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mircea_popescu: still, here's a q. Hot Bets ends around .1
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment got .3 and isn't on there ?
mike_c: yeah it is
mike_c: in the middle
mircea_popescu: o was looking for .3 nm
mike_c: close bets is broken on that page atm.. will be fixed shortly. some fucking python 2.6 decimal bug.
mircea_popescu: pretty epic shit.
asciilifeform vaguely recalls the zoology lesson - if condemned to choose what animal to be locked with unarmed, and choices are chimp and, e.g., grizzly, or lion - pick the mega-carnivore. at least quick death.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd choose the chimp and fucking maul it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nontrivial - chimp has >2x the strength of a man gram for gram (muscle fiber quirk. they get greater synchronicity in fiber motion in place of our precision.)
asciilifeform: so, to him we're sorta like plasticine.
mircea_popescu: since when the strong troglodyte got a chance ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, he's the size of a 9 yo boy.
mircea_popescu: for the other thing, does it even know what a choke hold is ?
assbot: Could anyone beat a chimp in a fight? - martial arts | Ask MetaFilter
asciilifeform: bear doesn't know what chokehold is, either...
mircea_popescu: "Back in the early half of the century, circuses used to hold fights between apes and the strongest men in the town they were touring through. The men were generally knocked unconscious just a few seconds into the fight, after the first blow from the ape."
mircea_popescu: wtf already.
assbot: The Secret To Chimp Strength -- ScienceDaily
[]bot: Bet created: "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/
asciilifeform did not personally measure chimp strength, cannot guarantee results.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : the carpathian brown bear is just about human range. you'd get about one boy per generation per village that could wrestle a bear.
mircea_popescu: "And I bet that Mr. Lee can hit pretty hard. I'm wondering if his ability to block/dodge/fend off the chimpanzee would give him the advantage."
mircea_popescu: these people are idiots. why would i hit it.
asciilifeform digs for ancient report of zoologies who lost fingers, toes, nose, ears, eyes, cock to chimps in one evening. beasts he worked with for a decade, who decided to have some sudden fun.
asciilifeform: *zoologist
decimation: it seems the human's advantage in such a fight would be to rely on tools
mircea_popescu: ima eat the fucking monkey stop pestering me.
asciilifeform: tools >> good rifle.
mircea_popescu: i shook hands with chimps, they're not THAT strong for crying out loud.
decimation: precisely. or a shotgun if too close
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,991.
assbot: Poachers sought in death of bear in Caon City | gazette.com
mircea_popescu: mthreat ^ if you care.
decimation: "Wildlife officials are offering a $2,000 reward for information leading to the capture of the poacher or poachers responsible for killing a black bear with a series of arrow strikes."
asciilifeform: 'stole this bear from the People of the State of Colorado.'
decimation: asciilifeform: it's well settled in common law that the wildlife belongs to the king
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: good thing the bison was free game then
asciilifeform: and vox populi, vox Führer, at the risk of mixing things up a bit...
decimation: of course, in England the king could assign ownership of animals to the local barons
decimation: no one in the us is equal enough for such a privilege
mircea_popescu: fun fact : romanian baron (ion tiriac) owns hunting domain in romania, holds invite-only yearly event
TheNewDeal: canon city is where i go rock climbing ery yeare
mircea_popescu: romanian hipsters are enraged every year, pen poisonous op pieces for mags and rags
mircea_popescu: nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like the guy for this reason alone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ro brought back titles !?
mircea_popescu: nah, just the domains.
mircea_popescu: ;;google ion tiriac domeniu vinatoare
gribble: Comuna Balc, Bihor - Wikipedia: <http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Balc,_Bihor>; Vânătoarea de la Balc, organizată de Ion Ţiriac - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl_tyweEQGE>; Tiriac cumpara 3500 de hectare pentru vanatoare in Bozovici CS ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5LZFESoDw>
mircea_popescu: and they kill shit too, tons of everything.
TheNewDeal: saw a black bear there 2 years ago, was a small one that was up in a tree, just about broke the branch it was on while reaching for some food
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who complains? vegetarians ?
mircea_popescu: unlike the god forsaken plains to the south, romania has a great hunting history
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, town hipsters. the sort of kids that'd be on reddit if they could comprehend english
mircea_popescu: "creative" peoples.
mircea_popescu: web 2.0 gurus
mircea_popescu: that sorta crowd.
decimation: ie those that eat meat but have never slain an animal
mircea_popescu: and btw, the guy's right consists of his ownership of the land and the beasts in question
mircea_popescu: that is all.
decimation: he doesn't get any pr staff position in the ro government?
mircea_popescu: his son was caught with a load of cocaine once
mike_c: ok, stupid bug squashed, close bets list working.
mircea_popescu: if you've seen true romance, something like that scene
mircea_popescu: but he got out on general barony privilege
mike_c: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/
assbot: BitBet Overview - Btc Alpha
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why'd they bring back baronies? 'fuse' ? (i.e. somebody for the next set of bolsheviks to guillotine, so normal people might escape ?)
mircea_popescu: no, just an earnest belief in feudalism.
decimation: relatedly, elsewhere in colorado the barons who own Anheiser Bush/InBev decided to purchase a town for their own amusement: http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2014/09/15/bud-light-posts-first-whatever-usa-ad-youtube/112778/
assbot: Bud Light posts first Whatever USA ad on YouTube
asciilifeform vaguely recalls that firm was bankrupt not long ago ?
decimation: "Anheuser-Busch paid the town $500,000 to transform the mountain community into a Budweiser paradise as part of the beer giant’s “Up For Whatever” ad campaign."
decimation: Busch was bought out by euro-brewer InBev
asciilifeform: decimation: 500k buys a small house here where i live...
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's amusing how cheap/poor people are in the middle of nowhere usa
decimation: TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub
asciilifeform: middle of nowhere usa << antarctica, even cheaper.
TheNewDeal: We were playing games at night as a child, someone mistook a small bear cub for me, got real close, but nothing came of it
TheNewDeal: decimation ever seen pictures of that guy who would let a bear wrap its jaws around his head?
decimation: when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories of bears ripping open tents and mauling inhabitants because they could smell food or hygiene products
TheNewDeal: I've heard the same, or even women's menses
decimation: http://amarillo.com/stories/2000/07/26/usn_black.shtml "Drought has forced the bears to look for food at some of the ranch's backcountry camps used on hiking treks by Boy Scouts from across the United States."
TheNewDeal: "The bear continued to roam around the campground. It was shot later that morning by a ranch employee." Nice transition
decimation: reminds me of that Herzog documentary "Happy People". One of the men they follow is a trapper who spends the Siberian winter alone in the taiga trapping animals. He said "I used to raise cattle, and I could never bring myself to slaughter them. Because there is, say, a bull. You raise him for two years. It comes to you expecting you to show affection or give it some treat and instead he gets a bullet in the head. In the taiga, the
decimation: wild animal knows that no good can come from me, from a man. He tries to escape. Here, it’s about who outsmarts whom."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9652 @ 0.00075486 = 7.2859 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: so the solar flare last week produced a coronal mass ejection that hit the earth and did not cause The End of Days, but it did make pretty aurorae in Norway http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=101723
assbot: Auroras
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC tops all time high before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1033/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.71569497 BTC. Current weight: 84,143.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.4198 BTC. Current weight: 99,837.
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: No data returned from PityThePool.com
atcbot: [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.89 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 291449.55 in 1111 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.48
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
BingoBoingo: !up Molten_Sea
Molten_Sea coughs
BingoBoingo: Hello Molten_Sea
Molten_Sea: hello
BingoBoingo: Whay brings you around these parts?
Molten_Sea: no reason
Molten_Sea: actually know that you mention it i wanted to share this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1wYl5v3w2k&feature=player_embedded#t=57
assbot: Burmese python eat big rabbit - YouTube
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "go to san jose" << har dee har har
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assbot: Exa-Networks/exabgp GitHub
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punkman: 'ello
punkman: !s warpwallet
assbot: WarpWallet - deterministic bitcoin wallet generator
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - I seen that one - its just straight carbonwallet fork I thought
RagnarDanneskjol: I believe this is rather impossible to break
punkman: well if anyone's inclide to try, should probably start here: https://github.com/keybase/triplesec
assbot: keybase/triplesec GitHub
punkman: *inclined
assbot: New Bitcoin ARG, The legend begins here.... 4.33 BTC BOUNTY!!!
assbot: Bracing for Bitcoin In Argentina
punkman: sounds more like a coworking space than embassy
punkman: BitPay, BitPagos, CoinMelon setting up offices there. Prime target for some unscrupulous folks?
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kdomanski_: I'm suprised to see there aren't any bets related to what Russia is doing
mircea_popescu: there was one iirc. but really hard to have them resolvable
mircea_popescu: decimation: TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub << bears generally aren't aggressive at all. felides&canides are aggressive if very hungry or during mating season, but otherwise you can get out and people have for ages. animal aggressivity is a cost/benefit consideration, they';re not the convenient antichrist retarded human shamans preach.
mircea_popescu: they're not an anthropo thing. they're animals. doing their own thing.
mircea_popescu: decimation: when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories << re retarded human shamans : here they tell horror stories about muggings. i have, in months, observed exactly one attempt, and it was a clearly us bum trying to pass himself as belgian and doing the talking business. clueless enough to not even fucking spot me, the idiot. but otherwise : ever
mircea_popescu: y argentine will warn you to "be careful with your belongings!111eleventy", they have special implements in many restaurants to hook&tie your purse to the table, they go as fucking far as to wear backpacks in front, and many kids with it in the back had this mental issue where they reached back and touched the zipper every 30 seconds.
mircea_popescu: because they've convinced themselves this happens. meanwhile, it never does. walk queens you'll see a mugging every day. walk chacarrita and glty, you got better chances to see a comet.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 320978 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1581 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33058442115.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.82379
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu i couldn't believe how many people came up to me
los_pantalones: to tell me to put away my cell phone
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones ikr ?!
los_pantalones: not one person ever looked at me funny
mircea_popescu: to me too. and i got a 100 pesos samsung dumbphone. it's light, i couldn't care less if someone steals it.
los_pantalones: but ppl would come running in a panice
los_pantalones: PUT IT AWAY
mircea_popescu: in fact, i might enjoy the sport of it
los_pantalones: as opposed to las ramblas in barcelona
mircea_popescu: as opposed to anywhere in "the civilised" world.
los_pantalones: where 50% of the ppl there are just a network of pickpockets
mircea_popescu: and this isn't even all of it. when i left for mexico everyone in the us was like "pack tp"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the bus stations in fucking rural mexico are airport-clean, you can eat off the floors.
los_pantalones: haha, yes
mircea_popescu: go check out greyhound station in mobile sometime
mircea_popescu: not even the streetwalkers hang there.
los_pantalones: US gas station bathrooms are the worst
los_pantalones: driving through rural turkey was better
mircea_popescu: basically the various govts have pulled the trick of all time : convinced the people living in the shithole of the world they're living in the only livable tip thereof.
mircea_popescu: if only the soviets had such pixie dust
los_pantalones: ha, didn't they just run out of it?
mircea_popescu: yeah and vice-versa. speaking in english to womenz in romanian cabs, driver picks the idea i'm like from boston
mircea_popescu: and so he starts telling me all about how they die of hunger over there and how bad romania is
mircea_popescu: im like... you're such a fucking retard, i live here for the food motherfucker.
mircea_popescu: because srsly, it is the best place in the world for food.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean other places don't have good food, but if you're european/(french-italian branch), there's just nowhere to go.
los_pantalones: romanian specifically or east europe ?
mircea_popescu: maybe you get a ny deli with decent stuff most of the time, maybe you're willing to drop 20k euro a month to eat properly in paris,
mircea_popescu: but then again maybe you don't.
los_pantalones: bulgarians are fanatics about their tomatoes
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones romania specifically, from timisoara/oradea to brasov.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yes but they don't do salt pickles. which... romanians end up importing the gherkins and pickling locally.
los_pantalones: i'll be in bucharest next summer for a bit, i'll report on the veracity of your claims
mircea_popescu: bucharest is shit.
mircea_popescu: if you look at a map, it's outside the perimeter i described :)
los_pantalones: pickles are such an art form
mircea_popescu: totally.
los_pantalones: so bad in the US
mircea_popescu: bucharest is like trying to eat in washington dc.
mircea_popescu: they eat tax money there, not food.
los_pantalones: maybe i'll bring the family and we'll venture out
mircea_popescu: you coming to the conference btw ?
mircea_popescu: dun forget to pay before it hikes!
