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← 2014-02-03 | 2014-02-05 → ↓
Vexual: play the ace
mike_c: thanks vex. now i am diversified.
ThickAsThieves: "shipping after Feb 8th. AntMiner U1 is an USB miner with 1 BM1380 chip. Rated 1.6 GH/s, 2 watt power from the USB port."
mircea_popescu: lmao diversified.
ThickAsThieves: after Feb 8th, perfect!
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 you fold.
ThickAsThieves: 500 units for 18 btc
Vexual: external power s dont count
Mats_cd03: good answer, you fold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00092714 = 45.6616 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: playing A10 unsuited is bad, i wouldnt even play A10 suited if i was down
Vexual: i assumed the suit was favourable
Mats_cd03: i forget what the odds are on a straight
Mats_cd03: but with a flush if there are 4 out on flop then your chances are 1/3 river+turn
mike_c: really?
Mats_cd03: i read it in a book once
Vexual: gotta look in the eyes
ozbot: Damian & Stephen Marley & Inner Circle - Smoke Gets In My Eyes (original version) - YouTube
Vexual: otherwise play the ace
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 420 @ 0.002984 = 1.2533 BTC [+]
Vexual: poker is raerely won on odds
Mats_cd03: against scrubs, maybe
Vexual: seals fucker?
Mats_cd03: i subscribe to the four levels of poker
Vexual: do tell
Mats_cd03: 1) playing the cards 2) playing the opposition 3) playing what you think the opposition has 4) playing based on what you believe the opposition believes you hold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.04178024 = 3.3424 BTC [-] {8}
Vexual: its more of a cham,pur tho no?
Vexual: le mis?
mike_c: 5) play based on what the opposition believes you believe the opposition believes you hold
Vexual: *le mix?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.02998996 = 1.7994 BTC [+] {6}
ThickAsThieves: 6) Go with your gut
Mats_cd03: too many levels, i'm falling off a bridge into a lake from inside a van
ThickAsThieves: so the USG takes over money transfer via the Post Office?
Mats_cd03: i like that
ThickAsThieves: kill off Western Union
Vexual: ive already told matty im playing every ace, so hes behind
ThickAsThieves: at least then they keep more tx in their purview
ThickAsThieves: dirty up them coins real good
ozbot: Matty B - Fridays - YouTube
Mats_cd03: western union is worse than aids
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02969 = 0.3266 BTC [-]
Vexual: goodles not looking to implelent wu
ThickAsThieves: what the price of tea in china in bitcoin?
Vexual: or do you mean you're not sure if you got it or not?
Vexual: 0.0001 per refil?
mircea_popescu: 7) you are the god of poker so just play whatever you feel like
ThickAsThieves: nah i'm clean
mircea_popescu: and it'll sort out in the end
Vexual: 7 has it
Vexual: yeah wester union is like aids coz you dont know if you got it
Vexual: and otherways not so much
Mats_cd03: no theres no subtext wu just sucks
Vexual: yeah, wait 6 weeks for nothing special
Vexual: a-holes
Mats_cd03: i dont get why it costs so much or takes so long
Mats_cd03: theyre flipping bits and manning retail locations
Mats_cd03: what a genius, hateful business model
ozbot: Jacob Miller - Tenement Yard - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00092763 = 17.5322 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: speed just isnt as profitable for them
ThickAsThieves: of course soon it will be
Vexual: will they start sending bc?
ThickAsThieves: i suspect they se it coming
ThickAsThieves: when their lawyers say ok
Vexual: meanwhile google has already tooled up wallet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.0005 = 0.15 BTC [-]
Vexual: because matercard lawyers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.111 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
Vexual: and satoshi prevails
Vexual: its well clever
Mats_cd03: when 99% of your revenue is from ads, you can do wutever you want
Vexual: knowing what kind of shampoo i use aint no ace
Vexual: for everything else, theres bitcoin
mod6: :]
ThickAsThieves: for the altcoiner who has everything, bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: for the altcoiner who has everything, Altcoin*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18084 @ 0.00092588 = 16.7436 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so does this coingeninator have any hope of existing?
mircea_popescu: you got your work cut out for you.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually, yes
jayk: nope
jayk: ;o
mircea_popescu: ". For many people, Bitcoin is the first time they experienced a paradigm shift in a very long time. It's exciting to have your world rocked, but Bitcoin is not a casting call for paradigm-shifters"
mircea_popescu: dude i love you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00092763 = 3.1539 BTC [+]
Vexual: doeth fridcats trading system exist at all yet?
ThickAsThieves: it exists
ThickAsThieves: i dont really know why they dont implement
ThickAsThieves: i think its a horrible idea
ThickAsThieves: maybe they came to same realization
Vexual: well you would
ThickAsThieves: no, all bias aside for reals
ThickAsThieves: FC doesnt want more customer service
herbijudlestoids: trollsaywhat!
ThickAsThieves: (i assume)
Vexual: yeah
Vexual: whod be a pimp huh?
Namworld: Advertising on BitBet is good. I'd recommend.
mircea_popescu: o srsly ?
Namworld: Why, yes
mircea_popescu: i was just wondering how it works in report footnotes :p
Namworld: footnotes?
ozbot: BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: and with that my dear chitlins i bid you a very good laters!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9216 @ 0.00092588 = 8.5329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12184 @ 0.00092446 = 11.2636 BTC [-]
Vexual: ThickAsThieves, is it on testnet?
ozbot: If you ever used bitinstant in the past, I bet MtGox just locked the funding options on your account
ThickAsThieves: Vexual i dont know
ThickAsThieves: dunno current status
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00092446 = 6.1939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39318 @ 0.00092175 = 36.2414 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 227 @ 0.0005 = 0.1135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29393 @ 0.00092041 = 27.0536 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00092098 = 23.3008 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12299999 = 0.615 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14489999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10232 @ 0.00092098 = 9.4235 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 87083 @ 0.00011979 = 10.4317 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.5691522 = 7.9681 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.54547241 = 15.8187 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14366 @ 0.0009272 = 13.3202 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.148 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00092156 = 8.9852 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.15 = 3.45 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0445 = 0.2225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00092378 = 10.6235 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
kakobrekla: we lost about 100km of 440kV line
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29307 @ 0.00092062 = 26.9806 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5593 @ 0.00091992 = 5.1451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7341 @ 0.00091992 = 6.7531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1937 @ 0.00092309 = 1.788 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26762 @ 0.00092742 = 24.8196 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04549998 = 0.2275 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00092744 = 4.4517 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00092766 = 32.4681 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00469188 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.02969 = 0.5344 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.16572999 = 3.3146 BTC [+] {10}
herbijud1estoids: anyone about
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+]
jurov: hi herbi
herbijud1estoids: whats happening jurov?
herbijud1estoids: seems like youre the only one around this time of night
jurov: lol i'm in cest. just came from lunch
jurov: *er... CET
jurov: gonna have coffee, look around the btcland
herbijud1estoids: in australia there is a website called menulog that allows you to order from local resturaunts (that participate) online...lots of them have deals, my fav one delivered me free dinner tonight :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
jurov: and hen work some... one of these slow days
jurov: yees, smae here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.02969 = 0.6532 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57986674 BTC [+]
jurov: but when one has good restaurant over a corner
jurov: where they serve you menu for 4.35 euro (and they cook well, rarely i have to order something else)
jurov: why bother calling pizza man?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.24310363 = 1.7017 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00092812 = 12.8081 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: yurp way of life, ya know...everything in walking distance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16831 @ 0.0009292 = 15.6394 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5369 @ 0.00092942 = 4.9901 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 45 @ 0.0049 = 0.2205 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 24 @ 0.00500831 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: i used menulog until they fucked me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00092946 = 19.1933 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00595746 = 0.1013 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.04696427 = 0.9862 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5357 @ 0.00092954 = 4.9795 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00092954 = 13.4783 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 22 @ 0.00698568 = 0.1537 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8736 @ 0.00092581 = 8.0879 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 14 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1078 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0825 = 0.165 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00092601 = 15.1866 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0058 = 0.406 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999997 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 14 @ 0.00776871 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: i dont particularly like eating outside
chetty: cooking for yourself = better/safer/cheaper
kakobrekla: i dunno about safer but yeah, better and cheaper
kakobrekla: but i enjoy privacy really, and you normally dont get that eating outside
truffles: nobody cares that u like blood sausauages
davout: blood sausage is awesome and i do care
truffles: orly
jurov: if you like cooking for yourself that's awesome
jurov: i just gave up
kakobrekla: no no
kakobrekla: i like other cooking for me
kakobrekla: others
kakobrekla: just make it in my kitchen
truffles: davout can u make it?
kakobrekla: truffles i slaugthered a pig and drained the blood for those when i was a kid
kakobrekla: also made the sausages (but at a different time)
davout: as in cook it? or actually make it?
kakobrekla: make them
truffles: make the whole thing
davout: ah no
truffles: kako ure such a brute
kakobrekla: you are such pussy
truffles: hehe
truffles: u wouldnt say that standing next to me :D
kakobrekla: you think id have a problem draining your blood?
truffles: ud have to get it 1st
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999999 BTC [+]
truffles: not that pigs just stand there and take it put
truffles: hmm maybe they do nm
kakobrekla: the pig was prolly two or three times your weight
jurov: we did not have pigs, but chicken,and my fav food were dumplings made from fresh chicken blood
kakobrekla: well, i didnt do it alone ofc.
davout: (and half the smell)
jurov: helped to mde them too
truffles: exactly
truffles: it wasnt a solo job
truffles: a human would make more effort
kakobrekla: well i think you make an excellent case study
kakobrekla: come on over
truffles: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16644 @ 0.00092601 = 15.4125 BTC [+]
truffles: if u invite me i might not leave :D
kakobrekla: you defo wont leave.
jurov: we can propose to mircea to put complete pig slaughter into conference program
kakobrekla: yeah like team building excercise
kakobrekla: GET THAT PIG!!
jurov: and only excuse taken would be to swore under the law one's vegetarian
kakobrekla: fuck veggs, they smell bad.
truffles: not the other way around?
kakobrekla: smell vegs, they fuck bad?
truffles: ive heard their parts smell nice
kakobrekla: bout as nice as cows.
kakobrekla: once i went on a trip with some people for bout 10 days
truffles: thats something u could actually do trial for!!
kakobrekla: only later found out they are all veggies
kakobrekla: it was horrible.
truffles: because carrots?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18125 @ 0.00092749 = 16.8108 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: tbh, as long as they cook well, i don't give a fuck. i was on similar such retreats, rainbow family and whatnot
kakobrekla: they were all farting like a motherfuckers
kakobrekla: it also affected me
kakobrekla: i couldnt stand myself
truffles: there are some things id like to try like tofu or certain veggie as meat substitutes
jurov: pffft, a little cereal coffee will do
kakobrekla: or a little meat
kakobrekla: ya know
jurov: i found out i actually fart most from bread
jurov: as long as they cooked veggies and legumes, it was fine
truffles: kako will take notes on that jurov
jurov: on what? the pig slaughter? yes go on, by all means
kakobrekla: the what?
truffles: dietry requirements
kakobrekla: dont ya have better things to do?
truffles: me? no
kakobrekla: so sad.
truffles: i was midway doing "better thing"
jurov: and i haven't even close to some requirements
jurov: cuz i was talking about things i don't give a fuck of, not requirements
jurov: as long as it tastes good i can't be bothered if there's meat or no
truffles: dont u dislike when uve done something, it has updated now u have to refigure out how it works!
truffles: +1 jurov
mircea_popescu: that's like bisexuality. "as long as i feel good i don't care if there's meat or not"
jurov: oh, that' more like pansexuality
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
mircea_popescu: s/meat/manmeat
jurov: truffles and what i have to refigure?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.13585714 = 0.951 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
truffles: i do not u ldo
truffles: its like playing chess again in years
truffles: id like to complete this chess thing asap
truffles: nubbins.........
jurov: good things come to those who wait
BingoBoingo: truffles: play nubbins' yet? Has Namworld?
truffles: i dont know
truffles: if it doesnt happen soon im gonna be like watevz
truffles: rather play speed chess
mircea_popescu: strictly an artefact of the flat national state. does not exist in sane environments.
mircea_popescu: and it is fundamentally not a scam, but an example of structure ATTACKING flatness.
truffles: is that your manual mp?
truffles: must be juicy read
mircea_popescu: structure is being reconstructed, which at the very far edge of course looks quite immoral. everything does. the civilising of barbarians, be they africans or 5 year olds, the birth of capitaism,
mircea_popescu: all attacks of a complex, superior system upon a primitive look like rape. in a sense they are.
mircea_popescu: in that sense, rape is the best thing that can ever happen to the victim.
truffles: sigh
mircea_popescu: converse attacks, where flatness attacks structure, can't even exist.
kakobrekla: hahahhahaha
kakobrekla: what the fuck
mircea_popescu: ThickerThanThiev ^
kakobrekla: Dear Crypto Street Customers,
kakobrekla: This is the final notice for you to withdraw any funds that you may have remaining on Crypto Street. Effective February 28th, all remaining funds will be lost forever and donated away. So please login and withdraw any coins in your account. Big news is coming, but for now we need to take care of these house keeping details.
kakobrekla: Sincerely,
kakobrekla: Shamoon
mircea_popescu: you had funds on cryptostreet ?!
kakobrekla: sometimes i think you dont know me any more
truffles: everything must go
kakobrekla: ofc i did not
kakobrekla: i was however bashing them on the forums
kakobrekla: when they lauched
kakobrekla: and was the slanderous soul
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC
kakobrekla: HOW DARE YOU KAKO !!
mircea_popescu: it's prolly your fault they did it.
kakobrekla: whats important is that im the bad guy
kakobrekla: everywhere and always
jurov: you should have silenced them with boobs, like mpoe does
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00092566 = 27.2144 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: jurov indeed. being in the minority always helps.
mircea_popescu: (on the internet i mean)
kakobrekla: latest from slovenia zoo: lynx ate a chamois
mircea_popescu: wait why !?
kakobrekla: cause fense got torn down
kakobrekla: falling trees
mircea_popescu: i wonder how hungry a lynx has to get before it eats the chamois
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: they said they gave them more than normal amts of food
kakobrekla: in order to prevent such things
mircea_popescu: does look kinda juicy...
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/ << i can't believe there's like 4 btc bet on who will be the president of slovakia
ozbot: BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia
mircea_popescu: watch that by 2016 the us pres election fails to gather that much attention.
jurov: this is how boob silencing is done irl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAdNS_vlBhA#t=2075
mircea_popescu: and it will be one of the funniest things in the entire history of btc / the century.
mircea_popescu: jurov couple old boobs keep talkin at each other ?
jurov: wait 10sec
mircea_popescu: ofeljie...
mircea_popescu: that sounds EXACTLY like o felie, which in romanian means "one loaf"
mircea_popescu: ahaha next scene
mircea_popescu: why the fuck has miss bdsm got 3 watches on ?
jurov: it was 1990s
mircea_popescu: so what, she's a psychotic prostitute you gotta pay in watches ?
mircea_popescu: one per number ?
jurov: dunno.. cezch film, you know,
davout: her teeth...
mircea_popescu: davout it's clearly paint.
mircea_popescu: i like how there's all the shitty halfcountries represented here. romania but no hungary, slovakia but no czech, slovenia but no croatia etc.
kakobrekla: its the croatia that is the half county
kakobrekla: for the rest, i dont care.
mircea_popescu: my sarcasm! ehehehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.0009302 = 37.301 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: if teh other romanians find out i said that about hungary ima have protests at the front door
mircea_popescu: course, what do tghey know of btc anyway.
jurov: ukraine needs to split too, we'll get more ppl here
mircea_popescu: maybe there's a guy from transnistria going "he-he-he" in his head right now.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ozbot: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
mircea_popescu: wait, still with this ?!
mircea_popescu: who was that dude going on about how art should be tyrant and there should be no memory ?
davout: pankkake: LOL
mircea_popescu: cause srsly, he's like the gold bugs : all his life preaching, now we're doing it and somehow he doesn't know about it.
mircea_popescu: "If you don't think these are a steal you haven't researched the company.
mircea_popescu: This price values us at a meagre 12 million USD for the entire 25mill shares."
mircea_popescu: so much win.
pankkake: getting logged as another user is actually a common bug, usually bad session rng
mircea_popescu: guy never saw a 10k bundle in his life, "meagre 12mn"
ozbot: Footage released of Guardian editors destroying Snowden hard drives | UK news | theguardian.com
kakobrekla: drill the gpu
mircea_popescu: welcome to the internet kakobrekla. glad you got your power back. skip 3 days of "news" nao :D
pankkake: no backups?
Duffer1: if he's not a sock for ken himself then i get to look forward to commiserating with another scam victim
kakobrekla: im going back dark mp
mircea_popescu: how come ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he sounds too stupid to ever admit it
kakobrekla: well the word is they will START to fix my area on SUNDAY
mircea_popescu: odds are he'll dump more of his meagre 0.000001 million on some other scammer.
kakobrekla: until then my house is powerless
Duffer1: you're not wrong
mircea_popescu: dude, seriously, come here. what's the big deal ? rent a place for a month, then go back.
kakobrekla: now im at another place in ljubljana
mircea_popescu: life is all about cheating.
mircea_popescu: ok, so they losing power too ?
kakobrekla: no, all is ok here, but i need to go back home to take care of some stuff
mircea_popescu: fuck the stuff, who cares. it's just stuff.
ozbot: George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - YouTube
kakobrekla: well, the lifes of people are invovled
kakobrekla: lives
kakobrekla: then ill come back here
kakobrekla: either today late or tomorrow
kakobrekla: until sunday or something.
mircea_popescu: seriously look at 1 month sort of arrangements now.
mircea_popescu: you're better off wasting 0.2 BTC worth of rents
mircea_popescu: than having to patchwork twice every week
kakobrekla: the money is not the problem
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0475 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00092526 = 18.9678 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >Discuss Ponzi.io with fellow investors
kakobrekla: investors.
davout: hah
pankkake: it's honest and transparent
davout: i can't recall the name of the site that did the exact same thing in 2010
davout: MAYBE I GOT A PAYOUT !
davout: wait
davout: what we need is a provably fair ponzi
davout: oh wait
pankkake: it already is, I think
davout: yes
davout: i didn't realize the addy was static
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise static addies were usable or useful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0009296 = 11.7594 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: looks like farting position
davout: doesn't look like they're resending from the same address tho
mircea_popescu: hahaha farting position
kakobrekla: 14:43.58 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM <RaTTuS|BIG> [11:52] <BitCoroner> MagicalTux: why can't we see the raw transactions anymore on https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/bitcoin_tx.php ?
kakobrekla: 14:43.59 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM <RaTTuS|BIG> [11:53] <@MagicalTux> BitCoroner, because phantomcircuit found a security issue with showing this
mircea_popescu: i didn't know girls farted.
kakobrekla: konspiraci
mircea_popescu: lol wait. wut !? phantomcircuit FINDS security holes ?
mircea_popescu: i thought he just makes them
davout: mircea_popescu: they usually start a couple weeks after marriage
kakobrekla: at this point i think phantom has all gox btc
mircea_popescu: davout i once heard anal sex momentarily paralyzes the colon. so if you do her in the pooper three times a month...
mircea_popescu: no farting.
davout: heh
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's a great move, seeing how well he handled bitcoinica. the only reasonable explanation, being, of course, that "all mtgox btc" = ~18.5 ALT
kakobrekla: the refunded the broken txes but now the success rate of making a withdrawal is even lower, down to 25%
kakobrekla: they*
kakobrekla: just what im hearing
mircea_popescu: (i wonder how many people noticed the general pattern where people start doing deals with known scammers putting them in a fiduciary capacity as they're preparing to plausibly-deniably close up shop)
Duffer1: more about ActM - turns out trading for shares is open, on Crypto-Trade, but only one person has shares to sell, Ken, 200,000 at .0005
Duffer1: everyone is being kept waiting while he dumps
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 d'oh.
mircea_popescu: much competition for mpex such wow etc.
Duffer1: hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.24310363 = 1.9448 BTC
mircea_popescu: fun fact : mtgox is pretty much the last remaining thing since the days before mpoe/mpex iirc.
kakobrekla: fun fact: bitstamp is getting sold
Duffer1: who bought? panama fund?
mircea_popescu: who's buying ?
kakobrekla: i dont know who since even this fact that its being sold was leaked but i do know the supposed date
jurov: inb4 nejc bought private jet
jurov: i hope he won't sell it to panama :D
BingoBoingo: Prolly sold BitStamp to jimmothy
Duffer1: ah jimmothy
Duffer1: i have taken to trolling him via haiku, i hope he keeps posting, i have more
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he's really a poster child of 2013 retardation. i've had his history reviewed, he's pretty much all about all the wrong choices.
mircea_popescu: funny how people manage this, it fascinates me.
mircea_popescu: total dividend asicminer may still be paying ? "Just based off last years profit maybe another 200k btc"
Duffer1: o.0
ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
mircea_popescu: "Hoping colored coins takes off. I've heard mastercoin has a few cool features but that doesn't matter if its centralized."
mircea_popescu: it's just a brainfuckfest with him, i wish i understood how is it that people can never, absolutely never, no matter what happens make all the right choices,
mircea_popescu: yet about 1/3 of the population regularly makes all the wrong choices.
mircea_popescu: not most. all.
kakobrekla: inb4 NiggerCoin
mircea_popescu: this sounds like it shouldn't happen, statistically.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10557 @ 0.00092526 = 9.768 BTC [-]
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
pankkake: you're just trying to get banned while you can't internets
kakobrekla: speaking of, im outtahere
kakobrekla: later dudes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11568 @ 0.000925 = 10.7004 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: $50?!
mircea_popescu: well how much do you think it is.
davout: yeah that sounded cheap
pankkake: if I was her brother I'd be mad too, she can't sell herself properly
mircea_popescu: you seriously think going rate for avg junior hs tail is > $50 ?!
