatever gavin says or whatever forks happen.
mircea_popescu: if indeed they're stupid enough to fork it, i will sink their fork on the open market.
mircea_popescu: and if that's the path they wish to use to introduce faux bitcoin-lite for the us domestic market, that's fine, but it won't go over any better than an attempt from scratch.
mircea_popescu: "we" know what bitcoin is and why we're using it.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.6666 BTC for No on "Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.58476514 BTC. Current weight: 77,721.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574604 << i can't believe this fucktard actually came back under a new name but referenced his old persona.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2014 16:21:56; Ghaleon: hence the typical irc, leet jerk attitude is bout to be extinct
mircea_popescu: srsly ?! try every six months, maybe his retardation now fits reality ? go sulk for another six months, try again ?
mircea_popescu: hey idiot, how about fixing your head instead ?
asciilifeform: hey, vs. mr spam's six weeks.
mircea_popescu: i guess. but an oscillator's still an oscillator, no matter the period.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is very true about the large blocks working against security. Throw it up there as a comment.
mircea_popescu: i';d have left a link on their blog but of course.... cloudflare claims the host is broken
mircea_popescu: because cloudflare, as any other usg product, can never be a failful piece of shit that doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: obamacare for websites.
BingoBoingo: Seriously Cloudflare sites are more unavailable than any others I've seen
mircea_popescu: wait, is that guy in the video trying to charge capacitors in an ac circuit ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo best health care in murica!
asciilifeform: charge capacitors in an ac circuit << great fun when you're a kid
mircea_popescu: heh i guess.
mircea_popescu: from the confiscated miners article, "Неизвестно откуда взявшиеся эксперты таможенной службы установили, что металлические конструкции со встроенными в них схемами «предназначены для выполнения специализированных операций расчета хэш-сумм с б
mircea_popescu: ольшой скоростью, что позволяет использовать их для концентрации на определенном адресе чисел и денежных средств». Вероятно, это подтверждает высокий уровень технической подготовки экспертов таможенной службы Читы, способных н
mircea_popescu: а взгляд определить возможности схем, зашитых в металлический корпус."
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol
mircea_popescu: what uncharitable bs. really, it's that hard to identify hash chips ? i had no idea o.O
asciilifeform: it's a specially-constructed stilted, official language.
mircea_popescu: well or a mockery thereof.
asciilifeform: used in soviet and perhaps other 'eastern despot' officialdom.
asciilifeform: mockery is likely.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, "guy came in with 10lbs of undeclared stuff, got it confiscated"
mircea_popescu: this reminds me vaguely of the nefario timetravel adventures.
asciilifeform: well, to round out story, 'when asked why undeclared, uttered 'bitcoin', received the prescribed five lashes' or the like.
mircea_popescu: a much better story would be something like, "company ordered parts, submitted proper importation documents, had them confiscated at border "
asciilifeform just spent four hours ripping poettering out of what appeared to be a perfectly sanitary gentoo, is mighty pissed
mircea_popescu: make sure you post the results.
mircea_popescu: "poettering-free gentoo"
asciilifeform: lol. next i post the ebola-free pudding recipe.
mircea_popescu: whatever the gentoo repackages are called i forget
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assbot: Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki
asciilifeform: (not my recipe, but from the folks who write recipes)
asciilifeform: and - if you don't mask the turd, 'sanitary' gentoo (sans systemd) will indeed pull in udev-systemd by default.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the first step riding the world of human excrement is telling the "wolfgoethe"s, poetterings, gavins & co of this world that they are wrong to exist.
mircea_popescu: just that simple fact. "no amount of environmentalism helps anything as long as you continue to exist"
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: (or recall yoga master, with his single nail. gotta start small!)
mircea_popescu: o shit this goes with the ak rant
mircea_popescu: !up KamiNoCharto
asciilifeform: yes, it does.
mircea_popescu: why is it "tactical" again ?
mircea_popescu: embedded tictacs ?
asciilifeform: no amount of environmentalism << 'unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better - it's not...'
mircea_popescu: where's the quote from ?
asciilifeform: !s unless someone like you cares
assbot: 0 results for 'unless someone like you cares' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=unless+someone+like+you+cares
mircea_popescu: ahahaha seusss?
asciilifeform: variant is from unwritten mental version of said rhyme
asciilifeform: regarding our friends the poetterings et al.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 18:55:26; asciilifeform: as i understand, the term originally applied to brands of optical rifle sight designed to withstand the field (water, whacking over enemy's head, etc.) vs ones that only need to survive a leisurely duck hunt
mircea_popescu: "unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better - you're rot"
mircea_popescu: mno, vocative
mircea_popescu: "unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better, you rot!"
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asciilifeform invites readers to defile the entire poem
mircea_popescu: got a link ?
mircea_popescu: meh why so long ;/
mircea_popescu: yup, same exact one i found. check out the unspeakable diversity of the interwebs,
asciilifeform: possibly the only intact copy.
asciilifeform: thank the copyrasts.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile reduced to about five hundred sites by the unerring sloth and stupidiy of the masses and the unrelenting efforts of the corporation.
mircea_popescu: such hellspawn that marriage.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 335.56, Best ask: 336.59, Bid-ask spread: 1.03000, Last trade: 336.57, 24 hour volume: 56024.71952397, 24 hour low: 298.32, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 318.889388963
bgupta: Anyone going to DPR's trial on Thursday?
bgupta: I might
mthreat: actual trial already?
mthreat: or just pretrial?
bgupta: Unknown, not well reported.
bgupta: All news articles are beign crubbed
bgupta: scrubbed
assbot: Silk Road (marketplace) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
bgupta: gobimint making ti really hard to know where to show up and say "I am sparticus!"
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021881 B (Total: 478.50 B). Delta: 0.00 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Hey pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: decimation: what I find amusing is that the lefties don't get that they are in a relgious war because they don't even realize that what they are derping about is metaphysics << definitely amusing. though you have to figure that *some* know the equalitarianism can't be measured.
pete_dushenski: heya BingoBoingo
pete_dushenski: nice work on the qntra these last few days :)
pete_dushenski: (and to cazalla as well)
BingoBoingo: So far mostly cazalla
assbot: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork
pete_dushenski: dunno why that dude isn't here already.
pete_dushenski: other than his clear reluctance to get in the wot, he seems smart enough.
BingoBoingo: Dude's pretty much the guy on mining pools
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so, you know, free all the 13 yos trapped in 28 yo bodies. << new mpex fund: freedom28
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF
pete_dushenski: includes life lessons, discipline, fear, obedience, and unpredictable lashings.
mircea_popescu: i am a fourth in and nobody can sleep because of you
mircea_popescu: shameful creature of temptation. BACK! YON BEAST!
mircea_popescu: the power of jesus compiles you!
pete_dushenski: story time chez popescu?
pete_dushenski: …rock-a-by slavegirl… in the treetop… when the wind blows… you'll suck on my cock…
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BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid
punkman: "Gavin offers this 50% yearly figure based on Nielsen's Law of Internet bandwidth which supposes high speed Internet connections double in speed every year."
punkman: well shit, my bw been the same for like 7 years
RagnarDanneskjol: ha seriously
punkman: I guess guy was talking about datacenters or something "a high-end user's connection speed grows by 50% per year"
sgornick: Will Qntra gets its own irc channel?
BingoBoingo: sgornick: It probably won't
assbot: The Lorax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: sgornick why would it want a difdferent one ?
mircea_popescu: <bgupta> I might << if you do, blog it.
sgornick: mircea_popescu: To not add qntra-specific noise to #bitcoin-assets. Lots of chatter will be added from it, I suspect.
mircea_popescu: there is no distinction between this and that.
mircea_popescu: the very point of qntra is for there to not be a distance between truth, as represented here, and news.
mircea_popescu: you'll hafta see the logs of its birth.
assbot: Glasser - Shape - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.0007444 = 6.4763 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "According to CoinThrift the attacked occurred early the morning of October 5th but went undiscovered for some time." s/attacked/attack/c
BingoBoingo: !up startup2`isninja
startup2`isninja: what's new, bingoboingo?
