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asciilifeform: and - given what is known about 'wintel' - we have precisely this scenario
mircea_popescu: luckily there still can be found 12 people in any county that have nfi what computers are, and the judges, appendages of the state, are quite effectual at forbiding any courtroom instruciton.
asciilifeform: whether it will ever play out in a courtroom, or - 'defense attorneys can also have problems' - remains to be seen
asciilifeform: and, well, that.
mircea_popescu: moreover the machine generally is careful in avoiding messing with the sort of people that'd stomp it.
mircea_popescu: they tend to pick on poorly educated, poorly connected nobodies with priors.
asciilifeform: the bureaucrat - presumably had connections, education (or 'education'), clean record ?
mircea_popescu: consider the simple fact that any legal proceeding could be extended anywhere between six and ninety weeks by an endless parade of character evidence showing usg agents lieing, being required to lie, etc etc.
mircea_popescu: yet nobody is doing this. why isn't holder a constant prop in the courtroom, showing why any testimony by a police officer should be discounted by the jury ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform first of all you need balls.
mircea_popescu: no bureaucrat is ever going to pose problems anymore than any other random schmuck that signed the "plea bargain" is.
asciilifeform: it is a definite - if peculiar - biological fact - that being condemned to hang somehow doesn't cause people to sprout balls
mircea_popescu: how did the qute go,
mircea_popescu: "What an example to the proletariat! He had to die, anyway, so he might at least have died in a way that did the Party some good!"
asciilifeform: the 'moscow trials'
assbot: ExecutedToday.com » 1936: Grigory Zinoviev and Lev Kamenev, Old Bolsheviks
mircea_popescu: worst fucking career choice, joining the "people party". being a boxer is degree of magnitudes a smarter move.
mircea_popescu: now THERE'S a peculiar if well documented biological fact : how the fuck can such a drastically -ev strategy be and remain a schelling point.
mircea_popescu: answer : because women. pregnancy is also -ev, and yet women do it. the same psychological complexes that control that can also yield amusing social results.
asciilifeform: there is no solzhenitsyn among the honeybees, lamenting 'why don't we sting, if we're to die anyway'
mircea_popescu: so in the end, the government of the people by the people for the people, in its quest to not perish from this earth, became government of women, by women, for women.
mircea_popescu: and it's STILL perishing.
asciilifeform: but, to complete the metaphor - it ever hopes to birth the mythical beast that will save it.
asciilifeform: 'kommunism is coming in 1980!'
mircea_popescu: well, save it, kill it, wht the hell's the difference.
mircea_popescu: I have had the occasion to hear tranquil petty bourgeois tell me in the days between the beginnings of the trial and my internment: “It’s impossible to understand Zinoviev … He is so lacking in character!” And I would reply: “Have you yourselves experienced the full weight of the pressure to which he has been subjected for a number of years?” Unintelligent in the extreme are the comparisons, so widespread i
mircea_popescu: n intellectual circles, of the conduct in court of Danton, Robespierre and others. These were the instances of revolutionary tribunes who found the knife of justice suspended over them, directly in the midst of the arena of struggle; at a time when they were in the full flower of their strength, with their nervous system almost untouched and, at the same time, when they despaired of all hope of salvation.
mircea_popescu: [By contrast] For ten years they [Zinoviev and Kamenev] had been enveloped by clouds of slander paid for in heavy gold. For ten years they had swayed between life and death, first in a political sense, then in a moral sense, and lastly in a physical sense. Can one find in all past history examples of such systematic, refined and fiendish destruction of spines, nerves and all the fibers of the soul? Zinoviev or Kamenev
mircea_popescu: would have had more than ample character for a tranquil period. But the epoch of grandiose social and political convulsions demanded an extraordinary firmness of these men, whose abilities secured them a leading place in the revolution. The disproportion between their abilities and their wills led to tragic results.
mircea_popescu: worth a quote, he basically says what i've been saying to would-be "good citizens" to relatively little effect.
mircea_popescu: would be "good citizens" always know better, a la prikoke
TheNewDeal: !up pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzNPXQo3_DY << check that out, he lambasts the bureaucracy, etc.
assbot: Trotsky's Speech in Mexico (about the Moscow trials) - YouTube
assbot: BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC.
pete_dushenski: looks like hearn hasn't hung up his cap yet
pete_dushenski: The Bitcoin Core team recently committed BIP0064, which adds two new commands to the protocol, getutxos and utxos. The getutxos command is used to request unspent transaction information based on the given outpoints, while the utxos command is the response. The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core.
mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like doing some public research to show exactly how this can be used to breach the anonimity of compliant clients, by all means. you won't have to dig too deeply.
asciilifeform: student exercise.
mircea_popescu: not that anyone is actually using the power ranger implementation anyway, but as an academic point.
pete_dushenski: there can't be more than a few hundred madmen/children still updating bitcoind
asciilifeform: don't forget - careless linux n0obs
asciilifeform: who, e.g, 'emerge -uU world'
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski about the same people who "invested" in eth.
mircea_popescu: they "Exist" in the sense democrat voters "exist"
pete_dushenski: truly, they're lost in the ether ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoin was taken out of main for this exact reason.
mircea_popescu: with the usg at the helm it really didn't belong anywhere near the common linux newb.
assbot: BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/Jz4iau26 (until they actually approve comments. heh.)
assbot: Mike Hearn August 27, 2014 at 10:49 am I wont argue that btcd has bette - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: it hasta be said.
mircea_popescu: the entire fucking echafaudage of shit piled upon shit strictly depends on "decorum" and nobody saying the things.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu and solid lulz on the comments. wd.
mircea_popescu: ;;google ede stercem meum & mori.
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: useful as always google.
asciilifeform: 'eatshit&die'
assbot: BitcoinStats
pete_dushenski: fucking comedy gold BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: what continues to astound me is the meticulously tended garden of a parallel universe where this discussion isn't happening, a 'computer' means 'wintel box', 'bitcoin economy' means 'coinbase' and 'bitpay', etc. - carries on just so. with the glossy magazines, free newspaper publicity 'so plentiful they can eat with their arses', etc.
BingoBoingo: this chan isn't the only one with logs holding gems pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: it's as completely parallel as the fiat economy itself
pete_dushenski: and predicated on the same brain damage
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: so it would seem :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't astound me in the slightest. it actually makes me quite happy.
pete_dushenski: brain damage like "All 70,000 residents living on the Caribbean nation of Dominica will be eligible to receive bitcoin as part of The Bit Drop project, an upcoming collaboration between bitcoin businesses, interest groups and local government officials."
pete_dushenski: i mean c'mon now
asciilifeform: this is like the zombies in, e.g, 'quake', when player lacks a grenade
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol the funny thing about these idiots is that they keep copying... the broken models.
mircea_popescu: hasn't keiser already tore himself a fifty asshole with his involvement in the icelandic coin scam ?
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asciilifeform: ^ and a profusion of 'bobs' who can fuck goats round the clock and remain 'bridge builders'
mircea_popescu: i suppose next in line, neobee for a different island. since it worked so well the first time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform main reason why the universality of the wot is such an important prerequisite for a livable world and general hapiness.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: don't think keiser is in on this island deal, looks like :
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mircea_popescu: hearnright. i think that's the definition of a successful attack :) don't get me wrong. i'd like to see core restart itself if it crashes <<< riiight.
mircea_popescu: i bet he would. jesus fuck these people, always ready with the wrong thing.
ben_vulpes: "you're the one who told me to put it in the garbage, you should be the one to take it out, jerk"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes waitwut ?
ben_vulpes: nuh uh
asciilifeform: 'Bit Drop project' << aha the old tired african chumpatron. lay siege to some pisshole, make 'international' stink, food is dropped from bombers. drive off would-be eaters at gunpoint, collect the crates, sell.
ben_vulpes: it's a non-sequiter
asciilifeform: 'donate btc to poor villagers!' - it'll work
asciilifeform: african work.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: add white titties, mojitos, stir, serve
pete_dushenski: http://www.btcbeauties.com/#!antoniette/cfz7 << she's the closest to harem material but the rest are just… washed up
assbot: bitcoin-beauties-
decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders why enterprising individuals from civilized countries don't invade africa, clear out locals, and start a proper city-state
decimation: I suppose the immediate response of USG would be to crush such a project for being racis, etc
asciilifeform: decimation: you answered the question. usg owns it.
asciilifeform: uses it as a peculiar sort of human zoo.
decimation: there isn't a spot on the globe that can be colonized without usg's tacit permission
decimation: right, this implies that usg is directly responsible for the derpage worldwide
pete_dushenski: decimation: clear out the locals? and miss out on all that cheap cheap labour?
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decimation: pete_dushenski: well, it's true that that was how most of africa & south america were run for a few centuries
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ask the chinese why they're shipping in own labourers in their modest, semi-clandestine african colonies.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: trust? or rather, lack thereof?
decimation: asciilifeform: once again, the real reason is that the measures required to get the locals to work for you would be forbidden by usg
asciilifeform: precisely. the africans are subjects of the reptiliate.
asciilifeform: and, as such, go to its tender mercies.
