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nubbins`: paul son of bob son of paul
nubbins`: certainly the police wouldn't abuse this new power
nubbins`: certainly they wouldn't harvest dna from every single person at every political protest, starting the moment these new powers were granted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02959995 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.0029899 = 0.583 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0029899 = 0.2302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00078636 = 15.1767 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1045.71239, Best ask: 1053.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.28761, Last trade: 1045.71239, 24 hour volume: 59162.14677524, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1226.0, 24 hour vwap: 1049.52239
KRS|gotyawallet: Colleagues, is there such a thing as a continual throttled dump of sale of btc into the buys?
KRS|gotyawallet: without affecting market price much
BingoBoingo: KRS|gotyawallet: Sure.
KRS|gotyawallet: if the demand is there
KRS|gotyawallet: could that be what im seeing on gox?
KRS|gotyawallet: something is weird
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
KRS|gotyawallet: ok i think it was my view
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34020001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34030001 BTC [+]
youknowwhoiamand: —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) mQINBFFGg7oBEADSzyOH2sVbcVhvRXFg2k7HuS9Z0w1KLVRfuYxRTz38m71CUScn 5FWnIn+p0KSY6V8idluT0+7hyn8XId0S+i1JLKUi3kl4WjkLx5EkWisQF6noEloF fMUXwpd8dguRkydNdiAIBb3Ghw6ItGEVr0O22KAQR8O9pPx2UIouO+Z6SeBmzJYC i+TJPce60PZ77OqVN3w2m8RYsgZrRjB8F8dKwW1niTsZ6ZUzac3QFJIKMng7r8+X q7ZqgwKMjpoRmeL5Hctwag0yMURNSoXP7rU5bdC8bDT6NIOImWK1+08DH6Vq8JCU 8e2Zakct3P8sjAAQyx
youknowwhoiamand: you know who i am and why i'm here
youknowwhoiamand: you gonna talk or not. 10 minutes and i'm leaving
BingoBoingo: youknowwhoiamand: Really? that isn;t a whole public key
benkay: what is this "weird"?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that's your own key!
asciilifeform: or the first few dozen bytes anyway
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He aign't got the privates. Think of this a a way of hailing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: would be a tad bit more exciting if he signed with it.
benkay: ;;gettrust r3wt
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: ;;eauth BingoBoingo
gribble: Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
BingoBoingo: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f2fc991490457cde3962ebe7fad562a9fb77854ea305aa08e2be6603
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00078876 = 8.8341 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.3350004 = 1.675 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.33239521 = 4.3211 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;ident r3wt
gribble: Nick 'r3wt', with hostmask 'r3wt!add8887f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.136.127', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.33133963 = 3.3134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.33100001 = 0.993 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33100001 = 0.662 BTC [-]
dub: who is that and why are they here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29233 @ 0.00079107 = 23.1253 BTC [+] {2}
KRS|gotyawallet: r3wt had a bitnode address
Mayasaurus: KRS|gotyawallet: does he?
Mayasaurus: I'm looking for him.
KRS|gotyawallet: After China's news some (imo) good news:
ozbot: This Whole Bitcoin Thing Could Be Big, Says Bank of America - Slashdot
KRS|gotyawallet: [sic] Bank of America "frowns at the possibility that regulators could step in and increase transaction costs.".
KRS|gotyawallet: lmao how could regulators do that? at the fiat exchange level?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00299421 = 0.3324 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.0029949 = 0.59 BTC [+]
zacm: regulators making things ireggular, as always
zacm: irregular actually
zacm: bank of america can buy as much btc as they like
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [-]
KRS|gotyawallet: all this f'n talk about bitcoin being worth $1300 is gonna fuck us for awhile.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16307 @ 0.00078805 = 12.8507 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: KRS|gotyawallet, why N
Apocalyptic: why would anyone actually think their valuation is relevant ?
Apocalyptic: because analysts are so accurate at evaluating stocks... let alone a technology that they can't really grasp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 993 @ 0.00079086 = 0.7853 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: apocolyptic: my thoughts exactly..
KRS|gotyawallet: we havent even scratched the surface of what btc can do and with that will come an increase of value
KRS|gotyawallet: just wait til africa starts buying..india..
KRS|gotyawallet: there is going to be a shortage
KRS|gotyawallet: [im speculating] we could look back at this someday and say "I can't believe we used to own and move entire units of btc around.".
KRS|gotyawallet: I'm also worried about an unweildy blockchain.
KRS|gotyawallet: I'm hoping Satoshi took that into account.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: KRS|gotyawallet, you're concerned by the size ?
jurov_: KRS|gotyawallet: I don't know what is worrying about the blockchain.
KRS|gotyawallet: i rly dont care about the size, i just care that its managable.
jurov_: I built dedicated miniitx machine with celeron 837 and spare 300GB HDD
jurov_: ant it runs fine both bitcoind and litecoind atand other stuff
jurov_: at same time
Apocalyptic: i don't see an issue with manageability
jurov_: whole setup $150
KRS|gotyawallet: jurov: memories of forking come to mind?
Apocalyptic: slovakian hardware is cheap
jurov_: lol
jurov`: what about fork?
KRS|gotyawallet: im just sayin i was thinking that the block chain could become unwieldy over time/growth..i admit i dont know a lot about it, but we haven't got to this size and usage yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00299633 = 0.1678 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 45 @ 0.05000024 = 2.25 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00299799 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.0077 = 0.2618 BTC
KRS|gotyawallet: cnbc is at it again- they keep dropping the 'B' word.
KRS|gotyawallet: Marc Faber, editor and publisher of The Gloom, Boom & Doom Report, told CNBC on Friday he believes a "massive speculative bubble" has encroached on everything from stocks and bonds to alternative currency bitcoin and farmland. He attributed the vast bubble to "symptoms of excess liquidity
KRS|gotyawallet: I'm thinking if there are that many bubbles forming and btc crashes instead of rallys, gold and silver is going to pluto.
KRS|gotyawallet: btc and precious metals are quickly approaching a point.
KRS|gotyawallet: throw in agriculture, land plus stocks and bond securities and you have the perfect storm
KRS|gotyawallet: U.S. securities valuations are coming to a head imo
KRS|gotyawallet: game over, anyone who wasnt smart by taking profits is broke
KRS|gotyawallet: imo I'll go balls deep into precious metals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00078376 = 9.7578 BTC [-]
KRS|gotyawallet: and if bitcoin rallys hell, I'll have a chair on the MPEX too.
KRS|gotyawallet: gl to all those who invested in zero coin or what the fuck
KRS|gotyawallet: (Read More: Faber: 'We are in a massive speculative bubble') http://www.cnbc.com/id/101235052
KRS|gotyawallet: Faber also referred to the rapid rise of bitcoin, the digital currency that crossed $1,200 early Friday, as an area affected by excess liquidity.
twizt: yea
twizt: mrkts are messed up...
twizt: the trade in the future is all about massive borrowing and investing proceeds into equities
twizt: but its not gonna work...
twizt: cuz they kept rates low and rallied stocks at same time
twizt: the trade happened b4 rates started rising
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.33033334 = 1.982 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.33 = 13.2 BTC [-] {4}
jurov`: after the huge "easing", what else did they expect?
jurov`: "excess liquidity" oh my
pankkake: how is that "liquidity" going to bitcoin buyers?
pankkake: unless banks are now buying bitcoins
jurov`: the newly "minted" usd inevitably leaks off banks
pankkake: well not in my pockets at least :/
twizt: too much free money
twizt: if ur a good creditworthy person (ie didnt get suckered into real estate investing pre collapse)
twizt: you can basically get any loan u want
jurov`: pankkake: if you sold any btc recently, then in fact, it did
pankkake: oh, true
pankkake: I have a loan :D
jurov`: heh , that too
twizt: yea like decent loans too with decent terms
twizt: just everyone else cant lol
pankkake: including a state 0% loan. I could have had two, but missed it due to bureaucracy (and now it doesn't exist)
pankkake: but at a point you could get about 40k€ 0% loan for real estate
pankkake: and my bank loan has pretty much no conditions
twizt: shit man i wish i could get a loan
twizt: been unemployed since april, sucks so much
pankkake: I lost my job a few months after taking the loan
pankkake: though unemployement really doesn't exist in my branch
twizt: yea i quit tho
pankkake: but I was really surprised by how easy it was to get it
twizt: lol
twizt: and ive been trying.. keep getting told im overqualified
pankkake: I hear it's harder to get loans now (in France), but still
twizt: i apply to jobs where i meet the 2 year experience mark.. still overqualified
pankkake: never understood that overqualified thing. must be another reason
twizt: yea def
pankkake: or they fear you won't stay?
twizt: was willing to take pay cut etc.
