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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079873 = 3.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00079878 = 7.6683 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00161999 = 0.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00079813 = 4.1503 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.32899974 = 1.316 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00079769 = 12.5636 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.329 = 2.632 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.32919459 = 12.1802 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00295001 = 0.2154 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.3293 = 2.6344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.3294 = 6.588 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.32979999 = 3.298 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00161999 = 0.2965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.0007984 = 9.7006 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.33 = 1.65 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00293312 = 0.3901 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 188 @ 0.0029 = 0.5452 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.0028841 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.34389998 = 3.439 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00079852 = 5.2702 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18474 @ 0.00079404 = 14.6691 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00161999 = 0.3175 BTC [-]
KRS1: BBQ Coin crashing in Somalia!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03192249 = 0.1277 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3495 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.341 BTC [-]
pankkake: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1250.900000000000 USD = 1.11389136242 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3405 BTC [-]
truffles: wonder why cads signs in to all the chat rooms but says nothing
BingoBoingo: truffles: It's how IRC usually gets used. You mostly afk, then scroll up to see what happened in the conversation.
truffles: thats weird to me :D
truffles: he seems like talker so i just wondered..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00079852 = 1.8765 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3288 = 0.6576 BTC [-]
ColdHardMetal: maybe. that was all quite awhile ago at this point.
ColdHardMetal: misfire, sorry.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00032 = 0.48 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 503 @ 0.00031745 = 0.1597 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.07119523 = 1.4951 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.07316667 = 1.756 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00307999 = 0.1201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14425 @ 0.00079692 = 11.4956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8459 @ 0.00079852 = 6.7547 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cremation parties ?!
ozbot: State/Territory Totals, as Reported by Recipients
mircea_popescu: this kicks ass. funds awarded, 3bn. funds disbursed, 3bn. jobs created ? 600
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9318 @ 0.00079312 = 7.3903 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3288 BTC [-]
firstblockchain: Click "report fraud, waste and abuse" button, submit "whitehouse.gov"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34 = 1.02 BTC [+]
KRS1: jeez
KRS1: #failprez
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thanks!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4582 @ 0.00079221 = 3.6299 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0030896 = 0.1112 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 285 @ 0.00323553 = 0.9221 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5468 @ 0.00079802 = 4.3636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00079117 = 13.8455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00079117 = 5.3008 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1177.0001, Best ask: 1179.79998, Bid-ask spread: 2.79988, Last trade: 1179.8, 24 hour volume: 52851.65224718, 24 hour low: 1050.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1161.05877
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker +market coinbase
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker --market coinbase
gribble: Coinbase BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1068.12, Best ask: 1095.77, Bid-ask spread: 27.65000, Last trade: 1080.54, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 787 @ 0.00169158 = 1.3313 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.0016998 = 0.1955 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00169999 = 0.1666 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00169999 = 4.25 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.0017 = 0.2108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3077 @ 0.00178368 = 5.4884 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7382 @ 0.00079533 = 5.8711 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34479997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 649 @ 0.00165 = 1.0709 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 993 @ 0.00179106 = 1.7785 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.0007978 = 3.7896 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1175 @ 0.00331477 = 3.8949 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00079898 = 6.232 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: morning
nubbins`: ah! there's been a couple of nibbles on my auction for a redeemed casascius coin.
ozbot: [CLOSED] S.DICE - SatoshiDICE 100% Dividend-Paying Asset on MPEx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 408 @ 0.00031102 = 0.1269 BTC [-] {2}
jurov`: dats not him. i met him irl
nubbins`: shh :(
kakobrekla: >Erik obviously wants to keep his privacy.
kakobrekla: hes been on tv a dozen times
jurov`: ^this. that's why i find it soo funny
ThickAsThieves: yknow who's pretty sharp that i didnt used to pay any mind, Crumbs
ThickAsThieves: we should get his ass in here
jurov`: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
jurov`: but he lurks as GuestXXXX usually
kakobrekla: into porn now
jurov`: what, that trophy gf left him? or got bored?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: porn and gf is not exclusive
jurov`: i know, just trying to get gossip going
nubbins`: i heard he sleeps upside-down
ThickAsThieves: 10% jump in nethash overnight
nubbins`: wow!
davout: did someone say gossip?
nubbins`: three-sided snowflake
nubbins`: well, technically still six. but y'know
pankkake: could snowflakes be used as proof of work?