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mircea_popescu: !up aEnima
pete_dushenski: speaking of oz, can anyone recommend a good restaurant or two in sydney or melbourne?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: one wonders why enterprising individuals from civilized countries don't invade africa, clear out locals, and start a proper city-state << !s balls
pete_dushenski: other than cazalla, i can't remember who's all down under
decimation: mircea_popescu: if they had balls + enough money to purchase decent defenses, USG wouldn't be able to do much
decimation: except derp on TV
mircea_popescu: no, if they had the balls.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, cookie in melbourne is nice, food is good but the cocktails are A+, http://cookie.net.au/
assbot: - Cookie Beer Hall Melbourne
mircea_popescu: !s bus ticket
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: once again, the real reason is that the measures required to get the locals to work for you would be forbidden by usg << not so. the locals are just shitty stock.
mircea_popescu: "the measures that it'd take getting african americans to outcompete azns out of us tech colleges". heh. what measures, tell me ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Vexual?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: nice. is there a cocktail in particular that you'd recommend?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: possibly ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Vexual is an Aussie
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol well tech colleges still need varsity athletes
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: a ok
cazalla: pete_dushenski, nfi they all have fancy names and change the menu, many of them are great though (i have not been in a while though having a kid and all)
cazalla: there is also the cigar bar in hawthorn
cazalla: they make great whiskey sours
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski amusingly, that's the premiere employment the locals get in the chinese colony towns. they ship whores in, but when it comes to sports local kids get the job.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell vexual please to recommend restaurants in sydney, melbourne, or geographically in between :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Baranows - Hawthorn Victoria | Yelp
pete_dushenski: cazalla: a cool. well ty.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: heh well waddya know
BingoBoingo: !up up-me-please-lin
up-me-please-lin: regarding the repurposing of africa:
assbot: A very unfair perspective. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The country that used to exist
decimation: wow, a troll who - contributes to the conversation?
decimation: one wonders how many anonymous friends #b-a has out there...
RagnarDanneskjol: a great many
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mircea_popescu: decimation why a troll ?
TheNewDeal: was wondering the same
RagnarDanneskjol: the nick is mildly trollish
RagnarDanneskjol: b/c it compels one to take action I suppose. i dunno
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
Naphex: o/
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mircea_popescu: o hey napedia
mircea_popescu: o hey Naphex
mircea_popescu: how was vacation ?
assbot: Morning Picdump (54 pics) - Picture #1 - Izismile.com
mircea_popescu: The "talks" were resumed. Elsewhere in Africa things were about normal—for Africa. There was a coup here and there (140), Zambia committed transport hara-kiri (137), some lively Somali border skirmishing produced its quota of casualties, summary "justice" was administered in the Congo (107), and about 1,000 Ugandans were bumped off by Premier Obote (119)—nothing really serious enough to warrant the attention of a
mircea_popescu: UN preoccupied with Rhodesia's "explosive situation".
mircea_popescu: After a year of pressures, scorn, sanctions and diatribe, Rhodesia emerged more resolute in her will to survive, and with a more stable, stronger, and more dignified image (192) —an image gratuitously, though unintentionally, created for her by the failure of her would-be detractors. Mainspring of her stability lies in the deep reservoir of inter-racial goodwill.
mircea_popescu: That Rhodesian Africans actually assist their "oppressors" in hunting down terrorist would-be "liberators" refutes the lie that this is a land of turmoil and strife. There has, in fact, been more racial disturbance and bloodshed in Chicago or Los Angeles in a week than in Rhodesia in a year.
mircea_popescu: "107 Four former ministers accused of plotting against General Mobutu were hanged in Leopoldville's Grand Square before a Wembley-sized "gate" of 100,000 after being condemned at a 90-minute open-air "trial". No evidence was presented, no prosecution case made, there were no witnesses and the defendants had no counsel. There were also no protest marches in London, no sermon in St. Paul's, no letters to The Times, no de
mircea_popescu: putations to UN."
assbot: Our Rhodesian Heritage: More Life with UDI
mircea_popescu: " Americans probably now know less about Rhodesia than they do about the moon, which does not deter them from trying to impose on us the "solution" and resulting chaos they helped to entrench in the strife-torn Congo."
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mircea_popescu: The problems of "majority rule" did not, of course, arise in America way back in 1776 since these sturdy pioneers evolved their own expedient for dealing with such matters. However, Mr. Goldberg, chief U.S. delegate to the UN, seems at last to be concerned over "majority rule"—at UN itself, where small, insignificant states are usurping the peace-keeping authority of the great powers. On the UN's 21st birthday (24th
mircea_popescu: October) he said: "It would not have been accepted in 1945 that the UN should include tiny states whose only justification for existence is that their territory is no longer wanted by the colonial governments that supported them for years." The light dawns!
mircea_popescu: lmao, now i know whom to quote.
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assbot: Steve Forbes Misunderstands Money :: The Mises Economics Blog: The Circle Bastiat
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assbot: Australia's housing bubble is real and banks are to blame, says author
cazalla: The median house price to income of Sydney is nine times, compared to 6.2 times in New York and 7.3 times in London. Even Adelaide is more expensive than New York on price-to-income basis.
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cazalla: although people have been predicting this bubble would burst since the early 2000s
cazalla: is price-to-income a good way of evaluating a housing bubble?
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dub: Sydney is a pretty livably city compared to those shitholes
RagnarDanneskjol: re: is it a good way of evaluating? it is a descent indicator - if compared to historical data in the same area/demographic (as opposed some arbitrary comparison to a region on the opposite end of the planet)
RagnarDanneskjol: blaming banks for bubble is like blaming bartenders for alcoholism
dub: thats a pretty stupid thing to say
dub: there is tight governance around when and who a bartender can serve
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RagnarDanneskjol: ok, was making a more general comparison. both have tight governance around when & who can be served. whats your point?
dub: that banks don't
RagnarDanneskjol: well, i beg to differ. pretty sure Australian banks require more paperwork for a loan than a bartender requires to serve a drink
dub: paperwork isnt governance
dub: a bartender can't legally serve someone thats already drunk as fuck, a bank only has its own criteria
RagnarDanneskjol: uhh - loan prerequisites are generally dictated by law, not private bank policy
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xmj: (technically they're described by financial market authority regulations)
xmj: prescribed even
dub: what is? a loan to value ratio..
RagnarDanneskjol: no, loan prerequisites. authorities prescribe with threat of violence
Vexual: ;;later tell pete_dushenski yes i can recommend some resturants
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Competitive and Sustainable Banking System - Home
Vexual: statistically, australian don't complain about publicans serving too much beer and they also pay back loans.
Vexual: it's like the closest thing to a culture we have
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pankkake: !b 2
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assbot: Three Things You Didnt Know About the Arachnids That Live on Your Face | NC State News
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mod6: /names
assbot: Romania Joins As First Bitcoin Foundation Chapter Affiliate in Eastern Europe - Coin Fire
ThickAsThieves: viva fundatia bitcoin romania!
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
ThickAsThieves: any #b-a people live in Portland?
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TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 317922 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 605 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 6 hours, 54 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26668320234.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.84185
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pankkake: is it the bitcoin price?
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punkman: !s moriarty
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assbot: kimono : Bitcoin Correlator
nubbins`: dat gold price
nubbins`: so i've been doing some test prints for these posters, everything looks good, gonna start full production today
nubbins`: !up devthedev
nubbins`: devthedev: how's everything at flagler schools these days?
devthedev: Fine, thanks
nubbins`: great to hear :D
ThickAsThieves: !up dvsdude
ThickAsThieves: dvsdude has questions about cavirtex
nubbins`: those shady bastards
ThickAsThieves: i assume the question is what to do about the buyback offer?
nubbins`: dvsdude, do you have the misfortune of owning "shares" in their "company"?
dvsdude: yes
nubbins`: my condolences
nubbins`: do you think the buyback offer is at a fair price?
dvsdude: he wants to buy them back
ThickAsThieves: without being that close to this event, i'd say if he's making an offer, it's probably too low
dvsdude: i want to give them back but i'm taking a hit
ThickAsThieves: i'd suggest registering the shares
ThickAsThieves: and keeping them
assbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread
ThickAsThieves: i almost bought some myself when i heard they were delisting
nubbins`: i'd probably keep them too, if only for the fact that they REALLY seem to want to buy them back
dvsdude: he does
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: you heard they were delisting before it happened? :0
ThickAsThieves: they announced it
dvsdude: I was at work
nubbins`: right, but trading halted beforehand, yes?
nubbins`: or did they open it up again afterwards, to scoop up a ton of shares on the cheap?
ThickAsThieves: i dont think so, but ive done drugs between then and now so....
dvsdude: by the time i got home they were pennys so i kept them
nubbins`: it's all lost to memory now. anyway, fuck em. do whatever they don't want you to do
ThickAsThieves: dvsdude, do you qualify as a proper invetsor or whatever canada calls it?
dvsdude: this is the prob
dvsdude: i'm not
ThickAsThieves: what is the approx value of your shares. in your own estimation
nubbins`: "in making the election to accept the Offer, you will be deemed to have never been a shareholder"
nubbins`: ^ this line is sketchy as fuck
ThickAsThieves: (in total)
ThickAsThieves: yeha they think they can erase history lol
ThickAsThieves: so retarded
ThickAsThieves: but they gotta try probly
nubbins`: in making the election to accept $20 for a cab ride home, you will be deemed to not have been drugged and assaulted at my house last night
dvsdude: hate to say what a chump i'am but started to buy them in 2011
nubbins`: but you can totally walk, it's only 15km, no biggie
ThickAsThieves: dvsdude dont worry about your chumphood, we all got chumped at some point
ThickAsThieves: its what you do once you know youve been chumped that matters
nubbins`: << thrice-chumped, still rich
nubbins`: and with sweet stories to boot
dvsdude: ok ......I've got 3.3 into
ThickAsThieves: i ask about the value because you might have some workarounds if you dont qualify as a qualified invetsor
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
nubbins`: so a couple thousand bucks
nubbins`: not bad
nubbins`: !up xanthyos
ThickAsThieves: like you might be able to get your finance guy to wrap the shares into another thing
dvsdude: he wants to give me 1.1
xanthyos: this is what the "legitimate" shuffle algorithm of the world's most popular bitcoin poker site spits out: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwIkxGxIcAAH34g.jpg
nubbins`: so your choices are 1.1 or 0.0, basically
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dvsdude: yes
nubbins`: xanthyos just as likely as any other 5-card combo XD
xanthyos: i've seen 5 royals in 6 months
pankkake: NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE
nubbins`: dvsdude: i think it's safe to say that keeping the shares will offer you no tangible benefits whatsoever
xanthyos: it took 10 years on pokerstars to see 1
dvsdude: not much i can do here ?
danielpbarron: wow you royaled?
