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nubbins`: i used to live with a sommelier
nubbins`: he sure did know how to recommend the shit out of wine
BingoBoingo: My favorite Grape product has always been Egri Bikaver
nubbins`: so gravity was ok but i didn't realize hot pants were standard issue for female astronauts
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: So you didn't solve my md4 puzzle yet?
nubbins`: didn't even try :D
BingoBoingo: Well the answer isn't this what-if.xkcd.com/89/
BingoBoingo: It may have been a hosted online stream of skyfall though
nubbins`: tungsten intoxication, imagine
MisterE: nubbins`: what was the last movie you watched?
nubbins`: gravity
MisterE: you were telling someone their recommendation better be good...
MisterE: the name seened interesting
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Seriously though, Craig is prolly the best Bond since Dalton
nubbins`: matchstick men
MisterE: thanks thats it
nubbins`: it was a piece of shit, turned it off 15min in
MisterE: lol crap
nubbins`: fuckin nicolas cage
VanCleef: craig isterrible
VanCleef: sorry
MisterE: oh fuck I'm not even going to imdb that
MisterE: nick Cage
nubbins`: if there's one thing that 5 men will never agree on, it's who the best bond was
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Craig is the third best Bond
MisterE: what is his good:bad movie ratio like 1:10
nubbins`: 1:oo
VanCleef: robert rodriguez is making a latino james bond film
VanCleef: should be interesting
BingoBoingo: Bonds ranked: Connery, Dalton, Craig, Moore, the rest, Connery
MisterE: best bond was ofc Shawn Connery
VanCleef: i liked dalton and licence to kill tho
MisterE: right moiety ?
BingoBoingo: Except when Connery was the worst
mircea_popescu: [\\\] lol not bad
ozbot: Robert Rodriguez's New El Rey Network Plans a 'Latino James Bond' Series | Filmmakers, Film Industry
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: License to kill was prolly the best bond move in the three decades it is in the center of
mircea_popescu: nubbins` where oo stands for oo-aa
VanCleef: yeh i rewatched it the other day, quite good
nubbins`: it was the closest i could get to an infinity symbol without trying
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: You realize such a thing is basically Breaking Bad, but centered on Tuco
MisterE: who was the Bond in the one with Jaws? Moonraker?
VanCleef: not a fan of breaking bad
MisterE: Breaking Bad is top 5 series ever made
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Both of those was Roger Moore
MisterE: probably tied for #2 with Sopranos in my book
MisterE: Roger Moore ok he was great
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Honestly it would be better from the Salamancas point of view
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Still only the 4th best bond though
MisterE: you have them ranked?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Very ranked
VanCleef: bingoboingo who do you think would make a good james bond after craig?
BingoBoingo: I dunno if it is time to think after Craig yet.
BingoBoingo: Craig is so solid and I dunno that any active English actors are ready yet.
nubbins`: cage
nubbins` cackles
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: The thing about Craig is LayerCake sold it.
VanCleef: i think Michael Fassbender
BingoBoingo: Fassbender doesn't have a LayerCake though
nubbins`: the idea of the "paleo diet" is interesting, but i can't help be suspicious that it's for fucking idiots
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: It is atkins for idiots
nubbins`: mostly based on the fact that most of the stuff i read about it appears to have been written by fucking idiots
BingoBoingo: Like Diablo-D3
nubbins`: "Now that you’ve been eating like a predator for some time, you are discovering that when you eat like a predator, and play like a predator, you start thinking like a predator. Stupid people aren’t annoyances: they’re profit centers. Fat people are no longer disgusting: they’re delicious."
nubbins`: what the fuck
BingoBoingo: Such idiot, much ketogenic
nubbins`: "ever since i went paleo, i don't find fat people disgusting"
MisterE: how about Jason Straham?
MisterE: is he English?
BingoBoingo: Statham?
BingoBoingo: English enough, but too old to replace craig
MisterE: ah yes I knew I was spelling last name wrong
MisterE: I seem to like many of the movies he's in
BingoBoingo: These roles have narrow time windows
nubbins`: transporter movies sucked
BingoBoingo: craig's replacement will prolly be unknowable until at least two years after he's too old
BingoBoingo: trasnporter one was good
BingoBoingo: The Crank movies were great though
nubbins` groans
nubbins`: not contrived at all
BingoBoingo: Contrived has aesthetic uses though
nubbins`: like when dude banged his wife in the middle of a football field
nubbins`: y'know, for the plot
MisterE: Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels he was good in that
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah
BingoBoingo: That scene was about liberation
nubbins`: not because all the HURR DURR knuckleheads who cummed at that scene in the first movie wanted to cum again
nubbins`: Crank is the kind of movie the roided-out cokehead at the gym would make
BingoBoingo: They can't make it
nubbins`: if they could :D
BingoBoingo: It isn't a problem of lacking the ability to, they lack the humor
joecool: the crank movies were shot on pretty low budget
joecool: if i recall they used off the shelf cameras from best buy
joecool: so yeah prob good have a bunch of gym guys make it
BingoBoingo: joecool: They did indeed
ozbot: How can Bitcoin be taxed as property, but regulated as money? It's time for a class action lawsuit.
nubbins`: it's time for a where's my ritalin
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: If you can throw a baseball in the strikezone at 92+ mph that will cease to be a dilema
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.0027771 = 1.1108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00605 = 0.484 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Way down the line in my cue of things I need to post about is why Marijuana is the best performance enhancing drug for handegg
VanCleef: another terrible buy from facebook today
BingoBoingo: The handegg-weed argument basically boils down to persistent analgesic effect and appetite stimulant effect
nubbins`: for lots of stuff
nubbins`: i did AP math in high school
nubbins`: this one kid used to get lit up before class
nubbins`: he wrote his calculus exams with a fucking pen
BingoBoingo: I took the GRE plastered
BingoBoingo: Off of Dewars white label scotch
BingoBoingo: Took the ASVAB with a migraine
nubbins`: there was a canadian snowboarded who lost olympic gold after testing + for pot
nubbins`: i say give him the silver as well as the gold
nubbins`: *snowboarder
BingoBoingo: Eh, fuck the Olympics
nubbins`: on that, we can agree
joecool: nubbins`: he got it back and now runs a very successful pot chain, ross' gold
joecool: (srsly)
ozbot: Ross Rebagliati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: On the ASVAB I did the multiple choice thing well enough to qualify for any enlisted job training in the US DoD, but failed the MEPs psych screening
BingoBoingo: I was manic as hell that weekend
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00605 = 0.599 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+]
VanCleef: dealing with cash seems alot easier than complying with these new bitcoin irs rules
BingoBoingo: Not really
BingoBoingo: Just convert between the two more selectively
BingoBoingo: The only thing the new IRS rules really hurt is Gyft's mode of operation
BingoBoingo: Where you convert at astoundingly high frequency
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Were you the NYDFS VanCleef
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.0027771 = 0.9442 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00605 = 0.847 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
ozbot: VIRCUREX IS RUNNING WITH NEGATIVE NAV: BEWARE EVERYBODY
cazalla: supernodes is back - https://twitter.com/balajis loves to repeat the term
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I really just want one of these SV types to kiss my glans and say, "I'm sorry"
ozbot: Twitter / BBoingo: @DodgersNation @cfarivar Would ...
MisterE: ozbot dont do YT eh
cazalla: wow, 2 minutes and it's gone
MisterE: yea amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
MisterE: construction fires are some of the scariest
MisterE: tons of fail by the FD there too, painfully obvious they were out of practice and coms were non-existant
ozbot: Mt. Gox says working with Tokyo police on investigation
MisterE: I think people will get some value back out of Gox once they unravel the mess
MisterE: seems like there is some there
BingoBoingo: Differences between the crazy and the merely ignorant, the crazy possess an enviable ability for introspection http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/25093-how-can-i-invent-a-new-disorder/#entry158059
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.049 = 0.392 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;; later someone remind me that tonight I started a great post about the quartz revolution and the swiss watch industry
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benkay: ;;later tell BingoBoingo tonight you started a post about something
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: h/t
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell benkay like any good research paper organizing the rest of it is the challenge
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62899771 = 1.887 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.048 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04899999 = 0.441 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0530005 = 0.106 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62699805 = 4.389 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.62931987 = 8.1812 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6298897 = 5.669 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 529 @ 0.0027771 = 1.4691 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0476 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04670999 = 0.9342 BTC [-] {8}
moiety: ;; later tell MisterE nah, the original James Bond to me is Roger Moore; modern Bond Pierce Brosnan/Daniel Craig equally. I can't take Sean Connery seriously after the film with the flying penises, not to mention his ever exaggerated accent :P
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo something about watches. also i'm unsure if i fell asleep or fainted after reading vicurex's distribution plan :s
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00277709 = 0.2083 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: wuuuuuuut 1000 lines? guys and gals you outdid yourself
jurov: *yourselves
jurov: what about a bet "#bitcoin-assets daily log to have > 5000 lines any day"
jurov: to hedge my inability to keep up
moiety: jurov: there was movie suggestions going on XD
VanCleef: i like how fb is just throwing money away
VanCleef: they're getting desperate
HeySteve: you talking Oculus Rift, VanCleef?
HeySteve: not sure what FB would want with VR headset but doubtless something sinister
cazalla: gotta keep up with google glass
VanCleef: yeh steve
VanCleef: they're making the matrix fo realz with extra ads
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07102 = 0.3551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00263502 = 0.137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15317 @ 0.00095264 = 14.5916 BTC [+]
cazalla: you will need to login to facebook before logging into the matrix
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00532521 = 0.1331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00095088 = 17.2109 BTC [-]
dub: ;;later tell asciilifeform remember: Your brain is LIQUEFYING from hanging out with RETARDS. Your PRINCIPLES are liquefying!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: nubbins`: the drive asks too much juice, use other or a powered hub
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00592872 = 0.5099 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00094844 = 19.1585 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: hi cuties
only: hey love <3
Neil: Don't really want to restart the convo of 24hrs ago, but I'll just point out that our friend http://bitbet.us/stats/16tAoe9PWgyncvCRxjtisPiNy9Pbcrqsgf/ has done simultaneous bets on both sides of several bets. *Every* 2-way bet that has resolved so far has been a loss for him, often substantially so.
jurov: needs bigger sample, one lucky bet could get him into the blue
jurov: or black? whatever
jurov: and BingoBoingo, don't forget to feature >1y old vircurex screenshot from archive
jurov: tables on top of each other and everything.. it was minimalistic ugliness unsurpassed since
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05491999 = 0.2746 BTC [-] {3}
Neil: .bait
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04540624 = 0.7265 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.045 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07299489 = 0.292 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299689 = 0.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299789 = 0.365 BTC [+]
ozbot: Cops: Man Hit Girlfriend With Anger Management Book
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04739966 = 0.1422 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095005 = 7.5054 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: is anyone else tired of this 'big data' tripe being parroted
Mats_cd03: i just talked to an "intelligence professional" that wants to study "data sciences and analytics" through a "masters in (applied sciences) big data"
Mats_cd03: im about to die of buzzword poisoning
Mats_cd03: universities should just offer 'ripping off government acquisitions managers' as a degree and be done with it
cedivad: Mats_cd03: lol; +1
blackwhite: morning gents
blackwhite: so this is unrelated to bitcoin but might still be of interest. I am doing a contextual note taking app for osx. I have an alpha version and is looking for a few people to test it. The look of it is like this http://grab.by/vs1G
blackwhite: and I would love some none designers to test it out
herbijudlestoids: just thought id pop in
mircea_popescu: hey herbi
herbijudlestoids: hows life?
mircea_popescu: just in time, i'm hatching a scholarship thingee
herbijudlestoids: tell me more
herbijudlestoids: ps: i saw your letters to the SEC. lelz.
herbijudlestoids: randomly on coindesk one day saw MPex mentioned, about a week ago ithink
mircea_popescu: you need better sources lolz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, prolly next article.
herbijudlestoids: anyway i just wanted to pop in and check that youre all alive and well
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TomServo: mircea_popescu: when you laying that egg?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, it's one of those
mircea_popescu: floating in my head doesn't want to come out
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/#comment-98711 << today i learned someone's been actually doing something pretty close to the whole google-bitbet thing
ozbot: How to have fun as an intelligent person pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 54 @ 0.00228926 = 0.1236 BTC [-] {9}
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: what was your MOS
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ozbot: Obama's 'Operation Choke Point' Seeks to Destroy Sectors of Private Lending Industry
mircea_popescu: " 'Operation Choke Point,' which is designed to destroy three sectors of the private lending industry: third party payment processors ("TPPPs"), payday lenders, and online lenders. ". sez breitbart.
Mats_cd03: i disagree with the belief that payday lenders are toxic
Mats_cd03: the fact that banks suck so much is precisely why consumers have fled to their services
Mats_cd03: ^ away rather
mircea_popescu: what's toxic is, as always, plastic.
mircea_popescu: the fact that they enforce it on the "Well to do" govt employees makes it very expensive for actual workers to gateway to the cash ecpnomy they use
mircea_popescu: basically they're forcing people to be paid in lala land whether they live in lalaland or the actual tide economy
Mats_cd03: its simpler than that
ozbot: The Real Reason the Poor Go Without Bank Accounts - Lisa J. Servon - The Atlantic Cities
Mats_cd03: less friction seems to be the simplest way to describe it
mircea_popescu: yup. is pretty much what i meant.
chetty: the organization plays a critical role in influencing the behavior of banks and financial institutions around the country
Mats_cd03: the above article should be required reading for self titled bitcoin enthusiasts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05562636 = 0.6119 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: we probably should make a list of required reading
mircea_popescu: lampelina hey, you considering a "must read these" page ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 752 @ 0.00013675 = 0.1028 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: Mats_cd03, that was a great article, thanks much
Mats_cd03: glad you liked it chetty
lampelina: mircea_popescu, what do you mean with that
lampelina: a faq or similar?
mircea_popescu: no, like a recomended reading list.