BingoBoingo: Not too much
startup2`isninja: I'll be back tonight. I may have another offer for people, it would be a 1-year position and primarily of interest to people who want a hedge against price movements against them. My previous offers were not closed via -assets or -otc. (No transactions done.) the total size of the offering would be up to 100 coins, US legal system and contracts, and approximately 2 weeks from now until wire (or transfer.)
thickasthieves: hello davout
davout: ohai
davout: howdy
thickasthieves: been bizzy?
davout: yeah, wedding + honeymoon mostly
thickasthieves: usg saying "hey it's only illegal if you get caught right?"
thickasthieves: "As a threshold matter, the declaration does not establish that Ulbricht had a reasonable
thickasthieves: expectation of privacy in the SR Server, as required for him to have standing to move for its
thickasthieves: suppression in the first place"
thickasthieves: if you are criminal, why would you think you have right to privacy?
thickasthieves: isnt there a greater problem where if the gov did inject code to make the server leak, that this precedent would now allow such action the future
thickasthieves: like, if you got a server we dont like, hacking you is fair game
BingoBoingo: Pretty much
thickasthieves: oh wait, they say it explicitly
thickasthieves: "SR Server needed only to be “reasonable” – that is, justified by “legitimate governmental interests.” Vilar, 729 F.3d at 86. Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to “hack” into it in order to search it, as any such “hack” would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain
thickasthieves: criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary ."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35664 @ 0.00074532 = 26.5811 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: total hax man. also, we don't care about your rights. we don't have to care about your rights. we're the government
thickasthieves: well that's preet's take on the matter at least
thickasthieves: we'll see what the judge says
bounce: judges aren't big on waylaying the government these days.
bounce: kinda interesting though, that though it's mostly a dead letter these days over there, you're supposedly still innocent until proven guilty (or badgered into pleading guilty, which they're very good at and do a lot), but that it doesn't go at all for things, like websites. "blatant illegal website!" -- oh, is it? how'd you know that?
thickasthieves: good point
thickasthieves: like how can a foreign website be illegal?
thickasthieves: i suppse it was probably also illegal where SR was hosted
thickasthieves: but arent there other precedents saying a website owner isnt responsible for the crimes commited by users of it?
thickasthieves: do ebay servers get hacked when they discover coupon counterfeiters?
assbot: Silk Road: Government files response to Horowitz Declaration
bounce: "safe harbor" and like rules, yes. which parties like the MAFIAA like to ignore
assbot: Government Set Up A Fake Facebook Page In This Woman’s Name
bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable.
bounce: s/to no/so no/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10423 @ 0.00074579 = 7.7734 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Bearwhale - Imgur
BingoBoingo: Sweet, lotta bearwhale fan art out there. I'm waiting for the slashfic.
assbot: 7th Heaven Dad Stephen Collins Taped Confessing to Child Sex Abuse
BingoBoingo: !up aabtcwhiskyhodl
aabtcwhiskyhodl: wooo bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Yeah whisky and hodl
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 321.03, Best ask: 322.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.47000, Last trade: 322.53, 24 hour volume: 34906.79588908, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 330.464326352
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0007444 = 3.9081 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Gavin comments
assbot: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork
thickasthieves: bingoboingo, typo maximun
thickasthieves: in that article
kakobrekla: maxinum
kakobrekla: maxinum and mininum
bounce: such extremum
thickasthieves: nytimes reports on bearwhale
assbot: BearWhale Is Freaking Out the Bitcoin Markets -- NYMag
thickasthieves: "nd the Bitcoiners celebrated. "WE JUST HARPOONED THAT MOTHERFUCKER!" wrote one. "While the stock markets were closed, we had our weekend full of laughs and tears. Who doesn't wanna be part of it? Long live the 24/7 free market!" wrote another."
mats_cd03: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: where nao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0007442 = 11.0886 BTC [-] {2}
thickasthieves: middle area
thickasthieves: cool cool
ben_vulpes: mright.
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35557887526.9 based on data since last change | 38815196708.8 based on data for last three days
thickasthieves: those new cheapo asicminer prisms will hit the scene soon
BingoBoingo: Maybe I need to stop bashing my hand with the OED when I typo and find a correction that doesn't affect the typing hands.
thickasthieves: be a real writer and write from Androad with autocorrect
thickasthieves: using touch kb of course
ben_vulpes: androad
BingoBoingo: Huh, the Dodgers are starting Kershaw again tomorrow after he got tagged for 8 runs Friday
mats_cd03: i see the scalability roadmap refers to moore's law
mats_cd03: as i understand it moore's law doesn't mean shit anymore
thickasthieves: wasnt moore's
thickasthieves: nielsen's
BingoBoingo: Also the part where bandwidth doesn't evenly increase and shit.
nubbins`: so i click a gop.com link that was posted in this channel
nubbins`: now all week, google is feeding me ads for George H.W. Bush socks
thickasthieves: then if you buy some theyll show you the ad even more
mats_cd03: >Fortunately technological progress marches on, and Nielsen’s Law of Internet Bandwidth and Moore’s Law make scaling up easier as time passes.
nubbins`: no doubt
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ^ if you were wondering what bush sr socks look like
thickasthieves: contribute? to what his whiskey fund?
dub: assets is gop sponsored chan
BingoBoingo: GOP's bigger socialists than Obummer
nubbins`: meantime, you ever look at portrait photographs of dick cheney?
nubbins`: that's the look of a man who fucked you in the ass
mats_cd03: holy shit he's aged
nubbins`: and he knows you can't do anything about it
mats_cd03: bush, that is
assbot: Young Ex-ISIS Hostage Shocks CNN Reporter, Family: ‘They Are Right’ | Mediaite
BingoBoingo: !up jb
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
dub: are they not right?
dub: kid should have beheaded cnn reporter for real shock value
BingoBoingo: Who knows?
dub: I do
assbot: War Tard
TomServo: Could of interesting posts on ISIS there.
TomServo: s/could/couple
sgornick: > Beth Moses led the standardization and testing of extravehicular interfaces for the International Space Station while at NASA.
sgornick: Now trying to get people to use XBT versus BTC
assbot: Press Release October 7, 2014: Bitcoin Foundation Financial Standards Working Group Leads the Way for Mainstream Bitcoin Adoption | The Bitcoin Foundation
sgornick: > Bitcoin are B⃦, ฿, and Ƀ. <--- Which do you prefer?
fluffypony: sgornick: Z
nubbins`: ask me again if/when a standard US keyboard includes a B⃦, ฿, or Ƀ symbol
fluffypony: tbh, Ƀ is a stupid symbol
fluffypony: it looks like a B getting probed analy
fluffypony: which, frankly, is kinda rude since the B didn't do anything to deserve an anal probing
BingoBoingo: No need for a symbol. BTC is fine. People build friendly 'nugh interfaces with BTC
thickasthieves: really i'd rather focus on getting people to quit choosing arbitrary denominations
thickasthieves: like millibit and bitcent
thickasthieves: just uses satoshis dammit
fluffypony: agreed
kakobrekla: how is XBT better ?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://jacquesmaurel.com/gears
assbot: Jacques Maurel - Teacher in Machine Design | GEARS
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thickasthieves: X is better because it kowtows to the establishment
kakobrekla: what?
thickasthieves: which is the purpose of the btcf
kakobrekla: sry i misread it first time
nubbins`: why do i read comments on CBC articles?
nubbins`: this is regarding an article about cleaning products not being required to list the specific perfume/scent ingredients: "Printing is cheap these days so no reason not to list all the ingredients in everything"
kakobrekla: sgornick arguing that XBT is better for adoption or whatever the fuck is beyond retarded
thickasthieves: this is all Circle had to say about my inquiry as to my order being cancelled "We may have delayed your transaction due to our fraud prevention monitoring. I apologize for any inconvenience! We should have this issue resolved in the next few days."
kakobrekla: might as well call btc shitcakes.
thickasthieves: so is my tx delayed or canceled?
