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unbalanced: But if we can see that page I'd think the bot would be quoting so maybe some other sources are involved too these days. I've been out of touch between chart tops.
unbalanced: *Part Tops = what drunk people call Pop Tarts
Vexual: sorry tat
ozbot: Beastie Boys - Don't Play no Game That I Can't Win - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3468 = 1.0404 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: music links, i'll occasionally click
nubbins`: general youtube links, rarely
Vexual: hit me nubs
ozbot: Battles | Wall Street | A Take Away Show - YouTube
nubbins`: filmed in paris city hall
Vexual: im scared
Vexual: wait i thought it was the metro
nubbins`: who knows? the something anyway
Vexual: i was about to go upstairs and buy some catacombs porn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.0029101 = 0.387 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: Nelly - E.I. - Lyrics - YouTube
Vexual: sup slut
KRS|gotyawallet: somethin to fuck with ya eardrum
Vexual: hahah
KRS|gotyawallet: just got done blasting it..back on my grind tonight..aint stoppin til the morning
Vexual: cant do it
nubbins`: here's something else you can't do
KRS|gotyawallet: ok im getting to know what you dig
ozbot: The Jesus Lizard - Club - YouTube
nubbins`: ^ been listening to this on vinyl all week
gecko_x2: jesus christ
KRS|gotyawallet: wow vinyl..some say that delivers the most fidelity
nubbins`: feels like your ears are being tickled
nubbins`: they put a lot more effort into mastering for vinyl
Vexual: some do
Vexual: my record player cost $12, when i upgrade, im sitting on a gold mine
nubbins`: jesus lizard had a bunch of records produced by steve albini
nubbins`: you can bet they were mastered best for vinyl ;)
KRS|gotyawallet: this kind of reminds me of early the breeders or something
Vexual: anyone tried makerbot records yet?
nubbins`: krs, check out the albums "goat" and "down" by these guys if you like it so far
KRS|gotyawallet: the associate?
Vexual: press print and get industrial noise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34799999 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ah, ?
KRS|gotyawallet: im digging song 1 of goat
Vexual: well if you printed a record with a makerbot, all the tracks would be 2mm apart
nubbins`: goat's a great album
nubbins`: see the cover art?
nubbins`: actually not flames :0
KRS|gotyawallet: they have a grunge feel which i like a lot
nubbins`: look closer
KRS|gotyawallet: hah i see a tit
KRS|gotyawallet: woman made out of flames neat..didnt notice it
nubbins`: this is from 1991
KRS|gotyawallet: ya grunge era
KRS|gotyawallet: they seem like a group that would open for soundgarden.. The group Soundgarden is like one of my all time fav's..ever listen to them?
nubbins`: listened to soundgarden a lot in my younger years
nubbins`: saw em a couple of years ago in chicago
KRS|gotyawallet: soundgarden reminds me of me in my 20's street racing my 5.0 mustang with nitrous and shit..amazing i came out of that period alive.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
KRS|gotyawallet: some of my friends didnt and some are still dealing with their acid trips
KRS|gotyawallet: im gonna have to remember this album i like it thanks
nubbins`: yah, worth many listens
KRS|gotyawallet: make me want to listen to badmotorfinger
Vexual: what?
ozbot: Thin Lizzy-Whiskey in the jar - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2004 @ 0.000075 = 0.1503 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Oasis - Some Might Say - Official Video - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: Oasis- good group
KRS|gotyawallet: I love it, play Eric Clapton - Cocaine on you tube.. an ad displays a link that reads "Buy Cocaine on iTunes"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0030129 = 0.9039 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: youll get an ad for an ipod
nubbins`: re: cocaine
ozbot: Ram Jam - Black Betty 1977 - YouTube
nubbins`: nite
Vexual: wait prog rock is coming up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.34799994 = 2.784 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: voila prg rock
Vexual: heres a clip for those that prefer skaters givin lip than kittens
ozbot: Ollie the Cat's Super Bowl 46 Prediction (Cat predicts Superbowl 2012) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14999999 BTC [+]
ozbot: Snoop Dogg - 03 Crazy - Blue Carpet Treatment - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: i listen to this sometimes when im deep in thought or trading
ozbot: Mams - You Can Fly - YouTube
ozbot: LEE SCRATCH PERRY e MAD PROFESSOR Mystic Warrior + Mystic Warrior Dub 1989 - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: badass lambo but anyone who knows anything about engines knows you dont rev it as soon as it starts, gotta let oil get up above the heads and what not
Vexual: never se em run, theyre like comets
Vexual: not much forums
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00080462 = 6.3163 BTC [-]
Vexual: mix it in dancehall people
ozbot: Classic VTEC Mini Cooper Beats Camero SS - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 22 @ 0.14074795 = 3.0965 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.13551 = 0.542 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1495 @ 0.00286784 = 4.2874 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00270986 = 1.6259 BTC [-] {11}
KRS|gotyawallet: This Lee Perry joint is good
KRS|gotyawallet: Made me think of this
ozbot: Buju banton murderer - YouTube
Vexual: are google ahead of thge curve or average?
Vexual: how do you answer more questions at once with less ears?
Vexual: 5 chains
KRS|gotyawallet: i dun get it
Vexual: i chain is just one stream of data
Vexual: 2chains is dna
KRS|gotyawallet: double helix
Vexual: 5 chains is dna*human conciousness
KRS|gotyawallet: i didnt do enough acid yet to get there
KRS|gotyawallet: im close to that level of understanding though i dig
KRS|gotyawallet: i've been freed
Vexual: well i consider that peer reviewd
Vexual: id like to add the ga*pig bill
Vexual: hmm, on seconf thought
Vexual: theres not much evidence of any of that bullshit
KRS|gotyawallet: do you know what i mean by 'freed'
Vexual: ill just copy these photoshop macros into spss..
KRS|gotyawallet: having been living in the framework that is presented to us and then understanding some things to achieve a higher level of conciousness and understanding
KRS|gotyawallet: not everyone makes it out
KRS|gotyawallet: sometimes referred to as lemmings
Vexual: yeah and comets
KRS|gotyawallet: a lot of drugs can get you there if intelligence doesnt..in my case it was good strong weed...others have used acid
Vexual: but have you ever SEEN a comet?
KRS|gotyawallet: yes it was hard to see
KRS|gotyawallet: haley's (sp?) comet back in the 80's
KRS|gotyawallet: whats that got to do with what i was talking about? also- some say comets seeded the universe with life
Vexual: yes well THAT one was in the newspaper, but..
KRS|gotyawallet: i saw a satellite burn up in our atmosphere the other night it was amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Vexual: when you see one unexpectedly you use caps
Vexual: a satllite is 1m long
Vexual: when a big space rock hits the air, thats the shit
KRS|gotyawallet: fo sho...love that one that "hit" russia..although it didnt hit ground
Vexual: once a year touchdown? thats an asteroid belt babby!
KRS|gotyawallet: ever see videos from that
KRS|gotyawallet: my bad it wasnt a satellite i saw, it was the space-x rocket taking off
Vexual: watchign satellites if fun, but its the organic space shit you really wanna see
KRS|gotyawallet: yeah..its fun on a clear night to see how fast them satellites are going
ozbot: Tasmin Archer - Sleeping Satellite (Single Version 1992) - YouTube
Vexual: now if you had a radr array in orbit that could see a long way in 360, thatd pay
Vexual: ir 2pir/infinity cubed
Vexual: a perfect sine wave on every plane.
Vexual: cant be dont
Vexual: ice nad rock spin differently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18068 @ 0.00080296 = 14.5079 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: good driver good sensor, 1au out
Vexual: youd need a computer like prism to record all the inputs
Vexual: yeah it pretty much boils down to looking for the reflection from the sun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00080731 = 6.0952 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: i see you know a thing or two about physics
KRS|gotyawallet: are you an engineer?
KRS|gotyawallet: are are talking about spectral analysis?
KRS|gotyawallet: with a laser
Vexual: nope i just sell trust companies
Vexual: which are really just a priavte key with 1mbtc
KRS|gotyawallet: crazy that you know this stuff too
Vexual: i did an ipo for a phone bookj and a computer and a maserati
KRS|gotyawallet: haha thats awesome..a friend of mine used to trade securities and told me some good stories..a lot of them do coke
KRS|gotyawallet: i was mentioned on the management team for a $5BB ipo for submarine fiber optic cable..but it floundered.
Vexual: lol should had nemo on the case
Vexual: theres money in submarine cable to be sure
KRS|gotyawallet: you better believe
Vexual: cunts need utube
KRS|gotyawallet: as an engineer i spec'd out a lot of the equipment and direcly showed them how we could increase density for increased capacity and a better financial forecast
Vexual: buy more shit
KRS|gotyawallet: they didnt deserve me =D
KRS|gotyawallet: no actually they spec'd out more expensive shit and i showed them the lucent models that increases wavelength density by using better multiplexors that were cheaper
KRS|gotyawallet: and then came the broadband piece that added another hundred million or so in certain markets
KRS|gotyawallet: i was still in college
KRS|gotyawallet: i still "lived the life" so to speak with many of the execs
KRS|gotyawallet: good times
KRS|gotyawallet: "We're trying to get to 2.5 terabits or even higher [per cable],"
Vexual: i would have siad you were puffing muffins
Vexual: solder the yellow wire to pin 3 for me
KRS|gotyawallet: i know all that shit..dense wave division multiplexing
Vexual: you're tripping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 345 @ 0.002914 = 1.0053 BTC [-]
Vexual: upper management for you
Vexual: if off to look for comets
KRS|gotyawallet: heh ok have fun
KRS|gotyawallet: not a manager, im just an engineer
KRS|gotyawallet: eh- how bad is it if financial institutions in China are being banned for dealing in bitcoin
KRS|gotyawallet: Bloomberg..
KRS|gotyawallet: Breaking News
KRS|gotyawallet: China PBOC Bans Financial Companies From Bitcoin Transactions
dexX7: uh oh
dexX7: that's not good?
Namworld: link?
ozbot: China's PBOC: Bitcoin isn't currency with real meaning
KRS|gotyawallet: something tells me this isnt good at all
KRS|gotyawallet: might lose 30% market price over this
KRS|gotyawallet: they gonna dump!
Duffer1: ya wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9797 @ 0.00080747 = 7.9108 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: I don't see the ban...
KRS|gotyawallet: Namworld huh?
Duffer1: all i see is a paywall :/
KRS|gotyawallet: and you dont see them dumping over this?
dexX7: oh, it's gone from bloomberg.com
KRS|gotyawallet: paywall like what we have in the U.S.?
dexX7: there was a note on the top
Duffer1: paywall meaning i couldn't access the article you linked :P
Namworld: No, I mean there's no notice of any ban anywhere
KRS|gotyawallet: bloomberg had a "Breaking News" note
Namworld: That looks half-assed...
Duffer1: hmm
KRS|gotyawallet: China better not fuck this up for us
KRS|gotyawallet: front page of bloomberg had a note that said "Breaking News: China bans financial institutions from dealing in bitcoin"
KRS|gotyawallet: or something similar
dexX7: yea i saw it
dexX7: what exactly means "pdoc bans financial institutions from bitcoin transactions"?
chetty: PBOC:Public free to participate but they bear risks
KRS|gotyawallet: sounds like they dont want their financial institutions failing because of it
KRS|gotyawallet: they are sensitive about their currency
Duffer1: such as not having sex with mandatory legal tender currency property
Duffer1: oh snap that's real
Duffer1: good find dexx7
dexX7: cya @ single digits :(
ozbot: China central bank warns banks against use of bitcoin
dexX7: what is unclear to me: do they suggest not to use bitcoin or do they prohibit it?
Duffer1: "At this stage, the financial institutions and payment institutions are not allowed to Bitcoin price for the product or service, may not be sold or traded as a central counterparty bitcoin"
Duffer1: hard to decipher that sentence
dexX7: the whole thing is hard to decipher for me :D
dexX7: is could mean "our banks are not allowed to price products in bitcoin"
dexX7: or "every company"
KRS|gotyawallet: this is bananas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.0030025 = 0.2192 BTC [+]
dexX7: LOL those fucks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34101001 BTC [-]
Namworld: "such as not having sex with mandatory legal tender currency property"
Namworld: Having sex with non-legal tender is dangerous. You could catch non-patriotism and other very nasty un-national diseases. Support the nation!
Namworld: However...
Namworld: "However, Bitcoin transaction as a commodity trading behavior on the Internet, ordinary people have the freedom to participate in the premise own risk."
Namworld: Chinese people are free to store value into Bitcoin it seems to say, at their own risk.
Namworld: So nothing changed...
Namworld: Needs better translation than google...
Duffer1: right but it always appears to say that businesses are warned against accepting it
Duffer1: always = also
KRS-: yeah they can jerk off with it without fiat
dexX7: well btcchina is crashing
KRS-: of course
dexX7: so it must be bad
KRS-: ya think
KRS-: =D
KRS-: Cheap Chinese coin get it while its hot!
KRS-: ;;bids 1000
gribble: There are currently 3452.1426 bitcoins demanded at or over 1000.0 USD, worth 3555744.46885 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1959 seconds
KRS-: christ a lot of people are gonna buy high
dexX7: ;;goxlag
Namworld: Fuck, btcchina at 794 USD?
gribble: MtGox lag is 1129.882129 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.26427113573 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU).