ThickAsThieves: maybe it ends up a curriculum
mircea_popescu: Oculus VisionTech Inc.OVTZ +87.50%,
lampelina: will think about it when I come to this
mircea_popescu: and then we bitch about bitcoiners being clueless.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves we definitely need a curriculum, currently it's "stfu and read", but the implied "read what ?!" is never really addressed.
ThickAsThieves: yeah, "go read the logs and the forum" isn't quite realistic anymore
mircea_popescu: making a proper reading list is definitely something someone with a background in education could halp with
ThickAsThieves: it's a fucking oddysey by now
mircea_popescu: the logs are > 50mb on my disk. who can read that ?
mircea_popescu: and the forums i wouldn't advise anyone to read, unless they had mastered both the topic and internet stuff.
ThickAsThieves: i feel like i should be able to get a job just mased on all the readin ive done the past year
mircea_popescu: in principle you should, yes.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure eventually people will, just this bs "o we're the sec/jpm/herpdiderp, we don't need no stikinin' obedience to bitcoin" will have to be either crushed or dissolved first.
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mircea_popescu: what did that thing ipo at, was it 25 ? or 30 something ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.0027008 = 0.6131 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: both i guess
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> making a proper reading list is definitely something someone with a background in education could halp with < yes someone give her a hand so we dont end up with links to facebook :p
ThickAsThieves: xbond round was 25, full offering was 30
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla kinda what im tryin for :)
mircea_popescu: "If your employer offers you insurance that doesn’t provide free ella, or anything else on the list of “preventive services”—as defined by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and ultimately by Obama—then it’s subject to a fine of $36,500 a year. But if your employer doesn’t offer you insurance at all, it’s subject to a fine of $2,000 a year. "
mircea_popescu: the usg wrote the book on perverse incentives, srsly.
kakobrekla: <ThickAsThieves> i feel like i should be able to get a job just mased on all the readin ive done the past year < isnt it the point that you end up not having 'a job'
asciilifeform: somebody explain the mindfuck from earlier. the 'check cashing shop' thing isn't a straight scam?
ThickAsThieves: depends how you define job kako
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01634198 = 0.2778 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party
kakobrekla: i thought it was an acronym for just over broke
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no ?
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kakobrekla: <ThickAsThieves> i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party < you dont need a biz or a job or anything for that
kakobrekla: go pick up trash
mircea_popescu: about 200mn of us citizens live in the fictitious world of bezzle. they never use cash for anything. about 50mn us citizens live in the real economy, they mostly use tide for currency, but at the fringe there's this exchange of people who work for the fictitious economy,
asciilifeform: the way it was explained to me, by one wretch, is that many folks who refuse to use ordinary banks do so because they were hounded by creditors (ordinary ones, and government alimony collectors)
mircea_popescu: but then try to obtain their wages in actual cash
mircea_popescu: nope. it's mostly because they are not part of that world.
mircea_popescu: like you know, some people don't wear dockers, because they're not social justice warriors, the women they fuck don't even know what dockers are, etc.
asciilifeform: how does using paper benjamins release you from bezzle?
mircea_popescu: it's not that it releases you from it,
mircea_popescu: it's just that it makes no sense for you to keep virtual benjamins if you do nothing in the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: by now it's pretty much two different currencies.
mircea_popescu: the 401k-dollar and the cocaine-stained-dollar,
mircea_popescu: different entirely.
asciilifeform: a little hard to buy a reel of 0805 resistors with paper hundies
mircea_popescu: but that guy does not buy a reel of resistors.
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla> <ThickAsThieves> i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party < you dont need a biz or a job or anything for that /// only in the broad sense, i wouldnt personally find that "worth doing" in my own values of what my time is worth
mircea_popescu: a little hard to buy what he buys with wot rating.
ThickAsThieves: not saying i'm "above" picking up trash, i have at times, just that it's not the right fit, nor taking advantage of any of my experience
ThickAsThieves: i guess i am saying i'me above it, i dunno
mircea_popescu: that escalated quickly.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i've laid cable, for instance, to eat.
ThickAsThieves: well, sure, gotta do what you gotta do
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kakobrekla: i did a lot of stuff to eat
ThickAsThieves: let's not veer over a cliff here, this started mostly by pointing out that anyone who's well read in this space probably has something valuable to offer
kakobrekla: never had a job in my view.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if you're hard up for work, become a reverse engineer
ThickAsThieves: i'm not hard up for work
asciilifeform: people have serious problems hiring any
ThickAsThieves: i am however having trouble choosing work
mircea_popescu: i guess im the only privileged asshole here, i never did anything to eat.
mike_c: i cooked and disposed of laboratory trash to pay for school. worst smell of my life.
kakobrekla: >Goat's posts are disappearing.. by whom?
kakobrekla: >>Probably deleted by himself because his user ID does not appear in the modlog (Ctrl + F "44233" without quotation marks). All deleted posts are still visible on bitcointa.lk though (this thread is 6 pages longer).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 401k-dollar and the cocaine-stained-dollar << nobody forces people to jump in chumpatron
kakobrekla: double lel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but yes they do. suppose you work for company x.
mircea_popescu: you can't instruct them to pay you in cash.
asciilifeform: in u.s. you can usually become 'contractor' and get your pay in whole, then you are required to pay the tax collectors manually
mircea_popescu: no, you can't.
mircea_popescu: if you become a contractor you will be paid by check
mircea_popescu: and that will be deposited in your bank account
mircea_popescu: and you can't take the cash out.
mircea_popescu: on one hand because you are legally required to keep your money in the bank
mircea_popescu: on the other hand because you're not rlegally allowed to make withdrawals.
ThickAsThieves: i missed something, why can't someone withdraw their money?
asciilifeform: since when? every bank i ever used let you take it out. granted, if you take more than $xxxx in one day, the anti-terrorism folks get a phone call.
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: I was unwaiverably ineligible, because crazy
benkay: another cuh-ray-zee aspect of the bezzle is the plastic rewards thing that makes cash more expensive.
chetty: well you can withdraw, but its not so easy etc.
ThickAsThieves: yes the $xxxx thing is a real throttle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then what part of "not allowed" don't you follow ?
mircea_popescu: you're allowed except you're not and if you do we fuck you up ?
mircea_popescu: let's run some scenarios. i am a contractor, working for you. you write me a check for 100k.
mircea_popescu: i go to bank, order them to pay me 100k.
mircea_popescu: they tell me they can't.
mircea_popescu: problem solved.
mircea_popescu: i order them to pay me 10k.
mircea_popescu: they tell me they can;t.
mircea_popescu: problem also solved.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00591 = 0.857 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: they then proceed me to tell me that they can pay some, but can't tell me how much.
ThickAsThieves: you could do 9k per day without much fuss
mircea_popescu: if i hire someone to go take money out every day for a year, 300 bucks at a time,
mircea_popescu: and keep it at home, i'll be in violation of the "corps must keep their funds i na bank" rule.
mircea_popescu: in any case any qty of cash will be confiscated by govt agents on sight
mircea_popescu: and on it goes.
asciilifeform: that last part, is, afaik, true
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the fuss will be that on the third time yo udo it your house will be confiscated,
asciilifeform: but there isn't an official 'humans must keep cash in a bank' rule atm.
mircea_popescu: pending you prove that you have a "legitimate reason" and in any case you face prosecution under the "trying to avoid prosecution for using your own money" laws.
asciilifeform: you are theoretically welcome to keep your pay in gold, or cement, so long as the tax was paid
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, but contractors aren't physical persons, they're legal persons, and that rule does exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very theoretically. in the sense you're theoretically welcome to shoot the president.
mircea_popescu: so no, participation in the us chumpatron is voluntary in the sense participation in the communist party was voluntary.
asciilifeform: ok in that sense it is very true
ozbot: Selling Sperm
jborkl: heh
mircea_popescu: lol. someone should point out to the sperm seller the precedent re paying for child support.
asciilifeform: one can still decide on the degree to which to play the chumpatron. no one is forced to buy 401k, yet.
mircea_popescu: yes, you are.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013798 = 0.138 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ever worked in an office asciilifeform ?
ThickAsThieves: it's shoved down your throat at least
mircea_popescu: suppose you work as an accountant, with six others.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're the only one who doesn't.
ThickAsThieves: so much so that your family advocates it endlessly too
mircea_popescu: suppose the yearly review mentions this point.
mircea_popescu: suppose someone has to be let go.
benkay: "but you're giving up free money!"
asciilifeform: if it's a corp that 'matches' 401k, and avaricious boss, he ought to fire the more expensive fellow (the one who opts in) ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one who opts out is more expensive to him.
mircea_popescu: the matching gives him a tax break.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 675 @ 0.00048893 = 0.33 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: if he plans his budget, and you upset the planning,
mircea_popescu: you may actually force him over a threshold, with results so far out of proportion he might as well just shoot you and bury you in hudson river.
benkay: thereby collecting the insurance policy he took out on you.
asciilifeform: not that this situation is impossible - but most large co.s have a third party run their chumpatronics
asciilifeform: so the fellow who is to fire you may not even know if you use 401k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00587761 = 0.8816 BTC [-] {9}
mircea_popescu: third parties can also shoot you and bury you in the river.
mircea_popescu: what are you, from the 60s ?
mircea_popescu: they have like computers now and shit.
asciilifeform: once again, i can't say that this scenario is impossible. just that it includes an extraordinary level of 'personal attention' from bureaucrats who would normally rather play tetris
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013505 = 0.1351 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013107 = 0.1311 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: actually i can readily believe that exactly this would happen to, say, an executive salaried $1M
asciilifeform: if he were to demand his pay in something like money (even banked, electronic money, with all applicable tax paid) he might 'begin to have problems.'
VanCleef: anyone know goats address i'd like to send him a bucket of sperm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000007 = 0.7 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094739 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;google kanye power
gribble: Kanye West - POWER - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE>; Kanye West - POWER [FULL ORIGINAL HQ SONG] - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouwCWDbBskU>; Kanye West – Power Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-power-lyrics>
VanCleef: oh dear
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> suppose someone has to be let go. << Fire the person that sucks at their job
benkay: note the damoclean sword in that video, thestringpuller ?
BingoBoingo: !last S.POWER
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
VanCleef: youknow whats funny about kanyewest his mom died from plastic surgery that he paid for lol
VanCleef: what a douche
benkay: comedy is when the bad guy dies
benkay: tragedy is when everyone dies
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <smickles> wtf bet on the price rising rather than buying more or buying an option (or similar)
thestringpuller: XD enjoi your retirement old friend
benkay: Neil: why not reignite the discussion?
mircea_popescu: artifexd i suppose that's the one thing that has never happened yet.
benkay: Neil: you neglected to mention that his odds are much longer than the house odds
benkay: and you also didn't tabulate and chart your claim, but that's neither here nor there.
VanCleef: how is candy crush worth 500 million its just an app
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04501 = 0.3151 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: seems they just played the "we got haxxed" part
ozbot: Cryptorush BC shit (complete) - Pastebin.com
Apocalyptic: much sooner than I expected tbh
VanCleef: dot com bubble 2.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.32121462 BTC to 4`622 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
Apocalyptic: "[03:43] <Linkandzelda> I built my exchange to work around the daemon's account feature for managing user trades and balances/deposits/withdraws
Apocalyptic: oh no this is too god
Apocalyptic: it's well known that even bitcoin's account are completely buggy and broken
Mats_cd03: if someone hosts the so-called bitcoin educational page, ill help populate it with materials
Apocalyptic: or was until 0.9 anyway, Gavin claims to have fixed it
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 well lampelina will, i gather.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic maybe drop a link to the article ?
mircea_popescu: or what channel is this ?
Apocalyptic: i think it's #cryptorush, i'm not in that channel though
VanCleef: ;google theglobe.com
VanCleef: ;;google theglobe.com
gribble: theglobe.com - About Us: <http://www.theglobe.com/>; theGlobe.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheGlobe.com>; Remember theGlobe.com? Tech IPOs have a dismal ... - CNN Money: <http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/16/technology/facebook-ipo-warning/>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07386573 = 7.3866 BTC [+] {8}
Mats_cd03: [03:45] <Linkandzelda> which basically, I dont knpow how, but it gave users too many coins (too many being an extra 21 million in total)
mircea_popescu: i left them a link, should manage on their own.
Mats_cd03: i bet this individual doesnt know the difference between signed and unsigned integers
padishah_emperor: what bitcoin stocks should I put money into ?
benkay: vircurex
mike_c: fyrstikken sounds familiar. what exchange does he run?
benkay: padishah_emperor: basically zero stocks have outperformed holding btc.
benkay: there are some notable exceptions, but they're not popular.
mike_c: oh, derp. he is one of the three amigos from coinrush.
VanCleef: you're better off holding coin
mike_c: er, cryptorush
padishah_emperor: benkay: ok thanks, thought so
mike_c: padishah_emperor: he was kidding. they are insolvent.
mike_c: geez. i am an idiot today. ignore that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6297 @ 0.00094853 = 5.9729 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay orly ?
Mats_cd03: padishah_emperor: mpex.co ?
