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mircea_popescu: ;;ud mpex
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mpex.net | ... mpec · mpeepee · mpeg · mpenzi · Mpex.net · MPF · mpfag · MPFF · mpffffffffhahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh · MPFH · MPFM · mpfree ... Mpex.net isn't defined.
Vexual: unbeliezable
Vexual: can we get mcafee in here? i know he watches
copumpkin: mpex.ws works!
copumpkin: weird
copumpkin: oh, and the statement came out too!
copumpkin: it's christmas
mircea_popescu: how's lyf copumpkin ?
copumpkin: going pretty well! you?
mircea_popescu: well actually... i think there's a fire in the building.
copumpkin: that sounds somewhat problematic
copumpkin: what are you doing about it?
nubbins`: Vexual that would be rad
mircea_popescu: copumpkin same thing i'm doing about global warming. waiting it the shit out.
Vexual: lol
copumpkin: sounds like a plan
copumpkin: perhaps not the best plan
copumpkin: but definitely a plan
mircea_popescu: it's pretty good. they do integral poured concrete building here, everything's built like a fucking dam.
mircea_popescu: i think the net effect of half the entire thing burning to a crisp would be slightly warmer walls.
Vexual: you qou keep the requisite amount of climbing rope on hand?
mircea_popescu: im a floor above some shit that's a coupla floors above ground. i could just basically walk out the window if needed.
nubbins`: not sure if i mentioned this earlier, but i sold the rights to use one of my prints for a cassette cover today
nubbins`: to this kid named johnny cowabunga :0
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lotta dough ?
nubbins`: sliding scale, i let the kid away with $50 ;D
nubbins`: and a free cassette
mircea_popescu: i'd have asked for the wife.
mircea_popescu: imagine, having banged cheri cowabunga
nubbins`: i can add it to my collection of tapes that i can't play
Vexual: my car plays tapes
mircea_popescu: s/car/cat
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: what do you drive?
mircea_popescu: i don't drive.
copumpkin: what are you driven in?
mircea_popescu: ideally a mercedes.
copumpkin: how do you get around?
nubbins`: he pays people to chauffeur him :0
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: also, i walk.
nubbins`: anything less than an hour is automatic walk for me
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i'm about 200 yards from the natl theatre, right behind the courthouse, half mile from the presidency and about a mile from the congress.
mircea_popescu: o and half a mile from the city congress
mircea_popescu: my lawyer's half a mile that way, the best sushi in town is a quarter mile this way, on it goes. longest walk i ever have to take is to get to the jooz quarter.
mircea_popescu: mthreat i've yet to try teh mass transit here
Vexual: popescuist!
mircea_popescu: but the cab service is really really good.
mthreat: ya taxis are good and cheap
mircea_popescu: this place is what new york wishes it were.
Vexual: did you get any pirhana yet?
mircea_popescu: even the matzah ball's better.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: reminds me of being in boston
copumpkin: I used to walk everywhere
copumpkin: not even public transport
Vexual: hows the spanish progressing mircea?
mircea_popescu: try getting dumplings without fucking margerine in new york, it's nigh on impossible. fucktards.
TheNewDeal: walking is kind of like public transport
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal why, do you normally carry people ?
TheNewDeal: for a small fee
Vexual: id want a few glasses of pino gris before i drove that, so that i might imagine where the road is
TheNewDeal: quiz question: what is the financial incentive in copying someone else's odds on bitbet, but at a fraction of their bet? re: http://bitbet.us/bet/1000/republicans-win-majority-of-the-u-s-senate/
assbot: BitBet - Republicans win majority of the U.S. Senate :: 0.77 B (64%) on Yes, 0.43 B (36%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 99`870 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: you're banking on them getting the odds correct?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal this was discussed earlier, re financial products. what the fuck is the buzzword, i forget
mircea_popescu: someone or the other had introduced this option to "copy" other trader's strategy
TheNewDeal: !s lawgs
TheNewDeal: so what you're telling me is, it's in the lawgs https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z ?
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal mkay lemme see here
TheNewDeal: love reading that every time
mircea_popescu: a ok found it.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: First pass at a 20 post care package: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aakdQD9P
gabriel_laddel: Regarding sexbots, I'm surprised that no one has brought the custom maid 3d integration with oculus rift.
assbot: NeoGAF - View Single Post - Penis-Powered Game Gets Oculus Rift Support (Post #309 hands-on review)
assbot: Zozzerie con L'OCULUS RIFT - YouTube
assbot: VR TENGA DEMO (2): Oculus RiftNovint FalconTENGA on Vimeo
mircea_popescu: "The Last Psychaiarist" << that's not spelled thusly.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well i suspect we're really very noobish masturbators.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00080758 = 6.1376 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony mebbe you should hire THIS guy to do those summaries.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00081098 = 7.5827 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: after reading, still not sure on what the consensus was? Really doesn't matter, because you don't know what future bets will be?
mircea_popescu: really does not matter, because while it saves on the direct question (what to bet) it creates the meta question (whom to copy).
mircea_popescu: these being equally hard... nothing has changed.
copumpkin: so much for that MPOE selloff I was expecting
asciilifeform: Vexual: wtf are you building << cardanos.
asciilifeform: what'd ya think? tanks? rockets?
Vexual: no ots cemeras is fine
TheNewDeal: chimeras!?!
asciilifeform: chimeras, we build later.
mircea_popescu recommends fucking chimeras. it's fucking weird in a good way.
mircea_popescu: "While from innate cowardice the upper classes turn away from a man whom the Jew attacks with lies and slander, the broad masses from stupidity or simplicity believe everything. The state authorities either cloak themselves in silence or, what usually happens, in order to put an end to the Jewish press campaign, they persecute the unjustly attacked, which, in the eyes of such an official ass, passes as the preservation
mircea_popescu: of state authority and the safeguarding of law and order."
mircea_popescu: let's play "guess the author"
asciilifeform: herr schicklegruber
TheNewDeal: adolph
TheNewDeal: -ph +f
mircea_popescu: ahjahaha adolph herr schicklegruber
mircea_popescu: that's it, best name ever.
Vexual: the red nosed fcist
asciilifeform: ;;google alois schicklgruber
gribble: Alois Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler>; Ancestry of Adolf Hitler - 20th Century History - About.com: <http://history1900s.about.com/od/hitleradolf/a/hitlerancestry.htm>; Alois Hitler, father to Adolf - History in an HourHistory in an Hour: <http://www.historyinanhour.com/2012/01/03/alois-hitler-hitlers-father/>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a srsly ? i had no idea.
asciilifeform: btw 'table talk' is the 'fun hitler.'
asciilifeform: mk is a snore.
mircea_popescu: i find it very amusing, this tendency of the simpleton to personalise. first, the gods are guys (and some gals), because why the fuck not. then, Nature, has a will. finally, the pernicious working of the democratic/populist press become "jewish".
mircea_popescu: i'd rather blame von bismarck tbh.
mircea_popescu: it's not the jew's fault that old otto wanted functionaries and officers and so started schooling the peasantry, whether the peasantry wanted any schooling or not.
Vexual: shalom
Vexual: salaam
asciilifeform: 'Nowadays humanity depends basically on the whale for its nourishment with fats. I gather that the number of whales in the seas of the world tends rather to fall than to increase. The East will supply us with the vegetable fats that will replace whale-oil.'
asciilifeform: true genius!
asciilifeform: amazing! observation.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: well... wrong in all particular points tho. it was chiefly tallow all through history, not whale fat.
assbot: Full text of "Hitlers Table Talk"
mircea_popescu: and it was the west (specifically, the french, that made margerine. and linoleum)
asciilifeform: wrong in all particular points << carefully picked for this
asciilifeform: 'The water-cooled engine will have to disappear completely.'
asciilifeform: 'Instead of obtaining petrol from coal by a complicated process, it's preferable to compel certain categories of users to employ vehicles equipped with gas-generators.' << incidentally this was what 'gasenwagen' originally meant.
asciilifeform: they're still on the roads, i'm told, in pissholes like finland.
mircea_popescu: all over europe. most cabs burn gpl.
asciilifeform: no, no. not liquified gasses. coal gas.
mircea_popescu: the difference is nigligible.
mircea_popescu: whale gas.
asciilifeform: that one. CO.
asciilifeform: ^ yes, it's a stove.
Vexual: thats a mobile sauna
asciilifeform: the 'other sauna.'
Vexual: rba boss says real economy needs "animal spirits"
Vexual: no dollar policy?
TheNewDeal: animal spirits sounds tasty
Vexual: growth expected
Vexual: aka wait and see
Vexual: meahwhile...
TheNewDeal: what does the line indicate on the bitbet.us histograph?
TheNewDeal: I'm quite fairly sure I understand the greenish vs red colors. But there's also a, perhaps, darker green line as well.
mircea_popescu: total volume
TheNewDeal: ahhhh
mircea_popescu: it being monotonous is kind of a giveaway
TheNewDeal: what do you mean?
mircea_popescu: notice how it always goes up ?
TheNewDeal: well I never really noticed it before
mircea_popescu: bitbet. giving the bitcoin population the sort of graphs it wants to see. since 2012.