Namworld: Oh, must be why gox is still so high
dexX7: not sure.. last price i have is 6002 cny
dexX7: but seems like the ticker is dead
Namworld: mine shows 4839.58
dexX7: wtf
Namworld: Where are you looking?
dexX7: holy shit
dexX7: bitcoinwisdom and bitcoinity
dexX7: but i think you are right
dexX7: www.btcchina.com
dexX7: ¥4,521.13 - ¥7,050.00 价格范围
Duffer1: is there a clarkmoody's for btcchina?
ozbot: BTCChina BTC/CNY Charts - BitcoinWisdom
dexX7: but there is no new data..
Duffer1: oh nice i didn't realize btcw offered that
Duffer1: ah i see
KRS-: anyone have experience with this?? this could take a while? or should I ready my positions now?
Duffer1: looks like it's already rallying on btcchina, back up to 5900
kyle_torpey: its an irrational swing so who knows
dexX7: <cdg> LTC/CNY went from 279 to 30
Namworld: LTC/CNY no market depth
dexX7: hehe yea
dexX7: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
dexX7: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.0030025 = 0.5915 BTC [+]
KRS-: ;;bids 1065
gribble: There are currently 0.06 bitcoins demanded at or over 1065.0 USD, worth 64.3540146 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0697 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.0030159 = 0.4071 BTC [+]
jurov`: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 273170 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1005 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 868366812.109 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.75327
KRS|gotyawallet: how significant is this for bitcoin in general?
KRS|gotyawallet: im worried other governments will follow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 53 @ 0.33339714 = 17.67 BTC [-] {15}
jurov`: KRS|gotyawallet: wait for decent translation first
dexX7: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 20464018.5412 seconds. During this time, light travels 41009.6640301 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
dexX7: here is something new: http://finance.ifeng.com/a/20131205/11223093_0.shtml reddit says "it's good"..
dexX7: oh wait, it's the same text, sorry
ozbot: furfighter comments on First OFFICIAL document from Chinese government (People's Back of China) abou
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2332 @ 0.00080662 = 1.881 BTC [-]
KRS|gotyawallet: if i do really well off this I'm going to go get FUCKED UP at the strip club. Bet that.
KRS|gotyawallet: might take 1 or 2 home with me
KRS|gotyawallet: Gox $914
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00301404 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00080683 = 16.0156 BTC [+] {2}
KRS|gotyawallet: this is going to take hours to stabilize ya think?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.14959999 = 0.5984 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.14999999 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14999999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14999999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8080 @ 0.00080283 = 6.4869 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00301598 = 0.1749 BTC [+] {2}
davout: hello assets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00324999 = 0.1137 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ghash.io is not run by bitfury, no
mircea_popescu: exactly in the sense the hash exchange wasn't run by pirate.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, anyone can send hashing to ghash, it being a pool.
mircea_popescu: that you send some hashing their way means exactly nothing in any sense.
mircea_popescu: bloctoc the bot only quotes when it can get a datafeed. if it can't it doesn't quote, and its previous quotes expire
mircea_popescu: hello davout
mircea_popescu: usd 24h vwap 1023.03 7day vwap 1023.74. seems we're stabilizing.
ThickAsThieves: lol China is playing the FUD game now I see
ThickAsThieves: I wonder how many coins they are buying
thestringpuller: usd 24h vwap 1023.03 7day vwap 1023.74. << possibly a good time to underwrite options?
thestringpuller: sell deep puts to the bot lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually, the legislative strategy of the chinese governments ever since the days of confucius was,
mircea_popescu: make strong worded, vaguie proclamations. this will encourage they who do things they think are wrong to desist,
mircea_popescu: without forcing the bureaucracy to actually explain what is wrong and how to identify it.
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079975 / 0.00080781 / 0.00081785 (177732 shares, 143.57 BTC), 7D: 0.00078278 / 0.00080056 / 0.0008476 (1566139 shares, 1,253.80 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.0008174 / 0.00088996 (5865320 shares, 4,794.36 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: so I read this as banks and the general financial market cant play bitcoin, but everyone else can, including gox
mircea_popescu: well, the govt kinda owns the banks
mircea_popescu: so it's really more like, if you make a loss trading bitcoin we'll shoot you. if you make a gain we'll maybe promote you, we'll see about that, don't bet on it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, who knows. i don't trust my grasp of the chinese intricacies much.
mircea_popescu: unlike the us, these people have had over three thousand years to complicate things.
ThickAsThieves: nor google translate
ThickAsThieves: is there a "real" translation somewhere?
mircea_popescu: no i actually have people that speak the language peering at it for me.
mircea_popescu: this is a serious operation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00324999 = 0.1267 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i dont understand what has even changed with this announcment
mircea_popescu: well, it specifies chinese banks are not to use bitcoin as a currency, as the chief point.
ThickAsThieves: were they?
mircea_popescu: which you know, kinda matches rthe fincen earlier report. bitcoin is, all the pretense of interested parties to the contrary, not a currency,
mircea_popescu: as ruled on trilema, oct 6 2012.
mircea_popescu: not afaik, no.
ThickAsThieves: what did you rule it, a commodity?
mircea_popescu: wow gold
mircea_popescu: anyway, some people were contemplating vehicles such as funds
ThickAsThieves: so this means the US will def approve the winklething
mircea_popescu: the chinese do have a serious problem, in the following sense : it's a highly competitive society, much more so than the us was in the 50s. people are very performance driven.
mircea_popescu: the economic situation is dire, the finances are in a mess. everyone is earnestly looking for ways to conserve capital values
mircea_popescu: had this pronouncement not been made, we could have ended up with a rush from chinese provincial authorities buying bitcoins and erecting miner farms
mircea_popescu: so if anything it's good, in that it balances out the govt battle, because the us (all its pretense to the contrary) could not have kept up.
mircea_popescu: in this sense it subtly strengthens bitcoin, because it's current value and recent explosion are both due to the little secret made public also on trilema, ie govts involved.
mircea_popescu: as long as there remains balance bitcoin will do ok.
ThickAsThieves: tldr CHEAP COINZ
mircea_popescu: more like, "the chinese central authorities are not exactly asleep, and picked the right course".
mircea_popescu: anyway, one point that is perhaps not directly obvious to foreigners is that china contains about 10mn people who have the authority to spend various amounts of public funds.
mircea_popescu: it's a strange mix between a command economy and a market economy, and managing it looks more like herding 10mn cats.
thestringpuller: that's a really good observation
thestringpuller: know what i'm sayin'?
ThickAsThieves: easy to herd cats if you pavlov them with treats
ThickAsThieves: I can whistle and all my animals come to me
mircea_popescu: this is what they did so far. the problem is there's a finite bulk of treats, and they're trying to soft land it atm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3449 = 0.6898 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well more like can't easily avoid them
mircea_popescu: the westerners love bubbles, and they could EASILY avoid them
thestringpuller: don't you think the chinese would have learned after building the first ghost city that it doesn't work though?
thestringpuller: so couldn't they easily avoid the real estate bubble they are creating?
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1044.00001, Best ask: 1046.9999, Bid-ask spread: 2.99989, Last trade: 1049.4, 24 hour volume: 47832.40001050, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1082.84601
ThickAsThieves: looks like US is still bullish
mircea_popescu: i doubt they went "o hey, know what'd be cool ? if we built a ghost city!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.0007965 = 11.2705 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: am i pretty fly for a white guy or what.
ThickAsThieves: France singing along
mircea_popescu: my ring feels well kissed.
mircea_popescu: ESPECIALLY seeing all the intervening experts in their own head in the past 13 months opining on the topic as if they knew better.
ThickAsThieves: Have you heard of the " LOYAL3 Social IPO platform"
ThickAsThieves: my mom got this email from a large US Movie Theater corp: "To our AMC Stubs members,
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ThickAsThieves: sounds like something from the forums
Duffer1: i can't help but feel it's a pr stunt to drum up value to major investors
ThickAsThieves: its also a way to check the temperature
Duffer1: look even the proles get a piece, give us attention
ThickAsThieves: they ask you to contact them if interested
ThickAsThieves: this may give them some info on how people value it
ThickAsThieves: of course the people they are asking arent even the target audience for their stock...
Duffer1: i guess i shouldn't knock it until the amount of shares to be made available in this way is known, i'd be shocked if it was more than 2% of the company
ThickAsThieves: i'd be shocked if their Stubs holders and employees could afford 2%
Duffer1: mm good point
ThickAsThieves: tis an interesting email tho
ThickAsThieves: this China release explicitly explains that bitcoin is not money, but also explicitly states that bitcoin exchanges must use anti-"money" laundering measures
ThickAsThieves: i suppose fiat is the money in that case
ThickAsThieves: a lil derpy this morning
ThickAsThieves: coffee time
mircea_popescu: sooo, i wake up, there's a turkey in the oven
mircea_popescu: i end up having stuffed turkey for breakfast with a few slices of camembert
mircea_popescu: this WORKS omg. davout you gotta try it.
ThickAsThieves: did you hear about the toejam cheese?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves don't go trippin on the camembert yo
ThickAsThieves: while i dont eat cheese anymore, i always preferred the very sharp, hard stuff
ThickAsThieves: like mimolette
mircea_popescu: this was young, but it had possibly the finest velvet micelium i've yet seen.
mircea_popescu: why not eat cheese anyway ? it's what made us white folk smart enough to rule all the other races.
ThickAsThieves: well, i dont think you really want me to answer that
ThickAsThieves: like asking why am i vegan
ThickAsThieves: no one cares
mircea_popescu: just as long as it's not a youtube link
ThickAsThieves: the core of it for me is that i cherish life
ThickAsThieves: simplest way to put it
mircea_popescu: but life w/o camembert is scarcely life. if i offered you the deal of 200 year lifespans as long as you lived in a hamster ball weould you live in a hamster ball ?
ThickAsThieves: that's a much bigger question than cheese
ThickAsThieves: i have no idea if my brain could handle that lifestyle
ThickAsThieves: can people come into my ball?
mircea_popescu: they got germs yo
ThickAsThieves: while i require minimal social interaction, i know humans are social creatures
ThickAsThieves: so odds are i'd go nuts before 200 yrs
mircea_popescu: so you can wave at them through your transparent enclosure
mircea_popescu: and you can irc
ThickAsThieves: how do i IRC, voice recog?
ThickAsThieves: 200 years on IRC hehe
mircea_popescu: no you got a kbd in your bubble
ThickAsThieves: is your point that cows live longer cuz we like their cheese?
ThickAsThieves: i think i missed something
mircea_popescu: my point is that generally speaking restrictive diets are unhealthy. i fail to see any diference between "i shall only eat mcchicken nuggets" and "i shall only eat asparagus".
mircea_popescu: not implying it's what you do, obviously.
ThickAsThieves: i never ate much meat to begin with
ThickAsThieves: cheese tho, yeah
ThickAsThieves: but i have no lack of access to fat
mircea_popescu: now, not feeling like some cheese is one thing, not feeling like cheese for two decades running is another, but not eating cheese because baby jesus disaproves ?
mircea_popescu: fuck baby jesus.
ThickAsThieves: its not religious
mircea_popescu: well my friend, how can you show that ?
ThickAsThieves: its more like how you dont wanna put a warning on bitbet
mircea_popescu: there's many religions.
ThickAsThieves: maybe over time the world is more like the one i idealize
mircea_popescu: you idealise a world without cheeze ?!
ThickAsThieves: no actually
ThickAsThieves: i'm okay with cheese in general
ThickAsThieves: but we cant seem to cheese responsibly
mircea_popescu: anyway, a good side discussion re the cheese that made us smart, see the other satoshi : http://unenumerated.blogspot.ro/2013/11/european-asian-divergence-predates.html
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003014 = 0.1507 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i suppose there is a pinch of spirituality in it too
ThickAsThieves: like if i come back as a cow
ThickAsThieves: lemme fukn graze
ThickAsThieves: dont put me in a box with tubes in all my holes
mircea_popescu: these cows grazed
ThickAsThieves: i can appreciate old-fashioned farm cows
ThickAsThieves: i can even appreciate eating said cow when its time if thats what you wanrt
jamespeerless: what kind of warning do you not want to put on bitnet? about usa laws?
mircea_popescu: you can actually go tour their farm
mircea_popescu: a discussion there
jamespeerless: ah about snackman
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.1685 = 0.5055 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: basically al that does is bloat the ONE page.
mircea_popescu: you can't have everything be the first line.
jamespeerless: yeah i don't think its needed at all
ThickAsThieves: i disagreed with your not warning people right til you pointed out that it was good training
mircea_popescu: people don't read page 2 so let's fuck up the flow of page 1 by smashing in there a bad summary of page 2
jamespeerless: read the faq's if you have a question
ThickAsThieves: and then i realized you are right
mircea_popescu: then even fewer people read even page 1
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i;m more stating it plain for the benefit of the lurker than anything
jamespeerless: i guess you could maybe add a small warning on the receiving address page when they are about to send money only if there's less than X hours until close
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless how would you know ?
ThickAsThieves: being the pied piper of penny bitcoin shares has taught me much in this regard
ThickAsThieves: people need to fucking TRY to get info
mircea_popescu: ;;google charles schmid
gribble: Charles Schmid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Schmid>; Charles Schmid: The Pied Piper of Tucson — Secrets in the Sand ...: <http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/schmid/sand_1.html>; Pied Piper of Tucson: Twisted 1960s killings by Charles Howard ...: <http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/pied-piper-tucson- (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: just try, please!
mircea_popescu: here's a guy that was fucking a bunch of teenage chicks
mircea_popescu: and then decided to kill some just to see how it is
ThickAsThieves: i get these emails like "I had shares on BTCT, now what" still
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02240001 = 0.2016 BTC [+]
jamespeerless: what's BTCT?