Mats_cd03: benkay mp is about to brag about mpoe just give it a second
benkay: well with a softball pitch like that why wouldn't he
benkay: if padishah_emperor hasn't found mpoe on his/her own...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 what is this mpoe you speak of.
padishah_emperor: do you want my money ?
padishah_emperor: mircea any advice on where I _should_ throw my money?
mircea_popescu: mnope. who are you anyway ?
padishah_emperor: just a guy with money
mircea_popescu: well then you should hold on to it and spend a year or so reading.
mircea_popescu: the log is in the topic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [+]
padishah_emperor: but time is money, friend
mircea_popescu: exactly. spend your time so you may keep your money.
padishah_emperor: i have lots of money but not much time :(
mircea_popescu: vacation is in order.
BingoBoingo: I hear Transnidstria is a beautiful place
mircea_popescu: it's a sort of "shity strip of new jerseu"
asciilifeform: someone needs to start a 'war vacation' agency
padishah_emperor: my father was from moldova
asciilifeform: basic training for extra cost
VanCleef: buy more time
padishah_emperor: mircea i think whether you like it or not you're getting my money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.60409765 = 15.1024 BTC [-] {11}
VanCleef: buy some candrycrush shares
BingoBoingo: "The freedom fighters are poorly-funded, and thus are sourcing money via war tourism, inviting wealthy foreigners to join their ranks for the thrills and experience."
thestringpuller: "if you're getting bitcoin throw it in the air. bitcoin-assets, the hustler's lair."
Mats_cd03: your negro vernacular is lacking, thestringpuller
thestringpuller: COME AT ME BRO
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if this business actually existed, it couldn't rely on 'naturally-occurring' wars.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it would need to set up a reliable one. by shipping clients to both 'sides'
padishah_emperor: honestly guys I made ~680-90k aud on fucking dogecoin
padishah_emperor: so i have less aprreciation for money
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course.
padishah_emperor: and more for absurdist theatre
padishah_emperor: so I'm beyond it...
VanCleef: i believe your honesty
bounce: so now we have a bunch that did their own coind and customer funds went AWOL. and a bunch that used the reference client and customer funds went AWOL. now, digital finance is unforgiving, but I'll say that it's not purely operator error in a hostile environment; looks like the machinery is dangerous too.
asciilifeform: bounce: 'reference client hacked' is 'extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence'
asciilifeform: bounce: not because the thing isn't a turd - it is - but it is then necessary to explain why other people's coins have stayed put.
BingoBoingo: bounce: They used "features" that weren't really implemented
bounce: well, yes, but that's not really the point. the reference client perhaps shouldn't be filled with interfaces that don't work very well.
benkay: talk to the 'core dev team' about that.
BingoBoingo: Well, use version 0.4-0.6
BingoBoingo: With the config change to raise the DB locks
asciilifeform: reference client perhaps shouldn't be filled with interfaces that don't work << not everything in the kitchen is food. rat poison is not a condiment
bounce: oh, so the core devs are at it deliberately
asciilifeform: from whom is this a secret
ozbot: Tulip Mania: The First Bubble [Debt & Doubt - Animation 6] - YouTube
bounce: bit of a problem then that from the outside you can't see just how the exchange's innards pick their condiments
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05500001 = 0.22 BTC [+]
adolf_fishler: wheres nubbins
adolf_fishler: did he watch matchstickmen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00275 = 0.825 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 199 @ 0.00275 = 0.5473 BTC [+]
ozbot: IRS rules on Bitcoin; This is actually news - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttco
ThickAsThieves: us buttcoin owner in this channel
ThickAsThieves: good stuff
FabianB: has it been discussed yet why Huobi is paying ppl that were just too foolish to market sell into a too shallow order book?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07051101 = 0.282 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.5, Best ask: 586.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 586.29, 24 hour volume: 11784.29834825, 24 hour low: 565.0, 24 hour high: 592.0, 24 hour vwap: 580.322827357
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ubiquitous-comsec.htm << somebody needs a new shannonizer. this one's sputtering.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00278999 = 0.1395 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: potential sequel to your cesar cipher essay:
asciilifeform: somehow this is all very reminiscent of folks disenchanted with the american medical establishment switching to snake oils, faith healing
Mats_cd03: benkay: leviathan wakes isnt bad, im ~100 pages through
benkay: i lost several nights of sleep to that book
ozbot: Russia Gets Ready for Life Without Visa and MasterCard - Businessweek
ThickAsThieves: http://pando.com/2014/03/26/oculus-rises-to-a-2b-exit-while-its-kickstarter-backers-are-left-with-cheap-swag/ it's interesting to think how regulation has actually created a situation where investors can be totally removed from any interest in the company they effectively funded
ozbot: Oculus rises to a $2B exit while its Kickstarter backers are left with cheap swag | PandoDaily
ThickAsThieves: oculus gets $2m to create their thing, sells out for $2b
ThickAsThieves: investors get a gizmo
benkay: i thought that was the whole point of kickstarter.
ThickAsThieves: this event puts it into real perspective though
Duffer1: i believe that's more an effect of a consumer mindset rather than a common sense mindset that would naturally want equity instead of swag
ThickAsThieves: sure, all the investors know what they got into
benkay: yeah but fartup equity is usually worth zero anyways
ThickAsThieves: and can only expect their gizmo
benkay: a toss up as to which is better value: likely worthless paper vs. entertaining gizmo
benkay: either way you get the fartup feels
ThickAsThieves: but if Oculos were allowed to actually crowdfund for equity investors, the odds are thats what they would have done instead
VanCleef: with the money that oculoss made with fb they hsould pay back the kickstarter peeps
Duffer1: aren't they allowed already through a DPO?
ThickAsThieves: VanCleef, while that would be "nice" i see no reason they should
VanCleef: but yeh anyway another terrible buy from fb
ThickAsThieves: possibly
pankkake: them being bought by facebook make them unlikely to deliver the advertised product
ThickAsThieves: i agree that Facebook does not seem agile anough to imitate what google does
Duffer1: or deliver it on Facebook's terms
ThickAsThieves: but it is still the only hope they have to survive
ThickAsThieves: to branch out
Duffer1: also the sequels to Leviathan Wakes were pretty disappointing imo
ThickAsThieves: i dont see how socilmedia-izing the Rift will help
ThickAsThieves: i'm typing like a champ today...
Duffer1: maybe they want to offer a vr platform for minigame devs?
VanCleef: so on kickstarter are you allowed to sell equity into yourprivate company or nah?
Duffer1: nope
Duffer1: er not that i'm aware of
ThickAsThieves: there are new laws on the table in the JOBS act I believe
ThickAsThieves: to allow for such
ThickAsThieves: but they are tabled or something
VanCleef: mmmk
VanCleef: that would be cool
VanCleef: id probably invest in things on kickstarter
VanCleef: if that were da case
ThickAsThieves: Candy Crush IPO opens at 10% under offer price
Duffer1: hehe
VanCleef: yeh that candy crush ipo is a joke
VanCleef: dotcom bubble 2.0
Diablo-D3: you know whats funny?
Diablo-D3: no one in here
Diablo-D3: can actually afford to do business with me
ThickAsThieves: you can say that again
VanCleef: i think these are signs that market is topping and everything over valued bubbles etc and could see a decent crash this year
ThickAsThieves: hard to say
ThickAsThieves: inflation fucks up valuations for stocks
VanCleef: we're definitely in a bailout bubble atm
Mats_cd03: wouldnt be the first time someone said that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol the saga of bad crypto never ends does it.
mircea_popescu: FabianB nope. link ?
ozbot: Overdose: The Next Financial Crisis - YouTube
FabianB: "Huobi agreed to make its customers whole again at 70 RMB ($11.29) per LTC for anyone who sold below that level."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves somehow this discussion is a strange rehash of the older "platinum records / musical talent" thing.
mircea_popescu: a large part of the entire "start-up success" fantasy by now is specifically NOT having any sort of technical merit or actual value
mircea_popescu: much like a singer won't win if they're good. they must suck to win, in order to "represent" the idiots watching at home.
FabianB: just wondered whether i got something wrong or if they really pay their stupidest users
mircea_popescu: FabianB i would suppose they're taking the opposite tack to the now-famous "fuck you and read" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0541 = 0.3787 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: plenty of people trying to make a career out of doing the wrong thing.
FabianB: seems like
ThickAsThieves: i'm having trouble understanding this huobi thing
ThickAsThieves: how did people get negative balances? why are they refunding people in cash?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` maybe tshirts with "A loser is You!"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because it's broken ? i dunno, just my guess.
VanCleef: i blame Mark Karpelass
FabianB: ThickAsThieves: looks like you can margin trade on huobi
ThickAsThieves: most retarded headline of the week: Poll: 48% of Americans understand bitcoin but most still prefer gold - See more at: http://www.pfhub.com/poll-americans-distrust-bitcoin-and-prefer-gold-457/#sthash.yidxzuVA.dpuf
ThickAsThieves: 48% of americans surely do not own gold
ThickAsThieves: surely dont understand bitcoin either
mircea_popescu: "please believe us when we say the shit we sell you is worth buying"
mircea_popescu: "we have a poll to prove it"
ThickAsThieves: lol, in the recommended links on the same page:
ThickAsThieves: Poll: 76% of Americans never heard of bitcoin, 79% would never own one
benkay: 99% will never own one.
benkay: "We! Are! The 99%!"
ThickAsThieves: the numbers, they have a mind of their own!
ThickAsThieves: socially transmitted diseases
VanCleef: Putin approval rating is higher in American than Obama
ThickAsThieves: obama better hit the gym
asciilifeform: VanCleef: afaik this has been the case for years.
asciilifeform: VanCleef: same poll as 'bedbugs have higher approval rating than senate,' etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00282999 = 0.1981 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "Congress to consider banning online gambling"
ThickAsThieves: when will they ban Twitter?
VanCleef: america should just ban the internet
mircea_popescu: lol. 75% of all statistics are made up
VanCleef: fact: a woman in Afganistan has more freedoms than a male in America.
dhenson: fact: soon, China will be the #1 english speaking country in the world.
Mats_cd03: thats dubious, have you ever interacted with chinese speakers that learned ESL?
Mats_cd03: their ESL programs are horrible
Mats_cd03: english speaking is a reach
adolf_fishler: fact: a woman in Afganistan has more freedoms than a male in America.
adolf_fishler: i believe that one
dhenson: They would only need 1 in 3 to speak english. With all of the american tv programming, I could believe it.
adolf_fishler: its ok for your wife to beat u in america
adolf_fishler: ur just supposed to let her. its the law.
asciilifeform: in antarctica, even more freedom.
Mats_cd03: lol 'only'
dhenson: A friend of mine's wife was arrested for assault, so not sure that's known by my local police if true.
adolf_fishler: what did she assault
dhenson: Of course, she did run over him with the car.
dhenson: (back tire)
adolf_fishler: thats attempted murder
adolf_fishler: slightly more aggressive than assault
dhenson: Nah, she was driving away and bumped the car into him and ran over his foot. just assault
adolf_fishler: it wasnt intentional ?
dhenson: Bumping into him was, she claimed running over his foot wasn't. Not sure what she thought was going to happen.
mircea_popescu: well, depends what your standards for "speaking english" are.
mircea_popescu: most us citizens don't speak english worth a crap.
asciilifeform: 'english as she is spoke'
asciilifeform: ;;google english as she is spoke
gribble: English As She Is Spoke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_As_She_Is_Spoke>; English as she is spoke by Pedro Carolino and José da Fonseca ...: <http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/30411>; English As She Is Spoke vs. Babelfish!: <http://www.zompist.com/spoke.html>
dhenson: At what point is it going to stop being called 'English'? Referring to the divergant language in parts of the US (south especially).
ozbot: Southpark - They Took Our Job - YouTube
mircea_popescu: at no point.
asciilifeform: well, in afghanistan, a hill tribe 10km from another such may or may not understand the speech. but to us, they both speak pashto
asciilifeform: standardized language is a 'luxury of civilization', like your mains socket
asciilifeform: it doesn't happen automagically.
ThickAsThieves: it's already split, English (American)
ThickAsThieves: in most software at leats
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: software people writing 'spell checker' mostly understand this to mean just the websterian reform, where they snipped the 'u' from 'colour', etc.
mircea_popescu: and turned s to z in a bunch of continuous forms
ThickAsThieves: and change s to z
mircea_popescu: yay i got one
asciilifeform: 'advertize'
mircea_popescu: martinizing and advertizing
the20year3: which is how it should be
mircea_popescu: the contributions of the us to englidsh
ThickAsThieves: z sounds more like s than s does!
asciilifeform: (herr orlov's crackpot crusade)
the20year3: utilization of the letter so it doesn't become obsolete
ThickAsThieves: it'll always have zebra!
ThickAsThieves: may one day it overcomes x too
ThickAsThieves: zylophone
mircea_popescu: and zylophone
ThickAsThieves: the hive mind is improving
ozbot: Project Unspell: What does one need to know in order to read English?
ozbot: Project Unspell: Why doesn't it use the Latin alphabet?
mircea_popescu: "Nobody likes you, generally speaking, and the presumptuous, misguided sort of nonsense I'm responding to here is a prime example of why. Romania is a large country, populated by a lot of distinct Internet users. Comparatively, wikipedia is a small shithole populated by a lot of indistinguishable idiots. Please stop getting into everyone's day."