twizt: prolly
twizt: but i wouldnt do that
pankkake: that's what I got in some interviews, prove us you will stay with us
twizt: check this, i went to interview for a job right (finance/accounting), hiring manager saw that I could code
twizt: referred me to another job
twizt: within same company
twizt: i go for that job, talk to the SVP who tells me they'll create a hybrid finance/tech job for me
twizt: then tell me over overqualified.. for the job they said they would create for me
twizt: what kind of shit is that
twizt: and i cant compete with candidates with degrees in compsci
twizt: for compsci jobs
twizt: i could code, and figure stuff out to get things working.. but cant recite stuff off the top of my head
pankkake: eh, many small companies don't really care about diplomas (at least those where I worked)
pankkake: show that you can create something and you're better than 99%
twizt: yea but u know compsci jobs are gonna have compsci kids applying
twizt: i had a interview yesterday, and another one in 3 hrs
twizt: crossing my fingers
twizt: lol
pankkake: good luck :)
jurov`: twizt, we need writers, traders, anyone.. not just compsci
twizt: jurov`: well i was a risk analyst.developer at my last gig
twizt: was the leash to traders
twizt: so the programming helped
twizt: charge of wires, cash transfers, margin monitoring, etc.
jurov`: why not throw the cv in here?
twizt: just broadcast CV to random peeps?
twizt: lol
twizt: i wanna kno what im applying to first!
twizt: and for WHO
jurov`: risk analysis indeed :D
twizt: u might google me and find out im really sexy and start stalking me too
twizt: dont want that
twizt: ;)
jurov`: we're past that point, i'm talking to you already
jurov`: do you realize?
twizt: realize what exactly o_O
jurov`: nm
jurov`: oh you wrote stalking, i read talking
twizt: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.0031201 = 0.1654 BTC [+]
jurov`: i can keep tabs on you too, no problem ;)
twizt: i cant wait to get a job
twizt: im gonna pour money into my sauce man
twizt: and be a sauce millionaire lol
jurov`: pretty unsanitary, if you ask me
twizt: figuratively
twizt: not literally
KRS|gotyawallet: twizt: where are you located?
twizt: new york metro
KRS|gotyawallet: trying to get a feel for your job market
twizt: connecticut
twizt: there's jobs, but usually goes to family members
KRS|gotyawallet: did you used to ride the weehawken train
twizt: nah
twizt: metro north
KRS|gotyawallet: damn shame that is
KRS|gotyawallet: train wreck not far from manhattan
twizt: oh yea i saw that
KRS|gotyawallet: 80 mph on a 30 curve
twizt: that was metro north man
twizt: the derailed one
twizt: derailed in the bronx
KRS|gotyawallet: oh..been a long time since i've been in New York City
KRS|gotyawallet: anyway good luck with that later
twizt: ty
KRS|gotyawallet: check it theres also jobs for bitcoin saw it on a website
KRS|gotyawallet: avoid sam
KRS|gotyawallet: jurov: you looking for talent?
jurov`: yes
KRS|gotyawallet: I dont even know what you do besides coinbr
KRS|gotyawallet: I'm down for whatever, although I made plans since 01 november to take the rest of the year off.
jurov`: my first "startup" was simpleshell.com
jurov`: if anyone could take it over, would be glad
jurov`: have many other ideas, too
KRS|gotyawallet: nice, does this fully pipe out too? to other web sessions? devices?
KRS|gotyawallet: | /dev/whatever
KRS|gotyawallet: > /dev/sound etc
jurov`: dont think you have the permissions
KRS|gotyawallet: its a real shell?
jurov`: but if you can annoy aws staff by shrieking souds, by all means do it
jurov`: try researching if it's real ;)
KRS|gotyawallet: ok thats one of my things
KRS|gotyawallet: hardened huh jv2?
KRS|gotyawallet: i'll see about that..i have editor, a compiler..nice
KRS|gotyawallet: i'll have to start trolling memory locations =D
KRS|gotyawallet: did you hear that researchers have found a way to look outside of a vm, like a vmware virtual machine for instance
jurov`: that's why it's limited to 15min.. would not be so easy to upkeep otherwise
KRS|gotyawallet: not sure if they patched it, but it read as a huge problem, because vmware shares memory, you can grab the memory contents of other machines and even the host
mircea_popescu: how's the limit help tho ?
jurov`: so far it was not haacked , only some dos
KRS|gotyawallet: i wish i had more time, if theres a compiler and a text editor i could start doing funny stuff
jurov`: anyway, if you can break outside of aws container, i'm interested
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1058 @ 0.00300122 = 3.1753 BTC [+] {4}
KRS|gotyawallet: i dabble in security
jurov`: i can extend you session if you want
KRS|gotyawallet: ill hit you up about that
twizt: china
twizt: lol
KRS|gotyawallet: Somalia?
mircea_popescu: shanghai yes
KRS|gotyawallet: dont tell me thats china smog
mircea_popescu: the funny part is, back when the center was in the west, it'd have been london, or ny.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1078 @ 0.00301626 = 3.2515 BTC [+] {6}
KRS|gotyawallet: those poor bastards are living in an ashtray
mircea_popescu: bwahaha this takes the cake
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr "o hey there you are. i had a nightmare. you and inaba were taking me to the urologist."
jurov`: KRS|gotyawallet:basically i think if you add btc/ltc payments, it can make something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4409 @ 0.00301993 = 13.3149 BTC [+] {6}
jurov`: ]currently it's like $10/mo from the ads
jurov`: but of course, stakes get higher from permanent shell access
KRS|gotyawallet: jurov, I need suid on /bin/sh plz
jurov`: it's mounted nosuid anyway :P
KRS|gotyawallet: just a jail
KRS|gotyawallet: with a hook to javascript maybe?
jurov`: the anyterm does it
mircea_popescu: stop whining and get your own root :D
KRS|gotyawallet: i like ez
KRS|gotyawallet: will social engineering work? :P
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 5B before June
mircea_popescu: here we go, get it while it's hawt.
jurov`: to me? dunno, i made even burnside apologize publicly
mircea_popescu: what was that about ?
jurov`: burnside was trolling coinbr on trolltalk
jurov`: some year ago. i just just politely replied and waited for him to repent
jurov`: so much for social engineering
mircea_popescu: i recall that, but i think krs meant "gets your pw"
KRS|gotyawallet: i didnt know you guys knew this stuff
KRS|gotyawallet: i thought you were all finance propellerheads
mircea_popescu: your irony is showing
jurov`: oh and you can actually get the pw. if you promise to take it somewhere
KRS|gotyawallet: and finance geniuses i must say
jurov`: maybe even IPO on havelock :DDD
KRS|gotyawallet: haha how are they doing since panama
jurov`: see the log yest
KRS|gotyawallet: jurov i might start doing some thinking about this-
KRS|gotyawallet: im seeing a btc hosting provider offering
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.003014 = 0.1808 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Fifty thousand people signed up online for New Jersey’s gambling sites in the first week. That compares with 741 who signed up for Obamacare during all of October.
mircea_popescu: apparently just-dice is siolid competition for new york.
jurov`: dunno, there are throngs hosting providers.. offering a shell you can do stuff in immediately it's better imo
KRS|gotyawallet: pay per minute hosting
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet there's certainly a market, asciilifeform long wanted a host, i asked namworld for a price like a month ago, still waiting.
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 1017.35
KRS|gotyawallet: wonder whats special about this
KRS|gotyawallet: i'm going to think about this
jurov`: no messing up with installation, searching the right packages
KRS|gotyawallet: its just a jail that can be rebooted at any time right
KRS|gotyawallet: cant mess anything up it comes form an image
jurov`: yes
jurov`: the us contractor just recommended me to use niggas.txt next time :D
mircea_popescu: you've done your part reclaiming that unfortunate word, ThickAsThieves wouild be proud
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00314499 = 0.1447 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: damnit you've got me mesmerized with this damn terminal
KRS|gotyawallet: I got it- Run your very own Supernode! Virtual terminal access. 0.03 BTC/hour. http://simpleshell.com
ThickAsThieves: i assume he said NOT to use niggers.txt next time
KRS|gotyawallet: so who here is near chennai
KRS|gotyawallet: this term leaks other people's IP addresses..i'm thinking ThickAsThieves recently logged in
KRS|gotyawallet: or tried simpleshell
KRS|gotyawallet: someone from india
jurov`: i was actually thinking to publish the IP via ident
jurov`: cuz i had it running here at home for few years and got banned from freenode :D
jurov`: i just banned irc ports instead
KRS|gotyawallet: might not want it to be persisent, each time a user comes in this stuff should be sanitized
KRS|gotyawallet: thanks for including nmap =D
jurov`: yes that's the idea, everything included... but SYNs are rate limited
ThickAsThieves: who's spying on me now?
KRS|gotyawallet: ThickAsThieves HAH!! You better buy on your call options, time is quickly approaching. I'd like in on that too-
KRS|gotyawallet: ThickAsThieves HAH!! You better buy on your call options, time is quickly approaching. I'd like in on that too-
KRS|gotyawallet: 16:06:35 ThickAsThieves: - You write a 2013 $100,000 call option to your bitcoins, so that I can buy them from you anytime, by just sending you $10 million U.S. Dollars
KRS|gotyawallet: 16:06:35 ThickAsThieves: - If I do not redeem your bitcoins before 31. December 2013, you get my 1 bitcoin as I lose the bet
KRS|gotyawallet: reading old logs
ThickAsThieves: i never said that
KRS|gotyawallet: uhh..heh
ThickAsThieves: i'm confused
KRS|gotyawallet: sure u did
jurov`: KRS, so lame.. hire pankkake instead
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
KRS|gotyawallet: whats up jurov
ThickAsThieves: [08:21] <KRS|gotyawallet> Which hole does it go in?
jurov`: i was thinking you want to social engineer TAT
KRS|gotyawallet: naw but i could tho
ThickAsThieves: you cant social engineer me but there are surely enough tidbits in that log to sort out who i am
KRS|gotyawallet: lmao rly
KRS|gotyawallet: so..let me get this straight.
