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ozbot: Bitcoin Pulse - Monitoring the pulse of Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25348799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00089862 = 17.7927 BTC [+] {2}
deego: assbot: nice a.. and nice name!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10606 @ 0.0008968 = 9.5115 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.00045218 = 1.8087 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14613 @ 0.00089733 = 13.1127 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.002321 = 1.6247 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.24301428 = 1.7011 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3204 @ 0.00089966 = 2.8825 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00090021 = 2.6106 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24997799 BTC [+]
benkay: asciilifeform: i attended a talk on a google product this evening (that strongly resembles javascript but isn't in some not so subtle ways) and when i asked the presenter about managing different versions of libs on one computer was told that such was just never considered as a use case.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24999779 = 1.25 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: how did we get here?
benkay: more importantly than loper os is a history of "why compute am broek: a histree"
benkay: anyways. i don't really understand these tools yet but i suspect something went horribly horribly wrong at some point before i was born.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, in asciilifeform's case a bit after he was born, but still after
benkay: BingoBoingo: do you know? can you recite the ballad of how computers got wholly fucked?
fiat500: benkay: this wouldnt be an issue if "modern" programmers werent so fucking lazy and stopped breaking backward compatibility with every dot release
fiat500: then we wouldnt need bullshit like rvm
benkay: there are lots of stupid people out there who are always going to make shitty code
BingoBoingo: fiat500: As a counter example backwards compatibility has crippled x86 for most of its histoy.
fiat500: you say crippled, i say there are wonderful libs written 10 years ago i can still use today
fiat500: not everyone can keep maintaing every piece of code they write
BingoBoingo: fiat500: I don't mean on that level. I mean in that eal and protected modes are still things in x86
asciilifeform: and so are msdos-era oddities like 'unreal mode.'
fiat500: how is that holding things back? just leave it
asciilifeform: it still wurks. used an intel 'xeon' in 'unreal mode' just last year.
Apocalyptic: why was that mode used for in the first place ?
asciilifeform: 16 bit instrs with flat address space.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56638 @ 0.00089937 = 50.9385 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: segmented address spaces, book-length instruction sets, interrupt controllers with book-length specs, etc. are retarded.
fiat500: anyway, theres probably more valid arguments against keeping legacy vm features than there are against maintaining sane APIs
asciilifeform: sorry, there just isn't another side to it
fiat500: motherfucker, dont change the goddamn API, i dont want to rewrite my goddamn code every time you release a new version
fiat500: </rant>
fiat500: deprecate the old one and stop updating it, sure
mircea_popescu: fiat500 part of that is making very simple apis
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5700 @ 0.001 = 5.7 BTC
fiat500: mircea_popescu: some of these so-called 'modern' languages change basic core premises in the language sometimes
fiat500: "lel0loloz i'm changing how 'print' behaves"
gribble: Error: "c" is not a valid command.
fiat500: O_o
asciilifeform: not everything is built by retarded trendoids:
asciilifeform: here next to me sits a paperback book, on the instruction set used by the cpu in 'cardano'
asciilifeform: library sticker reads '1988'.
fiat500: btw, ffmpeg is especially bad at this
fiat500: those guys can rot in hell :P
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, out of curiosity what OS are you running for everyday use ?
benkay: what is the cpu, asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: for everyday use, ordinary linux
asciilifeform: 'gentoo'
asciilifeform: cpu in what
Apocalyptic: what do you think of arch ?
asciilifeform: never used it, can't comment.
benkay: cardano
fiat500: dat mips, lets you choose your endianness
fiat500: how insane is that
benkay: sheeeeeeit.
asciilifeform: this is actually useful/
fiat500: i use insane positively here
asciilifeform: it's a headache if you intend to use an operating system
asciilifeform: but otherwise great.