BingoBoingo: Maybe she figures she can gross more by bringing in volume?
pankkake: wouldn't underage at least provide a premium?
davout: why you gonna arbitrage it?
mircea_popescu: pankkake no. she doesn't know the buz.
mircea_popescu: but srsly, i think bitcoin has fucked with your heads to the degree you have no idea what work money commands.
mircea_popescu: $50 is a WEEK worth of bussing/dishwashing for the average mexican yo.
mircea_popescu: she gets it in half an hour.
mircea_popescu: in any major town there are literally hundreds of thousands of women under 30 living in places paid-for by the government, getting free food.
mircea_popescu: you think they click on lolpics all day liek teh boys ?!
BingoBoingo: Point taken
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.000129 = 0.4515 BTC [+]
herbijud1estoids: so i have enough datapoints (assuming the ddos didnt disrupt my timeseries too much -- looks like it didnt) for a simple mean reversion model which works well in markets without market-makers/specialists/HFT bots
herbijud1estoids: anyone wanna see?
herbijud1estoids: http://imgur.com/Io3BDJG data isnt fresh (from ~12h ago) but the idea is buy MPOE below 50 and sell above
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
herbijud1estoids: if there was options you could build a synthetic short
herbijud1estoids: i dont have enough datapoints yet to build the accompanying regime filter which tells you when market conditions are good or not for this model
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0009211 = 12.3427 BTC [-] {2}
herbijud1estoids: but it looks like the trading is so 'pure' that it might not be necessary :P
KRS-: ,bait
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herbijud1estoids: nobody care :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00091992 = 7.2674 BTC [-]
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herbijud1estoids: also mircea_popescu i tried to query do a STAT with pympex but it didnt work, said i need to sign the key (which i obviously did), are you *sure* i dont need an account to run the queries?
davout: you need an account to stat
ThickAsThieves: stat tells you whats in your account, sooooo
herbijud1estoids: and stat is the only command that gives you the trade histories, right?
davout: it gives you yours
ThickAsThieves: kako sells data feed access
herbijud1estoids: he told me it was from 2012
ThickAsThieves: i mean live
mircea_popescu: you can get the mkt depth and vwap feeds w/o any account
mircea_popescu: $vwap X.EUR
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00166971 high: 0.00170089 low: 0.00166114 volume: 3200 btc: 5.343075 30 day: average: 0.00178882 high: 0.002 low: 0.0016245 volume: 21739 btc: 38.88705537
mircea_popescu: $depth X.EUR
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['1200 @ 0.00166251', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846', '1000 @ 0.001', '100000 @ 0.0009945']
mircea_popescu: same thing the bot gets.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1061 @ 0.00168488', '2200 @ 0.001773', '1350 @ 0.0019975']
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dunno, do i count ?
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids 50 what, 50k satoshi ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00092056 = 1.3348 BTC [+]
herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: no as in when the model is reporting a number below 50 you buy at market and when it goes above 50 you sell at market
mircea_popescu: a a yes i see.
herbijud1estoids: MPOE is probly the only stock in the world valued at its current value that you could do this on the microstructure without living in the exchange...how interesting is that!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves an "only your orgasm shrieks can unlock this wallet" would be moar better.
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids bitcoin revolutionizes finance, if well implemented by people with a clue you say ?
mircea_popescu: fuck me, i'm like shocked.
herbijud1estoids: well, i dunno if it will last obviously
herbijud1estoids: but for now its the case
herbijud1estoids: at some point someone will come in and trade this with volume until the returns are close to cost of capital
mircea_popescu: me either, but still.
mircea_popescu: what is "cost of capital" ?
jurov: herbijud1estoids: wait till you want to start actually talking to mpex's congenial interface
jurov: or savy yourself the suffering and talk to me first ;)
herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: different for different investors, but basically whatever it cost you :P
herbijud1estoids: if you think you have an edge and borrow a million dollars at 3% to implement an algo that trades this, then obviously your cost of capital is 3%+R&D
ThickAsThieves: reminds me of a question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1648 @ 0.00012 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: in Kelly criterion, what do you do given infinite EV propositions?
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids my point being that we have a serious problem in this space with that (and other) basic numbers.
herbijud1estoids: jurov: i really dont have the time to push this much further than i already am with work and other projects but if i get motivated and time i will definitely appreciate any help
mircea_popescu: according to mpbor it's something crazy like 1k% a year.
mircea_popescu: according to discounted future cash flow approach it's maybe 0.01% a year.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: With a time machine
mircea_popescu: accorfding to the largest stock in the marketplace it's more like 0.5 - 0.2% a year
herbijud1estoids: ThickAsThieves: i would check the model to make sure its not broken and if not probly trade on a volatility adjusted level...i like ~15%/pa STDDEV
mircea_popescu: that sort of divergenge can only be interpreted to mean there's turbulence.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves in the universe in which the kelly criterion is meaningful, infinite ev is not possible.
mircea_popescu: otherwise in practical terms his heuristic sounds reasonable,
mircea_popescu: subject to parameter adjustment for your own convenience.
herbijud1estoids: MPBOR...the MP bank offered rate?
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids yeah.
herbijud1estoids: wheres it listed i cant see it
mircea_popescu: cause of the way the bondbod is financed, you familiar with that ?
mircea_popescu: published each month with the s.mpoe reports.
herbijud1estoids: also its 2am here and i might be more retarded than normal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
herbijud1estoids: cost of capital isnt necessarily reflected by MPBOR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11707 @ 0.00092043 = 10.7755 BTC [-] {2}
herbijud1estoids: like i said, if i borrow a million for the endeavour of trading mean reversion model on MPOE at 3%, then my returns are only dependent on MPBOR in the sense that MPOE is the business handling MPBOR
herbijud1estoids: million USD, for example
herbijud1estoids: the twitter feed is fucking gold. i will learn how to pull data from it tomorrow and see if i can make some interesting graphs
herbijud1estoids: maybe just httrack and grep/awk could be sufficient
herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: do you have a formal education in finance of any sort?
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids sadly it meanwhile got canned "for spam"
mircea_popescu: but you can use the rss.
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids no. i have a personal education in finance.
herbijud1estoids: hope someone has congratulated you on the awesome thing you built and if not, congrats
mircea_popescu: ty. it does happen occasionally.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00298072 = 1.1923 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: as a rule tho, people lack the intellectual sophistication to have and use the tools to discern it, and then the time to do so.
herbijud1estoids: i only looked at pympex today and when i was reading the FAQ about "SPLIT" i thought goddamn genius
mircea_popescu: so for all practical purposes, allow me to welcome you into the church of mpex scientology.
mircea_popescu: you know ppl sort-of bitched at me about it, and i think they still don't think it's right but mostly take my word for it.
herbijud1estoids: seems right to me
herbijud1estoids: anyway i should really bed. was supposed to wake up early and hassle some engineers in san fran but i got distracted watching boogie nights
mircea_popescu: anyway. i do believe it's more about what it'll hopefully blossom into than what it is yet.
mircea_popescu: jus' needs some time to accrete people.
mircea_popescu: did you like that ?!
herbijud1estoids: i watched it cos hoffman died and it was his first movie
mircea_popescu: i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing.
herbijud1estoids: never seen it before, some of the scenes at the start i thought was amazing...like the first time the guy catches his wife cheating on him
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: man's best performance is flawless, no dispute possible.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 19 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {3}
herbijud1estoids: my fav movie with him in it is charlie wilsons war, but i guess its a subject matter thing
herbijud1estoids: i think rambo4 and charlie wilsons war should be mandatory viewing for all american citizens :P
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing. --- mme too
mircea_popescu: why not "some came running" and "cat on a hot tin roof"
herbijud1estoids: rambo4? back when the taliban were the "brave and fearless men and women of afghanistan fighting for their freedom" to which the movie was dedicated
herbijud1estoids: havent you seen it man! omg...rambo takes the game right to those pesky commie bastards!
ThickAsThieves: "Or in other words, while the sauce for the goose works just fine for the gander, this point is well wasted on vegetarians : the stuff they eat doesn’t even have gender." << Cuz we mostly eat the gendery parts!
herbijud1estoids: how dare they invade afghanistan!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves interestingly enough that's true huh
mircea_popescu: who knew vegans are dedicated to a strict regimen of gonads.
herbijud1estoids: oh shit thats the wrong one, its rambo3!
ozbot: Can vegans stomach the unpalatable truth about quinoa? | Joanna Blythman | Comment is free | thegua
herbijud1estoids: troll teh hippiez
herbijud1estoids: that came out today, obviously a moron funded by the cow council or something, but great to rile up the vegans with
mircea_popescu: the cow council lol.
mircea_popescu: their hq is in the diablo cow level.
mircea_popescu: worst guy among them is beefenstick frozenfist.
herbijud1estoids: dude i am not gonna sit here and try and come up with a more evil cow related name than that
ThickAsThieves: it makes no sense
jcpham: beefenstick frozenfist winner winner
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves rakanishu.
mircea_popescu: wait wait, the author's name is joanna blythe man ?! this is trolling, right ?
mircea_popescu: joanna blythe-man on crop blights.
ThickAsThieves: "Joanna Blythman is an food writer, investigative journalist and broadcaster"
mircea_popescu: if only it said bloadcaster ill.
mircea_popescu: also this entire convo has to be bashed somehow
ThickAsThieves: that's what trilema is for, to bash the unbashable
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: besides, there's a nice flattery bit at the top huh. aite, brb.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00092377 = 27.2974 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999969 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Exactly! I want to buy a pizza with 10k ATC and regret it later. I'm even willing to throw away a fraction of a Bitcoin (and regret that later too) for the experience."
ThickAsThieves: this may cause a black hole
ThickAsThieves: good thing they are no longer black
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1660 @ 0.00012001 = 0.1992 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: are they pinky-flesh in color ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00092647 = 8.6625 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Hawking says they are grey now
ozbot: Stephen Hawking shakes up theory (again): Black holes are actually gray - NBC News.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19193 @ 0.00091992 = 17.656 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell herbijud1estoids no fucken way hoffman's first thing is that 1997 atrocityu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists
nubbins`: well what is "black", really
nubbins`: i advance that nothing in your line of sight is black
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists << SCAM
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hoffman's first part seems to have been as random disposable criminal in Law and Order
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no way dude he woked all through the 90s
mircea_popescu: bit parts mostly, but i'm sure his debut must be like 1990 or something
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Law and order started in 1990
nubbins`: i thought hoffman died in 89
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999958 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a ? i thought it was a mid 90s thing
ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> well what is "black", really <<< something about dark matter and absence of light, still sorting it all out i think
mircea_popescu: CERN scientits announce : holes to be black in two weeks!
mircea_popescu: atm still brown.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, it's all a continuum, tbf
ThickAsThieves: when i was young, men were women, and holes were black!
nubbins`: for most purposes, you can be lax with the definition
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999959 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "and now here i am, surrounded by all this brown shit"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5699996 = 2.85 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: spider sense tingling, bitcoin drama levels feel too depleted
ThickAsThieves: time for a fork maybe?
gribble: Time since last block: 25 minutes and 56 seconds
ozbot: Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins.
nubbins`: triple facepalm
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Late 90's was when the flood of spinoffs started
nubbins`: "Hay guise I have an Idea™"
ThickAsThieves: regulate the regulators!
nubbins`: "Normally I'd ask for a share of the profits but this time it's free"
mircea_popescu: im surprised it's not "redistribute the fbi coins"
nubbins`: there ya go
mircea_popescu: she lives to serve.
nubbins`: "We all just need to agree to craft a bogus block where the FBI coins get sent to 1BitcoinEater"
mircea_popescu: grasp of bitcoin basics under 1/9000
ThickAsThieves: why is the link particular to me?
nubbins`: "The Fed's stole those coins."
nubbins`: hmmm
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves weren't you asking for drama ?
ThickAsThieves: not good enough
ThickAsThieves: high drama
mircea_popescu: well dude what you want.
nubbins`: not sure if he means "The Feds stole those coins." or "The Fed's stolen those coins."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he means "fjkhkj45hkj45ngvdfzgh9853 jyjx"
pankkake: wait kraken lost 600 btc?
nubbins`: turns out he's just a cat that's looking for a warm place to nap
pankkake: that's like their yearly volume
mircea_popescu: pankkake you don't say.
nubbins`: they didn't lose them, some guy put a QR code sticker on top of theirs
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wait wut ?
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how often we'll hear of that hack again
nubbins`: lel j/k
mircea_popescu: afaik they botched the entire receiving address thing, now they don;'t know who sent them btc.
nubbins`: i was reading a thread yesterday about this guy who ate at a restaurant that accepts btc
mircea_popescu: top the tune of AT LEAST 600 btc, beingone addy we know about
nubbins`: somebody put a sticker over the QR code by the cash
mircea_popescu: they're lieing about it, so clearly it's not the only one, nor they can cover.
nubbins`: poor diner was asked to pay twice
nubbins`: "new scam to be aware of"
ThickAsThieves: maybe we'll get a bitcoin robin hood
nubbins`: pretty sure the whole story was upvote-bait
ThickAsThieves: swapping QR codes around the world
nubbins`: especially considering the diner agreed to PAY HALF AGAIN
nubbins`: y'know, a thing that people would do after it's obvious to all parties that a ripoff occurred
nubbins`: anyway, i bellowed laughter at this:
nubbins`: "One of the officers even said "why didn't you just pay with real money?""
ThickAsThieves: well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening!
nubbins`: ^^^^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 950 @ 0.00011202 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
nubbins`: qr code taped to reg makes about as much sense as a bucket full of cash and coins placed on the counter
nubbins`: "just dump your payment in here"
ThickAsThieves: but it works with tip jars and leaving cash on table/bar
nubbins`: "we'll probably figure it out"
nubbins`: tip jars, sure
nubbins`: nobody cares how much you tipped
ThickAsThieves: many leave cash on table and leave
nubbins`: then server has mild panic
nubbins`: drops what they're doing and runs to table
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00092213 = 6.2705 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i guess a better analogy would be
nubbins`: that the bucket is hidden from the cashier's view
Mats_cd03: Meow
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening! <<< sorta like the self-hitting pedestrians.
nubbins`: "the car came outta nowhere"
ThickAsThieves: times they are a changing
ozbot: Update - Statement Regarding BTC Withdrawal Delays : Support Desk
ThickAsThieves: "we are currently experiencing a problem where some bitcoin withdrawals are not being transferred correctly"
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> drops what they're doing and runs to table <<< i usually just dump the money on the table if the girl fed me or on the nightstand if she fucked me.
ThickAsThieves: "Those transactions have now been returned to customer accounts in full"
mircea_popescu: in neither case is there a run.
ThickAsThieves: "This problem applies primarily to larger transactions, so we appreciate your patience as we fix the issue. "
TomServo: He considered Gox to be a safer repository for bitcoin than his own probably-hackable computer. That judgment may not have been accurate.
TomServo: Oh my.
mircea_popescu: "we're scamming, and we hope people we fucked foir a lot of money are like idiots and everything"
TomServo: Maaaaybe not. Still uncertain.
nubbins`: i actually signed up for an account on kraken after reading all this
mircea_popescu: but tbh, they deserve the reaming. if they missed april they can't be helped anymore.
mircea_popescu: every douche figures himself a bright mind, well...
ozbot: BBC News - Self-updating Bitcoin price tag shown off in east London
ThickAsThieves: will they make inflating USD ones?
ThickAsThieves: act fast!
ThickAsThieves: maybe this can get rid of cashiers altogether
nubbins`: re: a ton of media logos
ThickAsThieves: you pay the little ink box
ThickAsThieves: it unlocks
ThickAsThieves: cant leave store with merch and inkboxes
nubbins`: you guys don't have self-checkouts yet?
nubbins`: i personally fuckin hate 'em
ThickAsThieves: at groceries
ThickAsThieves: i only use them if no one is around
ozbot: This is what Trilema is for, I’m told. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: taking bets on whether it includes tits.
nubbins`: know who's faster at checking out your groceries? the person who does it for a living.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
nubbins`: self-checkouts are a trick
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.1306 = 0.653 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: "maybe it'll be faster"
mircea_popescu: i kinda prefer farmer markets tho. who buys groceries in a store ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think i have this decade.
nubbins`: next thing you know, PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. and there's a fuckin cashier helping you out anyway
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there's a few farmer's markets around here but a grocery store within walking distance
mircea_popescu: i got access to engines and shit
nubbins`: oh sure, me too, but why drive when you can walk?
mircea_popescu: i got a driver, he can take the groceries back and i can carry on in town
nubbins`: plus newfoundland produces only about 10% of its own food supply, so farmer's markets aren't a general solution
mircea_popescu: what we did last time
mircea_popescu: a that's a problem
nubbins`: it sure is.
mircea_popescu: you can get local strawberries here. now.
nubbins`: you can maybe get local squash here now
nubbins`: and some greens
mircea_popescu: anyway, bought a buncha smoked pork to hang in my attic... it's a pleasure
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mircea_popescu: proper hand made pickles...
mircea_popescu: they don't do much pickling in canada do they
nubbins`: altho i did see a young couple walking two goats recently, so i suppose really it's more a question of motivation
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: mostly a lost art these days
mircea_popescu: well that sucks. colder climes need smoked meat and pickled veggies.
nubbins`: i know a few groups of hippies that do canning
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mircea_popescu: canning != pickling in any sense.
nubbins`: yeah, closest thing you'll find
mircea_popescu: small peppers stuffed with cabbage! cucumbers! beets! culiflower!
nubbins`: people don't really preserve things here as a general rule
mircea_popescu: there's at least a dozen different sorts of pickles i can't do without
nubbins`: probably because our parent's generation grew up on a steady diet of salt cod
BingoBoingo: When the frost came so many of the tomatos were still green that we pickled them as a relish.
nubbins`: and salt beef
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo good for you.
nubbins`: and were 100% turned on preserved foods by the time the big grocery chains moved in
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's why it;'s better to make salt pickes and smoke the meats
mircea_popescu: than the other way around
nubbins`: actually, come to think of it, my mother loves pickled beets
mircea_popescu: you ever had sqaw candy ?
mircea_popescu: well wtf.
nubbins`: what can i say, sheltered life
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nubbins`: if you like pickled things, find a korean restaurant
Duffer1: squaw candy?
mircea_popescu: i dont like the way they pickle.
nubbins`: they are lords of fermenting and pickling
mircea_popescu: i'm romanian, stuff like this is like grounds for religious wars.
nubbins`: haha
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mircea_popescu: as far as the romanian mother in low is concerned, the new wife can parade around naked stuffing pencils in her cunt all she wants
mircea_popescu: but god forbid the sits on the floor or messes up the pickles.
nubbins`: i do some dehydrating and keep a root cellar, grow some veggies in the warmer months
nubbins`: that's about the extent of it so far
mircea_popescu: if you have a root cellar you definitely can pickle cabage.
nubbins`: funny story, the root cellar is just the cupboards under the kitchen sink
nubbins`: i keep beer down there too
nubbins`: so cold
mircea_popescu: ah, too small.
nubbins`: could probably fit a couple heads.
nubbins`: not enough to ensure a constant supply
ThickAsThieves: our cleaning lady pickles
ThickAsThieves: she gives us some
mircea_popescu: nah, cause you need a 20+ gallon thing
nubbins`: ah, no chance
mircea_popescu: they don't work in any arbitrary volume
ThickAsThieves: pickled okra mostly
nubbins`: i've also been making sourdough bread for about a year and a half now
Duffer1: oh man what a waste
mircea_popescu: that's nice.
nubbins`: i even have a subscription to Mother Earth News ;(
Duffer1: fry that ochra up
Duffer1: okra even
mircea_popescu: "ochra. for when you feel the urge to know what the texture of corpse cunt is like"
nubbins`: the eventual goal is to become mostly self-sufficient
Duffer1: why you gotta ruin it for me :(
mircea_popescu: aww sorry.
nubbins`: hopefully should have the big strokes worked out in the next 4 or 5 years
ThickAsThieves: Bill Gates to 'substantially increase time' at Microsoft after stepping down as chairman
mircea_popescu: nubbins` try pickling sometime, get a large earthen jug, fill it with nice firm cabbage heads, add water and a lot of salt.
