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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17979 @ 0.00068884 = 12.3847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00069141 = 15.5913 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur.
asciilifeform: notably absent from menu is 'retain army of thugs who know that spheres are interestingly secret'
asciilifeform: pertinent proverb, 'if guard knew [what's in the box] he'd pinch it himself.'
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues) << plus the fact schneier is pushing them
mircea_popescu: you know, the schneier of "this is an interesting article on gpg by Random Asshat Greene, Cryptozoologist"
TheNewDeal: gotta find me a cryptozoologist position
mircea_popescu: decimation: perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings << but it already does this.
TheNewDeal: how so>
mircea_popescu: dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots << reddit ? libertarian roots ?! when did this happen.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00068884 = 1.5154 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal l2 trust must be > 0
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: did he ever get it? << yeah yeah. it's not THAT intuitive a system
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read log ? << lol what you seriously negged the guy ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change" << yeah but change that way not this way.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: keeps this feasible << and by feasible you mean plausible ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter < yeah srsly, i wouldn't put much stock in that counter.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian << it's actually not nearly as hard as it seems.
TheNewDeal: cryllic text looks daunting upfront
mircea_popescu: it's perfectl;y transliterable tho, which means the font is just a mask.
mircea_popescu: not such for stuff like chinese, say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun << i dun see it.
TheNewDeal: reminds me of solving a http://www.wikihow.com/Image:Complete-a-Cryptogram-Step-1.jpg
assbot: Image:Complete a Cryptogram Step 1.jpg - wikiHow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ? <<< open up for bids, bid 1 btc/day on your own thing, this way you're charged a bitcent a day and in exchange you get a guarantee that nobody willing to pay less than 1 btc per half your impressions shows up.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing < :D
mircea_popescu: "experience ? what is that ?"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah that one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one? << what are weddng rings if not a system for slow-cooking tattoos ?
asciilifeform: a bitcent a day << more than i'm willing to spend on lotto
mircea_popescu: turns out this process is a lot more fundamental to bitcoin than originally thought. your exact argument can be brought by person at the brink of the wot, "i'll get in the wot if you guarantee me good deals" he may say.
asciilifeform: being in wot doesn't void yer starfish warranty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just took some arbitrary numbers. you can make it 10 bitcents a day, in which case it costs 0.1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well now that's obviously all subjective neh ?
mircea_popescu: generally the girls that've not yet been buggered tend to attach a lot more importance to it than the normal ones.
asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site, but admittedly hasn't tried hard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00068957 = 6.2406 BTC [+]
asciilifeform recently visited a restaurant he frequented as student, and noticed appearance of placemats with (very spammy) ads.
asciilifeform was palpably dismayed, felt that the place must be in dire straits
mircea_popescu: all places are in dire straits
mircea_popescu: the mortgages made them wealthier.
asciilifeform: sure did.
asciilifeform: slow-cooking tattoos << or very fast cooking, if you do electrical or chemical work...
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site << anyway, this is about fucking freedom, so, you know, enjoy fucking her. it's not about adding musts, it's about adding mays.
mircea_popescu: if every time someone opened a steakhouse everyone had to go have steak there it'd be a sad world/
asciilifeform was not declaring van ad machine to be 'considered harmful'
asciilifeform: but was asked at one point why he wasn't in, and answered
hanbot: wait bluemeanie4's twitter profile reads "cryptocurrency prophet"?! https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4
assbot: Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter
asciilifeform doesn't stop in crosswalks on busy streets to pick up penny, either.
mircea_popescu: ha that's funny.
ben_vulpes: back to this "what is the value of a bitcoin" thing again
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: closer to 'what is the value of a gram of soil'
asciilifeform: if you have a gram - you have dusty fingers
asciilifeform: a few teratons - you have a potentially-habitable planetoid
ben_vulpes: else a continent?
ben_vulpes: myeah.
ben_vulpes: grains today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0006922 = 5.3299 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: dusty hands are worth less than nothing to me. planetoid - worth something.
asciilifeform: herr newton does not tell us where the inflection point lies
asciilifeform: or how many droplets of water is a flood.
mircea_popescu: so http://altchain.org/ whence Web Design, Content Development and SEO by James Bryant.
assbot: Welcome | altchain.org :: Open Source Peer-To-Peer Cryptofinance Infrastructure
BingoBoingo: lulzy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there actually is a c).
asciilifeform: what'd that be
ben_vulpes: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwUFHE6KYsM0ZkxLVmFwbXQ3ck0/edit
assbot: peer-to-peer-assets.pdf - Google Drive
mircea_popescu: if the knowledge differential is large enough to approach the magic event horizon, hiding in plain sight works.
TheNewDeal: ;;ident shovel_boss
gribble: Nick 'shovel_boss', with hostmask 'shovel_boss!~shovel_bo@gateway/tor-sasl/shovelboss/x-56238960', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: this is how the glorious lie was born in the first place.
asciilifeform: yes but who engineers the mechanics of what is to be hidden, inside what.
mircea_popescu: see, all romans know how the law works.
mircea_popescu: none of the germans do
mircea_popescu: c).
mircea_popescu: they can even send ovid to live in the pontus, what'll that do. start a rome there, with the savages ?
asciilifeform: this presumes that either - no roman will turn coat, and explain to a german - or - no german born can understand were it told to him
mircea_popescu: if the differential is large enough
asciilifeform: much the same way we keep arithmetic secret from dogs
mircea_popescu: no german can understand it. period.
mircea_popescu: pretty much, yes.
asciilifeform: but we don't normally talk of keeping arithmetic secret from dogs
mircea_popescu: keep the germans interested in who dumped who and what's the most recent popsong/sex tape
mircea_popescu: and there you go.
asciilifeform: the name of the exercise 'keeping secret' presumes an opponent capable of knowing
mircea_popescu: well of course. SEE what a well kept secret it is ?
mircea_popescu: the germans are human just as much as the romans.
mircea_popescu: their incapcity is circumstantial and culturally constructed.
mircea_popescu: it should qualify.
asciilifeform: in card player's parlance, 'smoke more, give opponent CO poisoning'
asciilifeform: works.
mircea_popescu: how did the soviets keep their gdp secret ? and how are the us soviets keeping their gdp secret ?
asciilifeform: i suppose one might even then include a 'd)', 'sow crank bait'
asciilifeform: (discredit nosy parkers)
mircea_popescu: good read that forbidden spheres thing.
mircea_popescu: vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel.
mircea_popescu: forget abject whiners a la eli weasel & co.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00068798 = 18.2315 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up beetcoin
mircea_popescu: let me guess, it's ukrainian and backed by beet salad.
beetcoin: hahaha
beetcoin: proof of fertilizer
asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. 'here have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease.''
asciilifeform: (attributed to warsaw ghetto death diary)
beetcoin: very touching, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform didn't invent
TheNewDeal: put me down for one thousand beet coins
TheNewDeal: i'm sold
beetcoin: "Satan is glad when I am bad, / And hopes that I with him shall lie, / In fire and chains, and dreadful pains." -- Victorian child's poem
beetcoin: you must grow your own beetcoins, TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: can I buy a farming contract?
beetcoin: I'm sure someone will sell you one.
mircea_popescu: dude victorians were seriously selling bdsm to preteens ?
beetcoin: it would seem so
mircea_popescu: i wonder what's the sum total of victorian girly orgasms generated by rubbing the nubbin more or less furiously to that song.
beetcoin: i will give the answer for just a few beetshekels
TheNewDeal: i want one thousand beetcoins, screw the shekels
beetcoin: a pound of beets
asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/peepofdayorserie00mort
assbot: The peep of day : or, a series of the earliest religious instruction the infant mind is capable of receiving, with verses illustrative of the subjects : Mortimer, Favell Lee, 1802-1878 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
asciilifeform: ^ source
TheNewDeal: pound? that's not a thousand. I'm talking a kilo
beetcoin: I'm sorry, I don't have any actual beetcoins
mircea_popescu: jurov: Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, <<< aaa-hahahaha.
TheNewDeal: ;;rate beetcoin 0 worthless to me
gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally.
beetcoin: someone made this for me: http://a.pomf.se/xwjqzk.png
beetcoin: best I have to offer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine. <<< i've controlled superintelligent womenz, they luv'd it. why'd the ai necessarily not enjoy it ?
asciilifeform: question of degree.
asciilifeform: normally when people contemplate 'superintelligent' whatevers, if they use their imagination well, the machine is to us as we are to the bacterium
mircea_popescu: okay...
mircea_popescu: suppose i gave you an applesized cow that ran around the desk.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you cater to the ubercute desk cow ?
asciilifeform: might, for a spell. and then sell it to some weirdo who might, for lulz, eat it on camera
asciilifeform: like an oyster.
mircea_popescu: for the spell, how would the cow ever know it's not controlling you.
mircea_popescu: and yes, then we die. so ?
beetcoin: thanks for +v mircea_popescu, I'll mainly lurk for a while after it expires, I'm interested in this channel
asciilifeform: this sorta touches on 'housecats keep us pets' concept.
mircea_popescu: enjoy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJones
JimDowJones: yo
mircea_popescu: ello.
TheNewDeal: so hard to get voice in the channel; it's a barrier
JimDowJones: i think i love irc
TheNewDeal: iirc
mircea_popescu: ancient but dependable slut, irc.