TheNewDeal: not so mach
TheNewDeal: I want to see a game of life style graph
TheNewDeal: war of life *
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00081098 = 3.7711 BTC [+]
assbot: The Most Expensive Bitcoin Painting Ever Sold - American Hard Assets
jurov: BLOCKCHAIN JESUS
fluffypony: holy shit, Bitcoin Judas is Mark Karpeles - LOL!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13670 @ 0.00080961 = 11.0674 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: what just happened
xmj: what?
fluffypony: netsplit?
xmj: What's the best way of trust brokering you've found so far? instilling trust between two parties that do not yet now each other directly.)
fluffypony: depends
fluffypony: if it's transactional, then a series of progressively larger escrowed deals establish historicity
fluffypony: from which trust can be derived
xmj: that works well in an iterative context
xmj: how do you instill trust -right from the start- ?
cazalla: anyone want to buy 10k atc?
xmj: fluffypony: suppose i know you and cazalla but you don't know each other
xmj: fluffypony: suppose ive had a good history of business deals with each of you
fluffypony: well that's what the WoT is for
xmj: fluffypony: how do i leverage that into getting you two to trust each other?
fluffypony: cazalla wants to sell 10k ATC
fluffypony: I've never dealt with cazalla
fluffypony: you trust cazalla , I trust you, I talk to you about your trust relationship with cazalla
xmj: WoT works well if you have any formal (eg software) framework for WoT'ing
xmj: how do you do that in more loose (ie social) networks?
cazalla: ;;sell 10000 ATC at 0.00000220 BTC 0.00000220 or better send PM
gribble: Order id 21124 created.
xmj: hmhm
fluffypony: tough one
xmj: i'll figure something out
xmj: it's my longterm (>5 years) plan, i have time.
fluffypony: a WoT Facebook plugin :-P
xmj: WoT as a Service.
xmj: Cloud WoT
xmj: Cloud of Trust.
xmj: bingo.
pankkake: that's what linkedin is supposed to be, too
fluffypony: I'm down with that
xmj: did you just buy the .com domain?
xmj: no, my order went through.
xmj: cloudoftrust.{com,org}
xmj: there was a lot of drinking involved yesterday.
xmj coughs
fluffypony: I wore my DM Baar t-shirt yesterday
xmj: awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3000 @ 0.00278558 = 8.3567 BTC [-] {22}
xmj: i've resolved to running game on -everyone-
xmj: it does seem like in non-formal contexts iterative interaction history is the common way
xmj: there has to be a better deal.
chetty: xmj: it does seem like in non-formal contexts iterative interaction history is the common way xmj: there has to be a better deal// seriously trust is pretty much a function that can not be delegated
xmj: i bet it can
chetty: perhaps I should have said, shouldn't be. people do manage all sorts of stupids
xmj: delegation isn't the part that interests me
pankkake: a good example would be those btc lending sites
xmj: proxying and facilitating.
pankkake: which use social for verification or something
chetty: thing is blind trust gets folks in trouble all the time, how many people thought Gox was ok because everybody is using it?
chetty: (btw this is a discussion worth having imo, just in case there is a solution)
xmj: Science to the rescue.
xmj: Lucky for me there's a whole subfield of Game theory.
assbot: The Human Face of Game Theory: Trust and Reciprocity in Sequential Games by Catherine C. Eckel, Rick K. Wilson :: SSRN
assbot: How to identify trust and reciprocity
assbot: Trust in Large Organizations
punkman: xmj: WoT works well if you have any formal (eg software) framework for WoT'ing <- no that's exactly when WoT can fail catastrophically
punkman: trust is fuzzy
xmj: sure
punkman: and you can't magically make it appear out of thin air
xmj: you should.
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punkman: because you like the idea?
cazalla: well if it isn't the merchant meme teasing redditor Pierre_Rochard
Pierre_Rochard: Morning cazalla. We get complaints about that one every time it shows up
xmj: punkman: mostly because i work that way
xmj: A tells me they trust B, which makes me trust B through A's proxying (conditional on my estimation of A)
punkman: that doesn't create trust where there is none
xmj: we're not talking about that situation anyway?
punkman: sounded like that to me
xmj: A <trust> B <trust> C. how does B leverage his bonds between B<>A and B<>C to make A <trust> C appear/
punkman: if you have an indirect connection you talk to that guy first of course
xmj: ?
xmj: sure, that's from the perspective of A. think of it from B's perspective!
pankkake: "You seem to be unaware that CoinLenders and Inputs are independent. They've always quite clearly stated that there are no warranties of any kind for coins stored there, as such I do not owe you your claimed amount"
fluffypony: if this was twitter I'd hashtag that with #delusional
punkman: xmj, I suppose that's when B acts as escrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00081126 = 7.9503 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: he could escrow a fidelity bond
xmj: interesting
xmj: i did not know escrow was the term i was looking for
chetty: I trust MP, if MP says he trusts B, should I trust B or should I do my own homework?
punkman: chetty, the answer is both, but if the trust connections are good enough, you could skip the due dilligence
chetty: exactly, and the crux is the 'good enough', a judgment call
punkman: I'd rephrase that, WoT is an avenue where you do due dilligence. You trust MP enough, you can stop your search after getting the "go-ahead" from MP
punkman: or you can keep going, look in other WoTs, public records, etc
fluffypony: chetty: yeah, it depends on the type of transaction as well
fluffypony: like if the person wants to trade 0.1 BTC I'd risk it based on the mutual connection
punkman: if the due diligence doesn't get you anywhere, then you still have other tools. The fidelity bond is a good one, insurance another... any other good examples?
chetty: fluffypony, a lot of trust is built like that, in small steps
punkman: this is quite common: if C trusts the B->A connection, but A doesn't trust B->C, then C will often "send first" as to eliminate risk for A at his expense.
xmj: so
xmj: it seems to turn out that the way to skip the homework is solved
xmj: within the trust game you just need to deposit enough money with the trust escrow to make the other party likely of investing. you'll obtain efficient outcomes.
fluffypony: oh man
fluffypony: this is awesome
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chetty: of course thats one way con games work too, suck people in for a while with small 'investments'
xmj: aaaand
xmj: i've just found my calling.
xmj: tadatadaaaaaaa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00081221 = 11.5334 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0008136 = 11.3497 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7410 @ 0.0008127 = 6.0221 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> someone or the other had introduced this option to "copy" other trader's strategy /// PAMM
thickasthieves: <+jurov> BLOCKCHAIN JESUS /// that's one sorry painting...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.1634 = 1.634 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00081406 = 5.6577 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.16148499 = 16.1485 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.16 = 0.64 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.merchantwarrior.com/ << derpforum has created... AN OLD STYLE PAYMENT GATEWAY!!11
assbot: Merchant Warrior - Online Payment Gateway to Accept Credit Card & Check Payments
mircea_popescu: be excited!!11
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: not just because all the humanoid figurines seem to be really the same alien,
mircea_popescu: but mostly because the fundamental problem the "painter" has with his craft manifests not only in the "people" giving the wrong vibe, but the whole scene having the wrong atmosphere. that room looks to me like an apartment building in the poor section of petrograd having an amphetamine fueled dream about itself.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: final version
nubbins`: mp that reminds me of something you'd see painted on a wall in belfast
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Giampietrino-Last-Supper-ca-1520.jpg << compare to the sweet, sweet sweetness of giampetrino's original, or with the raphael they were both trying to copy : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Sanzio_01.jpg
mircea_popescu: (and yes the raphael is unsurpassed, mostly because the christian church stands with learned antiquity roughly in the position american contemporaneity stands with the learned europe of last century. a cheap, affordable copy that misses all the details which made it worth the while)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` imo the o's touching is bad, but what do i know.
nubbins`: largest version i can find online
chetty: mircea_popescu, a cheap, affordable copy that misses all the details which made it worth the while//I thought that was modern china
mircea_popescu: chetty that's an even cheaper copy of the cheap copy.
nubbins`: this is set in an old newfoundland stagehouse, there's cod drying in the rafters and all kinds of old newfy stuff everywhere
mircea_popescu: this progress thing's really working, no wonder the earth is warming.
mircea_popescu: the thing's not global in any sense tho. it's just the cheeks that are getting hot.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu honestly i was worried it'd look like "NOO" instead of "ZOO" if i separated the Os
mircea_popescu: nubbins` soo ?
nubbins`: album's called ZOO ;(
nubbins`: anyway, you can't really make it out, but pascale's dad is second from the right in that painting
mircea_popescu: nubbins` coulda made a very flat Z
mircea_popescu: to match
nubbins`: which i believe makes him thaddeus?
mircea_popescu: nice beard
nubbins`: indeed so
nubbins`: he did the stations of the cross in a rural newfoundland kind of style too
nubbins`: really strange stuff
nubbins`: guy with the hammer is wearing rubber boots
mircea_popescu: cazalla: anyone want to buy 10k atc? << yes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 750 @ 0.0027597 = 2.0698 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: chetty: perhaps I should have said, shouldn't be. people do manage all sorts of stupids << dun worry about it. the fuckwit has found the perfect palliative to learning how things that work work, and the submission and ego wound implicit in such learning : he's going to CREATE something that's BETTER.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1166 @ 0.00273862 = 3.1932 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: because being 15 is so very fresh, original and unpredictable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 360 @ 0.00270232 = 0.9728 BTC [-] {4}
thickasthieves: "A pine tree planted in 2004 in a Los Angeles park in memory of former Beatle George Harrison has died after being infested by beetles."
mircea_popescu: well... it did outlive the beatles' popularity...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 194 @ 0.00270006 = 0.5238 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: Morning cazalla. We get complaints about that one every time it shows up << what's this all aboot ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, price and address?
chetty: A U.S. appeals court has struck down subsidies for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act in states that use federal marketplaces to buy coverage.