Duffer1: what's the plan for electricity nubs?
mircea_popescu: then after the first few weeks each coupla days go there and spend ~10-15 minutes blowing air into the vessel
mircea_popescu: in about 4-5-6 months it's done. you'll know by taste.
nubbins`: Duffer1, wind doesn't work too well here, not sure yet
mircea_popescu: should be kept ~5 degrees celsius.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Prolly realizes he quit to early and that BASIC interpreter thing isn't a business anymore.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: add some fish paste and chilies and you've got kimchi
mircea_popescu: nah, it's different i tel you
mircea_popescu: theirs is not aerated.
nubbins`: too true
nubbins`: they actually bury it
mircea_popescu: they fucking bury that shit
mircea_popescu: makes a huge difference
Duffer1: i'm down to 1.5 jars of gramma's pickled cucumbers. needs to last 6months
mircea_popescu: anyway, that cabbage juice resultant is by far the best hangover cure in the world.
nubbins`: the best kimchi is old kimchi, 1 year or more
mircea_popescu: by VERY far.
nubbins`: you use round cabbage or chinese?
mircea_popescu: makes little difference, as ong as it's white.
nubbins`: sure
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mircea_popescu: red cabbage doesn't work for some reason
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nubbins`: i'll think on this, might be a nice experiment for the winter
ThickAsThieves: HD eyebrows!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's cheap to try, anyway.
mircea_popescu: you may wish to add some flavourings. horseradish is big here.
ThickAsThieves: "Shrem is 5 feet 5 inches tall, full-bearded, and high-energy. He’s the kind of guy who likes to party and loves to organize events, but also goes to his parents’ house every Friday night for dinner. "
nubbins`: i do like spicy
Duffer1: lol tat
Duffer1: groucho returns
nubbins`: groucho, leeel
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can go 1 horseradish root per 2-3 heads.
nubbins`: ever tried ginger?
mircea_popescu: it may work tho.
Duffer1: pickled ginger?
ThickAsThieves: i love ginger so much
nubbins`: well that's what got me thinking
nubbins`: i've been making this ghanaian dish lately, groundnut soup
nubbins`: fish or chicken, tomato paste, unsweetened peanut butter, ginger, onion, peppers
lippoper: .bait is back baby!
nubbins`: sounds terrible, tastes amazing
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nubbins`: i'm actually still not sure why it tastes good
KRS-: Look, she is sitting on her face!
ThickAsThieves: well peanut butter and ginger are my two favorite flavors
KRS-: .bait
nubbins`: then you owe it to yourself to try groundnut soup
KRS-: lol fun
mircea_popescu: nubbins` also, bay leaf, pepper, lots of dill
mircea_popescu: depends on your taste.
ThickAsThieves: He was this plucky, short Jewish guy from Brooklyn who had computer skills and decided to start his own company, and he was living the Entourage life. I envied the kid up until a few days ago.
nubbins`: i'm a huge fan of bay leaf
nubbins`: every chili, every stew
nubbins`: can't abide dill tho
KRS-: Like Assburgers? http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21021000/ngbbs4bc015a542b0c.jpg
ThickAsThieves: "Charlie Shrem, right, exits Manhattan federal court with an unidentified person on Monday, January 27th"
ThickAsThieves: unidentified
mircea_popescu: that's his dad
mircea_popescu: ain;'t it ?!
ThickAsThieves: how could it not be his dad
nubbins`: couldn't be his dad with that mouth
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nubbins`: maybe the purse threw them off
mircea_popescu: it's not a purse
mircea_popescu: it's panamanian.
nubbins`: a purseboa
nubbins`: okay, time to run some errands
ThickAsThieves: He was released on house arrest after his parents put up their house as collateral.
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KRS-: A Fallen Angel.
mircea_popescu: "gee son, i hope all that pot herping you did was a lot of fun"
mircea_popescu: "cause i worked thirty years for this house"
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 2605968722.74 based on data since last change | 2831748964.63 based on data for last three days
KRS-: ouch..amazing how parents blindly support their kids, even in hopeless situations.
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KRS-: not that this is hopeless..isn't money laundering a hard conviction to get?
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mircea_popescu: KRS- local joke : gypsy woman goes to her man with a very very filthy kid in tow
Duffer1: apparently they have his emails
mircea_popescu: "now what, do we wash this one or make another one?"
mircea_popescu: KRS- money laundering is an impossible conviction to get against the actual people who launder money, ie banks. any conviction is extremely easy to get against a redditard kid from brooklin and his goretex wearing father.
mike_c: ooh, nice coinroll ad on bitbet.
mike_c: does jurov control that yet?
jurov: yes i put the ad there
mircea_popescu: afaik it's scrat, namworld and jurov
jurov: but not full control yet
mike_c: planning any changes or you just going to run it better?
jurov: no. scrat and namworld are old owners and investors that are in search of a venue to IPO and get paid
jurov: and me and wao-ender are new owners
mike_c: interesting. good luck.
jurov: it's quite mess process, going on for 2 months, scrat was sick, etc.
mircea_popescu: well as long as it's fun.
jurov: indeed it;s fun :)
ThickAsThieves: for how long can we keep up 15%-20% diff increases?
ThickAsThieves: must be some kinda major limiting factor
ThickAsThieves: can hahsing increase 50x this year?
mircea_popescu: well... total electric energy output of earth is
jurov: it's price per transistor. dunno how far from that we are.
mircea_popescu: ~150-200 P
mircea_popescu: ~150-200 PW/h
jurov: admittedly, chumps may keep buying the transistor for several times more than mining reward
mircea_popescu: actually should i dig up the old discussion of that or were you around ?
jurov: *transistors
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure, but i'm re-interested either way
jurov: i don't think we came up with any definite numbers
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ThickAsThieves: mining is gonna be so centralized
mircea_popescu: yeah but we did some back of envelope shit
KRS-: mircea_popescu: haha funny..actually 2 jokes..local gypsys here are leaving. The county fair is wrapping up. Ya gotta love that food though.
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is doomed
KRS-: I mean..who fries winkies? Oreo cookies? Who knew?
ThickAsThieves: fry all the things!
KRS-: ya think?
mircea_popescu: well i dunno where it is ;/
mircea_popescu: having helpers kicks ass.
ThickAsThieves: seems that maybe the bets regulation USG could do is require gov to run a mining farm
chetty: Sotomayor: Labeling Illegal Immigrants Criminals Is Insulting
ThickAsThieves: logic is so racist
mircea_popescu: chetty people do have a right to go wherever the fuck they please.
mircea_popescu: who gave obama a monopoly on the land between x and y ?
ThickAsThieves: [BTCTC] [TAT.MINIGAME] 2 @ 0.000269 = 0.0005 BTC [+] <<< good times
chetty: not if they come to suck gubermint tits
mircea_popescu: !vwap s.mg
mircea_popescu: chetty gubermint has no right to have tits, nor does it have the right to use its tits as an excuse to bother people.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn
mircea_popescu: 't like its tits publicly handling it can go ahead and dress.
chetty: in a perfect world ...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4933430#msg4933430 << look what you've motherfuckingly done.
mircea_popescu: just not lieing and not stealing, that's it. that's all. you don't even need an idea AT ALL. your chain can simply win because no premine and no schmooze.
mircea_popescu: fucking stealing the mp model.
mircea_popescu: DO YOU SEE HOW POWERFUL IT IS!
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ThickAsThieves: i knew being a yogi berra fan would pay off one day
ThickAsThieves: maybe i should make a bot that combines yogi quotes with coelho lines
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ThickAsThieves: "I want to thank you for making this day necessary." -- On Yogi Berra Appreciation Day in St. Louis in 1947.
ThickAsThieves: "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there."
ThickAsThieves: "It ain't the heat; it's the humility."
Dimsler__: is it pump up hour in here?
Dimsler__: ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares
mircea_popescu: Dimsler__ no pump-o.
mircea_popescu: this will become a standard disclaimer, like no homo.
Dimsler__: lol
ThickAsThieves: <Dimsler__> ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares <<<< i missed something?
ThickAsThieves: you mean top 100 bitcoin holders? ALT?
ThickAsThieves: what are we caring about?
Dimsler__: we are not caring
Duffer1: i'm more confused now than when you guys started your bit
Duffer1: are you doing a bit?
Duffer1: i feel like earl
ThickAsThieves: i dont do bits
ThickAsThieves: maybe a lil performance art here and there
mircea_popescu: we're doing just a little bit. but i was srs above.
mircea_popescu: anyway, straight man story : ThickAsThieves started a new altchain. for absolutely no reason. called a lark.
ThickAsThieves: basically, "If you aren't scamming us, than how will you make any money?!"
mircea_popescu: that alt chain got a lot of mining power behind it.
Dimsler__: lol
Dimsler__: lark
mircea_popescu: we're not actually pushing it, we're just lolling at it, observing it, thinking about it outloud.
ThickAsThieves: i still dont own any
ThickAsThieves: dont think any miner has sold yet either
mircea_popescu: i think by now mpoe-pr owns more than me
Dimsler__: is it like dogecoin?
mircea_popescu: o wait! wow!
ThickAsThieves: oh you got some?
mircea_popescu: check this out tat : i am the one guy in the entire world who owns THE LEAST ATC.
Dimsler__: the USPS is gonne have its own alt currency soon
mircea_popescu: because you got 0 right ? and so do all those other guys
mircea_popescu: but i actually own -1, cause i owe 1 to either mike_c or vexual
ThickAsThieves: endorsed and coveted by mp himself, Altcoin
mike_c: vex, he paid me supposedly.
mircea_popescu: so i guess i'm shorting it, technically speaking
mircea_popescu: ;;FUD ATC kthx.
gribble: Error: "FUD" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: i'd buy some if people just made public prices
BingoBoingo: What's the difficulty on Alt anyway?
mircea_popescu: whoa that's a useless bot.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo like 20k ?
mircea_popescu: MP, naked shorting alt since the week it was born!
ThickAsThieves: i guess bluematt scamme dme
ThickAsThieves: never got the source, even after he told me to pay to same addy
mircea_popescu: altchain born in scam and pain!
mircea_popescu: the only begotten altchain of teh lord to save our etc
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BingoBoingo: LTC difficulty is only 2,820? To the hole with LTC!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i say a lot of power, i mean a lot of power >D
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mircea_popescu: "Well good morning there, Brittany. Are you ready for today's lesson?"
mircea_popescu: "Oh yes, Daddy! I can't wait to find out what you're going to do to me today!"
mircea_popescu: "That's a good girl. I love your enthusiasm. You made Daddy so proud when you came to me on your 18th Birthday a few weeks ago and said you wanted to work at my whorehouse just like your mother and your older sisters.
mircea_popescu: dude why is fanfic so incredibly bad.
BingoBoingo: Imma have to write and Altcoin post. Much hash. So Meta. Very Unmeme.
mircea_popescu: this guy's premise is that some dood's systematically whoring his family, and the only way he can think to introduce that premise is a Mr Exposition chorus ?!
ThickAsThieves: i have this runt cat, that never fully grew, but somehow she always finds her way to the highest places. when she gets there she lets out these little miniature roars
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is that a yogi coelho quote ?
ThickAsThieves: the cat thing? that's real
mircea_popescu: pretty adorkable.
ThickAsThieves: i need to record it
ThickAsThieves: by this point no one knows when i'm joking or just dumb
ThickAsThieves: cue dub/kako saying i'm always dumb
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ThickAsThieves: does bluematt haz wot?
ThickAsThieves: i might have to dig up my key for this
ThickAsThieves: no wait, the proper thing to do is start a reddit thread, right?
ThickAsThieves: Coingen.io is Scam!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00565828 = 0.1754 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1197 @ 0.00012943 = 0.1549 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07810003 = 0.3905 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25393 @ 0.00092673 = 23.5325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00092461 = 34.2568 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: "pre-mine consulting and strategy"
davout: it lacks the cryptsy-plugin generator
BingoBoingo: I doubt many new alts will go further than RIPple's greatest innovation whereby all coins were premined.
pankkake: NXT did it, and called it innovative
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ThickAsThieves: web designers new bastion, altcoin marketing agency
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doge just did it a coupla days ago.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he does indeed.
mircea_popescu: tbh i'd be very surprised if in fact he's scamming you.
ThickAsThieves: so i'm not supposed to overreact when people dont do things right away for me?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: pankakke, are you interested in helping create the source? or at least dumping the genblock?
ThickAsThieves: bounty available if needed
mircea_popescu: you can dumb the genblock just by quering the altcoind
mike_c: how you going to bounty with no ATC?
ThickAsThieves: i'll get the forum to pay for it
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: I was going to reply on the thread… I'm not sure I can do it
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ThickAsThieves: even if you have a different coingen'd source package to work from?
mircea_popescu: who's unbalanced on the forum ?
pankkake: a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p
ThickAsThieves: sock of someone here
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes but who./
ThickAsThieves: one of these D**** handles maybe
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ThickAsThieves: Duffer, Dimsler
Duffer1: not i
ThickAsThieves: maybe Van Cleef
ThickAsThieves: who knows anymor
pankkake: I think he goes by unbalanced here too. we're in a lentghty e-mail conversation
pankkake: he must be a lurker
wao-ender: lol, havellock is trying to do marketing with b.exch?
ThickAsThieves: <pankkake> a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p <<< but really, if it is useful, surely one of the packages for download is that http://coingen.io/status.html
ThickAsThieves: the ones with source are bigger zips
ThickAsThieves: 26mb vs 50+
ThickAsThieves: i downloaded some at random
ThickAsThieves: not sure how to tell if sha256
mircea_popescu: lmao this guy sounds like a bitcoin ceo.
ThickAsThieves: i'm a hacker now too!
mircea_popescu: + css experience.
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ThickAsThieves: i dont actually make the CSS, just pictures of what it should look like
mircea_popescu: obviosuly.
ThickAsThieves: but ive hacked a style or two in my day
mircea_popescu: thats something they could have had in idiocracy
mircea_popescu: instead of ppl ordering ? they napkin-doodle what they want
mircea_popescu: then argue about getting the wrong thing
jurov: did you make a picture css of neobee building too?
pankkake: feature request for altgen.io: create github repo :)
pankkake: oh coingen ships with a .git in it. good
ThickAsThieves: i dont do 3d rendering, too tedious
ThickAsThieves: same reason i dont code
ThickAsThieves: my attention doesnt work that way
pankkake: oh good at least I see that the pzsTimestamp is the same as Bitcoin
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pankkake: however it changes "pchMessageStart" and I have no idea what it is :(
ThickAsThieves: i didnt mind HTML class, but once i got to javascript class, i was like fuck this bullshit
mike_c: lexical clojure is a pain
pankkake: ok well, either I'll have the source tonight or in a few days
mircea_popescu: 2 weeks tops.
ThickAsThieves: if it helps, Altcoin should be 512 Block Rate, 512 block value, 262144 halving, 268435456 total coins
BingoBoingo: feature request for altgen.io -> Moar hashing algorithms. At a minimum MD4
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: altgen.io would have an endless todo list
pankkake: BingoBoingo: quite annoying as you have to manage the pools too
jurov: soo, gox pulled weexchange
ThickAsThieves: you may take 6%?
jurov: i mean, ukyo hints to some btc transactions corrupted by bitcoind
jurov: too
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that part shouldn't be too hard.
jurov: that cnnot be disclosed
BingoBoingo: pankkake: A plus of MD4 coin is you can pretty much instamine and them market make. Click post on the forum to make the thread. Then start your miner then... Profit! Chain mined before the thread gets a reply.
pankkake: you can instamine anything as long as the difficulty is low, or diff adjustment is bad
pankkake: which is the case for coingen, btw :)
mircea_popescu: or you announce it for tuesday and start sunday
mircea_popescu: then go "o oops, what you mean we said we'll turn off miners ?!?!"
pankkake: it is usually caught
pankkake: though of course it's scammers scamming scammers, and might not matter in the end
jurov: wouldn't you hit the maximal possible difficulty quickly with md4?
jurov: i.e. to make exact hash for the block
BingoBoingo: jurov: That's the point
jurov: what about using rot13 then?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002984 = 0.9638 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: jurov: Sure Rot13 where the alphabet consists entirely of Zeros might be prefect.
mircea_popescu: the future of cryptography as seen @nsa, microsoft, etc : rot13 chain!
the20year1: Making good progress with havelock
mike_c: i thought listing was yesterday?
BingoBoingo: Transactions from addresses are also signed by private keys which are also the addresses. Basically the same way credit cards work in the US, what could go wrong?
mircea_popescu: it's so true tho.
mircea_popescu: "could we have the last 4 digits of your address which is also your private key ? don't worry, we'll keep the rest secret nothing could possibly go wrong"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.002985 = 4.4775 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: This tool only goes up to 2006 as far as widely known collision attacks http://www.bishopfox.com/resources/tools/other-free-tools/md4md5-collision-code/
mircea_popescu: i dun recall who originally posted that coupla days back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1105 @ 0.002986 = 3.2995 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: was " leerochardson" on this chan?
kakobrekla: in last couple of hrs
mircea_popescu: this has a lot of implications for noob bitcoin devs btw
mircea_popescu: The scary thing was that I only thought of the true implications of this attack days later. As I was contemplating what had happened and how I could prevent it in the future, a very frightening thought occurred to me. This attacker started with Amazon because he knew that a commerce shopping site’s customer support would be relatively easy to convince and use to gain access to my account. However, that same site offe
mircea_popescu: rs cloud services that many startups rely on to host their data. My startup, Droplr, is completely based on Amazon’s stack, from using EC2 servers where we host all of our technology to S3, which we use for file storage. This attacker had access to all of it. I was extremely lucky that in his rush to gain access to @jb, he didn’t think to check if my account had anything under AWS.
ThickAsThieves: also good advice to not use your custom google apps domain email for registrations
jurov: as if normaln gmail would be harder to pwn
ThickAsThieves: no customer service reps for free Google Apps accounts
ThickAsThieves: its a security feature!
mircea_popescu: this entire "cumstomer service" bs needs to go away.
Duffer1: companies need to start investing in MPOE-PR brand customer relations
mircea_popescu: you lost your password ? FUCK YOU.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4022 @ 0.00092764 = 3.731 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.14999999 = 0.3 BTC [-]
davout: lol, where do i sign?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: have you ever helped someone who lost their mpex key?
mike_c: i bet you have
mircea_popescu: i have not.
Duffer1: has anyone ever lost a key?
mircea_popescu: at least a coupla people.
mike_c: that's a tough line to hold. it will be interesting if you can keep that up.
mircea_popescu: happens to be the correct line to hold, so... whatever, they'll have to get it out of my cold dead hands.
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: not everything is a brothel.
mike_c: i would like to be able to use mpex with keys that i sign from my master key that i've registered with you. then i could use cardano with it.
mircea_popescu: imagine if hospitals were run on the principle of whether the customer was happy.
jurov: oh, they aren't?
mircea_popescu: well ideally i should hope not, or else wtf, "which pill would you like to take today, mr j"
jurov: they give you antibitics not cuz you need them, but to make you happy
mircea_popescu: "take the ugly pill and shut up"
mircea_popescu: there you go breaking my eastern bloc ideals.
mircea_popescu: mike_c if you're really paranoid you can locally generate and sign pushes after each stat.
mircea_popescu: that way, even if you lose your key you can wipe your account for later.
mircea_popescu: and it's better in that i don't even need to verify anything.
mike_c: hm, that's interesting. i'll have to build that into pympex v2
mircea_popescu: do you understand the model i mean ?
mike_c: yeah
mircea_popescu: like you now use key a, and spare is key b. after each stat for each asset push x to b signed and stored.
davout: why after each stat?
mircea_popescu: you can store the stuff as a list encrypted to b
mike_c: after each stat so you push all your assets (which changes..)
davout: why not once for each asset with some high value
mircea_popescu: davout well that's the point where you find what assets you have.
davout: just make a stat per asset, and add pushes as assets are added to mpex
davout: sorry a push per asset
mircea_popescu: you gotta specify qty
jurov: if qty is 99999999, it won't work?
davout: can't you say a bazillion and it takes the min from the qty and your holdings?
mircea_popescu: afaik if you don't have the right qty it tells you to fuck off.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00092768 = 7.3287 BTC [+]
jurov: D:
jurov: one can make signed pushes for qty 1,2,4,8,16,32,...
jurov: and apply them from highest one
jurov: but orders must be taken from stat anyway
mike_c: that's not a bad backup too. sign those and bury them in the garden
mircea_popescu: anyway, careful with that axe eugene
jurov: can be. plenty karosa buses here, too
jurov: mircea how would you go about backing up keys from airgapped machine?
jurov: if you were mpex customer
mircea_popescu: you can take them to another airgapped machine
jurov: and that machine to safe?
mircea_popescu: well to wherever you keep your backups
mircea_popescu: two machines connecting is no threat to either's airgap, provided the other's not going online
mircea_popescu: think of this as if it were sex
mircea_popescu: which it is.
jurov: lol i keep backups all around, under strong passphrase
mircea_popescu: do you have a slovenian dicelist ?
jurov: i made one
jurov: from various sources
mircea_popescu: so turn the privkey into a diced novella, print it, keep it around. w/e.
jurov: haha
mircea_popescu: people'd be like "wtf does He foot dog went backwards air eloped mystical donglebunch." ?!?!?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40428 @ 0.0009255 = 37.4161 BTC [-] {4}
wao-ender: I was always thinking about it like, if computer catn decipher it, humans need to use inteligence
nubbins`: smh. phone is NINE DAYS out of warranty and won't charge, carrier tells me to PFO
nubbins`: 10/10, would do business with again
wao-ender: next time u will buy extended warranty
Duffer1: planned obsolescence is pretty annoying
ThickAsThieves: so it will last longer
nubbins`: wao-ender: no i won't
mircea_popescu: and this is why i buy old models intended for the african market.