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless it was glbse v2.
jamespeerless: ah found it
ThickAsThieves: "Mexican cobalt-60 thieves will soon die of radiation exposure, say officials"
ThickAsThieves: "They will, without a doubt, die."
mircea_popescu: this seems an officious lie.
ThickAsThieves: well its likely in between
kleeck_: On a long enough timeline, we all die.
ThickAsThieves: the handlers were likely planned to die all along
pankkake: bitbet down?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i see it ?
KRS|gotyawallet: wow anything for a buck
ThickAsThieves: Microsoft labels US government a ‘persistent threat' in plan to cut off NSA spying
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i dunno, i imagine it must have been in some sort of container
deadweasel: i see it too, pankkake
pankkake: hmm… I hope it's a temporary problem with OVH
ThickAsThieves: The abandoned cobalt-60 was found removed from its casing about 25 miles from where it was stolen
pankkake: from my other IP I can access it
mircea_popescu: yeah, they're gonna die.
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of a case in brazil some years ago
ThickAsThieves: it's now thought that the two men didn't know what was inside the truck, which was en route to a local storage facility, and only unsealed the material out of curiosity.
ThickAsThieves: poor kitties
kakobrekla: pankkake pm me your ip
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 273196 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 979 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 20 hours, 41 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 866930566.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.55024
ThickAsThieves: it lowers!
mircea_popescu: ;;google goiania accident
gribble: Goiânia accident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident>; The Radiological Accident in Goiânia - Publications - International ...: <http://www-pub.iaea.org/mtcd/publications/pdf/pub815_web.pdf>; Goiânia´s Legacy Two Decades On: <http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/2008/goiania.html>
ThickAsThieves: amazing stuff that crazy even exists
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ThickAsThieves: science!
mircea_popescu: anyway, the secret is just how tolerant of radiation the human body is.
mircea_popescu: in that case, out of hundreds of people exposed four died
ThickAsThieves: There he spread some of it on the cement floor. His six-year-old daughter, Leide das Neves Ferreira, later ate a sandwich while sitting on the floor. She was also fascinated by the blue glow of the powder, and applying it to her body, showed it off to her mother. Dust from the powder fell on the sandwich she was consuming; she eventually absorbed 1.0 GBq, total dose 6.0 Gy, which is
ThickAsThieves: roughly equal to 13 Sv, more than the fatal dose even with treatment.
deadweasel: /mode #bitcoin-assets -c
deadweasel: webchat sucks
mod6: use irssi
mod6: !?
deadweasel: my server is funny today, so I'm on webchat, trying to get it back up
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves can you picture that ?
deadweasel: hosed my networking, is dumb for a remote server
mod6: deadweasel: ah
ThickAsThieves: it's quite surreal
ThickAsThieves: "Seventh Company Ltd. evaluation has been made based on previous first and second rounds of investments by Havelock Investments Canadian Bitcoin based Fund Exchange during due diligence process and it is indeed a post-money valuation (not pre-money valuation!). But of course evaluation took into consideration total capital invested in the previous rounds by Angel investors and VC, as
ThickAsThieves: well as income and profit estimations. "
ThickAsThieves: this in response to me asking for explanation of valuation
ThickAsThieves: 'post-money valuation'
mircea_popescu: whoever wrote that has significant experience as online tech support and no experience as a finance anything.
ThickAsThieves: please give me millions of $ so I can be worth millions of $
ThickAsThieves: then you can be too!
ThickAsThieves: i started to ask him for actual list of assets
ThickAsThieves: but realized i'd be wasting my time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00078114 = 12.9669 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well at least it's a collection of words...
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, did topace himself wrote that ?
ThickAsThieves: i do not know
mircea_popescu: not unless he's now azn.
ThickAsThieves: i assume the quote is from the 7C guy
ThickAsThieves: and that james isnt intimitaly involved other than as dev team for HL
ThickAsThieves: but thats just a guess too
ThickAsThieves: intimately*
ThickAsThieves: i dont know who wrote the prospectus though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.1499 = 0.2998 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: but even that document says it can change anything it says at anytime
mircea_popescu: people will eventually figure out the importance of being able to talk to the actual guy running the show and making the calls.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason mpex is mpex whereas all the labcoins out there consist of people talking tough but then upon on examination peeling away like onion skins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14995 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: REP. BOB GOODLATTE (R-VA): Professor Turley, the constitution, the system of separated powers is not simply about stopping one branch of government from usurping another. It's about protecting the liberty of Americans from the dangers of concentrated government power. How does the president's unilateral modification of act of Congress affect both the balance of power between the political branches and the liberty inter
mircea_popescu: ests of the American people?
mircea_popescu: JONATHAN TURLEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The danger is quite severe. The problem with what the president is doing is that he's not simply posing a danger to the constitutional system. He's becoming the very danger the Constitution was designed to avoid. That is the concentration of power in every single branch.
mircea_popescu: o look, the us pot is cooking up.
davout: mircea_popescu: haha i will, you should try yesterdays sushi wrapped in the morning crepes, it does work too
mircea_popescu: sushi never gets to be yesterday's here.
mircea_popescu: i got catwomenz.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves kinda circlejerking each other, obviously, but the stuff they have to say...
mircea_popescu: o nelly.
mircea_popescu: in other news :
mircea_popescu: Few studies have examined a direct causative effect between smoking marijuana and gynecomastia. A report in 1972 made the initial connection between cannabis and gynecomastia.
mircea_popescu: did you know manboobs come from pot ?
ThickAsThieves: well it messes with hormone levels
ThickAsThieves: but it also makes you fatter
mircea_popescu: so can i have an m to the a to the n to the booooo-oooobs
ThickAsThieves: Good afternoon assbot
assbot: hi
mircea_popescu: shit people come up with
topace: [08:53:31] <Apocalyptic> ThickAsThieves, did topace himself wrote that ?
topace: ^ i did not
topace: ThickAsThieves is correct, i have nothing to do with underwriting new listings any more
topace: and i questioned the valuation as well
mircea_popescu: topace get a signed statement to that effect, you never know when you need one.
topace: mircea_popescu: its all in the contracts we signed already
mircea_popescu: good thinking there. aite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16858 @ 0.00078889 = 13.2991 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: +ticker
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1090.0, Best ask: 1099.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.00000, Last trade: 1099.0, 24 hour volume: 53856.39443812, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1079.57079
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker --market coinbase
gribble: Coinbase BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1005.72, Best ask: 1028.26, Bid-ask spread: 22.54000, Last trade: 1016.03, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5555 @ 0.000158 = 0.8777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 8888 @ 0.00015 = 1.3332 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: In a sign of the times, whistleblowers who help bust illegal gold shipments can get a bigger reward in India than those who help catch cocaine and heroin smugglers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 493 @ 0.0006499 = 0.3204 BTC [+]
kleeck_: http://i.imgur.com/wiygh0o.jpg
ThickAsThieves: two brains, no fair
ThickAsThieves: "while traditional MMOs have epic raids, we have extravagant balls"
kleeck_: LOL
kleeck_: No way.
kleeck_: That's a REAL quote?
ThickAsThieves: watch the vid
ThickAsThieves: a woman quotes some real gems
kleeck_: I WANT TO BE THE BELL OF THE BALL!
kleeck_: " various game scenarios like dinner parties"
kleeck_: ROFL
kleeck_: What will guilds be called? "Knitting Clubs"?
kleeck_: "Unlike many multi-player games, it's not about kill or be killed but invite or be invited. Gossip is our weapon of choice. Instead of raids, we will have grand balls. Instead of dungeons, we will have dinner parties."
ThickAsThieves: Biggest Balls Guild
kleeck_: I cannot wait until 4Chan picks this up as a target.
pankkake: so it's a mmorpg for little girls?
pankkake: haha, yeah
kleeck_: And grandmothers, apparently.
kleeck_: "Did you hear? xxKILLERSLUTxx didn't get an invite to the King's Ball!" *GASP!*
ThickAsThieves: where's my Google Glass invite
ThickAsThieves: are people giving away codes anywhere?
mircea_popescu: this is one of those things that sounds good on paper and then goes nowhere.
mircea_popescu: well... this doesn't sound that good on paper, either.
pankkake: what, having a 24/7 spycam streaming to the NSA?
pankkake: though I'd like to try the eye thing. and know what optometrists think about it
pankkake: having some sort of permanent HUD would be great
davout: just put it on when you fuck some bitches to get the NSA guys all hard
kakobrekla: ok so i just made a cup of this ethiopian coffee you assets scammed me into buying
kakobrekla: its not bad, but nothing special so far, maybe the dosage is a bit off
kakobrekla: a bit like romanian beer
asciilifeform: monocle displays are terrible.
asciilifeform: i own one - http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html - (1989! and higher res than virtually all modern 'consumer' ones) but 15 minutes, and then headache.
ThickAsThieves: the codes are cheap on ebay i see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14995 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: what do you do with the code then
ThickAsThieves: you buy a pair
ThickAsThieves: and you are then part of the Explorer program
kakobrekla: so you buy a code with which you can buy a pair
kakobrekla: is there a code i must buy to buy the code?
ThickAsThieves: which lets you get replacements and upgrades
pankkake: well it also must depend on people. I know I am very subject to weird stuff in my eyes. can't do that 3D shit or even images moving randomly
jurov`: why pair? they make lefthanded version too?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla romanian beer is not bad ?!
kakobrekla: i just thoguht , .. pair of eyes ...
kakobrekla: shit.
ThickAsThieves: 3D bugs me too, but for some reason it was fine for me during a recent thor viewing
kakobrekla: just a bit watery
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0029 = 0.232 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: is not bad no.
mircea_popescu: a hey. i thought it's kinda meh
ThickAsThieves: what style beer do romanians do?
pankkake: well, those things will be a goldmine for orthoptists
kakobrekla: im not beer expert , but i had a lot of different ones
kakobrekla: the last one i had was in romania actually
mircea_popescu: i dunno really, i never drink the stuff
ozbot: Scientist-developed malware prototype covertly jumps air gaps using inaudible sound | Ars Technica
jurov`: i'm sticking to my rpi for airgapping purposes
asciilifeform: the same rpi with a MB of closed source blob running on dedicated core?
mircea_popescu: communicated != jumps
jurov`: what's the blob gonna do?
mircea_popescu: this is a sophomore project, build audio relay.
asciilifeform: seems like nobody ever heard of... modem.
mircea_popescu: well not the kids of today, no.
mircea_popescu: i used to get my first torrents off tv, yo.
jurov`: well everyone was "hurr durr aint use ultrasound, there are filters"
mircea_popescu: jurov` that part yeah
asciilifeform: the phun part is that you needn't use ultrasound.
ozbot: A simple example as to why fiat institutions can’t stand pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: high-res, stable oscillators in modern machines let you pull, say, the following trick:
asciilifeform: 'click' sound to start counter; next 'click' - value of counter is transmitted word.
asciilifeform: (with heavy error-correction, naturally.)
asciilifeform: no ultrasound, and still pretty good bandwidth.
mircea_popescu: you could make a crickets app and nobody'd ever know
jurov`: or use modulation that sounds like white noise
asciilifeform: and, the grand prize: say the victim owns a fleet of PCs which pick up interference somewhere in the 25-300MHz range.
asciilifeform: then, transmitter using... displays.
ThickAsThieves: so will noise cancellation be a future security feature?
ThickAsThieves: they already have good grasp of doing it
jurov`: that falls under RF compatibility
ThickAsThieves: for things like headphones and such
jurov`: but everyone cheats to meet rf norms
jurov`: cuz it's expensive to do it right
asciilifeform: actually, noise cancellation circuit, given that it emits sound, makes a great side channel.
asciilifeform: not to mention that you can craft periodic signals that the canceller will actually amplify.
pankkake: just listen to merzbow and you'll be safe
asciilifeform: also you needn't a speaker to produce sound.
asciilifeform: i have several laptops where i can hear the cpu easily enough
nubbins`: nod re: canceller amplifying
asciilifeform: why? inductor buzz in the power supply circuit
nubbins`: noise cancellation ain't great for unexpected signals
kakobrekla: common on GPUs
nubbins`: useless really
jurov`: just demand proper RF compatibility, as used in TV studios
asciilifeform: nubbins`: naturally you can't decode individual instructions from the buzz - but you can modulate it if desired
jurov`: you just have to pay 100x more for stuff
pankkake: also you can control the fan of GPUs easily
ThickAsThieves: as a wanna-be audiophile i dont trust noise cancellation not to fuck up the sound anyway
asciilifeform: pankkake: nothing to do with the fan
pankkake: just saying it's another source of communication
nubbins`: all noise cancellation is
nubbins`: is a mic and a circuit that precisely inverts the sound coming into the mic
nubbins`: great if you're on an airplane
nubbins`: useless if you're seated next to a shrieking baby
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not quite. there's a delay loop in there. thinkaboutit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05499999 = 0.11 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: speed of sound being finite.
nubbins`: ah, i suppose, yeah
nubbins`: i just figured they used tungsten wires to carry the signal ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17630 @ 0.00078219 = 13.79 BTC [-]
nubbins`: amagi metals: "The bad news is that there is a huge snow storm that hit us here in Denver, so there may be some shipping delays from FedEx and USPS after we get your orders out."
nubbins`: somebody mentioned yesterday about -18F in denver?