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what to do here, i mean the town is hooker central, but i don't imagine people would much like the italian arrangement
mircea_popescu: (seat people with wife on right, whore on left)
mircea_popescu: i guess ima run a poll see if people want fambly friendly or what.
los_pantalones: my vote for not
los_pantalones: biz trip
mircea_popescu: last time i tried to do it "bring your gf" but mostly ppl didn't.
kakobrekla: shame on you lampelina .
mircea_popescu: by the way, BitBet announcement : the contract specifies 30% of shares are sold on a increasing schedule, after their being sold me and kako each get 10% into our accounts.
kakobrekla: 10 + 10 = 30 ?
kakobrekla: ;;calc 10+10
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's been about two years and the 30% still ain't all sold, and given that the contract was made at a btc of like 15 so it significantly misjudges things, and seeing how us having 0 shares in hand is inconvenient because we want to do things like give mike some shares cause he keeps doing cool shit
mircea_popescu: i am unilaterally modifying that thing, and will release the 10% blocks to our accounts later this week.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well it's 30% on sale and 10% a head held in reserve making for 50%
kakobrekla goes to reread the contract
mircea_popescu: hrm? is a very bad error message!1
mircea_popescu: MiniGame announcement : i received sketches for 36 itams, ofwhich 24 animals and 12 plants, from jason juta (the wizards of the coast guy) who's worked with us before and i was very satisfied.
mike_c: sweet. i think any changes that involve giving mike some stuff is a good idea.
mircea_popescu: ima be scoring them and getting the fully painted things later this month, and we will proceed having them modelled then.
mircea_popescu: mike_c lol
mircea_popescu: no but it is getting ridiculous, wanted to do this after the bitbet ads thing but o noes, contracts.
mircea_popescu: eventually i had enough.
kakobrekla: 3. (f)Of the remainder 5`000`000 (five million) shares, 3`000`000 (three million) will be used as described in paragraph (b) above. The proceeds of those sales will go to the two individuals named above, alternatively for each block, starting with Matic "kakobrekla" Kočevar for the first block. Thirty days after the completion of the IPO as described in paragraph (b) above the remainder 2`000`000 (two million) shares will be distributed e
kakobrekla: among the two named individuals, each receiving a block of 1`000`000 (one million) shares.
mircea_popescu: right, which 1mn = 10%
kakobrekla: this is the clause? has it been 30 days already sheesh.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well completion of ipo as in, them selling.
kakobrekla: a right.
mircea_popescu: which.. you know. but anyway, lessons learned galore from that 1st try. it's time to release the undead hold.
kakobrekla: so basically a hardcoded date should be a fix for this
mircea_popescu: many different fixes for many different aspects. either a fixed date, not such large blocks on sale, not such strictly fixed prices etc.
mircea_popescu: it was one of those bright engineering ideas what does in fact work as intended, but causes such a pile of unintended consequences as to wipe out any benefit.
mircea_popescu: so... reiteration!
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: ha - derps are setting up shop in BA << it's a big town
mircea_popescu: "After a brief introduction to some of the building’s chief organizers, along with a tour of the facility, I was a fellow citizen in good standing, in the world of Bitcoin. "
mircea_popescu: in your dreems, punk.
mircea_popescu: jeez why the fuck am i reading bitcoinragazine.
RagnarDanneskjol: sorry - thought you needed to know the enemy is in yur backyard
mircea_popescu: lol what enemy
mircea_popescu: kids hanging out are no one's enemy.,
RagnarDanneskjol: well - they aren't allies, so
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a big city, 20mn or so, plenty of room for derpage here.
mircea_popescu: you should hear the whores thinking outloud.
mircea_popescu: mike_c btw, make yourself a banner for the thing, you get a month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00075359 = 3.5954 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://asfutecevanou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IMG_5427.jpg << remember the 50s ? back when WE were the muslims ?
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c btw, make yourself a banner << hm? a banner for what?
mircea_popescu: for the new tool
mike_c: ah, k.
mircea_popescu: i figure the best audience for it is bitbet itself
mike_c: yup, makes sense
assbot: Wow Mom tells kid no more World of Warcraft Gold Guide - YouTube
pete_dushenski: to all: wd on the logs, this fine morning.
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: NOW READ
fluffypony: and bask in the glory of 0 lines from me
fluffypony: muhaahahahahahaaha
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: no, that's not retirement, that's being alive. << la vita bella, to be sure
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: well nao you have… 3 lol
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: how goes it, pete_dushenski ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what are you up to anywya
wyrdmantis: hi pete
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they weren't COMPLETELY bare were they ?
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: i'm pretty stoked that my latvia post beat yours ;)
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: too much to do, too little time
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: howdy.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you think i make joke? the logs are really quite splendid this 16th of september
mircea_popescu: here at house of b-a no joke sir. no joke at all.
pete_dushenski: then what of that cia joke a week ago that made me lol so?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: now the reports and the contract are fucking diverged and jurov has legitimate complaint #873 << c'est possible!
pete_dushenski: notsakamoto: rumor has it ethereum selling 1/2 their holdings to pay for dev. 15,000 btc hitting market soon << that's some diamond encrusted dev work right there
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm selling louisiana to pay for haircuts.
mircea_popescu: if you live in louisiana you should be worried, isis is the top bidder so far
BingoBoingo: There once was a mayor named Ford, of wood he cut a full cord. Twas his abode! Oh how he felt like a chode. And then there was another Mayor named Ford.
mircea_popescu: the fundamentalist mormon state a distant second
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe scientificamerican seriously is advocating making tanks run windows. << i read this as "building tanks with windows for looking out of." funnily, they may just replace seeing windows with mircoderp windows
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tanks haven't had plain optics for a while now. too hard to shield.
mircea_popescu: much cheaper to just put ten thousand cams on the body of the thing
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a didn't know this was fait accompli
pete_dushenski: that's even better then
pete_dushenski: "we miss our windows!" cried the generals
pete_dushenski: "here, take these. they'll keep you warm at night"
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: sometimes i feel like unconvertible Excel files are the only reason MS still exists << xls has no problem being turned into google docs. though that may be about as big a difference as bush and obama.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: I don't know about the cams, but the driver's front window is an array of mirrors, usually
los_pantalones: anyone in here ever met / dealth with zooko wilcox-o'hearn ?
thestringpuller: good morning/afternoon/evening all
punkman: pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the original 'salami slicer' thief, if i recall, stole the rounding error at a large bank. << as seen in canonical movie "office space" (1999(
thestringpuller: (given everyone is in ridic different time zones)
pete_dushenski: punkman: fair point. excel is still full fat. google docs is spreadsheet lite.
punkman: pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i stopped the car, got out and spent the next hour screaming at people on the phone. << nao there's a man who doesn't take shit from people who are used to giving it all day.
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 33147848402.3 based on data since last change | 33410380121.3 based on data for last three days
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "TGI Friday's << they actually had one of these abominations in riga
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: double :)
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 239164465.973
pete_dushenski: i think the only time i've been to a tgif was in nyc in 2000. i'll never forget it because it was the first time i saw a menu with a whole page for "the atkins diet"
pete_dushenski: it was pretty much just bacon cheese steaks
pete_dushenski: and that's when i learned about fad diets
ThickAsThieves: atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly
thestringpuller: ;;seen arij
gribble: arij was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <arij> pLambert, yes, pm me
ThickAsThieves: you want a pile of cheese and meat? you got it!
ThickAsThieves: free celery stick incl
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: gluten free menu only slightly trickier to manage
pete_dushenski: often many poorly concocted substitutions
mircea_popescu: <punkman> pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage. << vb scripts being untranslatable because of just how retarded vb is
mircea_popescu: <punkman> pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets << wtf are you talking about ?!
punkman: mircea_popescu: you ever try to open 500mb spreadsheet in LibreOffice or whatever?
mircea_popescu: well, an old open office, yes.
mircea_popescu: because at some point a bunch of derps in an office "we dunno why our computers are all borkt we had ppl repair them 5x but not able to fix"
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: i was wondering... would you give me a little loan, to improve my WoT? there are better ways?
ThickAsThieves: google docs has an obnoxiously low limit on size too
mircea_popescu: so i wiped a laptop, installed ubuntu, installed open office and had it load the thing and cut out the spurious data.
pete_dushenski: ;;gettrust wyrdmantis
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!9740323c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.64.50.60. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: Mon Aug 11 07:05:19 2014
mircea_popescu: this was cca early 2000s tho, no idea meanwhile
punkman: I made a lot of the open source ones crash last year, client was fine with his Excel
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: got any skills? writing, researching, coding, etc.?
mircea_popescu: maybe excel picked up in the meanwhile, but last i saw of it it was ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: i suppose they musta done a full 64 byte rewrite of the engine or something
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski he's an economist actually
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis this loan for wot business is dimly regarded, but your best avenue would perhaps be to intern with mike_c for btcalpha.
mircea_popescu: win-win, you both get something from it.
mircea_popescu: i think he's looking for more ppls to do econometric type of work
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: researching, i have PhD in communication, highly informed on bitcoin topic
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: and i've started study coding... but the topic is huge... maybe with a little guidance...
kakobrekla: first econometric task could be to measure the circumference of a bitcoin
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly << mystery solved. i had nfi why people still reference that idiocy after all these years.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's not econometry you hater you :D
mircea_popescu: ow shit, here i go confusing wywialm with wyrdmantis
mircea_popescu: sorry both of you. wy collision in my head.
wyrdmantis: lolz does not matter
BingoBoingo: Of course it matters! Wy collisions are messy!