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "S&P 500 to post 8th straight quarter of gains" http://bitbet.us/bet/1053/ Odds: 64(Y):36(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.8357673 BTC. Current weight: 91,607.
nubbins`: thickasthieves you'll never know 8)
nubbins`: i did the full gamut w/ my circle account, A+++ would buy satoshis from again
thickasthieves: it's canceled but that's much too substantive a word for a rep to use
thickasthieves: delayed permanently instead
nubbins`: also A+++ would cash out via again
thickasthieves: lol at canadians getting through but not usians
nubbins`: with my visa-enabled debit card!
nubbins`: also worked w/ my straight-up visa, but dem cash advance fees
ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: the wot begins to bite
thickasthieves: this was my message to Circle, to which i got that form response "I shouldn't complain since the price has gone down anyway, but why didn't this order go through? I just want to know how to avoid the problem in the future.
thickasthieves: Note that it's ironic that I actually made this purchase by mistake because I thought the "Deposit" button meant , yknow, depositing funds, not exchanging currencies. Your system of dollarifying all numbers is obnoxious. Let people type in bitcoin amounts and understand it as a separate currency. You're just confusing things."
assbot: Beautiful High Definition Macro Videos of Chemical Reactions
nubbins`: yeah
danielpbarron: !up brianhoffman
nubbins`: MFW i couldn't zero my btc balance upon withdrawal
danielpbarron: wth gribble
ben_vulpes: !up brianhoffman
nubbins`: bbl furnace guy
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot danielpbarron
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
ben_vulpes: i dun get it either, danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: ;;rate danielpbarron 1
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c2fb6d6d44d05e4e920fa7657c657023bca51dd850832f6953cf88c3
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;rate danielpbarron 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 850 @ 0.000598 = 0.5083 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12245 @ 0.00074271 = 9.0945 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, i lost auth
danielpbarron: !up brianhoffman
danielpbarron: i'm not sure how you, ben_vulpes, were able to !up him without being authed
ben_vulpes: stale assbot state?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: any notion?
ben_vulpes: looks like assbot maintains its own notion of authedness
ben_vulpes: but i dunno
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: ! down brianhoffman
ben_vulpes: !down brianhoffman
danielpbarron: how can people say irc isn't "real life?" It has a way to let them storm out all pouty
kakobrekla: if gribble quits you lose his auth but your place in assbots ACL is not lost
kakobrekla: until you quit
bounce: gribble is such a quitter
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: braised a pork shoulder last night
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: mutant 'lorax' << mega-lulz.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats_cd03: i am under the impression SIM cards have DMA
mats_cd03: am i wrong?
assbot: The SIM card is a full featured computer. It has memory, a CPU, and your telco ... | Hacker News
mats_cd03: thats not helpful
nubbins`: nope
nubbins`: but there's a modicum of solace in the fact that other people are similarly confused, no?
dignork: !up dbolser
dbolser: hihi
mats_cd03: the interface is serial but that doesnt really tell me anything
dbolser: working on a counter to the argument that bitcoin price is important if it falls below a certain threshold where the cost of securing the network is 'too high'
bounce: really need to find more ways to recover the secret keys from SIM cards and stick'em in (FOSS-programmed) alternate SIMs that you control
dbolser: I figure cost of securing network is proportional to price
dbolser: but not sure...
dignork: so I invited dbolser here, because we where discussing MV=MC in #bitcoin, but no traction there.
bounce: how hard is it to build a (simple, "feature") phone with fully-controlled firmware including the wireless interface side?
thickasthieves: dbolser while price and mining have a relationship, it is not in sync necessarily
mats_cd03: bounce: not hard. google: osmocombb
assbot: OsmocomBB
thickasthieves: itd be impossible to know the plans and behavior of major mining outfits and their coins and costs
thickasthieves: also keep in mind that mining costs as reported by reddit etc, are just a snapshot of what can be seen, there have been private operations implementing their own chips for a while now
dbolser: thickasthieves: I don't argue that the two are related in a complex way, but I wonder if there is a lower bound on price whereby mining 'colapses'
nubbins`: yeah, the only chips you hear about are the ones where the makers wanted to vacuum up that sweet sweet "investor" money
dbolser: or is a low price not worth attacking?
thickasthieves: bitcoin doesnt care
thickasthieves: it invites all attacks
thickasthieves: but you only get one chance
dbolser: that's beside the point
dbolser: if price goes to 1 cent per 10 BTC (lets say), is there any 'value' in mining?
thickasthieves: the problem i have with the point is it acts like price is a driver of anything but speculation
dbolser: ing?
thickasthieves: mining is more likely to affect price than the reverse imo
mats_cd03: the infinite money machine distorts proper analysis of these things
bounce: so easiest there would be to put a good push behind supporting more phones (like some nokia models from back when they were respectable)
thickasthieves: price isnt a force, it is a measurement
thickasthieves: i think...
dbolser: so, hypothetically, does bitcoin ever die?
dbolser: is there a set of functions it performs as cost enters certain ranges?
ben_vulpes: wrong channel, dbolser
ben_vulpes: can you clarify the functions question?
dbolser: ben_vulpes: yeah, I'm vague there too... like if the price stays really low, it's still a tool for international trade
dbolser: if price gets higher, is it a store of value?
dbolser: I was thinking something along those lines
dbolser: seems the higher the price, the bigger the buzz, the wider the application
ben_vulpes: it's always a store of value, and it's always a method of transacting value.
dbolser: perhaps I need to study alt-coin failure modes
dbolser: yeah
ben_vulpes: the interesting thing is what happens to modern governments that run on printing money.
dignork: dbolser: re alt-coins << there may be a lot of failure modes, but here is a good general explanation: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-problem-with-altcoins/
assbot: The Problem with Altcoins | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
thickasthieves: the function is that bitcoin is designed to be antifragile, so each of it's properties work to correct and balance the others
thickasthieves: re remittance, that is one aspect where price (more specifically, market cap) matters
ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: how does market cap affect remittance?
thickasthieves: bitcoin is backed by bagholders, so if you wanna be able to transact AND cash out large amounts, you need large price
thickasthieves: this is also why you get guys talking about "closing the loop"
thickasthieves: which is not totally possible, but probably the natural point bitcoin trends towards
thickasthieves: closing the loop is probably an anti-goal because changing the value of bitcoin dramatically would also change the costs of goods dramatically
thickasthieves: i'm just thinking out loud here, waiting for someont to bring me to earth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11813156 BTC to 15`414 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.10594672 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 444 satoshi per share
thickasthieves: generally i subscribe to the belief that all extremes and ideals are only achievable for a moment at best, and that a robust/sustainable approach to theory and design is better
nubbins`: i found a piece of paper yesterday that said "1:30pm tuesday oct 7" and i can't remember if i'm supposed to be meeting someone here or not
nubbins`: thickasthieves casascius coins are essentially a closed loop, albeit not a very good example
thickasthieves: i'm not sure we mean the same thing
dignork: thickasthieves: in case of wide usage of btc, remittance as business will disappear
thickasthieves: by closed loop i mean getting people to transact in bitcoin and not convert to fiat
thickasthieves: vendors>business>consumer>employer>
thickasthieves: dignork i assume you mean be taken over by crypto, not disappear
nubbins`: oh sure, yeah
nubbins`: totally different things
los_pantalones: thickasthieves why do ppl think you should exchange a provably finite asset for something like a ham sandwich
thickasthieves: Well i think businesses will still provide the service
dignork: thickasthieves: if it's trivial to find buyer here, and seller there, it won't be remittance anymore, just exchage fees on both sides of trade
los_pantalones: ever seen someone exchange .00001% of their home for a piece of pie ?
thickasthieves: people still wanna 'bank' of asome sort
thickasthieves: that wont go away
thickasthieves: dignork thats what remittance is, paying a fee to transport money via a 3rd party
thickasthieves: i'm saying the 3rd party will continue to exist
thickasthieves: it will just look different
thickasthieves: remit companies might also be more general escrow agencies
thickasthieves: maybe even contract facilitators/arbiters
thickasthieves: maybe get into insurance
thickasthieves: just because bitcoin lets people do things for themselves doesnt mean that all of sudden people will start doing things for themselves
PeterL: http://blog.btcscoop.com/use-code-xbt-not-btc-for-bitcoins/ and yes I see the irony of posting this on a website starting with btc
assbot: Use code XBT, not BTC for bitcoins |
thickasthieves: ;;8ball should we switch to XBT?
gribble: The answer is certainly yes.
thickasthieves: you muthfukah!
thickasthieves: first time gribble failed me
dignork: thickasthieves: in "send money home" scenario, no arbitrage/insurance is required, unless we are talking about hedging volatility risk. Any btc buyer or seller migh assume himself in "remittance business", which means unrestricted lower bound for margin. that's why i think remittance as a business will disappear. It will just turn into a corner case of btc<->whatever trade.