TomServo: You should go to a casino!
xanthyos: casinos use real shufflers
ThickAsThieves: <+nubbins`> dvsdude: i think it's safe to say that keeping the shares will offer you no tangible benefits whatsoever //i dont think i agree with this
xanthyos: i call scams on this site whether i'm ont he winning end or the losing end
xanthyos: my luck doesn't blind me to the thievery
nubbins`: imagine you own cavirtex. wouldn't you do anything in your power to eat up all profits and never pay a dividend?
ThickAsThieves: i suspect Cavirtex is doing fundraising or such and wants to fuck over the real early angels
xanthyos: flop a nut royal with the cards in descending order
nubbins`: sure, "wants to fuck over" is an attitude that doesn't just evaporate
ThickAsThieves: and increases in value
dvsdude: I told him (ceo) that i wanted to phone him
nubbins`: besides, they're fucking class-B shares
nubbins`: bet ya 5 satoshis that the actual owners don't hold class B shares
ThickAsThieves: i bet they hold a bunch
ThickAsThieves: they are doing a buyback after all
nubbins`: well, maybe, let's check the prospectus
dvsdude: I dont like this shifty fuck
nubbins`: oh wait
nubbins`: there isn't one
ThickAsThieves: i might have it saved actually
nubbins`: wat!
nubbins`: dropbox that dutch
nubbins`: i like how their buyback offer has a fixed btc/cad exchange rate too
nubbins`: hope they're hedging that 8)
dvsdude: joe daveies should have known not to trust a guy with two first names
ThickAsThieves: i have it!
assbot: VirtEx_Prospectus_18Mar2013.pdf
dvsdude: so best advise is take the hit
ThickAsThieves: my advice is keep the shares
ThickAsThieves: i remember when someone was unloading coinbase shares before they became a thing
ThickAsThieves: and i skipped that
dvsdude: really ?
assbot: [For Sale] Shares in coinbase.com
nubbins`: my advice is to start from the assumption your money is gone, and keep or sell the shares based on whether you think they'll be worth +/- 0 in the future
ThickAsThieves: tell him you want IPO price, .64btc ea
dvsdude: but I would have find someone else to buy them later and like nubbins said they are class b shares
ThickAsThieves: the owners will always want to buy them until the company is dying
ThickAsThieves: they wouldnt wanna buy them now if things were bad
kakobrekla: >NastyFans aren't taking any kind of a loss, it is all positive ROI for them. There are no costs associated with NastyFans and hashrate is all a win for them, so taking a loss is actually impossible with our structure.
kakobrekla: oh my.
dvsdude: suppose to call him later not sure ......asked him why I paid 3.3 btc but he only offering me 1.1 ....his answer was lame
ThickAsThieves: note, the original prospectus says nothing about Class B
dvsdude: good one
dvsdude: thats something
ThickAsThieves: it says very little really in regards to share limitations
ThickAsThieves: ah it does say non-voting
ThickAsThieves: "his is NOT a separate fund; this is the fund that represents real equity ownership in VirtEx!"
ThickAsThieves: "In the case where VirtEx is bought out by another company or VirtEx pays a dividend to its shareholders, Bitcoin shareholders will get paid in Bitcoin at the Canadian dollar equivalent rate using the best market prices at the time"
ThickAsThieves: yeah i'd hold them shares tight if it were me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 780 @ 0.00281699 = 2.1973 BTC [+] {9}
dvsdude: thanks man you helping alot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.279 = 2.511 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i hope so, you may wanna ask others though
ThickAsThieves: not 2 weeks cavirtex is doing PR about Bitcoin ATMs in malls, they are growing, not dying
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1013 @ 0.00052015 = 0.5269 BTC [-] {4}
dvsdude: that was what i thought
ThickAsThieves: please post a link to the original prospectus i gave you in the thread too
ThickAsThieves: in case others cant find it
ThickAsThieves: i assume they have by now
ThickAsThieves: this reminds me, wasnt there a dude repeatedly doing FUD on Cavirtex in the mos before delisting?
assbot: Havelock Cavirtex is about to collapse | Bitcointa.lk
ThickAsThieves: i bet it's the owner
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com doge like kindness
gribble: No matches found.
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com doge like
gribble: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/>; Ah sweet sweet delicious communitard tears pe Trilema - Un blog ...: (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4858646,-122.6641519,14z << ThickAsThieves notes that Portland is built around a giant vagina
assbot: Google Maps
punkman: chinks wanna copy it now
assbot: Why haven't China's cities learned from America's mistakes? | Cities | The Guardian
ThickAsThieves: awesome for landmark purposes "Meet me at Oaks bottom?" "Where's that?" "Oh, between Willa's vag and ass"
ben_vulpes: oaks bottom
ThickAsThieves: brooklyn henceforth known as East Clitsville
ThickAsThieves: oh great now youre gonna tell my wife this.
ben_vulpes: publically logged chan
ben_vulpes: i don't have to say nuffin :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.24541396 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 717 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58649525 BTC to 15`045 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
punkman: " in Washington state, N.P.R. found, offenders even “get charged a fee for a jury trial — with a 12-person jury costing $250, twice the fee for a six-person jury.”"
punkman: scamz
assbot: Log In
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22928 @ 0.00084934 = 19.4737 BTC [+] {4}
TheNewDeal: xanthyos whenever I played SWC I also suspected that good hands came too often
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
TomServo: !up xanthyos
xanthyos: TheNewDeal: the site has a profit motive in having big showdowns. in cash games it increases rake taken on the hand. in tournaments it accelerates the rate at which people are eliminated, thus reducing server load
xanthyos: as all rake is paid in advance on tournaments
TheNewDeal: never really pondered that subject
TheNewDeal: interesting
xanthyos: and there are mythologies on the site such as "run good" accounts
assbot: Payday Monsanto ~ Maniacs At Large [Listen up sheeple] - YouTube
xanthyos: what's this ad on bitcoinaverage: https://primedice.com/
assbot: Primedice | Bitcoin Dice
xanthyos: primedice.scam
xanthyos: the .scam domain needs to start being used.
xanthyos: if it doesn't exist already
TheNewDeal: sounds like a goldmine to me
lobbes: bitcointalk.scam
xanthyos: "no true scammer would take a .scam domain, they MUST be honest."
pankkake: lol exactly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00084965 = 16.1858 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: penguirker!
ben_vulpes: i betcha actually jbork's feed huh
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't get how bip0064 compromises nodes
ben_vulpes: this student can't even do c-grade security
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00084971 = 3.8237 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: mpoe's back y'all
jurov: cavirtex - the original DERP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31666 @ 0.00084978 = 26.9091 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16106 @ 0.00085086 = 13.704 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 82(Y):18(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 33.44191626 BTC. Current weight: 72,028.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.34 BTC. Current weight: 95,095.
lobbes: ;;diff
gribble: 2.38446700388033E10
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085224 = 3.8351 BTC [+]
punkman: ben_vulpes: but is btcd a good idea if they are compatible with the newest, bestest derpfeatures from bitcoind?
Apocalyptic: punkman, how is it compatible ?
Apocalyptic: even in the newest bitcoind, you still have "protocolversion" : 70002, and the protocol should be the only concern when dealing with 2 different implementations
ben_vulpes: punkman: "btcd won’t be supporting the command because it is completely unauthenticated and insecure as pointed out numerous times on the initial pull request."
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, so btcd is actually mirroring all these new features of bitcoind ?
ben_vulpes: not 64
punkman: ben_vulpes: oic, they put everything in btcwire library, but btcd won't use it
punkman: but are there any unwanted BIPs that they've added to btcd?
Apocalyptic: <ben_vulpes> not 64 // that's obvious from what you pasted
Apocalyptic: i was actually asking about the last few BIPs
ben_vulpes: now i'm looking over the past few bips as well
ben_vulpes: 73 is not a btcd feature
ben_vulpes: 70-73 are all wallet-app stuff if i'm reading this correctly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3722 @ 0.00084965 = 3.1624 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: 62 doesn't appear to have made it past draft?
ben_vulpes: 61 neither?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26057 @ 0.00084803 = 22.0971 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: i'd be surprised if 37 hadn't
ben_vulpes: pretty funny that 38 is still marked as draft
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-core is hilariously poorly managed
assbot: KeyDistribution - end-to-end - High level key distribution / key discovery plans. - End-To-End - Google Project Hosting
ben_vulpes: i don't get the furor over key distribution
ben_vulpes: i suppose that makes me an uneducated barbarian
ben_vulpes: but i want to send an email to pete
ben_vulpes: i grab pete's key off gribble or, you know, ask him
ben_vulpes: then later "hey did you get my message?"
ben_vulpes: *shrug*
ben_vulpes: qui bono
FabianB: moriarty: who told you i'm interested in unsolicited pm's about random stuff?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00084696 = 12.408 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: ben_vulpes i guess it's people who want to do things wholesale, commoditize and whatnot
jurov: it's beneath them to concern with individual and personal key verification
jurov: #keyops
jurov: https://www.ivpn.net/internet-censorship/ what they want you to believe
assbot: Internet Censorship Around The World | IVPN
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00084737 = 9.5329 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: jurov: "web scale"
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=instagram&src=typd << millions cry out in pain and are not yet silenced
assbot: Twitter / Suche - instagram
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 96(Y):4(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.34800157 BTC. Current weight: 97,894.
[]bot: Bet placed: 4.7 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 812.08919187 BTC. Current weight: 23,242.
punkman: satoshi's dead
assbot: lol my thesis: I'm trying to predict the stock market and I don't even know why anyone approved this.
assbot: PHP 5.6.0 Released - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00084676 = 1.9052 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: goood mornin' bitcoinlandia
jurov: evening
mircea_popescu: that also.
assbot: BitBet - Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 5.15 B (96%) on Yes, 0.2 B (4%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 hours | weight: 97`863 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 317967 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 560 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26584629280.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.49087
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 719.65 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
TheNewDeal: gribble is just questionable with this prediction. 11.5 % seriously ?
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 203785160.63
thestringpuller: is there a mole among us?
thestringpuller: !up kermit
TheNewDeal: please do tell
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: who me?