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo's my atc broker we'll need him to be here for both. do you mind ?
mircea_popescu: chetty wait, what trachery is this ? first govt cuts a deal with states then federal courts get it off the hook for its part of the deal ?
cazalla: sure np, 1:30am here though, i'll be back in the morning
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: if this was twitter I'd hashtag that with #delusional << is the tradefortress character pulling a goat ?
fluffypony: he's pulling a TradeFortress
mircea_popescu: this business where one scams a buvncha people, lays low for half a year-ish etc was patented by goat. he did it like 3-4 times to date.
mircea_popescu: course many twerps tried since, kenna, klye, you name it.
pankkake: TF isn't claiming he's a Trusted Member yet, otherwise it's textbook goat
mircea_popescu: punkman: I'd rephrase that, WoT is an avenue where you do due dilligence. You trust MP enough, you can stop your search after getting the "go-ahead" from MP << for that matter mp can even say something like "o, forget it, if he's gypping you for 1.3 BTC I"M paying for it."
mircea_popescu: the breadth & width of deals and representations available is endless.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: redditors and buttcoiners get offended by the last image on this article http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/im-hoarding-bitcoins-and-no-you-cant-have-any/
assbot: I'm Hoarding Bitcoins, and No You Can't Have Any | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
pankkake: eh, that's was on my mind. there are some people (they're not in the wot though) I would gladly cover for
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's actually an economically positive activity : you know and can evaluate the risk, so you're risking say 1% of 1.3 btc, or 1 bitcent.
mircea_popescu: the op however i GAINING a lot more from this than the cost to you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.00258108 = 2.0649 BTC [-] {22}
pankkake: they want to get offended, no matter what you do, they'll be offended
mircea_popescu: so it's one of those rare cases of money being made out of thin air.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard lol okay.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: it’s a glorious portrait of our dear leader bitstein, but dats racist
mircea_popescu: i love how buttcoiner is by now ambiguous. does it denote bitcoiners identified by one of that small group of vitriolic naysayers born out of me trolling SA, or does it denote one of that very group ?
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard omfg is your institute run by jooz ?!
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: yes, it’s a deep cover psyop run by the rothschilds and queen of england
mircea_popescu: omfg the queen is jewish ?!
BingoBoingo: Is this the pankkake approved TF drama? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=702654.0
assbot: What should I do? TradeFortress
mircea_popescu: worst circumcision job ever -> queen of england.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what we paying on atc ?
pankkake: yes, she's one of us
pankkake: I mean, of them
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He was asking 220, so I passed on it
mircea_popescu: well yes but what ~are~ we paying on it
BingoBoingo: Right now our highest bid is 210
pankkake: BingoBoingo: yes that's my source
mircea_popescu: cazalla see, take 200, be happy.
cazalla: well you can counter offer, don't be timid
bitstein: I really don't appreciate how the Reddit community is judging me by the size of my nose, the length of my beard, and the wringing of my hands.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i'll do 210
thickasthieves: bitstein have you considered plastic surgery and behavioral therapy?
pankkake: it's just bad faith, the article is praising hoarding which is the jew stereotype; the image is a popular meme; it's an obvious joke and anyone claiming to be offended is lying
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00081432 = 1.0586 BTC [+]
pankkake: that's why there is no reason to cater to that
thickasthieves: it's like the black lady nigger story
mircea_popescu: bitstein do you have a good cackle ?
thickasthieves: ;;google trilema nigger
gribble: The nigger homeowners and other niggers pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-nigger-homeowners-and-other-niggers/>; The nigger, a practical exercise. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/>; Fried chicken pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/>
mircea_popescu: pankkake they don't have to be lying. they could just be stupid. or you know, trained into superficial stupidity by a website dedicated to doing exactly that
BingoBoingo: cazalla: 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E post or pm address
thickasthieves: ;;google trilema rhonda nigger
gribble: The nigger, a practical exercise. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/>; Fried chicken pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/>
assbot: Le happy merchant has a blast - YouTube
pankkake: they're lying, either to the world or to themselves
pankkake: !search nigger
mircea_popescu: well actually, since i got all the internet jews collected here, prepare to BURN!!!
thickasthieves: there it is, the chicken one
mircea_popescu: alternatively, read this http://trilema.com/2014/shut-up-and-sit-down/ an' tell me what yu think
assbot: Shut up and sit down. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bitstein: mircea_popsecu Only when I can get interest rates just high enough
mircea_popescu: who else's a joo, benkay, bitcoinpete ?
princessnell: all of my faves
pankkake: davout?
cazalla: i'm 3% according to 23andme.com but it's cancelled out by 3% african i figure
benkay: we p great
benkay: morning, princessnell
mircea_popescu: nah, jews can't have big cocks
mircea_popescu: and a horse in my wot told me it's seen davout's.
bitstein: thickasthieves - thinking of nose jobs got me listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yDarQW7UZc
assbot: Frank Zappa- Jewish Princess - YouTube
davout: pankkake: you rubbed the lamp?
thickasthieves: my ancient ancestors were jews i think, then they changed their names food and went to the azores or sumth
princessnell: this is true. but they are still fun.
princessnell: hiya benkay
thickasthieves: to food*
pankkake: davout: we're looking for jews
fluffypony: are we going to throw the Jew down the well?
pankkake: 23andme tells you how jew you are? that's awesome
davout: pankkake: i'm only jew during business hours sorry
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves given that by now your ancestry has covered half the world, i
benkay: no one expects the bitcoin inquisition
mircea_popescu: d be very worried if you ever have daughters.
princessnell: i'm 0.1% of the tribe
princessnell: and 3.1% neanderthal master race
pankkake: I know I have a jewish antisemite ancestor, but I don't know how much jew is left
cazalla: 3.4% here
mircea_popescu: pankkake you used the jew up ?
davout: cazalla: hah you did the 23andme thing
davout: i got 25% ashkenazi
thickasthieves: need some rejewvenation
cazalla: i'm 3% ashkenazi
fluffypony: my favourite jews are orange jews
fluffypony: although mango juice isn't bad
fluffypony: or a pineapple / banana jews blend
bitstein: princessnell is actually a conglomeration of 14000 people
mircea_popescu: god i love frank zappa
fluffypony: bitstein: has she passed the Turing test?
mircea_popescu: princessnell> this is true. but they are still fun. << wait, wut ? you dare speak of like your sexual experience ? as a woman among men ? on the interwebs ?
mircea_popescu: THE HERESIES THIS MORNING
princessnell: i don't pass turing tests, i conduct them
mircea_popescu: A horny little Jewish Princess With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma Lonely inside Well, she can swallow my pride
bitstein: la la la
benkay: me, i like the shiksas
princessnell: you don't say
mircea_popescu: and he even mentions romanian thighs. which, yes... romanian chicks have the best thighs.
mircea_popescu: just thick enough.
benkay: "how do they go, after the show..."
benkay: "all the way, that's the way they gooooo"
benkay: "all the way, and none of their mothers ever see-em to know"
mircea_popescu: dat trolling
benkay: ("with leather?")
benkay: joe's garage man.
benkay: princessnell: it's a setup for another zappa reference.
benkay: fond of japs too
mircea_popescu: i think maybe zappa could be a bitcoin saint.
mircea_popescu: sits to the right of the father and advises on policy matters.
thickasthieves: me: "Learn how Bitcoin (mining difficulty) works before speaking about it."
benkay: satoshi is ancient aliens and the first saint is zappa?
thickasthieves: pando: @Bitcoin_Assets "If you're going to make a statement like that, you really should back it up by pointing out what I said wrong. Mining difficulty? Anyone with a PC can mine bitcoin. The amount that can be created per CPU cycle is arbitrarily set by an algorithm (sounds like fiat), and not the state, but it still has no intrinsic value, just like dollars. The value it fetches
thickasthieves: on the open market is irrelevant, as all currencies (evne a fiat currency) are subject to the market's whims."
thickasthieves: you'd think the tech news rag would have a lcue
mircea_popescu: i r nao decode fluffypony's hermetic speech. orange jews are what, manhattanites, because they overtan. and banana jews are jews pretending to be azn to get into stanford. pineapple jews however i dunno!
thickasthieves: pineapple jooz are the ones with big dix
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves grats, talking to pando nao.
fluffypony: I was just quoting my wife, ze Germans can't say "juice" :-P
thickasthieves: so giz tatstes better
mircea_popescu: fluffypony btw, ever put her in tall campaign boots and with a cute little uniform ?
mircea_popescu: schnell! schnell!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00081616 = 6.6109 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: soo... i just found a wallet i had forgotten all about. like 20 btcv and change in there.
mircea_popescu: THIS IS THE LIFE OF JEW!
mircea_popescu: think : most people will live their entire lives without ever having such a fat wallet
mircea_popescu: as this thing i forgot about.
mircea_popescu: it is good to be the joo.
thickasthieves: !s mircea_popescu couch cushions
assbot: 2 results for 'mircea_popescu couch cushions' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu+couch+cushions
mircea_popescu: ono DONT TAKE IT
mircea_popescu: ALL MINE
mircea_popescu: punkman: this is quite common: if C trusts the B->A connection, but A doesn't trust B->C, then C will often "send first" as to eliminate risk for A at his expense. << https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359006.msg4858300#msg4858300 that concept illustrated.
assbot: (NEW WORKS) portraits, commissions, and original paintings by Maureen Gubia
fluffypony: donate it to Andreas Antonopoulus
fluffypony: he's going to need it
mircea_popescu: o look at that! i've comisioned paintings that cost like 20% of the "most expensive bitcoin painting ever made". har har.
mircea_popescu: at least mine don't look like shit.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what for ?
fluffypony: the coming revolution where he's left behind
thickasthieves: "Do you think that smart contracts won't work or that they won't be used? Could you recommend any research that supports your views?"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4 <<< ahahaah definitely.
assbot: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Mission Statement - YouTube
mircea_popescu: especially the "hands draw as we sing" expansion of stephen fry's "text appears" trick
mircea_popescu: that thing was cool, but SO FUCKING OVERPLAYED omg
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves "would you mind talking to us in our terms so as to validate our self-perceived importance ty"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81053432 BTC to 12`483 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
thickasthieves: First you ignore them, then you laugh at them, then they call you mean, then you win
mircea_popescu: well dunno about win, but you definitely score
mircea_popescu: with their wife.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.24933044 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1413 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: so today is the sad day i have to sign paperwork for all the llcs and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: and the people here actually do signing, like fucking romanians.
mircea_popescu: my hand will fall off ;/
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu get a stamp
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i might have to.
mircea_popescu: i mean everyone gets as a kid this urge to write their name on things,
mircea_popescu: but i tell you by the time you're a decade or so in business that itch's well scratched.