JimDowJones: ya seriously what a slut
nubbins`: great barrier +veef
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: herr vanunu: archetypical example of 'can have problems'
asciilifeform: (bonus: look up who else sat in the same prison)
asciilifeform: how does a tiny country with no useful minerals rape the planet? this is how. piss the buggers off - no wall is tall enough
asciilifeform: (vanunu, for his part, insists they even plugged kennedy for 'rocking boat')
TheNewDeal: read it tinny
asciilifeform: 'assassin state' is a pretty good strategy. castle of alamut stood for ~200 years.
asciilifeform: (zapped by mongols, who didn't get the memo that they 'could also have problems')
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 210 @ 0.00324433 = 0.6813 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00068724 = 10.0681 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8451 @ 0.00069238 = 5.8513 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up cryptoflood
cryptoflood: hey
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only reason that thing stood is because it was placed somewhere not even the goats cared to inhabit.
mircea_popescu: shitlandia kingdom is welcome to any delusions of self importance and grandeur - just as long as it packs and moves there.
mircea_popescu: an' with that, im out. later all!
BingoBoingo: Hardware BA real estate prices don't look so bad
BingoBoingo: https://buenosaires.craigslist.org/apa/4617560950.html
assbot: Amazing Room For Rent in BA Class A equipment
BingoBoingo: ^ Only problem with that room is "No fumadores"
BingoBoingo: An Bingo needs his cigarettes
BingoBoingo: OMG hardware BA has the best jobs (only miss the age requirement by one year) https://buenosaires.craigslist.org/csr/4566163594.html
assbot: Get Paid to PARTY!!!!
RagnarDanneskjol: lol, nice one. I assumed you were a lot older than that
BingoBoingo: Fuck, looking at the hardware #BA craigslist... reading Trilema made my Spanish much better than I thought
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I'm only 28
RagnarDanneskjol: you are wise beyond your years
BingoBoingo: Thanks, Well... 4 years of college and 4 years of gradschool followed by a distinct lack of employment and bitcoin related adventures spoiled by premature cashouts has a reward
RagnarDanneskjol: haha.
BingoBoingo feels he has to disclose now to the Feds watching that yes I am drunk.
RagnarDanneskjol: ahahahah
BingoBoingo: Which is why tonight I've priced air land and sea prices for travel to hardware BA
RagnarDanneskjol: think you need a passpuerto first
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Once I clear up the neighboring county mounty issues I'll deal with that.
RagnarDanneskjol: cool
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm at your service to help you locate a job fit for a renegade. its what I do
BingoBoingo: Have a court date for that Thursday. Thing's been going on for over a year now. Allegedly I did a thing that was totally not a crime even if I did it because it was speech that supposed no transfer of value.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: What sort of work do you hook people up with.
RagnarDanneskjol: any. i have been a corporate recruiter for 15 years
RagnarDanneskjol: primarily life sci, aerospace, pharma, semiconductor and enterprise software, finance
BingoBoingo: Know any corporations that need Librarians? Preferably with health benefits because I haven't seen a psychiatrist since I got my Library science degree 25 months ago?
RagnarDanneskjol: other stuff to. recruitment is the same anywhere you go. sorting through the garbage is all i do
RagnarDanneskjol: you serious?
BingoBoingo: Very
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure previous discussion on this subject are in the logs
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. let me look into it. not off the top of head, will chek lawgs and ask around for you
BingoBoingo: Cool.
BingoBoingo is currently medicated with copious ETOH several times a week. It isn't no lamotrigine (which was beautiful in its effectiveness without cognitive effects, and I'm pretty sure my dick was bigger while I was on it)
RagnarDanneskjol: lol
BingoBoingo: Mostly it helps my avoid the manias though
BingoBoingo: When I'm depressed I'm miserable but safe.
RagnarDanneskjol: you have a dog?
BingoBoingo: My brother does, with his wife. It's adorable.
RagnarDanneskjol: nothing better for mental health imo
BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person.
RagnarDanneskjol: right
BingoBoingo: I like domestic dogs though and stray cats. I also dislike domestic cats and stray dogs.
RagnarDanneskjol: here are my litle piggies: https://picasaweb.google.com/106983768353184100061/PrinceAndTank?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNjR_6nZ4dS_ogE&feat=directlink
assbot: Picasa Web Albums - shannon morrisey - Prince and Tank
BingoBoingo: Nice, I have trouble trusting dogs without long faces.
BingoBoingo: Because you dunno when a pug is just going to stop breathing
RagnarDanneskjol: yep, me too. they are little monsters. mean too
BingoBoingo: My brother has a corgi mix named Frank. Frank is adorable. Frank would not make a good guard dog. Frank is great at giving elderly relatives hope though.
RagnarDanneskjol: mhmm. pups add years to lifespans
BingoBoingo: Well, my estimation on the elderly is more empiricle though. It's been a while since grampa tried to drink a bottle of pesticide.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh my
BingoBoingo: It's dark but true. The pesticide he tried was basically a concentrated nicotine and being old enough to have smoke a lot... he went to the hospital nauseous after trying to crash his truck.
BingoBoingo: He's well into his 90's though.
RagnarDanneskjol: wow. that's punk rock
RagnarDanneskjol: not to make light of it
BingoBoingo: Shit happens. People get desperate for change... I mean Obama was elected twice
BingoBoingo: !up ToasterButter
BingoBoingo: !up csshih_
BingoBoingo: !up csshih
BingoBoingo: csshih: Were you the mole who gave the FBI/Treasury my address (not that you would have needed to)
csshih_: not this time
RagnarDanneskjol: sounds like they'd make for a good buddy cop movie
BingoBoingo: csshih: Cool
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I think the two hated each other.
RagnarDanneskjol: perfect
BingoBoingo: Maybe this was their play at Good cop/Bad Cop, but they seemed to LEGIT hate each other.
BingoBoingo: It was friendly FBI agency and pissed off Treasury agent sore he had to waste his time on a pauper
RagnarDanneskjol: makes sense
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Sometime send me an email and GPG it. Maybe I'll give you my slave name?
RagnarDanneskjol: ok, will soon, think I'll need further help with the bot thing too, so need to do a few more test messages anyway
BingoBoingo: !up Belsage
BingoBoingo: !up warptangent
BingoBoingo: !up taub
BingoBoingo: Hey taub!
BingoBoingo: Are you like doctor taub from House taub?
BingoBoingo: !up lampelinaa
BingoBoingo: !up DoctorBTC_
BingoBoingo: DoctorBTC_ DoctorBTC: We've traded before so http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/
assbot: A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog
RagnarDanneskjol: Doc is fast asleep
BingoBoingo: !up ethX
BingoBoingo: What up ethX
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.0006918 = 7.2639 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: If nothing else, what does this say about the average worth of humanity if a booze loving person with Bipolar I can be featured as a voice through Van-ads?
cazalla: asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun <<< ninjashogun parted earlier today so perhaps you are right
RagnarDanneskjol: i guess it means there is hope?
BingoBoingo: I mean if pete's people the Jews are right... Noah better work on getting his pussy all wet again to make dat flood
RagnarDanneskjol: ahaha
BingoBoingo: So for my personal safety, a list of things I do not own and have no access to: Nailguns, duffelbags my size, a distinct lack of hope that would make me want to exit the world of the living
RagnarDanneskjol: nailgun has to be a tough way to go. geez
BingoBoingo: Well I don't own one and I'm cribbing alf's list of inconvenient things that lead to suspicious 'suicides"
RagnarDanneskjol: i see
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm a little surprised to learn carry such inclinations based on your writings. seems you have a fairly healthy/jovial outlook on life to me
RagnarDanneskjol: learn 'YOU" carry...
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: It isn't a unique thing
RagnarDanneskjol: right
pankkake: nailgun is the preferred banker suicide method apparently
RagnarDanneskjol: good grief
BingoBoingo: The clinically crazy being part of the "smart" or the "elite", I'm also fortunate to have a very seasonal sort of bipolar in that summers I get a mania that is always unfamiliar and winters I get a very familiar depression. Both conditions and the space in between are Incredibly livable.
RagnarDanneskjol: need a change of latitude sounds like
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Been in the Middle West all my life.
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, tropical climates do wonders to clear the head
BingoBoingo: But if I go quiet too long a number of people here know my slave name.
BingoBoingo: Eh, not necessarily tropical. Just different.
pankkake: I like "slave name" ;)
pankkake: I use my real name for "professional" stuff because it's the custom, but I'd rather use a pseudonym there too
pankkake: Perhaps using a name that looks "real" would work
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Your name is Tobyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByhFz5e5Tno
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BingoBoingo: Liberation https://buenosaires.craigslist.org/eng/4631086713.html
assbot: need help with my router configuration
BingoBoingo: Some hippy left me a comment, bread time http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/26/replies-to-select-comments/#comment-27294
assbot: Replies to Select /. Comments | Bingo Blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30093 @ 0.00069597 = 20.9438 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: huh. I might take exception to your notions on certainty
RagnarDanneskjol: not might. do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9487 @ 0.0006965 = 6.6077 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/629.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: (Realizing two-factor authentication for the Bitcoin protocol)
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2014/08/26/ted-rubin-talks-twitter-brands-and-social-media-marketing
assbot: Ted Rubin Talks Twitter, Brands and Social Media Marketing - US News
RagnarDanneskjol: 'Relationships Are the New Currency'
xmj: yawn
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever.
pankkake: works in politics
xmj: >smart person
xmj: >politics
RagnarDanneskjol: i thought it was amusing, being one who has never took part in in social medias. I thought it relevant in the context of wot
RagnarDanneskjol: taken part
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5000 @ 0.00087555 = 4.3778 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01202189 = 0.6852 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 501 @ 0.00252203 = 1.2635 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.273 = 1.092 BTC [+]
xmj: fluffypony: Hey
xmj: fluffypony: check http://bettingblocks.com/
assbot: Betting Blocks Bitcoin Game - Who will mine the next block in the blockchain?
fluffypony: *clicks*
xmj: fluffypony: that's the bitcoin block betting site i mentioned
xmj: fluffypony: they're silent live, figured you might like that
xmj: (the betting part, heh)
fluffypony: v. cool
xmj: so.
xmj: question.
xmj: How much do I get away with, setting a retainer for sysadmin services?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00083746 = 12.3107 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "who' s the commisioner? Andreas A or mark kaperles? both would be great. if it can be autographed and laminated, i'll get one."
nubbins`: facepalm
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you get our email?
nubbins`: yeah, i replied w/ a time-sensitive invoice :)
nubbins`: btc price guaranteed til aug 31
thestringpuller: one second
thestringpuller: did you reply to all?