asciilifeform: at any rate you set the flag once in antifuse & forget about it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26054 @ 0.00090019 = 23.4536 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6185 @ 0.00089915 = 5.5612 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00089771 = 14.0177 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12521 @ 0.00089771 = 11.2402 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.002321 = 0.2042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00089849 = 10.692 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.024999 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5168 @ 0.00089717 = 4.6366 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 32253 @ 0.00009603 = 3.0973 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0008964 = 4.0786 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If only Carlsen could LISP? https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/412715259124674560
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28274 @ 0.00089849 = 25.4039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00089867 = 17.0747 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1130863047.84 based on data since last change | 1259820370.03 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17102 @ 0.00089848 = 15.3658 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3898 @ 0.00090021 = 3.509 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00089714 = 9.2405 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5873 @ 0.00090036 = 5.2878 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00090141 = 26.4564 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00090101 = 20.498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P095T] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00089805 = 3.5922 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.043 = 0.301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9339 @ 0.00089748 = 8.3816 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69691 @ 0.00089487 = 62.3644 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20309 @ 0.00089226 = 18.1209 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.0468 = 0.9828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 681 @ 0.00089772 = 0.6113 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25250274 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00090129 = 7.0301 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.25267275 = 1.516 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.25424994 = 2.034 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [+]
jurov: finally got at least 6% from bitfunder
jurov: but still was not said what happened to rest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00090197 = 5.6373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15194 @ 0.00090271 = 13.7158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16493 @ 0.00090271 = 14.8884 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00090239 = 17.9124 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 47 @ 0.04201274 = 1.9746 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19538 @ 0.00090248 = 17.6327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17651 @ 0.00090066 = 15.8975 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6018 @ 0.00089912 = 5.4109 BTC [-]
taub_: soo
taub_: it's ded right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00089903 = 21.7116 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25633799 = 1.2817 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00245313 = 1.2266 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00089898 = 9.3943 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 323 @ 0.00232103 = 0.7497 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8235 @ 0.00089898 = 7.4031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11765 @ 0.00089921 = 10.5792 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 730.005, Best ask: 731.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.99500, Last trade: 730.005, 24 hour volume: 53584.31024000, 24 hour low: 678.8904, 24 hour high: 849.0, 24 hour vwap: 746.9996
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26019 @ 0.00090106 = 23.4447 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00090317 = 21.0439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0009021 = 4.0595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3248 @ 0.00090317 = 2.9335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00090317 = 6.3222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00090317 = 4.9223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1880 @ 0.0009021 = 1.6959 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.08948498 = 0.8948 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 37 @ 0.02397323 = 0.887 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2454 @ 0.00248687 = 6.1028 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.0028539 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6152 @ 0.00090322 = 5.5566 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: bitcoins for beer. that $10k btc bet will be a lock.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3346 @ 0.00090362 = 3.0235 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19318 @ 0.00090243 = 17.4331 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Almost Human - Bitcoin - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin in the future!
Duffer1: LOL!
Duffer1: zoom enhance! now zoom again on that reflection and enhance
Duffer1: must be a bitcoin
lolstate: !seen ThickAsThieves
lolstate: ;seen ThickAsThieves
lolstate: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 minutes and 7 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin in the future!
lolstate: you don't say
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02449833 = 0.147 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0245 = 0.147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50720 @ 0.00090403 = 45.8524 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14580 @ 0.00090415 = 13.1825 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: All about X.EUR future on MPEx - serialized delusions
davout: jurov: tweet dat shit
jurov: it's correct?
davout: yes
jurov: done
mike_c: <troll>i was just thinking that there aren't enough bloggers in the world.</troll>
mike_c: good post :) i spent way too long trying to parse the x.eur contract yesterday
the20year2: RentalStarter service payment has been made
davout: jurov get yourself a proper twitter icon
jurov: mhm
ThickAsThieves: more CSS!
davout: such avatar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02439999 = 0.488 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 85 @ 0.0028 = 0.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3595 @ 0.00090418 = 3.2505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00090198 = 6.4943 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11726 @ 0.00089981 = 10.5512 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7374 @ 0.00089818 = 6.6232 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0026703 = 0.267 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.0009045 = 15.5574 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00267 = 0.2643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.261 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04499 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00090503 = 19.1414 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00090373 = 2.8919 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 50000 @ 0.00011499 = 5.7495 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9255 @ 0.00011996 = 1.1102 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21955 @ 0.00090373 = 19.8414 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 855 @ 0.00012388 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 45 @ 0.02291137 = 1.031 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 125 @ 0.0226168 = 2.8271 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 101 @ 0.0222 = 2.2422 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: make underwear for the purpose of showing the snatch,
mircea_popescu: airbrush the snatch out of the publicity photos
mircea_popescu: this has got to be purit-us.