TheNewDeal: yes yes
thestringpuller: It just smells like there is a mole among us.
TheNewDeal: intresting
thestringpuller: perhaps the sybil attack has already begun...
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com sybil attack
gribble: Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/>; Transcript for #bitcoin-dev 2013/03/12 :: BitcoinStats - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bitcoinstats.htm>; A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't get how bip0064 compromises nodes << Allows very memory intensive requests which can crash nodes.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/08/27#l1409155575 << Absorb the harm of Hearn "Why can't bitcoind automatically restart?"
assbot: BitcoinStats
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell devthedev lulzy imposter log you shared http://pastebin.com/DcyL3eyT
assbot: 3:03:46 PMbingoboingo- Hello 3:03:53 PMbingoboingo- how u been 3:06:54 PM - Pastebin.com
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: I'm mostly afraid of a sibyl vane attack
punkman: BingoBoingo: I got one from a fluffypony- http://dpaste.com/0D0CQEC
assbot: dpaste: 0D0CQEC
BingoBoingo: That's a long one
BingoBoingo: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
Guaca-mole: someone called for a mole
BingoBoingo: I was hoping more for a red mole though
BingoBoingo: For Tamales
mod6: mmm devour the red mole
assbot: nullc comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind
BingoBoingo: Oh Red-Pepper-Chile much better, thanks
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1PJ218W.txt )
assbot: Dave's Data: Minting Money with Monero ... and CPU vector intrinsics
punkman: fluffypony, how's monero these days?
mircea_popescu: <Guaca-mole> someone called for a mole << hahaha
mircea_popescu: "Mike's response to that concern included the idea that "the community" would "just" decide to delete UTXOs - that is freeze funds - by creating a chain fork. Not the first time he's suggesting freezing funds; I think he's being a bit tone deaf here..."
mircea_popescu: he's not being tone deaf. teh usg wants to be able to take over bitcoin, is all.
ben_vulpes: where's that from, mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: reddit above
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo's link
BingoBoingo: Looks like the node behavior battle is warming up
mircea_popescu: i like how hearn is attacking todd lol. asif.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony-: ;;gettrust fluffypony << lawl
fluffypony: as if
mircea_popescu: ;;ident mircea_popescu-
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: i should prolly group all these huh.
mircea_pope5cu: i guess that's all i can think of.
assbot: justusranvier comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind
mircea_popescu: cazalla: is price-to-income a good way of evaluating a housing bubble? << it's an indicator. tho it also reflects the center/periphery balance (ie, in any realm, the capital is cheapest and the fringes most expensive. that's where mining happens or w/e, higher risk adventuring. easier money, less boring people, higher risk so many explanations for larger rents)
jurov: you forgot mirceau_popescue :)
mircea_popescu: "Satoshi created a hairball. It takes years sometimes to cleanup a codebase that has accumulated a lot of technical debt. It's not reasonable to just stop all feature development in the meantime."
mircea_popescu: fucking hell ? a) STILL with the "satoshi hairball" bs ? 5 years later ? b) it's not "Reasonable" ? it';s fucking mandatory.
mircea_popescu: "o my house is burning, it's not reasonable to stop watching pokemon while putting the fire out"
ben_vulpes: the house might get wet though!
mircea_popescu: the problem with reddit is that a fucktarded audience gives incentive for fucktarded arguments from people who would otherwise shut up.
mircea_popescu: this is why you don't want every dick and jane "participating". they fucking corrupt anything they participate in.
jurov: well, PHP style
assbot: mike_hearn comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind
mircea_popescu: people - reasonable, respectable people that is - need to stop engaqging that scumbag in conversation and simply insult him wherever he shows up.
fluffypony: if only you were still on Twitter and could just threaten his life
mircea_popescu: o, the notion that hearn survives the transfer of power is just ludicrous anyway.
mircea_popescu: 't imagine anyone had any lingering doubts.
mircea_popescu has the great buenos aires trial of the enemies of freedom script half written already.
assbot: Add NODE_BLOOM service bit and bump protocol version by petertodd Pull Request #2900 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
ben_vulpes: well with all this drama i should be a millionaire any day
mircea_popescu: confucius sez : one is not a millionaire by day what is a million at night.
ben_vulpes sez "wat"
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 507.0, Best ask: 507.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.47000, Last trade: 507.47, 24 hour volume: 7688.93959555, 24 hour low: 507.0, 24 hour high: 515.58, 24 hour vwap: 510.487601858
ben_vulpes: WHERE'S MY LULZBOUNCE
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: blaming banks for bubble is like blaming bartenders for alcoholism << this has a lengthy tradition in the puritan world.
mircea_popescu: dub: a bartender can't legally serve someone thats already drunk as fuck, a bank only has its own criteria << actualkly a bank also can't lend to the bankrupt, so...
kakobrekla: still both do it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://seba.eu.org/public/ebola.png <<< sooo, it's an epidemic ?
kakobrekla: dunno
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: in making the election to accept $20 for a cab ride home, you will be deemed to not have been drugged and assaulted at my house last night << sounds legit.
mircea_popescu: kinda how coed partying works irl no ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: dvsdude dont worry about your chumphood, we all got chumped at some point << orly now :D
mircea_popescu: xanthyos whoa straight flush ?
mircea_popescu: to the ace, pre river ? that's what, 1 in 300k
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i suspect Cavirtex is doing fundraising or such and wants to fuck over the real early angels << if this is true, the published announcement opens all the directors to pretty serious criminal liability, not to mention that any court would undo the "sale".
mircea_popescu: in fact, any half-sane investor would back out once this mess is brought to their attention, seeing how the only thing coming out of it is a decade of litigation on his money.
mircea_popescu: o hal finney died huh. rip.
kanzure: he is just temporarily inconvenienced
mircea_popescu: dude i tell you... reviving sickly old farts sounds pretty fucking threatening.
kanzure: why's that?
mircea_popescu: you know what pays for keeping 60yos around to be 80yo currently ?
mircea_popescu: to put it another way : a century ago, back when university professors had the common decency to die aged 60ish, kids ended up with assistant professroships aged 20something, not 30+.
punkman: same scammer is trying kakobrekla- now http://dpaste.com/1KCDQ05
assbot: dpaste: 1KCDQ05
Apocalyptic: "punkman: that's fluffypony's email" lol'd
mircea_popescu: !up toddf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0008518 = 21.7209 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: xanthyos whenever I played SWC I also suspected that good hands came too often << as long as they come equally often for everyone, i imagine the argument goes, this isn'tr cheating but promotion.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: TheNewDeal: the site has a profit motive in having big showdowns. in cash games it increases rake taken on the hand. << it's not just that. most poker players are idiots. they like to see the pretty pictures. makes them feel better about themselves.
mircea_popescu: punkman: ben_vulpes: oic, they put everything in btcwire library, but btcd won't use it << bitwire is iirc todd's thing to make network move faster
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: then later "hey did you get my message?" << they don't have gribble where they live. because barbarians.
mircea_popescu: and because "usability"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5515 @ 0.00085075 = 4.6919 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov: it's beneath them to concern with individual and personal key verification << yeah, because everyone wants to talk to people it can't even learn the name of. totally.
kakobrekla: punkman he doesnt want to talk to me :(
mircea_popescu: i wonder why
kakobrekla: not like i can dcc bite him
mircea_popescu: you prolly can, actually.
BingoBoingo: http://www.bnd.com/2014/08/27/3370370/lawsuit-deputies-coerced-confession.html << Yates, who has diminished cognitive ability, was repeatedly told that they knew he was involved in the robbery and that he could avoid being put into jail by confessing, the lawsuit states. A visibly shaken Yates eventually agreed to admit to the crime to end the psychologically brutal interrogation, his attorneys said. The defendants had to repeated
assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat
BingoBoingo: ly spoon-feed details to him about the armed robbery.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00085376 = 11.3123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.0008541 = 5.6712 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: dunno /dcc bite sez command not found
ben_vulpes: framing retards
ben_vulpes: way2go
ben_vulpes: i've heard some great rumors on the hipster conspiracy circuit lately
ben_vulpes: "you must have an iq of less than 115 to actually pass the tests and be a cop"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ancient romanian joke : people trying to become cops are given an intelligence test, the geometric shapes and box with cutouts thing.
mircea_popescu: test results : 1% of candidates are smart
mircea_popescu: 99% are strong.
ben_vulpes: heheh
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: originally soviet afaik
mircea_popescu: yeah well
asciilifeform: so - how long does conformal corp. have before one should conclude they failed the 'test' (approved mircea_popescu's comment) ?
mircea_popescu: next time they publish something on that blog ?
assbot: Crazy RxMan: Don't Quit your Day Job
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 317985 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 542 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26605822005.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.57974
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so - how long does conformal corp. have before one should conclude they failed the 'test' (approved mircea_popescu's comment) ? << Another possibility may be retarded/ovezealous/otherwise poisoned spam filtering.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not likely, given the very low index of the comment in question
mircea_popescu: was a few hundred, they don't get that many comments.
asciilifeform: 'included the idea that "the community" would "just" decide to delete UTXOs - that is freeze funds...'
asciilifeform sees this and every time wonders if he's responsible for this crackpottery with 'shitcoin' essay
mircea_popescu: this is how much teh usg dimwit in charge of this project comprehends of these matters. fuckwit actually imagined that "the community" is stupid enough and the stupid enough part relevant enough to go for shit like this because... it says "the community" in it.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's really a comission of idiots, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: if you look at it, typical she-brained dc staffer mental processes.
asciilifeform: i suppose everyone here knows what the word 'community' means to a usg muppet
asciilifeform: hint - the phrase 'international community'
assbot: Man 'Accidentally Falls' on Gerbil That Ran Through Lube - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3364 @ 0.0008478 = 2.852 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up WoT-Hater
WoT-Hater: we up in socialist canada don't need the wot, eh? we just trust our good neighbor and maple syrup danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron is a maple syrup?
mircea_popescu: WoT-Hater who're you again ?