nubbins`: proof of winter ;(
ozbot: Flickr: ChaoticMind75's Photostream
pankkake: nice
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
ThickAsThieves: In case ya'll missed it Neo & Bee Bitcoin Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1zZoUfMGE&feature=youtu.be
ThickAsThieves: I think it came out pretty slick
pankkake: yes the video is very good. can't find any flaw
nubbins`: Dr Greg uses words that I don't understand
pankkake: me neither. so he must be right
ThickAsThieves: Dr. Greg is basically saying that someone could clean MP out
ThickAsThieves: it's a point, but sorta sideways to the prior posts
pankkake: well the prior posts are not worth even reading
nubbins`: great video
nubbins`: you guys got your money's worth :D
ozbot: NFC Ring - Safe, Simple, Secure. || NFC Ring - One smart ring, unlimited possibilities || Bitcoin Pr
pankkake: I've ordered one (through kickstarter, though they also were open on a bitcoin one)
nubbins`: hey, i remember those
pankkake: oh it's new orders
ThickAsThieves: i ordered a couple fromt the kick
ThickAsThieves: it's a promo link i got for being a backer
ThickAsThieves: cept i dont need more
pankkake: the stealth bomber looks better than the classic… but I don't even have a use for the first one :p
nubbins`: not a fan of the woven carbon look
nubbins`: and i already have a ring D;
nubbins`: ...and i literally have no use for NFC
nubbins`: but still! these are really cool.
pankkake: the guy likes bitcoin though. perhaps we'll see more stuff from him in the future
ThickAsThieves: the carbon thing is a filler
ThickAsThieves: it can be swapped
nubbins`: great
nubbins`: it's all a bit light on detail
pankkake: when I chose mine the other options were not very good looking either
ThickAsThieves: dont think, buy.
nubbins`: not sure about ordering a ring online, too :P
pankkake: it's not very expensive anyway
nubbins`: i tried on like fifteen different ones before i found one that (a) i liked and (b) fit well
pankkake: and this one is quite large
nubbins`: as is mine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1583 @ 0.00031044 = 0.4914 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00079942 = 3.1977 BTC [+]
KRS1: Max Keiser‏@maxkeiser 28 Nov Somebody out there should start a 'keisercoin' I'm pretty sure it would go from $0 to $100 mn. pretty quickly
KRS1: What a fool..obviously thinks too highly of himself.
KRS1: He must have a staff of people scraping the internet daily to see what people are saying about him.
nubbins`: "Everybody out there should suck my dick"
nubbins`: "Max you can't just say that"
nubbins`: "Well, make it about coins or something"
nubbins`: maybe i'm just jealous tho, because nobody would buy nubcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4618 @ 0.00079942 = 3.6917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079902 = 3.276 BTC [-]
ozbot: Bharat Operating System Solutions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: today i learned.
nubbins`: "The latest desktop version of BOSS GNU/Linux is fully localised to eighteen Indian languages."
mircea_popescu: there's a world out there i tell you.
nubbins`: the spread of language is a fascinating topic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.335 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00179 = 0.895 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 532 @ 0.00179999 = 0.9576 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.029 = 0.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2917 @ 0.00035149 = 1.0253 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3065 @ 0.00038773 = 1.1884 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.0018165 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0293 = 0.1465 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: do you guys know anything about mastercoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00079985 = 5.359 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Revisiting the topic of “economic injustice”, with examples pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popes
mircea_popescu: KRS1 iirc it's some attempt to do something very similar to colored coins while claiming a different name for the thing, and some snappy website.
mircea_popescu: basically as best anyone can determine the body of shills that were trying to push ripple half a year back and got trampled underfoot have mooved on to this thing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08187011 = 0.3275 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: too early to say that it's stupid, if it actually is. so far, we just don't know why anyone should care.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.06505001 = 0.5204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00079996 = 14.2393 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1166.30003, Best ask: 1168.69998, Bid-ask spread: 2.39995, Last trade: 1166.30001, 24 hour volume: 48299.58455324, 24 hour low: 1050.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1157.40475
mircea_popescu: aww no 1500 ?!
mircea_popescu: IT HAS BEEN A DAY!!!
mircea_popescu: I DEMAND MY IMAGINARY WINNINGS!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12089 @ 0.00080004 = 9.6717 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5102 @ 0.00080062 = 4.0848 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: imaginary winnings?
kakobrekla: bitbet crew are experts at that stuff
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you are such a riot!
thestringpuller: you should do stand up
thestringpuller: "In Romania, topless girl execute orders not computer!!!"
thestringpuller: "What's the difference between a topless girl and a computer?"
mircea_popescu: it doesn't pay nearly enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.07899999 = 0.237 BTC [+]
dexX7: are bitcoin tx slow at the moment?