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck is trolling wikipedia to this insane degree
mircea_popescu: i wish to give him some atc
ThickAsThieves: has he actually taught anyone the language and studied if it isn;t worse for being so stripped down?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: his son
ThickAsThieves: distinctive letters make text easier to scan, no?
asciilifeform: correct
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's more complicated than just that.
mircea_popescu: good simple rulesets also make text easier to scan
mircea_popescu: exceptions tho apparently have their own advantages
mircea_popescu: there's no consensus of what makes a better language, other than edge cases such as ergativity
asciilifeform: there is plenty of data on what makes for a terrible one, though.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
dhenson: regardless of the validity of the investment, that Rockminer IPO was crazy last night... 13 seconds.
mircea_popescu remembers the days of bitvps ipo...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07050001 = 0.3525 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0705 = 0.3525 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00283 = 0.1415 BTC [+]
ozbot: Charlotte Mayor Patrick Cannon arrested on corruption charges | CharlotteObserver.com
benkay: what happened, dhenson?
dhenson: They opened up 3750 shares for a public IPO at noon china time and they all sold in 13 seconds.
dhenson: 15k shares pre-sold in blocks of 2000+ before the public IPO so they sold out before most people had a chance to buy in.
benkay: this is on which sexchange?
dhenson: not an exchange, direct btc deposit to their IPO btc address.
dhenson: direct shares
mircea_popescu: o hey, like the 2012 mpoe ipo
dhenson: I wasn't around for that. In what way, the speed, or the nature of the direct purchase?
dhenson: @benkay here is the results of the 13 second IPO http://rockminer.com/IPODATA.htm
benkay: dhenson: no trading of shares?
benkay: bitcoin-assets: is a lockup like this auto-scam?
dhenson: not yet, they are going to build a UI just for trading their shares.
dhenson: ...ala activemining
benkay: footsteps of giants...
Mats_cd03: brilliant, really
Apocalyptic: <dhenson> not yet, they are going to build a UI just for trading their shares. << classic
benkay: mpoe trades on mpex so mp can manip
benkay: why not asicminer?
benkay: why not rockminer?
mircea_popescu: dhenson in the manner.
ozbot: Sa ne jucam de-a investitiile-n bitcoini. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: it's there.
ThickAsThieves: i personally find the rockminer thing to be rather shady
ThickAsThieves: he's essentially taking over what was supposed to be something AM does, which isnt horrible per se, sure AM wants to sell chips only, but why does he need all that money?
ThickAsThieves: he's been doing this for a while already right?
ThickAsThieves: if he is on the AM board, how is a fair price determined
benkay: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00532656 / 0.00562810 (207 shares, 1.10259731 BTC), 7D: 0.00520780 / 0.00542561 / 0.00567280 (2368 shares, 12.84784637 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555954 / 0.00900001 (49167 shares, 273.34604977 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: bewteen companies
ThickAsThieves: so you buy RM shares and then slowly get your money back via AM divs?
ThickAsThieves: i dont see why theyd sell shares other than to push loss onto the shareholders
mircea_popescu: oh it's one of those ?
ThickAsThieves: is it more than a PMB? is it any less exposed to diff increase than other mining?
dhenson: I agree TaT it seems shady to me as well... especially if AM ends up not mining anymore.
ThickAsThieves: will diff calm down this year?
ThickAsThieves: like AM has been mining of any note anyway...
dhenson: But with new chips... everyone assumed they would.
ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1732 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.3513% in 10d 21h 32m 56s
ThickAsThieves: they would only mine themselves if it were more profitable than selling
dhenson: You'd think mining would be more profitable than $1/GH
ThickAsThieves: that situation only exists if diff growth flatlines right?
ThickAsThieves: i guess exchange rate is important too
dhenson: Makes me wonder if FC is one of the private investors with a portion of the 60k private shares.
ThickAsThieves: if not, other board members are likely to be
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
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benkay: the girl is over her sickness
benkay: the apartment will now get cleaned
benkay: *fist pumps*
Mats_cd03: it is absolutely a money grab
Mats_cd03: the bottom is going to fall out at some point
Mats_cd03: you heard it here first
dhenson: So basically RM+AM = OLD AM?
mircea_popescu: so basically a rehash of the old "pirate pass through" scam
mircea_popescu: trying to push the looming hole on newbie "investors"
mircea_popescu: where's the overlord-padishah-grandking or w/e his name was
Mats_cd03: > padishah_emperor
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00281999 = 0.2284 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07288121 = 1.1661 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2014/02/fail-faster.html It is rare for a startup to admit it isn’t going to work out, and give some cash back to investors. […] A great application of prediction markets is to give better and clearer warnings of upcoming failure, to enable better mitigation, such as quitting.
mircea_popescu: pankkake definitely.
ThickAsThieves: "Male university students in North Korea must get the same haircut as their leader Kim Jong-un, reports say."
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 292609 | Current Difficulty: 5.0068605892054E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 294335 | Next Difficulty In: 1726 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5498440775.59 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.81813
TomServo: Either I forgot how to read a graph or gribble and ozbots' diff stats don't match sipa. What am I doing wrong?
ThickAsThieves: gribble uses strictly data since last change
ThickAsThieves: unless you use ;;estimate
ThickAsThieves: which will also give data based on last 3 days
ThickAsThieves: the differences are all likely in the chosen sample ranges
ThickAsThieves: "TSA recommends airports use armed guards during peak hours"
ThickAsThieves: so much work, just shoot em if youre fed up
mike_c: what, the tsa is going to repel an armed attack on the airport? please.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11620 @ 0.00094474 = 10.9779 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: TomServo nothing matches.
mircea_popescu: mike_c no, but they may accidentally shoot some grannies...
mircea_popescu: i think the us is optimised for involuntary humour these days.
mircea_popescu: "We accept most international and local credit and debit cards as well as PayPal. Flattr use Euro as its base currency, but it doesn’t matter what currency you use, we take care of the exchange."
mircea_popescu: o look at that. there's some sort of fiat competition to bitcoin etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072877 = 0.1458 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: "Circle is one of the first companies built from the ground up to provide financial products for consumers that harness the power of Bitcoin to enable faster transactions, lower costs, greater privacy safeguards and increased protection against fraud and identity theft while enabling more frictionless global economic activity and cross-border transactions. The company’s forthcoming products, which entered limited availability release today,
bitcoinpete: promise to allow consumers and businesses to use digital currency easily, reducing much of the friction and risk that is currently associated with Bitcoin."
bitcoinpete: More VC noise
benkay: "to allow consumers and businesses to use digital currency safe in the knowledge that their governments will be able to know everything about our customers without resorting to thermorectal cryptanalysis."
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete by now i can't separate the "from the ground up" automatism from the earlier linked retards.
bitcoinpete: experience in complying with high-level bureaucrats must count for something
mircea_popescu: if that were true most wikipedia editors would not be unemployed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.046 = 0.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0559 = 0.2795 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00281 = 0.267 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: i thought they wiki authors were retired or semi-retired, like many here
mike_c: who in here is retired?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.046 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i used to be retired
mircea_popescu: but i retired from it.
bitcoinpete: mike_c: surely there are those who don't have to work anymore, but choose to. i call that retired
bitcoinpete: i tried it as well. lasted about 2 weeks
asciilifeform: i think we have multiple 'weight classes' represented here.
bitcoinpete: boredom took hold
mike_c: i don't call running a 1m btc business retired, regardless of motivations.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: well there are at least 4 layers
asciilifeform: perhaps 5 if you count the vagrants
BingoBoingo: Prolly six if you count the people who aspire to be the vagrants
asciilifeform: who aspires to be vagrant?
mircea_popescu: mike_c i spent ~5 years or so in a tropical paradise doing... nothing.
TestingUnoDosTre: Nice... I'm getting bumped up to a vagrant?
thestringpuller: so mircea_popescu you are retired from being retired? so technically that would still make you retired?
mircea_popescu: would it ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno how these nominalist things work.
asciilifeform: 'retired' isn't a weight class.
thestringpuller: you are a retired retiree
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: 5?! that's dedication
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine there must be still more destitute than the vagrants
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: prolly an overstatement, more like 3
bitcoinpete: still lots of time for literature
asciilifeform: ok let's try this. bottom: penniless urchin hounded by creditors. next: penniless urchin, or child, with zero net worth.
the20year3: Got the little cottage rented out, joy
asciilifeform: next: wretch who works a full shift with no internet connection...
mircea_popescu: urchin has creditors ? how ?
asciilifeform: next: lowly engineer (yours truly)
asciilifeform: next: elderly engineer or businessman with serious income, but mortgaged up the gills
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asciilifeform: next: man of leisure, but bound to the land
asciilifeform: next: international man of leisure (mr p)
bitcoinpete: Highlights: 5) Hire people you like and trust >> Sounds like WoT to me. 7) You CAN figure it out – you have the ability.>> Right...
mircea_popescu: spax is not worth 1bn, and she doesn't own it all. wtf.
bitcoinpete: hirarious
mircea_popescu: dude chick's 40 and still running the gauntlet
asciilifeform: 'penniless urchin hounded by creditors' may be an anglo-world only phenomenon
asciilifeform: cross off where not applicable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean like, a dual php/grad student with no assets ?
asciilifeform: (perhaps it should be considered a sub-variety of medieval serf)
TestingUnoDosTre: wait wait wait. How is a lowly engineer below an elderly engineer or businessman that's mortgaged up to the gills
mircea_popescu: i agree, those two also seem reversed.
asciilifeform: the elderly engineer could take his next few salary cheques and run
asciilifeform: theoretically.
mircea_popescu: the kid could run as is
mircea_popescu: much less theoretical.
asciilifeform: if the kid could 'breathe vacuum', he would probably have run already.
mircea_popescu: kids CAN breathe vacuum
mircea_popescu: that they think they can't is what keeps society in order
rithm: i'm so confused right now
mircea_popescu: rithm most notable side effect of this chan
asciilifeform: 'iso-standard' penniless kid typically relies on various social connections (blood relatives, chums) for survival
rithm: true dat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform easier to do in better countries
mircea_popescu: (which in this context means, non-anglo-saxon)
rithm: WHAT IN THE FUCK CAPS LOCK OH shit kids can't breathe in a vaccuum they turn dead
mircea_popescu: metaphorical kids, metaphorical vacuum, metaphorical breathing.
asciilifeform: rithm: understand 'breathe vacuum' as 'steal enough for a plane ticket and move to afghanistan'
rithm: if you had a jar and closed and sucked all of the air out
rithm: and you would call that a vacuum
rithm: but I would say nothing separates the jar
mircea_popescu: rithm if you took the average 16yo and paradroped them naked anywhere in the world,
mircea_popescu: they would live to be 18.
mircea_popescu: if you took the average 60 yo and paradropped them naked anywhere in the world, they would not live to be 65.
rithm: you give them 2 years
rithm: after being naked and alone
rithm: that's too many
asciilifeform: phun phact. every lab that uses mice has glue traps.
mircea_popescu: naked teenagers aren';t alone for long.
TestingUnoDosTre: I thought the quote was because people tend to speak here before thinking...
asciilifeform: and ~100% of dropped mice end in them
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre it's more of a +iq effect. just being here makes one smarter.
rithm: if the teenagers find drugs or soul crushing rules to live by they might make it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture moving an average (male) u.s. suburban kid to... anywhere
rithm: the old people similarly will need drugs to survive
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: just cry like a little bitch for a coupla weeks.
mircea_popescu: byt the time he's 50 however... he can no longer be fine. no matter what.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, i would say heroin addiction is a fine analogue.
asciilifeform: orlov had a neat piece on soviet 50yo middle manager suicides
mircea_popescu: the six months old chipper != the ten year old user.
TestingUnoDosTre: I tried looking for this orlov piece and all I could find is an entire Russian family that runs back 300 years, and some hockey player
asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: cluborlov.blogspot.com
asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: 'post-soviet lessons for post-american century'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05488041 = 0.5488 BTC [-] {4}
TestingUnoDosTre: Is this a better written form of that slide presentation someone posted yesterday?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00094474 = 0.8975 BTC [-]
ozbot: Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century
TestingUnoDosTre: found it, thanks
TestingUnoDosTre: Speaking of oil, anyone know who places that bet about january 15 oil futures?
mircea_popescu: iirc bitbet had sometrhing re wti
TestingUnoDosTre: that's what my question was: do you know who placed it?
benkay: kinda one of the features of bitbet, TestingUnoDosTre
benkay: the po
ozbot: A Business Idea | Chateau Heartiste
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1122 @ 0.00013603 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094474 = 3.779 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that domain is familiar
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: famous in the 'moldbug' set
mircea_popescu: nah i only heard of modlbug... hm. through you i tihnk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2278 @ 0.00013001 = 0.2962 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: to my head he's very recent
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linked to me once, a few years ago, describing as 'the moldbug of computing.' not sure if complement or curse.
asciilifeform: he's one of the folks who write guides for axenic mice on how to emulate having an immune system.
asciilifeform: ;;google manosphere
gribble: Viva La Manosphere! - Now updated hourly: <http://vivalamanosphere.com/>; Manosphere - Return Of Kings: <http://www.returnofkings.com/category/manosphere>; Manosphere | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/manosphere>
mircea_popescu: oh, is this some dood from the pua scene ?
asciilifeform: moldbug isn't exactly recent (circa '07, afaik)
asciilifeform: when he mostly quit writing, his stuff was picked up and 'digested' by various people
asciilifeform: and 'popularized'
mircea_popescu: must be someone i mocked at some point but i don't recall specifics
mircea_popescu: (the heartiste thing i mean)
asciilifeform: it's mockable, but you gotta understand where it came from
asciilifeform: ;;google scanners live in vain
gribble: Scanners Live in Vain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners_Live_in_Vain>; Scanners Live In Vain : Cordwainer Smith : Free Download ...: <https://archive.org/details/ScannersLiveInVain>; Literature/Scanners Live in Vain - Television Tropes & Idioms: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ScannersLiveInVain>
asciilifeform: it's interesting how, after many years of talmudic sophistry, the 'pua' folks arrived at their current technological state of the art: buying a plane ticket out of the u.s.
mircea_popescu: generally mockery is distinct from execution.
mircea_popescu: i don't mock with an intent to murder.
dignork: asciilifeform, btw thank you for refernce to moldbug, his texts are pretty amusing
BingoBoingo: ;;google trilema heartiste
gribble: Ideological Space - Outside in: <http://www.xenosystems.net/ideological-space/>; Is Game Making Women Overconfident? - Roosh V: <http://www.rooshv.com/is-game-making-women-overconfident>; 'Outreach' Open Thread | Handle's Haus: <http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/outreach-open-thread/>
BingoBoingo: I'll dig up the Trilema article
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you sure you read it there ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know you mocked it and linked it.