KRS-: I think I'm seeing higher lows forming on the graphs..market price is going to climb again after this last round of selling.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 746.10001, Best ask: 746.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.79999, Last trade: 747.995, 24 hour volume: 46510.92498132, 24 hour low: 678.8904, 24 hour high: 824.88888, 24 hour vwap: 737.03733
KRS-: why blur the best part..damn.
KRS-: Looks delicious otherwise.
Namworld: Market price is always going to climb again after a round of selling or fall again after a round of buying. Be it in 1 minute, 1 day, 1 year or 200 years
mircea_popescu: now that's a point.
KRS-: ya..i was hoping it wasn't going to be a lower low and i am happy about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00090352 = 2.9364 BTC [-]
dexX7: KRS-: my advise is to use the lows to buy more und relax, enjoy the journey and keep in mind that your goal right now should be to get as many coins as possible, not usd
KRS-: chatter around the net is 'final warning' http://i.imgur.com/BHtpTfx.png
dexX7: you'll the this damn picture again and again and again
ozbot: Europe - The Final Countdown - YouTube
mircea_popescu: im still betting the us goes first.
KRS-: you are expecting it then
dexX7: like the us starts "banning" btc?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 no, like the us forms soup kitchen queues first.
dexX7: 48 million americans already receive food stamps
dexX7: that's more than half germany :S
mircea_popescu: queues tho. queues means there's not enough to go around.
mircea_popescu: well technically, it means that people are hungry enough to queue and got nothing better to do with their time than queue.
mircea_popescu: powerlessness and hopelessness.
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 735.7145, Best ask: 736.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.28550, Last trade: 735.7145, 24 hour volume: 45932.13596275, 24 hour low: 678.8904, 24 hour high: 824.88888, 24 hour vwap: 736.32899
KRS-: and since this is turning out to be a bubble everyone's net worth will only be a fraction of what it was if you all didn't sell off your bitcoin
mike_c: that image is photoshopped. the price curve wasn't that smooth.
mircea_popescu: the image is also racist.
mike_c: yeah, white & black? bullshit.
dexX7: lol
davout: clear
mircea_popescu: esp because the black is used to represent the unknown. is the implicatiobn blacks can't write or don't have money ?
mircea_popescu: in case you're wondering, i've just written an article about painful underwear, and as a result read up some feminist blogs. that shit's such a self-parody...
mircea_popescu: just add water an' stir. froth guaranteed
mike_c: menthol? that is painful just to read.
nubbins`: i smoked menthols for years
nubbins`: reading that made me crave one
kakobrekla: menthol fags? arent those for kids?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00089949 = 28.6038 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's this temple balm made by teh chinese
mircea_popescu: the household name is "cunt fortifier".
mike_c: it probably sounds even better in chinese
mircea_popescu: this thing
mircea_popescu: basically parafin oil imbibated with camphor and methol to the point it's rusty brown
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00090368 = 15.6337 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: and people buy this..
mircea_popescu: it's great.
nubbins`: kakobrekla: not sure. they taste like nothing after a while anyway
dub: the brown is from ground cockroach and tigerpenis
mircea_popescu: lol doubt it, for what it costs.
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
dub: continuing to place trust in that shitbag after the shill bidding revelation was pretty smart in the first place butt
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is vindicated.
mircea_popescu: bless his evil soul or w/e the expression was
topace: [14:43:43] <topace> anyone here running a bot on havelock
topace: [14:43:47] <topace> new rate limiting is now in effect
topace: [14:43:58] <topace> there was a few people not playing nice
topace: [14:43:59] <topace> so i had no choice
topace: [14:44:25] <topace> one bot was doing 3000 requests per 600 seconds (5 per second!)
topace: [14:44:33] <topace> the limit is now 600 per 600 seconds
topace: [14:44:48] <topace> aka 1 per second, over the past 10 minutes
topace: [14:45:02] <topace> * subject to chnage of course
topace: all responses also now contain an 'apirate' parameter, which, the entire time i was code, read as "api rate", but just as i finished, i looked back and went "yarrrrrrrrr a pirate!"
kakobrekla: i belive it was slanderous soul, as dully noted in the feedback shrani.si/f/z/L3/oFmb4zW/trust.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 560 @ 0.001 = 0.56 BTC
mircea_popescu: a that yeah.
kakobrekla: dunno how he risked 500 btc with me though
kakobrekla: must be high or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04499999 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: his comment on mine says "Left Illegitimate feedback. Please remove and I will do the same."