ThickAsThieves: have fun reading it all
KRS|gotyawallet: You can't be social engineered but you sure as hell can be smurfed or hacked.
ThickAsThieves: smurfed?
ThickAsThieves: what's your deal?
KRS|gotyawallet: oh im sorry i thought you were saying this wasnt you
ThickAsThieves: what wasnt me?
KRS|gotyawallet: you said you never said that but its there in the logs
ThickAsThieves: i qwas quoting someone else ya turd
ThickAsThieves: this is what i get for talking to Chaang-Noi I guess
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;seen chaang-noi
gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> ch0000 ch0000!
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;seen bowjob
gribble: bowjob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 32 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <bowjob> lol
KRS|gotyawallet: simpleshell.com theme is remniscent of my SCO/Unix days
KRS|gotyawallet: Santa Cruz Operations had a solid future if they didnt let opportunity pass them by.
pankkake: plz don't hack me
pankkake: I'm in here without any protection
jurov`: pankkake is ~anus@inara.p.engu.in (http://headfucking.net/)
jurov`: mhm
KRS|gotyawallet: you know you cant dangle something like this in front of me..i'll get lost in here for hours
jurov`: that was exactly the intent
KRS|gotyawallet: i havent slept all night =/
KRS|gotyawallet: ill let your imagination let you figure out why
KRS|gotyawallet: nice when i look to see who's logged in, I'm not even logged in..
ThickAsThieves: baking soda?
KRS|gotyawallet: thats for crack
KRS|gotyawallet: i'm white
KRS|gotyawallet: not a nigga
thestringpuller: #notanigga
ThickAsThieves: ZT goes all out with these things huh
ThickAsThieves: Bugpoweder is that you that bought the white Tesla?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.00302 = 3.926 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: Well done Jurov
KRS|gotyawallet: i see you have skillz
KRS|gotyawallet: i have gathered some notes and know a few things about this
Bugpowder: nope
Bugpowder: I'm kinda annoyed
Bugpowder: about that
KRS|gotyawallet: the newones are tits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00302 = 0.4228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00314499 = 0.1195 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: MPEX made CNN.
ozbot: How to bet against the bitcoin megabubble - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 455 @ 0.00291699 = 1.3272 BTC [-] {4}
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oleganza: I had an idea recently about idiot-proof Bitcoin vault
oleganza: you move money to P2SH multisig scripts and the pubkeys are owned by your friends
davout: oleganza: hello!
oleganza: since it's P2SH they don't know where your money is, good for privacy
pankkake: coucou
oleganza: also you can have 20 separate transactions, so when you redeem one, you do not expose all your money
oleganza: to be idiot-proof, the wallet app should also allow distributed backup. In case you lose your password, you your own backup.
oleganza: in other words, underlying script (which is hashed into P2SH address) should be backed up somewhere
davout: oleganza: you'd still be able to somewhat link it to txes up the chain, especially if they all look similar in the way they all spend to P2SH
oleganza: mix money before that
nubbins`: salut
oleganza: so: backing up the wallet on some 3rd party service does not solve a problem of forgotten key
oleganza: ultimately, it's your friends who can trust you to give you back the back up
oleganza: so the idea is to send the actual scripts for P2SH to the same friends who own the keys
pankkake: well, you trust that your friends won't betray you all at once
oleganza: and you don't need to remember a password. You just go to them
oleganza: but to preserve privacy, they should not know the script contents
oleganza: otherwise they will find out how much money you have
oleganza: so i want to mask some pubkeys from the script
pankkake: can be done with many X-of-Y backup systems too
oleganza: essentially it is x-of-y backup system, but without passwords
oleganza: because i'm trying to solve a problem "I saved $1M 5 years ago"
oleganza: "and now i don't remember my password"
davout: how is it different from shamir's scheme ?
davout: unlock arbitrary data with N out of M secrets
oleganza: shamir's scheme generates all numbers in one place
davout: ah that's right
oleganza: here i need all pubkeys to be created in different places
oleganza: and never have all keys in one machine
oleganza: ever
oleganza: so i can have strong security promise "even if machine is compromised, it can't do something you don't want"
oleganza: assuming you didn't lost all money before making P2SH transfer
oleganza: so you can use your shitty windows all day long
davout: so multisig could do the trick, except for the privacy concerns, right?
oleganza: and backup concerns
oleganza: privacy is easy: you don't show people your script
oleganza: they cannnot find your p2sh hash on the chain using their pubkeys
oleganza: but i want to backup the script with the same people
oleganza: but still keep my privacy
oleganza: so i want to give them masked scripts
oleganza: if the script is 3 pubkeys, then in 2-of-3 scheme, 1 pubkey will be masked
oleganza: with ******, that is
oleganza: so you will see "* B C", another guy will see "A * C" and third guy will have "A B *"
oleganza: this will prevent you from finding p2sh transaction on blockchain
oleganza: and still, i can get these portions from m-of-n people and get my original script, even if I lose all backups myself
davout: oleganza: if you manage to find the holy grail of perfect security and perfect usability you're my new god
oleganza: with a proper UI (which is the whole point), my mom can have some shitty password on her wallet and move money like that to 5 of her children. She can't be robbed and her privacy is good enough
nubbins`: at the risk of sounding silly, why not just make a multi-part rar, create some .par files, and distribute those to friends?
nubbins`: ah, nm, don't think i fully read what you guys were discussing
oleganza: multi-part RAR might work as well
oleganza: the big problem is how to send all this stuff from the app
oleganza: so it's easy to use and always works
nubbins`: well, should be trivial to create rars and pars
nubbins`: all that's command-line stuff
nubbins`: so you create a 5-part rar and 4 pars, distribute 1 par to each of 4 friends, then delete 1 or more rars from your collection
nubbins`: delete 1, then any 1 friend can complete it
nubbins`: delete 3, then you need 3 friends
oleganza: sort of
oleganza: regarding usability
oleganza: people can generate keys in their apps like yours
oleganza: and send them by email
oleganza: you can verify that the key is good by checking on phone (to ensure against man in the middle attack)
oleganza: only pubkeys are sent
nubbins`: PARs would be tiny for something like this, a few tens of kb max
oleganza: you add those in your addressbook (built-in the app)
nubbins`: md5 checksums for checking
nubbins`: "hey bro do an md5 on that par i sent you, should start with abc and end with xyz"
pankkake: everyone's checking only the start and end
pankkake: this is so vulnerable
nubbins`: well
nubbins`: is it? :(
oleganza: start is as good as end
oleganza: then inside the app you create a multisig transaction and choose people and their keys.
nubbins`: realistically you can rattle the whole thing off
nubbins`: takes ten seconds
pankkake: I think some attacks were demonstrated
nubbins`: ah, would be curious to see that
oleganza: now your wallet must send to all these people partial backup of this transaction.
oleganza: simplest way is to go through my server (me == developer of the app), but the backup needs to be authenticated at least
oleganza: at most, encrypted.
nubbins`: slim odds that someone would MITM your email and modify your attachment maliciously in such a way that the beginning and end 3-4 chars of the md5 hash were the same
oleganza: and the wallet apps are sitting behind awful firewalls and all this shit
oleganza: so i don't want too much p2p headache
oleganza: nubbins`: so the problem ends with establishing authentication pubkey in the first place
oleganza: securely
oleganza: and then signing all interacting with that key
oleganza: e.g. the guy sends me his key and on the phone verifies half of the bytes
oleganza: then it's in my wallet addressbook and app can automatically do the rest through my server, or p2p, or whatever
nubbins`: sorry man, it's too early for me to be wrapping my head around this
nubbins`: if it's a pubkey, why secure it at all?
nubbins`: what's someone gonna do with it?
oleganza: pubkey identifying your friend can be MITMed
asciilifeform: the phuture: paper 'who's who' comes back. for pubkeys. you read it here first...
oleganza: and your p2sh script is a list of pubkeys from all your N friends. This better be kept secret from them so they don't know where's your money
nubbins`: pubkey posters on telephone poles
oleganza: ok, no per-identity pubkey
oleganza: it'll be per-purpose
oleganza: idea: a friend sends you his pubkey
oleganza: you import it under his name in your addressbook
oleganza: addressbook chooses perfectly randomly some internal 4 bytes and asks you to verify them with your friend
oleganza: fairly good protection against MITM
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As an S.NSA product? Printed by nubbins?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps one day.
nubbins`: newsprint is cheap, i could push out a rag every so often for minimal cost
nubbins`: which of you guys lives in MD?