PeterL: you don't need remittances anymore, just a local trader at each end to convert to/from local currency
PeterL: didn't MP once refer to local currency as "food vouchers"?
PeterL: maybe that is why USgov wants the price low, so it is harder to move large quantities of money outside their system without permission?
dignork: PeterL | you don't need remittances anymore << in theory you are right, but for now you have whopping 5 buyers listed on localbitcoins in Mexico. Seems we are not there yet.
PeterL: yeah, not yet, but certainly moving that direction
kakobrekla: no i think we should call it YBT
thickasthieves: those individuals are still remittance businesses
kakobrekla: Y Y? Y not?
thickasthieves: i think we should rename all currencies to add C
thickasthieves: dollarcoin
kakobrekla: CYBT then
thickasthieves: poundcoin
thickasthieves: it's teh rule!
thickasthieves: wtf is the X bs
PeterL: thickasthieves: yes, but it can be a different individual at each end of the transfer, unlike now where you have the same company at both ends
thickasthieves: you dont though
PeterL: no?
thickasthieves: the abstracted "company" is the local bank
thickasthieves: two different ones on each end
chetty: I wouldnt go too much by localbitcoins listings, plenty of places trading in btc not listed
bounce: what, you don't know? currency codes use the iso3166 two letter country code plus one letter for the currency. so BTC is really "bhutan coin". exceptions are the X codes, XAU, XPT, XAG and so on.
kakobrekla: i guess iso3166 can now ask bitcoin if it can reform
thickasthieves: btc is just more likeable, sry
thickasthieves: this decision is best made with emotion
bounce: suriname yen?
nubbins`: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1210.700000000000 USD = 3.6744665999 BTC
nubbins`: ouch
nubbins`: 3.67/oz
rithm: double ouch
rithm: seems like highway robbery for shiny metal
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> i found a piece of paper yesterday that said "1:30pm tuesday oct 7" and i can't remember if i'm supposed to be meeting someone here or not
nubbins`: turns out i did indeed have a meeting scheduled for here
nubbins`: also turns out i'm gonna be printing the writers' alliance quarterly journal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8405 @ 0.00074265 = 6.242 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform >D
nubbins`: mp dat poster link you sent a while back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00074535 = 12.0747 BTC [+]
nubbins`: websites like that make me sad
mircea_popescu doesn't recall
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> http://posters.lardbucket.org/ is this the sorriest thing you ever saw or what
assbot: posters.lardbucket.org
nubbins`: boils some poor heel's life down to this shitty little nugget of wasted effort
nubbins`: and the tagline
nubbins`: "please don't take my stuff"
nubbins`: IF ONLY WE WANTED TO
mircea_popescu: i'm like... dude i used to make that stuff, in basic, on a z80
nubbins`: right?
nubbins`: could make 60 of these a second
mircea_popescu: the blessings of a school system with no grades.
nubbins`: but wait dude, you don't understand, he also did that one of the mandelbrot set
mircea_popescu: people get to be 30 and still have no idea they suck
nubbins`: it's recursively shitty
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i mean, still have no idea that they wolfgoethe
nubbins`: that they...?
mircea_popescu: it's in the logs
nubbins`: !s *goethe
assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2Agoethe
nubbins`: eat shit assbot
nubbins`: oh ahahaha
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 04:02:22; WolfGoethe: I code web mostly. many platforms. had a few startups. did the napster of Ringtones in 2000. and a few social networking sites. and now working on some bitcoin stuff.
nubbins` reads no further
mircea_popescu: it was rather amusing
assbot: Radioactive emission of Uranium visible to naked eye in a cloud chamber! - YouTube
mircea_popescu: cherenkov ?
bounce: it's blue. snazzy tune though. didn't think it had it in it.
nubbins`: luckily this video has an unskippable ad at the start
bounce: didn't get one of those, but I have a lot of ad-y things blocked here.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes why is this a 35s video instead of a 3s gif?
nubbins`: why is it published by "funny videos"?
nubbins`: i'm sorry, i know you don't have answers
mircea_popescu: the ad ?
nubbins`: nah the actual video
nubbins`: it's looping
mircea_popescu: yes, the actual video. because the ad.
nubbins`: o o o
nubbins`: riiight
assbot: 'I've made a terrible mistake' - YouTube
nubbins`: from same channel ;/
mircea_popescu: !up sgornick_
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot sgornick_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick_ | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot sgornick_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick_ | Rated since: never
assbot: Nuclear Reactor start up - YouTube
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot sgornick
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick | Rated since: Thu Dec 2 21:13:08 2010
bounce: ah, the link between the videos is the tune
mircea_popescu: sgornick_ you know you can self up here right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00074535 = 3.5777 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.12600511 = 25.201 BTC [-] {27}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 95 @ 0.1016202 = 9.6539 BTC [-] {10}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo cazalla heh check out the furry of attention your little project is getting from our enemies. methinks we;ve struck oil here.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i should probably say "the enemies of a free world, liberty, happiness and generally humanity", but it's kinda lengthy to give these people all their proper titles and indignities.
nubbins`: let them be henceforth known as The Enemies
mircea_popescu: ahhh that govt response to the horowitz declaration
assbot: Complain About Comcast, Get Fired From Your Job - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: "we made it a secret and prosecute anyone disclosing how we infringe rights
mircea_popescu: the law requires someone asking for his rights to be protected to say how his rights were infringed
mircea_popescu: therefore this motion should be dismissed"
mircea_popescu: how do these people even get out of bed in the morning ?
nubbins`: i think they black out their mirrors
mircea_popescu: compartimentalisation only goes so far.
nubbins`: it helps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00074535 = 6.41 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and bingo you're doing a bangass job over there! everyone else links the pdf, you put in the text. brownie points.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller listen, you actually shipping those cookies ?
nubbins`: COOKIE CHIEF
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i am curious how many of the references and injokes are actually observable from outside the work
mircea_popescu: and how many random bits are overinterpreted in the quest for the former
artifexd: qntra.net << Awesome DNS
assbot: startup_isninja +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
fluffypony: Have we discussed David Seaman's proclamation of Bitcoin's demise? I see pete_dushenski spotted it
mircea_popescu: we have not, because we did last time and well, it just seems to encourage this sort of thing
nubbins`: !up startup_isninja
mircea_popescu: anything substantial in there ?
nubbins`: if you're ninjashogun, expect the reverse in a moment
mircea_popescu: !down startup_isninja
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i've read enough nonsense today
fluffypony: He basically went on a rant
mircea_popescu: well good for him, and let his mother know
fluffypony: About how Bitcoin is dead because the price went so low
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is the guy even ?
fluffypony: And if it wast dead the price wouldn't go that low
fluffypony: Wasn't
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. im sure the price for his penis is over 300 bux.
fluffypony: He's a turd, but a hilarious one
fluffypony: Plus his surname is seaman
fluffypony: So theres that
mircea_popescu: i wonder why all the people with shitty names don't get together and make their own country.
mircea_popescu: ben dover's gulch
mircea_popescu: o, right! because it's a stupid idea! well... nevermind then.
nubbins`: i know a woman with the last name Smellie, true story
bounce: nice and short story
mircea_popescu: i had a dentist in ro, her last name was moustache
nubbins`: the best stories are succinct, yet moving, and oddly telling
mircea_popescu: and with perky tits.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` by the way, know the story of old john cocksucker and his namechange ?
nubbins`: nope. married an italian woman named Bella Fellatoria?