assbot: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes - YouTube
fluffypony: yeah that's my favourite of his new songs so far
fluffypony: although the music video for Tacky is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: guy's like the madonna of b music
fluffypony: this is his last album under contract
fluffypony: so hopefully the stuff he releases after this will be indie and not with a record company
thickasthieves: NFLX down 5% today :) glad I hung in there
thickasthieves: short covered
mircea_popescu: fluffypony why ?
mircea_popescu: he is the exact central case that benefits from a rec corp.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves wd.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> bitbet. giving the bitcoin population the sort of graphs it wants to see. since 2012. // i want a shirt that has a bunch of zig-zaggy up-and-to-the-right arrows patterned across it
mircea_popescu: benkay so why you tellin me about it ? nubsy's the local master of bad drawings and well printed shirts.
benkay: nubbins` prints across the whole bolt and then makes shirts? nooz to me...
nubbins`: we don't sew, but i suppose an all-over print isn't out of the question
mircea_popescu: well, if anyone does he'd know aboot it.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> we don't sew << i thought you were married
nubbins`: i thought it was tuesday
mircea_popescu: if it were tuesday it'd have been belgium.
mircea_popescu: it ain't belgium now is it ?
chetty: you sure?
nubbins`: i'm not even sure this is the right bus
mircea_popescu: this is progressing nicely. !jewlaugh
thickasthieves: I'm gonna visit Seattle and Portland, in case anyone has any recommendations/warnings for things
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves walk with your back against the wall in seattle. nuff said.
benkay: thickasthieves: beers?
thickasthieves: i like some IPA, witbier, belgian, stout
mircea_popescu: Transcript for 21-07-2014, 666 lines << o.O
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 299 @ 0.00250534 = 0.7491 BTC [-] {11}
thickasthieves: local newspaper: "the specs are 10.625” w x 10’ t."
thickasthieves: 10feet, width by tall
nubbins`: hahahah
nubbins`: width by tallth
mircea_popescu: you know upon reflection, the ' " convention has to be the most stupid thing ever invented. on top of the inch/feet thing in the first place, obviously.
mircea_popescu: imagine all the bills of goods that had either a small smidgeon added or removed by accident
mircea_popescu: resulting in various disproportionate items delivered to unsuspecting merchants.
mircea_popescu: I SAID MY PENIS STATUE SHOULD BE 12 inches not 12 feet!!1
nubbins`: hardly a statue
mircea_popescu: hard hard hard.
pankkake: I never know which it which. maybe " is feet because it's bigger?
pankkake: no, it's not. of course it's not
FabianB: use the metric system, [√] fixed
thickasthieves: itd be funny if this was a major reason why US is bad at math, fukt measurements
thickasthieves: 12 inches is a foot? 3' a yard? wtf is going on here?
chetty: math is easier with metric but if you grew up using feet and inches its hard to visualize amounts
benkay: sheeeit, sinfest.
benkay: that's still going?
thickasthieves: never heard of it til now, but looks like yes
assbot: Undocumented iOS functions allow monitoring of personal data, expert says | Ars Technica
benkay: the hit counter is back http://www.addthis.com/
assbot: AddThis - Get likes, get shares, get followers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1611 @ 0.00081596 = 1.3145 BTC [-]
benkay: expert system, i lol'd
cgcardona_: hello #bitcoin-assets o/
jurov: hi cgcardona_
mthreat: hola
cgcardona_: o/
cgcardona_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 621.43, Best ask: 623.88, Bid-ask spread: 2.45000, Last trade: 624.4, 24 hour volume: 3366.37636030, 24 hour low: 617.18, 24 hour high: 624.99, 24 hour vwap: 622.530252055
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 529 @ 0.00250792 = 1.3267 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00081596 = 5.7933 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.01379995 = 0.621 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.0139999 = 0.756 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 66 @ 0.01437877 = 0.949 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 336 @ 0.00263689 = 0.886 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 506 @ 0.00263864 = 1.3352 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Well find a new earth within 20 years | Around the World with Ken Ham
assbot: Exodus Intelligence Details Zero-Day Vulnerabilities In Tails OS - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03
BingoBoingo: Hey Mats_cd03
assbot: Wheels of Fortune - The New Yorker
Mats_cd03: http://weis2007.econinfosec.org/papers/29.pdf re: market for 0days. notably, all of the problems enscribed are basically resolvable through GPG and the WoT.
nubbins`: yup.
nubbins`: SR did this right, at least
nubbins`: i guess the current system works well enough for the vendors, otherwise you'd see this
Mats_cd03: hue hue hue
assbot: Talk on cracking Internet anonymity service Tor withdrawn from conference| Reuters
Mats_cd03: thx DoD
Mats_cd03: today, i learned Windows will never use the first mb of physical memory for anything, because buggy firmware corrupts it so often
Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.
thickasthieves: local redneck on facebook: "I am offering free bungee jumping to all Muslims - no strings attached."
chetty: thickasthieves, uhoh now I have a coffeed keyboard
assbot: FAA temporarily halts all US flights to Israel | The Verge
thickasthieves: that's one way to get people outta your airspace for a while
BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03
Mats_cd03: aw ur da best
BingoBoingo: ;;laser Mats_cd03
gribble: Error: "laser" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
BingoBoingo: ;;laser kittens
gribble: Error: "laser" is not a valid command.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 237 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 59k High: 211 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
assbot: 404 Not Found
Mats_cd03: ...wat
benkay: ah neat, Mats_cd03
benkay: hue
assbot: iOS_Backdoors_Attack_Points_Surveillance_Mechanisms.pdf (PDFy mirror) : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Mats_cd03: hue hue hue hue hue hue hue
Mats_cd03: man, The Rootkit Arsenal is really good
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: nice little book, at least concerning the basics.
Mats_cd03: i'm basic.
thickasthieves: Florida Power and Light powers the state using mostly natural gas. Out of all the energy FPL provides, only 0.06 percent comes from solar energy.
thickasthieves: “We’re not doing as bad as people think we are,” says Martinez. “But I think we’ll have an opportunity to advance as the price continues to come down.”
thickasthieves: “I think in the state of Florida our challenge is the amount of rainfall and the amount of cloud coverage we have,” says Martinez. “Obviously Florida has good potential. It’s not great potential.”
thickasthieves: sunshine state aint sunny enough
Mats_cd03: i don't know anything about physics or solar panels. is there some kind of limited power generation even under cloud cover? UV is what made me consider this
thickasthieves: the thing is FL clouds are quite temporary
assbot: Ed Sheeran - Don't [Official Audio] - YouTube
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: I think clouds are temporary except up in Benkay land
thickasthieves: yeah i only learned recently that I get more rain than seattle
thickasthieves: which is disappointing cuz i like rain and I am unsatisfied
mike_c: that is a common and misleading yardstick
mike_c: because it generally means inches of rain, not days of rain
mike_c: and seattle just drizzles at you every day of the year.
assbot: Ed Sheeran - Don't [Official Audio] - YouTube
thickasthieves: Mats_cd03, got Vexualvirus?
assbot: Schoolboy Q - The Purge / Rapfix Cypher (20syl Remix) - YouTube
benkay: thickasthieves, BingoBoingo: best solar is soy oil
BingoBoingo: Hey @Medium @marklotto @davidkushner, I have some corrections for your article. https://medium.com/matter/the-martyrdom-of-weev-9e72da8a133d …
assbot: How We All Got Trolled Matter Medium
thickasthieves: "The federal judge that presided over my case is not an African-American. She is a nigger."
thickasthieves: "Dude, they called you elfin, when you are very clearly a satyr." lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00081327 = 5.7742 BTC [-]
assbot: Debunking Kipochi, Mpesa & Bitcoin in East Africa - CoinBrief
BingoBoingo: !up princessnell
BingoBoingo: !up Guest60346
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: fucking idiots
thickasthieves: <+mike_c> and seattle just drizzles at you every day of the year. /// so i will fly there and settle this once and for all!
mike_c: now is actually the time to go. it actually only rains nine months a year. summers are beautiful.
thickasthieves: well shit itll be a month before i go, but i want teh rainz
thickasthieves: my wife wants to look at trees n stuff though, so i guess good weather is for the best
mike_c: well, the only rainforest in america is right there, so you could both have your wish
danielpbarron got banned from #bitcoin again; gmaxwell is a dick.
thickasthieves: good log?
assbot: The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Hate Frameworks
danielpbarron: thickasthieves, meh sorta; I linked to the log in my rating for him
jurov: <gmaxwell> danielpbarron: owner of mpex is unsafe to do business with, he does things like put surprising terms in the fine print of his contracts and then gloats about how you deserved to get ripped off and what a moron you are when you get caught out.
jurov: last sentence before kick
mike_c: hm. "suprising" to whom?
BingoBoingo: Mircea generally writes on the interwebs so you can always zoom his text to any size you like
danielpbarron: good thing the devs have their chat rooms to lord over; they don't really control much of anything else
BingoBoingo: ;;rate danielpbarron Religious thinker, Meat dealer
gribble: Error: 'Religious' is not a valid integer.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate danielpbarron 3 Religious thinker, Meat dealer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 2 to 3.
danielpbarron: wow a 3; i feel special now
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, you rate people well and did indeed deliver ~20 million meat
danielpbarron: the -otc crowd says I don't know how to rate
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, that's why the most important part of reading a WoT is asking a rater about their ratings
BingoBoingo: Bitcore, BitPay’s open-source javascript bitcoin library, now uses Fedor Indutny‘s highly optimized cryptography in the browser, which leads to significant speed improvements and an improved user experience for applications built with Bitcore. << Shit's prolly being optimized out
assbot: Bitcore 3000 is Three Times Faster for Bitcoin on the Web | The BitPay Blog
jurov: lose yer coins 3x faster!!!