WoT-Hater: just a good citizen clicking a link on the internet, sir
mircea_popescu: i guess he clicked once too many.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/7Q95dn3z << script kiddies hard at work.
BingoBoingo: skiddies or sophisticates wearing skiddie clothes for another round of probing?
ben_vulpes: now i have this image of mp sitting watching trilema logs scroll by on slow days in #b-a
BingoBoingo: I imagine MP reading these logs off of a projection onto a girl's back as she's bent over
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol this was actually mpex proxy logs
ben_vulpes: well mpex, trilema...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure gives new meaning to calling someone an asshole.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it'd be her butt and legs were she bent over
mircea_popescu: teh buttighs
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Not if he's inside her
mircea_popescu: "“Expect the government to take action to bring this rate down – fast,” wrote Bianca Fernet, stilettos-on-the-ground American economist in Buenos Aires and contributor to Wolf Street. T"
mircea_popescu: lol at that linked thing.
mircea_popescu: On Friday, the peso recovered a smidgen, and the reported “blue dollar” rate dipped below 14 ARS/USD, after the central bank had reportedly blown $10 million of its foreign exchange reserves to prop it up. << to put this in perspective : the argentine natl bank foreign reserves went up 2.5 bn in the interval since i wrote im supporting them and the reporting cutoff for q2. (ie, early august)
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mircea_popescu: that reminds me BingoBoingo : i was gonna say i don't like curtis yarvin / mencius moldbug for the following very specific reason - he sounds exactly like a propaganda job for smart people.
mircea_popescu: ie, he admits some "outrageous" points, which gives him some credence in the eyes of the more naive intelligent folk, youngestrs mostly. he then turns around and uses this capital to consolidate the very monster he pretends to position himself against
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mircea_popescu: "This should be reason enough for anyone to avoid taking up cudgels on behalf of either."
mircea_popescu: the whole thing works, intentionally or no, as a fine work of mr o'brien. only a fucking imbecile would imagine that THAT is the book of the insurgency.
mircea_popescu: the insurgency is not derping with stupid books, the insurgency is the mob, amassing power at the bottom of the market fluxes in the utopian world.
mircea_popescu: this because back at reality ranch, the only way to win the game is to constantly attack all the way to the king. there's no prizes for having lost the game but "successfully sieged a rook".
mircea_popescu: which is the spirit behind that clause, and generally speaking the spirit behind everything that'll ever work.
dignork: mircea_popescu: he is consistent, moldbag is proposing a model of "better" government, when current one crashes, for whatever reason.
mircea_popescu: he is consistent in the sense that he doesn't want the current one to crash.
mircea_popescu: once that's on the table, the difference between yarvin and dutta is purely cosmetic.
dignork: more that he doesn't see how it can be crashed, so he stays passive
mircea_popescu: i do not believe so.
mircea_popescu: if this were the true case he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-killer-ap six weeks after it became obvious to him bitcoin is the killer ap.
mircea_popescu: he'd have been here, long ago.
dignork: He claims that democracy is self-stabilizing mud, and hence almost uncrashable
mircea_popescu: i am aware.
mircea_popescu: this is not a disinterested claim.
dignork: in any case, through his writings I was searching for a better model, but he forgot to provide one, so it was fun to read, but nothing more
diametric: i always love coming home to digikey boxes at my doorstep.
mircea_popescu: dignork reading can't hurt anyway.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am astounded by that post, the structure and foundation of his argument, and his conclusions. Applying Subcontinental templates onto Us society with the readiness a programmer might call some javascript data structures to be used in python
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what i most took exception with was the inane proposition that the mob (w/.e he calls it, d something) had "no cultural insitutions"
mircea_popescu: fuck off, the only reason you can even have a decent meal in new york is the fucking mob.
mircea_popescu: as far as that lasts, if it even survived past the brahmin bloomberg.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, the relative success of b-a as compared to every other dickless-shithead run channel on freenode and beyond speaks directly to the superior cultural achievements and ability of the structured society.
BingoBoingo: Or that H and D are specifically "Blue" as though he has never been to this "Middle America"
mircea_popescu: so to come round circle, i guess he could be just incredibly fucking stupid, as dignork proposes. perhaps.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, he's a reasonably useful tool, and in a utilitarian world his idiocy does not define him as his utility does.
BingoBoingo: Maybe he works as a "convenient highlighter"
dignork: mircea_popescu: I never said he is stupid, but the proposed model is not thought through.
BingoBoingo: I've never really liked his argumentative style as he tries to put forth the grand societal argment relying on mush that seem reminiscent of Urbit "jets"
mircea_popescu: dignork de facto, in the "malicious or idiotic" dilemma you were proposing the latter.
mircea_popescu: or at least it's what i read.
dignork: that's an extrapolation, but a good one.
BingoBoingo: One can not build a banana republic by stacking deck chairs on the titanic.
BingoBoingo: The water's too deep
mircea_popescu: dignork i don't consider idiocy to be any more all-encompassing than genius. one can be a chemistry genius and die of accidental exposure. one can similarly be a complete idiot in say politics and yet an accomplished farmer.
mircea_popescu: (and yes im thinking of jefferson_
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dignork: malicious vs. idiotic problem is an intersting one: when I see somebody smarter than myself, by say +3 points, i can assume that he didn't find a solution because it required +4
dignork: alternative: I assume that he is +6, because that's how smart he supposed to be to fool me...
dignork: default would be +3
mircea_popescu: this however is not supported by what we're discussing. when you see someone who displays the mental gymnastics required to comprehend the ffi, and then fails to resolve a problem which requires merely differential calculus
mircea_popescu: what then ?
mircea_popescu: s/ffi/fast fourier transform/
ben_vulpes: allo pete
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:<asciilifeform> (what's it about in reality? real-time tracking of all meat inventory. and, with a little more magic - your car is own gasenwagen when time comes.) << they already had a pilot for this. amusingly, it was sold as an expensive ad on for luxury brands. northstar or something. << northstar was the name of a fairly awful gm v8, onstar was their tracking device
mircea_popescu: ah right
pete_dushenski: twas available on all gm vehicles and even some volkswagens, such as the phaeton
pete_dushenski: heya ben_vulpes
dignork: it also can be a mental barrier, for exmaple if he tries to maintain humanism, while rejecting democracy
BingoBoingo: Onstar was the meat tracker
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ty (and kakobrekla) for fixing the ads!
mircea_popescu: dignork functionally, this is idiocy (denying the fruits of reason lest they interfere with the desires of emotion)
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> twas available on all gm vehicles and even some volkswagens, such as the phaeton << In undergrad our College's president had a phaeton as his College supplied vehicle.
dignork: for most, self preservation is above reasoning
mircea_popescu: no argument.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: always loved those understated beasts
mircea_popescu: most don't get to serve as cultural reference points. for this reason.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dignork functionally, this is idiocy (denying the fruits of reason lest they interfere with the desires of emotion) << Amazing how the Yarvins don't separate their reasoned arguments from their emotional rants
pete_dushenski: i test drove one… and broke it
pete_dushenski: that convinced me they were too fragile and i ended up with a 350z for a few years
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do i ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You write in a way that the elements of the emotional rants and reasoned arguments have clear seperations discernable to readers
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is in any way my merit.
mircea_popescu: i always thought the distinction is the job of the readership.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: May be because you didn't grow up on Ingles
mircea_popescu: or maybe because i killed andreas antonowhatevs
BingoBoingo: Anyways, misdemeanor disordely case appears to have been continued. Have to get a hold of the lawyer to find out in which of the two ways, the beneficial way ot the optimally beneficial way this went.
mircea_popescu: no but im seriously offended. the entire fucking pile of a century worth of chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output.
mircea_popescu: it's not that the us doesn';t have a great brahmin novel. it has NOTHING.
mircea_popescu: it contributed to the culture of the world less than fucking chad
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no but im seriously offended. the entire fucking pile of a century worth of chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output. << I blame Husserl and Derrida
mircea_popescu: and this schmuck has the unmitigated audacity to belittle other shit from atop of all that nonachievement ?!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo neither were usians.
mircea_popescu: at least chadians dance and shit.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The USian Brahmin emulate the French, for some god awful reason.
mircea_popescu: stupid ass us "brahmins" can't even take their clothes off.
mircea_popescu: what french lol. i fucked french.
mircea_popescu: they're emulating a 1844 postcard sent from paris, wisconsin.
mircea_popescu: and drawn by some out of work industrial sketcher dude.
BingoBoingo: The USian brahamin could have done great if they would have let James starve when the dumpsters ran out of food and instead elevated Peirce
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo even leaving that scandal aside, consider their treatment of buffett.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More their imagined sense of the french
mircea_popescu: guy comprehends more economy than the entire profession of academic economist in the history of the united states.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: at least chadians dance and shit. << usians twerk
mircea_popescu: they're doing some pathetic recouping of old-and-senile buffett now, mostly predicated on denouncing as heresy his actually useful contributions, two decades prior.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski no, that's still the chadians. show me one of these fucktarded, social sciences major chick twerking.
mircea_popescu: preferably one that doesn't look like a whale coming aground.
pete_dushenski: sm derps jiggle, black bitches twerk
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> pete_dushenski no, that's still the chadians. show me one of these fucktarded, social sciences major chick twerking. << If I still used the Facebook thing this might be possible.
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mircea_popescu: 's what it is.
pete_dushenski: lol i shoulda used douchecanoe instead of contravex
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski sadly i can't evaluate your contribution because youtube considers it dangerous for minors such as myself.