ThickAsThieves: so i left him a second negrating
mircea_popescu: you can do multiple ?
kakobrekla: meh, sheep will be sheep
dub: tbh if 16 and not high sometimes you're doing it wrong
BingoBoingo: If only scammer tags were still a thing
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcointalk.org treasurer to be scammer tagged
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00090061 = 18.8227 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00090424 = 10.4892 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 245 @ 0.00297655 = 0.7293 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: sucks huh
BingoBoingo: Eh, who know. Funny how Garr seems to have the allegiance of both Thermos and Goat though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC
mircea_popescu: there's not many scams goat hasn't shilled, starting with pirate.
mircea_popescu: there's however no legitimate business he ever pushed.
mircea_popescu: pretty decent predictor.
jcpham: rofl fact
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
jborkl: I was looking through the forum donators list today
jborkl: also a good predictor
jborkl: I looked to see what happened to our good buddy Ripple, it is now a donate your spare computing power to help the planet
mircea_popescu: it is yeah.
davout: hah it's for real
mircea_popescu: for a while there mid 2012 the scammer mo was pretty much theswede's : make acct, donate, post 2k posts and buy some old accts.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 65381 @ 0.001 = 65.381 BTC
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 12463.257 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10980943.0123 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0790 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 201 @ 0.003 = 0.603 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 2500
gribble: There are currently 35298.499 bitcoins offered at or under 2500.0 USD, worth 40994299.675 USD in total. | Data vintage: 71.9605 seconds
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 10000
gribble: There are currently 36323.35 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 46115259.7283 USD in total. | Data vintage: 239.6925 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.003 = 0.114 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0009048 = 11.9434 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: ;;bids 1
gribble: There are currently 235083.49 bitcoins demanded at or over 1.0 USD, worth 30049576.4399 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0680 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.09951099 = 0.9951 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0466 = 0.2796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00090263 = 12.9527 BTC [-]
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375010.0 Bernankoin: the Coin to save our economy
ozbot: [ANN] Bernankoin: the Coin to save our economy - IMPOSSIBLE TO PREMINE
benkay: nice
pankkake: I know very little about maths in C++ so I failed to make a smoother QE :(
jurov: lol that essential balm.. our family uses vietnamese one, in the same case
jurov: i even found original case from the 80s with prospect
jurov: and it literally said
jurov: "in case of epidemy, apply to nostrils"
mircea_popescu: mine said "in case of uppity woman, apply to cunt lips".
mircea_popescu: perhaps a misprint.
jurov: Contraindication: Vagostabyl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00090296 = 5.0566 BTC [+]
dub: pankkake: ohhh I understand nothing of document
dub: :(
dub: bitcoin meme #4080
pankkake: half don't geet the joke
pankkake: not sure how I could make it obviouser
Vexual: pankakke: how to print with pixma 4700?!?!?! I can't get drivers working, please help!
KRS-: what happened to /dtng/
pankkake: people really are mining this thing!
Vexual: return on ink?
davout: pankkake: this is impressive
ozbot: ApeCoin - Day 2, needs pools.
dub: Has 3 posts and his own altcoin, legitness
pankkake: not really, you haven't see me fail to understand how numbers work in C++ :/
dub: need an exchange guise
davout: you know how to count up to two ?
davout: that's already too much
pankkake: it has a subreddit!
davout: how legit
benkay: much coin
pankkake: it has binaries and css
davout: "hello boyz, appreciate the pitch, gtfo"
davout: blow stamps, not for beer yet
pankkake: heineken doesn't sell directly to customers right?