mircea_popescu: lol. nah. he was this guy about fifty, not particularly bight, in fact closer to high functioning retardation
mircea_popescu: that minded his own business, was kinda friendly, and so everyone he knew suggested he do one thing for his future
mircea_popescu: and change that name
nubbins`: sure, yeah
mircea_popescu: so eventually, after much reflection, he did
mircea_popescu: to... george.
nubbins`: who else, let me see...
nubbins`: there's a spin instructor at the gym named dick barter
nubbins`: i've taken to calling him cock swap
nubbins`: (not to his face, he could likely kick me to death)
nubbins`: there was a dope dealer named richard ball
nubbins`: overheard one day: "man, anybody ever call you dick ball?"
nubbins`: stonefaced reply: "no."
nubbins`: awkward silence, question guy leaves w/o another word
mircea_popescu: "During the last eighteen months I have not had the good fortune to attend my own funeral, but with that exception I have buried pretty nearly everything I lived for." << wow check out this guy.
mircea_popescu: now that's quality depression.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: the poster still hasn't come :(
nubbins`: A++++ would use to boost own feelings again
nubbins`: thestringpuller :/ let me find a tracking #
assbot: Philip Pynn, Averill Baker shared 'passionate kiss' before arrest - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
thestringpuller: thanks nubbins`
nubbins`: this is maybe the most prominent defence lawyer in the province
mircea_popescu: he got arrested ?!
nubbins`: lawyer (she) did not get arrested
nubbins`: her kissy-mate, who had murdered a guy 24h prior, got arrested
mircea_popescu: see, this is why the motherfucking wasps were so wrong.
mircea_popescu: nothing better than women with careers.
mircea_popescu: nicholson famously makes this point on stand once.
nubbins`: thestringpuller: Your item was undeliverable as addressed at 2:51 pm on September 20, 2014 in ATLANTA, GA 30309. It is being returned if appropriate information is available.
thestringpuller: nubbins` can you pm me the address that was given to you by the artist?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i take that as a no ?
nubbins`: ooooooooo fuck me in the ass, i wrote the P.O. Box number down wrong
thestringpuller: No problem.
thestringpuller: Just lemme know how we resolve this.
nubbins`: let me find the tx, PM me a btc address
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: like how can a foreign website be illegal? <<< you got an oxymoron problem going there son ?
nubbins`: i'll refund you, that package will likely be destroyed.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dyslexia strikes a gain ?
thestringpuller: what about the shirts?
thestringpuller: I still want a poster :(
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i almost made the same mistake on the shirts
nubbins`: dysnumeria i guess or w/e it's called
guruvan: never doubt the wisdom of the gribble
nubbins`: thestringpuller shirts will be arriving at proper location
mircea_popescu: guruvan what did it do this time ?
guruvan scrolls back down to the present
thestringpuller: guruvan...that name looks familiar
nubbins`: thestringpuller try calling USPS and give them tracking # LM000212190CA
guruvan: failed thickasthieves - told him to buy XBT
thestringpuller: do you comment on trilema?
nubbins`: there's an off-chance it'll still be in a sort facility somewhere.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: do ebay servers get hacked when they discover coupon counterfeiters? << no, because ebay servers are already hacked by design, because they use the "proper" software as indicated.
guruvan: thestringpuller: no - but I've been around here a long while - just not much in here for a while
mircea_popescu: bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable. << they "just knew" heh.
mircea_popescu: but really, this silkroad thing is becoming a major liability for the usg, after having actually crossed the line from gain to liability sometime in spring.
nubbins`: the FBI "just knew" in the sense that an NSA agent walked into their office and said "hey, check out this URL!"
mircea_popescu: making it n-0, retroactively. THEY HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY SCORE ONCE!
mircea_popescu: and that n is pretty fuckingly scary high, what with the heartbleed headshot and all the other outlays generously handed out by la serenissima.
bounce: well, losing only counts if the judge says it's a loss. if they don't, it's a win.
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: the embarassment of havcing to answer to it makes it a loss already.
mircea_popescu: fascist government only works if unquestioned.
mircea_popescu: if questioned, no matter what the sops say, it's still a loss.
mircea_popescu: assbot: 7th Heaven Dad Stephen Collins Taped Confessing to Child Sex Abuse <<< holy shit omfg no wai!!1
mircea_popescu: molested 17 yo jessica biel ?! WHERE IS THAT TAPE!
bounce: morally, but the usg doesn't care about that; it figures it's too big to fail
mircea_popescu: yes, but practically the delusions of the players aren't relevant.
mircea_popescu: the game is still played by points.
mircea_popescu: and the points still go n-0.
bounce: but who cares if the bill only comes due well after your pension?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot good work on the "new" lorax lol
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: bounce depending on one's age, i wouldn't put much stock in that. i suppose septuagenarians have good cause to be disinterested on these grounds.
mircea_popescu: but anyone else... who cares if the bill comes due just as you're due for pension payments? hm ?
bounce: also depends on your perception. this is perhaps the more cogent point. who's going to be right? well... if we're lucky and they're not a lot of the cogs in the usg are going to feel mightily blindsided.
mircea_popescu: every current usg employee is in direct danger of starvation, once they reach old age. better make some good friends and suck up to the fambly, because the usg won't be here to pick up their tabs.
mircea_popescu: bounce not so.
mircea_popescu: it takes precious little luck for the woodchpper to grind a whole forrest.
mircea_popescu: all it takes is a little time and a coupla determined people.
mircea_popescu: the tools are present.
Azelphur: don't suppose anyone here knows the solution to http://pastebin.com/USqRfYca ?
assbot: $ git commit -S gpg: skipped "Alfie "Azelphur" Day <support@azelphur.com>": sec - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: Azelphur you missing the secret key ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: that's the part that makes no sense, I shouldn't be, it's the same key I've always used on this machine since the dawn of time, I only have one key, gpg --list-secret-keys shows one key
Azelphur: It shouldn't be*
bounce: perhaps depends on a gpg agent that isn't running or perhaps doesn't have the key loaded
Azelphur: bounce: that's possible, the key does require a passphrase
mircea_popescu: you see why this is not the sort of thing another could help with Azelphur. check the secret keyring ? maybe is there a pinentry involved that fails silently ?
nubbins`: try clearsigning something
kakobrekla: just show us your private key
mircea_popescu: nobody really knows the intricate details of your own "dawn of time" history but you
Azelphur: nubbins`: echo "Hello world" | gpg --clearsign works fine
nubbins`: passwd prompt?
Azelphur: nubbins`: nope
bounce: well then. time to dig into git for a bit.
punkman: Azelphur: try this: git config --global user.signingkey FFFFFFFF
guruvan: or perhaps the .git/config doesn't
guruvan: have the right key in there?
Azelphur: punkman: thanks, that solved it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2014_10_06_Government_Response_To_Horowitz_Declaration.pdf << PHP databases << whether they are or they aren't, that's what the us govt will claim there was. because it's a noncontroversial tech, much like hollywood still shows diskettes in movies to this day.
mircea_popescu: for a bunch of experts that use excel, the controlling factor is to make sure the story's believable.
nubbins`: they do?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` on occasion
nubbins`: interesting, "the net" was the last movie i recall seeing a 3.5"
nubbins`: ;;google the net sandra bullock
gribble: The Net (1995) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113957/>; The Net (1995 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Net_(1995_film)>; Amazon.com: The Net: Sandra Bullock, Jeremy Northam, Dennis ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Net-Sandra-Bullock/dp/0800141768>
nubbins`: 19 years, wow
mircea_popescu: "Snoops" The Stolen Diskette (TV Episode 2000)
mircea_popescu: apparently Live Free or Die Hard (2007) was one of the first films to use the sticks.
mircea_popescu: S1m0ne (2002), has a floppy in there.
mike_c: ooh, SR was using "php databases"
mircea_popescu: and omfg that was an atrociously bad film jesus
mike_c: no wonder it sucked
mircea_popescu: it did ? (i have nfi)
mike_c: "Silk Road’s reliance on PHP databases was readily observable from the website itself during the time of its operation"
mike_c: this is gov't derping from the filing.