BingoBoingo: lol, same here
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiODkiH_d0 << all white, not all terrible actually
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mircea_popescu: white is scarcely the qualification here.
mircea_popescu: 50k in debt, social sciences degree and a history of opining in the press is the qualification.
pete_dushenski: though it's tough to know if they're white when most faces are obscured and light levels not conducive to determining skin tone
mircea_popescu: it'd be a sad world if white chicks were all fucktarded,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he [yarvin] doesn't want the current one to crash << this is because he is persuaded (not necessarily wrongly) that he and his children will be eaten by orcs when crash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-... << claims that he tried (and gave up, because 'can have problems')
mircea_popescu: suppose i ran for fucking congress in say south africa, on the internal conviction that upon the destruction of south africa lies my prosperity.
mircea_popescu: would you expect the electorate there to welcome me ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-... << claims that he tried (and gave up, because 'can have problems') << lies. what is the urbit thing ?
asciilifeform: the mob << grep mr mold's works for 'looks like hitler'
asciilifeform: he has phobias.
mircea_popescu: i meant mob as in, cosa nostra mob.
asciilifeform: damnit i step out to drill a few holes in the dirt shack and miss all the good stuff (tm) as always.
mircea_popescu: it didn't go anywhere lol, simmer.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell vexual that's wonderful that you *can* now *may* you recommend some restaurants in syd/mel?
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> he has phobias. << Some people come to Bitcoin out of their technical knowledge. Some people like myself come because crazy. A Yarvin beats around the bushes because of an uncomfortable median?
asciilifeform: chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output >> does an arsonist contribute to a city ?
mircea_popescu: so you smell... rotten cum, as a passing waft. you figure... whatever, my mind's brokt. then you smell it again. eventually you tear the whole house upside down, nothing nowhere. to eventually find it comes from.... an older avocado.
asciilifeform: consider their treatment of buffett >> last i checked he was alive and well ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but not worshipped.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output >> does an arsonist contribute to a city ? << Oftentimes. StL Brick theives have contributed tremendously to Atlanta suburbs, and Florida.
mircea_popescu: and no, an arsonist isn't a contributor, nor chomski much of an arsonist at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where's buffett's nobel prize ?
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> that convinced me they were too fragile and i ended up with a 350z for a few years << how was it? >? new subies?
mircea_popescu: where's the "we can't do this because buffett says it's stupid" policy discussion ?
asciilifeform: buffett's nobel prize >> might wanna check out what happened to nobel prize in past 50y or so
asciilifeform: if buffett were awarded it, he might well have it shaved into 'goldschlager' so he can shit it out into golden toilet on camera
mircea_popescu: i dun follow.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> buffett's nobel prize >> might wanna check out what happened to nobel prize in past 50y or so << Maybe the point of fiat and inflation was to turn the Nobel reward into a "blue ribbon" at the science fair
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: was it better than an sti?
asciilifeform: and apparently 'xapo' sells (but not buys?) btc now.
BingoBoingo wonders how long Coinroll contributed to his VAN pool, you know the /. traffic is big 24 hours tapers next 24 and returns to "normal" day 3 if previous experiences are informative
asciilifeform: (new dump engine...)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the 350z was a better highway car by far. effortless 6th gear hauling. fit 2 sets of golf clubs.
pete_dushenski: subies are kinda hollow feeling on the highway
BingoBoingo: I still miss my bright red Grand Am with the sound system
BingoBoingo: But a truck ate it
pete_dushenski: of course, in the winter, the subie is better at everything as the 350 is parked.
asciilifeform: an older avocado <<
pete_dushenski: and both are too firm around town
kakobrekla: dunno if xapo does much more than send out spam
asciilifeform tried to eat an avocado as starving student, found out what 50g of ants taste like.
BingoBoingo: Grand Am was great on the gravel roads and the freeway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't/didn't eat them in the states. but here they're pretty great
mircea_popescu: just... gotta beat the molds to it.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: those things were definitely cruisers
asciilifeform dined at house of girl who liked to 'freegan' (term for fishing 'still good!11!' food out of skips)
mircea_popescu: skips ?!
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asciilifeform: behind grocery stores
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, this was a late 90's one. Had exactly all the performance I could want or handle out of a car
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, why not go the whole distance, go live in a master's basement
mircea_popescu: "brahmin" culture : how to be shockingly fucktarded for no apparent reason.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: wd!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps she does now - no idea
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> asciilifeform see, why not go the whole distance, go live in a master's basement << Some homo spiens apparently idolize Procyon lotor lifestyle
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> 50k in debt, social sciences degree and a history of opining in the press is the qualification.
ben_vulpes: << 50k's a pretty low bar these days
ben_vulpes: that's barely a single year at a nominally high-end school
mircea_popescu: people at the high end schools go into finance and consulting anyway.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> it'd be a sad world if white chicks were all fucktarded, << we're all born so, and either have it beaten out of us or...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "nominally"
mircea_popescu: the average redditard dereping about women in videogames has a degree from middlesex community college.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> that's barely a single year at a nominally high-end school << It isn't any particular year, but the number of consecutive years you can stack together.
ben_vulpes: they bill the same for choose your own adventure degrees
asciilifeform: most u.s. unis bill by something called 'credit hour' - loosely corresponds to 'by weight'
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell vexual that's wonderful that you *can* now *may* you recommend some restaurants in syd/mel? << *would*
asciilifeform: with various 'mandatory fees', housing, books, etc. tacked on.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> they bill the same for choose your own adventure degrees << I tried to do this and major in "reality studies" a combination of mathematics and philosophy
mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo does Περὶ Φύσεως
asciilifeform: phun phact. u.s. tuition costs are growing - exponentially.
asciilifeform: fat racket.
mircea_popescu: not really. they just follow inflation.
asciilifeform: the real inflation.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Through much of my childhood I though winning was getting a cabin in the woods and simply abiding.
BingoBoingo: But then you get a taste of fuck and shit ain't that simple no more
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asciilifeform: winning was getting a cabin in the woods >> why cabin, and not plane ticket
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was but a larva, I merely wanted to exist with a minimum of external human dependent inputs and persist to a natural end.
asciilifeform: diametric: what was in the box ?
diametric: asciilifeform: a bunch of molex microfit 3 connectors
diametric: so i can connectorize all my things
asciilifeform rarely buys from 'digikey' these days because fat minimum order
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diametric: i try to wait until i have a ton of things i want.
diametric: but i ran out of connectors a while ago and i have a few 3d printers i want to throw connectors on the tool heads so I can switch out various hotends for testing.
asciilifeform: diametric: molex is a bitch if you want machine-self-changing heads though
asciilifeform: has the retainer peg, has to be pressed
diametric: yeah, i don't want those for these
diametric: that would be cool to do on my delta though.
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asciilifeform: RIP arse technica.
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decimation: diametric: I use those overpriced 'anderson powerpole' connectors for high-current dc power
BingoBoingo: Mexican gun laws are weird
decimation: re: yarvin's OV-BDH model: I'm not so sure the mob would count as Dalit, I was thinking more underclass non-black minorities
asciilifeform: decimation: that's specifically who mr. mold is afraid of.
diametric: decimation: funny enough, i've been using traxxas connectors for high-current dc myself.
asciilifeform: or rather - majorities
decimation: diametric: I bought the custom powerpole crimp tool, so I'm stuck
decimation: at any rate, I Yarvin's model of elite whites being allied with minorities/plebes against productive people is quite obvious. The problem is that the gig is up, the elite/underclass are the clear winners
BingoBoingo: How am I supposed to finance a walk through Mexico and build a war chest by picking a cartel and selling their enemy's heads to them. MOdern Role Playing Games are a lie.
mircea_popescu: cazalla thanks, a whole world of white girls twerking lays open to me now!
BingoBoingo: Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico even if the weapon is lawfully registered in your name in the United States (or any other country of residence) and even when the weapon falls under the types and calibers permitted for civilian ownership in Mexico. Unless the bearer has explicit authorization from the Secretariat of National Defense, it is illegal and punishable by law to enter Mexican territory with
BingoBoingo: any firearm as well as to keep and carry any firearm on your person or vehicle at any time, anywhere. These permits cannot be obtained at Mexican customs and immigration when entering Mexico. They must be obtained in advance and in possession of the bearer before any gun enters Mexico. Once entering Mexico with a gun without previous authorization from the Mexican government, a crime has been committed.[36]""
decimation: diametric: how much do those cost?? they look expensive
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Ar's diplomatic site has same rule, with almost identical wording
BingoBoingo: This just means an innocent backpacker must pick a cartel sooner to survive to guatemala
diametric: decimation: cheap when you but the chinese knockoffs that in my experience are the same quality.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ars has dealers outside the capitol city though
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: presumably mexico would prefer that you 'buy local'
asciilifeform: support their light industry.
decimation: mexican gunsmiths need stimulating?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mexico has exactly 1 retailer, equivalent of a red state ABV store
decimation: diametric: http://www.andersonpower.com/products/singlepole-connectors.html << powerpoles. can buy up to 350 amp rating!
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Alcoholic Beverage Commision, red state relic in red states without viable businesses
diametric: decimation: nice.
diametric: most of my high amp stuff is RC related, and usually only burst up above 100 amps at any given time
decimation: mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap
diametric: though, I think my days of flying RC stuff are over. the only place i had time to do it at put up a massive fence that prevents me from retrieving my aircraft when it crashes over the field.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: have ye heard tell of the OLCC?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> re: yarvin's OV-BDH model: I'm not so sure the mob would count as Dalit, I was thinking more underclass non-black minorities << why not ?
mircea_popescu: power, money and a disinterest in "theory" as pencilnecks misrepresent it.
asciilifeform: diametric: consider adding landing gear
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: OLCC?
BingoBoingo: Imma trying to remember a lot of abreviations
ben_vulpes: Oregon Liquor Control Commission
ben_vulpes: our local state-owned booze monopoly
asciilifeform pictured 'one-line c contest'
decimation: mircea_popescu: Italians generally have become 'integrated' to the degree that they are no longer looked upon as minorities
ben_vulpes: all hail the benevolent socialist state of oregon
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No, not specifically.
diametric: asciilifeform: maybe if i was pro at flying.
decimation: no doubt actual mobsters have plenty of friends in the underclasses
decimation: USG isn't pleased with flying robots either
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico << i carried a .45 all through the us customs, into mexico and back into europe. nobody gave a shit. costa rica exit checks made an older french woman throw away her clearly rare & expensive cream. i put the thing right on top of the pile, explained to the guy it's got no clip. the guy was "a ok, if it has no clip..." waved me through. woman's
mircea_popescu: eyes bulged about a foot.
mircea_popescu: decimation i dun see this entire racialist angle. it either is one thing or the other.
ben_vulpes: cream coulda been derpslosives tho!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Beautiful
mod6: %tslb
mircea_popescu: now mind, i wouldn't recommend anyone try it just like that.