BingoBoingo: What if Wyoming were to become involved
wyrdmantis: yeah wyoming, nice place, never seen it
mircea_popescu: "one wy entry should be enough for everyone"
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: o they matter. collisions were the catalyst for pete_d rather than bitcoinpete
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: and i'm sure something will come up soon. stayed tuned :)
mircea_popescu: what's to come, wywialm is the guy';s name
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: what this means? is it something about security?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: not just one man. the man with something to say. there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" << the apple watch is past the inflection point. a point that was, in my estimation, the iphone 5's 4" screen
pete_dushenski: 24 months ago...
pete_dushenski: prior to that, it was "fuck you, 3.5" is perfect" and they were right
ThickAsThieves: i'm no sure i agree on that one point
pete_dushenski: then apple recognized its competition as such, rather than as inferior pretenders, and it's been downhill since
kakobrekla: the bigger the screen the bigger the sales, with iphone.
mircea_popescu: i didn't reallt follow apple, so i dunno.
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: not a security thing, no.
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: how do you see it?
ThickAsThieves: personal bias probly
ThickAsThieves: i dont keep a real cell phone, just a 7" tablet with data plan
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly, my thinking was, "either apple actually comes with holodisplays for a 2015ish horizon, or it won't matter by 2020"
ThickAsThieves: i also dont like talking on the phone
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hard to do since irc huh.
ThickAsThieves: the idea of being immediately available to anyone irks me
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: which is of course coincides with entering china and shit
ThickAsThieves: other than my fambly i guess
kakobrekla: china got other iphones
ThickAsThieves: and they know to email
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: no disagreement there, but where do you see apple's decline commencing?
pete_dushenski: if not the iphone 5
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i dont see why they wouldnt
ThickAsThieves: oh i wasnt meaning to comment on that aspect so much as that i think it's no biggie to have 2 or 3 sizes avail
ThickAsThieves: people come in all shapes and biases
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: they do nao that they've had a few years to copy the original. but the fruit brand is still the fruit brand. lv is still lv
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because if you have a lot of money and not much thought leadership you will be scammed.
ThickAsThieves: apple died when it went ALL in on design and walled garden
ThickAsThieves: it's just like MS going all in on locking people into Office/Win
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lv is actually about 35% lv
mircea_popescu: the rest are undetected fakes.
ThickAsThieves: cant be sustained
kakobrekla: pete_dushenski heard of xiaomi?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol!
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: def
kakobrekla: apl cant do shit against that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what is it ?
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: apple has always been "all in" on design. though the walled garden is an ios thing
pete_dushenski: ;;google xiaomi
gribble: Xiaomi: <http://www.mi.com/sg/>; Xiaomi: <http://www.xiaomi.com/>; Xiaomi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomi>
kakobrekla: supposedly a quality iphone lookalike that runs some android for much less dorra
ThickAsThieves: by all in, i mean they made it their gimmick more than their charge
pete_dushenski: and sends plaintext data to people's servers
ThickAsThieves: they leveraged it
ThickAsThieves: and now post_jobs crew is harvesting it
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: xiaomi has people hooked with, get this, weekly software updates
ThickAsThieves: crop wont be there next time
pete_dushenski: it's like digsec hell
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: agreed.
mircea_popescu continues to not get it
kakobrekla: china is very different. so same tricks do not work as on mericans.
mircea_popescu: i guess im old.
ThickAsThieves: the watch was a bad idea
pete_dushenski: horrendous
ThickAsThieves: they couldve showed some grace by bowing out on the wearables garbage
ThickAsThieves: nothing feels more douchey than wearing a wearable
pete_dushenski: nao we know they've got no grace left in the tank
mircea_popescu: google glass will own the watch on basic "wearables" and even google glass seems to lose the wider socioacceptance war, what with all the glasshole sites and whatnot
ThickAsThieves: both will gloriously fail
mircea_popescu: if the bitchez dun think glass is cool, the nerds don't buy glass, and the whole story collapses
ThickAsThieves: glass already has really
thestringpuller: two bit idiot needs to just die
ThickAsThieves: itll be a pro security tool or such maaaaybe eventually
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller until you said something i had thought he had.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that existed for a while now, and better adapted for the job.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that bitz think any new tech is cool on guys
pete_dushenski: though they certainly like their own megaphones
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski dunno man, they loved the condom.
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mircea_popescu: they also loved the car, and the bike
ThickAsThieves: another prob with iwatch is it requires iphone
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok ok
ThickAsThieves: once user boots both up and diddles with em in public, they will feel that nice rush of emarassment
pete_dushenski: gurlz also loved airplanes and zeppelins and catapults
thestringpuller: apparently people are now paying him to ramble about bitcoin?
thestringpuller: when did he become an expert on the subject....
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: as so many samsungtards have already discovered
ThickAsThieves: there's a cool short about wearables in The Black Mirror
ThickAsThieves: all 3 eps are pretty cool
ThickAsThieves: if you havent seen em
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pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: have not. but i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio!
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: are you going to start that record label?
ThickAsThieves: not anytime soon
thestringpuller: whats the key component of a label? i originally thought distribution but i'm certain i'm wrong
ThickAsThieves: i have some decent ideas about music thingies but my right left says no
ThickAsThieves: that's the key component of a distributor ;)
ThickAsThieves: a label can be any subset or all services required to have a music business
thestringpuller: distribution seems moot in light of ticket sales on tours (if the artist has that kind of pull on fans)
ThickAsThieves: mgmt, booking, pr, dist, merch, legal, etc
ThickAsThieves: i think there's something to applying crowdfunding concepts to music biz
ThickAsThieves: might be where it's going
ThickAsThieves: like memberships, buffet subscriptions, preorder stretch goals and shit
thestringpuller: what about acquiring fans tho?
thestringpuller: like for instance Jay-Z can announce a concert and it sales out
ThickAsThieves: these days, that's the artist's problem
thestringpuller: Beatlemania in the 60's
thestringpuller: has it always been the artist's problem?
ThickAsThieves: broadly yes
ThickAsThieves: not in the 90s/00s tho
ThickAsThieves: maybe not 80s either
kakobrekla: jesus
thestringpuller: so this is a recent development?
kakobrekla: you need to 'register for a flash sale' to get these
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kakobrekla: 350k registration, 40k phones
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: i heard those aren't ready for production tho. very buggy.
ThickAsThieves: the talent market is much more commoditized now
ThickAsThieves: easy to find decent bands, so easier to focus on ones that already have some traction
ThickAsThieves: look at macklemore, he did it without signing to anyone
ThickAsThieves: so he says at least
thestringpuller: i wonder how fans select someone to follow in critical mass
ThickAsThieves: same as always
ThickAsThieves: friends and media
ThickAsThieves: and pandora
thestringpuller: like Kesha sucks tho
thestringpuller: but she still sells out venues
ThickAsThieves: thats why 80s-00s ruined shit, they made music a business model, all they needed was a husk amd some writers
ThickAsThieves: 80s not as bad i guess
ThickAsThieves: indie music kinda jived with pop music back then a bit
ThickAsThieves: wtf is with this Disney Frozen popularity
ThickAsThieves: i tried watching it
ThickAsThieves: like i thought it was a joke
ThickAsThieves: the singing and lyrics are written for a 3yo retard
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker btce
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker btc-e
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market btce
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.8, Best ask: 457.999, Bid-ask spread: 1.19900, Last trade: 457.999, 24 hour volume: 3155.73003, 24 hour low: 456.15302, 24 hour high: 470.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.07651
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 467.74, vol: 5787.99807629 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 457.999, vol: 3155.73003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 468.72, vol: 3843.13517769 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 467.173526, vol: 15446.36720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 482.0, vol: 2.09625389 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 478.05505, vol: 54.60290031 | Volume-weighted last average: 466.498196454
ThickAsThieves: now i get the switches
BingoBoingo: Wait is Adrian Petersen here already?
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves damn that's depressing. rather than discovering talent, we try to manufacture it?
ThickAsThieves: or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators
ThickAsThieves: but i'm not sure that happens as much anymore
ThickAsThieves: either way, i simply dont have the passion for it right now
thestringpuller: seems moot. i'm interested in show biz but yes the passion...
thestringpuller: not there.
thestringpuller: thanks for the talk ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: np, take it fwiw, i'm just one opinionated dude, probly wrong about half what i said
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> when did he become an expert on the subject.... << you mean in his own head or irl ?
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators << dude, nobody wants to spend 3 minutes watching a "creator" that's not female, not properly jugged and not properly skinned.
mircea_popescu: they're not husks, they're what people want to look at. women with the udder bulding out.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: he is apparently speaking at MIT as an expert and giving away prizes to the freshman...
thestringpuller: i will find you link
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a better question is who DIDNT speak at mit.
mircea_popescu: max tucker spoke at mit.
mircea_popescu: that lesbian author/activist whatever her name is spoke at mit
mircea_popescu: all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse.
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mircea_popescu: heh k. do the lucky undergrads have to write anything on their tits ?
thestringpuller: i should go to MIT and start a drug business with bitcoin since they've already seeded the coins
thestringpuller: or underage alcohol acquisition
thestringpuller: and no allt he lucky undergrads have to do is be at MIT
asciilifeform: all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse << nah. yours truly, for instance, has pulse, but will not be invited to speak there. etc
mircea_popescu: you don't understand. A PULSE. that's it.
mircea_popescu: your problem is the excess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2964 @ 0.00075136 = 2.227 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so here's a clients from hell idea. art guy sent me proofs for eulora flora/fauna, i could send him an email going
mircea_popescu: "people around the office have seen your drafts, and they have proved very divisive. people can not agree on which are good or better and there have even been arguments. this sort of subversive activity is completely inappropriate for an office setting. i would like you to complete a sensitivity training course for art people."
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow. < just learn their sekrits
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ok, teach me obikako
kakobrekla: 1. weekly updates.
kakobrekla: i dont need to go to nb 2 eh
kakobrekla: but seriously, its cheap, for the masses as they stupidly want.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13335 @ 0.000751 = 10.0146 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: like discussed earlier.
kakobrekla: > there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" < does not out by itself, you need to extract the value out
mircea_popescu does the international jewish hand gesture.
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kakobrekla: you asked .
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 467.21, Best ask: 467.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 467.82, 24 hour volume: 5761.32276708, 24 hour low: 465.31, 24 hour high: 476.64, 24 hour vwap: 470.778225626
ben_vulpes: when's this ether dump?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc.
mircea_popescu: ;;google i will gladly repay you on thursday for an ethereum today
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mircea_popescu: how quickly pop culture forgets.
kakobrekla: its not the whole receptive, but key ingredient.
kakobrekla: recepie
kakobrekla: autowrong.
mircea_popescu: recipe :D
kakobrekla: not if its for a pie
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, this is the XXVIIIth edition of our show, How Romanian Is Better Than You! Welcome! today, the word tiz.
mircea_popescu: in romanian, all people with the same first name share a relationship. they're each other's tiz (read exactly like tease).