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: boo i have to wait until designer wakes up
thestringpuller: stupid children and not having to wake up early
ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform> fatter - works. /// taller while laying down :)
ThickAsThieves: <+xmj> RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. /// why is it one or the other? Both are necessary qualities.
ThickAsThieves: But i'm certainly not listening to some Social Media Marketer rediscover what he threw away
xmj: ThickAsThieves: it's not.
xmj: ThickAsThieves: there's a certain kind of person who will tell you that it is, and it is about connections.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00083763 = 7.078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2535 @ 0.00083746 = 2.123 BTC [-]
chetty: I suppose the wot is a kind of 'known connections'
ThickAsThieves: it's linkedin without the nonsense
xmj: hm
xmj: fluffypony: think i can get away with charging people EUR 300 as retainer if they want "pure pay as you go" ?
fluffypony: how many hours does that buy them?
xmj: e.g. as "fee for access"
fluffypony: that's steep if it doesn't buy them anything
fluffypony: unless it's 24/7 on call
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> it's linkedin without the nonsense//++
jborkl: ;;getrating ben_vulpes
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
jborkl: ;;getrust ben_vulpes
gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.
jborkl: ;;gettrust ben_vulpes
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jborkl_ to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jborkl_&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
chetty: !up eightyeight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00083763 = 14.2397 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: crazy eightyeight
eightyeight: how long does each '!up' last? 30 minutes each, or is there an exponential scale, with some sort of max?
eightyeight: looking through the wiki currently
chetty: 30 minutes until you can do it yourself, then its permanent
eightyeight: so, i need to issue '!up' on myself then?
xmj: once verified through gpg
eightyeight: !up eightyeight
eightyeight: ?
kakobrekla: he is authed, just doesnt have a rating
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2482 @ 0.00083814 = 2.0803 BTC [-] {20}
kakobrekla: <assbot> eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: ;;rate eightyeight 1 solely for the purpose of #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded.
kakobrekla: easy come easy go.
jborkl: kakobrekla, you seeded or donated to start van-ads?
jborkl: with mircea
kakobrekla: not that i would know about it
jborkl: i misread then
jborkl: so mircea seeded it?
kakobrekla: well he runs trilema ads gor if that is what you mean, other than that - ask ben
kakobrekla: s/gor/or
xmj: kakobrekla: hey ;)
kakobrekla: hi there
kakobrekla just woke up
kakobrekla: how is ljubljana treting you
kakobrekla: eightyeight it takes some time for changes to get reflected (15min ?)
eightyeight: ok
eightyeight: i was referred here by danielpbarron. so, checking it out. :)
kakobrekla: oh god!
kakobrekla: ::unrate eightyeight
eightyeight: my keysigning policy, which i'm looking at ammending: https://pthree.org/my-pgp-key-signing-policy/
assbot: Aaron Toponce : PGP Keysigning Policy
eightyeight: current web of trust: http://aarontoponce.org/pubring.gif
eightyeight: :)
eightyeight: i also wrote https://github.com/atoponce/d-note and https://github.com/atoponce/keyart (which is is signing-party >= 1.1.8-1 on debian/ubuntu)
assbot: atoponce/d-note GitHub
assbot: atoponce/keyart GitHub
eightyeight: <- crypto nerd
eightyeight: anyway
kakobrekla: nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58649525 BTC to 15`045 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 11.00538516 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 957 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20316 @ 0.00083716 = 17.0077 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: double voice
punkman: usagi: But NXT is going to kill BTC, I'm staking my stake on it
TheNewDeal: the bird strikes again!
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.65, Best ask: 514.28, Bid-ask spread: 1.63000, Last trade: 514.29, 24 hour volume: 7894.78317093, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.496769024
Apocalyptic: punkman, are you serious ?
Apocalyptic: nvm
punkman: http://boingboing.net/2014/08/26/how-games-lazy-storytelling.html
assbot: How games' lazy storytelling uses rape and violence against women as wallpaper - Boing Boing
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell mircea_popescu there is good american beer, but it's rare
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: i always suspected you could turn american beer into something like proper beer with a 'rotovap'
TheNewDeal: I think that would be a way to turn shitty american beer into mediocre beer
TheNewDeal: which is the majority of american beer, shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00251705 = 0.5034 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 601 @ 0.002512 = 1.5097 BTC [-]
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-advertising-network-van-ads-com-open-beta/
punkman: !up no_imagination
no_imagination: thanks punkman
punkman: hai
no_imagination: seems pretty quiet. is there a time when this board is usually more active?
nubbins`: depends on the day
jborkl: 4-5 hours from now
jborkl: or depends on the day as nubbins said
kakobrekla: read the logs in the meantime
no_imagination: will do
no_imagination: is everything logged?
kakobrekla: aaand action!
Apocalyptic: yes it is
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes well, what's that do you know ?
mircea_popescu: ;;topic
gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: no_imagination see the log one.
no_imagination: ty
mircea_popescu: join/parts are not logged.
ben_vulpes: lol jborkl graduated van to beta
ben_vulpes: thanks boss
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, it hasnt been haxxed so far rite ?
mircea_popescu: two weeks, qualifies.
ben_vulpes has not run with the money
ben_vulpes: /me, for the record, doesn't even hold the money
ben_vulpes , for the record, doesn't even hold the money
mircea_popescu: and to start things up on the right leg : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svvCj4yhYc
assbot: Flappers - The Roaring Twenties - YouTube
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ^ Only problem with that room is "No fumadores" << you can do better than that.
mircea_popescu: that thing looks tiny and the "no fumadores" bs is laughable.
asciilifeform: wait BingoBoingo escaped ?
mircea_popescu: jailbird can dream, cannit ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: what, you jelly ?
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform dreams. of mobile oppression palace. http://theinfosphere.org/Mobile_Oppression_Palace
assbot: Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00083649 = 12.5474 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: alabama sucks huh.
mircea_popescu: Its destruction resulted in Earth being liberated, since the Mobile Oppression Palace had been the Decapodian's sole means of enforcing their rule on Earth.
mircea_popescu: lmao yeah, that's totally how it works. lmao.
asciilifeform can't attest how much alabama sucks, hasn't been to it
mircea_popescu: who writes this crap.
mircea_popescu: (it was a pun. mobile, alabama)
asciilifeform: lol
chetty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735354/Obama-sidestep-Congress-signing-international-climate-change-agreement-leaked-United-Nations-report-reveals-severe-irreversible-impacts-global-warming.html
assbot: President Barack Obama to sidestep Congress with international emissions agreement | Mail Online
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what's congress even for ?
mircea_popescu: i forget.
chetty: to collect salaries and bribes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo also, it's in hipsterlandia.
mircea_popescu: all gringos flock to palermo for some god forsaken reason. shit there is about 2x as expensive and the restaurants all look like they were kicked out of austin, tx.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever been to brooklyn, ny ?
mircea_popescu: yes/
asciilifeform: where all the sorriest soviet escapees re-created their zoo
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: funny how that shit works, huh.
mircea_popescu: at some point the italians were working to recreate palermo there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51406 @ 0.00084012 = 43.1872 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: if you're stuck in a zoolag it's one thing; if you escape and then re-build it, that's voluntary.
mircea_popescu: path of least resistence.
mircea_popescu: you see, creating a zoolag in the first place is a work of art. the zeks are the resistence of the medium
asciilifeform: 'paris eats couscous'
mircea_popescu: the exact shape the gulag takes is a lot more a function of what the zeks put up with and how exactly
mircea_popescu: than of the original vision of the stalin in question.
mircea_popescu: consequently, of course they'll fucking recreate it.
asciilifeform once thought this was known to everyone
mircea_popescu: well now it is, what with being in the logs an' all :D
mircea_popescu: Sheets and towels are changed twice a week. Maid service is included. Need your clothes washed? We'll take care. Need some help cooking or ordering take out? We can help. Any questions you might have don't hesitate to ask! I'm at your service! << "is the maid hot ?"
BingoBoingo: Who knows?
mircea_popescu: "Get Paid to PARTY!!!! (CABA)"
mircea_popescu: lmao they conveniently omit "must carry cona at all times!"
mircea_popescu: . Staff are expected to interact with every single customer and make it a fun night no matter the size of the group, bad weather, bars closing at the last minute, long walks, drunken behavior, etc. << srsly. this is where the level is, irl, in this world.
mircea_popescu: this is what ppls gotta do to earn their bread.
danielpbarron: ;;rate eightyeight 1 https://twitter.com/AaronToponce
assbot: Aaron Toponce (AaronToponce) auf Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: think you need a passpuerto first << you can probably simply walk into mexico. you can definitely cross the border to guatemala on foot. once in guatemala, you can hit the local consulate for a temp passport and that's that.
mircea_popescu: poor soviets had it a lot harder, they had to walk to finland. it's fucking cold in finland.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Know any corporations that need Librarians? <<< ahahha this made my lol
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> jailbird can dream, cannit ? << This
BingoBoingo: Dreams of cigarette powered balloons and homemade zepplins
mircea_popescu: you gotta stop hussling poor innocent ppls tho. ragnar fellow is an actual recruiter, wtf do you want to do as a librarian.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: jailbird dream << http://www.wysotsky.com/1033.htm?1130
BingoBoingo: Eh make enough to escape. Have a second career as a party herder.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what professions does he seek ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform according to himself in the log, any ?
asciilifeform: but not librarians ?
mircea_popescu: well let's try and be reasonable, for like the first time this year here ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would hire a librarian.
asciilifeform: ... a library.