BingoBoingo: I think it was fall 2013?
mircea_popescu: so i'm not entirely deluded here.
BingoBoingo: Maybe a simple minded psychopath, but damned if you are deluded
moiety: hihi
moiety: that needs photoshopped into something immense
TestingUnoDosTre: what is pua?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04761666 = 0.5714 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: o hey good catch
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre pick up artistry
TestingUnoDosTre: hmph. That's what I got from das google, but thought it somehow didn't fit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00451599 = 0.1355 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5530 @ 0.00094474 = 5.2244 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 153 @ 0.00280924 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 27 @ 0.01637999 = 0.4423 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <davout> bah
kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout ping
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288995 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.002839 = 0.2527 BTC [+]
mike_c: have no fear americans, we're on it. "The facility is one of only two such combat dolphin training centers in the world, the other is run by the US Navy in San Diego."
joecool: BingoBoingo: oh same ones with the knives and pistols attached to their heads?
BingoBoingo: joecool: Does it matter?
joecool: BingoBoingo: well the US lost a bunch with toxic dart guns attached some years back
BingoBoingo: Well, things happen
mircea_popescu: poor dolphins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
qwebirc1010269: asciilifeform that was a good read, but I'm unsure of how quickly this whole US default will occur
moiety: combat dolphins?! sort of useless when they get distracted and go off on year long gang rapes
mircea_popescu: moiety i thought it was the goats with the gang rapes
tg2: dat context
TestingUnoDosTre: yah a year long gang rape? Dolphins copulate in like microseconds
mircea_popescu: afaik dolphins copulate like most other mammals
moiety: no, they group together and imprison a lone female for months at a time, taking it in turns
mircea_popescu: (which is to say, the male merely inserts the penis, and the female milks it)
mircea_popescu: makes rape a tenuous proposition.
moiety: its not the length of time they take, its the length of time they keep doing it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]
tg2: dolphins are the only species to copulate more frequently than your mom.
mircea_popescu: 23yo widower.
nubbins`: wreckhouse area of newfoundland set a wind speed record earlier this evening, 183km/h
tg2: stop you're making fox jealous
mircea_popescu: (mostly for pic of aroused donkey and hilarious copy)
moiety: err who to the goat rape pic?!
tg2: those are some solid english writing skills
moiety: took*
moiety: ffs poor donkey
joecool: mircea_popescu: you ever consider a tabloid-style sister site of trilema? "Writing dumb shit for the masses"
nubbins`: Duffer1 imagine
Duffer1: hehe
joecool: mircea_popescu: stupid people often don't have money though, have to fund it with very invasive ads
mircea_popescu: joecool nah, too much work.
moiety: there's plenty sites that even just collect the shit from other sites of crap anyways
joecool: mircea_popescu: get other people write it?
joecool: *to write
mircea_popescu: well... you do it then ?
tg2: lol using 3rd parties to generate your private key
tg2: solid
tg2: instant-e.com still scaming away
moiety: i'mmaking a completely useless site for my own benefit re my new obsession (blame asciilifeform)
tg2: makes me want to spam online wallet sites and just steal everybodies coins
tg2: like them
joecool: mircea_popescu: too much work, I already have other writers on those sort of projects
tg2: #1 google result for "litecoin online wallet", extended validation SSL cert
tg2: straight up just stealing them lol
tg2: 5 months of "I GOT SCAMMED BY INSTANT-E.COM" threads everywhere
mircea_popescu: moiety what is your new, stan-induced obsession ?
moiety: manuls!
mircea_popescu: tg2 bfl is stillaround...
tg2: can't say i'm mad
tg2: if anything I'm probably jealous
mike_c: joecool: isn't that bitcointalk?
moiety: all i need to make my life complete is a manul + laser pic
tg2: i tracked somebody who said they got scammed, followed the coins, went into a wallet with 17,000 LTC
tg2: for 1 month of transactions
joecool: mike_c: i have some shit standards
tg2: all source transactions were from nov
mircea_popescu: lambo on its way
tg2: dude is in china
tg2: i hunted him down
tg2: clown had his old software site hosted on the same ip before
tg2: threatened to reveal him if he didn't pay me 50ltc bounty
tg2: he did
mircea_popescu: some moar cog drama. kakobrekla ^
mircea_popescu: as far as i recall, about a week before disappearing, nefario froze goat'
mircea_popescu: s "assets" in a rather similar fashion
mircea_popescu: (goat was at the time running the more obviously fraudulent, highest volume shit glbse was listing)
tg2: " Why is the site off line SO OFTEN Huh "
tg2: dat webscale
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05428002 = 0.5428 BTC [-] {3}
tg2: cloudflare pls
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mircea_popescu: check that shit out. i remember the days the counter was... you know... xmas. http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/
BingoBoingo: moiety:
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nubbins`: good ol' havelock
nubbins`: home of the legitimate fund
moiety: BingoBoingo: bahahaha that's epic. i love how they all have that "fuck off" face
B007: tg2: 50 ltc lol
tg2: 2 emails and 20 minutes of sleuthing
tg2: $2700/hr
tg2: if I really wanted to get paid
tg2: I'd have his hosting pulled
tg2: hosting at softlayer like a true cheapskate
B007: what do you do irl
tg2: sleuth
tg2: I am an angel vc
tg2: you?
B007: student
B007: nothing
tg2: cool, keep at it
B007: depends
tg2: build something cool
tg2: post it in here, have it shot down, collect yourself, settle into a career of tech support
tg2: thats the best advice I can give
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2998 @ 0.00280679 = 8.4148 BTC [-] {3}
B007: tech support? im in cs
tg2: spot on
tg2: darkcoin 3x coming in the next 2 weeks
tg2: calling it now
nubbins`: [21:20:18] <B007> tech support? im in cs <<< that's why he said it ;D
kakobrekla: you slanderous soul you mp.
mircea_popescu: tg2 angel vc where ?
kakobrekla: its but a scratch.
tg2: everywhere
tg2: im in montreal
tg2: but I like to spread my seed around
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "it's but a flesh wound"
ozbot: Google Trends
B007: wut
kakobrekla: yea yea
tg2: yeah, darkcoin is not a bad idea right now
tg2: what do you do mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: fun factoid : my rift guild cosnsiting of ~1000 teenagers also somehow magically contains half a dozen of "special agents" in "bruxels"
mircea_popescu: at least if you believe what they say in chat.
mircea_popescu: tg2 i run game guilds.
B007: lel
tg2: better than being a student with nothing to their name
tg2: aye
moiety: mew benkay
mircea_popescu: i have endless piles of platinum, gold and other game currencies
tg2: quite the game
tg2: I hope you're winning at it
B007: he also has endless piles of irl money
B007: in case you didnt know
mircea_popescu: im in it for the social justice aspect.
tg2: not so different from game money
benkay: allo mon manul
benkay: mah?
moiety wonders why there is no manul game; goes to find game dev
benkay: hey mircea_popescu what's the correct posessive there
mircea_popescu: mein mehnuler
mircea_popescu: (allo maman nulle ?)
tg2: mon = french
tg2: mah = black
mircea_popescu: ;;google mon mec a moi, il me port'en voiture
benkay: manul a moi
tg2: my boi, brings me in a car?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62703977 = 3.1352 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i guess nobody is from the 70s.
nubbins`: close, '82
benkay: old men.
tg2: not at that advanced state of age
cazalla: B007: google trends is misleading, add litecoin so you can see the trend relative to another keyword
benkay: old, well-capitalized men.
ozbot: Patricia Kaas - Mon Mec A Moi - YouTube
tg2: darkcoin actually adds some value
tg2: not liek every other shitcoin I've seen in the last 3 months
moiety: and women>> '84
tg2: I think the crypto industry needs to have some kind of consortium that rejects new coins
tg2: 75% premine airdrop garbage wallfecoins
mircea_popescu: and new consortiums
tg2: meta rejection
tg2: who consorts the consortiums
tg2: srsly tho, next time I see a 50% premine shitcoin
tg2: i'm going to lose it
tg2: and I know it wont be that long, thats the sad part
benkay: didn't know you were well capitalized, moiety!
moiety typed before that bit :P
mircea_popescu: she's not well capitulised, merely slow typewrited.
tg2: if you post in the announcements(altcoins) forum of bitcointalk it should just autoban your IP
moiety: never say never! on both counts lol
benkay: practice makes perfect.
tg2: or use some kind of fingerprinting technique like Kount does so you can't even use proxies
B007: you can spoof those
B007: easily
cazalla: tg2: not really about value, it's just that trends is misleading
tg2: sorry, to what are you referring cazalla
cazalla: tg2: "darkcoin actually adds some value" sorry, i thought you were responding to what I said to B007
tg2: no.
tg2: but darkcoin is a coin that does 2 things
moiety: i have a never ending supply of enthusiasm, undecided if this helps/hinders me
tg2: 1: the mining algorithm is power friendly on GPUs
tg2: 2: darksend is an actual feature
blackwhite: evening gents
tg2: its not just a copy of another coin
tg2: not having to trust your coins to a mixer in order to obfusticate transactions is a big deal
tg2: eventually people will catch on
tg2: and it will be popular
tg2: coupled with the fact that mining it uses 1/2 the power and produces 1/2 the heat on graphics cards, and that there are no asics for it
tg2: means it should see some significant upswings when the summer heat settles in in north america
tg2: and scrypt asics become more prolific
tg2: just my 2c
cazalla: seems like more kids with milkcrates and 7950's tbh
tg2: i have $50k in them
tg2: I have 400 gpus mining
B007: that is why you must promote it
tg2: none in milk crates
B007: lolz
tg2: they are up from 70c to 89c just in the last 48 hours
tg2: a nice uptrend as people realize the merit of the coin
B007: remember to post a to the moon thread on 4chan
nubbins` yawns
nubbins`: i'd better buy them all now
tg2: good luck
moiety: B007: the moon is taken, they need to find another planet
nubbins`: i'm going to put in $75k, keep an eye out for the bump
asciilifeform: fuck damn it, i of all people am responsible for infecting people with lolcats.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, "Half the power"
tg2: better yet get started on an i2p version of silk road that runs off of darkcoins
mircea_popescu: half as compared to what.
tg2: compared to mining scrypt or nscrypt
benkay: derp coins?
tg2: you mine darkcoin on your gpu, it uses literally 1/2 the power
benkay: tg2 it's a meaningless number. you can make the block reward whatever you want.
benkay: the "number" of "coins" is arbitrary.
moiety: asciilifeform: entirely, i need them daily now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0009316 = 8.4776 BTC [-]
tg2: benkay - nowhere was amount of coins mentionned
tg2: only price per coin
tg2: which is all I'm concerned with for now
nubbins`: so if it uses half the power
asciilifeform: ;;lolcat
gribble: Error: "lolcat" is not a valid command.
benkay: that fluctuates with market action.
nubbins`: actually, i don't even
tg2: apparently not
moiety: ;; manul
gribble: Error: "manul" is not a valid command.
moiety: gribble, it needs to be
benkay: ;;gettrust tg2
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=tg2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 | Rated since: never
benkay: o ok
tg2: can't has trust
benkay goes back to derpy value deliving
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe ship Manuls with Cardanos as a physical security enchancement?
nubbins`: Manuldanos
moiety: ^ so much yes, i will look after them til shipping
asciilifeform: moiety: phun phact. wash. d.c. zoo has a scale, demarcated in... cats. tells the visitor what species he would make the best meal for.
ozbot: Manuls (Manuls) on Twitter
tg2: lol
tg2: what a fortunate twitter handle
tg2: I wonder if he knows of it's provenance
cazalla: tg2: is darkcoin better than bitcoin?
tg2: answering that would be stupid
tg2: but maybe you can clarify in which categeory you wish to compare
tg2: there are several hundred criteria that you could arbitrarily rate a cryptocurrency on
tg2: it is better at some
moiety: asciilifeform: lol i must look that up. i did find the only way someone would be smiling while holding one http://www.avianexoticpetclinic.com/images/clinic2/PallasCat2.jpg
cazalla: well, i know nothing about it so please share which of those it is
tg2: let me curate a list for you
moiety: well that was the most disappointing twitter link i have ever clicked, thanks
tg2: right after I'm done answering questions on yahoo answers
tg2: is it still cool to link to lmgtfy?
cazalla: do you sell level 2 accounts or something.. perhaps for darkcoin?
tg2: anwyay, read up, if you choose to invest in it, or mine it, I think it has merit as a coin, in stark comparison to every other piece of garbage that was forked in the last 3 months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
cazalla: i'll stick to bitcoin but thanks anyway
tg2: may your ignorance lead you to profit
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: well, is darkcoin better than altcoin ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093878 = 5.0694 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Eh, I've never had any offers for singularity coin.