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, all people fucking the same woman also share a relationship. they're sogori
mircea_popescu: so there's a town of sogortiz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from
mircea_popescu: today's edition of HRIBTY! brought to you by our sponsors, xaomi and gogerty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, those are the people who suckled the same teat as infants.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to blood brothers, people that did this bizarre knifeplay thing in adolescence
mircea_popescu: or i guess prison.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to mother and school - yes. but the term got recycled for that other thing.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc. < you know, just ask the chumpatrons.
mircea_popescu: well blood brothers got recycled for gayzors too, but hey. we're purists over here at HRIBTY!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla problem is all failed chumpatrons claim to have been successful.
mircea_popescu: before it went under, myspace was like whatever, ah so powerful.
kakobrekla: an eagle may not learn from the crow, but humans have learned from others better.
mircea_popescu: a decade ago digg was doing everything reddit is doing today and "winning"
mircea_popescu: i dun particularly wish to learn how to give a very convincing representation of success for a very brief interval.
kakobrekla: since when are we on 'representation'
kakobrekla: how do you measure success
mircea_popescu: i know ;/
ben_vulpes: just look at how dissimilar those under measure are from me
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hm ?
ben_vulpes: bah nm
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from << Around these parts the term Eskimo Brother is used
mircea_popescu: oh, also, let's do a Romanian Surprisingly Sucks! show. so, romanian does not distinguish between niece (nepoata) and grand daughter (nepoata).
mircea_popescu: nor between throat (git) and neck (git). nor between fingers and toes.
mircea_popescu: it does distinguish underage or unexcited cock (puta) from proper cock (pula), but it does not distinguish underage cock from underage cunt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: russian - leg==foot, finger==toe
mircea_popescu: romanian tries this foot = laba piciorului, ie leg's paw
mircea_popescu: but in practice it's too long for anyone to bother
mircea_popescu: technically arm = brat ; hand = mina but in practice nobody even knows what brat is
kakobrekla: as sad as it might be, i dont think a nice package ever hurt a good product?
mircea_popescu: how about the early macs ?
mircea_popescu: good product, nice package, went nowhere
midnightmagic: Is the language falling into disuse then in its complexities? Like is it simplifying over time?
kakobrekla: cause of package?
kakobrekla: maybe the package wasnt nice?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic this is a universal phenomenon, since the media heavily favours the more easily influenced members of a population, and they tend to be young, the media discourse then tends to focus on the linguistic abilities of noob speakers.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla better than competitors at time im sure.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It is universal; some languages are resistant to it, for various reasons. There are some theories on that based around a language's resilience and flexibility, but I thought the population speaking Romanian was large enough to preserve it. It's pretty unfortunate if that's not so. :(
mircea_popescu: romanian is the most flexible language i've ever heard.
mircea_popescu: its defense comes from exactly this flexibility, it's basically a hardened whore. you can abuse it any way you please, for as long as you please,
mircea_popescu: in the end it'll be just fine.
mircea_popescu: takes a shower pretends to be 16 again.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform , expert in this field, did early macs suffer because of their supposed nice package?
mircea_popescu: i thought diametric was teh expert in early macs :D
midnightmagic: Ah. So you're just complaining about how nobody's learning and using its (still-preserved) complexities these days because $stupid_youth..?
rithm is an expert at the apple II/e, the last Apple product he owned
kakobrekla: well then diametric can answer.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i just made a passing remark :) the way the stupid youth ends up apt is through running into these scattered about.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: package being what? ui? in a way, they did. recall why ibm pc - similarly costly - ran over the early macs, despite technical inferiority in every sense.
rithm: my ubuntu desktop just took a total shit from 12.04 to 14.04 and do-release-upgrade
rithm: if that's remotely topical
rithm: macs suck
kakobrekla: i wouldnt limit it to ui but ill take the answer.
mircea_popescu: even the physical machine was nicer
mircea_popescu: in a "better design" sense
kakobrekla: still we are at one, potential case here.
mircea_popescu: early pcs were a nightmare
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla all i need to dispel a universal negative is one example :)
mike_c: BingoBoingo: is this a new discovery for you? I used to love it when HST was writing for page 2
mike_c: there was another good guy who died.
rithm: i know how to open terminal on a mac, though...so that's one thing it has going for it
mike_c: ralph wiley i think
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It's a discovery that ESPN still has this stuff online.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu dont worry, the next question is did it hurt more than half.
mike_c: page2 used to be really good. then the good writers died and it turned to crap.
asciilifeform: rithm: mac in question here is circa mid-1980s. different animal.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I see. Just curious. I know nothing about Romanian, sadly, but I love the weird incompatible concepts that seem to pervade languages like tlingit..
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what is this supposed to be, business ?!
kakobrekla: i thought it was guessing games.
rithm: i only had the II/e
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but you speak french ?
rithm: never an actual macintosh with tetris
rithm: we had those in high school
asciilifeform: rithm: II/e - not a mac
rithm: they were good for tetris iirc
rithm: the actual macintosh classics
rithm: it was the original .ru socialist teris too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mac did not fit the cargo-cult spec - defined by ibm, naturally - of 'feeling businessy' - and therefore yes, did suffer from 'nice package.'
mircea_popescu: which is the substance of the disagreement with kako i suspect.
mircea_popescu: i am not willing to allow the "feeling usg-y, feeling fiat-y" package no matter the cost.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I can speak it well enough to order a beer, buy groceries, and insult the locals, with a halfway bastardized accent between parisian and quebecois, and I can hear it enough to get about 70% of radio broadcasts and conversational (polite) parisian french, and about 30% of slangy quebecois..
mircea_popescu: they have to start feeling bitcoin-y if i have to personally strangle every single andreas out there.
rithm: i'm only about 25% french reading and hearing
midnightmagic: can I pay to watch that?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic so then you know a lot about romanian, same latin structure and very close use of voice
rithm: je n'aime pas le poisson
midnightmagic: ah, cool then.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you don't have to pay to be on b-a yet.
kakobrekla: also the problem with apple example: bitcoin had a market cap of only a few grand or w/e in 2011. despite being the superior tech solution.
mircea_popescu: why is 2011 the cutoff ?
kakobrekla: why is early mac cutoff?
mircea_popescu: and in 2011 bitcoin was the superior tech solution to a wet sock.
rithm: 2012 was more fun
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was discussing the actual product, not the company.
kakobrekla: meh, take the current mkt cap for all i care
kakobrekla: still peanuts.
mircea_popescu: for all i care you can take early macs marketshare in 2011 if it pleases you
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: it is important to remember that mac product actually died. it is deader than many other dead things, even, because got hollowed out and taxidermied.
kakobrekla: bitcoin is a product as early mac is a product
kakobrekla: none of those are a company
mircea_popescu: not really.
mircea_popescu: electricity isn't a product even if it isn't a company.
rithm: but like bitcoin 2011 is like mac classic and 2012 is like imac
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a natural phenomenon.
kakobrekla: but you can measure bitcoin in sold units
mircea_popescu: you can measure love in sold units as well.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: current 'mac os' product is actually 'nextstep' with a new graphical skin.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform the UI lived on right ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i (and perhaps BingoBoingo) would argue that ui disappeared.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm with you, that ui died.
mircea_popescu: and it didn't die because it was either a bad product or badly packaged.
kakobrekla: ok then, no ui, <mircea_popescu> in a "better design" sense
kakobrekla: that.
mircea_popescu: it died for the exact reason the usg will die, no matter how it packages itself, no matter how it argues for its own goodness.
BingoBoingo: The original Mac UI died before even Hypercard
mircea_popescu: it will die because the people that matter dun like its mug.
asciilifeform: /me confesses that he liked it. and recently dug up a mac laptop circa 1999, and enjoyed playing with it.
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mircea_popescu: germany is such a hellhole for monopolistic cab practices
mircea_popescu: kinda why i never lived there, actually.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Did you have the chance to play with "At Ease" on your Mac?
mircea_popescu: some competition'd be spelndid for them
mircea_popescu: "Generals and military scholars will tell you that eight or 10 years is actually not such a long time in the span of human history -- which is no doubt true -- but history also tells us that 10 years of martial law and a war-time economy are going to feel like a Lifetime to people who are in their twenties today. The poor bastards of what will forever be known as Generation Z are doomed to be the first generation of Am
mircea_popescu: ericans who will grow up with a lower standard of living than their parents enjoyed."
mircea_popescu: that drughead is remarkable in that while being wrong on each and every twist and turn, he's globally right with clockwork regularity.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> no, i'm with you, that ui died. < well every ui so far died. gui however did not.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There probably a label used for that condition somewhere in the USG, something as an analogue to the soviet "Slowly Progressing Schizophrenia"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla depending what you mean by "gui" in that snese, cli is a gui. itdoesn't make beeps after all.
kakobrekla: you browse web with lynx?
kakobrekla: bah bad example, that is too much gui
mircea_popescu: bitbet is totally gui for that matter.
mircea_popescu: to the degree someone had to make a proper nongui interface.
kakobrekla: proper cause?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the solution to the "gui problem" is not to resolve the gui problem but to let it resolve itself. whoever wants a different gui should be supported to make it. skins are too little too high up, but still the right idea.
kakobrekla: how do you measure properness?
mircea_popescu: everyone his own gui is how nature works
mircea_popescu: the interface is called interface for a reason, and to specify it as part of the product is akin to the peacock coming with a set of eyes to look at it with.
mircea_popescu: bring your own eyes.
mircea_popescu: browsers are notably going very far on this basic line, with a "your css" rather than "website's css" approach
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The20YearIRCloud: is there a bitbet yet for more NFL beatings?
mircea_popescu: doubt it
ben_vulpes remembers when macos skinning was a thing
ben_vulpes: barely
kakobrekla never has apple product
kakobrekla: has ? had.
kakobrekla: nor did any of my ex gf
kakobrekla: such turnoff.