TheNewDeal: touche
mircea_popescu: no, actually, it wouldn't.
TheNewDeal: who would NOT hire a librarian!?
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg8557922#msg8557922
assbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread
asciilifeform: true, they'll get a starving chemist etc
mircea_popescu: aha.
nubbins`: ^ cavirtex / havelock shenanigans
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no, actually, it wouldn't. << Surprisingly true
mircea_popescu: and this even if we don't go all b-a and consider a hire only something that comes with stock options.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd they do this time ?
nubbins`: trying to buy back everyone's "shares" while they scramble to pretend they've been a legitimate company this whole time
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: ALL THIS TIME!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist?
nubbins`: srsly, if you accept the buyout, ithey retroactively declare you were never a shareholder
asciilifeform: or was that vulpes
mircea_popescu: "I hope you do not drive away your existing tech-saavy users, like those of us who signed up back in the fall of 2011, with a dumbed down, simplified and rigid user experience a la Facebook.
mircea_popescu: There are those of use who find dumbed down, simplified and rigid interfaces extremely irritating and annoying and have zero use for Facebook."
mircea_popescu: BUT USABILITY!
nubbins`: or, well, that's what they say, at least. although if i call a steak a lobster...
mircea_popescu: where is the meanie guy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist? << believe that was vulpes
mircea_popescu: i thought vulpes was a blowupitem-ist
mircea_popescu: "Should you exercise your right of rescission"
mircea_popescu: say wut ?!
mircea_popescu: wasn't this thing candian ?
mircea_popescu: rescission is, as far as memory serves, the result of a us law, and works out to the right for backsies on mortgages for 3 days after signing.
mircea_popescu: (it's featured prominently in glengarry glen ross of all places - that's why that entire scene with the mark trying to get his mortgage cleared and when the check was cashed etc)
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00084012 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068641 / 0.00072516 / 0.00084059 (554647 shares, 402.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065571 / 0.00084059 (4461623 shares, 2,925.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076053 / 0.00094217 (18270307 shares, 13,895.25 BTC)
mircea_popescu: o wait we're back ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.74, Best ask: 513.67, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 513.67, 24 hour volume: 7638.24866748, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.423336699
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your take on the guy's death btw ?
asciilifeform: which guy ?
mircea_popescu: vysotsky
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform more or less buys the traditional version
mircea_popescu: which one
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: od
TheNewDeal: eww
asciilifeform: afaik he died of a typical od - took customary dose of opium after quitting for a spell
mircea_popescu: a. yeah.
TheNewDeal: brother put cocoa in the coffee. is this a thing?
mircea_popescu: yes. among sluts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26930 @ 0.00084455 = 22.7437 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ask him if he's turning twink nao.
TheNewDeal: ;;ud twink
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink | An attractive, boyish-looking, young gay man. The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at ...
TheNewDeal: tastes very bitter
TheNewDeal: and i normally enjoy bitter coffee
thestringpuller: ;;calc 8500/25
gribble: 340
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: vysotsky << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35NOsBxTpDs >> about the fellow who did own appendix
assbot: - YouTube
mircea_popescu: ;;seen RagnarDanneskjol
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> !up RagnarsBitch
TheNewDeal: question on bad or good bet - "All volatility bets resolve no"
TheNewDeal: September, October, and 2014
mircea_popescu: doubt it'll pass
TheNewDeal: even with 0conf on yes?
mircea_popescu: well for one thing it's open ended.
mircea_popescu: someone bets, makes a special volatility bet right after, wins.
BingoBoingo: Maybe if you specify which volatility bets in advance
TheNewDeal: that's what I was saying. September, October, 2014
mircea_popescu: which are those ?
TheNewDeal: could even link to them
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/986/bitcoin-volatility-2014-over-800/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin volatility 2014 over $800 :: 0.55 B (55%) on Yes, 0.45 B (45%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 58`103 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/985/bitcoin-volatility-october-over-300/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin volatility October over $300 :: 0.15 B (46%) on Yes, 0.18 B (54%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 42`268 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/984/bitcoin-volatility-september-over-250/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin volatility September over $250 :: 0.21 B (37%) on Yes, 0.36 B (63%) on No | closing in 1 week 2 days | weight: 14`417 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: the only ones which exist right now, not considering the August
mircea_popescu: aha. well... mebbe ? give it a shot see.
BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140827065755
assbot: Heads Up: Nginx Removed From Base
mircea_popescu: "On June 22, 1918, four people were arrested and over one hundred waiters taken into custody over the apparent widespread practice of poisoning by waiters in Chicago."
mircea_popescu: dude...
chetty: now they just shoot
asciilifeform: i suppose not everyone could afford the 'chicago typewriter'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo odd.
BingoBoingo: Seems Heartbleed gave OpenBSD the full paranoia as well
TheNewDeal: !up shovel_boss
shovel_boss: hello mates
shovel_boss: just want to say
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person. << no, he has a point. a woman is ideal but fail that a dog works.
shovel_boss: the system you have here
shovel_boss: with the !up
shovel_boss: is retarded
shovel_boss: it should burn in hell
shovel_boss: thanks
TheNewDeal: he has moved beyond ass & tities
TheNewDeal: it's amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.06, Best ask: 514.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.94000, Last trade: 513.0, 24 hour volume: 7425.93327263, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.413574198
Apocalyptic: heh, from the guy who posts <shovel_boss> [09:13:29] https://twitter.com/shovel_boss/status/504525210222358529
assbot: /hashtag/Aerocoin?src=hash /search?q=%24AERO&src=ctag /hashtag/AERO?src=hash is starting to spike up again,holding ATLEAST 2000 /search?q=%24AEROS&src=ctag right now is a must.There will be an upcoming $15k invesment
mircea_popescu: o.O
Apocalyptic: <TheNewDeal> he has moved beyond ass & tities // he's now pumping some scamcoins yeah
mircea_popescu: shovel_boss srsly, altcoin scams ? get a job eh.
TheNewDeal: $15k investment. we'kk be rich
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, i dont do scams
shovel_boss: i dont buy the coins i do TA on
shovel_boss: and its pretty obvious what i buy
TheNewDeal: shovels...
shovel_boss: i do TA for free and its mediocre
shovel_boss: works +50%
mircea_popescu: "There will be an upcoming $15k invesment"
mircea_popescu: that's not "ta".
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, look at the volume
shovel_boss: there WAS a 15k investment
mircea_popescu: this is besides the point.
shovel_boss: i go insider info on that one
mircea_popescu: so it's not that "you do ta".
shovel_boss: yes i do
shovel_boss: i rarely reject to do a TA
shovel_boss: i do it for anyone and everyone
mircea_popescu: that's also besides the point.
shovel_boss: im almost all the TA i do i mention what indicators i use
Apocalyptic: mircea, you're speaking to a wall
shovel_boss: esspecialy if someone asks me in the chatroom
shovel_boss: analytics is real, there are people actually getting paid to do this in the real world
shovel_boss: analysis*
mircea_popescu: said the guy on trial for giving chloral to some dude that died "i just do astrograms. i do them for anything, including your dog if you want. i never refused anyone."
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, unlike that guy i do it for free
shovel_boss: also you mentioned it was a vanity chan
dignork: shovel_boss | i go insider info on that one <<< mental note to myself, do not share any info
shovel_boss: i renamed it
shovel_boss: i listen to the comunity
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
mircea_popescu: shovel_boss none of these are cogent points you know.
TheNewDeal: !up usagi
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, you do know i only post my TA there as a microvlog
shovel_boss: to keep track of it
usagi: lol
mircea_popescu: !down TheNewDeal
shovel_boss: i dont do it for pump and dump
shovel_boss: how can i pump and dump 4 coins each day?
shovel_boss: have you looked at the timeframe that that TA predicts?
shovel_boss: some of them are weeks
mircea_popescu: shovel_boss so you do 4 a day for weeks each, this is no counter.