ThickAsThieves: so you can mpesa?
wao-ender: extended warranty is neat marketing, like with insurrance for 60years.
mircea_popescu: my ten year old non-gps phone without special sounds or bs charges just fine
mircea_popescu: omfg this is mpiright infringement!
nubbins`: in fairness, they did say i could order a replacement for only $269.99999999
nubbins`: i'll get what i want, just annoying because it takes so long
wao-ender: order chinese one.
wao-ender: im ok with my asian phone
wao-ender: non western brand
nubbins`: this IS a chinese one.
nubbins`: oh, brand. n/m.
wao-ender: hope not ZTE..
nubbins`: apple
wao-ender: or aple.
nubbins`: honestly the worst part is the hold music
wao-ender: just listen world around you
nubbins`: apple phone support has looked up my info and suddenly has no problems with a free replacement
mircea_popescu: that means they've raped you for over 9000 in the past.
nubbins`: "oh shit, this is the guy who only good things happen to"
nubbins`: mp, about 4k
nubbins`: plus a few years of dev access
mircea_popescu: so over 9k
nubbins`: $99/yr!
nubbins`: i think you just wanted to say OVER 9000
mircea_popescu: fun fact : the marginal cost for an extra girl is about 4k/yr for me atm.
wao-ender: does age weight the price?
mircea_popescu: it's cost not price.
mircea_popescu: like, you gotta feed her, house her, maybe even clothe her, at least after a few months.
wao-ender: I prefer naked ones
pankkake: clothes can be fun
mircea_popescu: and a treat.
mircea_popescu: besides. corsets. garters.
wao-ender: maybe s&m clothes
mircea_popescu: high heels. nipple shields.
pankkake: butt plugs are clothes too
mircea_popescu: there's plenty to do.
nubbins`: okay, done!
nubbins`: they're mailing me a box
nubbins`: (which i always find amusing)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: actually, i don't think i can even qualify my treatment as sexual harassment, let alone rape
mircea_popescu: wait, treatment by whom
nubbins`: apple
mircea_popescu: nm what you say. i'm the feminist here.
mircea_popescu: and you'll be liberated willing or unwilling!
nubbins`: my sides, etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
nubbins`: b.mine, b.sell, b.lel
kakobrekla: you b.mine and ill b.yours
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
nubbins`: b.srs ;(
mircea_popescu: regulation boots.
nubbins`: don't b.likethat
mircea_popescu: i mean b.oots.
mircea_popescu: lol ThickAsThieves you should have ofered 404 satoshi :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00092024 = 9.2944 BTC [-]
the20year1: mike_c: that's what the rep i was talking to said
the20year1: Technically i think we're live now, but not listed on the sidebar
mike_c: symbol?
ThickAsThieves: you cant see unpublic symbols without special permission
mike_c: do you have special permission?
ThickAsThieves: admin can give permission to any account tho
ThickAsThieves: ie the20year could show you
ThickAsThieves: but whats the point
ThickAsThieves: just wait
mike_c: no point. i was just wondering if it was up.
ThickAsThieves: oh, i cant see it either
ThickAsThieves: special permission only giveable by HL and issuer
mike_c: any particular reason you only PT'd s.mg?
pankkake: at the time there were many passthroughs elsewhere?
mike_c: i guess the volume is so small it's not even worth the headache.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.080004 = 0.4 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: you mean why didnt i also make MPOE and BBET?
mike_c: yeah
ThickAsThieves: a few reasons
ThickAsThieves: mostly revolving around volume
ThickAsThieves: there are fees to carry a listing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1620 @ 0.00012985 = 0.2104 BTC [+]
mike_c: ah. ongoing fees.
ThickAsThieves: this led me to considering a MPEX4 or such
mike_c: index fund. i like that idea in general.
ThickAsThieves: but then I dont actually have supply of shares to share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00565801 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: mpex already has a broker anyway
mike_c: yeah, but seems there is value to managing the index fund instead of having to do it yourself.
ThickAsThieves: too much work for too little reward
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 178 @ 0.00080556 = 0.1434 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: basically, BTC going to 1000, combined with BTCT and BF dying, killed a lot of the market
Dimsler__: whast btct again?
ThickAsThieves: Excel for Shares
Dimsler__: ohh the other one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012098 = 0.121 BTC [-] {7}
Dimsler__: funny
Dimsler__: cause btct was the only legit one
Duffer1: it was so legit it got shut down before the other
Dimsler__: well havelock is a pure boiler room
Dimsler__: filled with bs overvalued companies
ThickAsThieves: so legit that I had the only security on BTCT with a 0 score
Dimsler__: mmmhm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00564219 = 0.5642 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: hehe you still cant view btct.co market page without accepting "fantasy" disclaimer
mike_c: they have to keep that in the code for when they sell it
mircea_popescu: <Dimsler__> cause btct was the only legit one <<< so they said.
Dimsler__: lol
nubbins`: okay, so
mircea_popescu: in the end, same story as their mother : -50% in half a year.
nubbins`: remember earlier how my phone was broken?
nubbins`: heh, eat a dick
ThickAsThieves: BTCT had a buyer, and I emphatically told Burnsy TAKE THE MONEY NOW
mircea_popescu: are you going to sell a spare charger now ?
nubbins`: nope
Dimsler__: i've lived through the NY / TSX boiler rooms, can easily spot all of them
ThickAsThieves: last I heard he was still holding out
ThickAsThieves: for better offer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00091996 = 22.263 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: i just cleaned a massive amount of impacted lint out of the jack
nubbins`: and now it charges just fine.
Dimsler__: majority of the younger bitcoin nerds have no idea about financials
Dimsler__: or trading
mircea_popescu: burnside knows better than anyone, he's an ex car mechanic or w/e, so it's to be understood.
Dimsler__: yeah and roger ver was a fireworks salesman
Dimsler__: and you are the romanian John Smith
ThickAsThieves: I wonder if burnsy is still lurking
nubbins`: so i guess i'll be a joke at whatever call center "allegra" works at
Dimsler__: ideaoligist get butchered
mircea_popescu: cs chick's name actually listed as "allegra" ?!
ThickAsThieves: can I be the Portuguese Vasco da Gama
mircea_popescu: they're not even trying anymore, naming these is like namig cars.
mircea_popescu: please wait while you're being serviced by concorda
ThickAsThieves: This is Enron speaking, how may I help you?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: srsly, Sierra transferred me to Allegra
nubbins`: i started to suspect i was being had
mircea_popescu: should be like... integra. honesta. valua.
nubbins`: hope
mircea_popescu: "o hey valua... wanna go for drnks ? i'll buy you all the khalua you can put away"
ThickAsThieves: Fairness Commonsworth
mircea_popescu: imagine if the original inglebert humperdinck was trying to get hired.
ThickAsThieves: better than Catness at least
nubbins`: "inglebert speaking, can i help you
mircea_popescu: actually i guess there's two clear sets of female made-up names : the stripper type and the customer service rep type
mircea_popescu: tho i seem to recall a vegas sierra chick.
nubbins`: i'm amazed both at how much lint was in there, as well as my failure to remove it before driving all around the city and waiting on hold for 20 minutes
nubbins`: sierra just reminds me of video games
ThickAsThieves: and me of beer
ThickAsThieves: poor mountain range
ThickAsThieves: it needs a better logo i guess
nubbins`: don't we all
ThickAsThieves: "I would be willing to sell ATC for AM100."
ThickAsThieves: wtf is wrong with these people
nubbins`: hahahahaha
nubbins`: flailing around in a soup of words and ideas
nubbins`: "will trade life preserver for large bag of cereal or nvidia graphics card"
Duffer1: how much was burns offered?
ThickAsThieves: i forget, likely 200btc range
ThickAsThieves: but i dunno what's made up and what's real anymore
nubbins`: kraken still hasn't verified my totally fabricated personal info
the20year1: sierra the game company?
nubbins`: shoulda called it slacken
nubbins`: the20year1, yep
the20year1: I miss a10 2, betrayl at krondor and aces of the deep
nubbins`: * quest and the incredible machine here
nubbins`: TIM really stands the test of time
dub: allegra's real name is kumarapatayafackalukoa zing
ThickAsThieves: "Just to clarify - Ken is regaining ACtM monies not his personal BTC. The 106BTC has been taken off our balance sheet"
ThickAsThieves: or is this just another "we" as in being a part of something
ThickAsThieves: "My only advice is to buy some of these shares at 0.0005"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, if it makes you feel any better, burnside's "buyer" was more fluff than anything.
nubbins`: it's amazing that bitcoin caught on at all with the amount of fail permeating every aspect of it
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: makes me want to divest
the20year1: burnside's buyer for btct?
ThickAsThieves: mp you are likely correct
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the relationship is inverse. bitcoin is backed by fail and drama. and butthurt.
the20year1: I know for a fact my brother made him an offer
dub: s/every aspect/the same tardcircle
mircea_popescu: dub has it.
ThickAsThieves: I relayed an offer, which was too low cuz not 200
mircea_popescu: basically... it's strateman fucking up bitcoinica and tux fucking up mtgox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36686 @ 0.00092067 = 33.7757 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: yeah, that's valid
mircea_popescu: then both denying it and hiring each other
mircea_popescu: then denying it and starting a "foundation"
mircea_popescu: which fucks up and they deny and so on and on. it's pretty much one group of idiots.
mircea_popescu: which everyone mostly ignores by now anyways.
ThickAsThieves: dogecoin really gave us a little break time
mircea_popescu: and thankful we r.
nubbins`: dogecoin would make me weep, were it not for the endless lels
mircea_popescu: leltears are legitimate tears.
nubbins`: mp, my grin is so wide that it squeezes my tear ducts shut.
nubbins`: It's almost a regular occurrence now where a dogecoin proponent will make a post here proclaiming his or her disgust at how terrible a community we are, how we're all a bunch of greedy jerks, and that we're not as friendly as helpful and all-around-amazing as dogecoiners.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: Does anyone not see the contradiction in this behavior? The louder and more strident these proclamations become, the more they demonstrate the opposite of their claims.
kakobrekla: aha aha
nubbins`: i might as well just have my sides surgically removed
mircea_popescu: lol reddit degenerating into all around bitchfest ?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: some srs hate flowing between /r/bitcoin and /r/dogecoin
mircea_popescu: who could have foreseen this.
nubbins`: general consensus is that btc isn't fun enough
mircea_popescu: They are only assholes to new people, not people that know all about bitcoin. My first experience with bitcoin users was asking them how do I buy it. The answers I got was "its so easy! How do you not know? You are stupid, its so simple" And lets not forget my favorite one..."If you don't know how to buy it, you shouldn't be buying it" For a new person to crypto, its basically like going into a restaurant with really r
mircea_popescu: eally good food and the waiters are only being nice to and serving their friends and the regular customers. If you've never eaten there, they wont even seat you. Basically ensuring that new customers never come back, and I promise you, there is a lot of money out there that never got to buy bitcoin because of these assholes.
ThickAsThieves: it's our first World War
mircea_popescu: dude this is so perfect.
ThickAsThieves: The doge army attacks
mircea_popescu: if this is in fact the experience bitcoin delivers i have won.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00091882 = 13.1851 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: "I think the dogecoiners protest too much, and that they are in fact the opposite of what they claim. We shouldn't put up with it and I'm glad we have moderators who delete those threads."
pankkake: bernankoin welcomes dogefugees
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: does he realize, i wonder, that the tables in that restaurant are already all taken?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i doubt you can inflate enough to keep up with the doge ppl.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` does he realise, i wonder, that the people in thar restaurant are not his skin color, not his skin odour and not his education level ?
pankkake: of course I can, the more the diff the more the inflate
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean i'm not welcome anywhere as i am!!11!!1"
nubbins`: food is color blind, man
ThickAsThieves: I'm gonna reply "See what happens when there are too many coin options? This is why I invented Altcoin! "
kakobrekla: the 15th standard.
Duffer1: .."seized by their issuer to recover losses under lien. It's legal..."
Duffer1: lolol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999 BTC [-]
pankkake: award them the Internet Lawyer Diploma
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 52878 @ 0.00011202 = 5.9234 BTC [-] {9}
nubbins`: Ray Russell Reese III, that's a mouthful
Namworld: Can someone explain me why CBTC trades for almost 200 months of profits?
nubbins`: I've lost count of how many times people have confused my last name with "Reese"
nubbins`: Namworld: i don't think so, no :(
ThickAsThieves: Namworld, to piss you off
Duffer1: they probably think it's the next satoshidice
ThickAsThieves: or, "hope"
Namworld: Then Havelock says Coinroll wants too high a valuation.
Duffer1: wow
pankkake: > havelock says too high valuation
Duffer1: i'm having trouble believing that havelock said a valuation was too high
Namworld: They take just about anything, but they don't want Coinroll
KRS-: .bait
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38203597 = 382.036 BTC
nubbins`: pankkake: i know right?
ThickAsThieves: is that $410 or $4100?
pankkake: cbtc is supposed to announce an acquisition
mircea_popescu: that is 4100
ThickAsThieves: i havent been keeping track
mircea_popescu: and what the hell.
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.4879146 = 487.9146 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47026816 = 470.2682 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45262172 = 452.6217 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43497529 = 434.9753 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41732885 = 417.3289 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39968241 = 399.6824 BTC
nubbins`: uh...
mike_c: check the manual, how do you withdraw from mpbor :D
mircea_popescu: these were all the bids incidentally.
mircea_popescu: so this is actually a btc long play
kakobrekla: mike_c send it on the No side
nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399)*[ticker --last]
gribble: 2829635.295
nubbins`: if you're buying us all ice cream, i prefer chocolate
mircea_popescu: by the looks of it i may end up buying someone a new yacht
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48788011 = 487.8801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.4702347 = 470.2347 BTC [-]
nubbins`: cover the berthing fees for a year and you've got yourself a deal
nubbins`: oh wow, not done yet
ThickAsThieves: so someone is writing all these Puts?
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm buying someone a new planet
mike_c: mpoe is writing them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10333326 = 0.31 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.4525893 = 452.5893 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.4349439 = 434.9439 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41729849 = 417.2985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39965309 = 399.6531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38200769 = 382.0077 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c nope
mike_c: er, buying them :)
mircea_popescu: fucking options.
mircea_popescu: worst racket in the world.
mircea_popescu: when you get no customers you're depressed. but then when you do, you're worried.
nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382)*[ticker --last]
gribble: 5656260
ThickAsThieves: not being accusatory, but would this be a way for MPEX to squeeze MPBOR writers?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how would it go ?
mircea_popescu: then no lol.
mike_c: who said the speculator is going to win?
ThickAsThieves: well the idea would be for tyhe speculator to lose intentionally
mircea_popescu: speculator may well lose its speculative shirt.
ThickAsThieves: cuz speculator is mpex/mp itself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11576666 = 0.3473 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: if speculator loses bondholders make money
mike_c: cuz lots of capital required = lots of interest
jurov: !t m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
jurov: ..computing...
mircea_popescu: nah cause they're sales see
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48820451 = 488.2045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47054938 = 470.5494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45289424 = 452.8942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43523911 = 435.2391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41758397 = 417.584 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39992884 = 399.9288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.3822737 = 382.2737 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: of come on
mircea_popescu: well i suppose on the positive angle... this probably takes mpex avg trade pretty close to mpex account fee
mircea_popescu: much to the peanut gallery's delight
nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*[ticker --last]
gribble: 8486204.375
nubbins`: getting uncomfortable yet?
mircea_popescu: just a few k's. i've seen worse.
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*5000
gribble: 45625000
mircea_popescu: you guise... i can crash at your pads right ?
mircea_popescu: i could be as cool as taaki.
nubbins`: wait, you mean romania doesn't house the destitute for free?
mircea_popescu: no because it's run by nazi assholes who don't believe in welfare.
pankkake: does taaki take showers?
ThickAsThieves: i hear there's a lot of slave work in ROmania
nubbins`: Namworld, +1
mircea_popescu: pankkake when it rains
mircea_popescu: "ActualMoney HACKED! 70 million people's wallet information stolen! Wallet's flawed! May need to upgrade wallets to new version!"
ThickAsThieves: "actualmoney ATM spotted in the wild"
mircea_popescu: well that lasted 3 entries...
pankkake: hahaha sometimes reddit delivers
nubbins`: $8m USD in bennies would make it rain pretty hard
nubbins`: you'd get cotton fever
nubbins`: they do use cotton paper, yes?
mircea_popescu: so i guess bitbet killed last month... mpex kills this month...
mircea_popescu: we're sort-of taking turns to act as an executive officer for the week...
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: But $8m USD in pennies... Depending on how high they fall from might qualify as a mass casualty incident (hashtag)BitRichTerrorism
pankkake: so next month the cardano is shipping?
mircea_popescu: must be so
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: canada has abolished the penny, it's the way forward
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pennymeteor
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Also cotton fever is from when you get the filter cotton stuck in your veins because Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Namworld: How much collateral would a P500 require right now?
nubbins`: right, sure
nubbins`: i was getting confused with cotton lung
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
nubbins`: byssinosis?
mircea_popescu: something like 6 btc
mike_c: strike/spot
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: real men don't filter anyway
nubbins`: straight from spoon to digs
ThickAsThieves: some just traded AM100 for ATC, he
mircea_popescu: real men analdrop it ?
mike_c: ;;calc 500/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.542169975254
ThickAsThieves: so through inventing nothing i provided AM100 liquidity
nubbins`: not bad
Duffer1: ^ document not found
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there was a "performance artist" here years ago who chugged a bottle of wine up his ass and attempted to shit it out
mircea_popescu: did he perform ?
nubbins`: sphincter stopped cooperating
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 250 @ 0.43518255 = 108.7956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 700 @ 0.41752928 = 292.2705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39987601 = 399.876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38222274 = 382.2227 BTC [-]
nubbins`: he got very very intoxicated
ThickAsThieves: stop the madness!
nubbins`: in his defense, chugging a bottle of wine with his ass was indeed a performance
dub: real men dump gear into syringe, add hot water
mircea_popescu: o look it's tapering
nubbins`: dub, they don't make funnels that small!
dub: I knew a few peopel who did that
mircea_popescu: what do real women do ?
nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382+108+292+399+382)*[ticker --last]
gribble: 9504399.42306
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: whatever they want!
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 10000
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 10067544.3676 USD and would take the last price up to 1090.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1006.7544 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0854 seconds
ThickAsThieves: it's probly mtgox buying the options
nubbins`: maybe it's a winklevo
nubbins`: or whatever you call one of them
kakobrekla: its phantom
nubbins`: winklevode
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 50000
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 21066.667 bitcoins, for a total of 39555715342.1433 USD and take the price to 3600000000.0000. | Data vintage: 52.3027 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Nah, has to be gox, since all of their money is of the monopoly variety they can push their price wherever they want.
ThickAsThieves: but price needs to hold over it for more than a day
kakobrekla: yea but phantom will handle gox default
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.155 = 0.775 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess we see if there's further divergence.
nubbins`: "If recent trends continue, Microsoft could overtake Apache within the next few months, ending Apache's 17+ year reign as the most common web server"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC
Diablo-D3: well for one
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much weight i put on "sites" counting.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I mean the other possibility is maybe Secondmarket's fund which has been buying almost exclusively OTC has run out of sellers and needs to go to an exchange.
Diablo-D3: microsoft doesnt even have a web server that works on linux
Diablo-D3: so how would it do that?
Diablo-D3: second, didnt nginx already surplant apache?
Diablo-D3: only legacy sites run apache anymore
pankkake: yeah, nginx is probably serving more than apache
mircea_popescu: possibly.
Diablo-D3: apache is still a lot slower than nginx, and I dont know why
Diablo-D3: and theres no built in support for spdy
nubbins`: all sites vs active sites
pankkake: it's hard to count though. per domains? ips?
mircea_popescu: thy count domains.
Diablo-D3: thats useless
mircea_popescu: it's not particularly meaningful imo, but hey.
Diablo-D3: if I was microsoft
Diablo-D3: I'd just buy 9 billion domains
pankkake: I have plenty of domains, and subdomains
Diablo-D3: microsoft doesnt even host microsoft.com on IIS
Diablo-D3: in fact, I didnt even know IIS was still around
Diablo-D3: I thought it was discontinued
pankkake: and typically, you can have subdomains hosted with different servers
mircea_popescu: basically one of the squatters moving ot a ms outfit can account for the entire "trend"
nubbins`: Diablo-D3, what did you think all those .NET sites ran on?
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: um, probably .net
Diablo-D3: iirc it has its own http stack built in
nubbins`: nope
nubbins`: uses iis
BingoBoingo: There's also the thing where any number of pwned windows boxes can become IIS servers
ThickAsThieves: reminds me of furuknap
ThickAsThieves: the sharepoint lover
nubbins`: unless it's changed in the last couple years
Diablo-D3: and like a third of .net sites use mono
Diablo-D3: plus, you never connect that shit directly to the net anyhow
Diablo-D3: you proxy them for ssl and caching performance
Diablo-D3: so varnish or whatnot
nubbins`: 1/3 of .net sites use mono, really?