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> 12 inches is a foot? 3' a yard? wtf is going on here?
mircea_popescu: ^ my fav exercise is, "calculate the pound weight of a cubic mile of water"
mircea_popescu: (a cubic km of water weighs 1trn kgs, of course)
assbot: Well find a new earth within 20 years | Around the World with Ken Ham
danielpbarron: ken ham is a false teacher that leads many to hell
mircea_popescu: A Black Hat spokeswoman told Reuters that the talk had been canceled at the request of lawyers for Carnegie-Mellon University, where the speakers work as researchers. <<< this is why scientists of today are in no sense the scientists of 1914, and even less the scientists of 1814.
mircea_popescu: the notion that the current crop has any sort of moral or ethical weight is quite perilous.
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> http://i.imgur.com/OJChRcu.gif << whoa that shit's cool!
thickasthieves: must be some kinda camera mount
mircea_popescu: ;;rated gmaxwell
gribble: You rated user gmaxwell on Sun Apr 8 12:54:19 2012, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: hypocritical idiot..
mircea_popescu: wow, i was right two years ago.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what specific gloating is this in reference to ?
mircea_popescu: tell wikipedia boi i said citation needed.
mircea_popescu: i gloat over fat fucks being predictably stupid, not over the deck being stacked against them.
thickasthieves: "Another benefit to Tacocoin is its active community. Tacocoin was started on reddit, with the sole intent of having fun. The coin has no premine, and steady growth, because our community values trust and fun, not getting rich quick."
mircea_popescu: if it were about eating cunt i could see the angle.
assbot: Britain just decriminalised online game piracy | VG247
mircea_popescu: but this entire "doge got killed for beign stupid so we're going to do it once again because we really are that dumb" thing...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well in that article space isn't important, because aliens go to hell
mircea_popescu: "Starting in 2015, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken." doh.
thickasthieves: alrighty
thickasthieves: do they even go after people in US anymore?
thickasthieves: there was that 5 strikes thing or whatever but i never heard of anyone losing their web access
mircea_popescu: bout the same yeah.
thickasthieves: "I am a fan of making volume obsolete as an indicator" ~bitcoin trader
mircea_popescu: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431 << as usual, joel gets it exactly right. this is why i hate - not frameworks - but java. and all the other hipster languages ran by children with delusions of skills and importance they don't actually have.
assbot: The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Hate Frameworks
mircea_popescu: wikipedia being a fine example.
asciilifeform: camera mount with beer glass << if you stayed awake in 'intro to differential equations,' -- you can build this.
mircea_popescu: the visual effect tho.
asciilifeform: carnegie mellon << 'Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfecti
asciilifeform: on and painted with meticulous care.' (mr mold)
BingoBoingo: Lol ethereum is selling their own altcoin nao, https://www.ethereum.org/
assbot: ethereum
BingoBoingo: "People interested in acquiring ether to build and distribute decentralized applications, or to pay for their usage, are able to do so in the Genesis Sale using bitcoin, thereby locking-in their supply at a known price. This sale will help us fund the continued development of the software platform, scheduled for release in the winter of 2014/2015." << Preorder on a BFL window. Thing could waterialize winter 2014 or winter 2015
thickasthieves: like anyone will give a shit by then
Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: my favorite part “This document is not a solicitation for investment and does not pertain in any way to an offering of securities in any jurisdiction.”
thickasthieves: because we say so!
Pierre_Rochard: wonder if they’ll respond like mircea_popescu did when the SEC comes knocking…
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Even though by simply the way things are they seems to like BFL be actually selling equity rather than product.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hardly an argument pro carnegie melon, that.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard too many people want to appear mp without putting in the work to actually be mp, nor fronting the risk etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not an argument 'pro', merely statement of fact. accept funding from bureaucrats - then eat shit when they command. elementary.
thickasthieves: who actually wants these smart contracts anyway? i dont get who ethereum is providing for
mircea_popescu: how about not accept funding for bureaucrats because there's no funds in bureaucrat hands ?
mircea_popescu: then we can do science. and actual art.
mircea_popescu: and all the social media feminists can spend their time writing things on tits.
BingoBoingo: If ethereum manages to ship this winter I doubt it's market cap will survive at a size greater than ATC's through April next year
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to enter an etereum short lemme know.
thickasthieves: you're betting on ethereum?!
mircea_popescu: you can buy ethereum coins for half what they charge, deliverable jan 15th 2015.
mircea_popescu: i guess i can make a 3 month future too, if enough demand.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well atm during their pre-sale they price their coins off of a timer, with 1 BTC buying less coins as the timer increments. Haven't seen the details.
thickasthieves: itd at least be a fun way to piss them off and fuck up their ipo a bit
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sure.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fuck them, whatever they ask for is too much.
thickasthieves: lol why does their home page give away desktop backgrounds? wtf
thickasthieves: "Turing complete contracts on a blockchain."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. K sale ends in roughly 41-42 days, in just under two weeks their offering goes from 2000 per BTC to 1970 per BTC (fucking hippies)
mircea_popescu: you don't understand traffix, thickasthieves
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo where is this advertised ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Their home page.
mircea_popescu: how did this work again lessee
thickasthieves: "Ethereum Genesis Sale" they call it
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" for 1 BTC.
gribble: Error: 'for' is not a valid price input.
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" 1 BTC.
gribble: Order id 21133 created.
thickasthieves: "WARNING: DO NOT PURCHASE ETH IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT IN DEALING WITH
thickasthieves: CRYPTOGRAPHIC TOKENS AND BLOCKCHAIN-BASED SOFTWARE SYSTEMS"
BingoBoingo: Whole site is a js turd
mircea_popescu: ;;view 21133
gribble: #21133 Tue Jul 22 18:53:45 2014 mircea_popescu SELL 5000.0 ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014 @ 1 BTC. (None)
thickasthieves: my soul hurts now
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" 1 BTC "Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch."
gribble: Order id 21134 created.
mircea_popescu: ;;view 21134
gribble: #21134 Tue Jul 22 18:54:18 2014 mircea_popescu SELL 5000.0 ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014 @ 1 BTC (Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch.)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or whoever has a reddit acct : put that loglink in ?
mircea_popescu: aw shit bad date.
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2015" 1 BTC "Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch."
gribble: Order id 21135 created.
mircea_popescu: that one.
BingoBoingo: K, In the better purchases department http://t.co/rFyjQ2GNsu
assbot: Sexy Saffron's Clips
mircea_popescu: ;;remove 21134
gribble: Order 21134 removed.
mircea_popescu: ;;remove 21133
gribble: Order 21133 removed.
mircea_popescu: !up DoctorBTC
mircea_popescu: ;;view 21131
gribble: #21131 Tue Jul 22 18:01:45 2014 DoctorBTC SELL 1.0 OTC Handholding @ 0.1 BTC (I'll gently guide you through registering and authing with gribble)
mircea_popescu: ^ nice idea that.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot DoctorBTC
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DoctorBTC!~DoctorBTC@unaffiliated/doctorbtc. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DoctorBTC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=DoctorBTC | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DoctorBTC | Rated since: Tue Apr 30 19:24:50 2013
DoctorBTC: logs get all filled up watching people explain...
mircea_popescu: it's needed here like weekly or so.
assbot: Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015 : CryptoCurrency
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so now, elementary economic theory : if one actually WANTS ethereum coins, they'll buy from me.
mircea_popescu: watch how nobody does, and then watch the ethereum people lie about how they sold however many.
mircea_popescu: because yes, totally, this happens.
thickasthieves: reddit deleted my link to your ethereum thing
thickasthieves: mine said "Eccentric European Eviscerates Ethereum's Ether "
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget the mp eats babies crowd and "momentum traders" who want to flip the thing right away
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, i am forgetting the idiots.
mircea_popescu: supposedly there's "investors" involved in these crummy shits.
thickasthieves: i guess mods got me on speed dial or sumth
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves maybe too many e's.
mircea_popescu: stop dropping the Es man
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I like to think of them as Patrons of the Derps
thickasthieves: art is ded
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2behuy/doge_just_got_dumped/ << "Cryptsy data from http://doge.yottabyte.nu/ shows that we are down to 138MIL TOTAL Buy order.
assbot: Doge just got dumped. : dogecoin
assbot: doge.yottabyte.nu - dogecoin value charts btc/doge
BingoBoingo: If you simply look at the chart of buy vs sell orders, it can be intuitive to say that some whale decided to cash out.
BingoBoingo: Now, what do we do about this?
BingoBoingo: Once more, as a reminder, we need to create a reason for people to want to buy in into Dogecoin, and for whales to hold their stash.
BingoBoingo: Posting memes and jokes won't do. We have the community, and we have the social media reach. What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post."
BingoBoingo: ^ Last victim
thickasthieves: "What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post." full circle
assbot: Altcoins That Are Currently In Community Takeover
mircea_popescu: "we have the community, it just so happens to be a community of worthless retards. o noes!"
mircea_popescu: must suck, you know, to be one of these fucktards, earnestly believing that everyone's equal and groups are great,
mircea_popescu: finding yourself confronted with the sad reality that people aren't equal and groups suck.
thickasthieves: they wont notice
thickasthieves: just need a better group
mircea_popescu: course they won't notice. anything to avoid that ego wound. but still...
mircea_popescu: !up Adohgg
mircea_popescu: how much you gettin' paid ?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 665597.03 in 1508 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -3.14
BingoBoingo: OMG ATC network is running nearly even!!!
mircea_popescu: well mike_c wanted stabilisation so i guess mike_c gets stabilisation.
BingoBoingo: ;;8ball how much does a petahash of mining hardware sell for anyways
gribble: The outlook is good.
mike_c: ;;calc 687*7
gribble: 4809
mike_c: 5 th/s, not bad
mike_c: and yes, when mike_c wants something.. it happens :D
mike_c wants all the coinz
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000000 "Doge coins deliverable 3 or 6 months" 3 BTC "Or less, negotiable by volume and interval. Looking to carry a few billion."
gribble: Order id 21136 created.
mircea_popescu: meh not enough zeros.
mircea_popescu: jesus the dog coin is worthless.