oleganza: NSA may listen every email, but less likely to MITM you specifically
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Bugpowder why are they still calling it a bubble?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: because regret
thestringpuller: On top of all that, this isn't like trading on the New York Stock Exchange. Midday Wednesday, MPEx appeared to shut down, and the prices of the contracts disappeared. I was told this happens a lot. As of early Thursday, the exchange still wasn't listing prices. What's more, after running through my math of the trade with a Coinbr broker in a chat room, with the conclusion that basically the trade doesn't make sen
thestringpuller: this fuck is so uninformed
thestringpuller: MPEX wasn't shut down
thestringpuller: it never shuts down
thestringpuller: the bot just doesn't quote when bitcoin charts fucks up
thestringpuller: blame bitcoin charts not mpex
nubbins`: pretty scathing media appearance
nubbins`: 's what you get for talking to reporters ;p
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 1016.26
pankkake: well talking to journalists is exactly like talking to cops
pankkake: everything you say may and will be used against you
thestringpuller: that's why niggas don't talk to da popo
thestringpuller: NO SNITCHIN'
pankkake: $avg
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mircea_popescu: oleganza this sounds like making it more idiot vulnerable.
nubbins`: putting a password on your wallet makes it more idiot vulnerable
mircea_popescu: nubbins` basically if i told the guy "fuck you, you uninformed, intellectually lazy piece of scum" in response to his first email
mircea_popescu: or if i told him "go to assets, figure it out"
mircea_popescu: the result is exactly the same.
nubbins`: nod, fair enough
mircea_popescu: so basically the moral here is, you can say exactly anything you wish
mircea_popescu: even random gibberish
mircea_popescu: idiots will be idiots and that's that.
jcpham: i think an unencrypted wallet.dat on your normal windows users' computer is like hanging a neon sign in your car asking people to steal it
mircea_popescu: there still exist unencrypted wallets in the wiold ?!@
oleganza: mircea_popescu: what's the problem here? How my mom recovers forgotten password?
mircea_popescu: oleganza idiot sends his pw and his backup to the same frined
mircea_popescu: starts forum thread about how you scammed him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plaintext wallets are often used to bait honeypots.
oleganza: conjecture: people are not idiots, they simply not experts and real experts did not give them proper tools and methodology yet
asciilifeform: (for collecting '0days')
topace: bitches be bitches
topace: good motto
nubbins`: noobs be noobs
mircea_popescu: oleganza so basically you're not solving an actual problem, you're drawing.
nubbins`: mildly circular, but yes
oleganza: today investing in BTC for a non-CS guru is a major security problem
mircea_popescu: "investing" by unprofessionals is and will remain a major security risk.
mircea_popescu: this is not something that can be changed by technology.
oleganza: ok. I'll go home then
nubbins`: wait, where are you now?
mircea_popescu: good one
nubbins`: oleg just stands up and walks out of the office
nubbins`: "peace"
oleganza: i know a lot of mac people who couldn't use git or any UI on top of git until I created Gitbox
mircea_popescu: but are they more secure now ?
oleganza: UI expands possibilities if done right. Otherwise it's always "git is only for experts"
mircea_popescu: cause you're mixing two unrelated topics.
oleganza: in fact, they are. Where git allows you to fuck up things, my UI prevents these issues
oleganza: so if you are not an expert, you don't need to go to ask one for help
mircea_popescu: that may be, but we were discussing idiot proofing the wallet by a share to friends scheme.
mircea_popescu: this may offer w/e ui benefits, i can't discuss that in the abstract.
mircea_popescu: from a security viewpoint, however, it does not idiot proof anything.
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KRS|gotyawallet: what the fuck are these people saying on #bitcoin-pricetalk "its all over"
KRS|gotyawallet: lmao wtf
nubbins`: “Today we lost not only an international hero and a symbol of the resilient human spirit, but also the very first political figure ever who people actively wish was still alive and affecting world affairs,” said political historian Wallace M. Delaney
KRS|gotyawallet: did something happen?
mircea_popescu: get out of here, people wished hitler was still alive in 1945
mircea_popescu: why all this pious fraud bs ?
nubbins`: TBF i missed jack layton
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet yes, a new chan was created a pparently, named -pricetalk
nubbins`: maybe the only canadian politician i've ever had respect for
nubbins`: (trudeau was before my time)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32825 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: personally, i wish caesar were still alive and affecting world affairs.
mircea_popescu: you know, the one guy who perhaps could claim the first on that score.
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.31851673 = 5.4148 BTC [-] {8}
oleganza: mircea_popescu: can you elaborate what's wrong with m-of-n sharing of keys with friends?
nubbins`: honestly kinda forgot about the onion
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mircea_popescu: oleganza that the idiot is going to share all the keys with the same friend.
asciilifeform: what people really miss is not the fuhrers, but the times when they were possible. you think anybody misses Brezhnev, the man?
mircea_popescu: your scheme relies on the idiot comprehending m-of-n, which is a higher bar than comprehending "this is your wallet file, keep it safe"
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nubbins`: the idiot doesn't need to comprehend anything beyond "keep this safe", but if he doesn't comprehend it, it's just as likely to grow wings and fly away
KRS|gotyawallet: oh great baidu isnt accepting btc anymore
KRS|gotyawallet: markets tanking
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 994.5, Best ask: 1000.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.50000, Last trade: 994.5, 24 hour volume: 22039.35832478, 24 hour low: 994.5, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1071.32021
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps difficult to distinguish the man (who makes his time) from the time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6116 @ 0.00078466 = 4.799 BTC [+]
nubbins`: asciilifeform: trudeau is as close as canada got to a fuhrer
pankkake: at least this gives bitcoin-central some volume
oleganza: mircea_popescu: the minimum assumption is that user is not idiot to share his password. Then the UI will guide hi through the process.
oleganza: *guide him
Apocalyptic: oleganza, are you talking about that bitrated site ?
Apocalyptic: it's so wrong in so many ways
asciilifeform: giving lusers secret-sharing is a perfect recipe for 'damn i lost my wallet, btx sux'
pankkake: UIs cannot be enough, users need to understand what they are doing or they will fail as always
mircea_popescu: oleganza understand, i;m not saying this is bad. i am merely saying that "idiot proofing" is not its selling point.
oleganza: i'm talking about my idea of a wallet app that allows to keep your stash safe even if you or someone's computer is badly compromised later
mircea_popescu: yes, but you are thinking about it in a very narrow manner.
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nubbins`: ^ now accepting btc
mircea_popescu: consider the problem in its proper generality, as the byzantine problem.
oleganza: okay, i'll rephrase. It's a convenient way to strongly protect your stash even against yourself (getting a malware, forgetting password etc.)
KRS|gotyawallet: oh nice i'll drop some down on that
asciilifeform: luser gives shares to five friends, needs 3. one loses his laptop on the train, two have their disk formatted by crapware. result: no wallet.
mircea_popescu: what can you do once how many guys go rogue ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3109 = 1.2436 BTC [-]
nubbins`: KRS|gotyawallet: my understanding is that you're not allowed to touch them
nubbins`: so really you're just paying a bunch of strippers to do a shitty job of cleaning your house.
Diablo-D3: so whats the point?
nubbins`: neckbeards
nubbins`: and wizards
nubbins`: is the point
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you have to understand when they say no it's maybe.
mircea_popescu: the no being there mostly for the benefit of the police.
nubbins`: and the extreme wizards
oleganza: mircea_popescu: practically speaking, if you are being nice to people, they won't have huge incentive to figure out with whom you stored the keys and how much do you have
Diablo-D3: when the fuck did wizard become an insult?
oleganza: mircea_popescu: if you made everyone hate you, it's your problem
nubbins`: i'm sure if i flexed my muscular quads at them, they'd be mopping up pussy juice out of the rug for hours
Diablo-D3: >nubbins
Diablo-D3: >not a 400 pound fatass
oleganza: after all, they themselves have some stash
oleganza: and want to store it shared too with you and their friends
oleganza: so it's mutual service
oleganza: and everyone wants to be nice to each other so they can redeem savings
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: okay, thats just awesome
nubbins`: Diablo-D3: i'm barely more than half that weight ;)
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: so you weigh about as much as I do then
nubbins`: yeah, more or less
nubbins`: i'm less intimidating than i was when i had a beard tho ;(
pankkake: well if I wanted to pay for someone to clean my house, I'd rather have been done by a half naked lady
nubbins`: some naked slut shows up
nubbins`: "ew lol this place is disgusting"
nubbins`: "i can't believe this"
nubbins`: "i'm cold"
nubbins`: then your boner dies
nubbins`: and you sit in a chair, emasculated, wacthing a bunch of naked women lel at your life
nubbins`: sounds great
nubbins`: i mean, if you even start to masturbate, they'll leave
nubbins`: you know it
pankkake: speaking from experience?
nubbins`: that's just how i imagine it'd go
pankkake: the sad truth is that I like to clean, with few exceptions
nubbins`: i should hire you for the studio
nubbins`: keeping that place clean is a full-time job
pankkake: I once proposed to do it for free for anyone having a fancy vacuum cleaner
nubbins`: haha
pankkake: (it *has* to be transparent at least)
nubbins`: dyson!
nubbins`: we barely have need for a vacuum
nubbins`: one rug
asciilifeform: transparent vacuum cleaners... when do we get the: transparent toilet?