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` somebody was me.
nubbins`: ah yes indeed
mircea_popescu: i am the keeper of the aforeknowledges
nubbins`: no doubt their silver rounds are snapping in half down there
nubbins`: and their marihuana cigarettes will not stay lit
nubbins`: and their uh
nubbins`: has hockey started yet? those guys are probably fine
ThickAsThieves: why is Ford's brotherly relationship news?
ThickAsThieves: he's an emotional scammer?
nubbins`: he's a toronto city councillor
nubbins`: yes, that's right, the fine folks of toronto voted two idiot brothers into office
ThickAsThieves: but who cares if they arm wrestle?
nubbins`: ah, nobody, i suppose
nubbins`: i think the point being made is that they always support each other
nubbins`: except for that one time when doug was mad at rob
nubbins`: around the time he was accused of smoking crack
nubbins`: the implication being that doug knew it was true, and was quite upset
mircea_popescu: in other news, we've managed to baffle greenspan
nubbins`: ah, he's had his gunwales padded?
nubbins`: wait, sorry, no. other baffle.
mircea_popescu: "I do not understand where the backing of Bitcoin is coming from. There is no fundamental means of "repaying' it by any means that is universally accepted."
pankkake: yeah, he said bitcoin isn't backed by anything!
pankkake: who would ever use such a currency!
ozbot: Loper OS » For Your Eyes Only
asciilifeform: 'sure, this carriage is horseless, but where are the reins? gotta be somewhere.'
ThickAsThieves: i like that story
mircea_popescu: "I haven't been able to identfy the intrinsic value of Bitcoin - maybe someone else can...
mircea_popescu: but if you ask me if this is a bubble in bitcoin... yeah it's a bubble.
mircea_popescu: the funny part is... bernanke just said gold is a bubble
mircea_popescu: for about the same reasons.
ThickAsThieves: so he says I dunno wtf is going on, but lemme tell ya, it's def a bubble
mircea_popescu: my take home ios that it sucks having kids. because if you have kids then you have to find employment, which transforms you into bernanke. and then you grow old, which makes you greenspan.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather not be stupid.
ThickAsThieves: but how will your vision for the world be achieved once you pass?
ThickAsThieves: need more little mirceas
mircea_popescu: for what purpose ?
ThickAsThieves: posthumous revenge?
mircea_popescu: well... inasmuch as i didn't make the original one,
pankkake: I don't think he acknowledges his mortality
mircea_popescu: go ahead and make more little mirceas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0029 = 0.58 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "To read about all those other people you’ve got to buy the Professional version or even the Enterprise Edition."
mircea_popescu: pankkake i just don't acknowledge the relevance of the world past that point.
ThickAsThieves: until you are reborn a milk cow in the US ;)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the author of that piece did turn up eventually.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm reborn a mastiff on a porn set in california.
mircea_popescu: named Ma Stiff.
mircea_popescu: i like it when people catch on vague maladroit references i make
nubbins`: any sharper and i'd cut myself
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nubbins`: 7 hours to go
jurov`: gpg signed, sent back under same name
jurov`: filthy racist nao
mircea_popescu: that was perhaps not the best move.
nubbins`: ahahahahahahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: if they get pissed off it's one thing, but what if
nubbins`: "what's this niggers.asc in our network drive?"
mircea_popescu: they really like it and ivnite you to weird aryan union events
nubbins`: ah, this raises a point
nubbins`: i should really back up my pgp keys and put them somewhere safe
kakobrekla: what lol 140$ for a piece of brass
nubbins`: kakobrekla: i know, rite?
kakobrekla: at least it isnt 3btc like mp paid!
thestringpuller: lolololol
pankkake: someone should make chocolate bitcoins
nubbins`: well maybe i should glue it to a cufflink.
nubbins`: pankkake: it's been done
mircea_popescu: make it into a prince albert.
ozbot: 3 Bitcoin Chocolate Gold Foil Coins NO BTC Value Casascius $1 Liberty Coin Bonus | eBay
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: bitcoin PA ring
mircea_popescu: omfg, i have the best idea ever!
nubbins`: "what
nubbins`: 's backing this?"
mircea_popescu: make little btc addresses and put them into lolipops
mircea_popescu: sell the lolis
mircea_popescu: for btc.
nubbins`: "200 pounds of muscle and sinew"
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin pasties?
kakobrekla: i got a few of those 1 btc ones empty and full, maybe its time for the market to have em
mircea_popescu: you can win anywhere between 0.001 and 1 btc
mircea_popescu: the thing sells for 0.01 or we
nubbins`: kako, the going rate seems to be 140-160usd, regardless of denomination
kakobrekla: i better wait till cas dude is in jail
kakobrekla: they will go for 1600 then
mircea_popescu: good idea.
nubbins`: ah, i don't think he's gonna go to jail
ThickAsThieves: mp will your lollipop factory be all nude women to prevent theft?
nubbins`: just get the clampers put on his biz
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: the canadian mint does this
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well... women may be inadequate. nude 12yos ?
ThickAsThieves: better staff a dentist
nubbins`: you can't let people with teeth into the building
mircea_popescu: taking puns to new highs/lows.
pankkake: nude diabetics. if they lick they die?
ThickAsThieves: LOLipops
nubbins`: kakobrekla: which full ones do you have?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: 1 btc
kakobrekla: they are of golden color
nubbins`: year?
kakobrekla: but 100% brass guaranteed!
nubbins`: .999 fine brass
kakobrekla: ok ok
kakobrekla: oh and one is also silver
kakobrekla: 5 btc empty
kakobrekla: i bought them empty
nubbins`: i'd like an empty 5 ;(
kakobrekla: the full one is 2012
kakobrekla: if that means anything
nubbins`: not a remarkable coin
kakobrekla: FUCK YOU
nubbins`: heh!
mircea_popescu: lol i see trade is proceeding well
nubbins`: i'll give ya 0.03 for the 5
kakobrekla: that like 3 bucks or something
kakobrekla: yeah like i said, 3
nubbins`: trailing zeroes are significant :(
kakobrekla: im going to trade them for buttcoin pic
kakobrekla: any takers?
nubbins`: oof, not w/ me
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla make it wives and girlfriends only
mircea_popescu: the buttcoin wags club
ll: lol this chan is awesome
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nubbins`: sometimes i wonder about my cat
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ThickAsThieves: did the Gold bitbets score any donations?
ThickAsThieves: the cat needs a sleep mask
kakobrekla: you see where paying dividends brings you to....
nubbins`: she does
ThickAsThieves: i'm just interested kako
ThickAsThieves: for the drama
kakobrekla: i dont know
kakobrekla: lets see if the forum heats up
ozbot: China Bans Financial Companies From Bitcoin Transactions - Bloomberg
jurov`: shat's gold bitbets?
jurov`: *what
ThickAsThieves: nubbins you missed the great crash Dec 5th, 2013
mircea_popescu: jurov` the gold vs btc price bet
kakobrekla: anyway wouldnt publishing such info prematurely be sketchy
kakobrekla: what if the late bet was 24 mio btc
kakobrekla: everyone on this chan would buy bbet
mircea_popescu: with ltc
ThickAsThieves: i suppose
ThickAsThieves: i can wait
ThickAsThieves: if there's drama
ThickAsThieves: itll find you
mircea_popescu: drama is hard to get these days
mircea_popescu: diff is insane.
nubbins`: tat, guess i slept through it
ll: hmm whats the KENXPL one
Korbman: odd
ThickAsThieves: didnt even bother with a description on that one :)
nubbins`: kenilworth
nubbins`: some sort of diamondcoin mining operation
Korbman: lol pull labcoin, add kenilworth
nubbins`: labcoin is still there :P
Korbman: for now
nubbins`: market cap 3 btc
dexX7: ;;buy 80000 usd
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
dexX7: :(
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 80000
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 26053.649 bitcoins, for a total of 344391906.6772 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 112.7465 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 80
gribble: A market order to buy 80 bitcoins right now would take 86200.7744 USD and would take the last price up to 1085.9990 USD, resulting in an average price of 1077.5097 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 128.2626 seconds
ThickAsThieves: close enough :)
dexX7: yup, thanks :)
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 80 usd
gribble: (market buy [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market buy order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
ozbot: BAML Initiates Coverage On Bitcoin - Business Insider
TomServo: so close! :)
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy --usd 80000
gribble: A market order to buy 80000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 74.290258 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 1085.9990 USD, resulting in an average price of 1076.8572 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 181.6505 seconds
ThickAsThieves: there it is
dexX7: ah
ThickAsThieves: "our fair value analysis implies a maximum market capitalization of Bitcoin of $15bn"
ThickAsThieves: would love to see that report
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34479998 BTC [-]
jamespeerless: its already basically at 15bn?
jamespeerless: so they're claiming this is the max?
nubbins`: more or less
nubbins`: they said $1300
nubbins`: "Breaking: Largest, most authoritarian government in the world manages to slightly inconvenience Bitcoin for an hour or so."
ThickAsThieves: jamespeerless, the article basically says "We intend to buy bitcoins, please don't rally til we have."
ThickAsThieves: a commenter: "If you found this article useful, please donate BtC (preferably before they become even more worthless). 1HjVaQegDCoDrGgW"
ThickAsThieves: bit the coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33299795 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: you know what "bit coin" means in slovenian
kakobrekla: to be a horse.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33299795 BTC [-]
pankkake: a coin backed by horses would work wonders in romania
ThickAsThieves: well the report already is retarded
ThickAsThieves: it starts with US usage stats
ThickAsThieves: US personal consumption expenditures totaled $11trn in 2012
ThickAsThieves: Household checking deposits and cash totaled $0.7trn in 2012
ThickAsThieves: Dividing the former by the latter, we get 0.07 (which we will refer to as velocity from now on)
pankkake: "Given Bitcoin does not pay any interest and that there are no investment instruments (equities or bonds) that are denominated in Bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: cause i closed XBOND, sorry Wall St
ThickAsThieves: "We don’t have an informed view on this subject..."
ThickAsThieves: that's better
ThickAsThieves: (taken a bit out of context)
KRS|gotyawallet: The horses backed coin would work equally as well in Somalia and Croatia.
ThickAsThieves: "Bottom-line: maximum market capitalization for Bitcoin’s as a store of value = $5bn"
dexX7: it all seems random
ThickAsThieves: i guess they gotta start somewhere
ThickAsThieves: now some other firm can be like nah, here's a better way
dexX7: true
ThickAsThieves: the irony being that fair market value is so easy to find
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1064.69472, Best ask: 1078.787, Bid-ask spread: 14.09228, Last trade: 1060.13587, 24 hour volume: 56785.86176932, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1076.51875
nubbins`: il neige aujourd'hui :(
pankkake: pourquoi la frimousse triste ?
nubbins`: je n'aime pas les temps froid ;(
ThickAsThieves: je m'appele TAT
Apocalyptic: *appelle
nubbins`: c'est un super lel
nubbins`: nous allons donner pankkake un mal de tete ;/
pankkake: I've been often confused on the number of P and L on appelle. appelle, appel, but apeller
Apocalyptic: pankkake, ça s'utilise encore "frimousse" de nos jours ?
pankkake: ça ne s'utilise pas, on utilise "smiley", but it felt silly using an English word when purposely using French
ThickAsThieves: "Criminals setting "fair" value to the Magic the Gathering card version of currency. That's fucking rich."
nubbins`: not as rich as all of us
nubbins`: RITE?!
nubbins`: srsly, just cut the top off a faberger egg so my cat wouldn't have to drink out of a dish like some kind of fucking prole
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.0226 = 0.4746 BTC [+]
pankkake: gangsta rap should promote bitcoin. too bad casacsius didn't make bitcoin pendants
nubbins`: l'utilisation de mots anglais dans une phrase française semble un peu bizarre
pankkake: les québécois ne le font pas, mais les français si
nubbins`: although i suppose you feel the same way when you read "well, folks, let's go to the restaurant for lunch!"
topace: is anyone doing just-dice graphs like there used to be for satoshi dice ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0226 = 0.1356 BTC [+]
nubbins`: les québécois n'est pas français ;p
pankkake: Americans who use French words to appear smart (redditors) are funny
pankkake: c'est sûr
nubbins`: pankkake: around the time of the "freedom fries" thing, i read an article where the guy said we should stop using ALL french loanwords
nubbins`: he then proceeded to cross out all french words in his article and replace them
pankkake: good luck with that
nubbins`: i know right?
nubbins`: took him three lines to describe the place where he would eat
nubbins`: "Restau... no, caf... no, uh..."
nubbins`: the french embassy had no comment, except to say that french fries were invented in belgium
pankkake: restaurant in American = mcdonald's
mircea_popescu: pankkake> "Given Bitcoin does not pay any interest and that there are no investment instruments (equities or bonds) that are denominated in Bitcoin" << herp.
mircea_popescu: given that retards discussing bitcoin have no clue, we predict continued drama and lulz.
nubbins`: dunno, my bitcoins have paid plenty of interest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00299598 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: maybe they bought the wrong kind
mircea_popescu: maybe they bought the wrong color.
mircea_popescu: got themselves some of jurov's milky nigger.txt coins
pankkake: I have a fiat account that gives me a few percent per year. I used to watch it and move money it/out etc.
pankkake: bitcoin kinda changed my persective
pankkake: -typos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02485399 = 0.1243 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: there's still no ObamaCoin!