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 9 seconds
dexX7: looks like the size of the recent blocks reached the soft? limit again
dexX7: this wouldn't have an impact on tslb i think
mircea_popescu: a in that sense
mircea_popescu: well... tx fees you know ?
mircea_popescu: i expect next year all blocks will be full
mircea_popescu: which is how this thing is supposed to work, bid for tx space.
thestringpuller: dude why are there so many magic numbers in the bitcoin source code
thestringpuller: I didn't know it was this bad
mircea_popescu: dexX7 last few blocks are < 1/4mb anyway
mircea_popescu: wasn't soft limit 500k ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's what everyone says, "holy shit, i had no idea it is this bad"
dexX7: all last 7 were at 250 + 1 (eligius) at 500
thestringpuller: bandwidth should increas 30% so we'll just put float 0.3 here
thestringpuller: da fuq....
mircea_popescu: ppl can't code.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com "magic numbers"
gribble: The bitchslapping of 2013… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-bitchslapping-of-2013>; And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially ...: <http://trilema.com/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked>; The reason you can't have nice numbers and other considerations ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: literally all the articles that come up for that query discuss the bitcoin tardteam.
bloctoc: KRS1 - I suppose I fit the definition of one of the shills who was pumping Ripple last year and is on to mastercoin this year. I moved all my ripples to mastercoin last night. Why? I'm convinced that Enron got gutted instead of highly leveraged company x because they pretty much gave the finger to the rest of the trading community at every opportunity. I see Ripple (commercial version) guys having done the same thing to the
bloctoc: bitcoin community. I don't know what the alternatives are with colored coins, but I really like the idea of reversible transactions using mastercoin.
mircea_popescu: bloctoc why ?
mircea_popescu: (do you like the idea of reversible transactions)
bloctoc: I have enough bitcoins sitting on my laptop that I fear theft.
mircea_popescu: but he who can reverse transactions can steal them
mircea_popescu: this is a degradation of your security.
bloctoc: …and I can't seem to build trust to trade in bitcoin-otc I'm hoping that reversible transactions helps there too.
mircea_popescu: but i fail to see the logic, if you don't like the bitcoin in bitcoin why not just sell them for fiat or rubber tyres or w./e that better suits your needs.
bloctoc: I traded bitcoin for mastercoin because I want to try out a p2p passthrough for mpex.co
bloctoc: if colored coins is better for that, then I'm all ears. I'm not dogmatic.
mircea_popescu: i'm not dogmatic either, contrary to what you may have heard :)
mircea_popescu: trying to sound out this entire thing, so.
mircea_popescu: now, that i do it with a 200kgf vice and an acetylene blowtorch... well.. just a matter of style.
thestringpuller: sounds like someone is cooking meth...
mircea_popescu: who ? what ?
bloctoc: I don't want to load this channel up with alt coin discussions, but there are other functionalities that need to go p2p to take care of things like profitable mining companies that lose their centralized exchange.
pankkake: mastercoin: "Peer to Peer Exchange, User Currencies, Savings Wallets, Smart Property, and Future Event Contacts"
pankkake: besides the misspelling "contacts", I'm not sure what's the point of a blockchain
pankkake: for OTC trading I've even made *throwable* contracts; when it's done no need to keep it
pankkake: however perhaps a web of trust on the blockchain could be useful
mircea_popescu: yeah. i agree pankkake, i can't discern any point where this diverges from bitcoin differently than simple ignorance.
pankkake: "user currencies" is actually a good idea, but it's decentralized (except its trading between users); you'd have an issuer
pankkake: makes a better Ripple in any case
mircea_popescu: everyone : there's a new ipmi exploit, it's perfectly capable to root your box.
mircea_popescu: if your ipmi interface is exposed ot the public internet you're at risk
pankkake: I've seen that, scary… pretty sure my server in a datacenter has ipmi, I don't know how filtered it is
mircea_popescu: this is why kvm over local ip is so much better
mircea_popescu: then again, ipmi si cheaper.
pankkake: yeah, that's the thing
pankkake: but hardware with those fancy web interfaces is such a bad idea
pankkake: there's been many router hacks etc
mircea_popescu: at least the router you can configure to only be accessible from the in side.
mircea_popescu: which is how they default
pankkake: usually. there's been examples in the wild of the contrary
pankkake: and then there's the default passwords
pankkake: or defaulting to WEP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00080077 = 3.6435 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform
mircea_popescu: hallelujah
mod6: ^^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.06555999 = 1.3112 BTC [-] {11}
mod6: Thx for the update on ipmi.