BingoBoingo: ;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins "Altcoin the sha-256 coin mentioned http://therealaltcoin.org/" 175 "satoshis per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained"
assbot: Page not found | The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again
gribble: Error: 'Altcoin' is not a valid price input.
BingoBoingo: ;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins, the sha-256 coin mentioned http://therealaltcoin.org/" 175 satoshis "per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained"
assbot: Page not found | The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again
gribble: Order id 21137 created.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves BingoBoingo's reddit seems to stick, maybe you're shadowbanned ?
mircea_popescu: one too many trilema links i nthere.
mircea_popescu: !up FoOdies
cazalla: ;;getrust BingoBoingo
gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.
cazalla: ;;gettrust BingoBoingo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user cazalla to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cazalla&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
FoOdies: multumesc
BingoBoingo: !up DoctorBTC
thickasthieves: selling 1000000 ATC for 100btc
mircea_popescu: https://medium.com/matter/the-martyrdom-of-weev-9e72da8a133d << this is kinda weird bullshit. as far as mah sources tell me, weev is fundamentally a guy of strange habits and little computing capcity who just had the guts to publish material some other guy actually produced. he is in any sense a front, not a hacker.
assbot: How We All Got Trolled Matter Medium
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sellout! we're building this great community with memes and whatnot and all you wanna do is sell out for btc ?!?!?!
cazalla: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 small ATC trade for BTC
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate cazalla 1 Bunny slayer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think the applicable term to describe weev is "fall guy" or "meat shield"
mircea_popescu: "shield of thorns"
BingoBoingo: Crown of Thrones
thickasthieves: i'm selling out for the community
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/32EM6CF.txt )
mircea_popescu: ahah epic retort.
assbot: Frank Zappa Interview (MTV, 1984) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: worst interviewer ever.
mircea_popescu: bitstein re your hoarders article, you familiar with the power/fetish of power exchange and all that jazz ?
bitstein: I don't think so.
mircea_popescu: ah well then.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: any reading suggestions on that subject?
assbot: The battlefield of the future pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
FoOdies: I can't believe I took 10 minutes of my precious life to read about some mentally retarded homophobic racist conspiracy nutjob hacker
BigBitz: Cancelled until 2015.
FoOdies: thanks obama ( mircea_popescu )
mircea_popescu: a fine excerpt is in there. ballas does a great job of doing the psychiatric basics of it
mircea_popescu: but otherwise you want saussure and levi strauss
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: thanks
mircea_popescu: FoOdies arguably the life of one who's never heard of weev isn't that precious.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz what is ?
FoOdies: arguably
BigBitz: mircea_popescu: BattleField Hardline. I was just making a funny.
mircea_popescu: but anyway. culture is much like ash in the ashtray : the leftovers of all your nights wasted reading stupid shit.
FoOdies: why would I need to read about other retards' mishaps when I have a first have experience with fbi+mi5+sri
FoOdies: hand*
FoOdies: first hand*
mircea_popescu: people who have sex read porn, why not.
BigBitz: wait. what.
BigBitz: 'read' porn.
FoOdies: true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn
FoOdies: watch
FoOdies: read
FoOdies: you know what he meant
bitstein: mircea_popescu: Oh yes! I need to re-read it, but that was a great TLP article.
BigBitz: with mircea_popescu you never /really/ know what he meant.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz im in touch with my feminine side, you chauvinist pigglet.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu please.
mircea_popescu: bitstein basically the idea is that a whole generation of mutton has been raised to abhor actual power, and to readily insist it must be traded in for power tokens.
FoOdies: the cells of the central arrest near casa poporului are very enlightening you know
mircea_popescu: this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme,
mircea_popescu: and this is why a lot of other things.
BingoBoingo: <FoOdies> true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn << if only you knew what a hassel these things are to set up...
FoOdies: god damn it don't I know it
mircea_popescu: ;;google literotica.com interrecial intersex interspecies orgy
gribble: Smashwords – About Nick Foxx, author of 'Tush (The Whole Tale ...: <https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/NIckFoxx>
FoOdies: and the mess you have to clean up afterwards
bitstein: <+mircea_popescu> this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme, << you mean the idea that merchants matter?
BingoBoingo: FoOdies: Mess is why you go to the Goat's house
mircea_popescu: bitstein well the idea that in order for bitcoin to have value, it must be traded out of your hand.
mircea_popescu: ie, they're firm in the notion that nothing in their hand can be of value. a sort of reverse-midas mentality.
mircea_popescu: shitheads convinced everything in their hands turns to shit
FoOdies: not when you're the host
mircea_popescu: !up cowloon
mircea_popescu: bitstein it's not just money, either. consider my earlier quoted piece about how "you can't police other people's oppression".
bitstein: Pierre_Rochard has referred to Bitcoin as an example of Coase theorem. Bitcoin can be allocated however... it will fall out of the hands of the stupid.
mircea_popescu: and it's really universal. i was out one night here, and a bum (there's tons of bums in buenos aires, they have matresses in the street and whatnot) started howling. like 3 am.
FoOdies: mircea_popescu the day bitcoin is no longer paired against fiat is the day bitcoin has reached it's purpose
mircea_popescu: a passerby was like "shut up!" all aggro.
mircea_popescu: find the us guy that wil tell a bum what to do, how to speak and so on.
FoOdies: until then it's just an unregulated trading asset
FoOdies: imho
mircea_popescu: "o, could never do that". well ? why not ? whoi's to tell the bums how to behave ? who's to tell children what to do, when and how ?
assbot: 170-Foot Ketchup Bottle for Sale in Illinois - ABC News
FoOdies: I like this place, it's all kinds of weird
FoOdies: can I have perma voice ?
mircea_popescu: nah, you should too shilly.
FoOdies: I'll consider a shpaga when I meet you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 429 @ 0.00273 = 1.1712 BTC [-] {2}
FoOdies: notice the usage of when
FoOdies: the firm usage
mircea_popescu: permanence is illusory anyway.
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure that catsup bottle can be dressed up as an MPEx dildo
bitstein: Somewhat related, I'm working on an article about how merchants are just scammers trying to swindle you out of your bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it being ill, they'll prolly shoot someone with it.
mircea_popescu: bitstein perhaps going a little too far.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Other side of the state. A few hundred miles from Chiraq
bitstein: Yes, that's the hyperbolic summary.
bitstein: I'll pass on a draft later on. I have school in the way right now.
BingoBoingo: !up FoOdies
mircea_popescu: ;;view 21114
gribble: #21114 Sun Jul 20 00:20:35 2014 BTCminers SELL 1.0 Spin Wheel – wheel Script for any crypto coin + Installing @ 0.1 BTC (Escrow Accepted)
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves feel like running whatever that is ?
assbot: Brenda Ann Kenneally documents life below the poverty line in Troy, York in her documentary project, Upstate Girls.
BingoBoingo: ^ lulzy photos
BingoBoingo: OMG spot the DOgecoiner
mircea_popescu: this guy could be a 2012 bitcoin miner.
BingoBoingo: "I would encourage you to finish before the majority of your committee members retire. (seriously.)" << Roflmao, I know a between one and two hand full of countable fingers of these people.
BingoBoingo: http://www.horseradishfestival.net/ << Event that happens in the shadow of the Catsup Bottle/Dildo water tower
assbot: International Horseradish Festival, Collinsville, IL. First weekend in June
mircea_popescu: anyway, very merkley??? looking shit, except minus either the talent or the interest
assbot: merkley???: I May Not Be God, But at Least I'm Real.
BingoBoingo: roflcopter
bitstein: Ethereum has raised nearly $800k in about 2 hours: https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
assbot: Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
mircea_popescu: lol so people bought >1k btc worth of ethereum at 2k each btc , instead of buying 1k btc worth of ethereum at 5k each btc ?
mircea_popescu: does this sound credible to you in any sense ?
bitstein: Well I'm amazed by any purchase of Ethereum, so...
mircea_popescu: why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, they're all sent off the same software which simply substracts the same mining fee from the txn ?
mircea_popescu: funny how that'd be the case.
BingoBoingo: Wait, there's a wallet thing that does that?
mike_c: isn't ethereum a wallet or something?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Well, so far it is a nothing
mike_c: also, it's possible they didn't know about the better offer yet.
BingoBoingo: Then it will pretend to be a something before becoming a nothing again
mike_c: da fuck am i thinking of? mycelium, etherwhoizt. what the fuck is that node-less wallet thingy?
mike_c: jurov is a big fan. unless i dreamt all this.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Electrum?
mike_c: yes
mike_c: these names.
mircea_popescu: mike_c right, because nobody with any btc reads the logs, or reddit, or twitter.
BingoBoingo: Ah. Electrum wallet (split into online and offline components like armory) plus one's own electrum server actually doesn't seem like a bad wallet solution atm
mike_c: well, are you proposing that there is no longer significant # of btc in the hands of idiots?
mike_c: i didn't think we were there yet.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: yeah, it didn't seem completely retarded. i had attached some of that feeling to this ethereum thingy. didn't realize it was just a complete nothing.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Yeah, a big problem in this space is still sound/look a like names.
mircea_popescu: mike_c in this case, the only significant amount of btc is in the hands of the idiots trying to fraudulently prop an ipo scam visible from the moon, in some sort of misplaced delusion of legal immunity.
benkay: mircea_popescu: d'you recall what gmaxwell's all butthurt about?