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: i'm a dangerous nut to follow blindly.
ben_vulpes: that's not so unbelievable.
decimation: mircea_popescu: Here's my confusion. Yarvin would call a USG-funded professor a "brahmin", but said professor is a parasite on society, in a manner that is much more harmful than your average urban poor folk.
ben_vulpes: the rules for firearm handling at us airports are pretty cut-and-dried.
decimation: is professor a criminal or part of the overclass?
mod6: oh whoops
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phact. in usa, the popular 'm16/ar' rifle is not legally 'arms' if it is missing the little aluminum part that holds the clip and trigger mechanism.
asciilifeform: presumably ok at airport, even.
asciilifeform has not obtained and tried
mircea_popescu: <decimation> mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap << wut ?!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: phun phact. in usa, the popular 'm16/ar' rifle is not legally 'arms' if it is missing the little aluminum part that holds the clip and trigger mechanism. << According to US definitions that part IS the rifle
asciilifeform: whatever has the serial number stamp is 'the rifle'
asciilifeform: ancient law.
BingoBoingo: the lower reciever IS the rifle
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 16 minutes
asciilifeform: this was the original inspiration for the 'plastic printed rifle' thing. that portion, apparently, is not exposed to gas pressure and can be made of virtually anything harder than cardboard
mircea_popescu: <decimation> is professor a criminal or part of the overclass? << to be a criminal he'd have to commit a crime. what's the crime here ?
mod6: anyway, saw this: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=175 so decided to finally try to fix this for the 3rd time. a much more simple approach now, thanks to Apocalyptic for the help.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
decimation: robbing said urban poor folk to propagandize their children
mircea_popescu: um. you're playing too fast and kinda loose with the definitions.
mircea_popescu: what's next, capitalist profit = robbery of the workers ?
cazalla: coinfire are pretty lulzy, one line and i'm reelin' em in http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/26/gaw-increasing-hashlet-prices/
assbot: GAW Increasing Hashlet Prices Again - Coin Fire
cazalla: he'll step down if i request it lol
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The GAW thing smells so much of scam and marketing Y as X
decimation: mircea_popescu: I would ceratianly agree that whatever one wants to label "brahmin culture" in the us, it hasn't contributed much to global human capital
BingoBoingo: ;;google iggy fancy
gribble: Iggy Azalea - Fancy (Explicit) ft. Charli XCX - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-zpOMYRi0w>; Fancy Lyrics - Iggy Azalea | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/fancy-lyrics-iggy-azalea.html>; Fancy (Iggy Azalea song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_(Iggy_Azalea_song)>
assbot: Romania Joins As First Bitcoin Foundation Chapter Affiliate in Eastern Europe - Coin Fire
kakobrekla: go romania
ben_vulpes: OLD NOOZ, KAKO
kakobrekla: sez latest story on dat scamsite
BingoBoingo: Went from being promising to scamsite so fast that one did
mod6: ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs X-BT.com & Nice guy, helped fix a bug in atcbot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 1 to 1.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 394 @ 0.00250208 = 0.9858 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: said part is called "lower receiver" http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/26/80-ar-15-receiver-determination-letter-atf/ << apparently you can only make for personal use, thus 3d printing
assbot: 80% AR-15 Lower Receiver Determination Letter from the ATF - The Firearm Blog
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're late
decimation: asciilifeform: no word on whether selling a cardboard cutout version would be similiarly banned
kakobrekla: better late than later.
assbot: AZEALIA BANKS - 212 FT. LAZY JAY - YouTube
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: 2 different azelia's
mircea_popescu: !up BigBitz
ben_vulpes: hook from the latter "i guess that cunt gettin' eatin"
mircea_popescu: what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ?
ben_vulpes: of fucking course bingo, the latter is black and makes better music
mircea_popescu: !up cardigm
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust danielpbarron
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: :)
asciilifeform: decimation: interesting re: linked photo set (milling on a drill press!) very 'jungle conditions'
asciilifeform: but loopholes work only for so long as the crown wishes.
mircea_popescu: decimation that for one thing. for the other, the only way to read yarvin's definition outside of "the mob" would require absolute midwestern innocence of the mob
decimation: asciilifeform: it's amusing to what degree folks are willing to comply with plainly idiotic usg regulations
mircea_popescu: as an ~urban~ institution mind you. it has nothing to do with italians, other than in the sense italians were at the time the most urban ethnic group in the us
asciilifeform: decimation: the more interesting thing is the belief that 'compliance' will save them from gasenwagen
decimation is innocent of the mob, in a midwestern way
mircea_popescu: i can tell.
ben_vulpes: i got my first negrating this month guys
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ? << My best impression is he is trying to WoT up a bunch of local acquaintances and... old tensions and dramas come forth, but I lack context to interpret severity...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is why stuff like 1984 are so good. the fuckwit hero actually believes that o'brien is the guy to go to for the secret book.
mircea_popescu: i mean... what the fuck more.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it is rarely the case that one walks around the city finding things labeled 'mob'
mircea_popescu: decimation really ?
mircea_popescu: i would suspect it much depends on what you mean by "one".
asciilifeform: walks around the city finding things labeled 'mob' -- japan.
mircea_popescu: it's not that when i ran into the local mobsters i immediately knew. it's that they ALSO figured it out within five minutes.
assbot: Heavy Metal And Reflective (Official Music Video) - Azealia Banks - YouTube
mircea_popescu: the same argument could be made by a blonde twerking ditz going "it's not that she ever ran into anything labeled physics"
mircea_popescu: or "code"
decimation: asciilifeform: I find it amusing that folks with retirement accounts work so hard to 'shelter' them from taxation under the latest rules, as if usg would allow one to accumulate wealth without taking it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what'd you do ?
mircea_popescu: decimation hehehe quite.
decimation: the latest deal is 'roth' - the deal being that if you pay taxes now, usg promises never to tax your earnings on that money again
decimation: I find this to be as likely as darth vader abiding by his verbal contract
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : i find it amusing that folks in a quarrel with the government hire government agents to "defend" them at significant expense.
thestringpuller: who here is on #bitcoin-assets at dragon con
thestringpuller raises hand
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: negrated him for pimping pirate
decimation: mircea_popescu: my experience is that most fleecing of the taxpayers takes place by former gov't employees
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell ognasty do stop in to the channel of record and explain how i'm abusing the WoT rating system.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: o that guy.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what's a dragon con ?
decimation: USG doesn't allow gov't employees to have free meals or more than $20 per year in gifts from potential 'business' contacts
assbot: U.S. Office of Government Ethics - Gifts & Payments
decimation: it is well known that the way to 'game' this system is to provide very favorable business terms to a large company, who will hire you after you 'retire' for a very large salary
thestringpuller: ;;google dragon con
gribble: Home Page | Dragoncon: <http://www.dragoncon.org/>; Memberships & Presales | Dragoncon: <http://www.dragoncon.org/?q=membership_pre_sales>; Guests | Dragoncon: <http://www.dragoncon.org/?q=guests>
thestringpuller: tl;dr; giant nerd convention
thestringpuller: for the south east
assbot: Ex-Boeing CFO pleads guilty in Air Force procurement scandal - Defense - GovExec.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.274 = 0.548 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation "scam" only inasmuch as boeing is tbtf anyway, so without this scam it'd have had to be a different scam.
mircea_popescu: but having someone to scapegoat is always the preferred avenue. poor abakumov.
mircea_popescu: "how dares this lowly individual give boeing money we'd have given it anyway"
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah that's how I read it. the taxpayers "needed" to give that money away, and plenty of 'legitimate' boeing execs will get golden parachutes, etc.
ben_vulpes: how was dryun coerced though?
decimation: ben_vulpes: you mean how did they get her to talk?
ben_vulpes: sure, that
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm now playing The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill loud enough for the bums outside the warehouse to hear
ben_vulpes: landlord of record has 2? 3? kw of sound equipment for my pleasure.
assbot: Daughter shielded in Boeing scandal - Chicago Tribune
decimation: "According to her plea agreement, Druyun contacted Sears four years ago and asked if he could arrange a Boeing job for her daughter's then-boyfriend, Michael McKee. McKee was "immediately contracted" by Sears and began working at Boeing in September 2000, the document shows."
ben_vulpes: i can't wrap my head around how these people would give dryuns kids jobs and not see this coming ten miles away
ben_vulpes: i figure this is related to why i can't make any money scamming "nobody will ever fall for that!"
decimation: ben_vulpes: in the world of ex-gov't employees collecting their post-employment paychecks, this was a pretty stupid case
mircea_popescu: ;;google Lauryn Hill nude
gribble: Lauryn Hill Nude Photos Leaked Online - Mediamass: <http://en.mediamass.net/people/lauryn-hill/nude-pics.html>; Lauryn Hill Highest-Paid Singer in the World - Mediamass: <http://en.mediamass.net/people/lauryn-hill/highest-paid.html>; Lauryn Hill dead 2014 : Fugees ex-lead singer killed by celebrity ...: <http://en.mediamass.net/people/lauryn-hill/deathhoax.html>
decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-20/ex-nsa-chief-pitches-advice-on-cyber-threats-to-the-banks.html << "Joining a crowded field of cyber-consultants, the former National Security Agency chief is pitching his services for as much as $1 million a month."
assbot: Ex-NSA Chief Pitches Banks Costly Advice on Cyber-Attacks - Bloomberg
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes quite miseducated.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever listened to the album in question?
ben_vulpes: actually better question
ben_vulpes: do you understand black american music as sung/read/rapped?