tg2: it is an altcoin
mircea_popescu: yes, but i mean the altcoin
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
nubbins`: this conversation would be more difficult in a language without articles
tg2: it is the altcoin, maybe I'm not getting what you're trying to imply
mircea_popescu: nubbins` or without words :D
BingoBoingo: tg2: He means Altcoin, the meta altcoin
tg2: that is meta
nubbins`: i've got about $0k in atc
mircea_popescu: still above 100 ?!
mircea_popescu: bam, atc beats all forum investments lol.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed but too close to 100 to do much
nubbins`: guess i should've added some decimals
mircea_popescu: it's been stable for what, 3 months now ?
nubbins`: roughly $0.00k
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so get some derpcoin then, now's your chance
tg2: that is hillarious, you can have fun with that coin.
moiety: manul coin will destroy them all, and enjoy it
nubbins`: manulcoin
nubbins`: would buy
tg2: strong investment
nubbins`: and hodl
mircea_popescu: manuella is, in romanian folklore, the date of all chronic masturbators.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 23 @ 0.10144642 = 2.3333 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: because well... manul is pretty close to the latin root for "hand".
tg2: so who has the funniest idea for a shitcoin
tg2: either created or not
nubbins`: sort of like Palmela
mircea_popescu: that one too
mircea_popescu: not as popular.
dignork: tg2, darkcoin is funny enough
moiety: mircea_popescu: i discoevered this looking for 'manul lasers' - google asks, "did you mean manual lasers?"
nubbins`: actually, i meant "automatic lasers + shipping to canada"
mircea_popescu: "i meant, where is my cousin susie"
nubbins`: dude you know susie from canada!?
moiety: lolol
moiety: i think the only reason people don't make coats out of them is because its hard to skin them when theyve ripped your face off
BingoBoingo: tg2: I might have an altcoin running on an old nokia 5200 series
moiety: "fuck this - back to the chinchillas"
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe they skin them like they peel peanuts, huge mechanical process
BingoBoingo: That might make a nice internet pay per view, Manul vs. 150 chinchillas
moiety: mircea_popescu: you mean monkeys don't deal with monkey nuts?
moiety: lol BingoBoingo is sports betting with manuls already
BingoBoingo: moiety: Nah, the money isn't the betting it is selling admission
moiety: fair point, we need to catch one first though
nubbins`: set out a cardboard box
moiety: LOL
tg2: just put a bunch of keyboards in the wild
tg2: check for key repeat events
moiety: lol
moiety: that cat: fuck you , im in the box
tg2: Sweet cat tree. Looks great from your keyboard.
moiety: i can imagine manuls being like, fuck you internet
tg2: anybody here from montreal?
tg2: Going to startup-drinks to hear people talk about how much they think their ideas are worth for 2 hours while drinking. It's an excercise in tolerance and humility.
benkay: couldn't be nearly as great as dark coin
BingoBoingo: tg2: You realize that happens here too
tg2: BingoBoingo, I haven't had a chance to witness it or partake in it yet
tg2: give me some time
tg2: I'll collect the best ones tonight and shitpost them here after
benkay: no honor in that
benkay: rip 'em to their face.
benkay: make them explain their 'business models'.
tg2: That's what the drinks are for
tg2: I like to ask them repeatedly what their current assetes are
tg2: lol
tg2: over and over
tg2: until they realize they have no assets
benkay: of course they don't they're tech startups
benkay: kinda stupid approach
tg2: then I pitch their idea back to them and ask them for $x ($x being the value they asked)
tg2: as thats pretty much the value of an idea
nubbins`: tg2 are you from montreal originally
tg2: no
tg2: I am just stuck here like a fly on a shit pile
tg2: montreal has increasingly less and less to get interested about
tg2: toronto is happening now
tg2: as far as startups and bubbles go, montreal is pretty boring
tg2: 3 notable startups per year
tg2: 2.8 of them flop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00093283 = 16.3245 BTC [-]
tg2: we have, and you can count them on one hand
tg2: about 4 startups that you may have heard of
tg2: if you follow the startup scene closely
tg2: lol
benkay: isn't there a freelancer billing company up there?
benkay: freshbooks or summat?
tg2: it looks like a template on themeforest
tg2: passwordbox
benkay: startups are responsive templates, tg2
tg2: at our "incubator"
Mats_cd03: nice buzzword placement bros
tg2: there are about 5 teams owrking on a bitcoin payment processor
tg2: lol
tg2: each on their own
tg2: obviously
tg2: we're really giving ycombinator a run for their money
tg2: montreal is home to the biggest porn company online
tg2: that is pretty much our most successful web company
tg2: (and in no way am I underplaying the actual value of that)
tg2: here's a good one, "Delta - the last web startup"
tg2: i wish
tg2: Delta lets people semantically describe the past, present, and future. Based on these descriptions, Delta understand intents and can help you make your wishes become reality, by connecting you to people that offer solutions to your problems.
tg2: holy fuck where do I sign
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: understand intents? have all of the money
tg2: when I get to 100m$ in the bank, I'll choose the shittiest startup I can find
tg2: and make it a success
tg2: as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution
benkay: so hey everyone
benkay: a copyright notice at the bottom of your silly little webapp is all you really need
Mats_cd03: and thats why youre poor tg2
tg2: so poor
benkay: don't get on your developers' case about owning all their ip
benkay: it's bad form and it shows not only that you have no idea what you're going on about, but that you're afraid of things you don't understand
tg2: lol
benkay: just say yes, send us checks when we bill you, and enjoy software free of your own bad decisions
tg2: yeah that copyright symbol
tg2: stands on it's own
tg2: no need for actual IP protection
tg2: just slap that baby on
tg2: ready to raise some capital
benkay: ugh people raising capital
tg2: wow hey there's another gem on here
benkay: if i never work with another brilliant 20 year old again it'll be too soon
tg2: "ZeroGox.com"
tg2: "Hosted MtGox trading bot"
tg2: loll
benkay: old dudes with capital and biz experience only tyvm.
tg2: fortune 500 here we come
tg2: good thing I'm not an old dude, born in the 70's
tg2: I'm the 80's gen
tg2: we just tell people straight up that their idea is worth less than the air they used to expel it from their mouths
benkay: you do contract dev, tg2?
tg2: no I have 20 people working for me here that work on in-house projects
tg2: and I invest in about 2-3 external projects
tg2: I don't do contract development, haven't for years
benkay: and you fell for an altcoin scam?!
tg2: yeah poor me right!
tg2: i put 50 btc into doge when it was 56 satoshis
tg2: which actually brought the price up to 68 satoshis
tg2: sold at 281
Mats_cd03: r u ballin now?
cazalla: much profit
tg2: for 50btc worth
tg2: now i'm sitting on a lot of doge
benkay: well take the p/d elsewhere buddy.
tg2: and I hate doge
tg2: but if I sell it, it will crash doge
tg2: wat do
benkay: uh
benkay: don't derp with altcoins?
Mats_cd03: no dark pools? how bout -otc?
cazalla: sounds like first one to sell winsd
tg2: anyway, gonna get inundated by poor business plans
tg2: gnite
BingoBoingo: Crash Doge? For the lulz?
tg2: sell 90m doge
tg2: see how hard it falls?
tg2: pretty hard
benkay: yeah crash it for teh lulz
tg2: could yeah
tg2: but not much in it for me to do that
tg2: lol
tg2: it was hard enough to offload 50btc worth at 281 and not crash it down
BingoBoingo: tg2: Well you could make some headlines, the press loves the Dogers
tg2: had a 20btc buywall and was just selling to anybody who poked over it for 3 hours
tg2: they sponsored a nascar team
benkay: those illiquid markets
tg2: asking me to help
tg2: i'm like you want me to sponsor a no-name nascar team
tg2: for 1 race
tg2: solid investment champs
BingoBoingo: Maybe set an ask wall at 72 satoshis
tg2: its all about dark
tg2: i wish there was more volume
tg2: anyway, play money - easy come easy go
benkay: you and every other *coiner sitting on a hoard.
tg2: i like to spend my coins
benkay: last night i tried to put a photo onto my iphone
benkay: lolzolozozolollolzozl
moiety: christ, not another drama please - even if the last drama landed us in bitcoinmagazine in the end - i'd like a break.
benkay: what's today's drama moiety?
moiety: tg2: so you hate the fact that you have all this doge... and this led you to think it would be a great idea to get a pile of dark coin? *failing to see the logic here*
moiety: benkay: no i just mean a crash would be lol
benkay: much kek
tg2: i had too much doge
tg2: so i bought darkcoin
tg2: whats not to understand
tg2: which part are you having trouble with
tg2: look closer if you can't see the logic
moiety speaks slowly: the logic behind it
wao-ender: yay startups
moiety: if you hated the first experience so much....
tg2: i hated making money
wao-ender: tg2: top3 startups from montreal
tg2: it was really maddening for me
tg2: i bought 50btc worth because my firend wouldn't shut up about altcoins
tg2: and then it went 6x in like 3 days
tg2: and i was forced to exit with 0 risk and swallow my pride
tg2: i wanted to prove to him that it was a bad idea to buy dogecoins while they were on the decline
tg2: and all altcoins
tg2: but alas, fucking doggers
wao-ender: very rich
moiety wasn't actually looking for a book response //rhetorical questions ftw
tg2: > asks question
tg2: > gets answer
tg2: > answer is satisfactory
tg2: > shitpost that it was rhetorical
moiety: are you on cocaine by any chance tg2?
tg2: > pwhew saved my ass on that one
jadne looks at moiety
moiety: can i help you jadne?
tg2: wao-ender: passwordbox, lagoa
tg2: we had a decent one called 5by
tg2: but they sold for like $2 to stumbleupon
jadne: moiety: i think it is the general consensus that i am beyond help.
tg2: as all startups in this shit hole do
benkay: what's up, jadne?
wao-ender: passwordmanager?
wao-ender: c'mon
wao-ender: so last decade
tg2: yeah thats what i said!
jadne: benkay: nothing? must something "be up"?
tg2: i guess people really want to keep their credentials in somebody elses hands, you can't deny that market demand
tg2: lol
benkay: well you're beyond help, neh? surely there's something afoot.
benkay: perhaps not up or elevated, but afoot or acunt
jadne checks her acunt
jadne: nope
wao-ender: lagoa looks cheesy
benkay: everything kosher down south?
jadne: as far as i can tell. i mean, i havent had a rabbi look.
benkay: it takes more than a look, jadne
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00093878 = 15.0205 BTC [+]
jadne: there doesnt seem to be any shellfish or dairy
benkay: oh the talmud is complex
benkay: requires a professional etc
jadne nods
benkay: moiety: is this one yours?
moiety: not guilty!
benkay: how came ye by -assets, jadne?
jadne: i forget who i was stalking.
jadne: maybe @aantonop
benkay: <-- professional cunstultant
benkay: cuntsultant
benkay: cunt sultan!
jadne: and then it just seemed like a reasonable group of people to spend idle time with
benkay: har the assettes? reasonable?
jadne: ha
jadne: compared to some of the other irc channels i idle in?
jadne: yeah.
BingoBoingo: Is @aantonop ever ehre?
jadne: the drama is un-fucking-believable in some places
jadne: BingoBoingo: not by that nick that i have noticed, no
TestingUnoDosTre: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password?
cazalla: i really hope redban baits andreas next time he is on the podcast
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: that's a good start
moiety: benkay, are you saying im unreasonable? D: *gasp*
benkay: i've yet to meet a reasonable woman :D
moiety: lololol
jadne: truth.
benkay: but it's not all about you, moiety
benkay: sheesh
jadne: heh
moiety: ach weesht you, none of its ever about me :P i need a sarcasm tag
benkay: now now i'm playing along
moiety: ik that ;P
moiety: now where did i put that duct tape....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.0009381 = 21.717 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: oh wow moiety just what are you planning to do with the tape now?
moiety: i can't say, it could be used against me at a later date....
benkay raises just...one...eyebrow.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Go for it
moiety: england's summer falls on a different day to scotland's though
moiety: this could skew my betting
moiety: quite amazed its so high on no
moiety: oh its only 1:1
BingoBoingo: Yeah, just starting bets
benkay: so bitbet is averaging just about 1 accepted bet/day for the past two weeks
ozbot: BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July
BingoBoingo: sounds about right
benkay: this one has some steel behind it:
ozbot: BitBet - Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014
benkay: vastly more than the bitstamp out of business one lolzolzo
TestingUnoDosTre: surprised bitstamp under 500 before may doesnt have more...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00270796 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00283797 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 316 @ 0.00283798 = 0.8968 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: i've been wondering what big texty tattoo i should do
benkay: hex of the genesis block seems appropriate for this chapter in my life
jadne: ha
jadne: that would be kind of cool
jadne: i'd be impressed if you showed me that at a con :)
benkay: moiety: i know you like teh kittehs but check out this gorgeous mutt: http://imgur.com/kGFjsOt
benkay: (and his dong)
TestingUnoDosTre: on his dong8
ozbot: Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: my business partner just found the seed for his electrum wallet
benkay: he's losing his shit
moiety: benkay: he is lovely! what a beautiful colour
TestingUnoDosTre: MP, how do those stock distributions work. Like how long does it take one round to end
benkay: moiety: brindles are beautiful.
benkay: baby doll wants a blue one or a fawn one next
MisterE: boy that Frozen movie was nonsense
moiety: brindle is gorgeous i think
moiety: MisterE: why you watching frozen?!
MisterE: yea the girl looked nice
MisterE: ThickAsThieves told me
moiety: but they sing in it *shudders
moiety: wow was the wikipedia made with permission??