pankkake: though the mention of bitcoin could be just for the hype
davout: like george says: "what else"
benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 677.4, Best ask: 679.85, Bid-ask spread: 2.45000, Last trade: 679.26, 24 hour volume: 142858.79, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 693.39
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 50000 @ 0.001 = 50 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00090141 = 6.9859 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59100 @ 0.00089972 = 53.1735 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00090332 = 16.5759 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 1 minute, and 59 seconds ago: * jurov pays pankkake to troll vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00090086 = 11.9814 BTC [-]
davout: X.EUR Y U NO TRADE?
pizzaman1337: just to confirm, you can't "create" X.EUR contracts and sell them, right?
dub: that heiny thing could be big
dub: they could basically force btc pos acceptance at 50% of the worlds bars
davout: pizzaman1337: no
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 you gotta talk to davout, deliver euros to him
davout: or hot teens, depending on the offered rate
mircea_popescu: weren't you married ?
davout: if you have EUR on a bitcoin-central.net you can exchange them for X.EUR on MPEx 1/1 for the time being
davout: not yet
davout: but anyway, marriage is when the fun begins
davout: what's the point of being wealthy if it's not to own a garçonnière
mircea_popescu: so then you can make your own hot teens
pizzaman1337: will there be a UI for that at some point?
davout: pizzaman1337: for?
davout: BC EUR 2 X.EUR ?
pizzaman1337: both making your own hot teens, and for what you just mentioned
davout: mircea_popescu: i already have one and she's a lot of work
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 i suppose the idea is for this to remain mostly a large player thing, so no, probably no ui.
pizzaman1337: because, unless I'm understanding this incorrectly, when you buy X.EUR you're basically going long EUR
mircea_popescu: it's not for turning 10 eur into10 x.eur
mircea_popescu: then again maybe that's just me being a stick in the mud blocking progress
pizzaman1337: I mean, unless the options bot has tighter spreads... this could be a good option for going long BTC
davout: if you want to go long BTC i suppose the easiest is to buy BTC on bitcoin-central.net directly
pizzaman1337: yeah; I guess you're not getting any extra leverage by buying here
davout: the way i see it this contract has a couple main benefits
thestringpuller: asdasdas sasfasd as dasd asf dgdsfg23
davout: it brings BC moar volume, and mixes liquidity with mpex
davout: and it enables any party to actually trade the EUR without having an account at a regulated exchange
davout: didn't really think about leverage either
davout: but without really thinking about it at all i'd assume you'd be better served with options if what you want is leverage
pizzaman1337: in theory, options are great
pizzaman1337: but it requires good market making too
benkay: options on x.eur ;)
mircea_popescu: i'd allow an option on the future just for the hell of it if someone signed some serious mm ing commitment
davout: hah i'm educating myself on derivatives
davout: i opened the last pages of the book i'm reading and fell in shock discovering about options on options
davout: i quickly went back to the some-farmer-sells-wheat-for-june
davout: examples
pizzaman1337: classic
mircea_popescu: finance is an infinitely complex topic.
benkay: yo dawg i herd u liek risk
pankkake: yo dawg, i heard you really like options
davout: LOL
benkay: so i wrote some options on options so you can leverage while you leverage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.0009013 = 10.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00090396 = 16.0453 BTC [+] {3}
pizzaman1337: so mpex-mktdepth.php doesn't return the order books sorted by price? that's a bummer...
benkay: welcome to the mpex apis
benkay: data is there
benkay: go earn thy keep, programmer.
pizzaman1337: I mean, it's one line in python, but still...
benkay: see?
mircea_popescu: still waht lol
pizzaman1337: I'm still lazy
mircea_popescu: it's just a phase :D
pizzaman1337: so someday you'll sort them for us? ;)
mircea_popescu: no no, your laziness is a phase
pankkake: the day I discovered I could get away with being lazy, I never stopped
jurov: lol pizzaman1337
jurov: pankkake: exactly
dub: 226p 30000w
dub: kill me
dub: gonna have to scan this thing for random troll outbursts and links from mp too
dub: window focus is hard
jurov: imagine you're the historian that got the task of analyzing the logs
jurov: then you'll fell better that you have only to read them
truffles: jcpham ure guilty ldo
truffles: chat historian
truffles: awesome
jcpham: that's offensive and ignorant to say
truffles: lol ok
jcpham: but w/e
pizzaman1337: so basically, you trade X.EUR if you want to sell BTC, but stay denominated in BTC, not on a traditional exchange, and with 40 EUR spread. Seems mostly like a promotion for B-C to me?
mircea_popescu: i knew i'm not getting paid enough to dfo this.