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: yeah
Diablo-D3: because they cant host them on the internet anywhere if they dont
Diablo-D3: unless they shell out for a dedi at a company that allows windows
Diablo-D3: and thats not in-expensive.
nubbins`: windows hosting = $$$$
ThickAsThieves: my desire for more bitcoin drama this morning has been sated by all these options sales :)
pankkake: good spider sense
nubbins`: TBH that's the biggest ? in all of this
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: your inner spider is sensible.
nubbins`: but the point about mono helps explain it
Diablo-D3: the text of that article doenst even make sense
Diablo-D3: look at the graphs
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 666 @ 0.38217745 = 254.5302 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha dat touch.
dub: option of the beast
Diablo-D3: apache is still >505
Diablo-D3: er 50%
mircea_popescu: for the record, the record is 482`472 BTC notional trade. back in march.
Diablo-D3: active sites
nubbins`: record record
Diablo-D3: wtf is an "active site"
Diablo-D3: fucking retard
dub: recordception?
Diablo-D3: fucking retards
mircea_popescu: this book is like 25k, so far.
nubbins`: yeah, i got tangled up there too
ThickAsThieves: i guess i should close my shorts
dub: yeah or your junk will fall out
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, was wondering about the smell
Duffer1: >.<
nubbins`: i mean, it always stinks like dick in here
ThickAsThieves: now pubes too
nubbins`: yeah, a different sort of musk
mircea_popescu: there, fixed.
pankkake: the elon musk?
mircea_popescu: dude how long had you been waiting for that one ?
pankkake: 0, as I didn't make the association before
nubbins`: elon = eww, like, overwhelming nausea
nubbins`: struggling for an "e" word to go with "lord, our noses"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15899987 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC
mircea_popescu: was that crowdsourced ?
benkay: nerds make tasteless jokes?
nubbins`: "Everybody needs loving and understanding. People get their courage to live from loving and understanding. Understanding means listening and compassion. Rape victims have to gather their courage to live in order to stand on their dignity and to face future."
benkay: color me surprised.
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit of the first degree, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: people don't get their "courage to live" from a bunch of other dorks.
mircea_popescu: it's inside or it's not present at all.
benkay: but a hug and a shoulder to cry on can help the poor abused kitten return to normal.
nubbins`: "Heather is a young rape victim. She would die if she could not stand on her dignity and no future. Unfortunately the persistent bullying online and calling her a "slut" in her community show that nobody would listen her and there is no compassion towards her. A person willing to die causes the person's attempting suicide. Whether is Heather attempting a suicide?"
dub: why is part of canukistan named after two dogs?
pankkake: actually, the bunch of other dorks makes you want to kill yourself more
nubbins`: dub: the obvious answer is the correct one.
dub: crack smoking mayors?
nubbins`: ...that's the obvious answer?
dub: crack has to come into it clearly
nubbins`: actual answer is that both breeds originated from here
nubbins`: they have a common ancestor in the St. John's water dog
dub: seems unlikely
nubbins`: well, that's the funny thing about "seems"
nubbins`: not as funny as the fact that the newfoundland dog was bred in labrador and the labrador retriever was bred in newfoundland
nubbins`: but hey, what can ya do
dub: stands to reason
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22806 @ 0.00092181 = 21.0228 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: newfoundland dogs are great
nubbins`: they're so goddamn big
nubbins`: very gentle too
mircea_popescu: dub is un-a-bashed.
mircea_popescu: nubbins apparently likes the cok.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13200001 BTC [-]
benkay: great danes are large and gentle as well
nubbins`: i know the words you're using
nubbins`: but i don't understand the order in which you've put them
nubbins`: but i don't understand the order in which you've put them
mircea_popescu: just simple pattern matching dood. the last time i was talking to someone telling me about how "it's great, so goddamn big but gentle" the subject was penis and the speaker a slut.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.132 = 0.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 799 @ 0.00433582 = 3.4643 BTC [-] {18}
nubbins`: hmm right
nubbins`: you may wish to tweak your algo
nubbins`: ^ newfoundland dog
jcpham: fuck that
jcpham: not indoors
jcpham: i have a husky indoor and i want to kill that fucker
mircea_popescu: so basically if you can't reach in the top cabinet,
mircea_popescu: you can ask for the dog to get it.
nubbins`: yeah exactly!
jcpham: imagine if it chews anything
jcpham: you can't hide it
nubbins`: the newfie dog also graces the box of one of my favourite local beers
nubbins`: jcpham, consider chew marks on the window sill behind the sink
nubbins`: "the fuck...?"
jcpham: yeah
jcpham: dats a big yo
jcpham: *dog
nubbins`: i can't recall if newfoundlands were bred from labs
jcpham: might get bored and chew the middle or top of a door frame
nubbins`: or vice versa
nubbins`: anyway, i generally don't like dogs at all, but these big fluffy fuckers are great
jcpham: i'd hate trying to dominate and train it too
jcpham: sounds like work
mircea_popescu: they prolly want you to.
mircea_popescu: not like the litthe fuckers you gott fight with
mircea_popescu: like pitbulls etc.
jcpham: large male indoor dogs have to be dominated yo
nubbins`: nah, they call these things "gentle giants"
jcpham: i'd stare at it until it sits it's ass down
ThickAsThieves: i had a gf that had a newfie, they are very gentle, but also kinda fragile
jcpham: gentle giant and everything
nubbins`: webbed feet, great swimmers
ThickAsThieves: they live what 6-9 years?
jcpham: but if it's labrador genome it's probably docile
jcpham: i've got a hell of a fucked alpha male living with me
nubbins`: tat, 8-10
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
nubbins`: labs are docile if you train them, hard to train tho
nubbins`: they're fucking idiots if you don't
jcpham: i should've done more research on siberian huskies
jcpham: fucking dog challenges me daily for supremacy
nubbins`: wow, largest newfoundland was 260lbs
nubbins`: 120kg
nubbins`: "a newfoundland dog lying next to its combed-out seasonal undercoat"
nubbins`: do not want
jcpham: yeah the multiple coats
jcpham: which means more shedding
dub: looks like my cat
chipug: anyone any ideas how to get hold of someone pretty far up the chain in bitcoin to explain to some authority types?
dub: talk to jcpham
jcpham: chipug!
bigboss: bitcoin 4100 next month?
jcpham: you are in luck!
dub: and Namworld
dub: and bigboss
jcpham: here i am. I'm approximately 72% up the chain right now
dub: al top of the bitcoi nauthority chain
blg: chipug: message me
chipug: lol jcpham
benkay: top of the blockchain
chipug: i mean i need someone to talk to government
nubbins`: chipug, what sort of chain are you looking for someone to be far up?
chipug: this is important
jcpham: nevermind i'm busy
benkay: important? sounds important. also amazing.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
dub: which gubbermint
nubbins`: chipug: maybe you'd better start with exactly what you're trying to do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00092887 = 6.1305 BTC [+] {2}
dub: and lol important?
chipug: i would like to find someone to talk to the scottish government about bitcoin
jcpham: bitcoin + important sounds life changing
benkay: why can't you, chipug?
chipug: theyve just decided its illegal
chipug: and they are having another conference
nubbins`: chipug: would the scottish government like to talk to someone?
chipug: i know one of the head procurator fiscals
nubbins`: 'cause ya know
dub: they're drunk tell them to go home
chipug: and i wondered if someone would talk to himn and tell him what a fucking idiot he is being
benkay: source please, chipug
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: great plan, will work
chipug: i know it wont but would you rather i didn't try when i have heard this on the QT??
nubbins`: honestly i don't think any of us care
chipug: this isnt public knowledge
nubbins`: it is now
chipug: ok fair enough
nubbins`: sorry
mike_c: it's public rumor now, not knowledge quite yet
chipug: no worries, just thought folk would care if the government are looking at seizing it
dub: as soon as bourbon barrels are only exchangable for bitcoin they'll roll over like the scotsmen they are
nubbins`: chipug: walk through the steps of a bitcoin seizure in your head
chipug: mike_c: i hope the rumour mill does something more than the deaf ears i met
jcpham: is golf still legal?
nubbins`: they seized golf too
chipug: nubbins, i didnt come to get bitched at
jcpham: FARK
jcpham: these bastards and their laws
chipug: just thought might be good for someone that can explain technically and historically to tell them that it isnt all criminal activity - which is what they concluded last week
nubbins`: chipug: i know, but i don't think you fully understand what you're talking about
jcpham: oh yeah that's not me
jcpham: i'm purposefully lacking credentials
chipug: of course i don't nubbins! why the fuck do you think i am here now?!
bigboss: who bet 10m that bitcoin will be over 4500 next month
dub: scotland did
nubbins`: because you think this is a thing that (a) people would worry about and (b) your government can do something about
Duffer1: bigboss someone with the resources to make it happen
chipug: i heard about this through family and i just thought, fuck that doesn't sound good. I wonder if someone could help things. I apologise to all for that
nubbins`: two false assumptions that brought you here
jcpham: do you have 10 million dollars to bet with bigboss?
nubbins`: hey, apology accepted. stick around for a chat
chipug: nah
chipug: bit sour dude
nubbins`: cheer up
chipug: lol
chipug: doesnt seem to be too fun to chat so far
jcpham: nubbins` is mad because he hasn't sold that .5 silver cas coin yet
benkay: chipug: the attitude to bear is "don't fuck with bitcoin" not "oh no this is going to hurt bitcoin"
nubbins`: we're just taking ths piss out of you
chipug: sure seems mad
nubbins`: jcpham: i sold one two weeks ago for 6btc
jcpham: FARK
chipug: thanks benkay that's advice i can use at least
jcpham: i hate this internets
nubbins`: jcpham, i still have 3 or 4 more to sell
nubbins`: it's not too late for you
benkay: it'll explain your experience here today.
benkay: maybe.
chipug: no wonder folk don't hang around this community, i was right the first time
Duffer1: i would wait until next month to buy one hehe
jcpham: sorry i sold everything for dogecoin weeks ago
jcpham: I'M RICH NOW BRO
nubbins`: chipug: i hope they don't make dogecoin illegal next :(
nubbins`: Duffer1: sounds good, the price should be higher by then :D
Duffer1: ^.^
chipug: nubbins`: ok, good for you?
jcpham: stay away from the log chipug, itsatrap
nubbins`: chipug: now who's being rude? ;(
chipug: nubbins`: treat those how you want to be treated back
nubbins`: anyway, we're only giving you a hard time because you've incorrectly identified something that isn't a problem as being a huge problem
kakobrekla: where can i send you all my coins chipug
nubbins`: no hard feelings, toughen up, etc :)
ThickAsThieves: I'm spreading the word of MPEX to the Tradingview.com crowd
chipug: ok nubbins, maybe you couldve just said: think you are worrying unecessarily like benjay did
jcpham: kakobrekla is also pretty close to the top of the blockchain
chipug: benkay* sorry
ThickAsThieves: "didn't even know this existed"
nubbins`: chipug: but then how would i keep up the appearance of being an asshole?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: How many threads do they have on Doge?
chipug: does ignore work on irc?
nubbins`: yeah, /ignore nick
blg: lol
nubbins`: e.g. /ignore nubbins`
lippoper: Doge is pretty awesome
dub: this is quite the accelerated noob cycle
lippoper: falling down soo hard
nubbins`: dub, that's the future for ya
dub: Hi I need help, fuck you all im ignoring you
nubbins`: hahah
lippoper: 138 satoshis today, 2 days ago 186
lippoper: still, nothing we haven't seen before
nubbins`: click on a user's nickname and press alt-f4 to permanently ignore them
lippoper: but it's fun to see the noobs panic selling
lippoper: and profitable
chipug: doesn't work for me
dub: lippoper: still 186 times more than its worth
nubbins`: chipug, are you on windows?
chipug: for my sins!
lippoper: dub: that's like saying bitcoin is still worth 800 times more than its worth
dub: we should continue thi sin #dogecoin
ThickAsThieves: good idea
ThickAsThieves: after you
dub: shh
lippoper: (4:09:14 PM) lippoper: dub: Rub-a-dub-dub, dogecoins to da moon!
ThickAsThieves: of course another crowd is scared of mpex... "OK well this makes no sense to me, maybe someone can help me here? I just want to verify the trade is all. Nothing on that page even says bitcoin lol"
dub: wheres the css?
ThickAsThieves: add a Bitcoin logo
ThickAsThieves: or BIT.COIN
jurov: so, these whale options have breakeven around 850?
jurov: seems benkay again provided me with wrong formulas
benkay: fail everywhere
mike_c: yes, they break even around 850
jurov: instead of (strike / (1 + buyprice)) / lotsize it's (strike/lotsize)/(1+(buyprice/lotsize))
lippoper: he suckered you
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
jurov: let's bribe nanotube to fix it
jurov: oh that's mpexbot not gribble
jurov: $tivker --avg
jurov: $ticker --avg
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --avg
gribble: 929.79764
jurov: eh
ThickAsThieves: so mpex still uses goxprice
mircea_popescu: chipug sure.
nubbins`: because gox is best
jurov: they used 848.37 on opex. that isn't gox price
mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
chipug: hi mircea_popescu sorry, what i miss there?
gribble: 852.02
ThickAsThieves: "crikey! I'd like to cover this on Cryptocoins News can I contact you tomorrow about this?" mircea_popescu, I gave him your contact info
lippoper: !bait
dub: crikey!
lippoper: !crikey!
dub: wheres vexual
mircea_popescu: chipug you wanted someone up the pole or w/e, you're talking to him. now what ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah htey found me.
chipug: oh i'm really sorry mircea_popescu apparently, there's no point and i should just shut up
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, uses the bitcoincharts usd avg
mircea_popescu: which i think still includes gox
mircea_popescu: chipug don't take what ppl say to heart eh. if nobody knows you and you behave "weird" you'll get trollbaited.
kingofsports: hello all.
ThickAsThieves: wait USD avg cant be that high
jurov: gox pulls it up
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --avg
gribble: 929.79605
assbot: 123!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [-]
kingofsports: mircea i saw the large option purchase on btctalk...it looks like it was puts being bought not calls as u said in chat.
chipug: thanks mircea_popescu, still a bit wide eyed in life has to be said. explanation: gvt are investigating bitcoin in scotland and the procurator fiscals have decided its bad and dodgy etc etc and they are having another conference. I had wondered if it might help if someone explained where they are wrong
ThickAsThieves: it was Puts being sold
kingofsports: since when is assbot connected to havelock?
ThickAsThieves: since ages
mircea_popescu: chipug well, if they want to listen, sure.
the20year1: Quite a while
kingofsports: ah cool
the20year1: although it doesn't get all their trades
jurov: So they sold puts to mpoebot?
ThickAsThieves: as i understand it
kakobrekla: what do you mean it doest get all their trades?!
mircea_popescu: kingofsports puts sold short = long play, which is what i said.
ThickAsThieves: he means it doesnt print tiny ones in this chan
chipug: really? happily noted
kingofsports: so wait...i thought he bought the option to buy like 5-10k btc if price falls below 500 or whatever he chose (some 470 445 and 410). how is this a long play?
mircea_popescu: o, that. so go to #bitcoin-assets-trades for all the dust.
mircea_popescu: kingofsports mno, he sold puts.
jurov: either they got margin from mp or they needed 50k collateral O.o
kingofsports: to who? mpex buys puts? i thought u just wrote them
kingofsports: so your betting BTC prices fall below $500.
benkay: "market maker" is the term of art kingofsports
chipug: is it possible for one country to ban bitcoin and everyone else use it still or would others just follow suit you think?
benkay: chipug: again, don't think in terms of people doing stuff to bitcoin. bitcoin is here, and the world must now deal with it. that in now way entails saying no to the changes it will bring.
kingofsports: how long is the option good for?
benkay: kingofsports: options called out with a T are for this month, N for next.
jurov: Feb 28
kingofsports: mpex paid him .488 per BTC for a 30 day option for $500 or below...that seems like way too much.
jurov: it's in need of rewrite but basic info is there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i think kingofsports got the denomination wrong
mircea_popescu: kingofsports they all expire last fri of month
kingofsports: it said 1000 @ .488 = 488 btc
kingofsports: for the $500 one.
mike_c: it's $5,000
kakobrekla: not per BTC
jurov: yes but the strike is actually 5000 USD/BTC
mircea_popescu: technically the lot is .1 but same effect.
kingofsports: this shit is so confusing. on mpoe it says $500 strike price. put option. a put cant be a strike price above the current price...2nd why would mpex pay .488 BTC per 1 BTC option for $5000 strike price. that is an insane fee. i wouldnt pay more than 0.05
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.000931 = 20.7148 BTC [+] {4}
mike_c: kingofsports:
kakobrekla: kingofsports thats why you dont have 5k btc or w/e
kakobrekla: yees mike is more helpful
mike_c: i'm in a good mood today
mircea_popescu: kingofsports the losts are .1 btc dood.
kakobrekla: its a dBTC denomination
kakobrekla: took it after Bit4x
kakobrekla: bastard.
Duffer1: kingofsports the ticker would read 050 if the strike was 500$
mike_c: no, they are lots of 100 hBTC
Duffer1: 500 is 5000$
kingofsports: okay got the 5000 down.
ThickAsThieves: yes, the extra 0 costs mpex too much
mircea_popescu: 0s are the most expensive part of finance.
mike_c: bandwidth isn't free
mircea_popescu: rest is easy.
kingofsports: now what is 1000 @ .488 = 488 BTC mean? No way mpex bought that option for 488 BTC.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2}
kingofsports: I'd sell that option anyday. 400% gain in price in 30 days. VERY doubtful.
mircea_popescu: kingofsports mpoe bot bought 1k lots of .1 btc for .488 each, worth 488 total
kingofsports: so for .488 BTC you have the ability to buy how many BTC option wise for $5000 should it reach that pricew?
kakobrekla: 22:33.28 ( kingofsports ) I'd sell that option anyday. 400% gain in price in 30 days. VERY doubtful. < never happend in btc, ever.
kingofsports: thats why kako. if mpoe wants that option for such a huge gain id offer it.
mircea_popescu: kingofsports, calculate for me the present value of one put option on 1 btc struck at 5000 dollars.
kingofsports: .488 BTC
mircea_popescu: calculate it, dun copy/paste numbers at me
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: what's this, school ?
kingofsports: according to your site its .488 BTC for 1 BTC option.
kingofsports: for 30 days, $5000 strike.
mircea_popescu: never mind that. this is a basic skill, calculating present value of options. do so.
jurov: ;;calc (5000-852)/852
gribble: 4.86854460094
mike_c: brown nose ;)
kingofsports: (5000-800)/(800-(.48 x 800)
mircea_popescu: so there you have it, jurov enables cheating and thus ensuring people never learn anything.
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
kingofsports: guess im wrong.
mircea_popescu: puts present value is (strike - spot) / spot.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, a 1 btc put struck at 5k is worth tm about 4.86 btc.
mircea_popescu: since these are .1 btc lots, they sold for .488
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3060 @ 0.00092406 = 2.8276 BTC [-]
mike_c: i always think of it as (strike / spot) - 1
mike_c: value - cost
kingofsports: its a put at 5000 oh.
kingofsports: i thought u couldnt offer a put when the strike price is below current price.
jurov: and why is mpoe buying them at present value?
mircea_popescu: mike_c that also works. it's really basic fractions after all.
kingofsports: i mean above
mike_c: yeah, just a different mental model
kingofsports: strike price above current price. thought that would only be a call type option.
mircea_popescu: jurov apparently mpoe doesn't think 852 is the number.
the20year1: I think everything is approved at havelock now mike_c
mike_c: time value!
the20year1: Should be releasing shares Friday
kakobrekla: be careful TO spend it before it hits 4k
mike_c: it's basically buying them at present value and paying nothing for time value
mircea_popescu: mike_c it paid a little!
mike_c: yes, a little
jurov: but if price will get > 850 on opex mpoe will lose
jurov: and if it will be ~ 1400 it will be ~50% loss
jurov: poor bondholder
mike_c: mpoe doesn't have to wait til the end to exercise
mike_c: any time between now and then that it's profitable it can close (and does)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 8.30025573 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 276 satoshi per share
jurov: mike_c: right, hope they manage
mircea_popescu: chipug welcome to finance! it IS a different language.
mircea_popescu: see here :
chipug: hahaha i love the url already! thanks mircea_popescu!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 262 @ 0.00081996 = 0.2148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.003 = 0.288 BTC [+]
mike_c: the20year1: good to hear, congrats.
chipug: I'm a fan of any article that references herding cats, but aside from that, I don't aspire to move or shake, just learn. also, does someone proof for you mircea_popescu?
mike_c: no time for copyediting at the rate he publishes.
chipug: i like the site btw
chipug: lol mike_c
mircea_popescu: mike_c no actually there's a girl reading my shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jesus the new blockchain logo is fugly.
Duffer1: yea it's pretty aweful
mircea_popescu: why do people do this
mircea_popescu: next they'll put a penguin up there or some emu or something
ThickAsThieves: why do they have it in that retarded boat shape
Duffer1: like they halfassed a QRcodefont
ThickAsThieves: they forgot it was only boat-shaped to fit the silly cube from the prior logo
mircea_popescu: hahaha i guess so!
mircea_popescu: which cube was already a descend into suck, as their prev logo was still better
jurov: i must have been asleep when i published that... what is a / (1 / b) equal to?
jurov: oh kingofsports is away
jurov: at least benkay is here? try redeem yourself :D
ThickAsThieves: look at all the lisp clojure biteasy.com
ThickAsThieves: "BitcoinJ is widely used across the Bitcoin community; some users include Bitcoin Wallet for Android, MultiBit, Hive, blockchain.info, the biteasy.com block explorer (written in Lisp!), Circle, Neo/Bee (Cypriot payment network), bitpos.me, Bitcoin Touch, BlueMatt's relay network and DNS crawler, academic advanced contracts research and more."