nubbins`: all else is tile or softwood
nubbins`: if you were wondering, softwood is not appropriate for floors
pankkake: I have a floating floor that is very easy to clean, I barely use the vacuum cleaner anymore
pankkake: laminate flooring would be the correct term I think
nubbins`: ah yes
nubbins`: laminate is great
nubbins`: imagine explaining to someone 100 years ago that in the future, floors will be made of plastic with photographs of wood on top
nubbins`: the only down side is that if it gets wet, it tends to swell at the seams
pankkake: there are some ugly/ridiculous ones. mine is grey so you it's mostly a nice pattern, not faking wood
pankkake: yes; the air is quite humid here too
mircea_popescu: oleganza "if you are being nice to people" that's the silliest thing i heard all day
mircea_popescu: people's incentive to steal from you is how much you got, not how nice you are.
nubbins`: in fact, nicer people get taken advantage of more often
oleganza: if you can't rely on yourself to keep your passwords safe and computers secure, then you can only rely on other
oleganza: you and me are not the same kind of people as our parents, for instance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik teh japanese have it
nubbins`: one great thing i saw in japan was sinks in the toilets
nubbins`: so you wash your hands with the water that then fills the tank
asciilifeform: nubbins`: those are said to be standard in american prisons.
nubbins`: great inventions
pankkake: oh, indeed
pankkake: doesn't take extra space
nubbins`: nor does it waste water
pankkake: I need that for mine, no sink in it
nubbins`: no sink in your bathroom :0
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of butters.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he's french, he has a bidet
mircea_popescu: that should be enough for everyone.
nubbins`: wash your hands while wiping your ass
pankkake: I wish I had a bidet! that really should be standard
nubbins`: first time i used a bidet was in a sink-toilet
nubbins`: couldn't figure out how to dry my asshole because it was all in japanese
nubbins`: ended up having to use a wad of paper :(
mircea_popescu: pankkake ha! my girls do and you don't ?
mircea_popescu: france fails
jurov`: oleganza, you can look at mycelium. it does export the wallet as PDF + password
KRS|gotyawallet: bidets are great, they are also water fountains
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1990 @ 0.00301152 = 5.9929 BTC [+] {5}
jurov`: you can give the printed PDF to everyone and parts of password to each
jurov`: however, everyone knows the public address then.. but it's a start
pankkake: mircea_popescu: bidets are more common in older houses, but not really in appartments or new contructions
mircea_popescu: i recall back in 2012 this site which gave you printed sheets m-of-n, as manty as you wanted
mircea_popescu: usually needing 3 to spend and 2 to check balance
oleganza: jurov`: i started by discussing how to do that split sharing but so that sensitive info is never in the same computer at once
mircea_popescu: pankkake that just shows how the french youth has decayed.
pankkake: yes :(
pankkake: they don't understand my love for bidets
nubbins`: krs lel
mircea_popescu: we should make a bitbet bidet.
KRS|gotyawallet: bidet faucet?
nubbins`: bitdet
pankkake: a bébête
nubbins`: 0.001 btc per flush
nubbins`: er actually
nubbins`: that won't work
nubbins`: 0.001 btc to raise the lid
asciilifeform: oleganza: if you're serious about the 'never', you need different crypto right off the bat. 'millionaires protocol', etc.
pankkake: that would quickly prove the tragedy of commons
nubbins`: in korea, they have public toilets on the streets in some areas
mircea_popescu: he has a point there.
nubbins`: you pay money to keep the door closed
nubbins`: timer runs out, door swings open
nubbins`: lelelel
pankkake: genius
mircea_popescu: haha cool
mircea_popescu: showers too ?
oleganza: asciilifeform: quote?
nubbins`: nah, no sidewalk showers
oleganza: i see
nubbins`: bath houses tho
oleganza: asciilifeform: i mean, in m-of-n transaction, all private keys are on different computers
asciilifeform: and variations on the theme
mircea_popescu: as far as i understand, m-of-n creates the m and n on the same m,achine, then distributes them
nubbins`: y'know, wikipedia articles on math are generally really good
oleganza: asciilifeform: so when you redeem stuff, you ask people to sign a particular piece of data instead of revealing their private keys
asciilifeform: there is a difference between 'prococol' security and actual security.
asciilifeform: *protocol
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mircea_popescu: get your alms in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it seems like he was talking about the btc feature that sometimes goes by that name, rather than Shamir's scheme.
nubbins`: alms for the poor
ThickAsThieves: 116btc on Yes
mircea_popescu: a so more like a deterministic wallet m-of-n combo
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
nubbins`: pankkake: is that a dual-flush button i see on top there?!
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 273424 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 21 hours, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 888657408.965 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.62157
pankkake: perhaps. I have one but I don't think it works properly
KRS|gotyawallet: That sure is a nice toilet.
nubbins`: efficient too
pankkake: "I'm a CEO, not a chip designer. That's why I took advice from a professor."
mircea_popescu: being a ceo is a thing now ?
mircea_popescu: "i'm a shopper, not a mathematician. this is why i can't use cash"
taub: btcchina api breaking down ugh
nubbins`: ah lel
KRS|gotyawallet: mircea_popescu: pic gallery is gone..no dtng?
pankkake: actually, it's why I don't use cash, too annoying to count bills and coins
nubbins`: cash is king
nubbins`: nothing worse than some asshole in front of you in line buying a cookie with debit
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet yeah i pulled the plug on that thing
mircea_popescu: pankkake why use coins ?
pankkake: how do you not use coins?
nubbins`: i rarely spend coins
nubbins`: result being that i have a half pound of change in my pocket by the end of each day
nubbins`: but then those all go into a jar
nubbins`: and before you know it, you have thousands of dollars of change
taub: crash n burn
mircea_popescu: i usually leave the metal hange behind
pankkake: we can't be all filthy rich
pankkake: though I usually discard or give away the red coins
jurov`: i'm bit nervous when i *don't* have any coins
pankkake: (<=5cents for you non eurofags)
nubbins`: canada abandoned red coins earlier this year
jurov`: cuz usually then i need them to some vending machine
nubbins`: now you round to the 5 when paying cash
jurov`: but no use for the red ones, yeah
pankkake: that's actually smart. I've said many times I'd do it even if rounded up
nubbins`: well at this point it costs more than 1 cent to make a penny
pankkake: machines often don't want them anyway
taub: will you panic if we hit 450 today?
nubbins`: panic is for noobs
pankkake: I'll panic buy
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i'd panic buy too
nubbins`: disregard previous statement
taub: that china ruling seems serious
taub: china has been the fuel of this run-up
taub: now new buyers aren't gonna come as fast
nubbins`: taub, as if 1.2 billion people could affect the price of btc ;0
taub: btcchina now probably pretty mad they didn't charge fees all this time
jurov`: i can wait. 2 days sold 0.4B for 320 euro, won't starve for some time.
mircea_popescu: pankkake but we ARE all filthy rich
mircea_popescu: taub i think you're misreading it.
pankkake: not really
pankkake: I'm filthy alright, missing the second part yet
nubbins`: you've gotta be at least grubby rich
nubbins`: or unclean rich
bloctoc: taub Liberty Reserve shut down has been the fuel for this run up.
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
jurov`: taaki rich
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 926.0, vol: 28357.88536441 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 872.0, vol: 28956.75818595 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 898.0, vol: 25743.23023 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 880.0, vol: 8744.8563949 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 857.77, vol: 296.84205889 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 925.572, vol: 56901.44100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 907.668942554
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.1498899 = 0.2998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00291 = 0.4249 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00289717 = 2.8972 BTC [-] {3}
Diablo-D3: heh coinbase is down
ThickAsThieves: i just had it up
ThickAsThieves: works fine for me
Diablo-D3: Coinbase is currently offline
Diablo-D3: No cached version is available.
ThickAsThieves: sux for you
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Did Garzik steal your idea? http://www.coindesk.com/core-developer-bitcoin-node-space/
TomServo: I recall you mentioning something similiar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3109 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1149 @ 0.00282543 = 3.2464 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.30700131 = 1.228 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00312002 = 0.2028 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 986.33
thestringpuller: ;;bids 900
gribble: There are currently 3391.5773 bitcoins demanded at or over 900.0 USD, worth 3087597.27043 USD in total. | Data vintage: 86.7293 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;asks 990
gribble: There are currently 1412.6887 bitcoins offered at or under 990.0 USD, worth 1360727.09659 USD in total. | Data vintage: 99.4999 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 633 @ 0.0031008 = 1.9628 BTC [-] {11}
asciilifeform: TomServo: afaik, 'cubesats' go in low orbit and typically croak after a year or two.
asciilifeform: they're largely a gimmick ('street cred' for engineering students.)
thestringpuller: fucking reversals always miss em
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: whats a good long term satrellite solution?
asciilifeform: not much room on a breadbox for either serious antennae or photovoltaics, either.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'long term', in the satellite business, traditionally means a decade or so.
asciilifeform: if you really want something to hang around forever (or until the hardware bakes) - Lagrange points.
asciilifeform: but that will cost you.
asciilifeform: might be cheaper to buy a country.
pankkake: must be why satoshi hasn't spent his coins yet, he's waiting to buy a country
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.25 BTC
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 965.0, Best ask: 968.98999, Bid-ask spread: 3.98999, Last trade: 955.0, 24 hour volume: 33985.40703212, 24 hour low: 916.1, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1025.72874
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: TomServo for the past year or so he's been running around the margins trying to somehow become cool
mircea_popescu: anyway, io can't read that javascriptfest.