BingoBoingo: pizzaman1337: Or sell BTC to be delivered by Jurov, in a suitcase
jurov: pizzaman1337: i'd wait for davout and ask him
jurov: i just gave him http://exterface.com/unicorn/ so he's busy atm
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: it wasn't clear if you were getting paid at all
ozbot: Pamela Anderson, Simpsons' Sam Simon offer cash to sealers - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
truffles: omg at that link jurov
dub: save the moosecock eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00090573 = 9.963 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0465 = 0.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0466 = 0.5126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00090336 = 2.5294 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 42 @ 0.06809629 = 2.86 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.06009386 = 0.7812 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.046689 = 0.607 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02306198 = 0.2306 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00280001 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00090336 = 11.9695 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00090108 = 15.859 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4457 @ 0.00295305 = 13.1617 BTC [-] {8}
Bugpowder: Anyone know how Second Market's assets under management jumped $20MM today?
Bugpowder: no coins coming into their receiving address
ThickAsThieves: have you asked them?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8970 @ 0.00090106 = 8.0825 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: nope
ozbot: Bitcoin Investment Trust - SecondMarket
Bugpowder: nevermind
amidvidy: so what features would you want in a p2p colored coin exchange?
BingoBoingo: amidvidy: Non-existence would be a great property to have
ThickAsThieves: the ability to scam ofc
BingoBoingo: Being built on the Dogecoin blockchain might be an acceptable alternative though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 771 @ 0.0029 = 2.2359 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2639 = 0.5278 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder -25% last week ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.26499999 = 0.53 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "I am Barrister Prince Paul Adeola a solicitor at law." <<
mircea_popescu: eigenvalue hello.
amidvidy: mircea_popescu: interesting, but I disagree.
mircea_popescu: how old are you ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00090591 = 11.9662 BTC [+]
amidvidy: not really sure why that matters though.
mircea_popescu: at that age you don't get to disagree.
Vexual: :)
mircea_popescu: it matters like this : twenty somethings don't have enough experience wiping their own bottom to opine on matters financial.
asciilifeform: disagree with: that barrister prince paul adeola is a solicitor at law?
Vexual: you might have got some coloured words if you were older
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was so close might have gone for areola. no courage in the spam business these days
amidvidy: wow, that is pretty persuasive. Regardless, I've been designing a Kademlia based exchange, with support for market and limit orders.
Vexual: make a time machine and tell your womb to avoid mobile phones
truffles: silly rabbit men dont have wombs
mircea_popescu: so have a bunch of other kids. it never goes anywhere, for the stated reasons.
mircea_popescu: but i guess most need to learn from their own experience.
amidvidy: agreed. Even if nobody ever uses it, it's an interesting technical exercise
amidvidy: but i think there is a legitimate demand due to the takedown of sites like bitfunder, btctco, glbse, etc.
BingoBoingo: amidvidy: In most of those cases it wasn't so much a takedown as they surrended...
mircea_popescu: you misjudge both what happened there and what that leads to.
amidvidy: care to elaborate?
mircea_popescu: the takedown of the playsites is related to people making your mistakes (ie, brash notions of youth). it's unrelated to anything that can be resolved technologically.
mircea_popescu: havelock is in the process of fuicking itself in the ass exactly the same way right now./
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC
Vexual: he has no beard to stoke
BingoBoingo: Remember when Havelock was just that weird little site than only wanted to trade a SatoshiDice Passthrough.
amidvidy: I guess I believe that the problem *can* be solved technologically. Just as bitcoin was a better technological solution than say, the Liberty Dollar
amidvidy: or egold, etc.