pankkake: wasn't that known already, the flash thing?
mircea_popescu: prolly. i only now heard
jurov`: i didn't knew it
pankkake: doesn't really mean the end of flash… just that they won't port newer versions
pankkake: also there's this thing with Chrome, a bundled Flash, not using the NPAPI
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00080077 = 9.6493 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so frustrated right now, fancy new audio pc has no firewire port...
nubbins`: harder and harder to find these days
pankkake: cheap pci cards available
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7345 @ 0.0008004 = 5.8789 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: last i check a majority of audio peeps use firewire sound cards
pankkake: no I mean, PCI cards providing Firewire ports
ThickAsThieves: yeah but i want sound now :(
pankkake: "I ain't instructing your bulbously barren head" lol… and here I was waiting for an actual discussion
nubbins`: lots of people just get a USB interface with a bunch of audio ports too
nubbins`: you can get some nice multitrack boards these days for not too much $$
ThickAsThieves: its the same card from my previous sys, a MOTU 828mkii
ThickAsThieves: tested to convert audio as well as some very expensive stuff from today
ThickAsThieves: made before they started using shitty converter chips
mircea_popescu: ahaha that dr greg forum guy is hysterical.
mircea_popescu: "how one never enters naked options positions, while simultaneously never hedging options positions"
mircea_popescu: aka, "how does one not steal clothes while also not returning them"
mircea_popescu: forum muppets never heard of this mystical concept of, you know... like having money ?
ThickAsThieves: yeah but he's worried you'll lose all your money and then some
mod6: they give phd's to anyone these days.
mircea_popescu: mod6 esp on forums. besides, dr nefario also had one.
mod6: hahah
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because if a bunch of redditards didn't do a lot of worrying, the ozone layer would still be there
ozbot: Mastercoin is a joke : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: o oops sorry my bad, the HOLE i meant. the ozone layer is fine. it was saved.
ThickAsThieves: "Mastercoin crossed $1,000,000 USD worth of MSC in trading volume in a 24 hours period" (citing /u/DJohnston)
mircea_popescu: the burnside method ?
mircea_popescu: "First things first, I am a Genderfluid, meaning I consider myself both male and female, but I am a biological woman. I am in tune with myself and I am a Black Beta Wolf."
pankkake: Black Beta Wolf?
mircea_popescu: i dare not ask.
mircea_popescu: tho a "Why not a dragon ?" seems appropriate.
pankkake: well, do you know about the "otherkin" stuff?
mircea_popescu: people with subclinical mental issues trying to make their insanity socially acceptable ?
pankkake: "I think I'm a penguin, so I am a penguin", basically
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.060008 = 0.24 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i am black napoleon, i discovered america in indonesia.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.03464114 = 0.2771 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00030507 = 0.6101 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: beta wolf could describe personality, but don't see why black
mircea_popescu: of course afaik beta wolves don't have sex.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.32003145 = 3.8404 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: or beta humans in PUA theory
pankkake: "In some species of birds, males pair up in twos when courting, the beta male aiding the alpha male."
mircea_popescu: beta humans have sex all the time
mircea_popescu: how do you think all the puas are born ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake ahaha that's the jerry-george idea~!
pankkake: I don't remember that
mircea_popescu: ;;google the summer of george
gribble: The Summer of George - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summer_of_George>; Summer of George - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPS3qLtaFtw>; "Seinfeld" The Summer of George (TV Episode 1997) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697794/>
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK yay! however I'm surprised bbet mods think No is the most likely. hmm unless it's accounting for the both not shipping
mircea_popescu: well doh ?
pankkake: BFL would be more than 2 months late. well, why not
pankkake: I would think they would fail less hard this time
pankkake: we'll see!
mircea_popescu: count yourself lucky if they deliver a box of fans by the 4th of july
pankkake: past performance does not predict the future!
pankkake: though a history of failure often does
ThickAsThieves: everyone has a gift
ThickAsThieves: have you seen boogie nights yet mp?
ThickAsThieves: ' The film tells the rags-to-riches-to-rags story of a young man with a dream. 17-year-old busboy Eddie Adams (Mark Wahlberg) believes that "everyone is blessed with one special gift." In Eddie's case, the gift is a 13" penis and boundless sexual energy. '
drmandude: does the name brak mean anything to any of you? I got .10 in btc with no information other than "brak" thought i might have won a bet.
ThickAsThieves: brak is a space ghost character
ThickAsThieves: i like beans!