mike_c: hopefully such a thing doesn't actually exist.
mike_c: they are just talking about phpmyadmin.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: be a real writer and write from Androad with autocorrect << so much win
mircea_popescu: mike_c i wouldn't really take anything the govt says at face value. the derps in that courtroom painfully remind of http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/
assbot: Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: oh no, to be clear I am laughing at them.
thickasthieves: the trading chat is all "we'll have one more new low, then moon"
mircea_popescu: o they caught on have they.
mircea_popescu: i guess I should make a little infographic while at it.
thickasthieves: they missed the low, and now wan to will it into being
thickasthieves: at least that's what the good old rooibos tells me
mircea_popescu: oh oh. lol. shoulda read moar trilema.
mircea_popescu: which chan is this ?
thickasthieves: not a chan sadly, tradingview.com
thickasthieves: the least trollboxy one ive found
thickasthieves: still took a lot of ignores to be decent tho
fluffypony: mmmm, rooibos iced tea with vanilla vodka
bounce: there is only one original trollbox
fluffypony: Such nomos7
fluffypony: FFs, stupid autocorrect
thickasthieves: it's a great website though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00074535 = 11.4039 BTC [+]
thickasthieves: i should use though less tho
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 330.33, Best ask: 331.53, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 331.55, 24 hour volume: 24923.24390781, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 336.99, 24 hour vwap: 327.245791236
thestringpuller: haven't seen fluffypony in awhile
thickasthieves: someone dumped AM1 i see
thickasthieves: bad news?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: wow you tore gavin a new one on qntra.
mircea_popescu: nobody forces derps to derp.
thestringpuller: He didn't even respond...caught with his pants down to see that his balls are missing?
thickasthieves: why would he respond?
thickasthieves: he already chose his team
thestringpuller: Team USG!
thestringpuller: USA USA USA!
thestringpuller: so bad. :(
nubbins`: !t h am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.10010000 / 0.11865812 / 0.14600000 (303 shares, 35.95341020 BTC), 7D: 0.10000001 / 0.13318606 / 0.19210002 (1622 shares, 216.02778869 BTC), 30D: 0.10000001 / 0.15787022 / 0.26900000 (5077 shares, 801.50712295 BTC)
thickasthieves: bloomberg tv talking about blockchain $30m and btc
thickasthieves: theyll be interviewed too
nubbins`: blockchain.info is a handy enough read-only wallet that i haven't bothered trying any others
thickasthieves: i used it for a bit but stopped
mircea_popescu: they;re one of the lenders, but! i gotta say they parlayed very little into a whole lot. they don't actually have enough btc on hand to justify a 30mn grant.
thickasthieves: i dont understand how you put $30m into a wallet company and take $30m+ back out
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ << thickasthieves you can tell the tradechats that one :D
assbot: This is how much I rule (today) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves which is why it's called a grant.
thickasthieves: lol they arent ready
nubbins`: oh fuck, wow
nubbins`: earlier today, headline on cbc news website was "freight train operators report falling asleep on job"
mircea_popescu: anyway. baring some sort of miracle, that's that.
mircea_popescu: and miracles are in short supply these days.
nubbins`: all about being overworked, no sleep, etc
mircea_popescu: kinda longstanding problem thios
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 114 @ 0.01059769 = 1.2081 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: that's no longer the main headline because we now have BREAKING: Major train derailment near Wadena, Sask.
bounce: well, that's one way to spin control
mircea_popescu: bounce how do you mean ?
bounce: eh n'mind.
mircea_popescu: dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << yeah, but the great old party in question is the guelph.
bounce: oh, anhydrous ammonia, "highly toxic" says cnbs. to aquatic animals, says wikipedia.
thestringpuller: what was that article about giving engineers too much money on trilema?
bounce: s/cnbs/cbc/
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com too much money engineer
gribble: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/>; ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html>; The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>
mircea_popescu: there you go.
thestringpuller: I wonder if the enemy is lurking on Trilema.
thickasthieves: well after the SEC interaction he probly got on some lists ;)
fluffypony: thestringpuller: I'm around
chetty: they would be fools not to
fluffypony: just been busy
rithm: roflcopter
thestringpuller: random: is davout still on honeymoon leave?
mircea_popescu: wasnt he here earlier ?
thickasthieves: yeah he said hi and that the honeymoon is over
mircea_popescu: assbot: Press Release October 7, 2014: Bitcoin Foundation Financial Standards Working Group Leads the Way for Mainstream Bitcoin Adoption | The Bitcoin Foundation << they really should stop competing with the onion.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: it looks like a B getting probed analy <<< would you prefer an octopus ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: come to thinkj about it me too.
fluffypony: the symbol for Hydra from the Marvel comics would be awesome
assbot: Octopus Video | Whitezine | Design Graphic & Photography Inspirations
assbot: Woman's mouth 'falls pregnant' to twelve squid after biting into sea creature, scientists claim | Daily Mail Online
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: No need for a symbol. BTC is fine. People build friendly 'nugh interfaces with BTC << yeahy but then how would vessenes' scam ring issue "press releases" about things and stuff ?
thickasthieves: i was loading some stuff into the fridge earlier and felt like a web or string my neck, so i grabbed and flicked to floor. it was a huge red wasp.
mircea_popescu: those can be dangerous
thickasthieves: just glad it didnt get me
nubbins`: wasps are dickheads
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: how is XBT better ? << it's great in that it gives btc the occasion to show the entire iso process the door.
nubbins`: bees are bros though
thickasthieves: 'I was in a loving, healthy, great relationship for four years,' she told the magazine. 'It was long distance, and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2783719/Jennifer-Lawrence-speaks-time-nude-photo-leak-Vanity-Fair.html
assbot: Jennifer Lawrence speaks out for the first time about nude photo leak to Vanity Fair | Daily Mail Online
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00074535 = 0.8944 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well... porn of you, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: these self-righteous cunts. it's porn when other women do it, amirite ?
mircea_popescu: shut up and embrace it. when we want porn, you do porn. when porridge is fashionable you make porrige and if sandwiches come into fashion you make sandwiches. wtf is this.
thickasthieves: also, long-distance is a correctable disposition
thickasthieves: just stop having a career and go home
assbot: Adobe Spies On Users' eBook Libraries - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves or stop calling "a career" menial, servant jobs which don't afford you being with your family.
mircea_popescu: that's what motherfucking careers are : lines of work where you can do what you please.
mircea_popescu: doing what you have to is for house servants.
thickasthieves: hallelujah
bounce: "deputy cto", such an interesting job title.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: Note that it's ironic that I actually made this purchase by mistake because I thought the "Deposit" button meant , yknow, depositing funds, not exchanging currencies. Your system of dollarifying all numbers is obnoxious. Let people type in bitcoin amounts and understand it as a separate currency. You're just confusing things." <<< they're not JUST confusing things.
mircea_popescu: merely doing what told.
mircea_popescu: bounce that feels like it should have a titty in there.