BingoBoingo: Well, it was just last week the link dropped here of an aspiring HYIP scammer who lost a whole BTC to malware he though would let him cheat a pasted together gambling site.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Porn. gmaxwell hates pr0ns
mircea_popescu: getting publicly humiliated ? the usaul thing.
benkay: just wondering what fine print he failed to read.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a whole btc. not a succession of 5.997 2.997 etc etc.
benkay: having failed to read my fair share of fine print in the past.
mircea_popescu: benkay o, i don't imagine his recent derpage has any substance to it, merely him trying his best at crafting effectual calumny.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the dispute is preserved here : http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/
assbot: The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, this whole ether huffing thing smells just like the mastercoin "sell coin now" and then "release anything eventually"
mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that time has meanwhile proven my points doesn't in any sense help.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate gmaxwell -1 Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user gmaxwell has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: What was Hearn's nick?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this isn't in any sense a dispute pitting flaming social justice warriors and other braindamaged kids trying to make the world "liberal" a la copumpkin against cold hard reality.
mircea_popescu: this is a dispute where a consumate gofer (ie, gmaxwell) is trying to veer their naivity into some sort of political relevance for himself, gets called out and then stomped out.
benkay: BingoBoingo: is this ether coin a btc fork or...
mircea_popescu: much like the life of andreas derpopowhatever, except two years earlier
BingoBoingo: benkay: Pre-sold instead of pre-mined
benkay: BingoBoingo: still no software then i gather
mircea_popescu: which shouldn't be surprising : anyone can be a very ambitious failed painter or w/e mediocrity.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Not that they've released. Apparently the presale ether goes in their genesis block
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mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> What was Hearn's nick? << i don't recall he ever managing to figure out the gpg arcana. i imagine he'll first have to implement a google code version, that doesn't work.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, I though I'd give him the "UnsavoryGarnish, Vegetable" ninjashogun and gmaxwell earned
BingoBoingo: But if he didn't submit himself to civilization
BingoBoingo: I guess that people will have to read other places that he is suspected of being the lead USG plant
mircea_popescu: not the sort of thing that really needs to be read by too many people anyway.
mircea_popescu: benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork.
mircea_popescu: it's going to do great things in novel ways just as soon as someone does it.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin lol, lol, but how about you go count female heads in otc and here ? just for lulz.
copumpkin: busy eating some hand grasp bread I just made
mircea_popescu: i never had that thing. what the hell is it
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork. // vaporware fork XD
nubbins`: what's hand grasp bread
benkay: at least urbit had code in the wild, has ether achieved that yet?
copumpkin: dlicious
copumpkin: om nom nom
nubbins`: oh yum
nubbins`: is that wheat-based?
benkay: nubbins`: hit the lawyer turn off the gym, facebook up?
copumpkin: mine isnt as beautiful as that one
copumpkin: yeah wheat
nubbins`: benkay i know all the verbs you just used
mircea_popescu: look slike an exploded strudel.
mircea_popescu: benkay well it's a spoonlet then , not quite a fork
nubbins`: i'm trying to see if i can make a business case for buying one of these cd duplication machines
benkay: the spoon is a lie
nubbins`: with the little robot arms
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, Imma walk over to the county fair and grab some chikin livers to go with this vodka
BingoBoingo: (reconstituted vodka)
copumpkin: nubbins`: wtf is a cd
nubbins`: i know right
nubbins`: that's in the "cons" list
nubbins`: but they're fuckin cheap. like under 3btc
copumpkin: hell, I can't even remember the last time I handled physical media
assbot: Chopped green onion hand grasp bread | Chinesefood
copumpkin: that's cause nobody else wants them either
nubbins`: reason i'm wondering is we got a job producing cd jackets etc for a band, and we're printing on the discs
copumpkin: dub: yup
dub: complete wiht engrish++
nubbins`: started humming about actually duplicating them too
dub: this is my new favorite blog
benkay: <bitstein> Somewhat related, I'm working on an article about how merchants are just scammers trying to swindle you out of your bitcoins. // i'm starting to like you
copumpkin: delicious
copumpkin: so much good chinese food never leaves china
copumpkin: it's a pity people only eat general tsao and such
dub: duck you
dub: um
dub: fuck you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lawyer is a noun. get it ? A NOUN. you don't want it to sue you.,
mircea_popescu: how much do they cost ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo grab a chick'n while at it.
mircea_popescu: !up Ginux
mircea_popescu: !up gilgameshugga
mircea_popescu: ok, how many cds did you burn last year ?
midnightmagic: you just have to know a chinese person. I got some great stuff smuggled out. :-D
dub: i want chinee food now
copumpkin: chinese lamb sticks are the best
copumpkin: ma po doufu
copumpkin: in fact, anything with szechuan peppercorns
dub: theres a place up the road that does that bread and og dumplings
mircea_popescu: i never got into chinese. sushi i like, indian lamb i like, but chinese... hm. what's it even for.
copumpkin: amazing ingredient
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
midnightmagic: tingly numby-ness.
dub: but im too hungover to drive
midnightmagic: nom nom nom
dub: yeah numbing heat
dub: good shit
mircea_popescu: ironically, the sechuan pepper i actually like
mircea_popescu: usually put it on... pfeffersteak
copumpkin: that's cause it's an amazing ingredient
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: yeah, proly the best pepper.
mircea_popescu: either that or green
midnightmagic: there are some weird salts that are hand-mined and prepared in china too. They highlight one in a show called "Taste of China".
dub: goddamit
midnightmagic: *amazing* weird flavours.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
dub: im gonna have to man up and put some pants on
copumpkin: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's not "salt scraped off forced labouring prisoners sweat" or something is it
copumpkin: aMazing pepper
dub: mircea_popescu: just the balls
mircea_popescu: chinese men have balls ?!
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: lol no, but its extraction is hugely labour-intensive.. same as lots of things in our world that have disappeared because nobody's willing or able to go to the effort anymore
dub: hey now, no need for racis
mircea_popescu: dub is racis the enemy of ratrans ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but i mean... salt is salt, right ? it forms deposits, acertain way. why labour intensive ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: pure salt is. The impurities give it the weird extra flavours. I mean some I'm not cool with. There's this weird black salt that has a lot of sulphur in it.
mircea_popescu: sulphur is supposedly good for you, somehow.
mircea_popescu: they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters.
BingoBoingo: I'm back, mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo grab a chick'n while at it. << How does that saying go... "Don't shit where you eat"
dub: Put to wok,add a spoon oil,cook until two side become yellow.OK!
mircea_popescu: dub is that wok or work ?
dub: if yan can cook then so can you
midnightmagic: my mistake the show is called "A Bite Of China" but damned if I can find the episode now :)
mircea_popescu: honestly, i'd be kinda loath to take bites out of china.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters. < been to such place, saturnia in italy.
mircea_popescu: kinda big.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla there's one in romania and i think somewhere in serbia ? or maybe it was albania
midnightmagic: There's a spot near me where the hotsprngs have naturally-occurring lithium in them.
midnightmagic: it's horrible literally being unable to move faster than a walk after sitting in those waters too long
dub: is that good for you?
midnightmagic: i didn't know until afterwards that the water was contaminated. they sell it as a health spa.
midnightmagic: "what the fuck is wrong with me" *sluggish zombie-movement*
mircea_popescu: "experience being old for a day!"
kakobrekla: Mataruška Banja? Havent been but need to check it out sometime.
dub: they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis
BingoBoingo: dub: Not just then, low dose lithium can work well for a person when their brain is just running a little hot.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya sound about right
BingoBoingo: dub> they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis << Also they don't really give lithium much for psychosis anymore which is a shame considering how well it works...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming.
mircea_popescu: we're trying to build a great future here and you gotta throw simple element wrenches into the windows
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming. << I'm fighting marketing. Just because pharma doesn't want to compete with Tesla's 1337 battery factory doesn't mean that there are better uses for those salts than motor carriages and iBortions.
mircea_popescu: psychoactive lithium is not complex enough. progress is complexity, to oppose complexification is to be antisocial and terrorist.
BingoBoingo finds it interesting that in a few years on patent Atypical Antipsychotics will dry up, and the next pivot isn't apparent on the horizon yet.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seeing how well the current stuff works, they can just patent borax glass and give that to people.
BingoBoingo: Come on, there's nothing more complex than the cascade of mystery meat that happens when lithium displaces sodium in the gap and raises action potential
mircea_popescu: but that's complexity in the wrong place.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, The Last Psychiatrist had all of those wonderfully illustrative Seroquel articles about complexity in the right places, but... Tis off pattent nao
BingoBoingo: TLP's rum fountain analogy in those articles is probably the best popular science writing this century so far.
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nubbins`: nice middle-of-the-line cd duplicator is maybe $1500
nubbins`: realistically could charge about 50 cents for the duplication of one cd
nubbins`: which means 3k cds duplicated before i can stop worrying about breaking the thing
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you never answered as to how many you made
nubbins`: for customers? zero
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Look used on Ebay already.
nubbins`: just happened to be making some cd cases for a band and they wanted discs printed, idly wondering if we'd want to duplicate em too
nubbins`: probably not
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ok, how many do you figure you'll make and on what basis do you so figure ?
kakobrekla: tell em if he orders 3k.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla's idea goes a long way towards that. "3k, cause they're prepaid"
nubbins`: it's hard to say because a lot of bands are doing vinyl or download cards these days instead of cds. ballpark guess, might get 1000 cds duped over the next year
mike_c: and exponential decrease every year after
mike_c: it's like a miner!
nubbins`: well, there's that too
kakobrekla: at this point - might be more $ to be in the floppy biz.
nubbins`: you can also get dupe towers, with one master drive and say 5 burners
nubbins`: they're only around $700
mircea_popescu: horrible business purchase, moving on.
nubbins`: not quite as hands-off tho
nubbins`: lel, agreed
mircea_popescu: nubbins` , hey, it's what you originally asked.
nubbins`: this is a silkscreen printing studio, not a cd dupe centre
nubbins`: just looking for a fresh perspective, glad to see we're all in agreement 8)
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: How many Cd's do they need duped?
nubbins`: this particular job, only 200
nubbins`: i'd say at this point, more stuff is being released on cassette here than cd
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is like, groupthink. no fresh perspectives allowed here.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but srsly, if you can get a vynil press you can sell to all the hippies
nubbins`: mp, that's its own craft
kakobrekla: that shit costs serial monies.