ThickAsThieves: and such
drmandude: yeah i know that
drmandude: but hmmm
drmandude: who would send me .10 btc with no reason
drmandude: brak obama
kakobrekla: oh yeah sorry about that
kakobrekla: you can return those to my address
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i have.
mircea_popescu: i had seen it once before, 10ish years ago. it sucked then, it still sucks
mircea_popescu: speaking of films, this is probably the best visual gag of all time : http://trilema.com/2013/ah-les-belles-bacchantes/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: that is pretty good
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you played the original GTA no?
mircea_popescu: ok, i think I found the oldest written argument against the state and for decentralisation.
mircea_popescu: L'Histoire de Guillaume le Marechal
mircea_popescu: 13th century.
thestringpuller: weren't the greeks decentralized?
thestringpuller: or was their no argument for it back then?
mircea_popescu: well it has to be written actually
mircea_popescu: but in general the greeks were quite decentralised, to the degree plato
mircea_popescu: 's leviathanesque ideas struck as edgy rather than stupid
thestringpuller: interesting. I wonder where the first argument for the behemoth of centralized government came from
mircea_popescu: in written form, probably locke.
mircea_popescu: mnah, the leviathan is earlier. hobbes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 72 @ 0.08900819 = 6.4086 BTC [+] {12}
jurov`: plato had some stuff about ideal state, no? but he prolly did not meant centralisation
mircea_popescu: jurov` he did so mean centralisation. plato's idea of the republic informs both mussolini's "all in the party and nothing outside the party" as well as mao's cultural revolution.
mircea_popescu: they're both very naive, yet very pure and very faithful platonisms,
mircea_popescu: much in the way plato's own nonsense ended up with socrate dead.
Venat: so yeah
Venat: this dude has a puzzle and charges for questions he will answer with yes or no
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2**17
gribble: 131072
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00155541 = 2.3331 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: seems like a gem that takes work.
mircea_popescu: of the thinking kind.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.001551 = 1.551 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: this on the surface seems to be exactly wrong : the sorts of people liable to send btc over to "profit" in such a scheme would be the exact ones not inclined to sit down and try and figure out anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00155064 = 0.9552 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00152235 = 0.1507 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0015 = 0.147 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: "Every question is a transaction with BTC and a 'signed message(=question)' to the pot-adress." ... signed msg to the pot-address? how does that work?
nubbins`: i guess he just means put it in the note field
dexX7: yea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8166 @ 0.00079842 = 6.5199 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: so where can i find such a mixer?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2975 @ 0.0007976 = 2.3729 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you mean tag txs ? blockchain wallet apparently does it
mircea_popescu: otherwise you can introduce arbitrary data in your tx, which peopel don't like because it bloats the chain
mircea_popescu: (blockchain uses a hash mechanism to mostly avoid this problem)
nubbins`: there's a limit of i think 256 chars
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no there isn't, people have put child porn in there.
nubbins`: wat!
dexX7: i know about the blockchain.info note.. i was just wondering about how he phrased the sentence
dexX7: and then i was curious about the coin mixing
dexX7: but saw just that blockchain.info has a mixer included now
nubbins`: it's had a "shared send" thing for a while now, iirc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you got strings ? (the linux util)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0007976 = 3.9082 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailydot.com/business/bitcoin-child-porn-transaction-code/ << possibly the most iliterate discussion of bitcoin, at least since the last time amir taaki said something.
BingoBoingo: "Looking like the 'August 2012' bubble" <- Does the poster mean that time Pirateat40 dumped a bunch of coins for fiat and depressed the exchange rate for months?
mircea_popescu: you mean the time pirate guy tried to depress the exhcnage rate and failed miserably within an afternoon ?
BingoBoingo: Were they the same time? I need to go back and check on that.
mircea_popescu: there's the log somewhere, lulzy reading material.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13413 @ 0.00079976 = 10.7272 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: The worm, Linux.Darlloz, exploits a PHP vulnerability
mircea_popescu: who the fuck has apache on an embedded chip
pankkake: actually, php-cgi, so likely not apache
pankkake: (apache users are often with mod_php)
mircea_popescu: even better o.o
mircea_popescu: who installs php in cgi mode ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00080094 = 6.1672 BTC [+]
pankkake: who installs php?!