The20YearIRCloud: i had a iphone for about a month
The20YearIRCloud: sold it for double what i paid, so I was happy
kakobrekla: you should ipo or something
mircea_popescu: i actually got an ipad for checking their market
mircea_popescu: the thing is such a waste. if it weren't made by idiots it could have been surprisinglky cool.
mircea_popescu: honestly i think tablets will suffer a foss revival much like the pc did.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean the techs that made it were idiots, they were competent. i mean their managers were idiots)
kakobrekla: if mp were the manager, the thing would be surprisinglky cool, no colors supported, cost 18k usd and sold 88 pcs.
kakobrekla: this thing is not made by stupid managers, its made for stupid people.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if the thing were made by me you wouldn't have the retarded "this is facebook running on javascript" game market, and the "this is unextensible" view.
mircea_popescu: make the tablet so you can hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends.
mircea_popescu: not so hard.
mircea_popescu: 4 people, flatscreen tv
mircea_popescu: make the tablet so you can put it into a robot. make your own dog, make your own buzz lightyear, make your own fucktoy.
mircea_popescu: the tablet being basically a portable head to attach to anything you want.
kakobrekla: yeah, pretty much what i said.
mircea_popescu: serve the deeply seated human thirst for anthropomorphising
mircea_popescu: and it wouldn't cost 18k either.
mircea_popescu: it'd cost the same 500 or w/e.
hanbot: ipad's just an ebook reader imo
mircea_popescu: the actually functioning touchscreen is the big challenge there, and they solved that. the rest is just trims.
mircea_popescu: hanbot yes, because managerial incompetence.
mircea_popescu: "o, we're going to change the world, watch us make gunpowder fireworks that change the world oooohhh"
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mircea_popescu: the moral being, beat your children. if they don't know how to hate they don't know how to matter.
kakobrekla: 200+ million ipads sold, such poor managers.
mircea_popescu: listen here, you know what else sold 200mn ? that shitty japanese electronic toy thing.
mircea_popescu: you know which ?
mircea_popescu: me either.
ben_vulpes: tamagotchi?
kakobrekla: dat thing is rad.
mircea_popescu: toothbrushes sell by the billion. what sort of argument is this.
ben_vulpes: i want a portable compute object that plugs into the work station, home station, robot-grocery-carrying-thing
hanbot: mircea_popescu i don't think it's that simple, most people "beating their children" would likely result in the kids hating their parents rather than hating fucking up
mircea_popescu: i imagine 50 million billion trillion chickpeas sold since the dawn of agriculture.
hanbot: not much of a lesson there.
mircea_popescu: hanbot just as long as it's something.
kakobrekla: yes totally poor managers.
hanbot: yeah, well, ipad is *something*, like i said :D
mircea_popescu: the chickpeas you mean ?
kakobrekla: toothbrush and chickpeas are actually useful and needed
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and that has a very faint but almost identifiable personality.
kakobrekla: you cant mix it all in one bag
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sale volumes are no indication of management competence.
kakobrekla: well it could suck 200 mio more.
mircea_popescu: how are chickpeas needed anyway. you ever ate any ?
hanbot needs chickpeas
mircea_popescu: well yes you. but i am asking him
mircea_popescu: i bet you he doesn't even know what they are :D
kakobrekla: but i also dont use apples.
mircea_popescu: or girls
hanbot: they're wrong potatoes improperly fried, right?
mircea_popescu: hanbot no that's papafritas.
mircea_popescu: these are garbanzos
mircea_popescu: $conference
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends << verboten, order of usg dept. of copyrasty (riaa/mpaa/etc)
mircea_popescu: who asked them anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who asked them << presumably, apple corp. legal dept.
mircea_popescu: yes well. i am not interested in buying technology made by legal depts.
mircea_popescu: unfortunately the way this works, just exactly when apple grew big enough to fight and win,
mircea_popescu: jobs died.
mircea_popescu: had he not died, he'd have been old and by then formatted.
mircea_popescu: but 1965 jobs'd have said exactly the above.
mircea_popescu: instead he wasted his time fighting idiotic union wars.
mircea_popescu: "o let's push bezos into not paying engineers we shouldn't have hired salaries they shouldn't get anyway"
mircea_popescu: instead of selling diy robots and wall attachment accessories, they tried to make money selling a longer proprietary power cable.
mircea_popescu: ridoinkulous.
mircea_popescu: there should not have existed a raspberry pi if apple had a twinkle of a clue.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bad example, 'pi' is a pseudo-open turd
mircea_popescu: and the cardano should have been implemented on the apple ipad. "just make sure you run it on battery"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the pi as it claims, i mean, not the pi as it is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: if you keep laughing at me ima summon pesto.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: steve jobs - as described in my 'hypercard' piece - was a master of chumpatronics, not of electronics. when he returned from exile, he zapped pretty much all r&d personnel, killed every project, smart or foolish, replaced all apple tech with repainted 'next'.
mircea_popescu: put it in context.
mircea_popescu: the incredibly cheeky engineers in question had the unmitigated audacity to outs him from his own company because "they're merituous"
mircea_popescu: i'd have fired them all too, and impaled a few, extra.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr jobs is credited with resurrecting the company, but he actually strangled it and turned the taxidermied skin into a kind of animatronic dinosaur.
mircea_popescu: moral being, tech nec ultra keyboardam
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ousted by engineers? afaik it was his immediate subordinates who coordinated his ouster, a la khruschev
mircea_popescu: breaking the barrier between "what we're doing" and "how we're doing it" is unhealthy in all cases
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but they were engineers weren't they ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: engineers? on the board ?
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mircea_popescu: twasnt the board, wasn't it bitching about how the office was going to be ?
mircea_popescu: well sculley is making it all about himself, but no, my (not necessarily very valuable) understanding is that endless friction with various engineering teams over the 80s eventually bubbled up into it
BingoBoingo: I was under the impression the board wanted to turn "IBM" hence a few years of Sears selling "Mac Clones"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that came later.
mircea_popescu: that was more like "ok we're screwed, how do we pretend this wasn't a terrible mistake"
BingoBoingo: Sure, but cum follow desire
mircea_popescu: !up qq1932
qq1932: hi, mircea
qq1932: I asked you to self-qualify on a basic physics level in PM. Depending on your answer, may have an interesting proposition for you. Unlike the two outside ventures, I am acutally prepared to share 100% of this (privately, due to IP considerations) because it is a discretionary project for me.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i don't do private anything with people i don't know.
asciilifeform: welcome back mr. spam!
fluffypony: qq1932: make him sign an NDA
fluffypony: otherwise he'll steal your idea and enrich himself and his cronies
mircea_popescu: i only sign nda's with blonde german chicks.
fluffypony: true story
qq1932: There is no spam here. I have a remarkable discretionary project. It is open to people who self-qualify as understnading enough high-school physics that, for example, they could have understood the steam engine in 1500. (Or the Watt engine in 1700, 70 years earlier.)
mircea_popescu: and i mean literally. i place a bunch of blonde krautzettes in the shape of my signature on a lawn in which the nda was cut.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm going to infer Angela was the blond
qq1932: Note that energy is a RIPE field for actual scams. This is open to someone self-qualifying as having enough basic high-school physics understanding to see the distinction.
The20YearIRCloud: qq1932: does your project involve time travel?
BingoBoingo: qq1932: Is this the flappy plane idea?
qq1932: No. It involves literally no unusual principles.
mircea_popescu: qq1932 dude, there's a major difference between "highschool understanding" of any topic and fundamental understanding of such outstanding quality as to recognise fundamentally correct but contemporaneously obscure advances.
fluffypony: is this a lubrication project?
kakobrekla: The20YearIRCloud that actually works.
mircea_popescu: this is why fundamental mathematics only started in 1800.
mircea_popescu: ie, ten fucking millenia after it begun its journey
The20YearIRCloud: he has time travel that works? THen really, really sign me up
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud tthe problem with it is that it only works one way, and at a fixed speed.
fluffypony: I'm interested in this self-qualification
fluffypony: does it involve hookers and / or blackjack?
fluffypony: because I can do either
punkman: do they still have physics in US high schools?
The20YearIRCloud: yes punkman
mircea_popescu: punkman it's women's physics nao.
BingoBoingo: qq1932: Why do you need a new nick everytime you come here?
qq1932: mircea, excuse me, I was in PM with BingoBoingo briefly.
mircea_popescu: make sure you let me know if you pee, too.
fluffypony: I was in a pm with BingoBoingo briefly too
fluffypony: but it didn't work out
fluffypony: it's not him, it's me
mircea_popescu: !up flibbr-dev
mircea_popescu: fluffypony maybe you were in pms with bb
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I disagree with you that it always takes much more than "highschool understanding" of any topic to recognize fundamental innovations that eluded people. In fact, this is the reason a lot of people think the "obvious" bar is too low and no patents should be granted . I had someone tell me that there is no fundamental innovation of any kind in the past 200 years that was not "obvious".
mircea_popescu: good for that someone.
fluffypony: my rap music isn't obvious
fluffypony: mostly becuse it doesn't exist
The20YearIRCloud: lots of people are like that qq1932 , those are the people that rarely amount to anything
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the time honored tradition of con artistry is to flatter people who are too stupid to understand how stupid they are by making this confusion, between "highschool understanding" as required to understand well known and widely understood topics, and extremely advanced fundamental understanding required to understand similarly just as simple, but not widely known topics.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I can understand this but in this particular case the principles are no more advanced (by comparison) than the Watt steam engine at the time. It's a different field, this is an analogy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the time honored tradition of con artistry << i call this '10th dimension-ism' in honour of a particularly egregious web-based psycholoscamz0r.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I agree with what you're saying, and most innovations in, e.g. battery technology, or fusion reactor design, and so forth, are far too difficult for anyone other than a non-expert to evaluate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform worked on the same premise ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: precisely same. diddles the mark's 'feeling educatickled' receptors.
qq1932: Basically, I agree with you. At any rate anyone who is interested in hearing in this needs to self-qualify as having enough understanding of basic high-school physics that they actually could have understood the Watt steam engine 70 years early, if Watt had described it. If you self-qualify (it sounds, mircea_popescu, that your answer is no) we can discuss. This is a totally discretionary project.
mircea_popescu: works really well picking up women, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: qq1932 what is a "discretionary project" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: works well << yes! 'tell me again about the waters of your homeworld.' ('Dune'.)
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I have not committed any resources to it, and cannot commit to full-time work on it; I have two major existing outside commitments. I may not do the project at all.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: this means, however, that I am at liberty to share 100% of it within hte limits of what IP law permits (as this is a licensing play, like Watt's engine).
qq1932: mircea_popescu: there is no "secret" component to this, I don't need to hold anything back. Of course, that only matters to those self-qualifying as having enough understnading to discriminate between the Watt's steam engine 70 years early (1700) and snake oil.
mircea_popescu: dude, let me tell you something to help your head calibrate yourself. i recently wrote to a famous illustrator, whose work is celebrated by an actual fanbase and included in successful franchises. he committed, on the basis of that conversation, and the whole thing is costing me bitcoin fractions so far.
mircea_popescu: you are not in the position to even remotely as a joke consider anything but slavish 100% dedication 16 hours a day with no sundays
mircea_popescu: for no pay whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: maybe, and i say MAYBE jobs can come up with "o i dunno, mebbe i feel like working on it" sorta deals
qq1932: mircea_popescu: well, I am not in a position to drop my other projects to pursue this discretionary project.
mircea_popescu: so then your problem's solved right there.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: the other projects hvae employees, progress, etc.
mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : harems are for lords.
bounce: pfft. guys, youse got it all rong
mircea_popescu: plebs get one wife, and love her to death.
mircea_popescu: and that IF they're lucky.
mircea_popescu: now s/woman/idea and you get the idea.
bounce: this project needs self realisation. with, of course, copious fees to dear supplicant to make that all happen.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I realize that you have self-qualified above with "no". I do not want to convince you based on appeals to authority, collaborators, third-party things, etc. This is a suitable partnership with someone who would self-qualify as 'yes' to the above question. Thank you however.
mircea_popescu: bounce you got previous exposure ?
bounce: it's just updated for the modern age with some ancient-sounding modern physics. best of all worlds, see?
bounce: fuck no, I just got bored of the repetetetetetetetetive sales pitch.
kakobrekla: there are more groups trying to build that scam than there parts needed to supposedly make it.