nubbins`: asdsfdsfgfddgfdsg
nubbins`: leel
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> pankkake, ça s'utilise encore "frimousse" de nos jours ? << i was thinking. fucking ordinateur and "frimousse"
nubbins`: ordinateur is a brutal word
pankkake: I like ordinateur !
nubbins`: internet words are always tricky
pankkake: frimousse is cute, *too* cute
nubbins`: when i did web dev, we'd have to send message bundles off to get translated
mircea_popescu: it's cute in the sense of 30yo unshaved woman that can't poledance pestering her cuckolded "bf" on xmas eve.
nubbins`: you'd have people translating the word "click", "email", etc multiple ways in the same document
nubbins`: and of course half the translators were quebecois and the other half were acadiens
nubbins`: and just now, i learned that half a million acadiens moved to louisiana.
nubbins`: huh.
nubbins`: and just NOW, i'm realizing that's where the word "cajun" comes from
mircea_popescu: acadjuien
mircea_popescu: seems pretty obvious
deadweasel: my cajun neighbors, good people.
deadweasel: resistant to the governments nonsense. very resistent.
nubbins`: well, that's france for ya
nubbins`: er, the french
nubbins`: i'm sure pankkake is preparing to throw his wooden shoes into some gears as we speak
pankkake: the French worship the State
pankkake: they might not like the government, they like the State
mircea_popescu: this is true
mircea_popescu: ridiculous, but true
deadweasel: then the cajuns have moved far enough away from the french, thank jesus.
nubbins`: quebecois are the same way
deadweasel: truly I have no malice for the french, it's conditioned into me.
nubbins`: see for reference, last year's casseroles protests
pankkake: well, governments fail to do anything good every year, but you know, the next one is going to be great!
ozbot: Casseroles 'Pots and Pans' Montreal Protest Video - YouTube
pankkake: but I have to admit I like the current protests
nubbins`: man, that got me so fucking angry last year
nubbins`: SO goddamn angry
nubbins`: non a la loi speciale!
mircea_popescu: so seriously, did that fortune guy ever manage to short btc ?
mircea_popescu: "À toujours vouloir bien paraître, je crois que le Parti Québécois enfoncera un autre clou dans son cercueil. Le Parti Québécois semble servir jour après jour les intérêts des riches avec leurs visées néolibérales anglo-saxonnes. Les assistés sociaux, les étudiants, les francophones et maintenant les travailleurs pâtiront. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00299599 = 0.2307 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: holy shit, the french speaking canadians imagine they are going to be MORE socialist than the anglo-saxons ?!
nubbins`: the PQ sucks
mircea_popescu: that aside.
mircea_popescu: these people actually believe what's wrong with the us etc is that they are stepping too much on the throat of the proletariat ?!
deadweasel: nobody can believe that
nubbins`: in that context, anglo-saxon essentially should be translated as "bogeyman"
nubbins`: or capital-O Outsider, w/e
mircea_popescu: dude, how about no futher "dignite" of any kind for five years.
mircea_popescu: then we see.
pankkake: néolibéral too
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of dignity for the poor.
pankkake: we have « ultralibéral » in France
mircea_popescu: that's why they're poor, to be humble.
nubbins`: the PQ thought they had it knocked
mircea_popescu: fucking upside world.
nubbins`: huge protests, PQ to the rescue! repeal the special law!
nubbins`: then they realized the population wasn't finished with being upset
gesell: mtgox split order javascript console script, if interested http://pastebin.com/tESPiTvg pretty simple
nubbins`: pauline marois is way worse than jean charest
ThickAsThieves: getting so tired of all is babbling like he is in-the-know and some kind of soothsayer
nubbins`: but dude, you're missing the human element
ThickAsThieves: thats cuz i am robot
ThickAsThieves: assbot is my wife
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if the dork you were quoting earlier can opine about what the mkt cap of bitcoin should be,
mircea_popescu: then why can't random forum retard ?
assbot: fuck me in the ass
mircea_popescu: exactly same quality/material.
nubbins`: ah, wait, ^^ hopes restored
KRS|gotyawallet: ThickAsThieves: isn't $5BB market cap only midcap at best
nubbins`: good thing you keep backups
ThickAsThieves: basically they want to paint their obsessive passive aggression as some kind humanitarian effort or something
ThickAsThieves: assbot, grease, or no?
assbot: no grease for your size
ThickAsThieves: i saw that coming
ThickAsThieves: nice assist i guess
nubbins`: i'm imagining a mechanical iris closing
assbot: its what couples do
ThickAsThieves: teamwork!
ThickAsThieves: selfdeprication facilitation
ThickAsThieves: complete.
nubbins`: |#####################| 100%
pankkake: 8================D 100%
assbot: your balls are small
mircea_popescu: what's the emoticon for vagina dentata ?
ThickAsThieves: Install Failed. Would you like to check Windows Update for a solution?
pankkake: {¦} ?
mircea_popescu: that looks more like himen bifenestratus
kakobrekla: pankkake draw a bear trap
kakobrekla: tat warp traveling
ThickAsThieves: ( { XXX } )
pankkake: yes!
ThickAsThieves: now he pm's me saying i'm not consumer focused ...
ThickAsThieves: been in marketing for like most of my life...
ThickAsThieves: I'd reason with the guy if I didn;t think it'd result it point by point epic messages where he never gives in
mircea_popescu: isn't this the dork that was falling all over himself with mpoe-pr earlier ?
ThickAsThieves: he was on ActM board
ThickAsThieves: about SMG right?
mircea_popescu: haha well that's fitting
ThickAsThieves: yeah thats him
pankkake: oh, hence in my ignore list :D
mircea_popescu: i dun recall about what.
mircea_popescu: but i recall greyhawk's comment that his avatar is well chosen
ThickAsThieves: i had him ignored but now he's all up in Neo's business
pankkake: anyone in that board should be scammer tagged anyway
mircea_popescu: pankkake anyone not in my wot is scammer tagged by default.
pankkake: yeah I figured that one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 65 @ 0.0077 = 0.5005 BTC {2}
pankkake: is 7C a scam?
pircea_momescu: pankkake 7c is a scam !
pankkake: see, that works
thestringpuller: lololololol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 37 @ 0.0077 = 0.2849 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: "I have searched Google and I haven't found an answer to what it is am looking for. So here is the deal am looking for a MMORPG (not FPS) that I and a friend can play without the need of putting any money on it. It should be completely free (no one time buy, no need to put money to buy higher gear, no need to upgrade the account to open some other stuff and bag limits.) Also prefer if the game isn't from perfect world
mircea_popescu: international (since I have had bad history with there employees)."
mircea_popescu: i like internet people.
mircea_popescu: broiled.
pankkake: there employees :(
mircea_popescu: "i want good shit for free and a blowjob"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 1111 @ 0.0077 = 8.5547 BTC {3}
ThickAsThieves: he prefers here employees
ThickAsThieves: dont these free things exist anyway?
Apocalyptic: they do
ThickAsThieves: like private WoW servers
Apocalyptic: it's just not good shit
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves those don't have here employees.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.0077 = 0.385 BTC
nubbins`: you still gotta buy wow tho
mircea_popescu: it's like... total complete bonehead. employees don't need to be paid.
nubbins`: this guy wants a great game that he can play for free
nubbins`: NO ADS THO
mircea_popescu: AND employees
mircea_popescu: no riffraff like ThickAsThieves mind. people with better consumer focus.
ThickAsThieves: i think Candy Crush is free
ThickAsThieves: and on Facebook
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 1005 @ 0.0077 = 7.7385 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 2.28033270 BTC to 5`067`406 shares, 45 satoshi per share
nubbins`: well, "free"
nubbins`: i'll inspect your wallet, credit card receipts, and health records for free
ThickAsThieves: "Any Capital raised by Havelock Investments on behalf of this Fund will be placed in escrow. The raised capital will only be distributed to the Company based on a per performance basis agreed by Havelock Investments and the Company. In the event that the Company is no longer able to continue operations, all of the remaining capital in escrow will be refunded to the Unit holders equally."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
nubbins`: huh, interesting
mircea_popescu: so basically every mistake that can be made will have to be made
Namworld: Mistakes?
Namworld: Fill me in
ThickAsThieves: like releasing funds to them?
mircea_popescu: well, it's simple : if you don't trust the company don't let it list.
mircea_popescu: i;m too lazy to go into the endless debate as to why stupidity doesn't work. i'll just state the general point and shrug.
Korbman: but that's not how the new Havelock makes money ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 10005 @ 0.0077 = 77.0385 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: the new havelock is not going to be making any money.
jurov`: Mhm...i can't follow,what has changed at havelock?
jurov`: Moving to panama aside.
nubbins`: floodgates.png
nubbins`: something like 50 funds waiting in the wings?
pankkake: 50 shitfunds
jurov`: orly
Namworld: Really? Where's the announcement on that? >.>
pankkake: on their own IPO, they stated that
thestringpuller: people are actually buying this 7C shit?
nubbins`: prospectus, page 4
nubbins`: adding 12 new funds each quarter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 10000 @ 0.0077 = 77 BTC
Namworld: Panama says: Give ID, list anything
pankkake: the new info is also that CFIG is mostly Panama Fund guys
nubbins`: ah, i remember cfig
nubbins`: i drew a little diagram way back
nubbins`: it had a bunch of question marks
pankkake: oh, that was you :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 2012 @ 0.0077 = 15.4924 BTC {4}
ozbot: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Financial (CFIG) Official Thread
nubbins`: xbt, how quaint
nubbins`: that's essentially what virtex's debit cards do, but with automatic conversion of btc to fiat
nubbins`: also, my trust link is green now?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 1978 @ 0.0077 = 15.2306 BTC {2}
Korbman: I see 7C is pretty much only pulling in large orders
Namworld: And almost round... like 10000 > 10000 > 2000 > 2000
Namworld: Mostly what happened so far
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0077 = 0.154 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.0077 = 0.1925 BTC
mircea_popescu: anyuone here ever tried rift ?
thestringpuller: how do you have time to play all these mmo's?
thestringpuller: "research"
TomServo: mircea_popescu: the tabletop rpg?
mircea_popescu: apparently there's a new pc version
mircea_popescu: or maybe unrelated i dunno ?
TomServo: Appears to be unrelated. I haven't played it.
ThickAsThieves: I played Rift
ThickAsThieves: in the early days
ThickAsThieves: it was enjoyable enough
TomServo: I was thinking of "Rifts" anyhow.
ThickAsThieves: MP you should just buy Rift
ThickAsThieves: and bitcoinify it
nubbins`: would play a settlers of catan themed btc game
nubbins`: or a btc themed settlers of catan, not sure
ThickAsThieves: i'd also play a dota btc game
ThickAsThieves: seems that format is pretty popular these days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 90 @ 0.0077 = 0.693 BTC
nubbins`: you could actually probably completely re-skin catan to have a btc theme
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 26 @ 0.0077 = 0.2002 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i might, but are they selling it ?
ThickAsThieves: well i know they went to a fee model
ThickAsThieves: so they cant be doing well
nubbins`: hey, some of the best things are free
ThickAsThieves: and everyone has a price right?
nubbins`: like google, and that guy who offered to help me install that btc security software on my computer
nubbins`: unless you think there's some sort of catch to using both of those things?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: ok, that may be, but... well...
ThickAsThieves: have deadweasel get them in here
mircea_popescu: deadweasel baby, can you ferret out the owners of rift ?
mircea_popescu: Gameplay requires: (1) INTERNET CONNECTION (SOLD SEPARATELY), AND (2) ACCEPTANCE OF LICENSE AND USAGE TERMS.
mircea_popescu: you suppose anyone accused them of scamming because they don't also provide you with internet ?
mircea_popescu: "but i vbought the game fair and square!!11 why can't i play it on my toaster!11"
nubbins`: pretty much the definition of scam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 15 @ 0.0077 = 0.1155 BTC
ozbot: 2010 WWE Hall of Fame: Million Dollar Man - YouTube
nubbins`: hahahaha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 8750 @ 0.0077 = 67.375 BTC {3}
nubbins`: theodore dibiase!
ThickAsThieves: was harder to find him saying his catchphrase than i thought itd be
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 6000 @ 0.0077 = 46.2 BTC {2}
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves , I'm at work, give me a general starting link and I'll see.
deadweasel: dafuq is rift anyway? a game?
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: you know ultimate warrior does knife painting now?
ThickAsThieves: deadweasel, Rift is a major game, you'd need to start with the studio probly
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ThickAsThieves: really there's like 0 chance theyll come in here
ThickAsThieves: unless they already are!
ozbot: Warrior's Machete
Namworld: There's only one quality IPO coming up. Calm your horses and the random ideas IPOs.
ThickAsThieves: weapons of wisdom
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Namworld: Ideas are 2 bucks a dozen, not 5 million each
mircea_popescu: no rush whatever, if you manage it at all you're a miracle worker anyway
ThickAsThieves: warrior's stuff isnt horrible
nubbins`: there's better
ozbot: Works.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well if it's f2p it ain't that major namean ?