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, tell me why what i do is bad
shovel_boss: i already stopped posting my ad here cause i know you will bash it
shovel_boss: looks like youre jealous or something?
mircea_popescu: sigh.
shovel_boss: i dont see how my chan is different than this
mircea_popescu: !down shovel_boss
TheNewDeal: there will be no !bashing here
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> or was that vulpes << don't know that i ever achieved the kind of skills that an actual machinist can lay claim to, but i've operated the whole standard library in production settings.
mircea_popescu: "The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), as part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, supports and conducts biomedical and behavioral research on the causes, consequences, treatment, and prevention of alcoholism and alcohol-related problems. The NIAAA functions both as a funding agency that supports research by external research institutions and as a research institution itself, where alco
mircea_popescu: hol research is carried out in‐house. It funds approximately 90 percent of all such research in the United States and promotes reductions in the per capita consumption of alcohol. NIAAA also provides leadership in the national effort to reduce the severe and sometimes fatal consequences of these problems."
mircea_popescu: this counts as science now.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i thought vulpes was a blowupitem-ist << also blew some stuff up, also built some "rockets", also designed some components for rockets.
mircea_popescu: shit that's 90% produced by a govt agency with a clear agenda, is taken as "science". what the holy shit.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i recently acquired a full set of jungle-grade machine tools, but am no more a machinist than were i to buy violin, would be violinist
TheNewDeal: just watch a youtube and keep your clothing clear, there's not much to basic machining
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but i like to think that i could earn my bread shaving metal one day, if it comes to this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, most singers on mtv don't even own their equipment
mircea_popescu: so i'd say by prevailing marketplace standards you ARE a violinist.
asciilifeform: boeing pilots don't typically own the boeing
asciilifeform: LOL
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how jungle?
ben_vulpes: cnc?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hand-cranked 'sherlines'
ben_vulpes: nice.
ben_vulpes: oh man
asciilifeform: in terms of cnc, only a small 2d laser
asciilifeform: (had it for a while)
ben_vulpes: best part of building stuff with hand operated tooling is the hard requirement of simple geometric shapes and wide tolerances.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: Perhaps using a name that looks "real" would work << you can prolly legally change your name to say Pan K. Kake
ben_vulpes: all the kids i did my m.e. studies with designed stuff with crazy tolerances and absurd geometries - "because the machine can do it"
ben_vulpes: no consideration of programming costs or tooling complexities or anything.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: with simple tools, one can theoretically make everything (with possible exception of lead screws) for nicer set
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'triangular drills will drill all his square holes!'
mircea_popescu: this self-upgrading thing is fascinating eh asciilifeform ?
ben_vulpes: zero radius corners
ben_vulpes: mhm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: self-upgrading << the expensive tools - weren't dropped to earth by the gods
ben_vulpes: some things are going to be hard no matter what
ben_vulpes: the races, for example :D
mircea_popescu: really makes the point that there's no "can't", just "won't".
ben_vulpes: jokes aside, the ball bearings in the races are going to be tricky for jungle operators.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm personally interested in (long term) genuinely weird things
asciilifeform: like machines with no lead screws or rails in the ordinary sense
TheNewDeal: ballscrews can get nasty
ben_vulpes: ballscrews are rad
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506252
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.
ben_vulpes: i do recall
ben_vulpes: that is weird as fuck
ben_vulpes: but expected
asciilifeform: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#801776
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 01:47:41; asciilifeform: i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers.
ben_vulpes: my only experience with that sort of stuff is echoes in wafer probe signal lines
ben_vulpes: man
ben_vulpes: that was a complex bit of hardware
asciilifeform: no need for exotica. ever forget to plug in a 'scsi' terminator ?
ben_vulpes: lol have i ever touched a 'scsi' anything
asciilifeform: echo on impedance mismatch - basic physic
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Aren't you a Mac person, what useful non-scsi thing plugs into a real Mac?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm a nix hacker, i use a mac 'cause its chassis is aluminum
ben_vulpes: SLANDER
asciilifeform also owns a mac 'air' for this reason. haven't popped it in a while, even possible that it welded shut
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONz6S48QgEk#t=126 << found it
assbot: How It's Made Ball Bearings - YouTube
ben_vulpes: the jungle toolchain involves lots of cold forging too
asciilifeform: more junkyard archaeology than forgin
asciilifeform: g
ben_vulpes: milling's necessary for the forging molds, but forging is inescapable
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pardon?
TheNewDeal: pops up in the video "bearings are like invisible heroes inside mechanical devices"
ben_vulpes: dumb shit like that's why i mute fab videos
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: fucking usability freaks make evertyhing sound like it's addressed to 12 yos.
mircea_popescu: obnoxious, maleducated 12 yos.
BingoBoingo: Intiendo un poco
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that Deborah Hannay chgick is so totally going to understand what you meant with the kant example.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what cannot be made (e.g. i've presently no forge) must be unearthed and reshaped.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the example is to impose the reality upon Hannay that not everyone is her equal, and to accomplish that as rapidly as possible?
mircea_popescu: to quote pesto, "that ain;t gonna work"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: principles are pretty simple. lotsa force, high rigidity.
asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things.
ben_vulpes: ibeams, hydraulics, maybe some guides...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15422 @ 0.00084108 = 12.9711 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things. << me too. i ate them.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: i also ate ~80% of the glass beads of a chinese chess set
asciilifeform: cracked the shitter ?
mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: as far as anyone knows i never shat out any of this.
mircea_popescu: http://jocuridincopilarie.ro/imagini/jocuri-de-interior/jocuri-pe-tabla-de-joc/sah-chinezesc.jpg << the set in question
ben_vulpes: hm, what's that magnet company the usg's trying to put out of business?
asciilifeform: i suspect we'll all have some amazing mechanical surprises when self-appendectomy time
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: tell me how could one not eat those ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: magnet company << 'bucky-balls'
asciilifeform owns a pre-ban set
ben_vulpes: don't let it staple your intestines together...
mircea_popescu: yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps.
asciilifeform: just don't eat 2+.
asciilifeform: what do american children play with instead of bearing ball. and do i even want to know.
jurov: URGENT: Seeking child-size degaussing machine
asciilifeform: jurov: afaik you can only demagnetize NdFeB by heating to 'curie point'
asciilifeform: ~300 C...
mircea_popescu: lol jurov
jurov: uh
chetty: <mircea_popescu> yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps.// well does the world really need (can it stand) little mps
asciilifeform: then again - magnet is small, and will probably reach a momentary 300 if you heat through meat with induction loop
asciilifeform: what's worse for health - pinched gut, or small zap ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cheaper to laparoscopy it away
punkman: derp "usagi: Punkman, #bitcoin-assets is quickly becoming irelevant. The slice is almost too small now. Kind of sad, but I could have told you this would happen."
mircea_popescu: chetty on that subject, socrates is silent.
asciilifeform: 'where there is no laparoscope'
asciilifeform: (apologies to 'paladin press''s 'where there is no doctor')
mircea_popescu: where there is no laparoscope there'd better not be feromagnets.
jurov: there's self-appendectomy
mircea_popescu: punkman if the guy has the sense to not publish his own derpage, why would you, you know ?
punkman: o it was in -otc
asciilifeform: i never ate the bearing balls. but these were big. (tank bearings?)
punkman: but yes point taken
asciilifeform: ~1cm
asciilifeform: 2
TheNewDeal: !s usagi bird
assbot: 7 results for 'usagi bird' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=usagi+bird
mircea_popescu: The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005, according to Peter Kraska, a criminologist at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond.
TheNewDeal: obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0
assbot: The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube
mircea_popescu: no data for 2005-2014. what would it be, 750k ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'no-knock' originated with 'but they'll flush the dope'
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: now it's more or less SOP
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it's killed more innocent bystanders than the wars in iraq.
asciilifeform: ;;google solzhenitsyn axe
gribble: Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned in the ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what>; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn>; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
BingoBoingo: !up usagi
mircea_popescu: Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street. This tactic led Radley Balko, editor of Reason Magazine, to complain "So not only can you not be sure the people banging down your door at night are the police, not
mircea_popescu: only can you not be sure they’re the police even if they say they’re the police, you can’t even be sure it’s safe to let them in even if they are the police."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know, people who live in decent places tend to assume the us is similarly a decent place, and readily forget the sort of rogue shithole it actually is.
mircea_popescu: Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested
mircea_popescu: him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
asciilifeform: most people in usa will read this and ask 'but was he an untermensch ?' and go back to sleep
mircea_popescu: well, in what sense ?
mircea_popescu: yes, he wasn't a police officer.
asciilifeform: in the sense that wasn't 'office plankton'
chetty: <asciilifeform> most people in usa will read this and ask 'but was he an untermensch ?' and go back to sleep// who said they were awake to go back to sleep
asciilifeform: (preferably white, but optional)
mircea_popescu: xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. << i've said it.
mircea_popescu: outside of "whom you know", "what you know" simply reduces to "what you think you know" and nobody got time for that.
asciilifeform: generally, plankton response is 'this fellow couldn't have been a good upstanding plankton'
mircea_popescu: as far as the police state is concerned, nobody else is good anything. just listen to one of the fuckwits go.
asciilifeform: police state is never wholly the polizei themselves, but also all such that 'it would never do, polite society!' for them to drag out in the night
mircea_popescu: take sunil dutta, the convicted felon who still has a death warrant outstanding on his head.
mircea_popescu: "You don’t know what is in my mind when I stop you"
mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a flying fuck what's on "his mind". what's he supposed to be, the hive overlord or some shit ?
xmj: mircea_popescu: it's binary
asciilifeform: sunil << i suppose not every kid from bombay makes his way to solicitor general of new york
xmj: in that context
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure they don't.
xmj: so, if you don't know no one OR don't know nothing, either won't help you
mircea_popescu: xmj i jus' quoted what you said.
mircea_popescu: not that im proposing ted rubin knows anyone, or is relevant to anything.
mircea_popescu: eightyeight how did you get that gif drawn ?
xmj: then you're missing the context we discussed earlier
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust eightyeight
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask eightyeight!~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user eightyeight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=eightyeight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eightyeight | Rated since: Wed Aug 27 11:48:10 2014
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: i have a shell script. i can get it for you. one sec
eightyeight: i think there is actually a bug with it. i just haven't had the chance to look at it actually
mircea_popescu: also i dunno if you know http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=8086060F&TO=2FB7B452&PATHS=Find+Trust+Paths+To+Me
assbot: PGP trust paths : Aaron Toponce -> Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: penning's stuff
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: http://ae7.st/p/6n2
assbot: Pastebin. » 6n2
eightyeight: you need gnupg, imagemagick, and graphviz installed
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: i saw your comment on my blog re: my retort to dr. green on his assesment about pgp
mircea_popescu: got this running on a server anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: o that's right, that was your blog
eightyeight: got what running on a server?
mircea_popescu: that fucktard greene ffs.
mircea_popescu: the script in question.
eightyeight: i just run it locally when i get new signatures or when i sign new keys
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway...
eightyeight: depending on the size of your web of trust, it could take a few minutes
eightyeight: and, like i said, it has a bug that was brought to my attention. i just haven't addressed it. maybe i can get to that tonight
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot eightyeight
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask eightyeight!~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight. Trust relationship from user assbot to user eightyeight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=eightyeight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eightyeight | Rated since: Wed Aug 27 11:48:10 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;rate eightyeight 1 linux gnu guy..