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
mircea_popescu: benkay ^ check that shit out
ozbot: Twitter / Wu_Tang_Finance: CRYPTOCURRENCIES RULE EVERYTHING ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00092836 = 10.212 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: #derpfinance trending yet ?
benkay: wu tang finance is inferior white people in blackface
benkay: you have to be an american jew to do that black music well, or actually grow up in the ghetto.
ozbot: Request for information for lawsuit against Michael Marquardt / Theymos : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: headline should be "Things Heat Up for Thermos"
mircea_popescu: lol if they knew the words, yeah.
BingoBoingo: "Thermos keeps things hot"
ThickAsThieves: Thermos Gives Cold Shoulder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28957 @ 0.00093169 = 26.9789 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: additionally on the bitcoinj topic, the litecoin folks have put together some funds to hire someone to port it to litecoin.
dub: ThickAsThieves: pot holes in ur blog too eh
benkay: do we like hearn?
chipug: loved the thermos thing
chipug: he never responded to that did he?
jurov: he responded on earlier reddit post it's linked there
ozbot: Twitter / jgarzik: Decentralized #bitcoin auction ...
dub: garzik saves
ThickAsThieves: <dub> ThickAsThieves: pot holes in ur blog too << i skim, and 2dopeboyx
ThickAsThieves: 2dopeboyz*
chipug: woah jurov i was meaning the thermos typo and the ensuing piss takes. didn't know MNW was back bumping his gums
jurov: gums? lol
mircea_popescu: benkay we despise hearn.
benkay: mircea_popescu: 'cause google?
ThickAsThieves: i dont despise him
mircea_popescu: nah, cause mole.
BingoBoingo: benkay: The anti-fungibility and other stuff
mircea_popescu: pretty much what he's doing is trying to fuck up bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: i barely know him though
mircea_popescu: not sometimes. always.
jcpham: oh lolololol is MNW
jcpham: can't take that guy seriously
benkay: oh he's behind the antifungibility song and dance?
mircea_popescu: hearn is the guy that answered experimentally the usg's question as to "what happens in case of major bitcoin fork ?"
benkay: sounds like assume bitcoinj is trash, in that case.
mircea_popescu: by creating one.
ThickAsThieves: Hearn is the kinda guy that tells Amazon they should do drone delivery system
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, that's what he pretends to be.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, he's the anti-snowden.
mircea_popescu: benkay worth a read in any case.
benkay: doubtless
ThickAsThieves: Hearn at least hates Mastercoin
ThickAsThieves: he has that going for him
ThickAsThieves: is Mastercoin and Open Transactions the same guy?
BingoBoingo: benkay: You may be able to fork and earlier version of BitcoinJ. Whatever runs Multibit 0.5.11 seems... The least bad SPV option. SatoshiDice had been running off of an older BitcoinJ for quite some time.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Different guys.
ThickAsThieves: Auction Punk ay?
ThickAsThieves: it's 5mos old!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15065 @ 0.00092836 = 13.9857 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lolwut, mnw wants his forum donation bacxk ?
benkay: this punk thing was cool when kdrake put his together. auctionpunk is just shameless derping.
mircea_popescu: this will be a trending topic. "hey guise remember me ? i donated 0.35 btc to your project in 2010.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i lost all my btc playing dice sites and being scammed on cantina marketplace
mircea_popescu: but since btc is now 100000000 billionz
mircea_popescu: can i have my donation back and be like a rich guy ?"
ThickAsThieves: sure, here are your dollarvalues from back then!
mike_c: i hate that reasoning. like snackman saying "now i was scammed for $100k!"
mircea_popescu: "cocksuckers coming to bitcoin" more like it.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Basically the difference is Open Transactions guy started his thing in 2012 and pretty much only knotwork uses it. Mastercoin guy announed his thing in 2013 and... Profit!
ThickAsThieves: why dont they just mate?
mircea_popescu: was before 2012
mircea_popescu: i sponsored it with some btc in 2012 iirc and it was ancient then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.129 = 1.161 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c at least gives kids something to do. rather than them keeping track of the pretend value of their "investments"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1243 = 0.2486 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't know the exact open transactions birthdate, but it seems older than me
mircea_popescu: they keep track of the pretend value of their "scams"
mircea_popescu: i think it's 2011
mircea_popescu: early. 2011.
mike_c: hah, yeah. there's even a website for it isn't there? btc sob stories.
ozbot: Dogecoin community raises money to send service dogs to kids and families in need | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: these dogecoiners are pretty slimey
ozbot: WARNING: PAYPAL STARTED MASSIVE ACCOUNT BAN ON ANYTHING BITCOIN RELATED
mircea_popescu: btw, if you're in the btc/paypal game :
mircea_popescu: apparently they're going nuts over there.
mircea_popescu: "Dogecoin Control Group is running out of retarded sacharine stories to pump their scammy coin. Strangely, the "defraud early investors" thing they pulled yest isn't mentioned"
jcpham: i personally dump dogecoin daily
jcpham: total pump/dump
jcpham: might as well float these dogecoiners on for awhile though
ozbot: Fee deducted from the transferred amount. Insane.
mircea_popescu: this is the lol of al ltime
chipug: I wanted to see how pool mining worked, so I used doge. then i was given some. I don't know what i should be doing with them
ThickAsThieves: you should be selling them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.12310001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: chipug anything that doesn't involve you trading anything you value for them
jcpham: i trade it for btc and encourage others to do the same
chipug: i only have 2041 (lol the 41 was my mining experiment)
jcpham: that's like an hours worth
mircea_popescu: anyone here got a hashcoins asci thingee ?
chipug: yeah i was satisfied at that point
chipug: i just wanted to do the process
mircea_popescu: chipug on an optimistic view they're worth like a bitcent or two.
mircea_popescu: "Your words are nothing but attempt to darken our company. "
BingoBoingo: chipug: Go on Bitcointalk and trade your Doge for Altcoin
ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org
chipug: urgh but btctalk man
mircea_popescu: alt miners take doge ?!
ThickAsThieves: good question
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Only one way to find out...
chipug: is this your one ThickAsThieves?
ThickAsThieves: yes and no
ThickAsThieves: it's mine in that it happened cuz me
ThickAsThieves: but i dont own it
ThickAsThieves: or any Altcoins
BingoBoingo: Any way this electronic Doge thing has been happening for a long time nao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBO
chipug: should i take that as a negative flag?!
ozbot: ******* EXPOSED FRAUD WARNING **************
mircea_popescu: dub you gotta read that one.
mircea_popescu: HIS CRIME
mircea_popescu: 1. BULLSHIT
mircea_popescu: 2. MORE BULLSHIT
mircea_popescu: 3. EVEN MORE BULLSHIT
mircea_popescu: 4. CONMAN TRAITS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+]
dub: heh
ThickAsThieves: PROVE IT?Huh? OK
ThickAsThieves: NUMBER 1 BULLSHIT
chipug: i'm sorry guys but i see the forum like a daily soap or something. i can only find 8% serious
mircea_popescu: chipug that's exactly it.
mircea_popescu: we mine it for comedy gold.
jcpham: I wouldn't read the forum on any type of regular basis
jcpham: these guys do
chipug: it really is it times. i really wish i had seen the cosby coin fiasco
jcpham: that was classic
mircea_popescu: cosby coin fiascoed ?!
jcpham: I showed it to my boss and he was like WTF close the browser now
mircea_popescu: ono all my savings!
chipug: lol so wish i had seen it
jcpham: best .js i've seen in a hack in a few years
jcpham: entertaining
chipug: i prefer humour hacks
chipug: if any hacking needs to be done, at least add in something funny
chipug: they were all over the forum too werent they?
chipug: another issue i have with btctalk community is i find out later I've been speaking to the same person about a hundred times, no idea
chipug: just say who you are
ThickAsThieves: so make a wot forum
ThickAsThieves: with reputation filters
ozbot: Putin Critic Finds 200-Pound Wooden Cock On Roof Of Her BMW
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know about a year ago i made an invite only forum
ThickAsThieves: Click here to ignore all noobs
mircea_popescu: it died, because i didn't invite idiots and everyone got bored and went back to btctalk
ThickAsThieves: sounds about right
ThickAsThieves: people need at least the option of idiots
mircea_popescu: tbh im really happy with this solution
ThickAsThieves: but IRC aint so bad for edutainment
mircea_popescu: the forum's overthere, mpoe-pr sends me the nuggets...
chipug: BingoBoingo: i like how the mother in the background isn't caring about her young child, too busy snapping the giant cock in front of them both.
benkay: children should be more frequently exposed to genitalia.
BingoBoingo: chipug: Well, good parents realize they have to let their children fall and realize ice is slick
chipug: we just killed our site to get rid of the arseholes
chipug: quiet while we build it back up
chipug: i wasn't thinking on the falling, more the giant cock in front of her
chipug: "mum, why doesn't our car have a huge penis on it?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 739 @ 0.00082103 = 0.6067 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "ask your dad"
chipug: lolololol
ozbot: Journalists at Sochi are live-tweeting their hilarious and gross hotel experiences
chipug: there is a forum coming, in a while
kakobrekla: goats thing?
chipug: crypto finance forum with a private section
chipug: nope
chipug: no goats, i don't know him
mircea_popescu: young padawan.
chipug: are you meaning trolly goat from btctalk?
kakobrekla: he is doing something of the sort
chipug: the forum does present this weird thing of knowing who people are without ever having spoken to them. like when you know people at school just from attending the same building
KRS-: Lol they be trippin over the logo and shit.
chipug: holy shit preev. the forum really has 4.5 mil???
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 880 @ 0.02475688 = 21.7861 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: here comes another wave?
ozbot: Twitter / bitcoin_txt: I informed the manager and ...
mircea_popescu: so everyone's decided upupuo ?
kakobrekla: well no, the treasurers have that
KRS-: ThickAsThieves: What is it about ATC that allows everyone to finally focus on ONE coin? Looks like you just added another.
mircea_popescu: 15th standard
benkay: reason fifteen million bitcoin is not consumer tech
chipug: amazing how all these people who were like fuck LTC are lining up their doge wallets nicely underneath their btc addresses for tips
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: gotta keep those quarter cents flowing
chipug: do you guys all trade as your primary business?
ThickAsThieves: formerly mostly
chipug: sorry if nosy
dub: lolrussia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13948 @ 0.00093045 = 12.9779 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: chipug, no, not everyone trades as primary biz
kakobrekla: i dont know if anyone does that at all
mircea_popescu: $t m ^oix
mircea_popescu: !t m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 98.04225811 / 97.72401779 (894 shares, 22.39 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: <KRS-> ThickAsThieves: What is it about ATC that allows everyone to finally focus on ONE coin? Looks like you just added another. <<<< No, I shifted the paradigm.
chipug: what do you do kakobrekla?
truffles: eats cows
truffles: and pigs
mircea_popescu: i'm starting a donation.
mircea_popescu: to clothe the czechs.
mircea_popescu: there are very many sad czech ppl because no clothes at the moment
KRS-: ew
ThickAsThieves: and feed while youre at it
chipug: 1. dude she needs to trim the minge mullets she has going on down there and 2. why the fuck is she outside?!
KRS-: ThickAsThieves: so its the final altcoin for everyone to concentrate on it because you say it is?
chipug: im thinner than that atm :'(
ThickAsThieves: it's not for me to say
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: chipug i got asked that same question about an hour ago. i said "nothing."
KRS-: I don't see that it serves a purpose, unless I'm missing something.
ThickAsThieves: have you missed things before?
KRS-: of course
ThickAsThieves: well, there ya go!
chipug: must be interesting if two people ask in an hour though right kakobrekla?
diametric: so i was informed of altcoin today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00012305 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: KRS- you prolly missed my comments earlier. grep for straight man story
diametric: my body is ready
KRS-: ok
kakobrekla: chipug new people do that to you
chipug: mircea_popescu: how old is this pic? looks 70s 80s
mircea_popescu: diametric you gonna carry it to term ?
truffles: chipug is your balls smooth shaved?
mircea_popescu: chipug 2011
diametric: mircea_popescu: absolutely
KRS-: lol lark
KRS-: ..
ThickAsThieves: the question is
ThickAsThieves: Do you even mine Altcoin?
chipug: truffles: i don't shave. can't stand the stubble. epilation ftw my balls are as smooth as the day you were born
KRS-: thanks haha
KRS-: and cheers to ThickAsThieves
truffles: hmmm
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "do you even altmine coin" you mean.
chipug: i dunno truffles lol i dont have any balls
KRS-: lol fag?
KRS-: or vag
chipug: unich
KRS-: hehe
chipug: she has nice bewbs that chick mircea_popescu swear the cars look super old though!!!
truffles: there's a harem somewhere needing of ur care
chipug: thanks ThickAsThieves you know, i typed it and was sitting thinking, that doesn't look right
kakobrekla: truffles gotta slaughter a pig as the right of passage for that
truffles: make it 3
ThickAsThieves: well, we're all wrong
ThickAsThieves: it's Eunuch
chipug: it's ok! we can sleep tonight now we know for certain!
pankkake: gnu's not unich
ThickAsThieves: time for the daily ticks report!
benkay: nice pankkake
truffles: what did he make cake?
truffles: id like some
herbijudlestoids: ok...so does anyone actually want the daily ticks report? :P
herbijudlestoids: i dun wanna spam it if people dont care
herbijudlestoids: ok...20 tick return dist, volatility, DPO and volume http://imgur.com/q3hWvua,foEGS3c,g9VpbGm,OkRuf5A
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 243 @ 0.000824 = 0.2002 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i wonder if i can make herbijudlestoids draw a nice gaussian curve or maybe even a hockey stick
chipug: wow /r/bitcoin is just turning into btctalk in a different coat
pankkake: it was always worse
kakobrekla: without him knowing ofc.
kakobrekla: or is that just too evil
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: i doubt it :)
kakobrekla: well i doubt i couldnt yea
kakobrekla: but i guess the collateral damage is too great.
herbijudlestoids: to draw a normal distribution youd need to eliminate points from the dataseries, to kill off the tails
kakobrekla: but i can make up any arbitrary new center of the gauss
herbijudlestoids: and lets say whatever plan you come up with has an unintended consequence which leads to a vol spike, fat tails again :P
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: What about tits? First get him to draw 4 tits, and then make them bigger tits.
herbijudlestoids: sure you can, but how will you actually do that in the market
herbijudlestoids: im skeptical :)
kakobrekla: i dont have to do it on the market ;)
herbijudlestoids: cryptic vagueness always helps me feel like i know wtf
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: He runs assbot...
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids sure.
herbijudlestoids: lucky im about to switch to the RSS feed :P
kakobrekla: you spoiler you
mircea_popescu: people spam naked ladies all the time, what's some bars.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 46 @ 0.00286013 = 0.1316 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake that shit's epic, they manage to have an entire subreddit dedicated to bitcoinstocks including no actual bitcoin stocks.
mircea_popescu: i guess it must be because of all the beef they eat that includes no beef.
kakobrekla: vegan blood sausages
herbijudlestoids: shame there is no listed options on MPOE
herbijudlestoids: it would be great to calculate an MPVIX
mircea_popescu: well... wannabe exchanges too busy listing crap.
mircea_popescu: maybeoneday.jpg
ozbot: Ukyo & ActM forms? : BitcoinStocks
herbijudlestoids: S&P500 looking ugly down from highs, but my systemic risk indicator still claiming its a healthy regime...
herbijudlestoids: anyone thoughts on the regular economy for this year?
mircea_popescu: it's the end of regular economy, this year.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Invert all of the GDPs
herbijudlestoids: i dun think the GDP forecasts for this year are pretty
herbijudlestoids: i think world GDP forecast <2.5%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81052 @ 0.00093378 = 75.6847 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: can someone load www.havelockinvestments.com currently?
ThickAsThieves: it stalls on me constantly
ThickAsThieves: i think cloudflare hate me
herbijudlestoids: stalling here
mircea_popescu: cloudflare is one of the worst things that happened to the internet recently.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people were so derpy about sopa,
mircea_popescu: it wasn't nearly as bad as cloudflare.
pankkake: NSAFlare*
mircea_popescu: 2% ? fucking hell, they cost money and do nothing.
mircea_popescu: the same asswipe public that keeps forcing isps to do these "unlimited" bs deals and "everything for fiddy cents" and so on
mircea_popescu: those same people turn around and pay cloudlfare to... hijack their dns and talk about "rays'
dub: wat
dub: rays wat
mircea_popescu: dub sorry your message couldn't be delivered because clourflare. ray id 98759847
dub: ohj
pankkake: 2% what?
mircea_popescu: pankkake the recent netcraft report actually fucking mentions cloudflare
pankkake: oh…
pankkake: cloudflare is mostly free by the way
mircea_popescu: because that's why i read netcraft reports, for bullshit product placement.
pankkake: well, paid by the NSA
mircea_popescu: i'm so sick of this pretend fiat capitalism thing they do.
mircea_popescu: pankkake i wonder if i could get tor through cloudflare on an amazon server ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 317 @ 0.01531827 = 4.8559 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hi philip
nubbins`: philip is just a test name
mircea_popescu: lol i was thinking the same thing
kakobrekla: menstrual cycles all synced up
mircea_popescu: i didn't know you still had menstruation in frigid slovenia.
Bugpowder: 21,000BTC short ITM puts?
herbijudlestoids: ok what about Dec 30 2014 BTCUSD price prediction
Steve__: thats a lot of puts
kakobrekla: herbijudlestoids bitbet does that
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
kakobrekla: told ya, its synced up
kakobrekla: -assets are now one
mircea_popescu: bitcoincube
kakobrekla: a few more days and ill set it to +m , we do not need to converse any longer
mircea_popescu: #trilema is +m
mircea_popescu: nice and peaceful
kakobrekla: but there you got all that pussy voices
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw you gotta go tyhrough the bash queue
ThickAsThieves: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 317 @ 0.01531827 = 4.8559 BTC [-] <<< Bugpowder wants to play
mircea_popescu: haha is it ?
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: heavy lel @ that action bronson video
nubbins`: what sort of security guard pops up on stage and shoves the performer?
ThickAsThieves: that dude sure knows how to rap too
nubbins`: after the second shove back, i think the guard realized he was in too deep
ThickAsThieves: yeah, some force there
nubbins`: funny tho, crowd tossing joints up on stage
ThickAsThieves: looked like he might sprout horns and charge
nubbins`: he lights them and throws them back
ThickAsThieves: people have started conspirati to say he hires people to make shit like that happen at his shows
ThickAsThieves: not the first time apparently
ThickAsThieves: either way, nice troll then
ozbot: Action Bronson - "Strictly 4 My Jeeps" (Official Video) - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: like MF Doom sending impersonators to play for him
nubbins`: more badass than 90% of rap videos
nubbins`: hahah yeah
nubbins`: imagine that
nubbins`: such a burn
nubbins`: reminds me of when billy corgan let it slip that he didn't like the way his band played on siamese dream
nubbins`: so he re-recorded all their parts himself
nubbins`: "hey, remember that landmark piece of pop culture history that you thought you were a part of?"
nubbins`: "well, turns out you're just a name in the liner notes"
ThickAsThieves: we did that in our band once
ThickAsThieves: stakes werent nearly as high
Bugpowder: Seems like a pretty cheap price
chipug: my client freaked out. someone swore and mentioned cloudflare
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04948998 = 0.2474 BTC [-]
chipug: peta?
nubbins`: some mining turd
nubbins`: peta being an SI prefix, not an acronym
dub: ThickAsThieves: kinda like vengaboys throwing wads of cash into crowds
dub: but different
kakobrekla: lol mircea_popescu, endoftheworld.swf outside, 4 days bash queue UNACEPTABRU
kakobrekla: anyway flushed
dub: its just a big of climate change, chill out
dub: bit*
kakobrekla: chill out? its already cool.
ozbot: A LAND BASED CASINO IN CYPRUS IS NOW ACCEPTING BITCOIN | Play With Coin
dub: land based casino
herbijudlestoids: dub: yea as opposed to the floating ones in macau :)
ThickAsThieves: air casino been taking btc
asciilifeform: what next, the floating, then orbiting casinos?
kakobrekla: is dat local area netword daemon '
kakobrekla: network*
ThickAsThieves: floating ones on cruises too
kakobrekla: aww i been boarded
herbijudlestoids: the floating casinos in macau are not very good imho
herbijudlestoids: i was in HK not long ago for work
ozbot: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD - YouTube
kakobrekla: yeah they should do bigint casino
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: thx! i saw a tweet about it and wanted to watch
dub: fuck dat is?
nubbins`: ah, i remember nye vs ham
nubbins`: that's today?
asciilifeform: what qualifies as 'bigint casino'? All bets must be >= 2^64 + 1 ?