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ozbot: Sitting Bull Blue
nubbins`: i like to imagine him painting these with a huge rambo knife, rather than a palette knife
ThickAsThieves: that one isnt bad either
ThickAsThieves: but paying that much for a print is silly
nubbins`: that's an original, not a print
ThickAsThieves: oh it said also available in other size
ThickAsThieves: so i assumed
nubbins`: ah, yeah, i think the other size is a print
ThickAsThieves: i know many artists try to sell prints for ridic prices
nubbins`: oh. nope.
nubbins`: tat, i have much to say on the subject of prints
ThickAsThieves: do you do giclee?
nubbins`: no, and in fact, i don't consider giclees "prints" in the traditional sense of the word
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nubbins`: they're closer to color photocopies than anything
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nubbins`: producing a print takes skill and effort, and each one is usually a unique piece
nubbins`: producing a giclee involves making sure your ink cartridges are topped up, and clicking a mouse
ThickAsThieves: i always assumed giclees did color matching
nubbins`: oh, sure, sometimes. but that's still just dicking around on the computer
nubbins`: a $250 epson can produce beautiful CMYK giclee prints
nubbins`: but they're worth the cost of the paper and inks, plus maybe $20
nubbins`: to compare a giclee to a linocut or a serigraph is truly taking the piss
nubbins`: nothing worse than seeing people selling small "prints" for $50 each
nubbins`: in an edition of 250
ThickAsThieves: to me, i'd either want the original, or a good-enough print to look pretty on the wall
nubbins`: and then finding out they're fuckin giclees
ThickAsThieves: in-between seems a waste
nubbins`: take a linocut, for example
nubbins`: it doesn't exist as a piece of art until it's printed
nubbins`: and each print is unique, as the linoleum squishes around and wears down
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nubbins`: a giclee is just a copy of an original
KRS|gotyawallet: Wonder how long til the Serbians get on board with their own bitcoin wallets.
nubbins`: compared to linocut, monotype, serigraph, etc, where the prints ARE originals
nubbins`: people have a lot of trouble with that point
ThickAsThieves: well the concept is that people want to know the artist stood there and made the thing
ThickAsThieves: not a amachine
nubbins`: or at the very least, had a hand in its production
nubbins`: often the artist and the printer work hand-in-hand
kakobrekla: pressing all teh buttons
kakobrekla: moving all the mouses
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ThickAsThieves: working with artists = printer's nightmare
nubbins`: ^ agreed
nubbins`: welcome to my life, heh
nubbins`: altho our clients are generally pretty easygoing
ThickAsThieves: I have no money, but I want 5 prints of 50 of my pieces!
ThickAsThieves: how much?
ThickAsThieves: or same request but for greeting cards
ThickAsThieves: "buy your own printer" i'd tell them
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nubbins`: we explicitly do not own a color printer for this very reason
nubbins`: well. we have a printer that can print color (6 tanks!)
nubbins`: but it's all loaded with super-opaque pigment inks
nubbins`: for printing films
nubbins`: all black
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 13 @ 0.0077 = 0.1001 BTC
nubbins`: the best jobs are where we're given free reign over the art
ThickAsThieves: my mom used to work painting separations of textile patterns onto acetate plastic sheets by hand
nubbins`: "we want some posters made, here's a list of things we like: interrobangs, lasers, robots, etc"
nubbins`: ah, that's thankless work :)
ThickAsThieves: carpal tunnel in both hands, AND the foot version
nubbins`: nod, my wrists aren't great
nubbins`: years of poor computer posture combined with manual printing
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ThickAsThieves: she'd have like 20 sheets layered over eachother in one brown blob when done
nubbins`: i've sepped by hand before
ThickAsThieves: then they got computers
nubbins`: generally just use gimp with a wacom tablet these days
nubbins`: our usual process is pencil -> ink -> gimp -> inkscape -> illustrator -> acetate -> silkscreens -> paper
thestringpuller: huhuh he said gimp
nubbins`: and really, we only use illustrator for printing films
nubbins`: would be nice if we didn't need it
nubbins`: but inkscape doesn't support CMYK print output (srsly)
ThickerThanThiev: i'm a coreldraw fan
ThickerThanThiev: great for that kinda work
nubbins`: never used it
ThickerThanThiev: it's canadian!
nubbins`: i mean, inkscape itself is great for vector work
nubbins`: it just barfs at the output step
nubbins`: so we shelled out $800 for illustrator
ThickAsThieves: it takes adusting for a long-time Illustrator user
nubbins`: and another $500 for 3rd party epson drivers
ThickAsThieves: but the keystrokes and tools and like everything for vector editing in corel is just better imo
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nubbins`: yeah, illo is powerful, but most of it is still beyond me
nubbins`: the image trace options in cs6 are fuckin great tho
ozbot: Accurip
ThickAsThieves: what was it we used to rip, oh yeah Onyx
ThickAsThieves: so expensive
nubbins`: rips are fucking LOOT
nubbins`: tried to get away without using one for so long
asciilifeform: a list of junk u.s. gov. considers politically interesting.
nubbins`: such a waste of effort
nubbins`: i almost wept when i saw the first set of separations accurip spit out
nubbins`: felt like i'd discovered bitcoin
deadweasel: who exactly from rift do you want to talk to?
asciilifeform: betcha every luggage trunk at every u.s. airport contains something on this list.
deadweasel: a pr douche?
deadweasel: accountant?
ThickAsThieves: an owner
nubbins`: a c-level exec
deadweasel: mutherfucker
deadweasel: ha, wish me luck
ThickAsThieves: he want to buy the game afterall
nubbins`: gl ;p
deadweasel: and just what do they want to talk with you about? :)
deadweasel: i can't make it up if I havne't followed the story.
nubbins`: anyway, people have no idea what a pain pre-press work is
nubbins`: "yeah my artwork is ready to go"
deadweasel: we do now, nubs
nubbins`: not even converted to spot colors
nubbins`: the thing about "graphic designers" that fucking pisses me off
nubbins`: is that none of them understand print
nubbins`: "ahh, the guy who prints it can figure that out"
ThickAsThieves: i never hired college-trained designers
nubbins`: and then the poor client pays me $xx/h to recreate the goddamn image from scratch
ThickAsThieves: fukn useless
nubbins`: no concept of anything
nubbins`: 72dpi backgrounds
nubbins`: "it looks good on my screen"
nubbins`: die in a fire
ThickAsThieves: file prep is truly an advanced skill
nubbins`: it's a completely separate skillset
kakobrekla: just rename it to niggers.txt
nubbins`: "how would you like niggers.txt screened?"
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nubbins`: 61 lpi, 22.5 deg angle, please
nubbins`: i'm still learning
nubbins`: only discovered "overprint fill/stroke" recently
deadweasel: "i want all niggers.txt screened out of my t=shirt, please."
nubbins`: and the implications thereof
ThickAsThieves: i once printed seps for an album cover on the newspaper's hardware where i wored
kakobrekla: i belive whored is the right term
nubbins`: what did they call those projectors they used to use for seps?
ThickAsThieves: i cant remember
ThickAsThieves: big fuckers
nubbins`: not orthographic
nubbins`: i can't remember either. rad tho.
nubbins`: would love to get into letterpress
nubbins`: but that's an expensive setup
nubbins`: and i'd want to be able to make my own plates
nubbins`: which makes it a REALLY expensive setup
ThickAsThieves: people will pay pretty well for it, but way too custom for my patience again
nubbins`: yeah, there's basically zero market outside of wedding invitations too
ThickAsThieves: brides as clients, lol
ThickAsThieves: one time, that's all it took me
ThickAsThieves: insanity
nubbins`: bridezilla
nubbins`: one of our printers works days at a wedding planning place
nubbins`: she does not enjoy it
ThickAsThieves: in the end i was hand-scoring and trimming corners one by one
nubbins`: "yeah, auhhmmm, i want flowers like pandora vanderpump had at her wedding... but i don't want them to, like, cost a lot"
ThickAsThieves: hand drawn maps to the location
ThickAsThieves: custom lettering
nubbins`: we've silkscreened some wedding invites
nubbins`: doing some now actually
nubbins`: 6 spot colors ;(
ThickAsThieves: (sorry channel, I'm just about bored with the print talk) :)
nubbins`: i'm about done too
kakobrekla: you just got him wet
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
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ThickAsThieves: try harder China!
nubbins`: 870-1240
nubbins`: pretty calm day
kleeck_: :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00318637 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {7}
mike_c: ;;premium btcn mtgox
gribble: Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -9.57021326982 %.
mike_c: china is asleep at the wheel.
mike_c: everybody ran to china to arbitrage and drove the price down :)
ozbot: Chicken in Turkey: Mary Brown's aims for Istanbul - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
ThickAsThieves: not Constantinople
nubbins`: some years ago, mary brown's released this new sandwich called the Big Mary
nubbins`: huge ad campaign
nubbins`: some guy thought a play on "hail caesar" would be a good idea
nubbins`: massive posters in bus shelters everywhere depicting a chicken sandwich
nubbins`: "HAIL MARY" in foot-high letters
nubbins`: catholic church became very upset
nubbins`: shocked that the mother of god would be compared to a chicken sandwich!
nubbins`: and so the posters came back down
ThickAsThieves: shoulda used prints
nubbins`: i lel'd
ThickAsThieves: catholic church is very snooty about such things
nubbins`: we've actually been experimenting with silkscreening posters for taping to poles
mircea_popescu: so how's the printing office going ?
nubbins`: great, A+++, would do business with again
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ^ surprisingly resilient to the elements
nubbins`: we bought a 36"x1000' roll of red kraft paper, great idea
nubbins`: anyway, shit to do. peace
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.0077 = 0.385 BTC
benkay: #python-pdx
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 333 @ 0.00299799 = 0.9983 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 129 @ 0.0077 = 0.9933 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 5000 @ 0.0077 = 38.5 BTC
TomServo: What's your standard response to "It's a ponzi!"?
mike_c: you mean pyramid scheme?
TomServo: heh, nope
TomServo: Although that'd be more accurate. You mean, that's your response?
mike_c: tough to be a ponzi without somebody running the whole thing.
ThickAsThieves: i thought the standard respinse IS it's a ponzi
pircea_momescu: ThickAsThieves it's is a ponzi !
mike_c: somebody is typically holding all the money in a ponzi. who would that be?
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TomServo: It's Mircea innit? :D
mike_c: he's got all the bitcoins :) somebody would have to have all the fiat for it to be a ponzi.
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TomServo: Ha, true.
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mircea_popescu: it's a prizzi!
benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: what's stupid about the NTRU encryption scheme?
benkay: (assuming there's something dumb and that you two'd know)
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davout: TomServo: it's not a pyramid scheme, it's a triangular opportunity
TomServo: haha, I like it!
davout: i didn't come up with it, i think it comes from the simpsons
davout: cryptomnesia ftw
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kleeck_: What is the best place to short BTC?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00079052 = 2.2925 BTC [+]
davout: kleeck_: you could buy some puts on mpex
benkay: kleeck_: MPEx.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33330001 BTC [-]
benkay: or sell some calls if you're sufficiently capitalized.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3333 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5844 @ 0.00048987 = 2.8628 BTC [+] {4}
mike_c: or on coinbr.com (mpex broker)
davout: benkay: i've been working on my financial education a lot recently still lots to learn, but isn't it much more dangerous to write options than it is to buy them ?
davout: the way i understand it you can lose a lot but your profit is capped by the price at which you sell the option
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mike_c: yes, but you profit sooner
mike_c: at a higher price that is
davout: unlike futures where your profit varies linearly with the spot price of the underlying at maturity/expiration
davout: amirite?
davout: mike_c: well, i guess it's up to the party who writes the option to come up with the right price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2800 @ 0.00048999 = 1.372 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.0031821 = 0.3087 BTC [-]
davout: got myself "Options, futures, and other derivatives" doing the problems, I feel like I'm back in college xD
davout: mike_c: see, that's the kind of graphs I want to really understand by coming up with them the hard way :-)
benkay: pricing options is an open problem, yes.
davout: the MPOE bot knows something about it hehe
mike_c: i value learning by experience, but the p/l graphs are definitely something you should understand before trading options.
davout: i'm not touching options, and i certainly won't write them
benkay: if you really want to understand options, write a pricing algo.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 221 @ 0.0077 = 1.7017 BTC
asciilifeform: benkay: lattice crypto is interesting but (relatively) poorly studied; plenty of opportunity for fukkupy
asciilifeform: and the pubkeys tend to end up hefty (64kB+.)
benkay: i'd like to see a shor-resistant cryptocurrency.
benkay: kinda the only altcoin that makes practical sense.
asciilifeform: benkay: there are several hypothetical altcoins that would make practical sense.
benkay: just so that when cold wallets start emptying themselves those who keep their eyes on these things have another class of cryptocoin to move into.
asciilifeform: say, my crackpot 'turingcoin' (arbitrary calculation for workfunction.)
davout: benkay: i guess i'll need to understand how to model volatility before writing one
mircea_popescu: davout the main difference between options and futures is that a correctly implemented future allows physical delivery,
mircea_popescu: which keeps the market honest.