MisterE: dunno i always imdb
TestingUnoDosTre: for example, I'm looking at the S.NSA page, and I see the buy quantities, but was thinking there might be timestamps next to each category.
moiety: no i was ref above lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00616867 = 0.2467 BTC [+] {4}
MisterE: that mutt looks mutty
MisterE: though that is a pretty smart breed iirc
ThickAsThieves: <moiety> MisterE: why you watching frozen?! /// problyno the Frozen you think
jadne: i liked frozen. a lot. :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0554 = 0.277 BTC [+]
moiety: I didn't think you would Disney ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: MisterE, I named many movies that I liked, most better than Frozen
ThickAsThieves: but I do appreciate it nonetheless
mircea_popescu: o look at how famous i am now.
ThickAsThieves: How Famous Are You Now?
MisterE: wow didnt know any of that about mircea_popescu
MisterE: better print it out its up for deletion those nazi editors lol
ThickAsThieves: oh the wiki
MisterE: nice work on the public corruption bit
mircea_popescu: tg2> as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution << you are, of course, late in your reading.
MisterE: yea ThickAsThieves the wiki... and to be fair Frozen was not the worst movie I've ever watched
moiety: i see the 2010 one now
MisterE: mircea_popescu: if BSD was in trouble surely they had plenty of notice, years, that they were going to be in trouble? Why the suddenly, "we're broke and need a lifeline"?
MisterE: yea moiety 2010 and it has a ski lift chair on the front
MisterE: there are other frozen titles
mircea_popescu: MisterE it's complicated, of course.
MisterE: how? either they mismanaged their money or there was a big event?
pankkake: or it's a good way to raise funds
MisterE: heh fair point
pankkake: though nonprofits really like when people subscribe (i.e. donate every month) most people don't
mircea_popescu: MisterE generally speaking, everything that exists has needs. after someone finances them their being financed seems the most natural, easiest thing in the world, and hardly worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: before anyone does, however, no one either wants to or really intends to, and the future looks more like an end.
MisterE: no I know foss projects need ongoing financing
mircea_popescu: way of the world.
TestingUnoDosTre: and hows the lelsSEC scandle proceeding?
mircea_popescu: so yes, they had been wailing for months that they're screwed.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre nothing much really. like one of those 1950s broads, nose up in the air and a lot of hot puff in the head i'm sure.
MisterE: alright, I assume you checked their financial management was sound before funding them
mircea_popescu: as if cocks now suck themselves or something.
MisterE: you're not dummy
MisterE: WTF? where can i get one of them ASAP?
mircea_popescu: so who's jadne ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00093878 = 8.8245 BTC [+]
jadne: mircea_popescu: er
jadne: i have been lurking and contributing infrequently for ... i dunno, weeks or months maybe
jadne: but this evening i find myself alone at home and substantially bored and somebody here said something that caught my attention and i have not subsequently minimized the window
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by now, who even knows who reads the website proceeds.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre:
mircea_popescu: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? << gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourname
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is that a typo I left somewhere?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you were asking about aantonp
MisterE: TestingUnoDosTre: and you can store it in your git
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093493 = 5.0486 BTC [-]
ozbot: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MisterE: did you do that BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Do what?
MisterE: theose fucken nazi editors quick deleted all the pages I strted too
MisterE: the wiki page on MP
mircea_popescu: lol some massive trollage there huh.
BingoBoingo: MP's page isn't deleted, but they are "discussing it"
mircea_popescu: your handiwork ?
MisterE: hah, I wish. Great idea though now you mention it.
BingoBoingo: My only contribution to the thing was: "Keep The footnotes seem to establish sufficient coverage to definitely establish notability worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. Media references to him seem likely to be sustained into the future so long as Bitcoin remains relevant. It should also be noted the the Romanian language sources that mention him do not detract from the notability. He's attracted substantial interest
BingoBoingo: in the Romanian language space in the past and has been gathering a lot of notice in the English language space. Since he doesn't seem to be slowing down on doing big thing or on attracting big headlines, criticism on the basis on notability sounds weak. Mr Wave (Talk - Contribs) 02:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)"
mircea_popescu: jeez look at that, the discussing it page is larger than the actual article.
jadne has an alias for gpg -sear
ozbot: Talk:Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean the second one you linked
pankkake: pretty much every new page on WP gets a deletion page
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, that is them derping about deleting or not.
pankkake: it's like half of the active editors are deleters
mircea_popescu: heh you know what, this mess gives me hope. if wikipedia can be this insanely nutty/bureaucratic/fastidious and survive
mircea_popescu: maybe there is hope for our "stfu and go read for six months" approach to life.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Back in the days of it being library school homework I stealthed in some pages that didn't get the delte flag
TestingUnoDosTre: it's hilarious because there's no real difference between an actual wikipedia talk/discussion and trolling
pankkake: well it wasn't like that before
mircea_popescu: i can't believe they're discussing each other's intentions as a pre-requisite to discussing whether they should be discussing if the thing should be discussed.
mircea_popescu: or w/e it is.
BingoBoingo: Well, ad hominem is effective if fallacious
mircea_popescu: i guess if one provides employees wikipedia links that should count as anticonceptionals under obamacare ?
BingoBoingo: Prolly
mircea_popescu: ah come on, that must be sockpuppetry.
BingoBoingo: Note who suggested deletion of the Taaki article
mircea_popescu: i can't wrap my head around the notion someone seriously considered that thing is an article.
mircea_popescu: waiot and there's a reddit ?!
jadne: mircea_popescu: on wikipedia, it kind of works as an article as it is thoroughly-sourced
jadne: the idea being somebody will come along later with a better grasp of how to fucking wite
jadne: wrrrrrite
mircea_popescu: the taaki thing ?
mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me.
jadne: oh, derp
jadne: disregard me, it hought you were talking about "your" article
jadne: we now return to our regularly scheduled lurking
BingoBoingo: I still can't believe Taaki wanted to self delete on the wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15493 @ 0.00093878 = 14.5445 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: all art is feigning.
benkay: and piracy
BingoBoingo: So is all sport
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre what about stock distributions were you asking ?
TestingUnoDosTre: like S.NSA
mircea_popescu: stock is announced, people put bids in, stock is issued, then it trades.
TestingUnoDosTre: on your page, you list the amount like 100,000 , and the price in BTC, like .00000001
mircea_popescu: you mean on mpex ?
TestingUnoDosTre: but I'm wondering how much time it took for the next round to end
TestingUnoDosTre: stock purchasing, IPO funding
mircea_popescu: there was only one round in s.nsa.
TestingUnoDosTre: What about multiple buy quantities at multiple prices
TestingUnoDosTre: is that not considered multiple rounds?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: Each of the MPEx stocks IPO'd a bit differently. I imagine it is mircea_popescu Still working on a "best" way to do it.
mircea_popescu: that was the announcement
TestingUnoDosTre: that's the page I'm looking at
TestingUnoDosTre: whats with all the data in the top right?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: that was the ipo.
TestingUnoDosTre: errr sorry. Blocks is the word I'm looking for
mircea_popescu: at the top right ? you mean the book ?
mircea_popescu: $depth s.nsa
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.NSA Bids: ['80 @ 0.000111', '100 @ 0.000101', '10000 @ 0.0001', '1957 @ 0.0001', '20000 @ 9.851e-05']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['7241 @ 0.000156', '5000 @ 0.00016', '10000 @ 0.00018', '35600 @ 0.00021', '140000 @ 0.000215']
mircea_popescu: that stuff ?
mircea_popescu: that's the book.
ozbot: Amir Taaki: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!
ozbot: Erotic chat by Skype
TestingUnoDosTre: so all IPO shares were bought at .0001?
mircea_popescu: "these girls are really horny and excited about doing this."
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre well yes.
benkay: just voice chat?
benkay: wackness.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if it was him doing voices ?
mircea_popescu: "Occupationchairman, Bitcoin Consultancy"
mircea_popescu: you remember bitcoin consultancy, i'm sure. the thing which is still liable for bitcoinica loss. you remember bitcoinica, i'm sure. the dry run for the mtgox fiasco.
bitcoinpete: i'm heading out the door and i'll bbl but i just published this:
ozbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | When Bitcoin Met Pete
TestingUnoDosTre: okay so for BitBet, how did you release the shares in blocks?
benkay: bitcoinpete: reminder friday's a day
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre yes.
TestingUnoDosTre: I see the numbers etc
mircea_popescu: as far as i recall bitcoin's most exciting ipo to date.
TestingUnoDosTre: but how did you make sure that one person's bid made it into a block, or did not
BingoBoingo: BitBet is basically Bitcoin's most exciting everything
mircea_popescu: Jan 05 07:38:59 <mircea_popescu>sooo, drumroll!
mircea_popescu: Jan 05 07:38:59 <mircea_popescu>http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
mircea_popescu: sadly public logs don't go that far.
bitcoinpete: benkay: remembered!
mircea_popescu: (jan 2013)
benkay: cya, bitcoinpete
benkay: ;;ud kipping
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kipping | kipping. A form of cheating while doing pull-ups, whereby and individual struggling to do another abruptly jerks the knees upward to provide extra lift and remove ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: kipping
ozbot: dpaste: #1758473
benkay: anduck lolzolzozl
mircea_popescu: meanwhile elsewere in the swamp,
ozbot: Citigroup Fails Fed Stress Test as Goldman, BofA Alter Plans - Bloomberg
BingoBoingo: At least MPEx and MPOE survived the February options stress test
benkay: wait, mpoe survived?!
ozbot: Exclusive: U.S. to require casinos to vet high rollers' funds - sources
BingoBoingo: benkay: Sure, just the bot is on leave
benkay: no, there are no options on sale.
benkay: this is distinct from the bot quoting.
BingoBoingo: benkay: There can be if you write them
benkay: wat rly?
benkay: mircea_popescu: confirm?
benkay: ya I TO JOO
mircea_popescu: not atm anyway. but yes, if you want to mm options we can work it out
benkay: ahahahahahahahahah
benkay: oh my sides
benkay: yeah if you think you can beat mp
benkay: feel free to mm options in btc
benkay: gl kids
BingoBoingo: And MPOE is alive
benkay: the asset by ticker of S.MPOE is alive
benkay: the options emporium, eh
benkay: do forgive my pedantry.
nubbins`: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009316 / 0.00094411 / 0.0009529 (235357 shares, 222.20 BTC), 7D: 0.00080946 / 0.00093157 / 0.00096 (4496923 shares, 4,189.22 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085903 / 0.00096 (30475036 shares, 26,179.27 BTC)
mircea_popescu: benkay you know how many people ask me about random x y z "wall street outfit" that's going to make an options market and whart do i think etc ?
BingoBoingo: The options emporium is open to anyone willing to MM options without shitting themselves
mircea_popescu: and i usually go "sure, why not. send me pictures."
benkay: with no options it ain't much of an emporium, BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: it is now the pimporium.
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm thinking some koans might be relevant.
nubbins`: m-pop
Mats_cd03: somehow share price managed to appreciate *after* options are pulled
benkay: koan me baby
benkay: koan sweetly in my ear
Mats_cd03: can someone explain that?
velly: hey guys
benkay: options were confusing
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 either a) people are insane ; b) there's more afoot than meets the eye ; or c) the options were perceived as more of a risk source than revenue source.
benkay: no confusion -> more easily determined price?
benkay: iono. ask de massah
benkay: hey velly, what's news
BingoBoingo: Student walks into a bookstore mid semester and sees no textbooks on the shelves, asks the manager what kind of bookstore is this. Manager replies, this is the bookstore you need. You just don't need it now.
Mats_cd03: i see
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete i'm not so crazy about your spacing and formatting of irc snippets
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: very airy.
asciilifeform: commented on the wikiwankatron, for what that's worth.
velly: sorry im a bit of a noob, can anyone help me out? What is a good price for s.mpoe and how do I get into it
ozbot: Mind Your Manners: Ocean City To Post ‘No Profanity’ Signs « CBS Baltimore
benkay: oooooooh mircea_popescu fixed his footnote linespacing
benkay: talking all kinds of shit on everyone else's design work nao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0475 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0544001 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the people who had wikipedia accounts ?!
mircea_popescu: check out asciilifeform : ten contributions since 2006.
asciilifeform: i'm not much of a pediwikist, no.
mircea_popescu: previous being a jan 2013 thing on naggum
mircea_popescu: more flattered, i could not be.
asciilifeform: lolmatic
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mircea_popescu: velly it's a good idea to take your time, read, etc.
mircea_popescu: mpoe isn't going anywhere.
velly: ok sounds good
velly: where do I start
mircea_popescu: here. the log is in the topic
mircea_popescu: you can read that backwards, it's enlightening
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had no idea he died 40
mircea_popescu: man sounds ancient.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
velly: the irc log?
asciilifeform: he did. very treatable disease (gastric something or other) left untreated. it was arguably a kind of suicide by self-neglect
mircea_popescu: velly yes
asciilifeform: the man was loaded, left a very well-kept library that was auctioned off. and a cat. was a sort of disillusioned type.
velly: seems a bit dry...
asciilifeform: found dead at his console, i believe.
mircea_popescu: "In 1995, Erik started a journalism watch-group project on the web, campaigning to get a journalist sacked from Aftenposten following the publication of a sensationalist story about how Internet Relay Chat channels were used to trade child pornography."
mircea_popescu: such a waste of champagne
BingoBoingo: Was there something earlier about needing an education experienced person to contribute to a reading list?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes there was.
mircea_popescu: but i gather the consensus was, dump everything on lampelina and then scream at her for it not being right.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I might actually have training and experience in the education field.
mircea_popescu: so in that case maybe put together something ?