ThickAsThieves: Ham is going ham
asciilifeform: or rather, >= 2^65
nubbins`: i like his slides
nubbins`: "see? the seven Cs"
nubbins`: AHH OK I GET IT
ThickAsThieves: it's like debate via ermahgerd
ThickAsThieves: like i couldnt even debate this guy
ThickAsThieves: cuz i'd hate him for making me take these words seriously
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20782 @ 0.00093713 = 19.4754 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: if you acknowledge sin you can make better computer chips
ThickAsThieves: tell reddit!
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> lol mircea_popescu, endoftheworld.swf outside, 4 days bash queue UNACEPTABRU <<<
ThickAsThieves: JesusErupter
mircea_popescu: that's just how we roll.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i hear that was mary magdalene.
dub: kakobrekla needs to show more commitment to the team
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: This is Activemining Ken, the one based in Springfield Missouri?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Jesus erupters guy.
ThickAsThieves: i'm refering to Ham
dub: is he drunk?
ThickAsThieves: talking about how if we accept jesus we can make better tech
ThickAsThieves: so maybe more hashes!
pankkake: jesus multiplies hashes
ThickAsThieves: turns water into whine
BingoBoingo: But Jesus preaches flatness and poverty. Satan though teaches structure and efficiency. Has he read the Divine Comedy? Hell is nothing if not organized.
mircea_popescu: more like "our delivery would be nothing short of miraculous at this pooint "
kakobrekla: hashes are like prayers, you dont know what god will use them for as you dont know what Luke-Jr will use them for
dub: havent seen much on the bitcoin is the devils one world currency tip
jayk: win 3
mircea_popescu: no, you kinda know what luje will use them for.
mircea_popescu: you just don't really wanna think about it.
dub: unless raping your own children is your deal
Luke-Jr: still trolling hard in here, I see.
nubbins`: ^ he's talking about nye vs ham
mircea_popescu: what's a nye ?
nubbins`: bill nye, the science guy!
dub: its a bill
Luke-Jr: a hardcore evolutionist would-be dictator
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you linespoiler you :D
pankkake: I thought it was coin nye
mircea_popescu: this was the perfect plot in my head : dub says its a bill, pankake says i thought its a coin
mircea_popescu: now you gotta go ruin my dictatorsheep.
nubbins`: we'll have to work on our timing
dub: Luke-Jr says evilldooer
mircea_popescu: why, is luke dutch ?
nubbins`: maybe if he smoked some dutch he'd figure a few things out ;(
dub: try not to die in a fire xx
nubbins`: wait a minute, i wasn't doing that before.
pankkake: my head is kinda eating itself
nubbins`: chewing your hair doesn't count
dub: mircea_popescu: please tell me you've seen Nell
dub: jodie foster at her most fuckable
mircea_popescu: i have not seen nell.
nubbins`: this bill nye thing is great
dub: get to it ffs
nubbins`: because he used to have a show explaining science to kids
nubbins`: and today he's explaining it to sub-human mouth breathers
mircea_popescu: dub i have added it to the list of films the girls will be stealing
mircea_popescu: because they wouldn't download a multiplex, or a car.
dub: perfect casting too, all she had to do was act retarded!
ThickAsThieves: tayaya inna weeen!
nubbins`: you can actually see the people in the crowd who just aren't listening
nubbins`: tough crowd
ozbot: Dogecoin Just Solved A Problem Bitcoin Will Face - Business Insider
Duffer1: chocked full of comedy
dub: lol
BingoBoingo: Dogecoin and Business Insider were made for each other.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 "how to spend money you don't have to pay people nobody reads to say ridiculously stupid shit which is how they got to not be read in the first place" ?
mircea_popescu: we've long solved this problem really.
mircea_popescu: you take two professional joggers and dress them up in facebook polo shirts.
herbijudlestoids: hey Duffer1: on your advice i made the thing into a blog post...aside from a kind word from jurov the response was pretty underwhelming :P http://bitquant.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/just-dice-kelly-criterion-sensitivity.html
mircea_popescu: " That's a lot to pay for a single Bitcoin for someone just entering the market. "
dub: this is why we ignore australia
mircea_popescu: seriously, this is what they write now.
pankkake: "Money, like every commodity, works best when the supply can adjust efficiently to the demand." that is EXACTLY bernankoin
pankkake: doge is still inflating less each year
pankkake: in percent
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's fascinating how they completely gloss over the part where one group (the scammers behind it) stole the resources of the rest of the people involved (every idiot that bought some, mined some, or pumped it up until two days ago)
mircea_popescu: this happens, of course, tol ALSO be exactly how "normal" fiat currencies like the dollar operate.
mircea_popescu: fuck you granpa, so you've worked for thirty years to make the us work ? here's some inflation. enjoy your fixed income.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that this will continue happening i nthe future, arbitrarily, is like... splendeed.
herbijudlestoids: its worse than that mircea_popescu because not all granpas get it equal
nubbins`: whenever bill nye mentions science, he makes a gesture that indicates he's talking about things that happen outside the building he's in
mircea_popescu: ofcourse.
herbijudlestoids: if you started on the fixed income 10y ago, much better than 5y ago
Duffer1: herbijudlestoids sorry to hear that mate, do you plan to keep up with the blogging?
dignork: somebody wishes to co-rent with me seedbox account? it's 14EU/mo, but I want to pay only half of it.
dignork: lol, wrong window
herbijudlestoids: Duffer1: i am thinking of writing a piece on the "market implied EPS growth rate" of MPOE, but want to verify the data that i can see on btcalpha
Duffer1: i don't know if the audience for that manner of analysis is here yet in bitcoinland, but i bet it will be sometime
kakobrekla: pankkake how do bailouts work?
herbijudlestoids: well, i did implement one of my simple mean reversion models for MPOE too, maybe a "trade this and get rich quick" blog post will be more persuasive :P
Duffer1: yea lol that'd do it, even if your blog was hokus pokus magic it'd still be popular
herbijudlestoids: im not doing this for an audience or anything, its all a matter of incidental curiosity, but i thought your suggestion was nice :)
mike_c: herbijudlestoids: you have a question about the data on btcalpha?
mircea_popescu: did you just stick with braindamaged blogspot and then whine that nobody seems to have noticed ?
pankkake: kakobrekla: for now you have to bail yourself out by printing more
pankkake: no central authority
kakobrekla: thats no bailout
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lol well its not that nobody noticed, the post is *still* getting hits, was referring to a couple of the comments left on /r/BitCoin
pankkake: I'll take better ideas for YellenCoin
kakobrekla: bailout would mean no actual work was done pankkake
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: not a question so much as i dont know who runs/operates the website so i dunno if i can trust the data...just wanted to verify it myself
mike_c: i do.
mike_c: data is culled from monthly reports on trilema. if you want to verify yourself, there are links to all the monthly reports on the left rail of the stock page
herbijudlestoids: dont take offense, how was i supposed to know that :P
mike_c: no offense taken
mike_c: just trying to help
BingoBoingo: pankkake: For Yellencoin increase block reward as the square of the increase in mining difficulty?
nubbins`: i'd like to take a public-domain text and then typeset, silkscreen, and bind the entire thing by hand, but i'm having trouble choosing a book
nubbins`: not being religious, i can't think of a book i care enough about to put such an enormous amount of effort into
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids cause i told you like 3 days ago ?
kakobrekla: nubbins` how many pages
nubbins`: 'through the looking-glass' isn't long enough, know what i mean?
herbijudlestoids: that mike_c runs the website?
pankkake: maybe but still boring… maybe let the users "vote" on what should be the reward
nubbins`: kako, not sure. couple hundred max, maybe
herbijudlestoids: must have missed it
herbijudlestoids: benkay: hmmm is there a page on fpcomplete.com which explains what exactly fpcomplete is? :P
nubbins`: bonus points if it's something that a person might want to purchase at some point
kakobrekla: log is public domain
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Maybe do that with the Federalist Papers? For the lulz of selling fancy copies to gringos in the Estados Unidos from Canada.
nubbins`: kakobrekla, nice try ;p
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, federalist papers?
nubbins`: ah, i see
dub: the book of assets
nubbins`: log isn't really in a suitable format for books
dub: thousands of years after the great climate change cleansing a future civilisation will find it and build a religion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.12799999 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ok we do it
benkay: also, herbijudlestoids think bout blogging as a long term thing you do - not one-off shots that might bring some fame
BingoBoingo: dub: Or alien Archeologists.
herbijudlestoids: benkay: i srsly dun want any fame :)
benkay: mp suggested blogging as a series of notes to self, as one can't actually remember all the bullshit waded through over a significant period of time.
dub: I used to maintain a private wiki for that
nubbins`: kakobrekla: not to mention that most of log isn't worth saving in the first place ;p
herbijudlestoids: when i said "the response was underwhelming" what i meant was that for ~200 pageviews, there was only a couple of comments from parties and only some of those comments were interesting
kakobrekla: wekk a buttcoin can make you famous in a single post benkay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
kakobrekla: i dunno what wekk is doing there
benkay: tru nuff
kakobrekla: im in bed.
mike_c: 100:1 readers to commenters isn't bad
kakobrekla: nubbins` prolly still best coffe table book, ever.
nubbins`: so much chaff tho!
mike_c: you gotta include all the images though
nubbins`: nah see that won't work
nubbins`: could do line art
kakobrekla: as ascii
nubbins`: hm, a hand-bound book of ascii pornography
nubbins`: getting warmer...
herbijudlestoids: HAHAH ken ham!
herbijudlestoids: he has a chart, which explains to that *moron* bill nye, how moses was 500 years old
KRS-: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x1csq/an_analysis_on_huobicoms_popularity_vs_web/
herbijudlestoids: explains it all.
kakobrekla: ascii nekkid chicks with bash quoetes under
ozbot: An analysis on Huobi.com's popularity vs web traffic data. : Bitcoin
KRS-: oh hey ozbot
KRS-: .bait
nubbins`: kako that's actually not bad
KRS-: Now her butt is going to smell like that countertop.
kakobrekla: sign me up for one
nubbins`: fair warning, these will be expensive
kakobrekla: like arm and leg expensive?
nubbins`: well it depends on the number of pages
nubbins`: but on the scale of several hundred $ per copy
nubbins`: if it's any size
nubbins`: price decreases drastically with quantity, of cour
herbijudlestoids: ken ham is killing me
kakobrekla: any size?
dub: do all the john copypastas
dub: that shit cracks me up
nubbins`: sorry, if it's a significant number of pages :)
nubbins`: colloquialism
kakobrekla: bash is short
nubbins`: i'm thinking one ascii porn image per page
nubbins`: with say a couple of quotes
nubbins`: below or above
kakobrekla: 50 quotes or something
kakobrekla: 25 pages
jurov: illuminated letters?
nubbins`: 2 quotes per page
nubbins`: not bad
jurov: or how do they call them.. calligraphy
kakobrekla: well i was thinking more of - a paper has 2 sides
kakobrekla: or you doing one side only
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I assume this is going to be some sweet acid free cotton paper... For Archaeologists?
nubbins`: nah, double sided
nubbins`: just like a regular book
nubbins`: ah, i see, i was picturing a couple of quotes per image
dub: fuck that
dub: find something funny
nubbins`: well natch
nubbins`: it's not just assbot
nubbins`: okay, so who can produce ascii pornography?
dub: I may have a collection
asciilifeform: emacs, 'artist mode.'
nubbins`: yeah, would need to be original
nubbins`: can't lift existing art
nubbins`: i suppose we could comb bash for the quotes
nubbins`: could even grab some choice gems from the forum
kakobrekla: thats not good for dubs chi
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: if you google 'ascii art from images' there is plenty :)
herbijudlestoids: plenty of sites that convert images to ascii art, i mean, sorry
nubbins`: was about to say that's the same problem ;p
nubbins`: but yes, this is true
nubbins`: those generally produce enormous files tho
nubbins`: we're talking something that can fit on say an 8x10" page at 10-12pt font
herbijudlestoids: i cannot handle this fuckstick any longer
kakobrekla: stop with the slander
kakobrekla: n stuff
nubbins`: yeah, leave ken ham alone
nubbins`: he's had a bad day
herbijudlestoids: ken ham is my countries gift to the world :'(
nubbins`: can we re-gift him?
herbijudlestoids: no dude, no.
herbijudlestoids: lunchtiemz, banh mih i think
benkay: no gdp bets on bitbet eh
herbijudlestoids: maybe the bitcoin economy should get its own GDP and we can bet on that
jurov: if you can think how it would be measured...
nubbins`: ham is hamming it up now
dub: not going to work
dub: you'd be counting the same coin as its restolen over and over from the tardcircle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a year
herbijudlestoids: make a list of whats officially recognised final g/s and calculate then sum their MVs :P
herbijudlestoids: could be opinionated and start with just, say, bitstamp, bitpay and MPEX
jurov: mpex monthly profit would thengo into gdp?
jurov: you'd end with rather low estimate
antephialtic: or you could use the quantity theory of money to estimate it. Y = MV where Y is output, M is the size of the money supply, and V is the velocity of money. Both M and V are easily computed in the case of bitcoin
jurov: just ask MP, he designated himself as official recognizer of all things btc :D
Diablo-D3: yeah mp is just a troll
Diablo-D3: best to ignore him
chipug: who is still around?
copumpkin: not me, certainly
chipug: was hoping for some opinions
chipug: aw shame was really hoping you were still there copumpkin
chipug: :P
copumpkin: sorry!
dub: show switch
ron-: what are you showing?
dub: pnix
ron-: no!
ozbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib
dub: use image prim
dub: oh ffs
mircea_popescu: Μούσα, τραγούδα το θυμό του ξακουστού Αχιλέα,τον έρμο! etc
ron-: oh, that must be romanian?
mircea_popescu: no, that must be greek.
dub: thats quite the uri
ron-: aha
ron-: it does look greek i should know my character sets :`(
mircea_popescu: and you mustn't have liked it much in school.
ron-: only yogurt and greek goddesses
ron-: :-)
chipug: it looks really nice
BingoBoingo: The Illiad ron-
mircea_popescu: the first sentence.
chipug: in a subscription crypto service, what would you want as necessity?
mircea_popescu: what's the service ?
chipug: like motley
chipug: but crypto
dub: fuck is motly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
chipug: motley fool?
BingoBoingo: Like Trilema?
chipug: not really more interactive
mircea_popescu: <KRS-> Now her butt is going to smell like that countertop. << i'd be more worried about the reverse tbh
mircea_popescu: antephialtic how do you calculate bitcoinv?
mircea_popescu: trilema is not interactive ?!
BingoBoingo: Trilema get subscribers.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if memory serves that thing started as a blog and became subscription based after building a base
mircea_popescu: so do the same thing, write a lot of smart insightful stuff, once you have a ton of readers add a subscription, wait for the cheapskates to butthurt away and that's that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Don't forget the form for selling credits
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the doge folly makes me wonder, what the 'greater fleas' that must surely come, will look like.
asciilifeform: i can easily picture, for example, a 'revolutionary! amazing! genuinely Alt' coin, with subtly pre-broken crypto.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
asciilifeform: (it won't be ECC, it'll be some very spiffy looking lattice work or the like.)
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: bitcoin days destroyed is a decent estimate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's likely actually
mircea_popescu: antephialtic how do you reason to come to this conclusion ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00093713 = 13.3072 BTC [+]
chipug: thanks guys, you know mircea_popescu i think im currently in the waiting for the butthurt folk to piss off lol
asciilifeform: more likely than borked crypto is 'underhanded c contest' shenanigans.
mircea_popescu: what's your blog ?
BingoBoingo: antephialtic: What if someone moves 100K coins from one storage address to another to lessen the chance the coins are on an address that gets vanitygen'd
asciilifeform: once we get an 'alt-artist' who is actually conversant in basic c
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is somewhat like asking for a showgirl that's read the classics.
dub: I am disappoint that you're giving it air
asciilifeform: not a physical impossibility, by any means
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13499999 BTC [+]
dub: its just teh same old brain damage
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform merely a mental impossibility :)
mircea_popescu: dub i bet you 90% of the ppl who read it because it's about doge never heard of dump and dillute.
chipug: not a blog, its a chat site. i took on coinchat and totally changed direction. its a bit dead now
mircea_popescu: how can a chat site compete with irc ?!
dub: that trilemna articicle is the single biggest peice of press todate
chipug: cus we have pictures!
asciilifeform: i dare to predict: there will come a slick charlatan who will 'improve! the crypto!'
chipug: and cats
asciilifeform: subtle mathematical boojum in the signing, or, more cleverly, a mining shortcut
mircea_popescu: dub "life is sweat and blood and making love to a woman you don't know and nobody prints your name in trilema until the day you die"
asciilifeform: 'you read it here first'
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: actually that is incorrect. A better measure the amount of bitcoin transferred over a given period/the length of the time period. Very noisy measure, but using a larger time period smooths it out
antephialtic: * better measure is
mircea_popescu: how do you know it smooths out ?
BingoBoingo: Picture!
chipug: i see what you did there
chipug: man i want her shoes
mircea_popescu: someone was talking about my editor ? she's just said to me : "The price of Dogecoin, the world’s third most traded cyrptocurrency / did they seriously publish "cyrptocurrency"?"
mircea_popescu: i think this is memeworthy. the business insider cyrpt occurency.
asciilifeform: this is almost on part with the chinese 'ipnohe'.
asciilifeform: *on par
chipug: lolol
BingoBoingo: Maybe Dogecoin gets a Haircut like Cyprto depositors did
mircea_popescu: antephialtic aha. and ?
mircea_popescu: someone should make a papp to bring cyrpt to the ipnohe.
asciilifeform: cyprtocurrency.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's time for the finchcoin. cirp-cirp-urrency
ron-: does the bitcoin source on bitcoin.org allow you to generate your own custom coins?
ron-: or just client only?
mircea_popescu: with a little awk-ing it should.
asciilifeform: seriously, where are the true masters of the satanic arts. any day now there ought to appear, out of nowhere, an 'alt' genuinely better in every way. written in 50kB of nice, clean whatever. with shiny and apparently flawless, Shor-resistant crypto
ron-: oh
asciilifeform: with subtle bug...
BingoBoingo: So many things for benkay to derive revenue from if only altgen.io
ron-: i compiled it
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: have you looked at counterparty at all?
ron-: problem loading altgen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one advantage of all the idiots being on the field is that the smart people kinda tend to just stick into the same team.
mircea_popescu: antephialtic if you expect to justify a theoretical model by the effect it has on data you are living in a state of sin.
ron-: it took me a while to compile the client, i dislike lib boost :|
ron-: well i suppose it is a server too
mircea_popescu: there's an entire rpc boondoogle.
antephialtic: antephialtic: well, in that case I'm living in a state of sin anyway because velocity is traditionally computed from output and money supply. The idea that one can measure it empirically is not really seen in mainstream economics, as far as I can tell from a brief review of the literature
ron-: it was worth doing
ron-: 1.5 hrs maybe
ron-: make -j 1200
asciilifeform: i'm entirely unconvinced that the smart people are automatically on one team.
ron-: jk
mircea_popescu: antephialtic the problem, as BingoBoingo pointed out to you, is that in your model the greatest economic activity will occur whenever a major holder moves cold wallets.
asciilifeform: just that 'the beautiful ones are not yet born.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know what happens to quarreling dogs once they see a wolf ?
KRS-: .bait
asciilifeform: they run?
KRS-: Cool thanks ozbot..ttyl
KRS-: ...fapfapfap
mircea_popescu: they quit bickering.
mircea_popescu: if they run or if they fight, they're doing it together.
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antephialtic: yes, I'm still thinking about a better way to measure velocity. If a good one is found it would be possible to create an altcoin with an algorithmic central bank that adjusts the block reward dynamically to target a certain output growth.
nubbins`: kakobrekla ^
mircea_popescu: antephialtic which is kind-of why i believe it fundamentally can not be measured.
mircea_popescu: you gotta give something to get something, always.
mircea_popescu: think about for a minute : i could hijack your bank's printing press just by moving my coins around ? sweet moses on a stick, this is like USD 2.0
antephialtic: yes, I agree that the concept has major game theoretic issues. But a coin that solved this issue would be useful primarily as a medium of exchange, rather than as a store of value.
mircea_popescu: why do you think the fiat role as a medium of exchange needs fixing ?
mircea_popescu: i like going aboutg with a wad of cash. works fine.
antephialtic: well, I have doubts about the long-term viability
antephialtic: of the US dollar.
mircea_popescu: right, sure. but some other scrip
mircea_popescu: what diff does it make.
nubbins`: IOUs!
mircea_popescu: you can make vanity money with your face on them
nubbins`: promissory notes
mircea_popescu: as long as you redeem them for btc... they're as good as anything
mircea_popescu: in short, the medium of exchange function of the currency is a minor.
mircea_popescu: Nadia_Comaneci du-te tu ?
chipug: i guess i should get a cryptsy account to get rid of these flipping dogecoins huh
mircea_popescu: just tip them to people.
herbijudlestoids: lol mircea_popescu you are literally the FOFOA of bitcoin, where s/physical gold/bitcoin/
asciilifeform: but who is the F00F of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: what's a fofoa ?
herbijudlestoids: the freegold guy
herbijudlestoids: fofoa.blogspot.com (don't hate me for blogspot)
mircea_popescu: now we see where you get your bad examples
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, you mention in a couple of articles that bitcoin is deflationary rather than inflationary, and then point to the increasing supply as evidence of this
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mircea_popescu: believe it or not, my sum total interest for metals (precious and industrial) pre 2010 was pretty much nil.
mircea_popescu: i've looked into it since mostly to try and understand wtf is with these people
mircea_popescu: but i'm still kinda clueless.
herbijudlestoids: well, i would say freegold completely discounts and (if you believe in it) discredits all the goldbug hypothesis bullshit thats out there
mircea_popescu: nubbins` did you dyslexia there ?
nubbins`: er, sorry, yes
nubbins`: the opposite
nubbins`: i don't get it
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: try this one on for size, his articles are quite long but IMHO absolutely worth it (there is a part 2 if you find it interesting enough) http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/moneyness.html
nubbins`: inflation refers to good increasing in price
nubbins`: not necessarily because of an expansion of the money supply
nubbins`: although that's usually the cause
asciilifeform: nubbins`: or, more subtly, failing to decrease in price.
nubbins`: sure, yes.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` inflation has nothing to do with price.
asciilifeform: (when applicable - 'moore's law' and sequelae, etc)
nubbins`: but x bitcoins buys more goods over time
mircea_popescu: inflation is a discussion of monetary base.