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded.
eightyeight: sweet. thx. :)
eightyeight: danielpbarron: thx also. :)
BingoBoingo: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-764312
assbot: Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant | The Smoking Gun
mircea_popescu: ahahahha al sharpton ?!
mircea_popescu: chetty check that shit out.
BingoBoingo: Yup, Sharpton's a stoolie
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: oh, you also need 'signing-party' installedfor sig2dot(1)
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla>aaand action! << lmao smartass :D
mircea_popescu: "As Sarkeesian points out, you may get a mission to hunt down a brutal pimp, but you'll never get a mission to get the hooker he's just beaten to a pulp to the hospital, nor do you unlock achievements by visiting her at a shelter or helping her get re-established elsewhere. These women exist solely to be victimized, so that you can murder the bad guys without any scruple."
mircea_popescu: holy shit what sort of bullshit is this. who wants a MISSION to take battered sluts to the er.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather do my own laundry.
chetty: <assbot> Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant | The Smoking Gun// uh, what was ever secret about that?
mircea_popescu: well he denied it all these years.
mircea_popescu: "Over the years I have told a number of friends that, if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade, there would be a huge crater in upstate New York centered on what used to be West Seneca Junior High School.
mircea_popescu: Had Orson Scott Card’s novel Ender’s Game existed then, I might have been one of its biggest fans. I would have been enraptured by the story of the innocent who is persecuted despite his innocence, perhaps even because of it. The superior child whose virtues are not recognized. The adults who fail to protect. The vicious bullies who get away with their bullying. That was the world as I saw it in seventh grade. "
chetty: jajajajaja
mircea_popescu: bah these kids aren't beaten enough.
mircea_popescu: everrrry worthless pencilneck 7yo is "superior" in his own fucktarded brain.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding he sucks at anything and everything. "he's too good for this world"
asciilifeform: where this was dug out ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some fucktarded "commentary" on some pulp sf thing. http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm
assbot: Creating the Innocent Killer
asciilifeform: 'if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade' << obligatory >> http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0232.txt
mircea_popescu: "if i wasn't a snot-nosed worthjless sack of shit back when i was a snot-nosed worthless sack of shit"
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu: CUT!
mircea_popescu: "When passing the ball, you throw gently, so as the other person can
mircea_popescu: catch it. On the other hand, when passing to Fred, you try to break his nose!"
BingoBoingo: That's ok, because Fred's parents were cockolds and his bull was the NBA star. Fred insists on this treatment to prepare him for handling harried sloppy passes in games that mattter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00084456 = 14.3575 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ud pastie white girl
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pasties | pasty. A person with white skin. Not just white, like paper. But whiter! VERY WHITE ... Girl: OMG WHAT IS THAT GLOWING IN THE HALLWAY??? Girl 2: Thats ...
BingoBoingo: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/27/1921249/dot-proposes-mandating-vehicle-to-vehicle-communications
assbot: DoT Proposes Mandating Vehicle-To-Vehicle Communications - Slashdot
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway... << like i ain't got enough to do with van already
ben_vulpes: but yeah not a bad thing
kakobrekla: srecno
kakobrekla: ctrl -z
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00084456 = 20.6917 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52188 @ 0.0008429 = 43.9893 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/18/2338243/news-aggregator-fark-adds-misogyny-ban << linked from above
assbot: News Aggregator Fark Adds Misogyny Ban - Slashdot
asciilifeform: and, better yet, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/22/1441200/33-months-in-prison-for-recording-a-movie-in-a-theater
assbot: 33 Months In Prison For Recording a Movie In a Theater - Slashdot
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, and to anyone interested, a 30day high, low, volume and vwap is available at https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker_ext
BingoBoingo: Cool, thanks Apocalyptic
cazalla: missed the ball bearing talk but my old man was a fitter n turner, use to bring me home "marbles" the size of a tennis ball to take to school, many tears over smashed marbles
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.01, Best ask: 518.75, Bid-ask spread: 2.74000, Last trade: 518.86, 24 hour volume: 7090.67615405, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 516.076766915
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 259052.14 in 1662 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -86.21
mod6: just about to add in the '%vwap' command here in a few minutes.
BingoBoingo: Sweet
mod6: ok time for an opinion
mod6: < BitOTTer1> [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 2M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198 << 30d-vol is actually 1.72 M, but seems to be rounding to 2M, should i just print full amount, or 1720k?
assbot: devthedev +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Apocalyptic: !up devthedev
devthedev: How's everyone doing?
devthedev: Thanks Apocalyptic
BingoBoingo: Not bad
ben_vulpes: devthedev: who're you?
devthedev: Hey BingoBoingo (:
BingoBoingo: mod6: 1720k seems most reasonable
mod6: yea, im gonna try to fix that too, the rounding isn't even close.
mod6: just a moment
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: He's a kid who hangs around the forum and some other places, seems mostly harmless
ben_vulpes: sounds exactly like me then
devthedev: Nice to meet you Ben.
ben_vulpes: yourself as well
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust devthedev
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask devthedev!~devthedev@unaffiliated/devthedev. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014
jurov: what you're the dev for?
devthedev: Nothing at the moment.
jurov: and otherwise?
devthedev: I do some web development.
devthedev: I've had to give it a break because school just started back up :/
ben_vulpes: what tools?
devthedev: I'm not sure I understand the questions
devthedev: question*
jurov: what you develop in
BingoBoingo: devthedev: can you auth with gribble?
devthedev: I thought I had
BingoBoingo: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is not identified.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident devthedev
gribble: Nick 'devthedev', with hostmask 'devthedev!~devthedev@unaffiliated/devthedev', is identified as user 'devthedev', with GPG key id 84E2D89445C1BEA5, key fingerprint 57AD057E646B305C8D6ECBF036C0C43082715843, and bitcoin address 1GUsEgNhMUq1tAAje63SpHp5bLHdz12mdY
ben_vulpes: php?
BingoBoingo: Cool, I guess gribble blinked on me
ben_vulpes: javascript?
ben_vulpes: COBOL?
devthedev: Negative, I'm just starting to dig into PHP and JS. I mainly just do HTML/CSS.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate devthedev 1 kid, seems harmless
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user devthedev has been recorded.
jurov: on unrelated note, i today kinda understood haskell monads
jurov: and no, i won't blog it, it was underwhelming in the end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6212 @ 0.00084274 = 5.2351 BTC [-]
jurov: also i have some suspicion why it was chosen to prototype perl6
mod6: %vwap
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1721k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
mod6: ok, it'll have to be like that for now, will work on that volume rounding part.
dub: 1721killasatoshi?
dub: dafuq
jurov: Apocalyptic pls switch to libraries of congress
jurov: or whatever #b-a stamdard like double cherry truckful of coins
BingoBoingo: !up mike_c
mike_c: TheNewDeal: indeed, the site knew I was on vacation and has been throwing a tantrum. My apologies. I beat it appropriately and it is back on track.
mike_c: thx bingo
TheNewDeal: thank you sir, much appreciated
mike_c: Another recent fuck you from Armory: The latest version creates incompatible tx's with old versions.. So you can't use the new version online to create a tx for an older version serving as an offline cold wallet.
mike_c: they are really managing to screw up a decent wallet.
Apocalyptic: jurov, lulwhat ?
jurov: i'm referring to 30d-Vol: 1721k
Apocalyptic: if you're refering to the format of that number, that's mod6's bot :)
jurov: sry
mod6: fixed it... one sec.
mod6: jeeeze
Apocalyptic: np
mod6: %vwap
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
mod6: better? :P
mod6: bueller?
jurov: hah hah
TheNewDeal: ;;seen bueller
gribble: I have not seen bueller.
ben_vulpes: <jurov> and no, i won't blog it, it was underwhelming in the end << my experience with haskell writ large
mod6: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
mod6 drops the mic
TheNewDeal: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 514.31
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (ticker --last)*2.09*1.07*
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
TheNewDeal: hows that work
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (ticker --last)*2.09*1.07
gribble: Error: 'ticker' is not a defined function.
TomServo: ;;calc [ticker --last]*2.09*1.07
TomServo: ;;calc [ticker --last]*2.09*1.07
gribble: 1150.598713
TheNewDeal: there we go
BingoBoingo: !up redfder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 78 @ 0.01186496 = 0.9255 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34139 @ 0.00084219 = 28.7515 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31611 @ 0.00084672 = 26.7657 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1312.82551814 BTC. Current weight: 50,985.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00084348 = 15.0983 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: original yes on the brk-a bet is yielding 17.5%, not bad at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00084348 = 1.7291 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ;;view 21351
gribble: #21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0)
nubbins`: ^^ only 16 left
TheNewDeal: nice!
TheNewDeal: how much does it cost to laminate nubbins` ?