pankkake: coindesk? worksforme with noscript
mircea_popescu: all io get is a blakc screen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends a lot of what you put on the cube too
mircea_popescu: but yes outer space is a harsh mistress
asciilifeform: optimistic value for photovoltaic is ~100 W / m^2
asciilifeform: let's say the cube swings open, giving 40 cm.^2 facing the sun (magically rotates without fuel...)
asciilifeform: now you've got 400 mW...
mircea_popescu: what's the cube edge, 10cm ?
asciilifeform: according to the link, that.
mircea_popescu: so then 400cm
asciilifeform: damn, left out a 0
mircea_popescu: that's about where it is, entry level sattelite is about 10cmc and about 1 watt.
asciilifeform: at full sunlight, ideal position...
asciilifeform: might be able to get more if you charge a cap and transmit in bursts.
asciilifeform: and this assumes that you don't need any power to run the electronics on board
asciilifeform: which is 'spherical horse' territory.
mircea_popescu: some of the more interesting work in mechanical engineering is resolving the "optimal exposure" problem
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if you can run any kind of btc node (in reasonably real time) on 4w.
mircea_popescu: i've seen a buncha stuff trying to emulate fern leaves etc
asciilifeform: consider a mirrored (on the inside) sphere with controllable slats.
mircea_popescu: that too
asciilifeform: slats open on the sunlit side
mircea_popescu: but by now you're larger than 10cm
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: would have to be inflatable (mylar) or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: inflatable is a pain
mircea_popescu: you lose gas
asciilifeform: one could probably rig something clever with nitinol wire
asciilifeform: (use the sun itself for the heat source)
mircea_popescu: bunch of actuators
mircea_popescu: it's a seriously fascinating field, this, "given a 10cm cube, construct the best photovoltaic arrangement"
asciilifeform: considerably longer life if you avoid rotating joints
asciilifeform: hence nitinol
asciilifeform: (ever think about bearings/oil in vacuum)
KRS|gotyawallet: i want to test my wallet can someone send me 1 btc and I will send it back
asciilifeform: with a strict cube, use swing panels; five facing the sun (swing open in response to voltage readings from each, with max being the center of the clover) and one arse end with no panel, for the downlink.
mircea_popescu: but if your panels are twin faced
mircea_popescu: you can significantly improve that result by tgurning them
asciilifeform: it is also worth considering why exactly one wants a btc node in orbit.
asciilifeform: in any scenario where said node is worthwhile, it becomes a central point of failure unlike any other.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12145 @ 0.00078466 = 9.5297 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: if you just want to relay bits in one direction to some remote jungle, there are commercial sats with no authentication (!)
mircea_popescu: nobody wants a btc node in orbit, until it becomes a matter of land based isp's being assholes.
mircea_popescu: when that happens point ot point internet via wifi will be the workhorse and the mostly useless blockchain satellite will be the extended middle finger.
asciilifeform: consider the life of warez. are there bittorrent nodes in orbit? protocol obfuscation is nearly always the cheaper and more practical pill.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
pankkake: there were talk about wifi drones
pankkake: (for bittorrent)
asciilifeform: for the cost of one microsat, one could bring out a thousand balloons that bob about in the atmosphere for years.
KRS|gotyawallet: dat dump
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 892.0, Best ask: 894.9, Bid-ask spread: 2.90000, Last trade: 892.0, 24 hour volume: 38738.52916725, 24 hour low: 890.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1009.31176
asciilifeform: or, for the truly exotic-minded, sonobuoys
pankkake: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 101249.827561 seconds. During this time, light travels 202.903520783 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;bids 888
gribble: There are currently 1000.6339 bitcoins demanded at or over 888.0 USD, worth 895306.123044 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.2233 seconds
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;bids 889
gribble: There are currently 991.26164 bitcoins demanded at or over 889.0 USD, worth 886980.528795 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.3074 seconds
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;bids 889
gribble: There are currently 991.26164 bitcoins demanded at or over 889.0 USD, worth 886980.528795 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.9352 seconds
KRS|gotyawallet: thats not right..lagged as fuck
pankkake: they must be hosted on a remote satellite
KRS|gotyawallet: wow how bad is it if gox is running out of buyers
ThickAsThieves: like goxers can get cash out anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14989 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: after this China ban i wonder if Gox will have even more trouble getting fiat to people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.04845 = 0.3876 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1239 @ 0.00009989 = 0.1238 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09155011 = 0.1831 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 532.686634 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.06749805028 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Earth (1 AU).
Bugpowder: I don't know if you guys have noticed, but the reddit sentiment index is trending down
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;bids 828
gribble: There are currently 3268.1678 bitcoins demanded at or over 828.0 USD, worth 2809609.80831 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1444 seconds
Bugpowder: ;;bids 500
gribble: There are currently 18180.459 bitcoins demanded at or over 500.0 USD, worth 12742561.8573 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.5359 seconds
KRS|gotyawallet: thats aint right
pankkake: ;;market sell 500
gribble: A market order to sell 500 bitcoins right now would net 436894.5383 USD and would take the last price down to 872.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 873.7891 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 41.6458 seconds
Bugpowder: there is a 4k+ sell order going off right now on trading.i286
Bugpowder: will the gox circuitbreakers trip again?
Bugpowder: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 860.583437 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.72459957218 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mars (1.52 AU).
Bugpowder: yeah looks like the circuit breaker tripped and its just cycling the same sell order over again and again.
ThickAsThieves: gox gets sued to oblivion
mircea_popescu: "gox is trading on fake btc. gox proves this every year."
Bugpowder: why not fix the problem after it happend last week?
ThickAsThieves: hilarious
KRS|gotyawallet: to be fair didnt they receive significant attacks at those times
mod6: thestringpuller: this fuck is so uninformed << wasn't it the stephengandel guy who stopped in here a few days ago who wrote that article?
ThickAsThieves: to be fair, it is sleepy time in China
ThickAsThieves: they need their rest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11279999 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: Its rice until 03Q14 for them..no BEEF. NO POHK. NO SHREEMP!
TomServo: mod6: I believe so.
mircea_popescu: mod6 prolly ya
ThickAsThieves: it's still looping
KRS|gotyawallet: i'd like to get my account in there somehow [balance] = [balance]++
ThickAsThieves: *mp begins his next blog post*
ThickAsThieves: This is why we can't have nice things
ozbot: Mt.Gox BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom
KRS|gotyawallet: this is lel
ThickAsThieves: aww on reload the pattern goes away
dub: idk why its such a surprise every time gox does this
pankkake: looks like music
smidge: volume exceeds april crash by far
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 952.70
thestringpuller: my puts are almost itm
thestringpuller: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 2791.205394 seconds. During this time, light travels 5.59354435768 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Jupiter (5.2 AU).
KRS|gotyawallet: Gox should just submit a trouble ticket to their support department..duh.
ThickAsThieves: Hello this is GoDaddy, how can we help you today?
KRS|gotyawallet: Send over that racing bitch..She's hawt.
thestringpuller: bitstmp hasn't tripped yet though
thestringpuller: trades are still going hard
pankkake: I'm not sure what can I do with this… http://i.imgur.com/Li7nNHC.png (bitcoin-central)
jurov`: i'm still unverified at b-c
pankkake: at least there is no risk of lag
thestringpuller: jurov`: I'm sending another deposit
Apocalyptic: pankkake, that orderbook density
thestringpuller: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 3056.857142 seconds. During this time, light travels 6.12590748629 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Jupiter (5.2 AU).
Bugpowder: @zerohedge 4m NYSE declares self help against Mt. Gox
thestringpuller: is that from twitter?
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: zh is getting wet
Bugpowder: over BIDU
Bugpowder: I guess he missed the announcement yesterday?
jurov`: lol mtgoxlive literally out of the window
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30800266 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 951.33
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0028997 = 0.8699 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i went for NSPNY at $61 instead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3851 @ 0.00273821 = 10.5448 BTC [-] {18}
pankkake: well I fail at exploiting b-c. too bad, those trades jumping 40-60€ are juicy
twizt: crazy volume going thru
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Breaks Another Record
ThickAsThieves: get it? get it?
pankkake: Bitcoin Breaks?
ThickAsThieves: broken record
ThickAsThieves: playing over and over
ThickAsThieves: it's funnier when you explain it
thestringpuller: this is a good retreat though
thestringpuller: octoboer was hovering around 200
thestringpuller: someone must be exiting their position
ThickAsThieves: from an escher painting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16182 @ 0.00078592 = 12.7178 BTC [+]
twizt: so where is this gonna end lol
twizt: with an hour delay
gribble: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 39 seconds
pankkake: is there a gox lag chart?