pankkake: php-cgi is fastcgi too. but on a router it might make sense to have cgi; less memory usage when the web interface is not used
mircea_popescu: pankkake well the entire "we put lamp in there" thing i could see maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00079652 = 7.6466 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: basically this is a "bfl will fail to deliver by march" wioth some irrelevant crap tacked on
jurov`: interesting, all BitcoinSARL's stuff is unreachable except bitcoinbourse.eu
jurov`: https://twitter.com/dotcoin loool so dude has it at some french hosting.. and nobody's going to fix it cus it's friday evening
benkay: ;;ticker --market bitstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1128.51, Best ask: 1129.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 1129.0, 24 hour volume: 21860.41608710, 24 hour low: 988.22, 24 hour high: 1129.0, 24 hour vwap: 1048.35502421
benkay: ;;ticker --currency xau
gribble: MtGox BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.972824, Best ask: 0.975199936, Bid-ask spread: 0.00238, Last trade: 0.97176, 24 hour volume: 49622.81261394, 24 hour low: 0.84, 24 hour high: 0.9936, 24 hour vwap: 0.928699928
jurov`: anyone knows who is behing this? http://alpha-t.net/ - litecoin asic
jurov`: the font in logo made me suspect it's bitcoinsarl's doing... but can't find any link
jurov`: aka markus weiler
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00179999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: first time i see it.
mircea_popescu: and picostocks ends.
jurov`: meh, they will do an IPO
davout: ouch
mircea_popescu: the funny part : his cold wallet was 600 btc and his hot wallet 5k
mircea_popescu: because that's how you design these things.
benkay: "cold wallet"
benkay: ain't a cold wallet if someone had access in the past.
mircea_popescu: this is the internet, where things are whatever anyone imagines them to be.
kakobrekla: 0 ghash :\
mircea_popescu: no, i think she gets a few hashes.
benkay: where's the dark search engine, eh?
benkay: to whom do i send .00001 btc for a good indexing of all of the content that us and related thugs want me kept from?
ozbot: Revisiting the topic of “economic injustice”, with examples pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0007969 = 7.1721 BTC [+]
benkay: slavery's the default state, yo. just because democracy has been here for the past several however long doesn't mean that either a) it eradicated things that look like what americans would knee-jerk call 'slavery' instantly upon governmental instantiation OR b) it worked well and can be used as a demonstration of why all other forms of government are bad
benkay: regular turnover at the top is required, dammit!
benkay: and that comes with bloodshed.
mircea_popescu: he has a point tho. it doesn't HAVE to come with bloodshed.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to not arrange economic incentives so that anyone is better served by denying another's competence than by recognising it.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, democracy is possibly the worst system, inasmuch as look at all the wrangling in the forums re mpex.
benkay: democracy is worst because it tends towards denying competence instead of recognizing it?
mircea_popescu: it incentivizes people to deny competence instead of recognising it, yes.
benkay: it conflates competence with acreditation, too
jurov`: i dont believe democracy particularly stands out
jurov`: people promote competence only in times of need
jurov`: otherwise it's petty games
mircea_popescu: well, i'd state that as "people are willing to step on their unwarranted self delusions of grandeur and recognise other's superiority only when hunger or fear compels them to"
mircea_popescu: obviously exceptions, what we call gentlemen, exist.
mircea_popescu: these are probably going to stay exceptions
mircea_popescu: more generally : on any particular question you will always find more people who made a mistake than people who got it right. this is the very nature of error. if voting decides what's error and what's not then there will be nothing but errors.
mircea_popescu: democracy fundamentally incentivizes people to be wrong.
benkay: how? i understand the majority of a group of humans being wrong about things, but how do you get from that to democracy incentivizing people to be wrong?
mircea_popescu: well, would you rather lose the elections or win the elections ?
benkay: oh, so the guy on the podium says things that are wrong to get the votes
benkay: "i stand for giving everyone a buttcoin!"
mircea_popescu: it's visible there, but otherwise ubiquitous.
benkay: "vote derp 2020!"
mircea_popescu: why do you think people watch the crud "entertainment" produced these days ?
nubbins`: it certainly incentivizes people to pretend they know what they're doing, even when they fully do not
mircea_popescu: because it's good ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i think that's the most visible form of the thing, "so this guy can drive, well, so can I. watch me"
nubbins`: combine that with the fact that for some reason, admitting you were wrong is a death blow in politics
nubbins`: people will just drive the car off the cliff rather than let someone else take over the wheel -- or even suggest which direction to turn!
mircea_popescu: luckily we have enough cars.
nubbins`: and deep canyons
jurov`: again, doesn't a despot have to do the same?
jurov`: what's to do with democracy?
mircea_popescu: a despot has to be good enough to survive.
nubbins`: jurov, this is common among all forms of leadership
nubbins`: not restricted to democracy
mircea_popescu: the voter faces no such challenge (and in fact the only funds diverted from filing canyons with crumpled cars go to ensure elector never faces any inconvenience)
mircea_popescu: no, i really beleive it's not the same thing. the despot is perpetually at danger for hius life.