mircea_popescu: qq1932 i didn't selfanything dood. this ain't about me.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I don't know how else to put this. I want to pitch just someone who has the level of physics understanding that they would have understood and funded the Watt engine (as an IP play, which is what it was) in 1700 (70 years early.)
bounce: show of hands. is anybody amused by the pitch? does it anything for you at all?
qq1932: There is no pitch so far ,sorry.
punkman: reminds me of broken bird
mircea_popescu: this is like free talk therapy.
mircea_popescu: i would submit that the worst invention of the 20th century was not the a bomb, nor the concentration camp, nor statal racism
kakobrekla: if only you could harvest the energy of people trying to make this happen.
mircea_popescu: but the god damned idea that politeness is something that may be afforded to the horde.
qq1932: It might not be the right audience. I've had interest in other places, but they did not have money. However, I would not like to refer to them, I would really only pitch this specific project, in full, to someone who thinks they have the background, specifically in basic physics.
bounce: .oO( spinning dead energy generation )
mircea_popescu: now they're all going about calling each other sir and acting as if they're fucking people. it's a sickening display.
mircea_popescu: then a generation down the road, you get this derpage.
qq1932: Would anyone else self-qualify as yes to my question?
bounce: much misreading of audience. wow.
qq1932: People can decide who they are and what they're interested in.
mircea_popescu: i'm off to read romanian seduction websites, bbl.
kakobrekla: (in a gui)
los_pantalones: so is this non-pitch pitch gonna happen or it's only private shows ?
fluffypony: I was hoping for dinner and a show
fluffypony: but alas
qq1932: los pantalones - I'm afraid nobody has self-qualified as yes to this, so it is not.
qq1932: but thank you for your time guys.
los_pantalones: RagnarDanneskjol did
qq1932: oh, I thought he was agreeing with bounce.
los_pantalones: suppose that's possible as well
RagnarDanneskjol: I know physics sure. whatchu got man
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qq1932: here's the deal guys. if you google >patents public disclosure< you will see that there are limits to what can be said in a public channel, since I do not plan on entering the manufacturing field of the project. privately after a brief agreement I can and am happy to share 100%. tihs is part of why I need someone who would self-qualify as being able to discriminate and, e.g., understand the Watt steam engine in 1700.
bounce: too indirect, sorry.
qq1932: This project is discretionary for me and if I don't find a backer based on this pre-qualificaiton then it is not happening. I have two other outside commitments that are very serious.
bounce: then it isn't happening. not impressed. sorry.
RagnarDanneskjol: i'll pass thanks
qq1932: it's okay. Nobody has self-qualified. Without the self-qualification, it 100% sounds like a scam. But then, so would the Watt steam engine.
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RagnarDanneskjol: !down qq1932
mircea_popescu: "Guilt is sexy. You can really only talk dirty to a person if you have been blessed with guilt."
bounce: also, you're now thoroughly in the "waste of time" bucket by saying the same vapid things five times in a row. of course, our fault. so sorry.
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nubbins`: did you get my message re: shirts?
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thestringpuller: one second
nubbins`: the fonts in the .ai file weren't outlined, and i don't have the fonts on my system
nubbins`: so your trademark "TM" thing shows up as Arial, dead-center
nubbins`: which i'm assuming is not what you want
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mircea_popescu: "I had this notion that it would be interesting to meet people from all around the world and show them Galway, but most of the visitors we got were extremely boring eastern Europeans who kept their food in a separate plastic bag and got up early to do yoga."
mircea_popescu: apparently couch surfing isn't all it's cracked up to be
thestringpuller: nubbins` yea i can't get in contact with the designer. He's being really sensitive right now.
thestringpuller: So can you put production on pause for 48 hours?
thestringpuller: until I can resolve this?
nubbins`: no rush on my end :)
thestringpuller: of course :)
thestringpuller: but there is on mine as I might be able to get these into Zumiez
nubbins`: anyway, we're ready whenever. shirts are here, films are printed. should be in the mail within 24h of getting the graphic sorted
nubbins`: i also emailed your buddy the same info fwiw
thestringpuller: yea the buddy is annoying me
thestringpuller: kinda wants to put up a silent treatment and waste my and your time ;)
thestringpuller: when did you email him btw?
mircea_popescu: re kako's "cost 18k usd" thing : a financial economy has one benefit exactly, and that is, making the price point not a consideration anymore.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact people can and do spend 18k just on financing for a car they don't need (either because they live in ny, or because it'd be the 3rd family car etc)
mircea_popescu: the only consideration is if the thing actually costs 18k to make (cars don't really, but the mess of "safety" and "environmental" regulations make the "car" as defined actulaly cost a lot to make)
mircea_popescu: in fact items as expensive as 50k are consumer products just fine, because of the finance economy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.195 = 0.78 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: all you really need to do is make life appear unworth living without your 18k tablet, for guaranteed sales well north of 1.8 trillion
asciilifeform would much rather see computer cost (and worth) 50k then wheeled coffin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely, i'm not saying barriers must go.
mircea_popescu: the problem of course is the converse situation : products like the btc, wot or gpg, without which life ACTUALLY IS not worth living
mircea_popescu: but which SEEM exactly the contrary.
asciilifeform catches up with log, reads the latest mr. spam, and wonders if he's the only one here familiar with traditional 'агентурная работа' tradecraft. i.e. why the bugger wants you (for some value of 'you') alone, in dark alley, and feeling warm & special & 'pre-qualified.'
asciilifeform: and what his plan is for the recruited chump.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform atm just unit testing, im sure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so classic and textbook, though, it's riotously funny
bounce: no idea about the (probably) cyrillic, but the tactic was pretty obvious down to boring me to tears
bounce: would 'pre-approved for self-qualification' make a decent shirt somehow?
asciilifeform: bounce: the term 'agent work.' refers to how traitors are traditionally recruited by the masters of the 20th century - totalitarian intelligence agencies. (and, arguably, every intelligence worker since cave man)
mircea_popescu: bounce : agenturnaya rabota
mircea_popescu: suddenly transparent
mircea_popescu: russians having invented robots, they get the benefit of seeing things like "worker worker" whenever someone has a worker robot in a game or somewhere.
asciilifeform: czechs.
mircea_popescu: same difference. small small russians right ?
mircea_popescu: ukrainians ^ -1
bounce: on the note of nigerian scammers deliberately writing horrible ingrish to filter out the chumps... what'd the successful scam ratings do if the regulars in -otc would manage to write well-punctuated correct english?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in exactly same sense clit is micropenis
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your idea of teh bohemian kingdom ?
mircea_popescu: bounce make a new -otc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: habsburg affair, doesn't smell very slavic to me
mircea_popescu: because the current one "wrongly vaporized" or w/e was gmaxwell's expression.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well what, germans ?!
bounce: o_O?
asciilifeform: germans.
mircea_popescu: in that case lombards are germans too ?!
mircea_popescu: your idea of germanity is perhaps very similar to napoleon's
mircea_popescu: "well they're not corsicans, i'll tell you that! so..."
asciilifeform: orcs vs humans!
bounce: cheesy argument
asciilifeform: agenturnaya rabota >> in english lands, called, afaik, 'HUMINT.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform funny linguistic trainwreck : during the early 1990s, the leftover us derps tried to organise the maidan thing in romania too. it was called "miscarea piata universitatii", dunno why the fixation on "plaza" in the name.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simple heuristic. folks who incorrigibly piss in apartment lobbies, elevators - 'orcs.' those who don't - 'humans', or 'germans' if you like.
mircea_popescu: it failed horribly, the cryptocommie in charge brought some miners from mining country to beat the shit out of the "intellectuals" and assorted aggitators
asciilifeform: aha 'colour revolution.'
bounce: HUMINT is anything to do with running human agents
mircea_popescu: but, on his tv address, he blamed "foreign agenturas", ie, agenturile straine
asciilifeform: bounce: yes.
bounce: google books really excels in being fscking useless
mircea_popescu: which is ridiculous, because in romanian that says "the russians" which were his backers mostly.
asciilifeform: bounce: but before you can 'run' them, have to recruit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your pissing theory is weak because singapore went from one to the other over one generation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not necessarily a zapped theory, just needs a little 'epicycle.' that being: orc and human exist in dynamic equilibrium; 'orcish' land has a trace element of 'human' and vice versa
asciilifeform: so they can in principle flip.
asciilifeform: even without an anthropological 'cleaning' (read megadeath)
mircea_popescu: same people tho.
chetty: asciilifeform, whats the russian word for germans actually mean?
mircea_popescu: basically it masquerades as an ontology when it's merely phenomenology is my objection.
mircea_popescu: nemtzi ?
asciilifeform: chetty, mircea_popescu: 'the mute people'
chetty: :P
asciilifeform: think origins of word 'barbarian'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, as far as romanians are concerned, russians (muscali) have tails.
mircea_popescu: ;;google muscali cu coada
gribble: Calare pe melc: <http://calarepemelc.ro/>; Prea multe urlete Mercantia 2014- vlog ! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilLxHrZJ8sU>; Dan Constantin Soroiu | Facebook: <https://ro-ro.facebook.com/danconstantin.soroiu>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: москали, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ukrs lifted it, too
asciilifeform: but it also is used by provincial folks to gripe about the capital & the central gov. in general. approx. 'damned muscovites'
asciilifeform: same as how many people in usa refer to usg tentacle monster as 'washington'
asciilifeform: even though in reality it is reasonably spread out geographically
mircea_popescu: maryland doesn't have the same ring to it
mircea_popescu: and it'd be hostile to women
chetty: I suppose we are doing the same thing with things like libtards
mircea_popescu: similarly to how noobs and "journalist" derps talk of wall street
mircea_popescu: when it's really connecticut and hampton
bounce: "liberal" sounds right-wing to me, as in non-labour. but then, us politics are right-shifted compared to pinko-commie treehugging yurpeen politics.
mircea_popescu: my peen is righter shifted than your peen
bounce: (how ironic that the USA effectively has a single party left. alright, two names and a dissident faction, but the politics are still muchly one party.)
mircea_popescu: not particularly ironic
mircea_popescu: all places devoid of property end up with a state-party system
asciilifeform: ;;google palace economies
gribble: Palace economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_economy>; "Palace economy" In: The Encyclopedia of Ancient History: <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781444338386.wbeah06237/pdf>; Redistribution in Aegean Palatial Societies | American Journal of ...: <http://www.ajaonline.org/forum/905>
mircea_popescu: such a primitive arrangement even keynesianism is an improvement
chetty: <mircea_popescu> such a primitive arrangement even keynesianism is an improvement//cough cough choke
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: civilopaedia! 'you have developed Monarchy! can now move on from Despotism.'
bounce: what makes a palace economy? >50% of the population on the dole?
mircea_popescu: that end up is not even correct. they are. pretense to the contrary won't long endure.
mircea_popescu: bounce know anyone that did fundamental research on his own account since ww2 ?
asciilifeform: bounce: palace economy is any system where the crown is the (or even 'a') first-class financial, economic, cultural - player.
asciilifeform: but literally - anywhere goods are delivered mainly to - and distributed mainly from - the palace.
bounce: wikipedia says we left the last of those behind in the bronze age. so if the argument goes those things are still around (and they could well be, the eu likes this too for one) then we still need a useful classifier
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well, who feeds the wikipedos?
bounce: little wikichildren nobody thinks about
BingoBoingo: No, that's what they are fed.