Apocalyptic: currently it's a gox loop chart
nubbins`: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 877.46198
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker --loop
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
nubbins`: okay, so i just bought a sufjan stevens record
nubbins`: my favourite album so far -- seven swans -- and i didn't even know it was available on vinyl
nubbins`: stumbled upon a reissue today!
nubbins`: yeah, wanna listen to it badly
nubbins`: but i'm gonna hold off and give it to my wife for xmas
ThickAsThieves: it's a great album
ThickAsThieves: but i still prefer Age of Adz these days
ThickAsThieves: not really the same styke thi
ThickAsThieves: style tho*
nubbins`: yeah, i still haven't heard age of adz
mircea_popescu: this just in : mtgox server upgraded with wafflemaker!
nubbins`: queuing it up right now on youchube
thestringpuller: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 4772.813016 seconds. During this time, light travels 9.56466384499 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
thestringpuller: dude seriously?
thestringpuller: that's like 3 episodes of seinfeld
nubbins`: it's just saturn, no sweat
mircea_popescu: nothing like last year's half day record
nubbins`: lel cavirtex @ $810
mircea_popescu: you mean i'm not a billionaire again !?
thestringpuller: you'll be a billionaire again by christmas
thestringpuller: that should be a good bitbet
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: good xmas gift too
thestringpuller: "mircea_popescu to be billionaire again by Christmas 2013"
KRS|gotyawallet: bit bet!
pankkake: bad bet
ThickAsThieves: Mark is gonna be so rich with all this volume!
nubbins`: pankkake: +1
nubbins`: he could divest himself on xmas eve
mircea_popescu: everyone is a billionaire eventually, but bitcoin people get tyo do it many times a week]
KRS|gotyawallet: there is that much faith in this?
thestringpuller: i'm a billionaire with zimbabwe dollars
pankkake: can you be less than a trillionnaire ?
thestringpuller: well trillionaire actually
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: hints of Enjoy Your Rabbit in here
mircea_popescu: pankkake only if you're somaly
KRS|gotyawallet: I didnt know you all were so serious about bitcoin. I always figure it will meh.
nubbins`: krs, not so serious
mircea_popescu: i am very srs.
KRS|gotyawallet: i mean this is really going to climb?
ThickAsThieves: i havent heard Enjoy i dont think
nubbins`: very electronic
pankkake: eventually
nubbins`: not a fan, altho i've only given it a listen or two
nubbins`: should revisit some day
ThickAsThieves: early electronic, sounds risky indeed
KRS|gotyawallet: i was ecstatic when i realized i didnt have to work anymore
thestringpuller: there should be a bitbet against code changes
nubbins`: lots of squelchy bloops
thestringpuller: "All magic numbers in bitcoin to disappear by 2014"
KRS|gotyawallet: i want to devote myself to an open source project but not sure what i want to put my weight behind
thestringpuller: not bitcoin?
ThickAsThieves: <@SarahCoinBit> stolenNick: I'm pretty sure it's ddos. Our tech team have been woken up and are looking into it
KRS|gotyawallet: something bitcoin
thestringpuller: something something darkside something something complete?
nubbins`: well, y'know
KRS|gotyawallet: i just keep thinking something will happen and i will have to exit
nubbins`: if you're not sure what to do with your money, you can just become a patron of the arts
thestringpuller: i bought in at 12 USD
nubbins`: this is what rich people used to do
nubbins`: commission portraits and shit
thestringpuller: so being bullish long term seems to be the way to go
KRS|gotyawallet: then i hear how india ist getting on board, how countries in africa need this like oxygen
thestringpuller: nubbins` i want to commission a painting of my puppy
thestringpuller: can you make that ahppen?
nubbins`: yeah
thestringpuller: can you put him in a suit?
nubbins`: space or three-piece?
nubbins`: (yes to both)
nubbins`: <-- dead serious
thestringpuller: that's gangsta I was just wondering if it was an option!
twizt: newb question alert, how come the time and sales dont match up to the bid/ask on clarkmoody?
thestringpuller: i was just kiddin' but that's awesome that it's an awesome
KRS|gotyawallet: maybe ill just be greedy and write myself a kickass bot
thestringpuller: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 128509.613133 seconds. During this time, light travels 257.531825853 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
thestringpuller: HOLY SHIT
KRS|gotyawallet: and chill
twizt: thestringpuller: ?
thestringpuller: look at the goxlag
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: just imagine, you could give a free t-shirt with your face on it to each new mpex membership
lnostdal: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1159908.20615 seconds. During this time, light travels 2324.44305814 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
twizt: so what should i trust lol
thestringpuller: nothing atm
twizt: in terms of where the market is
thestringpuller: just wait it out until this storm passes
pankkake: so how high is this goxlag going to be?
thestringpuller: unless you wanna send in market orders and have faith in the bitcoin gods
twizt: so wheres the market lol
twizt: how can there be trans below the limits
KRS|gotyawallet: oh my god this is going to get so bad
KRS|gotyawallet: maybe not theres a lot of greedy fucks buying
twizt: looks like it...
KRS|gotyawallet: on one hand i'm almost thinking double-digits but then bam
twizt: most likelyt going back to $1k tho
thestringpuller: twizt: during the april crash there was such bad lag, that you could literally send in limit orders at any price between the spread and cross your figners it found a match and executed
twizt: on both sides right
thestringpuller: twizt: Bugpowder made a shit ton of money
thestringpuller: during that time
twizt: yea ive done that in futures markets too
thestringpuller: so I would just wait it out unless you wanna try your luck against the lag
thestringpuller: ;;goxlag
twizt: during news and all the algos back off
gribble: MtGox lag is 8648.059356 seconds. During this time, light travels 17.3306141209 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Uranus (19.18 AU).
thestringpuller: ;;calc 115000/(60*60)
gribble: 31.9444444444
thestringpuller: well we surpassed 1 day lag this time at some point
Namworld: ;; goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 3926249.2314 seconds. During this time, light travels 7868.15949925 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
Namworld: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 914965.581336 seconds. During this time, light travels 1833.58078053 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
Namworld: I heard goxlag is broken
Namworld: What's the news?
thestringpuller: someone said DDOS
thestringpuller: or at least that's what ThickAsThieves brought us
Namworld: and the mass went histeric?
pankkake: oooh that's the charts I was looking for
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.86862, Best ask: 875.0, Bid-ask spread: 8.13138, Last trade: 875.0, 24 hour volume: 42639.43396242, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 979.46603
pankkake: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 4959.229808 seconds. During this time, light travels 9.93824100893 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
pankkake: going down!
pankkake: or not
mircea_popescu: less lag!
pankkake: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 9959748.13382 seconds. During this time, light travels 19959.2237453 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
thestringpuller: 20 dollar spread
thestringpuller: playthe spread gogogogogogo
taub: oh, haha
taub: gox in circuit breaker mode
taub: 5min lag
thestringpuller: gox lag looks like it is broken
thestringpuller: i'm getting 12 minute
thestringpuller: wait it's going down
taub: historic, order book ratio below price
thestringpuller: the orders are starting to go through (checking via API)
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 850.92528, Best ask: 897.0, Bid-ask spread: 46.07472, Last trade: 840.0, 24 hour volume: 42895.66604874, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 978.47868
thestringpuller: Bugpowder we neeeeeeed you
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 933.62
ozbot: Gox false signal, loop, aka westexaco: Gox runs its servers from a potato
kakobrekla: its not the hw its the sw
thestringpuller: it's not the software it's the people
thestringpuller: gox's people are all n00bs
thestringpuller: i could run a better exchange
pankkake: do it
ThickAsThieves: here comes the bounce
taub: well, seeing as how pretty much all exchanges break down under load...
thestringpuller: no no no
thestringpuller: no bounch yet
ThickAsThieves: sorry man
thestringpuller: my puts are finally itm
ThickAsThieves: she's ready
thestringpuller: NOOOOOOOOO
thestringpuller: i'm not hard yet
nubbins`: my bank now sells precious metals
ThickAsThieves: my bank has US Patriot Act placards on every desk
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 925.0, Best ask: 940.0, Bid-ask spread: 15.00000, Last trade: 940.0, 24 hour volume: 44383.89502737, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.67855
ozbot: Home - CIBC Precious Metals
benkay: dat 24 hour low
nubbins`: interesting, but not really competitively priced
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
nubbins`: convenient tho
gribble: Current Blocks: 273454 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 39 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 888475078.261 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.5958
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 932.93
pankkake: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 5788.684666 seconds. During this time, light travels 11.6004592573 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
thestringpuller: it was worth shot
KRS|gotyawallet: thickasthieves: when you were buying at $12 I was selling at $14 to make roi on my mining operations..i did not have faith =/
KRS|gotyawallet: i've actually gone balls deep into mining again
thestringpuller: is your hardware paid off?
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin can accommodate your balls just fine
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 935.0, Best ask: 939.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 935.0, 24 hour volume: 44846.72187139, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 972.41213
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 931.90
KRS|gotyawallet: haha yeah i did well i should have just held off from selling.
thestringpuller: goxlag to normal
thestringpuller: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.247187 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.000495359980356 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
KRS|gotyawallet: around 20 hours ago or so maybe, fontas mentioned large amounts of btc were headed to the exchanges but then he said he was joking..wonder if this was that
KRS|gotyawallet: then it makes me wonder wtf do these sellers know thats making them sell
thestringpuller: AND NOW BITCOIN CHARTS IS DOWN
thestringpuller: i see how it is
thestringpuller: they ddos btc charts so that we can't exercise our options
KRS|gotyawallet: those bastages
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 889.90966, Best ask: 899.99, Bid-ask spread: 10.08034, Last trade: 890.0, 24 hour volume: 45457.90578599, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1140.0, 24 hour vwap: 969.05248
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5441 @ 0.00078466 = 4.2693 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Bwahahaha
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 931.18
gribble: Time since last block: 30 minutes and 15 seconds
ThickAsThieves: taker your time nethash
pankkake: 3 blocks in a minute
pankkake: no, blockchain.info broken
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 36 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 273457 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 718 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 887746503.029 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.49281
Bugpowder: thestringpuller: never buy puts
Bugpowder: its just setting your bitcoins on fire
pankkake: and they become BBQCoins?
taub: yum
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: teaaaaach e
thestringpuller: what do you do?
thestringpuller: buy calls okay that works
thestringpuller: but then what do you do to go bearish?!?!?
thestringpuller: do you just sell and point bearish and wait to rebuy?