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow i invent a new way to make cakes, and cake prices drop 95%
mircea_popescu: this does not mean there's been inflation in the currency
mircea_popescu: (perhaps in the cakes, i guess)
nubbins`: sure, but inflation refers to the general increase
chipug: asshole scams me for 1.6btc > denies it > emails for the new website url = areyoufuckingshittingme? feel like emailing back saying sure thing fuckwit, url costs 1.6BTC
nubbins`: not any one specific item
mircea_popescu: of the monetary base.
asciilifeform: but if the crown decides to crank up the printing press until cakes cost the same...
nubbins`: you can't say that there's deflation because pumpkins are cheap on november 1.
mircea_popescu: prices aren't a reference point for inflation tho, this is like saying she's a good lay cause she's a redhead.
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: the modern definition of inflation is bullshit, its hedonistically adjusted and the general price includes all sorts of nonsense, which is completely disparately defined across countries
mircea_popescu: people say it all the time, but what of it.
nubbins`: sure
nubbins`: i can't speak to past definitions, but everything i'm reading says that the thing which is inflating is the price of goods
herbijudlestoids: soooo...defining inflation as a general price level increase is extremely fuzzy
mircea_popescu: well you're reading business insider then
nubbins`: hey now
nubbins`: okay, so if inflationary/deflationary is out
nubbins`: how do you verbally differentiate between a currency where purchasing power increases over time, and one where it decreases?
nubbins`: (no saucy answers plz)
mircea_popescu: purchasing power in what sense ?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to another ?
nubbins`: say, herpcoins where it's cheaper to buy an apple tomorrow than today
nubbins`: or derpdollars where it's cheaper to buy the apple today
herbijudlestoids: also purchasing power is a better proxy than inflation, because you can have inflation where the purchasing power of a dollar goes up, but also inflatoin where the purchasing power of a dollar goes down
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's wrong with just saying "herpcoins has increased ppp and derpd's has decreased ppp ?"
nubbins`: i don't know how much apple i get, that's what's wrong
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
nubbins`: haha
mircea_popescu: these are macro discussions
mircea_popescu: why do you expect they do anything to any one apple ?
nubbins`: how many apples are in the bag i'm buying, whatever
herbijudlestoids: then what he is saying is correct nubbins`
herbijudlestoids: because you are only asking about PP, not inflation!
nubbins`: sure
mircea_popescu: for that matter, how do you know it's the currency ?
mircea_popescu: maybe derpland has a bumper apple crop and herpfields a shortage.
mircea_popescu: maybe the one yearly boat taking apples from d to h sunk that year
mircea_popescu: i mean wtf, how did you end up pinning the world on the currency ?
nubbins`: well until five minutes ago i laboured under the impression that a 'deflationary currency' was one where the purchasing power increased over time (i.e. the cost of goods decreases)
herbijudlestoids: i wonder if i invited FOFOA to chat here he would come
mircea_popescu: ok, but this is a very naive approach
nubbins`: but i think i've just never thought this through
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so invite him
nubbins`: who's to say purchasing power is constant over time, etc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` do you think on average bigger cars are faster ?
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: it is not constant. varies in a nonstationary path
mircea_popescu: i mean to some very general degree this'd perhaps be true...
mircea_popescu: at least within some margins...
nubbins`: okay, no, i definitely had my cart before my horse here
mircea_popescu: but srsly. they're not that related.
nubbins`: tbh i never thought about it much until recently
mircea_popescu: well so good for you
nubbins`: not really ;(
mircea_popescu: why not ?
nubbins`: well who knows what i'd have ended up thinking about if i'd gotten it right the first time
nubbins`: the lost opportunities!
mircea_popescu: this is inflationary thinking.
jborkl: Mircea, you know I love your writing. I am not very verbose but in a non competitive way bcoinews.com . I printed that first :)
nubbins`: wait, you're saying bigger brains aren't smarter?
mircea_popescu: jborkl which one you mean ?
jborkl: The dogecoin one
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mircea_popescu: hey, did i get you on the blogs list ?
jborkl: No?
mircea_popescu: i didn't. let's fix.
jborkl: Ok sounds good
dub: you big tim now
dub: time*
mircea_popescu: You tried to visit bcoinews.com, which is not loading.
dub: on the mp blogroll
mircea_popescu: hm, is it down ?
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jborkl: Bcoinnews.com my bad typo
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mircea_popescu: there you go ;)
jborkl: I feel honored to be mentioned on there, really. Thanks Mp
mircea_popescu: hehe. took a break there for a few, did you ?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you know like i was saying to diametric the other day, this article gets a lot of wordcount mileage out of the banal
mircea_popescu: nttawwt.
jborkl: Yes, regular fiat business is booming and all the hardware I have has been taking up time basically tuning each chip
chipug: i pick the articles for their titles, not gonna lie :)
mircea_popescu: found any good ones ?
chipug: so many!
jborkl: I have a November jupiter up to 1th
mircea_popescu: jborkl mining huh. that great timewaster.
chipug: why do gentlemen prefer blondes? (I'm brunette - had to read lol - very good )
jborkl: Yeah it sucks
mircea_popescu: wait, you're a chick ?
chipug: yep
chipug: thats why all the bait pics ive been mentioning the shoes....
jborkl: Lol
mircea_popescu: well good for you
mircea_popescu: i didn't even know girls were allowed here.
chipug: probably not, i'm good at getting into bother
chipug: sorry if im in the way
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: some more than others, depends on who the target audience is
mircea_popescu: haha i wouldn't say that,
jborkl: Don't go into OTC and announce you are a chick.
asciilifeform: i did think that mpoe-pr lurks hidden somewhere here.
chipug: forumites like to wind me up about it
chipug: she has a good job
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chetty is actually a girl too, the eulora chief of tech
asciilifeform: m-pr is a titan:
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ThickAsThieves: she said forumites, she's okay in my book
jborkl: Chipug, you Romanian also or VPN into a To freenode server
ThickAsThieves: i cant believe that text from Business Insider..
dub: think about vexual then realise the writer shares the same broken piece of genome
mircea_popescu: except vexual actually comes up with pretty good shit now and again
chipug: neither jborkl I am a scot
chipug: lol thanks ThickAsThieves
herbijudlestoids: i just looked it up ThickAsThieves
herbijudlestoids: the quote from ripple founder is retarded
herbijudlestoids: bitcoin does not have a fixed supply, i am sure if the price goes up to $1,000,000,000,000 some supply will come out of the woodwork
mircea_popescu: there's a Department of Retarded Quotes somewhere, fucking shit up.
jborkl: Ha, ripple is now some type of retarded charity now
ThickAsThieves: when did bitcoin stop responding to demand?
ThickAsThieves: i dont get it
mircea_popescu: i swear the proportion of good to retarded quotes i read can not be explained away statistically.
chipug: what was that random site that has irc quotes?
herbijudlestoids: are you adjusting for the avg IQ mircea_popescu?
herbijudlestoids: chipug: bash.org?
chipug: thats the one! thanks!
mircea_popescu: bash.bitcoin-assets.com ye heretic
asciilifeform: if by 'out of the woodwork' one means 'ECDSA crypto-break using Advanced Magic'...
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids HOW do you adjust for average iq
mircea_popescu: there's no iq.
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i just meant, higher prices can entice supply
jborkl: Well you have to divide IQ by # of sock puppet accts
jborkl: So it is almost 0
herbijudlestoids: therefore the supply is not fixed, its just constrained by price
herbijudlestoids: (like gold :P)
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids they really go over the deep end with this "fixed" bs.
mircea_popescu: as if the total heat differential i nthe universe weren't ALSO fixed.
ThickAsThieves: the US basically perverted advertising to the degree people are at least part salesman, or part sucker. it's a sad play but so many parts to fill.
mircea_popescu: it's just... kids that grew up without any limits having psychological issues.
chipug: who does the log keeping for here? not every channel has a log do they?
mircea_popescu: see the topic eh ?
ThickAsThieves: the republik of kakobrekla
herbijudlestoids: chipug: i get paid 0.0000001 doge every day to maintain them
herbijudlestoids: its an arduous job but someone has to do
chipug: sounds like a killer deal man
herbijudlestoids: its my whole reason for living
mircea_popescu: doge can has fractions ?!
chipug: but just think of your life rolling round your doge riches..... in 2080
jborkl: No, they no do maths good. Amazing
chipug: think they are pups mircea_popescu
herbijudlestoids: hahahahahaha pooorr github user "MadCold"...he wants recourse against an open source software developer for modifying his code
herbijudlestoids: this is as good as the bill nye vs ham thing
mircea_popescu: chipug they even allow brunettes in scotland ?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids waitwhat ?!
mircea_popescu: plz to tip him a doge.
herbijudlestoids: " I still demand [Palmer] answer for what he's doing to ruin the DogeCoin currency." "
herbijudlestoids: he must answer!
ThickAsThieves: what will the answer do?
ThickAsThieves: cure the hope?
mircea_popescu: palmer knows what he's doing.
mircea_popescu: "for the good of the country everyone's gold must be confiscated"
mircea_popescu: "it's either that or we're bankrupt"
jborkl: Print more, that fixes all problems. Signed by the treasury
ThickAsThieves: maybe we should make a coin that isnt a coin, just percentages
mircea_popescu: all the problems of bitcoin, resolved!
ThickAsThieves: that way you know whats important
ThickAsThieves: your % of worth in the world
mircea_popescu: that's... bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: yeah but it has decimals
jborkl: Yep, just like that- that is divisible is not important
mircea_popescu: owning a bitcoin simply means 1/12mn or w/e
ThickAsThieves: so complicated
chipug: lol sorry lay on keyboard hence the 0; mircea_popescu i got smuggled in, was born in holland :P
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the best github drama to date was
mircea_popescu: they really should run drama contests, like a pageant.
mircea_popescu: hire jerry springer.
chipug: lololol
chipug: yes
ThickAsThieves: i'm telling you man
mircea_popescu: "and then he said, I MUST EXPLAIN!!1" and I closed the pull request.
ThickAsThieves: this is nouveau performance art
chipug: what am i missing?
mircea_popescu: chipug what do you do for a living ?
chipug: exist atm mircea_popescu
ThickAsThieves: i guess i should learn all 3 words in french
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nouveau arte forestiere.
chipug: i used to be a hospital admin in a psychitric hospital for almost 8 years but they fuckedme over
ThickAsThieves: thank you sir
mircea_popescu: ok, so then you missed what github is.
dub: inb4 'would you be interested in taking insertion photos'
mircea_popescu: unlikely cause BingoBoingo seems asleep
chipug: LOL
chipug: man please
chipug: that picture
chipug: that was my first day on irc! my eyes
chipug: he is so proud of it too lol
ozbot: Revolutionary new cryptography tool could make software unhackable | ExtremeTech
ThickAsThieves: S.NSA crash incoming!
Duffer1: s.nsa most valuable company ever
ThickAsThieves: nice to meet another reasonable man
chipug: unhackable for how long... til someone works it out?
ThickAsThieves: all things are what they are til they arent
Duffer1: till the nsa intercepts all packages of box manufacturers and replaces them with compromised versions before sending them on
mircea_popescu: ha, fu, same principle.
ThickAsThieves: I get all my anti-spy gear from the NSA
chipug: that's what i find so funny about people talking about bitcoin safety and hacking... it's all a continual cycle nowadays and that won't change. like leapfrog
chipug: lol ThickAsThieves XD
asciilifeform: homomorphic crypto seems to have the ancient appeal of other proven impossibilities, like perpetuum mobile.
mircea_popescu: i bet you we will have a major breakthrough in homomorphisms before we have one in quantum computing.
asciilifeform: see 1st comment, by author
asciilifeform: (horrified author)
mircea_popescu: disqus is nullrouted onthis system
asciilifeform: Amit Sahai • a day ago
asciilifeform: I am a co-author of the research quoted in the article. I realize it is likely pointless to write this comment in an Internet forum, but let me attempt to clarify the situation, in the hope that some thoughtful participants will find it useful. Please note: I will not be monitoring this forum in the future. If you are a researcher, please feel free to contact me.
asciilifeform: 1) The title is misleading: secure obfuscation does not necessarily create "unhackable" software, whatever that means.
asciilifeform: 2) Secure obfuscation is a mathematical term of art. It is unfortunate that the word "obfuscation" has an ordinary meaning that is very different than what we mean. An analogy might be the word "countable" which for mathematicians usually refers to infinite sets, while lay readers would likely not think this way.
asciilifeform: 3) The right way to think of what secure obfuscation allows is to create, *under many technical conditions*, software that has secrets built into it. These secrets are used by the software to compute output, and yet the secrets remain hidden even if an attacker obtains the entire machine-level code of the software, which of course the attacker could run and analyze. Thus the attacker would be able to *use* the
asciilifeform: secrets only in the way that the software allows, but not recover these secrets in any way beyond that.
nubbins`: but how do you have disqussions?
asciilifeform: 4) In no direct way does secure obfuscation have anything to with DRM, software copy protection, etc.
asciilifeform: 5) Obfuscation is really a terrible name, but unfortunately it is the mathematical term that has become widely used in the academic (non-hacker) community.
asciilifeform: 6) All of this is based on mathematical computational assumptions, which may be proven false by future algorithmic advances.
asciilifeform: - end quote
asciilifeform: naturally, we have the boojum: '...the attacker would be able to *use* the secrets only in the way that the software allows...'
mircea_popescu: turns out it wasn't pointless!
asciilifeform: so let's say you have a homomorphic turd that signs arbitrary giblets with your key (which, for the sake of argument, assume cannot be extracted, as claimed)
asciilifeform: and on top of that, is only willing to sign giblets beginning with 1.
asciilifeform: so fine. i extract the turd and feed it whatever i like
herbijudlestoids: giblets? :D
mircea_popescu: it's a term of art.
herbijudlestoids: no, i meant, would he like to feed his turd giblets :P
asciilifeform: there is already a hard impossibility proof of turing-complete computation in a homomorphic turd.
mircea_popescu: that there is.
mircea_popescu: however!
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't be necessarily running a compiler there
asciilifeform: so you're stuck with some special-case exotica, that idiots will inevitably embed in conventional code.
mircea_popescu: and the case of futzing non-recursively with data is not covered.
asciilifeform: the whole field appears to be funded by the desperate 'media' conglomerates, who dream in their opium haze of unbreakable copy protection.
mircea_popescu: that'll never work.
asciilifeform: i live right outside of a big uni, whose comp sci dept. pisses out a never-ending supply of this crud.
mircea_popescu: what may work tho is indeed code that does the function of cardano in software.
asciilifeform: then the code is the key.
mircea_popescu: well yes.
asciilifeform: lift it, accomplish the same purpose.
mircea_popescu: same is true of the hw cardano.
asciilifeform: correct.
mircea_popescu: so inasfar as that, it may be the case homomorphic software can be in fact written that protects the key say
asciilifeform: anyone who wants 'software cardano' can grab 'gpg' today.
mircea_popescu: but w/o a pw.
mircea_popescu: make it be automated.
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying this is practically useful.
mircea_popescu: but it is mathematically interesting
mircea_popescu: or properly said, computer-scientifically. which is math anyway but w/e
asciilifeform: the building blocks of homomorphic crypto (say, the 'millionaires protocol') are certainly interesting, not only in the mathematical but practical sense.
asciilifeform: but for the subject of the article, one is left to wonder what problem is actually being solved
mircea_popescu: the article is in wired.
mircea_popescu: forgeddaboutit.
mircea_popescu: the problem itself tho, "make me gpg which keeps my key safge and uses no pw", is not trivial.
mircea_popescu: anyone solving this'd feel that particular elation.
asciilifeform: if it 'keeps key safe' via the whole proggy becoming the key, you haven't accomplished much
mircea_popescu: if the whole proggy is the key then it;s not safe ipso definitio
asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.
asciilifeform: but nobody seems willing to say it publicly
asciilifeform: so i'll mention it here.
asciilifeform: certain people would /love/ a mathematically-impenetrable boobytrap.
asciilifeform: that is, code with genuinely-hidden functionality
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania
mircea_popescu: ask the guy what his research is for that list he made sometime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform both people could use this.
asciilifeform: so, worked example:
asciilifeform: a 'soft pgp' that appears to work fine, but when you encrypt a message to a certain pubkey, the message becomes 'eat shit and die'
asciilifeform: and this fact not being deducible from the code.
mircea_popescu: or a soft obamacare, which appears to work fine, but when your name is obama an email is sent to a certain address with your vaginal probe pics.
mircea_popescu: technology helps neither side.
asciilifeform: correct. ideally one should like to be on the 'correct end of the barrel' for this one.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: asked :)
mircea_popescu: there's no way to pick really. you're on both ends always
asciilifeform: it is thus useful to know how to tell which end of the barrel you are being placed on.
mircea_popescu: and since we're speaking of,
asciilifeform: hence, if someone asks you to run homomorphically cloaked code...
ozbot: Romania Cuts Benchmark Rate to Record Low as Inflation Slows - Bloomberg
mircea_popescu: now you look at that chart and tell me that debtors beat savers in 2000-2005 ?
asciilifeform: in principle, 'all blades have two edges,' etc. but in practice, the one and only objective of the folks funding homomorphic is a kind of satanic opposite of my purpose outlined in 'don't blame the mice'
asciilifeform: they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle.
Dimsler__: lol
Dimsler__: inflation rates are lies anyway
asciilifeform: the inevitable boojum of conventional computing is that a boobytrap, no matter how clever, could eventually be stumbled upon by some clever soviet kid with a copy of 'ida'
mircea_popescu: it never works. it can't work.
herbijudlestoids: hhaha wau
asciilifeform: it's a perpetuum mobile, but that never stopped the desperate idiots with infinitely deep pockets, has it.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler__ no actually these are good.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform true.
herbijudlestoids: so the inflation rate went from >40% to <10%
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yes. and the early spikes aren't exactly easy money either.
mircea_popescu: romania had no consumer sector at the time
mircea_popescu: so it's not like there's something debatable really, it's entirely and flatly wrong, like a chinese man on a list of hepatic patiens.
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asciilifeform: btw the whole homomorphic business reminds me of an old sf story, where some malefactor stumbles upon a pair of large integers whose multiplication doesn't commute.
herbijudlestoids: i cant comment cos i dunno shit on the topic but i did fwd your statement and query on
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform haha that's a great premise
asciilifeform: greg egan, 'luminous', if i recall.
Dimsler__: http://ponzi.io/
mircea_popescu: wait, they're primes right ?
mircea_popescu: i think you can probably write a brown note novel on this, you can literally drive math people to insanity.
mircea_popescu: "two large primes whose product doesn't commute
mircea_popescu: yet the product of their squares does
mircea_popescu: but not of the 3rd powers
asciilifeform: damn if i recall. but there was a mathematical galactic battle in there
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: got a response, somewhere privatish i can send it to?
mircea_popescu: just keep going on with the description of the complexity until the reader falls over
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids sure
mircea_popescu: /query mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then, the product of the square of the first with an odd power of the second does
mircea_popescu: but viceversa... no.
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth
asciilifeform: the premise was a little brain-fucking, yes - turned out that mathematics was a physical object, that one could fuck with
asciilifeform: by carrying out certain computations.
asciilifeform: obligatory warez copy:
ozbot: Greg Egan - Luminous
mircea_popescu: scribd does warez ?!
asciilifeform: it does whatever the russian kids throw in, until the censors nuke it.
asciilifeform: as always.
mircea_popescu: this is so different from aaron schwarz
nubbins`: math fiction
nubbins`: great stuff
asciilifeform: damn, censored.
asciilifeform: seems to be the real thing.
ozbot: BookReader - Greg Egan - Luminous (2) (Egan Greg)
nubbins`: read this story once where the law of averages stopped working
nubbins`: e.g. everyone in manhattan decides to drive across the same bridge on the same evening, etc
nubbins`: was chaos
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you mean social media.
asciilifeform: better still, robert sheckley's 'the petrified world.'
nubbins`: technically wasn't really math fiction tho
nubbins`: most of the story was about attempts to legislate order back into society
nubbins`: only those whose surnames begin with A through F may visit the zoo on sundays, etc
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herbijudlestoids: now we gotta split the hypervisors into 2 clusters
herbijudlestoids: err oops sorry wrong window
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