nubbins`: almost every vinyl pressing house in canada outsources to this one factory in czech
mike_c: really? shipping is worth it?
mircea_popescu: mike_c easy to fuck up
nubbins`: they do direct-to-metal digital masters with this crazy machine
nubbins`: supposed to be a one-of-a-kind setup
mircea_popescu: it probably is.
nubbins`: name an a-list band, their vinyl is pressed there
mike_c: interesting.
mircea_popescu: the last existing top hat factory was destroyed in a family dispute coupla decades ago
nubbins`: jeez
mircea_popescu: most of the good old shit is one of a kind setups
BingoBoingo: Nubbins 2k cd minimum order I could set up cd production with artisinal hand labeling ~ 8.7 BTC and handle the remaining on a print on demand basis. 6 week turn around for the first batch.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo i don't think many bands here would be into a 2k minimum ;(
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there exist no indie bands which can afford a 10 btc expenditure on life saving surgery
mircea_popescu: let alone cds
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you forget, this is canada
nubbins`: sweet sweet grant money
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, the only way to do this is, make the whole studio, force-sign the bands, work them like slaves.
mircea_popescu: not VERY profitable, but a lot of fun.
nubbins`: maybe i'll just stick to printing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I figured I'd throw a quote out there just in case some "band" has parents with more coin than sense
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo those kids go for mbas, new cars and bumps off teenage asscracks.
nubbins`: one of our regular customers was awarded a $10k grant last year to record an album
mircea_popescu: not shitty "music"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wow socialist utopia. was the album actually made ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a copy somewhere
mircea_popescu: or did it work pretty much like kickstarter
nubbins`: it was their third album, first one paid for by someone else
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The 2k minimum is to avoid the situation where they buy exactly the number of cd's they have friends to pester and need pod cd's twice a month for a decade.
nubbins`: that's the thing about grants, you get blacklisted if you don't produce (a) your work and (b) your receipts
nubbins`: and nobody wants to get blacklisted, 'cause ain't nobody but the government giving out free money
mike_c: "free"
nubbins`: hey, free enough
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've had classmates with "farm money" talk their parents into covering their Film School, Mary Jane prescription, and subsequent X-mas DUI's. Weirder things happen in fiat land.
mike_c: not so free for the people they took it from
nubbins`: mike_c, our benevolent overlords see it fit that we should be entertained with fresh music
nubbins`: and so we gladly oblige, purse in hand
mircea_popescu: mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression.
mike_c: hey, it's better than how our gov't spends its money..
nubbins`: i mean, really, it's not the band that gets the $10k
mircea_popescu: im not sure if shitty contemporary bands should be given 10k in grants to derp quietly in a corner at their craft or just be medicated worth 10k for possesion.
mircea_popescu: so far neither strat seems to work any
mircea_popescu: canada hasn't had a good musician since cohen visited and the us...
nubbins`: it's everyone they hire to do shit for them that they used to have to do themselves
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` too lazy to list the us problemz.
mike_c: wait, was that a meta-insult?
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: What happens if by next March 15th, the Ethereum network isn't sufficiently functional for you to be able to deliver Ethers to the people who take you up on your offer?
mike_c: "i'm too drunk to list irish problems"
mircea_popescu: justusranvier amusingly, in that case the contract'd be void.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it'd be an explicit clause limiting such cases, obv.
mircea_popescu: in any case, one generally buys a future if they expect the thing to work well, not to fail.
mircea_popescu: if you buy a future and the thing fails there's many ways to put it, but they all boil down to "you're screwed".
justusranvier: They might have value as collector's items 30 years from now.
dub haz chinese food
mircea_popescu: all sorts of mights, obviously.
mircea_popescu: the aliens might land five minutes later and declare that anyone can have super hot alien blowjobs for a eth each
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But then the aliens burn in hell for coming from the wrong earth
justusranvier: "Vintage Ether units. Mint condition - never used."
mircea_popescu: i happen to be party to the first and oldest actually executed short, incidentally. you ever saw it ?
BingoBoingo: I wonder if ethereum ethers will suffer from the problem classical ether does where explosive peroxide crystals form.
BingoBoingo: Also, fuck tractor pulls
mthreat: anti-gravity
mircea_popescu: they do wonderful things with plastics now
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mircea_popescu: five holes, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: or was it six.
asciilifeform: damn what'd i miss.
asciilifeform got back from buying a new, somewhat more gastight exhaust stack for laser - which now has its own 'outhouse.'
asciilifeform now back to actual work
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decimation: asciilifeform were you tired of breathing laser-combustion byproducts?
asciilifeform: decimation: aye
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lithium pharma << as i recall, the therapeutic envelope is so narrow as to be practically absent - e.g. slow poison
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Therapeutic envelope is indeed very narrow. 0.4 to 1.2, toxic depending on the patient starts at 0.8 to 1.4
decimation: asciilifeform if you aren't making stencils with laser cutter, what are you making? custom circuit-board etchings?
BingoBoingo: But, on the plus side interactions with other drugs are minimal
asciilifeform: decimation: mechanicals for paste laydown apparatus.
decimation: neato, robots building robots
decimation: I wouldn't mind building something like this one day: http://www.vtwilson.net/telescope.html (complete with russian military satellite observatory)
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, calling these things competing in the tractor pull "tractors" is an insult to the idea of useful machinery.
asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Auger valve for high-viscosity fluid dispenser, any manufacturer." at 1 BTC
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decimation: lithium & warfarin are famous for narrow theraputic index
BingoBoingo: decimation: Warfarin is a bit different. Warfarin has an antidote.
mircea_popescu: btw, since i've been reading my old romanian bitcoin articles, landed on some gems. anyone remembers vladimir's asic ?
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decimation: asciilifeform don't you need to refigerate solder paste?
decimation: refridgerate
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. or, alternatively, use it up quickly.
asciilifeform: it doesn't keep.
decimation: I guess if you do a batch at a time you use it up
asciilifeform: even refrigerated, the balls settle.
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mircea_popescu: "If this ASIC mambo jumbo goes forward then I think BTC is as "good" as PayPal or the Bank of England." (forum communitard, 2012).
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i saw some on tat's link too
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decimation: why not air dispenser?
asciilifeform: decimation: i own almost exactly that one
asciilifeform: they're crap, fundamentally
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah
decimation: too much variance in the dispensed amount?
asciilifeform: decimation: two reasons: air is a terrible working fluid (compressible!) making for very poor repeatability;
asciilifeform: decimation: likewise, major problem with 'drool' (actual term of art!)
decimation: yeah, plus when it runs out it will spatter I suspect
asciilifeform: decimation: that is, apparatus continues to shit after pressure is relieved
decimation: yeah you almost want to push it out with water or something, except that would dilute the flux
asciilifeform: air-fart syringe apparatus works for what it was built for - chinese slave gurlz dispensing glue.
decimation: generally in that application you don't care about drool or spillage
asciilifeform: state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw.
decimation: x turns of screw gives repeatable amount?
asciilifeform: turned with a stepper motor.
asciilifeform: correct.
decimation: plus no drool because it acts as a valve
decimation: interesting.
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decimation: you would need a tiny auger screw though?
asciilifeform: yes. and the cavity it turns in can have no more than a very small gap between the auger and walls.
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asciilifeform: these normally cost their weight in diamonds new.
decimation: "This is ?type 3? solder, which allows solder balls of up to 45 ?m in size, where 99% of those particles are below 38 ?m. "
decimation: that's a pretty small gap to close off
decimation: 45 micrometer ball size
BingoBoingo: County fair week has to be the worst week, why does a sled need 8 gallons of engine displacement to pull another sled full of weights?
asciilifeform: decimation: i use only Sn/Bi alloy, 138C. as described on mircea_popescu's site.
asciilifeform: 25-45 micron ball variance.
asciilifeform: it is reasonably inexpensive and reflows beautifully on an electric hob.
kakobrekla: its basically a tiny meat grinder.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla has it.
asciilifeform now wonders if said paste conducts well enough to be propelled in 'MHD' pump.
dub: my wood pellet burner ingests its food with an auger
asciilifeform: dub: cutting edge ancient greek tech.
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dub: its a bit buggy with the pellets, thinks its jammed and refuses to start around half the time
asciilifeform: (for victims of american school)
dub: smart way to isolate fuel store from the hot bit
mircea_popescu: dub how large are the pellets ?
dub: 5 by 10mm cylinders
mircea_popescu: prolly needs a tune-upo, the screw
dub: yeah, dust caked around the sensor oslt
dub: theres an appendage on the front of it that runs through middle of the screw which you pull out and wiggle to get it going again
dub: it would be a problem if I used the automation bits but its not annoying enough to start pulling it apart
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BingoBoingo: !up shesek
shesek: hey BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: hello shesek
shesek: I actually have no idea what this channel is for - I saw it mentioned on Reddit and joined in
shesek: the website doesn't really say much, either
BingoBoingo: shesek: Well, this channel is kind of like the pipefitter's lounge, but for serious bitcoiners instead of pipefitters.
BingoBoingo: Not necessarily serious in general mind you. Just serious in Bitcoin.
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BingoBoingo: Azelphur: It looks like you've worked quite a bit on Electrum. Familiar at all with documentation for the server component?
asciilifeform discovered an interesting, (though probably not new) scam.
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Rassah: I think "our monkey brains" are largely influenced by societal norms, and bitcoin will "hack" some of those norms just as other technologies and science discoveries have...
asciilifeform: one can buy 'sim cards' intended for industrial applications - alarms, sensors, etc. where you feed it once a quarter, and the balance is spent when making/receiving calls or sms
asciilifeform: i have one such. and now i know how the vendor scams
asciilifeform: the device receives sms spam.
asciilifeform: despite the number never seeing the light of day anywhere
asciilifeform: could be 'wardialer,' of course.
asciilifeform: or - their actual business model.
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