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davout: can you elaborate on the keeping the market honest part ?
mircea_popescu: absent that, futures are awkwardly skinned options.
davout: and on the awkwardly skinned options part ? :-)
mircea_popescu: davout yeah. if you buy the right to receive livestock in the future, as long as you can't actually take the livestock
mircea_popescu: you're stuck realising whatever price whoever sold you the contract decides
mircea_popescu: ifthey say livestock is 10 dollars that's that.
mircea_popescu: if however you CAN take the livestock, then they are well incentivised to not declare livestock worth 10 dollars, cause you'll just take it.
davout: when you close your position you mean?
davout: ya i see
asciilifeform: self-emptying coldwallets, should they appear, would almost certainly be explained by compromised electronics (airgap that isn't) rather than QM sorcery.
mircea_popescu: at all points.
davout: finance is terrifyingly interesting
mircea_popescu: an option resolves this problem by trading on the spot. futures trade on their own "implied" spot, and so you can easily be stuck
davout: learning about it is quite enjoyable
davout: you lost me there
mircea_popescu: (for instance it's convincingly arguing atm that the large banks are keeping rthe gold price very low throuigh this exact trickery)
benkay: whereas if you take posession of the livestock, you can sell them for the market price.
mircea_popescu: davout the price at which options settle is not related to the price at which options trade, in the sense these are independent values.
mircea_popescu: the price at which futures settle is QUITE the price at which they trade.
davout: but the spot is still the spot right? i mean, it reflects the actual price of things? or am i missing something obvious here?
benkay: asciilifeform: the first set of course
mircea_popescu: thje spot is the spot, but the actual price shall never be known.
davout: haha
benkay: asciilifeform: i'm entertaining ideas about practical altcoin design
asciilifeform: benkay: programmable workfunction (part of the protocol, in my concept) would give you some teeth against asic, etc.
mircea_popescu: why do you want " teeth against asic" ?
ThickAsThieves: hey guys, where can I short the bitcoin?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're sitting on a warehouse full of fpga.
mircea_popescu: seems a silly way to design things
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm at chapter 2 of my book, hopefully i'll grok moar and come up with better questions as i progress
asciilifeform: or simply if you'd prefer a cryptocoin that doesn't degenerate into semiconductor plants as central banks
benkay: asciilifeform: examples: targeting fpga's; dynamic workfns (as you mentioned); sorcery resistance
mircea_popescu: davout enjoi.
TomServo: davout: which book?
TomServo: Thanks
davout: feels like a good way to invest 100eur
TomServo: ThickAsThieves: This is the UK onion right? *sigh*
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dub: asciilifeform: swapping them for guys with warehouses of pgas as central banks?
asciilifeform: dub: naturally. i was reasoning from the point of view of the people who have them. they have an incentive.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0077 = 0.154 BTC
pankkake: http://pastebin.com/RRSPfDkp I get a PM a day about this stupid altcoin now :/
ozbot: Hello I came across your giveaway thread at---https://bitcointalk - Pastebin.com
pankkake: haha and they don't accept litecoin as payment
benkay: hey mircea_popescu what does anul 5 d.Tr. mean?
mike_c: asciilifeform: i don't see how arbitrary work function helps. have you written something up on this? i'm missing the part where it keeps asics out of the game.
pankkake: ;;ud anul
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anul | this is a mis-spelling of anal which could then lead to abuse by two bi-sexuals.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: anul
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mike_c: like you said, governments can crank out a new asic in a matter of weeks..
TomServo: benkay: Year 5, I think?
KRS|gotyawallet: mike_c: not the U.S.. I mean, have you known the U.S. to get anything done in a matter of weeks?
mike_c: asciilifeform said the nsa has a plant that does it
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asciilifeform: well, that could in principle do it.
pankkake: they can force Intel to do it
asciilifeform: the point wouldn't be to wiggle out from under each new batch of asics
asciilifeform: but to run a network with heterogeneous workfunctions.
mike_c: i don't see how that prevents the semiconductor plants from being boss. they can still crank out the most work, regardless of what that work is.
mike_c: unless its planting tomatoes or something.
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ThickAsThieves: so this forbes guy that wanted to short bitcoin so badly, ythink he knew about this china announcement?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.002995 = 0.4972 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: shady shit
mircea_popescu: it never ends
ozbot: Next generation 14nm mining grid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33805978 BTC [-]
pankkake: We plan to harness what will soon be the largest and most efficient pool of hashing power in the world"
mircea_popescu: herpderpetc
mircea_popescu: i plan to fart a new ring for saturn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33806979 = 0.6761 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I can finally have my ASIC phone?
ThickAsThieves: and the floor tiles, are they in the works?
pankkake: oh right it's the smartphone idea, lol. that's why I closed it the first time
mircea_popescu: i like the part about THE SCAMMERS chjecking other people's records./
pankkake: floor tiles would actually be smart (if you have nothing better than electricity)
mircea_popescu: bloody nigerian cheek.
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt want no criminals holding shares now
pankkake: perhaps they are nigerians with an ethical policy of only scamming americans
nubbins`: aaaaugh
nubbins`: 60 minutes on a stationary bike
nubbins`: definitely less fun than 60 minutes on a moving bike
Vexual: worst botnet ever
Vexual: chinese pesants can't put bitcoins in the bank. am i reading correctly?
ozbot: 2012 5 BTC Casascius Physical Bitcoin Redeemed Bonus 5MBTC Coin Loaded w BTC | eBay
nubbins`: ^ arij from -otc got $234.50 for a token :0
pankkake: ALUMINUM!!!!
nubbins`: ah, i thought it was nickel?
nubbins`: not sure
ThickAsThieves: "The residue resulting from peeling off the hologram is included."
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i went a step further and removed all messy residue from mine
nubbins`: maybe that's why it's only at $145
ThickAsThieves: residue not included
nubbins`: residue sold separately
nubbins`: Up for auction is one (1) ball of residue from a Casascius physical bitcoin
nubbins`: wow your friends! scare your mom!
ThickAsThieves: here's the "try" email of the day
ThickAsThieves: "Hello: I am interested in opening a account.
ThickAsThieves: Thank you."
nubbins`: one-line reply
nubbins`: "Thank you for your interest."
ThickAsThieves: Thank you foR Your interest.
nubbins`: bolded for emphasis
nubbins`: if only the letters "h-a-r-d-e-r" were in the word "interest"
ThickAsThieves: maybe usg is trying to set me up or some shit
nubbins`: time to relocate
Vexual: st kitss has good residue
ThickAsThieves: i went for "We do not offer accounts."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00079145 = 9.1412 BTC [+] {2}
KRS|gotyawallet: another exchange coming it looks like..well funded launch too
ozbot: » itBit closes $3.25 mln funding round and unveils Bitcoin trading platform
KRS|gotyawallet: ecom type web sites can easily chew through that kind of funding..hope its just the initial round of investment
ThickAsThieves: Neo is more well-funded even
benkay: "retail investors must reside outside the us"
benkay: the decline doth proceed apace.
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 273270 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 905 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 4 hours, 49 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 871682636.513 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.222
Vexual: I thought that was creative chinese tax accountants i could hear
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1106.00001, Best ask: 1106.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.44999, Last trade: 1106.0, 24 hour volume: 58208.70733260, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1067.55523
pankkake: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1026.26, Best ask: 1031.45, Bid-ask spread: 5.19000, Last trade: 1034.03, 24 hour volume: 187327.5, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 1062.1
benkay: ;;calc 1106*30
gribble: 33180
pankkake: ;;premium mtgox bitstamp
gribble: Premium of MtGox over Bitstamp is currently 8.56154367093 %.
mircea_popescu: itbit eh
benkay: ;;calc 1026.26*30
gribble: 30787.8
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00079236 = 0.3169 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nbwajhahaha cellphone mining
mircea_popescu: where do these retards get assembled i wish to know
nubbins`: i guess icbit was taken
pankkake: I love when they get angry at you (like 7C it seems). Who's begging for who's money?
mike_c: people are angry at you on the forums? hard to believe.
ozbot: University of Nicosia Receives First Tuition Payment Using Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: Who will be the first Master of Digital Currency?
ozbot: University of Nicosia
ThickAsThieves: they arent kidding
pankkake: a bitcoin class, why not? there's already on for starcraft http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/01/uc-berkeley-int/
ThickAsThieves: right on the home page
ThickAsThieves: I met that guy, in the Video section
ThickAsThieves: was pretty interesting guy
ThickAsThieves: vid is Greek tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 16 @ 0.0077 = 0.1232 BTC {2}
ozbot: MSc Digital Currency | University of Nicosia
nubbins`: pascale re: S.NSA t-shirts
nubbins`: "remember the models with their pussies out?"
nubbins`: "yep"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0029 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: How to bet against the bitcoin megabubble - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00285973 = 0.4833 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285 = 0.285 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: "that lead me to question just how real the prices MPEx was quoting were"
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: hey, it's stephen gandel!
benkay: as real as the people buying them, one assumes
benkay: 2 contracts minimum to profit
benkay: well i say
benkay: sounds like you need some capitalization
benkay: american "news" organizations
ThickAsThieves: mpex on fortune
benkay: "you can totally short bitcoins profitably - it just takes a lot of money to make it reasonably profitable. ergo, bitcoins r tardfodder."
benkay: *rage rage rage rage*
Vexual: I was told this happens a lot.
ThickAsThieves: "You can't currently do that with bitcoins. All of the bitcoin options and futures contracts are settled in bitcoins. This is a very bad deal."
ThickAsThieves: I guess he didnt get it
Apocalyptic: the first comment was from pankkake
pankkake: I got quoted on options?
ThickAsThieves: "On top of all that, this isn't like trading on the New York Stock Exchange. Midday Wednesday, MPEx appeared to shut down, and the prices of the contracts disappeared. I was told this happens a lot. As of early Thursday, the exchange still wasn't listing prices. "
pankkake: I don't even know what options are!
ThickAsThieves: i dont see where any of us are quoted ... ?
Apocalyptic: don't see it either
Apocalyptic: pankkake, no look at the first comment author's avatar
Apocalyptic: it's you amirite
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: Apocalyptic: haha, it's my avatar but not me
davout: pankkake: i thought it was you as well :-)
ThickAsThieves: oh i get ya
pankkake: I certainly don't mind the media talking about bitcoin, even if bad
ThickAsThieves: pankkakecat trolls even better than the real one
ThickAsThieves: forbes guy coulda at least gave the chan a shoutout sheesh
Apocalyptic: indeed
pankkake: at least he didn't mention that when he joined the discussion was about underage actresses
davout: lol
ThickAsThieves: wait'll he finds out about bitcoin securities
pankkake: they clearly have the power to pump any security or altcoin they want
davout: could've been worse, he could have walked in on mp explaining how he manages his slaves herd
Vexual: revealing sources instantly transmogriphys a senior editing journalist into a lowly blogger
benkay: one wonders if he noticed.
davout: would be funny if someone posted a link to the log in the comments
ThickAsThieves: now yer talkin
ThickAsThieves: Full transcript of the author's research here!
benkay: someone do that please.
Vexual: i wonder if they'll print it
Vexual: fortune still on nesstands?
pankkake: newstands still on?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00079236 = 20.3637 BTC [+]
benkay: yessss exactly.
Vexual: nelson mandela issue, buy mpoe
mircea_popescu: lol wtf confusion in that guy's head
mircea_popescu: why is it the exchange's problem if the bot puts or doesn't put orders in
pankkake: "The best I could come up with is shorting the GPU manufacturers that bitcoin miners commonly use" in the comments
mircea_popescu: i suppose he missed the part where last month ppl made like 3k btc or w./e
pankkake: and the obligatory tulip bulp mention
mircea_popescu: i guess it's hard being clueless and yet havintg to write about shit.
ThickAsThieves: hey no one pointed out that bitcoin's worth more than Google
ThickAsThieves: (shares)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02888997 = 0.2889 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 15 @ 0.0077 = 0.1155 BTC
mircea_popescu: because google isn't backed by anything
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, well in your case the exchange is the market maker also
Apocalyptic: but he didn't mention that and seem to have no clue so yeah
Vexual: next time someone should probably wake mircea
benkay: dem market caps
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic not really, i mean they're conglomerated but separate.
benkay: well, it's no surprise really - people don't understand even market capitalization.
benkay: Apocalyptic: the market maker not quoting prices is not anywhere near similar to the exchange going down.
Apocalyptic: benkay, I know that
Apocalyptic: I just pointed out that in this specific case MPEX and MPOE are somehow closely related, so it may be relevant to point it out if done correctly
mircea_popescu: moreover, the bot's under no obligation to quote
mircea_popescu: well yeah, that.
benkay: hey we have quotes on options again!
benkay: too late for the unfortunate article :(
Vexual: rushed for the china bank news no doubt
pankkake: well he meant that MPEx was unreliable basically. having the quotes back doesn't change that
mircea_popescu: well... the bot not quoting has little to do with mpex's reliability.
pankkake: then the bot was unreliable!
benkay: bringing some light to that "somehow" is the sort of thing one'd expect a 'journalist' to do.
benkay: you missed the sarcasm in the smiley.
mircea_popescu: well... the bot isn't particularly intended to be reliable.
benkay: senior editor can't distinguish market maker from market operator.
pankkake: senile editor
Apocalyptic: pankkake, did you say senile redditor ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00079292 = 14.8276 BTC [+]
Vexual: calls are riskier, so he stuck to looking at puts.
pankkake: redditors are babies
BingoBoingo: Why didn't he mention his failure to fund the CoinBR account with his credit card? http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/12/05/betting-against-bitcoin-bubble/?iid=SF_F_River
Vexual: now that would have been some gritty investigative journalism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00299499 = 0.2516 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i thought google was backed by the fact that they know everything about our private lives
pankkake: I wonder if there are futures for data storage
pankkake: google could use that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 80 @ 0.0077 = 0.616 BTC
benkay: google is fiat currency
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0077 = 0.154 BTC
benkay: future for delivery of 100tb
pankkake: I have about 50tb of raw storage at home! not The Google yet, but nice
Vexual: thats a lot of blank dvds
nubbins`: not bad
Apocalyptic: lot of floppies
pankkake: my worst fear would be magnets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.02888997 = 0.5489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02888998 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02899998 = 0.116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.029 = 0.464 BTC [+]
nubbins`: cat has gone haywire
nubbins`: fucking with a zig-zag
nubbins`: pankkake you guys must have some cool zig-zags over there hey?
ozbot: Zig-Zag (company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: big name in papers!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00317074 = 0.2854 BTC [-] {6}
ozbot: Ouya now accepts Bitcoin payments (update) | Polygon
nubbins`: much type. many smoke. wow.
pankkake: so ouya isn't dead yet
nubbins`: it does, however, go to bed at a more reasonable hour
ThickAsThieves: from the comments: "Next, Ouya starts accepting canned goods and other non perishable food items."
nubbins`: i guess that guy's hot sauce won't cut it, then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8690 @ 0.00079274 = 6.8889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16441 @ 0.00079024 = 12.9923 BTC [-]
ozbot: World’s Deadliest Drug: Photos and Video Inside a Krokodil Cookhouse - LightBox
deadweas1l: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1065.005, Best ask: 1073.98999, Bid-ask spread: 8.98499, Last trade: 1073.98999, 24 hour volume: 57435.83831195, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1238.0, 24 hour vwap: 1062.0459
jamespeerless: seems like bit bet's method of calculating winnings is kind of flawed? it lends itself to horrible odds.. why would someone risk 1BTC to receive like .001 btc.. shouldn't they try to match bets of the same fixed odds and just return leftover amounts?
mike_c: he wants tradesports
pankkake: perhaps you're looking at a bet that is soon to be ending?