BingoBoingo: Lemme GPG and paste the credentials
velly: anything more directly informative? I'm not really sure I want to read through this whole log--- even so far there's a lot of fluff...
asciilifeform: quite possibly, naggum died of regret - for being responsible for 'xml'
mircea_popescu: velly not really. it's like a monk's life, you know ? no way to separate the learning from the toil.
BingoBoingo: velly: Stuff is being worked on.
asciilifeform: he took engineering standards very seriously. very much, almost pathologically, a 'future-oriented' fellow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shameful thing to be responsible for.
TestingUnoDosTre: who are you guys talking about meow?
MisterE velly: a bit of infos here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/
asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: a mr. erik naggum, died in 2009.
velly: thanks guys, I'll have a look into this. I have somewhat of a futures background, but I'd like to make sure I'm well informed before I start on this side of things.
mircea_popescu: velly it may seem preposterous to begin with, but take the word of a stranger in a chatroom :
asciilifeform: lol pediwikia has already proclaimed me a spammer
mircea_popescu: the time you spend reading that stupid fluff will be the best roi of your life.
velly: you're not a stranger :)
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: they can't be fucking serious lmao
velly: but unfortunately I'm not in a position to read long IRC chat logs
Apocalyptic: you don't have to read all of it at once you know
mircea_popescu: " Dem State Senator Who Authored Gun Control Legislation Arrested for Conspiring to Traffic Firearms"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mailed, figuring out this GPG for jpg's thing
velly: it goes on for months
mircea_popescu: i wonder what he is could also having problems for.
mircea_popescu: velly years, actually.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you dun have to proveanything, just do something that works.
velly: not everyone has time for that
velly: seems like there are better sources for the information
velly: I don't want your judgement
velly: I just want to know where to start to inform myself
chetty: the log with the reuters interview would be a good start
velly: how can I even know that the discussion in here is reliable or correct?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I really just wanted to take a picture of the diploma. I spent way too much on it for too little return. Having it in the Dossier at MP intel central at least makes up some of the waste
mircea_popescu: velly you can't.
mircea_popescu: which is part of your problem.
mircea_popescu: chetty i guess, if he were specifically a journalist looking for how to behave in the new, post-fiat world.
velly: so why would I bother reading years of unreliable and irrelevant discussion
BingoBoingo: velly: So that you might in a year know what parts are reliable
mircea_popescu: that you can't figure out that it is reliable and relevant doesn't make it the opposite.
chetty: the interview log has a lot of good links
asciilifeform: answered the 'you are a spammer' fellow, for what that's worth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are probably numerous better uses fdor your time
asciilifeform: surely.
mircea_popescu: among them, making paper out of celophane
mircea_popescu: (it can be done)
velly: I have to go now, lunch break over and have work to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Sadly, not everyone has infinite time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00094468 = 22.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the beauty of life on earth is that no one has infinite time.
mircea_popescu: so it's always a sorting problem.
velly: well reading that IRC log would simply break my np complexity limits :v
mircea_popescu: that's the point :D
mircea_popescu: i think this convo may actually become canonical link-to for future people who have the problem.
asciilifeform: i think the dynamics of pediwikia 'deletionism' are vaguely interesting - the innumerable pages on obscure fictional characters, etc. that stand perfectly firm, and so on. but the topic has been beaten to death elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: not unrelated to "where can i read all about the english language ?" "uh... just pick up a book ?" "what if it sucks ?" "... what do you want from me!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the more fascinating observation, reviewing this bowlfull of guts irc has graciously thrown at me, is just how... innate! the bureaucratic behaviour is.
asciilifeform: the 'beetle type'
mircea_popescu: people derping about evil government have it all wrong. people WANT to spend their time toiling pointlessly, with small tools.
mircea_popescu: where is that lion tamer schetch
ozbot: Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube
mircea_popescu: there we go
asciilifeform: who thrives on 'housing committee' and similar places. takes delight in demolishing orchards, at the owner's expense, for 'violations', and the like.
mircea_popescu: incidentally... anyone seen all about eve ?
asciilifeform: they exist, and are the muscle, bones, of bureaucracy
mircea_popescu: very young monroe,
mircea_popescu: very powerful davis, splendid george sanders
nubbins`: sea of love was good
asciilifeform: 'territorial' behaviour, not even specifically mammalian
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even sure it's that. maybe it is.
mircea_popescu: but it's the pointlessness of the activity that strikes me.
mircea_popescu: consider greenspun's earlier point :
benkay: velly: you don't have to read the whole logs, just sit and lurk and digest
benkay: it'll be great roi, take it from a stranger
mircea_popescu: "This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable boring committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?"
mircea_popescu: his ready answer is that "The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster."
mircea_popescu: but maybe that's only part of the problem.
mircea_popescu: maybe what the real problem is has more to do with lions. as long as we sit put and do nothing, a lot of pointless, small, provably impotent nothing...
mircea_popescu: ... we.... we cant die.
asciilifeform: there is also the undying, zoological enmity of mediocrity to anything colourful, alive.
BingoBoingo: I had a professor like that. Octagenarian stroke survivor.
mircea_popescu: i believe it is fear of death.
BingoBoingo: TA'd for them
asciilifeform: beetle man lives a kind of demo version of death, even alive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23808 @ 0.00094537 = 22.5074 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: he already knows what he sums to - zero
mircea_popescu: don't go up and strike a conversation with the tall woman. why not ? well...
BingoBoingo: They wore basketball shorts and a wifebeater to lecture unless they had higher university business on a particular day
mircea_popescu: it's not the woman that's intimidating, of course. but she looks like the sort of men that'd pursue her might kill you
mircea_popescu: and so with everything else. hoc sunt leones.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wifebeater ?! seriously ?
cazalla: that's like half my wardrobe
nubbins`: ^ heh
cazalla: but i'm aussie so it goes without saying
nubbins`: the other half being a pair of pants?
mircea_popescu: a pinskirt ?
mircea_popescu: wifebeater and pin skirt. now that'd be the outfit.
cazalla: if i said thongs, i guess you couldn't be blamed for thinking pin skirt
moiety: i dont mean to contribute more fluff, but we might have to stage an intervention for asciilifeform; first the lolcats, now internet spam, it'll be reflinks next.... :o
mircea_popescu: moiety and by we i mean you. sick'im girl.
asciilifeform: possible revelance to beetle men discussion:
asciilifeform: ;;google Jonathan Haidt foundations
gribble: Home | moralfoundations.org: <http://www.moralfoundations.org/>; Jonathan Haidt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt>; Moral Foundations Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Foundations_Theory>
asciilifeform: see 'purity'
asciilifeform: (tldr - psychology crackpot who wrote a taxonomy of human motivations)
mircea_popescu: "b) is actually Romanian, and perhaps in some relation to the Romanian Foreign service."
mircea_popescu: wait wait... the plot thickens
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is the coloqualism for a sleeveless undershirt
mircea_popescu: i'm being persecuted in effigy by wikipedia james blond.
moiety: asciilifeform: i demand you hand over all your manul pics, its for your own good.
asciilifeform: moiety: pet the manul (tm)
mircea_popescu: (with a black shoe)
mircea_popescu: http://www.yourmorals.org/ym_dinner_2011.jpg why do people today look like a bunch of dorks
mircea_popescu: no wonder painting is dead as an art. who, or should i say what, to paint ?
mircea_popescu: "1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance."
mircea_popescu: there's no such dislike of pain in others.
mircea_popescu: "2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism."
mircea_popescu: just add global warming and stir.
mircea_popescu: it's a wholly innovative, verily incisive bit of us-science.
BingoBoingo: This is the professor in question who wears gym attire to lecture if anyone is curious http://mypage.siu.edu/geosched/
moiety: MisterE: I fear for a Farmville revival VR style via OR
mircea_popescu: red on blue, always a good choice.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, the writer in question wasn't prescribing 'principles' for people, but tried to catalogue where various anthropological common threads (taboos among savages, etc.) were.
Apocalyptic: moar contrast needed
asciilifeform: admittedly through the lens of, well, whatever he was.
moiety: aww i was hoping for lycra in the link BingoBoingo
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and he catalogued them into "martini" and "gin"
mircea_popescu: wherein of course martini is not a vermouth.
asciilifeform: ;;borges chinese encyclopaedia
gribble: Error: "borges" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: ;;google borges chinese encyclopaedia
gribble: Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Emporium_of_Benevolent_Knowledge>; Borges' Encyclopedia - Multics: <http://www.multicians.org/thvv/borges-animals.html>; Preface to The Order of Things - Serendip: <http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/sci_cult/evolit/s05/prefaceOrderFoucault.pdf>
asciilifeform: imho not entirely useless.
MisterE: ahh yes Bryn Mawr, the consolation prize of Ivy league schools
asciilifeform: MisterE: if it weren't for emmy noether, would anyone ever know of bryn mawr ?
MisterE: also known as a finishing school for Southern hussies on the hunt for financial security
ozbot: [1403.6676] Bitcoin Transaction Malleability and MtGox
mircea_popescu: you say that as if it were a bad thing.
rithm: These jokes are so high brow
mircea_popescu: an earnest hussy looking for a husband'd seem a lot more respectable than a pretentious priss pretending she belongs in tech or government or w/e.
mircea_popescu: punkman1 so are they saying that mtgox made it up ?
punkman1: mircea_popescu: seems like it
MisterE: there's nothing wrong about being up front about the desire for security when selecting a mate
moiety: BingoBoingo: o.o is he actually racist or is jackson butthurt for never being promoted?
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll decline to comment.
benkay: mircea_popescu: except in the us where the notion of a 'wife' in the older than a decade sense is abhorrent to the youth.
BingoBoingo: Oh, so many fucking vircurex notes
BingoBoingo: moiety: Probably a little bit of each, but I had moved on by then
ozbot: Errata Security: We may have witnessed a NSA "Shotgiant" TAO-like action
moiety nods I was thinking this BingoBoingo
MisterE: benkay: most of the world is OK with a 20 years age diff
BingoBoingo: moiety: I've met both of them, but my knowledge of each is insufficient to make a judgment on who is likely more truthful
mircea_popescu: punkman1 well, it was known since t+1second, but it's good someone actually put it in writing, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: benkay one doesn't get too far in life by paying any heed to the youth.
moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm looking forward to part 2 of vircurex btw // yeah theres nothing quite like university staff politics
punkman1: mircea_popescu: they had been gathering data since Jan 2013, transactions looking like malleability-attacks only spiked after the Mtgox press release
punkman1: someone should bug them to release all that data, would be good to have
mircea_popescu: do we know who they are ?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well they were one of the earliest crypto-concerns I had dealt with back in early 2013. I have a lot of notes. // Well I threw up in one or both party's residence at least once
punkman1: Christian Dcker, Roger Wattenhofer, ETH Zurich
punkman1: *Decker
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust chatquack
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04779799 = 0.1912 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05421 = 0.1626 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] {2}
MisterE: I don't believe the malleability bug had much of anything to do with Gox's insolvency
punkman1: "However, while MtGox claimed to have lost 850,000 bitcoins due to malleability attacks, we merely observed a total of 302,000 bitcoins ever being involved in malleability attacks. Of these, only 1,811 bitcoins were in attacks before MtGox stopped users from withdrawing bitcoins. Even more, 78.64% of these attacks were ineffective."
mircea_popescu: Hamburg University of Applied Sciences ?
MisterE: punkman1: where you reading?
punkman1: MisterE: the paper I linked
ozbot: Distributed Computing Group
MisterE scrolls up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00094452 = 6.4227 BTC [-]
ozbot: Americans are skipping the bank: Reconsider that career as a bank teller.
ozbot: Irish banks 'refuse to let Bitcoin firm open account' - Independent.ie
BingoBoingo: What serious Bitcoin firm would want or need a bank account
moiety: thats what i wondred, why are they going to the bank anyways
moiety: also last bit is irrelevant but hilarious "mtgox falling victim..."
mircea_popescu: anyway, this has all been very exciting but i'll have to bid you all a very good morning.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0061 = 0.671 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: sleep well mircea_popescu
MisterE: later famous dude
CheckDavid: How do these exchanges work in terms of the legal framework?
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: Depends on the exchange
MisterE: cowboys and indians
CheckDavid: Do people actually own equity in the businesses legally?
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: yeah. I assume it does for certain
CheckDavid: Can you give some examples?
MisterE: MP owns most of the MPEx chares?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00094593 = 8.8444 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: shares*
BingoBoingo: Well BTC-TC, Buttfunder, and GLBSE as an example had no legal basis or preparation and collapsed once their thingies touched the legal cunt.
CheckDavid: Thingies ?
BingoBoingo: MPEx prepared for legal confrontation well in advance and has on Trilema numerous articles detailing their legal prep.
CheckDavid: They should have practiced safe sex
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: If you aren't prepared to fuck the cunt, you can't rightfully call it a penis, prick, dick, or any rightly adult term.
CheckDavid: I see.
CheckDavid: Very poetical
CheckDavid: I was thinking about funding a business
CheckDavid: A startup
CheckDavid: Not sure about the best option
punkman: CheckDavid: ninjashogun?
CheckDavid: I am not him. But it is related yes
punkman: I mean are you gonna fund him
BingoBoingo: Related in what way?
CheckDavid: No. But I am trying to find a way to.
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: the subject is related
CheckDavid: I an talking about the same business as he wad
BingoBoingo: I dunno that he ever revealed a subject
punkman: "stealth mode"
CheckDavid: Not aware of what he discussed here in the past either
BingoBoingo: A something, hardware. Nothing more specific.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19103 @ 0.00094619 = 18.0751 BTC [+] {3}
CheckDavid: Hardware? It's a web business with no hardware specifics
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