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 898.00501, Best ask: 904.69, Bid-ask spread: 6.68499, Last trade: 904.97499, 24 hour volume: 45888.03323050, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1138.5, 24 hour vwap: 964.48303
thestringpuller: sir we need more volume!
gribble: See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/
assbot: brb
pankkake: vid is relevant too!
pankkake: what's up, assbot?
assbot: nuttin just got greased
pankkake: shiny
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: chile
thestringpuller: nubbins`: so what is the pricing for oil painting commissions
ThickAsThieves: someone else recently said chile was nice
nubbins`: ah, i'd have to get back to you on that. ink or watercolor, maybe $2-300. oil, realistically a couple grand
nubbins`: depends on size
nubbins`: something smaller, maybe a couple hundred for oil
nubbins`: if you're srs and want a more accurate quote, just let me know what size and what you had in mind
thestringpuller: maybe i want a napoleon-esque style portrait of mircea_popescu commissioned
thestringpuller: to put in my living room
thestringpuller: with a giant bitcoin watermark in the background
thestringpuller: the title: "The Bitcoin Chairman"
benkay: not king?
jurov`: just use the horse photo
jurov`: The Bitcoin Pharaoh
thestringpuller: ^-there we go
thestringpuller: nubbins` make a btc address and lets start donating
thestringpuller: I'll put down .05 btc rightnow
nubbins`: 1CXK1j9sk3xz48svhtWzcTkLzjvk7NwPFs
benkay: high rolla
thestringpuller: lets do it
nubbins`: maybe a gold btc logo for the sun
nubbins`: shining into his eyes?
thestringpuller: we'll present it to him at the btc conference in romania
thestringpuller: alright 0.05 sent
thestringpuller: how much more do we need?
nubbins`: got it
deadweasel: bitcoin contact lenses, sell those. probably resell form these guys: http://www.customcontacts.com/special-effects-lenses/gallery
deadweasel: from*
nubbins`: well, suppose we do a pay-as-you-go. you've already got yourself a few concept sketches paid for.
thestringpuller: see if you can get the sketches into a trilema article ;)
thestringpuller: then we may be able to get more people to donate
Bugpowder: thestringpuller: I lose money everytime I go bearish. So I don't go bearish anymore.
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: deal
nubbins`: should be able to get started this weekend
thestringpuller: The Great Bitcoin Pharoah!
thestringpuller: i should commission a rapper to make an MPEx hip hop track
thestringpuller: hit all facets of the arts
nubbins`: uh, i could probably get that pulled together for you too
nubbins`: one thing at a time tho, hey
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 921.5, Best ask: 934.99998, Bid-ask spread: 13.49998, Last trade: 921.04, 24 hour volume: 47411.98164781, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1135.715, 24 hour vwap: 962.06274
nubbins`: is there a full version of that horse pic somewhere?
nubbins`: ugh. my roommate has no sense of smell, and he just dropped a rotten fart.
nubbins`: the bastard
kakobrekla: get a chick for a mate
kakobrekla: their farts smell like roses
nubbins`: i have one, and no they don't
kakobrekla: dunno what u feed them
kakobrekla: stop with the veggies
nubbins`: not rose petals
nubbins`: what, meat is gonna make em smell better?!
ThickAsThieves: using the wrong pellets
kakobrekla: well have you ever been in a company of veggi only eaters for extended periods of time?
nubbins`: kako, no
kakobrekla: well there you go.
nubbins`: kale farts
kakobrekla: its terrible i tell you
nubbins`: huh, kale is a brassica. who knew.
thestringpuller: bitstamp just bounced
thestringpuller: so i guess ThickAsThieves has inside information
thestringpuller: IT WAS HIM who caused this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20872 @ 0.00078466 = 16.3774 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.317 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.00299985 = 0.876 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 27 @ 0.14986666 = 4.0464 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 38618 @ 0.00010594 = 4.0912 BTC [+] {34}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00078739 = 3.7795 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00300064 = 0.207 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00301703 = 2.7153 BTC [+] {7}
pankkake: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 771.0, Best ask: 780.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.00000, Last trade: 777.0, 24 hour volume: 55736.62160805, 24 hour low: 771.0, 24 hour high: 1118.989, 24 hour vwap: 932.15549
mike_c: sheesh, the whole world is falling apart. bitbet down?
mircea_popescu: mike_c seems so.
pankkake: it's working again for me actually, while I was unable to access it yesterday
pankkake: something's funny is going on in the routers
Apocalyptic: it's the cats in the intertubes
benkay: bitbet down?
pankkake: cool I am the only one able to access it
pankkake: time to bet!
benkay: kakobrekla: bitbet down?
mike_c: i just got back in. seems intermittent.
kakobrekla: yes but dont bet on it staying up just yet (see what i did there)
benkay: watch out below
ozbot: BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013
benkay: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 73.293499 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.146879351361 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
benkay: dat bgp hijack
diametric: wonder how low its going to go today
benkay: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 674 blocks | Estimated Change: 26.0790% in 3d 10h 46m 12s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.311003 = 0.933 BTC [-] {2}
kakobreklaa: bitbet up for good now.
kakobreklaa: btc rally can resume
gribble: 7.074082830514966E8
thestringpuller: ;;bc, stats
gribble: Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 273502 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 673 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 891850463.219 | Estimated Percent Change: 26.07295
KRS|gotyawallet: hah i feel better now =D
pankkake: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 825.0, Best ask: 840.0, Bid-ask spread: 15.00000, Last trade: 825.0, 24 hour volume: 67593.48396766, 24 hour low: 650.0, 24 hour high: 1118.989, 24 hour vwap: 885.613
pankkake: what it's not crashing?!
the20year1: Quick! Buy more rentalstarter stock and lock in your BTC value relative to USD for future gains!
pankkake: hehehe
pankkake: lol at the shit altcoin bet propositions
the20year1: bitbet?
benkay: 1k was a good thing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 216 @ 0.00272541 = 0.5887 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: *btc bounces*
kakobreklaa: like a dead cat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31999941 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31999942 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;calc 150 * 5
gribble: 750
thestringpuller: ;;calc 750 / 60
gribble: 12.5
thestringpuller: ;;calc 12.5 + (40 * 60)
gribble: 2412.5
thestringpuller: ;;calc 2412.5 / 60
gribble: 40.2083333333
thestringpuller: ;;calc 12.5 + 40
gribble: 52.5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00078739 = 5.3543 BTC [+]
benkay: dude mircea_popescu the options contracts not being on whole btc and that not being called out in the trade symbol is totally bogus
dub: tux has a gunt
mircea_popescu: benkay you know it says on the page
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14995 BTC [+]
benkay: page is for humans to read. until this change MPSIC contained all relevant information.
benkay: totally breaks referential transparency of MPSIC.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, once we get a coin that doesn't change three degrees of magnitude a year, we'll have referential transparency
benkay: well, referencial transparency of MPSIC with regards to contract. before this change, all relevant details to pricing the option were in the MPSIC.
benkay: and what is someone supposed to do when the MPEx takes its web page down, eh?
benkay: <strike>the</strike>
mod6: use assbot
mod6: or mpexbot
pankkake: ;;google the many ways of talking to mpex
gribble: Measuring Student Expectations in University Physics: The MPEX ...: <http://www.physics.umd.edu/perg/papers/redish/talks/expects/aapt97ex.htm>; 3. MPEX-II Survey - UMD Department of Physics: <http://www.physics.umd.edu/perg/tools/MPEX-II.pdf>; [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history? - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.0>
pankkake: okay
mod6: thestringpuller: haha
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com talking to mpex
gribble: The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex>; MPEx tech stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-tech-stuff/>; MPEx DDOSed, an epic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-ddosed-an-epic/>
mircea_popescu: benkay "all" in some sense of "all".
benkay: mod6: can I get lot size out of assbot?
jurov`: !t m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 112.71384346 / 112.71384346 (3175 shares, 119.31 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.055 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00078739 = 11.7321 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00298999 = 0.3737 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 250 @ 0.0077 = 1.925 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00298999 = 0.1495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.00299879 = 1.3285 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00078466 = 3.3348 BTC [-]
nubbins`: drunk
nubbins`: leonard cohen
nubbins`: new skin for the old ceremony
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31102547 BTC [-]
nubbins`: isle of wight 1970
gribble: Error: "c" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31100305 = 0.622 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.308682 = 1.5434 BTC [-] {4}
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