BingoBoingo: bingoboingo cazalla heh check out the furry of attention your little project is getting from our enemies. methinks we;ve struck oil here. << I think the individual blogs stung from time to time. The concentrated effort on a news as information service scares them.
thickasthieves: when i showed my wife the TBF nonprofit documents she commented "Chief Scientist" is an odd job title for a nonprofit
mircea_popescu: yeah well chief derp didn't sound as exciting to the prospective candidate
thickasthieves: also noted that the exec is actually a paid consultant from a separate company
thickasthieves: not unheard of , but notbale
thickasthieves: i got some good typos today
mircea_popescu: anyway, she needn't worry : the third party company is where the siphoned funds are headed. the foundation is just the scamming public front.
rithm: but this is the intertubes, it must be science'd
thickasthieves: she thought ot was the exec title at first, since he's the only guy on payroll
rithm: economics is scientific and mostly theoretical, chief scientist sounds legit on a spaceship
mircea_popescu: rithm your rhymes!
assbot: Build a bank | Hacker News
rithm: whatever that is
rithm: it really time for a bank named triangle, rhombus, trapezoid, or dodecagon
thickasthieves: dogecagon
mircea_popescu: or it could just be called calgon and also fix your washing machine.
rithm: i may be too late for triangle bank
thickasthieves: and fix your depression
rithm: some pills are hexagon, so hexagon bank would operate on new planes of banking
rithm: yeah that depression quote from earlier nearly made me bleed out
rithm: thankfully my secretary found me in time and administered beer
mircea_popescu: these people are out of a parody i swear. every single day. EVERY SINGLE DAY there's a "protest" in buenos aires. bout a hundred or so people gather (50 or so being the same throughout), drum the same tune on perhaps he same drums. each day.
mircea_popescu: it's almost like alternative busking.
mircea_popescu: i wonder who arranges the scheduling for all this.
rithm: #occupy?
mircea_popescu: i like how danielpbarron is -30 on the wot and +5 to assbot
mircea_popescu: if there's ever a need for illustration of the concept of total trust, and it's pointlessness - that's it
jurov: does or will qntra sell adspace?
mircea_popescu: eventually. it's an iffy topic.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> !up startup_isninja << lol
thickasthieves: i hope they dont do ads
thickasthieves: i'd rather just pay
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: is the third-party corp identified yet?
thickasthieves: so tired of ads in my face
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yeah, ycombinator scamring
mircea_popescu: whatever they call the sub in question.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic judges commonly view through defendants corporate structrurings, if those are intended to mask the real interests in the case.
mircea_popescu: why do you think this'd be any differen ?
midnightmagic: I don't. It's just irritating.
thickasthieves: ;;later tell pankkake bitfetch.com seems dead and i am sad
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: what is bitfetch?
thickasthieves: remote encrypted torrent dwnloader
thickasthieves: you put in a magnet link and it downloads and zips the file for you to download directly, for a small btc fee
thickasthieves: not so small, in hindsight, but yknow
thestringpuller: there was another site like that that was listed on GLBSE
thestringpuller: but i think he got shut down
mats_cd03: how is it things like that get shut down, but seedbox providers continue to operate?
jurov: how it got shud down?
jurov: *shut
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.12 = 1.08 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: nice headline "Airbitz’s Touchless Bitcoin Wallet Targets Novices, Evangelists Alike"
assbot: Taking the fight for #transparency to court | Twitter Blogs
thestringpuller: ulbrich is gonna get off
thestringpuller: thats what she said
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14648977 = 1.4649 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14789991 = 1.479 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.11598923 = 13.6867 BTC [-] {6}
kakobrekla: <Dizzle> hey, how do I use this #bitcoin-assets channel? assbot is down < heh
kakobrekla: down for a minute and i get complaints.
mthreat: kakobrekla: a good sign
mthreat: kakobrekla: no one complains about useless software
kakobrekla: mebbe
kakobrekla: unless forced to use it
thickasthieves: oh man i just made another great typo, discussing how the bearwhale was actually the 'givernment'
nubbins`: <+thickasthieves> dogecagon ,,google bobcaygeon
nubbins`: ,,fail ;(
nubbins`: ;;google bobcaygeon
gribble: Bobcaygeon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobcaygeon>; The Tragically Hip - Bobcaygeon - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6QDjDPRF5c>; Bobcaygeon & Area Chamber of Commerce: <http://www.bobcaygeon.org/>
assbot: Julian Assange: Bitcoin is Much More Than Just a Currency - YouTube
Daniel_Krawisz: ;;rate bitstein 10
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user bitstein has been recorded.
Daniel_Krawisz: Wups, wrong tab.
thickasthieves: we dont mind in channel ratings
thickasthieves: 10 would have sex again
nubbins`: 10+++
kakobrekla: i wouldnt give 10 to my mother
nubbins`: ;;rated nanotube
gribble: You rated user nanotube on Tue Aug 12 18:41:45 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: If you don't trust nano....
kakobrekla: maybe a 7 or an 8.
kakobrekla: highest i have given is 8
thickasthieves: would you give 10 to yourself?
Daniel_Krawisz: Ok, well it's reciprocal altruism.
nubbins`: thickasthieves -1 not sure if trust
kakobrekla: thickasthieves dunno im biased
thickasthieves: dpnt be so hard on urself
nubbins`: highest otherwise i've given is 2
nubbins`: i mean, come on
kakobrekla: the '8' is 'know him in real life for 10years+'
Daniel_Krawisz: oh ok. Well I guess we've been using a different convention.
kakobrekla: Daniel_Krawisz feel free to rate 11 if you wanna
kakobrekla: we just talking.
nubbins`: i know plenty of people 10y+ that i don't trust
nubbins`: even the nano rating is a lel, but it's true as well
kakobrekla: nubbins` yeah but time is a nonescapable condition
Daniel_Krawisz: Thanks, I downgraded him to 8.
bitstein: We are still trying to learn the best rating scales for our purposes. Perhaps a 10 is too high, but we want to signal a strong bond between board members of SNI. Moving to an 8.
Daniel_Krawisz: We're actually conjoined twins.
Daniel_Krawisz: So that's a literal strong bond.
kakobrekla: where does it say all members of your thing should have equal ratings to eachother and why
thickasthieves: you dont want to 'signal' anything
thickasthieves: it's ok to trust one board member more than another
Daniel_Krawisz: Well if I'm not supposed to signal anything, then I'll just give everybody random numbers as ratings.
thickasthieves: it helps YOU too to realize and enact this
kakobrekla: for example, i rated mp 3 and he rated me 5, yet we are equal partner in bitbet.
kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading.
bitstein: Okay, well as I clearly said, we are still learning. Our ratings will adjust over time. I actually probably need to give Daniel a complex number. A 7i + 6.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00074326 = 3.0474 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: bitstein, we dont actually know whats best, we just talk like it
Daniel_Krawisz: It's a good way to establish a dominance hierarchy.
bitstein: Word. I’d definitely be interested to learn how different people have thought through their ratings scale, though.
danielpbarron: i think of it as an exponential thing -- not sure what the base is
thickasthieves: ;;market sell 5000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1575560.1919 USD and would take the last price down to 297.7100 USD, resulting in an average price of 315.1120 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0388 seconds
thickasthieves: stampers arent out of money yet
bitstein: danielpbarron: This. This is the base. http://youtu.be/eyPZFi2b380?t=3m16s
assbot: Josey Wales "Nothing Extra" - YouTube
bitstein: ^ That is how I view the WoT.
assbot: '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins - Confesses on Tape to Child Molestation ... NYPD Investigating | TMZ.com
Daniel_Krawisz: Gang's all here now.
mats_cd03: what of Mr. Wilson?
Daniel_Krawisz: We broke his window with a baseball.
mats_cd03: guess you'll have to call tim the tool man
Daniel_Krawisz: So I'm curious as to why mercea_popescu has been saying that an increased block size is a security problem. What's the issue here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25508 @ 0.0007459 = 19.0264 BTC [+] {2}
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 332.93, Best ask: 333.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 332.92, 24 hour volume: 22642.94964933, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 336.99, 24 hour vwap: 326.71802822
Daniel_Krawisz: So I'm curious as to why mircea_popescu has been saying that an increased block size is a security problem. What's the issue here? (sorry, I suck at spelling)
danielpbarron: Daniel_Krawisz, bigger blocks, fewer full nodes, less decentralizedness
thickasthieves: it's ever-increasing, increased the burden on nodes, and places pressure on the one leg of bitcoin that isnt properly compensated
Daniel_Krawisz: Oh, ok. Yeah, something needs to be done about that but I think it's a solvable problem.
thickasthieves: i'm having no part in a fork tho
thickasthieves: we built this city on rock n roll
Daniel_Krawisz: Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess.