BingoBoingo: ;;google wikipedia "Suite A"
gribble: NSA Suite A Cryptography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_Suite_A_Cryptography>; Suite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite>; Suite (music) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite_(music)>
bounce: oh, our physics peddler is taking it to -otc
assbot: The Coinbase Blog Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers
BingoBoingo: Interesting kakobrekla
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 232 @ 0.18361788 = 42.5993 BTC [-] {8}
kakobrekla: good part: works w/o bitcoind
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Also it seems to not have its own wallt implementation, or at least the press release doesn't mention one which is a plus.
kakobrekla: no wallet.
BingoBoingo: Always nice to have more node options that don't care where the transactions they push come from
thestringpuller: "nodes without wallets"
thestringpuller: like "reporters without borders"
kdomanski: ;;ud sneaky rafiki
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneaky%20Rafiki | Jan 6, 2008 ... Guy 1: Dude I gave Jess a sneaky rafiki last night! Guy 2: ...... That's fucked up man.. *gives huge high five*. by dirty old man dan March 18, ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00196998 = 0.5417 BTC [-]
jurov: <mircea_popescu> ... make your own fucktoy << you know,this reviled IBM PC was practically opensource and fully extensible hardware
jurov: even the most complicated part of it , the [234]86 was independently replicated
jurov: you see for youself what happened to it anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00074945 = 11.8413 BTC [-]
jurov: 'the mute people'<< same here, additionally "šváb" (Swabian) and "rus" (Russian) are both widely names for cockroach species
jurov: *widely used
jurov: Swabians vaguely means Germans
jurov: lol actually there is more
kakobrekla: švab is german here also.
jurov: Šváb obyčajný = Blatta orientalis
jurov: Rus domový= Blatella germanica (wtf)
jurov: and of course Šváb americký = Periplaneta americana
jurov: so, both east (near and far) and west got equal recognition.
TheNewDeal: curious to see if anyone knows how http://bitcoincharts.com/ calculates network hashrate. Looked around a little and couldnt find the answer
assbot: Bitcoin Charts
mike_c: kakobrekla: is toshi what was/is powering blockr?
kakobrekla: mike_c nope
mircea_popescu: soo, i went to check out this bitcoin embassy thing
mircea_popescu: anyone want to see pictures ?
BingoBoingo: Sure, isn't this what Trilema's for?
mircea_popescu: jurov> you see for youself what happened to it anyway. << it took over and set the course of computer history ?
jurov: yes. and everyone hates it
assbot: Fan death - Encyclopedia Dramatica
mircea_popescu: lol the american svab. not bad.
asciilifeform: jurov: we had 'prussian' roaches.
mircea_popescu: jurov not being hated is a slave's aspiration.
jurov: yes, but still it clouds judgment of people like asciilifeform
jurov: if i understand him cirrectly, ibm pc destroyed better architectures
asciilifeform: jurov: nope.
asciilifeform: the maggots are rarely the murder weapon.
jurov: maggots.
BingoBoingo: Often the maggots seem like their are try to help. "Oh here's some necrotic tissue to debride!"
jurov: mircea see? which manager is going to do such thing, only to get it labeled maggots by his peers?
asciilifeform: jurov: x86 is not scar tissue because it is popular, but because it genuinely sucks, and sucked from day 1 compared to virtually all known alternatives.
mircea_popescu: a peerless one ?
jurov: only peerless one
mircea_popescu: !up Uohz_
jurov: i now have better understanding why jobs had to humiliate engineers to get what he wanted
mircea_popescu: do tell?
jurov: As early as 1987, the New York Times wrote: "by the early 80's, Mr. Jobs was widely hated at Apple. Senior management had to endure his temper tantrums. He created resentment among employees by turning some into stars and insulting others, often reducing them to tears. Mr. Jobs himself would frequently cry after fights with fellow executives".
mircea_popescu: oh, so sculley wasn't telling it like it was huh.
mike_c: elmo had four ducks
asciilifeform: Mr. Jobs himself would frequently cry << gotta be a hatchet job
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell X-Rob How are the stats on chalbersma's pool looking? http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/
assbot: P2Pool
gribble: The operation succeeded.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: I can try aiming there again if you want
X-Rob: let's have a look
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Might as well.
X-Rob: share difficulty of 188 is still going to be bad
X-Rob: but, let's see what happens
BingoBoingo: Your hash should drive it up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.18481285 = 2.5874 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: I've also only got a bit more than 22 hours of rented hash left
BingoBoingo: Hopefully this thing plays well with different workers mining to the same address.
X-Rob: OK, that's better. It's now accepting shares at 1024 when I ask it to
X-Rob: it's still resetting every couple of seconds, but, that's just how p2pool works
X-Rob: it appears to be better
X-Rob: albiet still sub-optimal
X-Rob: but that'
X-Rob: s a p2pool limitation now
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: But still, more transparent than alternatives. When chalbersma get on feel free to suggest some optimizations if you can think of any.
X-Rob: there aren't any
X-Rob: this is now as good as it's going to get 8)
X-Rob: Well
X-Rob: ... maybe it could be better
X-Rob: Hmm
X-Rob: What I'm seeing on the dashboard is not what I"m seeing when submitting shares.
BingoBoingo: I have to say this is probably the most consistent rented hash I've ever had it seems. The 600GH/s pointed at it nao
mircea_popescu: X-Rob so why does it suck ?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I don't think I used the word suck.
X-Rob: And If I did, I shouldn't have.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.183 = 7.869 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kay, so why's it suboptimal ?
X-Rob: Assume 'asic reset time' = ... 500msec. That happens whenver the pool says 'discard all your work, I have a new block with a new coinbase'
X-Rob: on a non-p2pool pool, that happens once every block
assbot: Sesame Street: Elmo's Ducks - YouTube
X-Rob: so every 10 minutes, 500msec of hashing is thrown away
X-Rob: that's not that bad.
mircea_popescu: and on a p2pool ?
X-Rob: but p2pool has sharechains. The sharechains is, according to p2pool, a new block
X-Rob: so every n seconds a share is found (Which, currently, is about 8k or so, looking at when I'm getting resets sent through)
X-Rob: I'm submitting a valid share every.. 10 seconds or so
mircea_popescu: so every 8k seconds ?
assbot: 10 Orks (subtitle eng) - YouTube
X-Rob: I'm finding a block with a difficulty of 8k every 10 seconds.
mircea_popescu: so 60x as much wastage ?
mircea_popescu: this is hopeless.
X-Rob: which means every 10 seconds, I (and all the rest of the miners) get told to discard everythign they're working on
X-Rob: yes.
cazalla: cryptsy users about to get btfo with spam "Cryptsy will actively promote digitalX Mintsy to its customer base of over 250,000 registered users, who currently trade over 200 different types of digital currencies, making the site a leader in digital currency trading."
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: This is POSSIBLY just because this p2pool doesn't have any history on block time
X-Rob: let's see how it goes after it finds a block
mircea_popescu: cazalla i wanna meet the followers for all these leaders. america, the land of the 99 leaders to the duck.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: It's found 5
X-Rob: Hmmm
mike_c: asciilifeform: I'll try it on my son tomorrow night and let you know how it goes
asciilifeform: mike_c: that song is about pretty much every place i've ever worked.
mike_c: i like it :)
assbot: Un elefant se legana ... TraLaLa - YouTube
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are ascending
mircea_popescu: romanian optimism.
asciilifeform: 'our [soviet] elephants - largest in the world!' - unknown wag
assbot: TEN LITTLE NIGGER BOYS - YouTube
BingoBoingo: I think every culture has its own countdown from 10 song
mike_c: diff
mike_c: sry
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2014 12:58:47; RagnarDanneskjol: going to try multiple options - prolly mpos cuz p2pool sux hairy balls
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo : monte negros only goes down to 7.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: If it wasn't a badbet I'd suggest maor white Americans get ebola y Jan 1st 2015 than black Americans. Seems safe since they already have the lead.
kakobrekla: anyone knows what is the record for male 100m sprint in Montenegro?
kakobrekla: fine, ill tell you. its 44 meters.
RagnarDanneskjol: BingoBoingo - what is the name of the miners you are using - if its gonna stop tomorow, I might take it over so there's more than one miner on the pool. and I assume rob isnt planning to keep his running 24/7 indefinitely, right?
assbot: Mining Rig Rentals | Rigs
RagnarDanneskjol: thank. have a contact name?
BingoBoingo: Just that the page lists and owner name. Other rigs might be a better value.
RagnarDanneskjol: ok. just looking for reliability at this point.
X-Rob: [2014-09-17 10:58:20] Accepted 34998985 Diff 1.25K/1024 AV2 1 pool 3
X-Rob: [2014-09-17 10:58:22] Accepted 18493fe2 Diff 2.7K/1024 AV2 1 pool 3
X-Rob: [2014-09-17 10:58:25] Accepted 15f9f3ce Diff 2.98K/1024 AV2 0 pool 3
X-Rob: [2014-09-17 10:58:29] Found block for pool 3!
X-Rob: [2014-09-17 10:58:29] Stratum from pool 3 requested work restart
X-Rob: [2014-09-17 10:58:29] Accepted 04b43970 Diff 3.57M/1024 BLOCK! AV2 0 pool 3
X-Rob: [2014-09-17 10:58:33] Stratum from pool 3 detected new block
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol 44 metres ??
kakobrekla: thats the record. :)
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: A big thing with p2pool seems to be finding miners that play nicely with it. Antminer S2's suck, but S1's and S3's are ok. Other rigs are somewhat trial and error in my limited research.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://photo.oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051614147 << just for you. 'ballerina at the machine.'
assbot: -
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh - interesting. this I did not know
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well complicating this is also that other than Antminers I dunno what mining hardware is actually shipping in quantity
RagnarsBitch: OK. I will do some research then
BingoBoingo: RagnarsBitch: Also with that site... It just functions as a sort of Ebay trying to be a "dumb" middleman so contacting rig owners off their paltform is a hassel
RagnarsBitch: Ohhh. So like nicehash. That is good to know..I missed that
BingoBoingo: RagnarsBitch: There seem to be a few of these sites. It was just the first one mentioned when the constipation crisis happened. I think Blazedout419 brought it up
BingoBoingo: !up Blazedout419
chalbersma: @Ragnar did someone else add hashing power to the nodes?
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 73.30 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 293762.94 in 1081 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.36
BingoBoingo: chalbersma: X-Rob just pointed his over
BingoBoingo: chalbersma: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#831691 is where to do the quick catching up
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 00:22:07; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell X-Rob How are the stats on chalbersma's pool looking? http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/
X-Rob: heh
X-Rob: The share difficulty is better, chalbersma, btw
X-Rob: the gui is saying it's still small, but it seems to be only asking for resets at about 12k now
X-Rob: Block!