mircea_popescu: you form beliefs about how a problem can be solved without having bothered to define it ;/
BingoBoingo: amidvidy: Bitcoin largely solves the problem of how to have a distributed ledger of accounts, this is very different from breaking up and distributing a whole exchange
Bugpowder: it was a typo it seams
amidvidy: BingoBoingo: it was an analogy.
amidvidy: The nice thing about a distributed exchange is that an actor can still behave correctly in the presence of partial information, unlike bitcoin
amidvidy: which is why a successful colored coin trading network will be multitier. Tier 1 will contain high-volume "supernodes", similar to MPex, that provide low latency at the cost of some anonymity
mircea_popescu: here's an analogy for you : suppose you're in love, with this luscious young thing. can you see why the device which speeds up her arrival to your current position is great, whereas the device which speeds up your ejaculation once she's reached you is not great ?
amidvidy: Tier 2 will be completely p2p, and trades will be high latency
asciilifeform: amidvidy, you would probably like my old crackpot commentary on btc systems:
ozbot: Loper OS » Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope.
mircea_popescu: back when stan thought btc kinda sucks.
asciilifeform: well, to be fair, the thing i declared to suck - the lamers - continue to suck mightily.
mircea_popescu: they could suck a planet throught a gardenhose.
asciilifeform: and i stand by my hypothesis, that a p2p whatever might be interesting and useful, if not a replacement for any currently-existing widget as such
mircea_popescu: supernodes eh. amidvidy are you also new to bitcoin enough to not have been exposed to the adventures of uppity tortilla ?
asciilifeform: but it would have to be written by something other than muppets.
mircea_popescu: you're not gonna get the decentralised market that's trustless any more than you're going to get the two dimensional dildo that cures aging
Vexual: dig?
mircea_popescu: currencies naturally tend to decentralise, which is why things like forgers. markets always and since forever centralise. tis what they do and not distinct from their actual utility.
truffles: who wouldve thought that 1 up, dildo's and aging
amidvidy: asciilifeform: I think I agree with you at a high level, that may be useless to try to reconstruct btc-based analogs of traditional institutions. That said, I think a p2p exchange could be useful
amidvidy: the NYSE isn't going anywhere anytime soon
Vexual: define soon
amidvidy: 10 years
Vexual: u give mpex 10 years too?
amidvidy: probably not.
mircea_popescu: pity bitbet doesn't take 10 years.
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 638 blocks | Estimated Change: 26.4775% in 3d 5h 54m 27s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012388 = 0.3716 BTC [+]
truffles: asciilifeform if thats ur blog u write well, obv cant read it in on sitting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1137 @ 0.00012387 = 0.1408 BTC [-]
Vexual: i also salute tou ascii
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00090608 = 13.4553 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: that piece was long ago, i'm no longer convinced that everything absolutely must be blockchain-based.
asciilifeform: just as not every vehicle needs Chobham armour.
Vexual: yes no date..
amidvidy: asciilifeform: have you heard of tonika (http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~petar/5ttt.org/) ? Thought of it when I read the part of your article about building systems that incorporate trust
asciilifeform: thought 'this sounds like kademlia', then read to the end.
amidvidy: The author also wrote kademlia, this is his effort to design a DHT that is resistant to Sybil attacks
asciilifeform: amidvidy: this fact is not 'sexy', but it takes quite a bit of work to go from algo to usable software. (why this happens to be so, is largely the subject of my blog)
amidvidy: a recent systems course I took hammered that point in quite hard by having us read Google's "Paxos Made Live" paper
asciilifeform: what they won't teach you is that all of this crap can be made to vanish.
asciilifeform: but i digress.
Vexual: are you taking critical thinking too?
Vexual: i attended a lecture once, asked 3 questions; stack overflow
amidvidy: I use stack overflow for all my critical thinking needs
amidvidy: as Immanuel Kant once said, if the answer isn't googleable, the question isn't worth asking
truffles: i feel like google is broken, i get relevant stuff at page buttom
Vexual: i even sued a law school i wasn't enrolled in for wasting my time and they settled
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.26599 = 0.532 BTC [+]
Vexual: so kid, can you take trustlesness off the chain?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.26599 = 1.064 BTC [+]
ozbot: Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues on Vimeo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.00090612 = 6.3909 BTC [+] {2}
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