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Daniel_Krawisz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Daniel_Krawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Daniel_Krawisz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Daniel_Krawisz | Rated since: never
Daniel_Krawisz: I logged in with the wrong name accidentally. It should be DanielKrawisz
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust DanielKrawisz
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Daniel_Krawisz!~dragonfly@50.97.94.39-static.reverse.softlayer.com. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user DanielKrawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=DanielKrawisz | WoT data: (1 more message)
danielpbarron: Daniel_Krawisz, type /nick DanielKrawisz
DanielKrawisz: Thanks.
mike_c: i bought a 4tb hdd for $190 the other day.
mats_cd03: !s rubber hose cryptanalysis
assbot: 3 results for 'rubber hose cryptanalysis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rubber+hose+cryptanalysis
danielpbarron: as to the conversation regarding BTC or XBC, a suitable symbol is '$' because, screw the dollar
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate DanielKrawisz 5 excellent writer who can’t spell - SNI compadre
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user DanielKrawisz has been recorded.
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate bitstein 5 knows how to code, has a nose for scammers - SNI compadre
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user bitstein has changed from 10 to 5.
DanielKrawisz: Wow, major downgrade.
bitstein: I’m half the man I used to be.
napedia: ;;rate DanielKrawisz 5 Altcoin Hitler
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user DanielKrawisz has been recorded.
assbot: Pierre Rochard (@Pierre_Rochard) | Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded.
Pierre_Rochard: DanielKrawisz: I lost trust in humanity as a whole, it’s nothing personal
bitstein: Pierre_Rochard is the David Seaman of SNI.
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 I know my tweets are good when he favorites them https://twitter.com/danielpbarron
assbot: Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) | Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
bitstein: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 encourages my self-flagellation https://twitter.com/danielpbarron
assbot: Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) | Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
kakobrekla: !s sni
thickasthieves: excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses?
assbot: 23 results for 'nakamoto institute' - #bitcoin-assets search
thickasthieves: like send 1000sat and your tx will get relayed
thickasthieves: even better, send one ATC
thickasthieves: nodecoin
danielpbarron: thickasthieves, i had that idea too
danielpbarron: simple html form with a text blob and submit button
danielpbarron: paste raw tx hex
thickasthieves: i kinda wonder if this might be an actual use for an altcoin though
thickasthieves: that way there is a symbiosis
danielpbarron: if no node fee, tx is ignored
thickasthieves: you could even charge by the size
DanielKrawisz: Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.
thickasthieves: but you dont need to fork bitcoin or whatever to do it
thickasthieves: just do it
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate napedia 5 I know where he lives. A right and honorable denizen of the net
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user napedia has been recorded.
danielpbarron: this is like a gpg key signing party, only it's not pointless
bitstein: ;;rate napedia 5 ATX BTC Meetup - Very privileged
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user napedia has changed from 6 to 5.
bitstein: ;;rate pierre_rochard 5 Crypto-Seneca of SNI
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pierre_rochard has changed from 8 to 5.
bitstein: ;;rate danielkrawisz 5 Maharishi of SNI
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
danielpbarron: you don't have to reconnect to re-auth
danielpbarron: now you gone lost yer voice
princessnell: atx is repping strong 2nite
bitstein: ATX is the Vienna of Crypto-Anarchy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00074402 = 8.3702 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38343 @ 0.00074227 = 28.4609 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Why hasn’t the U.S. closed its airports to travelers from Ebola-ravaged countries? - The Washington Post
decimation: asciilifeform: it's more important to cater to democrat votebanks than to protect the general population from ebola
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.14999998 = 1.05 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << quote from gigantic comment thread in the red/blue post: "You shouldn’t be worried more people of the Red Tribe will start voting for Republicans, Republicans are your best friends, they pacify the Red Tribe. You should be worried when they stop voting Republican and your civil society fractures."
decimation: http://flowingdata.com/2014/02/05/where-people-run/ << wow, no one jogs through anacostia, I'm shocked
assbot: Where People Run in Major Cities
decimation: in 1918 usg policy was to stop border transit in case of disease: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/10/disaster-in-the-south-pacific/
assbot: Disaster in the South Pacific « Isegoria
mats_cd03: public health policy in the us is good enough to handle ebola
decimation: ebola is ok for you
mats_cd03: id live
mats_cd03: sounds like excellent population control
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: in exactly the same way amputation is good weight control
asciilifeform: 'lose weight, shed limbs!' < how i always read the spam slogan 'lose weight, shed lbs'
TheNewDeal: I don't want to lose that much!
mats_cd03: well its not like youll get america to eat salad instead of burgers
TheNewDeal: Speaking of which, I was eating a salad in front of a colleague, and he decided to be healthy he was going to not eat the bun on his burger
TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward
TheNewDeal: but then again the salads at most places in the US aren't even healthy themselves. Covered with cheese, think mayo based "dressing," and a bunch of crutons
mats_cd03: call me when you get him to trade the patty for gluten
asciilifeform: mr. ebama - spreading obola.
dub: decimation: I don't really consider teh US as having a political system
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decimation: dub: at best it is a one party system
dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd
decimation: Mr. Hand also guides the opposition into safe pasture
dub: liberal and conservate don't mean anything more than libertarian does
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TheNewDeal: they're somewhat descriptive filters, especially when considering usian politics
TheNewDeal: not ideal, but they at least serve some purpose
decimation: those words are quite meaningful and apply broadly
decimation: it's just that the parties to which those labels are applied rarely act in any other way than the status quo
TheNewDeal: I do agree with the US being a one party though
decimation is known as eth5434356475907977648659
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asciilifeform: eth3 << lol!
decimation: actually the democrats/republicans are quite distinguishable and serve different purposes
dub: has your air gap failed?
decimation: democrats attempt to get more free stuff from productive people to their interested constituencies
asciilifeform: incidentally, that crap gets magicked away when you zap 'udev' (actually, the name - under modern gentoo - now refers to a satanic udev-systemd - and replace with 'eudev'.
asciilifeform: (at least on the box in question)
TheNewDeal: decimation , many conservatives do this as well
decimation: republicans quell dissent by speaking against further handouts in public and in private slowrolling/diverting handouts to their own feeble interests
decimation: asciilifeform: I was going to make this point yesterday: you drive a stake in the heart of systemd because you prefer... bash?
asciilifeform: prefer bash ?
decimation: classic init
asciilifeform: i prefer a goose feather pen and ink from tree bark - if that is the only way to be rid of poettering.
asciilifeform does not buy forced dichotomy here
decimation: my point being that bash's shaky foundation has recently been revealed
decimation: that being said, I agree that init.d has way more miles than whatever craziness poettering is pushing
decimation: in either case, modern computing sucks
dub: ah yes, udev was the thing
asciilifeform: 'the hunchback will be straightened by his grave.' (ru. saying.)
decimation: so eudev restores the sane default of eth#
asciilifeform: actually atm not 100% sure if it's eudev, or patch to config of original (satanic) variant
asciilifeform: anyone who gives a damn, invited to test the question.
asciilifeform: (anyone other than me?...)
dub: bit me hard back when rolling my own routers made sense, suddenly no way to predict which if was what on boot
decimation: googling around, I find many bewildered sysadmins who care
dub: !up jayk
asciilifeform wishes he had time to investigate why manual described 'eudev' as 'a fork of system-udev'
dub: someone?
decimation: as I wrote yesterday, one can always write a script to explore /sys/ if one wishes to understand how their devices are laid out
asciilifeform: dub: rolling own routers makes sense now. and even more sense yesterday.
decimation: I remember running a nat on my old 486 with slackware
kakobrekla: !up jayk ?
decimation: princessnell: how goes the blogging these days?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu a modern u.s. schoolboy may or may not get references like 'tammany bees' - sure.
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mircea_popescu: more to it than that asciilifeform :D
mircea_popescu: !up jayk
jayk: ty
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: down for a minute and i get complaints. << depending on the recipient's age, going down for one minute may be all it takes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i wouldnt give 10 to my mother << you don't know her like we do :D
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Daniel_Krawisz http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer’s confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four."
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD
mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz: Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess. <<< yeah, sure they will. specifically, sink the bitcoin lite resulting from the fork and sticking to the original.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses? << zipf problem.
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: he's almost ninjashogun level, the way he goes everywhere, trying a pass or two of the same spun content.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mega-lol. nato world tired of living? << from what i gather a little bit of epidemic doesn't look so bad up top. nice profits for pharma, might even get the country outta recession.
asciilifeform: naturally.
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