nubbins`: the politician believes his situation to be just as serious, however naively
jurov`: would that improve or impair his rational skills? i'm not sure
jurov`: being at danger for one's life can improve fighting skills... but statesman skills? dunno
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the politician is unimportant. compare the sovereigns. elector vs tyrant.
mircea_popescu: jurov` well, it may or may not improve skills, but it does incentivize the right way at least.
mircea_popescu: scared tyrants aren't particularly dangerous. it's the tyrants that perceive themselves safe, a la stalin or the voting public in france/us/sweden/etc that are dangerous.
benkay: to my naive eyes, it seems like large-scale organization requires an external threat to keep the organizing machinery even remotely functional
thestringpuller: diving and trading on mpex
thestringpuller: talkin onth eirc
mircea_popescu: the unthreatened mongols organised pretty much central asia's most complex empire.
thestringpuller: love the space future!!!!
mircea_popescu: who threatened the brits during their heyday ?
benkay: naivte...
mircea_popescu: nah, it's not outside threat, it's a certain worldview. one that deliberately opresses stupidity.
nubbins`: and to this day, ghengis khan's face festoons the walls of mongolian eateries the world over!
thestringpuller: the french?
mircea_popescu: what's come to be known as "colonialism" is the key ingredient to civilisation.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the french were quite routed after trafalgar and waterloo.
nubbins`: oh hey, finally hit $1000 on virtex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02901001 = 0.2611 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: dat window cleaner.
ozbot: Efforts of Developing new Exchange Service
mircea_popescu: have no fear, there's fresh replacements.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32001402 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.320001 = 1.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00183997 = 0.2098 BTC [+]
mod6: its like whack-a-mole
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00183997 = 0.1785 BTC [+]
Duffer1: how's your game coming along MP?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 not bad. now there's functioning indoors,
mircea_popescu: and a bunch of other stuff.
Duffer1: what's the site again? it's been a while since i've looked at it
Duffer1: ah i meant website where i could see progress
ozbot: S.MG pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Duffer1: awesome, thanks
ozbot: Bitcoin Research in Princeton CS
ThickAsThieves: bitbet watchout!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00079654 = 6.1334 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol the guy "build an understanding of the political economy" w/o ever showing up on bitcoin-assets ?
mircea_popescu: what's with fiat academics and bold claims ?
mircea_popescu: "We showed that this is not the case, that there are infinitely many outcomes that are stable yet differ from the written rules of Bitcoin."
ThickAsThieves: i like how mp never makes bold claims
mircea_popescu: lmao. glwt srsly.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i'm no academic.
ThickAsThieves: did someone already announce this same thing 2mos ago
ThickAsThieves: the next intrade for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: There are two main difficulties: first, how can a pair of anonymous participants trade shares without a trusted party to facilitate the transaction?
mircea_popescu: o gawdy.
ThickAsThieves: he'll make colored coins while he's at it
mircea_popescu: when we take over there's going to be a grand bronze statue of The Anonymous Derp in Bitcoin Plaza
mircea_popescu: the Anon Derp will go "hey guyse here's this new original wheel I invented all by myself in my garret!"
mircea_popescu: where's deadweasel to link him to the log.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: can the statue be riding a unicycle whilst making the claim?
mircea_popescu: by all means it should.
mod6: haha
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1213.6, Best ask: 1215.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.40000, Last trade: 1213.53111, 24 hour volume: 47461.30788966, 24 hour low: 1050.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1161.81461
benkay: ;;ticker --currency xau
gribble: MtGox BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.9720972, Best ask: 0.972792, Bid-ask spread: 0.00069, Last trade: 0.97203616, 24 hour volume: 46968.16654223, 24 hour low: 0.84, 24 hour high: 0.9936, 24 hour vwap: 0.929718168
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 679 @ 0.00191362 = 1.2993 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1352 @ 0.00194011 = 2.623 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1800 @ 0.00203374 = 3.6607 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0020338 = 0.1729 BTC [+]
benkay: oh look who it is
benkay: hello sir
benkay: firstblockchain: talkin to you
jcpham: yay webchat!
benkay: everybody gotta start somewhere
firstblockchain: and Ima listenin'
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079654 BTC [-]
benkay: i barfed in my mouth a little
benkay: gosh it just makes no sense
benkay: give all the starving mexicans citizenship and put them on the welfare rolls, but don't let the depressed canadians in to spend tourist dollars
Duffer1: "..give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free... LOL JUST KIDDING"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00203498 = 0.1445 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: i suppose the future of medicine is having doctors sign contracts where if your information leaks they're held in strict liability.
mircea_popescu: "plz ilegallty share my medical records, it makes me 1.5k per item"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00312066 = 0.2216 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: doctors will be forced to comply with secret legislation or their info will be outright stolen by govt backdoors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.00203999 = 0.304 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: sucks to be them.