asciilifeform allergic
ben_vulpes: not unexpected, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: y'r also not a filthy kike
asciilifeform wonders if hybrid of 'klezmer' and 'rap' exists
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes " understand" ? i get what the words are.
ben_vulpes: the gypsy dubstep fusion is about as close as it gets right now
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Unholy hybrid, ear plugs recommended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM
assbot: Taylor Swift - Shake It Off - YouTube
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: on a first listen?
mircea_popescu: yes, on a first listen. but i'm culturally rigid enough to generally regard the entire thing as you know... little more than children babbling.
mircea_popescu: "o look how cute, he could almost say compunction in spite of his oversized lips"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: beats antique is sort of in the genre of mention
decimation: a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years?
mircea_popescu: decimation the white hierarchy supporting society collapsed ?
asciilifeform: how << entropy?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? << CIA corruption
mircea_popescu: how does the french underground go from rengaine to "Irreversible" ?
mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot.
mircea_popescu: (if you've not seen that film btw... you might have to. possibly worst film ever made + 10 minutes of monica belucci being raped in the dirt)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but anyway, the point was that inasmuch as she's not published her cunt her education is quite appalingly poor.
assbot: Release group Blind Threshold by Beats Antique - MusicBrainz
asciilifeform: what's that
ben_vulpes: a sample of some horrible modern klezmer techno
ben_vulpes: "klezmer"
ben_vulpes: "techno"
ben_vulpes: listener beware
ben_vulpes: ears may bleed etc
ben_vulpes: us kids get down, tho
decimation: "white hierarchy collapsed" << seems legit. I blame complacency & wealth that came after the destruction of WWII
assbot: Edith PIAF Dans ma rue - YouTube
BingoBoingo: <decimation> "white hierarchy collapsed" << seems legit. I blame complacency & wealth that came after the destruction of WWII << ALso the decades of persistent paranoia through the cold war
mircea_popescu: there's no strength to be had among people whose history isn't thus described.
decimation: re: cold war paranoia: in retrospect, I think the paranoia was for midwestern kulaks, the elites were all "anti-"communists, in the sense that they thought that the soviet union wasn't "real" communism. Those elites didn't mind sending said kulaks to die in various foreign adventures though.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The paranoia shapes the discourse though, as well as the range of possible public discourse. A the end of the Cold War the Soviet block got to purge that, but the "West" had to redirect it to prop their system up.
mircea_popescu: now that's an interesting point.
BingoBoingo: The US government won by persisting, Eastern Bloc People qon by quitting the conflict.
decimation: BingoBoingo: agreed. The same "anti-"communists now hate Putin because he represents everything they hated about Soviet fascism. This is why usg has such an irrational policy vis-a-vie Russia
BingoBoingo: It's also why the War on Drugs got all of the Military and Propaganda department support in 1992, and why the enshrinement of 9/11 so rapidly took little time.
BingoBoingo: Were there really that much of a backstock of American Flag Lapel pins just waiting for such a crisis?
decimation: absolutely, the cold war defense complex was aimlessly looking for a 'mission'
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as bitcoin is a lot more fascist than stalin ever got... i guess prepare for a helluva lot o' love.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what do you mean by "fascist" in this context?
ben_vulpes: decimation: now normalize it against m3 ;)
decimation: ben_vulpes: or gold :)
ben_vulpes: no gold's bullshit as an index due to its captivity in government vaults and its absurd inflation via notes
BingoBoingo wonders as a lifelong USian what professions might exist in actual economies
ben_vulpes: i'll let you know if i ever figure it out
decimation: so was m3. it is interesting that it was discontinued right before it would have gone up hockey-stick style http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/discm3.htm
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, my business' sole selling point is "we're not fucking retarded and won't flake on you as soon as something more shiny comes along"
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'm approaching this problem though as someone dropping into a culture as a full time n00b
ben_vulpes: with a heavy dose of "also we can handle with a fair degree of politeness anyone in your business who feels compelled to comment on the quality of our work"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: for the poor student - what is a real economy?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, socialism is the misguided expectation/belief that the problems of the individual will be resolved by the group.
mircea_popescu: fascism is exactly the opposite : the misguided expectation/belief that the problems of the group will be resolved by an individual.
ben_vulpes: that's a tidy duality.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: for the poor student - what is a real economy? << One that doesn't resemble the dating environment in a prison
mircea_popescu: hint : the group doesn't actually exist, not in any way meaningful on the plane where the individuals do. consequently, both these come up with pretty contorted and quickly insane misrepresentations of the group
mircea_popescu: "to make it work"
decimation: yes, it's useful anyway. By that definition, the usg 'anti-communists' I mentioned above are quite simply socialists with a beef against the soviets
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what distinguishes 'socialism' from 'communism'?
BingoBoingo: decimation> yes, it's useful anyway. By that definition, the usg 'anti-communists' I mentioned above are quite simply socialists with a beef against the soviets << I dunno any other explanation for Patton's political positions.
BingoBoingo: "temperature?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes poverty.
ben_vulpes: i mean i have no clue. perhaps communism is just a thing that the us progpagandacrats came up with to point at to distract the proles from that as what was going on on the daily at home
mircea_popescu: no, communists are poor socialists
mircea_popescu: socialists are rich communists.
mircea_popescu: it's like, what's the difference between phase 2 and phase 4 lymphoma ?
mircea_popescu: the wheel chair.
ben_vulpes: in the "socialize the losses, privitize the gains"?
ben_vulpes: (sense of)
ben_vulpes: yeah.
ben_vulpes: on a radically different topic (if nobody minds), when miscellaneous computerboxen tell me "falling back to teletype" is that a reference to the Teletype Corporation of the thirties?
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why union of SOCIALIST republics / chinese COMMUNIST party.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's like, what's the difference between phase 2 and phase 4 lymphoma ? << The chance of addessing the problem completely with a knife and some anti-folates?
decimation: heh, no teletype is an old-school method of transmitting ascii/baudot from a computer/remote station to your 'terminal'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo inasmuch as you know that there's a phase 4, you also know your addressing didn't work.
decimation: terminal being in this case a kind of typewriter that can be remotely controlled
ben_vulpes: is this one of those "tar" -> "tape archive" things?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah, i figured tty was involved but what does that first 't' stand for?
assbot: Teleprinter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ben_vulpes: teletype, which...ancient transmission of text hardware?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah this problem again...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yep
ben_vulpes: lol decimation i have that precise url open right now already
ben_vulpes: computers are fascinating devices.
ben_vulpes: there's like 80 years of decisions in this thing.
decimation: traditionally one uses frequency-shift keying over radio to send these characters, using a restricted character set
ben_vulpes: frequency shit keying...
ben_vulpes googles frantically
decimation: (for radio teletype (rtty))
ben_vulpes: my mother once wrote her articles on a 4 line typewriter-cum-puter thing
ben_vulpes: there were 4 lines of lcd (or maybe only 2, i was a wee one at the time) and then transmitted them to the poo-snaper via fax iirc
decimation: this is what the german wwii enciphered RTTY machines looked like:
assbot: FISH and the Jellyfish Convoy - TICOM Archive
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo inasmuch as you know that there's a phase 4, you also know your addressing didn't work. << You know sometimes this works a la Dallas. Sometimes this doesn't like Dennis Rodman.
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=760175.0 << This GAW thing seems more and more dangerous... to idiots
assbot: Watch out for GawMiners, ZenCloud, ZenMiner.. PONZI Scheme!
decimation: ben_vulpes: that was probably a word processor like this: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/wang2200a/
decimation: interestingly these early TTY machines did not use ascii, they used something like baudot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code
assbot: Baudot code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: 26 letters + 10 numbers = 36, which is 4 more than 2^5, unfortunately. so there were many schemes for attempting to 'squeeze' 36 (plus control chars) into 5 bits
ben_vulpes: i can't even imagine a world in which bits are expensive
assbot: Eastern Illinois-Minnesota Featured A Three-Yard Punt And Dick Punch
assbot: ClubOrlov: Propaganda and the lack thereof
decimation: ben_vulpes: I can. see ascii's blockchain teleprinter
decimation: asciilifeform: it is amusing to watch Russia call the west's bluff on this matter
decimation: obviously Putin et.al. are convinced that any western opposition is going to be weak and divided. I suspect he even has tacit approval from Germany
asciilifeform: early TTY machines did not use ascii << try as they might, couldn't have - ascii was standardized in '63.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I skipped over ITA2
asciilifeform: and, in some dark corners, 'ebcdic' still lives.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.16, Best ask: 507.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 506.13, 24 hour volume: 5739.72400649, 24 hour low: 503.82, 24 hour high: 514.98, 24 hour vwap: 509.552307541
assbot: Orgia studenteasca pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not yet!
asciilifeform: can't even imagine a world in which bits are expensive >> program a fifty-cent microcontroller
asciilifeform: or soviet calculator. etc
decimation: asciilifeform: or try bouncing some bits off the moon
asciilifeform: why stop there. consider cost of, e.g., cnc machining, 'bitwise.'
decimation: asciilifeform: as in machining a plate carrying said bits, or the bits required to control the machine?
asciilifeform: the latter
asciilifeform: and of course the costliest bits: mistaken ones.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea that there's more than one peoples reading romanian encourages me. im writing a large piece now and ima link a ton of good romanian material, all quite relevant and i imagine a lot moire instructive to teh english native than the romanian.
decimation: asciilifeform: Taleb would say that some bit redundancy is probably a good idea
asciilifeform wonders what fraction of google's 'translate' load mircea_popescu's site accounts for.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it's how this international thing works in its actually useful incarnations.
asciilifeform suspects that costliest telegraph bits, not including his 'blockchaintelegraph', were the american 'elf' naval transmitter - before the latter was scrapped for cost reasons
asciilifeform: (rumour has it that it was obsoleted by a clever satellite downlink employing laser)
BingoBoingo: To most Norte Americanos even UK English is as foreign to them as any Romance Language as the vocaulary on its own is an insurmountable barrier even before approaching grammar
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