TheNewDeal: ;)
nubbins`: THE FUCK
nubbins`: ;(
TheNewDeal: just trolling
TheNewDeal: ima get mine framed
nubbins`: atta guy
TheNewDeal: mp bought 50?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: like i ain't got enough to do with van already << yeah like that lol. hey, beats unemployment, depression and doom.
BingoBoingo: The doom part isn't so bad
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ") While the site isn't as popular as during the early 2000s, the privately run discussion forum has continued and has its champions." << ha-ha. fark was popular in the 200s ? what is this, taking advantage of the noobness of the average internet user, "he wasn;t there so who;s to know" ?
mircea_popescu: windows 7 isn't as popular today as in the 2000s :D
mircea_popescu: NHTSA believes that V2V capability will not develop absent regulation, because there would not be any immediate safety benefits for consumers who are early adopters of V2V." <<< uhhh.... so then ?
mircea_popescu: and ffs, why put it on cars and light trucks ? put it on heavy trucks.
mircea_popescu: mod6: vol is actually 1.72 M, but seems to be rounding to 2M, should i just print full amount, or 1720k? << how about you print 1.72M
mircea_popescu: jurov: and no, i won't blog it, it was underwhelming in the end <<< this.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: they are really managing to screw up a decent wallet. <<< ya srsly, wtf is going on there.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: original yes on the brk-a bet is yielding 17.5%, not bad at all << also underwater atm.
TheNewDeal: september, october, november, december, january, february... there's a bit of time
mircea_popescu: it's still underwater.
mircea_popescu: and the position that's actually prevailing atm returns 600% or something.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/8eKWtB1P check out this fuckwit lol.
assbot: Re:The real crime here (Score:5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday Augu - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: so because the us forces insane people into homelessness while medicating the shit out of kids and young adults that'd benefit immensely from a good beating,
mircea_popescu: how about everyone stops sending the likes of the usg bureaucracy to prison, too!
mircea_popescu: flawless logic.
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Njt5FsU5Xc
assbot: Virtual rape hard to track in online gaming, police say - YouTube
mircea_popescu: ahahahHAHAHAHA
cazalla: i think i've heard it all now, how do you top virtual rape
mircea_popescu: WellGoodGames 13 hours ago sniff I was virtually murdered in call of duty and the police did nothing!
mircea_popescu: LasermanSteam2 hours ago Getting murdered in video games triggers me because it brings back the memories of me being murdered in real life.
TheNewDeal: losing my voice :(
mircea_popescu: ;;google losing my religion
gribble: Losing My Religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losing_My_Religion>; R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (Official Music Video) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if-UzXIQ5vw>; R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (Video) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwtdhWltSIg>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00084135 = 2.6082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10668 @ 0.00084152 = 8.9773 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118705/Photos-lost-phone-Chinese-gangster-bad-boy-lifestyle.html
assbot: Photos found on lost phone of 'Chinese gangster' show his bad-boy lifestyle | Mail Online
mircea_popescu: "This picture presumably shows a rival who has been beaten and is being humiliated by the man and his gang"
mircea_popescu: umm... no, it shows guy trying to get shoe on head prize.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at white knight central, http://tallguy-64.deviantart.com/art/Humiliated-Black-and-White-265791060 "black and white version of a picture I did a while ago to help spread awareness of social injustice"
mircea_popescu: ah interwebs...
cazalla: wow, it gets better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcNqdfL3AZM
assbot: Gamer harassed online after speaking out about 'virtual rape' - YouTube
mircea_popescu: did he get virtually raped ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if all these despicable fucktards trying to get on the me-too rape gravy train realise how much damage they're doing to actual women actually getting raped.
mircea_popescu: we're literal years away from would-be starlets releasing their rape tape much like their grandmothers releases sex tapes in the 90s,
mircea_popescu: and from there to rape glamor is a short path indeed. and it will not be because what mp said about rape,
mircea_popescu: it'll be because of what social media fucktards said about it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008432 = 14.3344 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: well, they spoke to a rape counsellor in that 2nd video and she thinks this cyber rape is just as real as irl rape
cazalla: there was another chick a few months back claiming ptsd from twitter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605888/Woman-claims-PTSD-Twitter-cyberstalking-says-bit-war-veterans.html
assbot: Woman claims she has PTSD from Twitter and cyberstalking | Mail Online
BingoBoingo: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-tsarnaev-bomb-threat-20140827-story.html << Speech in the USSA
assbot: Tsarnaev sister arrested on suspicion of making a bomb threat - LA Times
mircea_popescu: cazalla why wouldn't she ? if you spoke to a black country miner cca 1800 he'd think any hole in the ground is as much a mine as any other if it pays
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6: vol is actually 1.72 M, but seems to be rounding to 2M, should i just print full amount, or 1720k? << how about you print 1.72M << yeah, I got it worked out :)
mod6: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
mircea_popescu: nice!
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
mod6: thx. just took a bit of switching around, should be ok nao :]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Woman claims she has PTSD from Twitter and cyberstalking | Mail Online <<< yeah, and im sure any guy with actual trechn exposure under artillery carpet bombing is more than happy to not smack her a coupla across the skull.,
mod6: i need to update the wiki
mircea_popescu: trivializing actual issues in a neverending quest for online cred is definitely working so well for everyone o.o
BingoBoingo: !up usagi
usagi: Did you miss the part where they said these were mod games (like garrysmod)? These aren't videos about attacks, they're videos about people making movies with mod tools.
usagi: The whole thing is a troll
BingoBoingo: So
mircea_popescu: you know calling trollage "a troll" makes baby jesus a cry.
asciilifeform: any one here read leo katz's books?
asciilifeform: (american jurist)
asciilifeform: 'why the law is so perverse' (2011) is a real riot.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, speaking of bomb threats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8yLIOb2pU
assbot: The Creatures (Kootra) got SWAT Raided (SWATTED) #FreeKootra2014 - YouTube
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope.
mod6: if anyone knows how to update the wiki I've got some updates: http://dpaste.com/1J7F4E3
assbot: dpaste: 1J7F4E3
mod6: I haven't seen moiety around in a while
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mod6 should prolly be allowed neh ?
asciilifeform: mod6: i recall - she starved
mod6: asciilifeform: :(
mircea_popescu: "Why aren’t there any in-between verdicts?" << this cant be a good summary.
asciilifeform: bad summary.
mircea_popescu: the very fucking point of the legal system as an interllecual exercise is as a reality digitizer.
asciilifeform: the book is quite like the 'rule of law is a myth' piece (http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm - linked here a few times) except that katz hasn't let go of his religion yet
mircea_popescu: anyway, law as (mis)practiced in the us suffers greatly from a broken application. the legal system exists and is borne out of a wider social system based on hierarchy and personal sovereignity. such as, the classical monarchy.
asciilifeform: so he described the hilarious talmudic gymnastics he and his colleagues insist on to justify various things.
mircea_popescu: trying to make the law democratic by sourcing it in a parliament and applying it according to "what people think" can't possibly work and yhas no alternative but to degrade into soup
asciilifeform: the book is a beautiful illustration of this.
mircea_popescu: aite then :)
asciilifeform: (a good bit of it is devoted to the elaborate contortions jurists go through to dodge - unsuccessfully - godelization)
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: in general anyone with a solid education reading enough law and praxis to form an opinion inescapably forms the opinion that "this shitpile is made by remarkably uneducated folks"
TheNewDeal: ;;golden shower
gribble: Error: "golden" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;ud golden shower
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Golden%20Shower | The act of urinating on another person, usually for sexual gratification, or as a way of humiliation. More common than a Golden bath, where, during...
mircea_popescu: which... it is. just like code written picemeal by freelancer php developers will shock and amaze anyone who ever took a systems design class
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal http://trilema.com/2011/moment-de-intimitate-n-baie/
assbot: Moment de intimitate-n baie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: there is, ofcourse, a trilema article about this :D
TheNewDeal: that's not in my tongue!
asciilifeform: how many bladder-fulls in a 'golden bath' ?
asciilifeform: doubtful that merely one pisser could suffice
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's homeopathic dood. you piss and dilute.
asciilifeform: scam.
mircea_popescu: hahh
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/36VBQ6R.txt )
mircea_popescu: !b 5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14794 @ 0.00084229 = 12.4608 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's not supposed to be on your tongue, it's supposed to be on hers.
asciilifeform: by that token, any bath taken in the chesapeake bay (a notoriously putrid body of water where i live) is golden.
TheNewDeal: :o
mircea_popescu: who is arguing against this ?
asciilifeform: lol not me.
mircea_popescu: http://www.leoslyrics.com/animaniacs/states-and-capitals-lyrics/
assbot: STATES AND CAPITALS - ANIMANIACS LYRICS
mircea_popescu: grep for "they have wonderful clam chowder"
asciilifeform: ahaha
mircea_popescu: i guess this is the birth of "clam chowder" as a slang way to denote piss, on the expectation that well... average cunt is delighted to chomp on a jet.
mod6: chomp(chowdah)
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu did he ask?
mircea_popescu: I WAS CVASIRAPED BY THE #BITCOIN-ASSETS LOGS!!!
mircea_popescu: mod6 you gotta sk to get wiki cred.
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, american jurists are busy reaming the 'eggshell skull' doctrine to cover asciirape, etc.
mod6: hey kakobrekla, can I get access to the wiki so I can update for the recent bot changes? Also, I'd like to see about setting an anchor there so if someone actually clicks on that one link it'll take 'em to the correct bracket below.
kakobrekla: ok
mod6: cool!
RagnarDanneskjol: !s animaniacs
assbot: 12 results for 'animaniacs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=animaniacs
mircea_popescu: o just the guy i wanted to see.