BingoBoingo: Oh, fixing the share difficulty was in part my bashing hash into the pool unproductively for a while's result
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: nah
BingoBoingo: Fuck Yeah
X-Rob: It wasn't accepting +diff before
X-Rob: and now it is
X-Rob: that was the first major fix that chalbersma did
chalbersma: Everybody loves a block.
chalbersma: X-Rob I looked it up. It will accept +diff but there's a maximum + you can go up. going 1024 when diff was 1 was too much.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Well, maybe a mix. For a while there were 0.002 second share times.
X-Rob: chalbersma: Hmmm. Anyway, it's working fine now with +1024
X-Rob: and that's the important thing.
chalbersma: Indeed
BingoBoingo: !s blogger.com
X-Rob: The pool still has its share difficulty way too low.
chalbersma: Ya when you look at p2pool in Bitcoin nobody has a share of the network like you and Bingo do.
BingoBoingo: chalbersma: Now you need to coordinate with mod6 to get the pool added to:
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 109.95 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.34 TH/s
mircea_popescu: o look it dropped :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think an iSpace miner may have defected to this new pool
assbot: Bitcoin - Open source P2P money
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin.org is the original domain name used with the first Bitcoin website. It was registered and is still managed by Bitcoin core developers and by additional community members, with the input of Bitcoin communities. Bitcoin.org is not an official website. Just like nobody owns the email technology, nobody owns the Bitcoin network. As such, nobody can speak with authority in the name of Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: much better.
asciilifeform: and where goes bitcoin.fail ?
mircea_popescu: some derp wanting to sell it.
nubbins`: to some guy hawking domain names
mircea_popescu: phil@bitcoin.ink
nubbins`: phil's got money to burn
mircea_popescu: no you don't understand investing
mircea_popescu: it's not burned if there's hope
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ^
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thanks, I might have to meet this Parrot guy
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
nubbins`: maybe he can get you into the embassy
nubbins`: i think there's a guy in montreal with one of those as well
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assbot: What in the world were those white objects hovering over Washington, D.C.?
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asciilifeform: these were announced some time last month, i think.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but it turns out it wasn't the 'radar blimps'
decimation: it's some other unit of usg doing spending money it doesn't have
asciilifeform: or amateurs, testing the waters.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 462.62, Best ask: 463.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 463.5, 24 hour volume: 5304.89306353, 24 hour low: 462.0, 24 hour high: 473.69, 24 hour vwap: 467.803999969
asciilifeform: http://www.popville.com/2014/03/about-that-balloon-in-the-sky-over-dupont << from comments, reference to commercial balloon service which is sometimes used in the city.
assbot: About that Balloon in the Sky Over Dupont | PoPville
decimation: perhaps it's the humble beginnings of the Ugandan space program: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html
assbot: Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts
decimation: why the hell does a 'height master plan' need a balloon for photography?
asciilifeform: balloon-monger gotta eat.
decimation: maybe they can sell balloons to zambia
decimation: actually a well engineered balloon system would be a great 'pauper's space program'
assbot: Amazon.com : 8 ft. dia. Professional Weather Balloon, 150g (green) : Weather Stations : Patio, Lawn & Garden
asciilifeform: problem is, these pop (by design) at a certain height.
decimation: yeah ideally you want it to adjust its height so it can use the winds to station-keep indefinitely
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: (winds, stationkeeping, got it all...)
decimation: plus submarines!
asciilifeform: all this, with 19th c. tech.
asciilifeform: not even rubber.
decimation: my understanding is that the japanese were actually very close to a working nuke bomb
asciilifeform: decimation: not so much close to an actual physical unit, but had the correct approach (vs. german heavy water.)
decimation: submarine + bigass balloon + nuke = megadeath
asciilifeform: afaik they flew from japan proper.
asciilifeform: no subs required.
mircea_popescu: get out of here, atom bomb baloons
asciilifeform: temperamental machines, they were, not where you'd stuff a precious handmade '40s nuke
asciilifeform: but - cheap.
asciilifeform: 'cheap & angry'
decimation: yeah you are right, I guess the submarines were just a hypothesis (although could still be true, sand from beach, launched from sub)
decimation: yeah I'm not sure that the rubber/plastic technology of the age could have made a big enough balloon
decimation: or set of balloons
asciilifeform: decimation: dirigible.
decimation: I think we had a conversation about cow guts being a military secret in germany
assbot: How many cows does it take to build a Zeppelin?
mircea_popescu: decimation not the rubber, not the gas (how do you get helium on a sub ?)
decimation: in theory one could produce hydrogen from the seawater with lots of energy
asciilifeform: He on a sub - nuttery. H on the other hand...
mircea_popescu: yeah glwt
mircea_popescu: it burns because it gets bored.
decimation: heh yeah
mircea_popescu: why not make azide baloon then
BingoBoingo: Because touching the balloon would set it off?
mircea_popescu: but even for the hell of it - calculate the sub that can carry the diesel engine that can make the electricity thyat can fill a baloon
decimation: It would probably be best to build a couple devices and stuff them on airplanes that are stuffed into submarines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400-class_submarine
assbot: I-400-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: of course the actual devices used by the us could never be carried by such light aircraft
mircea_popescu: decimation you're starting to sound like the hershey bar guy
mircea_popescu: "let's make a flying galleon!11"
decimation: I have a proposition for you but you need to self-select into a watt engine between 500-700 years ago
asciilifeform: obligatory:
assbot: ADL Chronicles: Of Silk Purses and Lead Balloons
mircea_popescu: i actually invented watt engines 750 years ago, over a coffee chat with twinklebros
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decimation: but zuckerberg stole the idea because he googled 'im stealin ur patents'
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mircea_popescu: no, watt did
decimation: no he was a front for zuck's sister
assbot: Facebook Hires Satellite Executive from Google - Digits - WSJ
decimation: actually for what facebook wasted on whatsapp, they could have had a really nice little satellite constellation (assuming they had the will to engineer it properly)
mircea_popescu: glonass didn't cost 20 bn, and it;'s afaik better than the gps stuff
decimation: herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2
assbot: A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away
mircea_popescu: !up DiabloD3
mircea_popescu: decimation you should see what the gas cost them
mircea_popescu: if anyone can read chinese, wtf is 自愿持有那些法币臭狗屎
mircea_popescu: something with dogshit in it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.199 = 0.597 BTC [+]
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asciilifeform: $13k 1945 dollars per V2 << lol! the ultimate 'confusion between the warm and the soft things.'
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asciilifeform: vile 20th century broke many good things, incl. fungibility of money.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true. But even at 1000x that price, you can buy many rockets for $19bn today
asciilifeform: how many circa 2014 u.s. dollars buy $1 of circa 1905 german chemistry? and wtf does that even mean.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform % of total world still works as a comparison term.
asciilifeform: 19bn bezzlars? try to spend that much empty paper and buy one rocket.
mircea_popescu: 1% of earth is worth 1% of earth at any point in time.
asciilifeform: not sure 19bn buys 1% of earth unless in the form of briefcases loaded with bejies
mircea_popescu: well notrly, buy bitcoin for it, then buy the rocket :D
asciilifeform: sure. but same applies. can't be in, e.g., 'yahoo' stock.
cazalla: hilarious, top video on reddit, guy getting jacked at gun point in where else but Buenos Aires
assbot: Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube
mircea_popescu: this has so got to be fake
decimation: the way the nazis got there was partially by making von braun the personal dictator of their rocket program and partialy by slave labor
cazalla: and this is like 5 mins after reading your article
decimation: neither of which are available today
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is he
mircea_popescu: looks like baracas or something
The20YearIRCloud: Glonass is better than GPS
decimation: it seems that there is a division between those who are rich in bezzlars and those who could use them to do something worthwhile
asciilifeform: decimation: as per very definition of bezzlar.
mircea_popescu: lmao that guy has no future as a robber
mircea_popescu: pull that shit on the wrong guy he'd have fed him his pistol by now
cazalla: mircea_popescu, apparently La Boca
assbot: Russia's Glonass GPS system suffers major disruption | PCWorld
mircea_popescu: Berta Lovejoy1 hour ago
mircea_popescu: This is why I say that all men should have an annual mandatory mental checkup. Over 80% of inmates are men, and 40% of the global male population ends up in prison at some point in their life. It is clear that they have some sort of genetic defect that makes them act irresponsibly and end up putting others at risk. Peace and civility can only be achieved if we ensure that the male population has a normal functioning st
mircea_popescu: ate of mind.
The20YearIRCloud: There was supposed to be a ? After what I said. Glonass has been very problematic. When it works its great but way more unreliable than GPS
The20YearIRCloud: GPS has essentially had 100% uptime since the 80s. Glonass started in 1976 and hasn't worked correctly till about 2004
mircea_popescu: i've not been following it too closely.
decimation: mircea_popescu: report to your local reeducation camp to adjust your mental health
mircea_popescu: but afaik they mostly fixed it.
asciilifeform: it'll get 100% uptime when the last wintel box in russia is ceremonially burned.
mircea_popescu: decimation or i could just bitchslap her if she starts droning around me
mircea_popescu: either way.
The20YearIRCloud: The joys of feminazidom
asciilifeform: hasn't worked correctly till about 2004 >> imperial collapse isn't terribly great for satellite constellations. as usa will soon discover.
asciilifeform: (along with vassal states)
The20YearIRCloud: What's median lifespan of a GPS satellite? Last time I checked it was over 30 years
asciilifeform: rated life ~= 10 yrs. (optimal)
The20YearIRCloud: Even with collapse the constellation has good working chances through 2050
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: I dun think you know how frequently GPS satellites get replaced
asciilifeform: 5-7 yrs. in practice
asciilifeform: and this is without any banana dictator deciding one day to play selective-access games with the machines.
mircea_popescu: did you just make a racist remark @obama ?
assbot: The System: GLONASS in April, What Went Wrong : GPS World
assbot: VIDEO: Russian Laser Show Features Obama Sucking on a Banana
mircea_popescu: i am in awe of my geolocation skills
decimation: BingoBoingo: I think they try to keep a few 'spares' in orbit
cazalla: mircea_popescu, close! but no cigar as they say :P
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, but if the lifespan is so poor...
mircea_popescu: a decade in outerspace is no kind of poor !
assbot: Rocket Carrying GPS 2R Satellite Explodes - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A decade would be an abysmal lifespan for a book
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
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TheNewDeal: I may be wrong, but, the other day I think the topic of french woment showing their tits as part of some feminist revolution was discussed in here? Anyway here's a video that should provide some lulz. Forewarning, it's 10 minutes long, and retarded http://www.upworthy.com/a-french-film-showing-men-what-being-a-woman-feels-like-kinda?c=reccon1
assbot: A French Film Showing Men What Being A Woman Feels Like Kinda Nails It
decimation: lol usg is planning to spend $6.8bn bezzlars on one rocket (but it's fit for humans!) http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/boeing-spacex-win-nasa-commercial-crew-award-180952722/?no-ist
assbot: Boeing, SpaceX Win NASA Commercial Crew Award | Daily Planet | Air & Space Magazine
decimation: actually that's $6.8bn for the metal cage that holds the humans, the rocket is extra
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