Duffer1: it's not a booky site, just straight up bets
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: You could make a bookie sort of site like that which trades and hedges on BitBet...
jamespeerless: i guess even disregarding the weight factor, if there's only .01BTC available on one option and you want to bet like 3BTC on the other side.. you are risking 3BTC to win the .01
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02959996 = 0.2664 BTC [+]
jamespeerless: i guess you'd be dumb to bet 3btc in that scenario then :P
pankkake: yeah, it's annoying. so I wait for someone to bet, but someone might be doing the same
jamespeerless: yeah wonder how you can fix that case
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.029 = 0.464 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02309999 = 0.1155 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00299483 = 0.4971 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: As long as your large BitBet bets are large enough to make the other side of the bet seem appealing, generally I've noticed the money to match generally shows up.
jamespeerless: yeah seems to make sense
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: It also helps when you put the money down earlier in the bet, especially when it is a bet where either side could happen
jamespeerless: yeah gives you better odds and bigger winnings once the other money shows up
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: Definitely, but you have to watch bitbet for these bets as they occur so money that opposes you can also cone in on favorable weight
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 319 @ 0.00316971 = 1.0111 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00315 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33781999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23268 @ 0.0007892 = 18.3631 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33951502 = 0.679 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33779999 = 0.6756 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: one can also bet on BOTH SIDES ZOMG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34000001 = 0.68 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [+]
javanomad: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1028.15001, Best ask: 1029.99999, Bid-ask spread: 1.84998, Last trade: 1030.0, 24 hour volume: 58609.48103979, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1238.0, 24 hour vwap: 1053.94335
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
javanomad: ;;ud fnord
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fnord | A fnord is a propaganda word conditioned in the masses from a very young age to respond to, usually with fear, anxiety, or uneasiness, but unable t...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: fnord
nubbins`: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
nubbins`: "While the bitcoin price is high ($40+) it is a great time to invest in hardware, as we are getting the most out of our coin."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: lol...
nubbins`: sounds like everyone involved really did their due diligence
Duffer1: "they" are for sure, the customers... not so much
kakobrekla: STOP SLANDERING BRITNEY NOW
kakobrekla: OH MY GOD POOR BRITNEY
nubbins`: running mascara or it doesn't count
kakobrekla: i dont have a webcam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: i dont see anything good on havelock
kakobrekla: just checked after some long time
benkay: it's almost enough to make a kid turn scammer
kakobrekla: the kid is a idiot scammer
kakobrekla: it was fuckin proven on the forum
kakobrekla: he also sucks cock.
kakobrekla: jurov` nudge nudge
nubbins`: ah, but does he have a webcam?
kakobrekla: not sure
kakobrekla: prolly on his faggotary macbook
nubbins`: call me when there's something to watch ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33789999 = 0.6758 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1904 @ 0.000105 = 0.1999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1498999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: hey kakobrekla what's the bitcoin forex hedge fund called?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Are you sure his mouth is even clean enough to suck cocks? With all the the scam in there he might not have room...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33789999 = 0.6758 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.05025001 = 0.3518 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.05025001 = 0.2513 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo you know he did find space for whatever inaba is packing.
kakobrekla: benkay panacea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.05025001 = 0.1508 BTC [-]
benkay: ThickAsThieves: setting up a panacea PT yet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05025 = 0.1005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well Inaba is also full of scam as well. When scam prevents adequate blood flow of course Inaba will only be able to offer Garr a limp and flexible member.
javanomad: ;;seen unbalanced
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 37 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <unbalanced> *Part Tops = what drunk people call Pop Tarts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33789999 = 0.6758 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33779999 = 0.6756 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33779999 = 0.6756 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker --markets all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
thestringpuller: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 1040.03522, vol: 58949.60700610 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 980.4, vol: 59279.49481105 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 960.0, vol: 58177.97009 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 986.99, vol: 11114.25670693 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 987.37, vol: 356.96774261 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1002.7229, vol: 123607.91300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 996.977492472
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 879 blocks | Estimated Change: 22.6255% in 4d 17h 18m 26s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3378 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect it's all for people who want to run OpenGenera.
asciilifeform: got a pile of these alphas right here.
asciilifeform: had to throw some out last year, to make space...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, that's what I've been pricing alphastations for...
asciilifeform: my advice, try the pc version 1st
asciilifeform: it's a serious time commitment; not for everyone.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well As a hobby project I'm thinking of setting up a webserver and running the blog off of it. Basically rewriting the parts of wordpress I like and letting the rest die in a fire, perhaps literally http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/
benkay: what, lisp in general or the whole symbolics compu-archaeology?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33799999 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Just writing a blogging web ap for myself that I can confirm isn't running on x86
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
BingoBoingo: benkay: But also doing it on beefy enough hardware to just work
asciilifeform: well, genera comes with john c. mallery's cl-http.
asciilifeform: you can work up from there.
thestringpuller: dude what is the actual average price?
thestringpuller: the options don't seem to be priced right
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nothing is priced right
asciilifeform: (btw i have it on fairly reliable rumor that mallery owns symbolics corp. now.)
benkay: sounds like something i'd do if i weren't busy acquring every btc in price
mike_c: you accounting for the 0.1 lot size?
benkay: trying to, and acquiring
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: so right now average price of 0.1 lot is 99.6 right?
mircea_popescu: something like that
thestringpuller: so with a strike price of 110
thestringpuller: for O.USD.P110T
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've also been thinking about an Alpha+BSD+GNUGuille stack
thestringpuller: (110 - 99.6) / 99.6 no?
thestringpuller: ;;calc (110 - 99.6) / 99.6
gribble: 0.104417670683
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can use any old pile of junk, then, doesn't have to be a DEC.
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1046.96724, Best ask: 1052.97, Bid-ask spread: 6.00276, Last trade: 1046.0, 24 hour volume: 58953.24632437, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1238.0, 24 hour vwap: 1052.78918
thestringpuller: am I doing that right mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller seems it's morel ike 1050
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 5/105
gribble: 0.047619047619
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if all you want is a web server on a 'i personally set every damn bit' sort of machine, something like this: http://www.kyllikki.org/hardware/wwwpic2/ is a better project.
thestringpuller: how did you come up with that number
thestringpuller: sorry the 0.1 lot is throwing me off
asciilifeform: necromantically resurrecting ancient iron is not a panacea. the systems of the past had their own security flaws (irix, i'm looking at you)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thanks. I'm still in the reading, research, and playing with languages stage.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pick a reasonably capable microcontroller and learn that.
mircea_popescu: im going into the playing with tits stage.
mircea_popescu: later all.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I used to be fond of Sun Hardware, but a lot of flaws seem to come out of SPARC systems.
asciilifeform: it isn't the SPARC (or Alpha, or whoever) that is to blame, it's unix
asciilifeform: and cancerous complexity in general.
mike_c: it's a bug
BingoBoingo: Seems so really ascii
ozbot: O.USD.P110T last @0.00000000
mike_c: price is half there what it is on the homepage
BingoBoingo: mike_c: The problem is that over time bugs become deatures
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33779999 = 0.6756 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Maybe the bot knows something you don't?
asciilifeform: there is something to be said for even the most humble microcontroller. the PIC16F84 (mentioned in the link, also my 1st micro as a kid) has separate address spaces for code and data.
asciilifeform: overflow that.
mike_c: er. homepage says 0.01, put page says 0.05. that's a bug :)
mike_c: derp. i was looking at sell on the put page.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll get to reading.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: dunno where popescu got that number
thestringpuller: I think the bot is misquoting
thestringpuller: either that or where it's getting it's average isn't available to us
thestringpuller: nanotube: you should really fix the ;;bc,24hprc when you get the chance
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
asciilifeform: and yes, that's all of them.
mike_c: why misquoting? It's willing to buy the put at .0104, and that is basically intrinsic value.
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of IRC is the logs basically compile a reading list.
mike_c: seems right..
asciilifeform: there is really very little more fun you could have as a programmer, than on a machine that you can completely understand.
mike_c: ;;calc ((110 - 99.6) / 99.6) * 0.1
gribble: 0.0104417670683
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well as I view things I do more regularly (betting valuations in SAGE mostly) I generally thing of my self as a scripter more than a person who programs. I think I'm going to have fun with the PIC
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: learning a micro will teach you what everyone in the '80s knew: that low-level programming doesn't have to be a misery.
asciilifeform: avoid the ones that are typically used with a traditional OS (most of the modern offering - ARM, etc.)
asciilifeform: those are less pleasant to program directly.
BingoBoingo: Well asciilifeform Looks like I have a project nao, thanks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any particular FPGA toolchains worth leaning or do they get replaced too soon.
asciilifeform: don't learn a toolchain, learn verilog (or vhdl)
asciilifeform: i prefer verilog
asciilifeform: both xilinx ('coke'), altera 'pepsi', and lattice 'inca cola' will happily eat both.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00314994 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: never buy xilinx and altera boards new, they're pennies to the dollar on ebay and the like.
nubbins`: i had an inca cola t-shirt
asciilifeform: avoid boards specifically designed for cryptocoin mining, they are i/o-poor.
nubbins`: think i gave it away
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00313504 = 0.2006 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: micros are great, i made a MIDI clock signal generator some years ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00313513 = 0.511 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 28 @ 0.0077 = 0.2156 BTC
BingoBoingo: Cool, In about 15 years I might finally be a programmer
asciilifeform: more like 15 days
asciilifeform: buy a simple micro board, make a light blink.
asciilifeform: it will be fun.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 22 @ 0.0077 = 0.1694 BTC
BingoBoingo: All I want for Christmas nao is the ability to make a light blink.
nanotube: thestringpuller: ah yes, so i should thanks for the ping. looks like bitcoincharts changed urls on me.
nanotube: thestringpuller: fixed
mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 993.56
mike_c: thanks!
nanotube: yw :)
benkay: hey what do you call a snuggie worn backwards?
benkay: A FUCKING BATHROBE
nubbins`: ahh lel
javanomad: seen unbalanced
nubbins`: unfortunately, a backwards bathrobe gets all up in your throat
javanomad: ;;seen unbalanced
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 hours, 9 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <unbalanced> *Part Tops = what drunk people call Pop Tarts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0077 = 0.154 BTC
kakobrekla: it does have a hany pukebag nubbins`
kakobrekla: handy
kakobrekla: given the bathrobe has a hoodie
kakobrekla: mine does
nubbins`: ah, lucky
nubbins`: i wish mine did
nubbins`: could also be used to hold popcorn
ozbot: Every War On Drugs Myth Thoroughly Destroyed By A Retired Police Captain
nubbins`: waited til he retired, -1, ACAB
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.00290109 = 0.8674 BTC [-] {7}
benkay: ;;ud acab
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ACAB | All Cops Are Bastards A.C.A.B punks write it on stuff.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: ACAB
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 133 @ 0.0077 = 1.0241 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.0028902 = 0.4913 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Kleek: who the fuck wants to watch an upworthy video?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 70 @ 0.0077 = 0.539 BTC
ozbot: homicide da union - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Seriously, Youtube, have they even hear of OPSEC?
nubbins`: 7 ways this crazy police chief dismantled the war on drugs!
nubbins`: this police chief retired... you won't believe what he said next!
nubbins`: this gun is full of bullets, watch me hold it to my head and pull the trigger!
benkay: heh. videos.
nubbins`: seriously though, try to imagine something more cowardly than waiting until you retire to reveal that you knew your job was a crock of shit
nubbins`: so brave!
nubbins`: click to share!
nubbins`: watch this retired police captain masturbate in your face, just as he has for the past 35 years
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 19 @ 0.0077 = 0.1463 BTC
KRS|gotyawallet: nubbins` i met some old dude like that the other night..from the moment i met him he seemed like a flake..i couldnt imagine a life like that.
benkay: upworthy. always derpful linkbait.
ozbot: RCMP head Bob Paulson supports DNA collection on arrest - Politics - CBC News
nubbins`: cops, great champions of justice
asciilifeform: 2023: 'RCMP head Paul Bobson supports organ collection on arrest - Politics - CBC News.'
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