RagnarDanneskjol: hoo me?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that caselaw is ridiculous bs and wouldn't stand.
mircea_popescu: !up degenerate
ben_vulpes: no you're not
kakobrekla: since im setting this up anyone else wants wiki access?
RagnarDanneskjol: yes
TheNewDeal: me too
kakobrekla: pm me your emails
dub: don't do it, scam
ben_vulpes: http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_file_upload.asp
assbot: PHP File Upload
TheNewDeal: ;;ident kakobrekla
gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: php_file_upload
ben_vulpes: dot
ben_vulpes: asp
ben_vulpes: i found fractals in the fractals
mircea_popescu: shit dub lives ?!
ben_vulpes: "By using the global PHP $_FILES array you can upload files from a client computer to the remote server."
mircea_popescu: http://www.salon.com/1999/08/23/prisons_3/ << isn't it fascinating how different pre-2001 and post-2001 liberal media reads ?
assbot: Rape as a disciplinary tactic - Salon.com
penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/27_city-of-bridges-here-and-there.html
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up xanthyos
kakobrekla: and with that im off . later
mod6: thanks kako!
xanthyos: donkdown freeroll, 380 registered of 315. "i am the most respected name in internet poker." (bryan micon)
mircea_popescu: ;;google most respected name in internet poker
gribble: NJ's Internet Poker Market on the Verge of a Breakthrough: <http://njpokeronline.net/1397/nj-online-poker-traffic-report-growth-possible-june/>; NJ Internet Poker Site Reviews Archives - New Jersey Poker Online: <http://njpokeronline.net/category/reviews/>; Best Internet Poker Sites - Online Poker Sites | PokerNews: <http://www.pokernews.com/sites/>
mod6: sweet, got the wiki updated easily. and got that link to point down to the atcbot section too. kewl
RagnarDanneskjol: I went straight for the bot edits too - wouldn't let me b/c you were in there. Neat
mircea_popescu: say DoctorBTC you have some visitors a la http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ ?
assbot: A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog
mircea_popescu: !up sealsy
mod6: i added a WoT link to my name in that wiki page also - hope that was ok. I don't love that little globe that pops in there but w/e. Any thoughts?
mircea_popescu: link "?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2408 @ 0.00084135 = 2.026 BTC [-]
mod6: mircea_popescu: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots << just updated some links in the atcbot top section, and cleaned up the bottom command section: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots#atcbot-commands
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
mod6: i linked this to my name in the page: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mod6
assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
mod6: all seems to work good.
mod6: !up devthedev
devthedev: Thanks (:
mod6: just don't make me regret it :}
devthedev: Bingo lives in the US right?
BingoBoingo: https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/wiki/KeyDistribution
assbot: KeyDistribution - end-to-end - High level key distribution / key discovery plans. - End-To-End - Google Project Hosting
devthedev: *pokes BingoBoingo*
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Well, if I didn't the feds prolly wouldn't have been able to drive down from Peoria
devthedev: Yep, was just making sure.
asciilifeform: mandatory 'V2V' << if the bureaucrats simply wanted to enable self-driving cars in dense city traffic, optimized stoplights, etc. - they could mandate a simple radio beacon in tail light lamps (screw-in replacement.) doubt there'd be mass protest - it'd be a machine-vision-friendly version of the light cars are traditionally required to emit anyway. but (no prizes for guessing) - 'V2V' is not about automatic car
asciilifeform: s.
TheNewDeal: !s test
assbot: 1069 results for 'test' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=test
asciilifeform: (what's it about in reality? real-time tracking of all meat inventory. and, with a little more magic - your car is own gasenwagen when time comes.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6219 @ 0.00084372 = 5.2471 BTC [+]
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
TheNewDeal: !up xanthyos
xanthyos: danielpbarron IS STREAMING LIVE ON http://www.donkdown.com/live-radio/ SPEAKING TO SEALSWITHCLUBS FRONTMAN BRYAN MICON LIVE LIVE LIVE
assbot: DonkDown – Live Radio
TheNewDeal: he's a professional gambler!!!
TheNewDeal: what is this trash?
xanthyos: this is the confidence game of a snake oil salesman
danielpbarron: he snapped me off clean :<
TheNewDeal: he sounds like an ass-clown to me
TheNewDeal: wish I would have caught the beginning of your chat
danielpbarron: he didn't keep me on long this time
danielpbarron: i didn't know about this thing he was promoting; it's some sort of FIAT denominated gambling somethingorother
xanthyos: "this is the second one back" << actually it's the third. the first involved a long discussion with dpb re: the wot
xanthyos: which got memory holed
TheNewDeal: yay, 6 years later I add !s to the wiki
TheNewDeal: !up smidge
TheNewDeal: smidge, have I mistaken you for someone who gives a fuck?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (what's it about in reality? real-time tracking of all meat inventory. and, with a little more magic - your car is own gasenwagen when time comes.) << they already had a pilot for this. amusingly, it was sold as an expensive ad on for luxury brands. northstar or something.
mircea_popescu: for a while there you could steal anyone's car just by pretending to be them, like with a twitter account
smidge slaps TheNewDeal around a bit with a large trout
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/federal-cybersecurity-official-going-to-jail-on-child-porn-charges/
assbot: Cybersecurity official uses Tor but still gets caught with child porn | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: At around 5 am, on the morning of July 18, 1981, six weeks after getting out of prison, Jack Abbott and two women, Veronique de St. Andre and Susan Roxas, went to a small cafe called the Binibon, located at 79 Second Ave in Manhattan. Richard Adan, a 22-year-old aspiring actor and playwright, was there working as a waiter in his father-in-law's restaurant. Abbott got up from his table and asked Richard Adan to direct h
mircea_popescu: im to the toilet. Adan explained that the toilet could be reached only through the kitchen, and because the restaurant did not have accident insurance for customers, only employees could use the bathroom. Abbott argued with him. They took their dispute outside, where Abbott stabbed Adan to death.
mircea_popescu: dude, srsly ? mahattan coffee house with no urinal ? in 1981 ? what the fuck is wrong with this somalia.
BingoBoingo: Manhattan is the urinal
TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo they somehow take over a website, use it to deploy malware, and that defeats tor how?
mircea_popescu: see, this is why taking two girls to a cafe isn't such a big deal.
mircea_popescu: taking two girls eager to swallow if you need to take a leak however..
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you familiar with the concept of "parallel construction" ?
TheNewDeal: I'm just saying, tor wasn't supposed to prevent any of those things from happening (in my limited knowledge)
mircea_popescu: ;;google "parallel construction"
gribble: Parallel construction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction>; Parallel Form - Guide to Grammar and Writing: <http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/parallelism.htm>; How to Use Parallel Construction Correctly - Quick and Dirty Tips: <http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/how-to-use-parallel-construction-correctly>
TheNewDeal: it's as if the website owner himself started hosting malware on his site, then people downloaded
mircea_popescu: that's why the fbi untruthfully claims to have happened.
mircea_popescu: you know it's untruthfully because it's a usg agent.
TheNewDeal: I'm confused here. You don't think they were smart enough to deploy malware that would give away information?
mircea_popescu: not the contention.
mircea_popescu: they used their numerous tor holes and exploits, then claimed to have done what what you seem to believe.
BingoBoingo: It's no secret that the biggest open tor flaw is that anyone with enough tor nodes is going to often going to get some users traffic for all three steps
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal lemme put this in more readily digestible terms for you.
mircea_popescu: you and a dozen friends all marry super-knockout trophy wives, living in a gated community called "the garden of eden", doing all sorts of fun shit.
mircea_popescu: one day a bunch of dudes come in, start raping the women and make the lot of you slurp the cum right out of their battered snatches.
TheNewDeal: this is getting incredibly off-topic, but feel free to continue
mircea_popescu: this last for a week or so.
mircea_popescu: what really happened is that a) they had the keys all along and b) had been tailing you all over town, listening in on your phone conversation, instant messaging and late night cuddle sessions
mircea_popescu: then they leave the door open on their way out.
mircea_popescu: at trial, it is established beyond reasonable doubt that your negligence in locking the door allowed "some bad people" to come and rape the lot of you, a week after it actually hapepned
mircea_popescu: and the police will more than happily try and find those bad people. sometime.
mircea_popescu: the actual events (police broke in and rape your fambly) are replaced by the parallel construction (someone came in and did it) on the turning point of "the door being left open".
mircea_popescu: an event that factually happened, but at the END of the police-led abuse, not at the beginning of the "unknown" led abuse posited in court paperwork.
asciilifeform: there is also the tired, old, mundane 'there is a kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem.
TheNewDeal: I think the first explanation is much more digestible
mircea_popescu: sure but that's too much effort.
asciilifeform: i.e. - on whose word are we to believe that mr. pedo is a pedo ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal don't confuse digestion for simply passing things through the system untouched.
asciilifeform: that the packets left his machine as described, or, if they did, that his head had anything to do with it
asciilifeform: or that the contents of his confiscated disk were placed there by his hands
asciilifeform: or, for that matter, exist even in the evidence room, and not merely loaded for the occasion from the prosecutor's private collection.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10356 @ 0.00084372 = 8.7376 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well information wants to be free neh ?
asciilifeform: ^ above case strikes me as a textbook case of 'can have problems'
mircea_popescu: im waiting for the first presidential indictment.
mircea_popescu: hopefully a republican wins before the whole shebang collapses and we get to see it.
asciilifeform: the funny part is - consider, if it were generally known that, e.g, fbi, owned a cocaine teleporter (purpose-built) that specifically sends to toilet tanks - the arrestee could bring this possibility up as a defense
asciilifeform: and might stand a chance

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