Duffer1: no doubt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.0031221 = 0.2591 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: He even described a telephone call in which a salesperson tried to sell him a 284 bit encrypted program. When Vasovski asked him what he thought of Julian Assange, he replied that he didn’t know who that was. “At that point I said, ‘you’re trying to sell me a computer security program and you don’t know who Julian Assange is?’”
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1206.0, Best ask: 1207.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 1206.00101, 24 hour volume: 36361.83483733, 24 hour low: 1070.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1168.05129
benkay: in related, personal news, i have been having trouble sleeping lately because i jammed a splinter under my thumb after cutting my nails and i can't tell if its infected or i just cut my nails too closely and i don't have health insurance
mircea_popescu: USD1087.03913.44527.31
mircea_popescu: day week month avg prices.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 132 @ 0.0029 = 0.3828 BTC [+]
HaltingState: is this the main mastercoin channel?
benkay: more like masters of the coin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10190 @ 0.00080036 = 8.1557 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00080098 = 30.1969 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1224.9, Best ask: 1226.3, Bid-ask spread: 1.40000, Last trade: 1224.9, 24 hour volume: 34850.18782590, 24 hour low: 1080.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1172.65949
ozbot: MPOE, November 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: worst month since april or w/e.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32 = 0.64 BTC [-]
dexX7: Revenue from new accounts : 530 BTC
dexX7: wow
Duffer1: 17.6 people? i thought new account were 30 each?
pankkake: who's the 0.666 user?
dexX7: much more than the last months?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 you can get 10 off
mircea_popescu: dexX7 about 3x
pankkake: how so? tits?
mircea_popescu: pankkake huh ?
pankkake: the 10 off
Duffer1: how to get 10 off i think he's asking :P
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that, mpoe profit is branded by the beast.
Duffer1: i see
benkay: SELL SELL SELL
benkay: you know it's going to be a rough month for the bot when it stops quoting
mircea_popescu: benkay that's incidental tho, it stopped quoting because bitcoincharts went kinda awol.
mircea_popescu: and atm there's no options listed because as announced im going to cut a digit.
mircea_popescu: because what's one to do, scientific notation ?
benkay: life on the hockey stick, i suppose.
mircea_popescu: lol this just in, courtesy of concerned investor "i must say, your statement suffers from a lack of comments about your inability to say things and the desire you feel to redeem yourself at a future date"
benkay: what things do they want said?
benkay: "pricing options is a risky business"?
mircea_popescu: i took it to be a sly reference at all the non-statements ppl make on the forum
mircea_popescu: somehow magically nobody noticed or seems to care.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ kakobrekla i wonder how many people still own the addresses they put down on a yearlong bet like that.
ozbot: BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014
pankkake: what, you're trying to find a new way to scam users!?
pankkake: " LTC/BTC at BTC-e will stay ABOVE 0.03 and BELOW 0.06 " don't see a similar bet, but the under 0.03 happened already
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm thinking... it's probably the case that at least half trhe addresses are lost etc. why send btc there ? just stop paying altogether, it's for the good of Bitcoin! </sarcasm>
pankkake: don't pay, see if people complain
pankkake: actually, I was thinking of how much services end up as extra btc from people dying etc
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin price to rise above 1000
mircea_popescu: Rejection reason: Too late. lol good 1
pankkake: on shares migrations, I can see some shares are unacounted for
mircea_popescu: well this is yet another point where bitbet design shines. we don't ever have thios problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00080074 = 13.2122 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: having leftover btc is a problem? ;)
pankkake: imagine, you could have a fully feeless service as long as enough people die!
mircea_popescu: this sounds like a problem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.32 = 2.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31823398 = 0.6365 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02900001 = 0.29 BTC [-]
benkay: hey mircea_popescu would you elaborate on how you envision bitbet replacing the courts system?
mircea_popescu: a bet is a controversy in fact, anchored in the future.
mircea_popescu: a suit steams from a controversy in fact, anchored in the past.
mircea_popescu: as the future eventualyl turns into past, what bitbet has to do and what the courts have to do are homomorphic : establish what the words say, what the facts are and how the two relate.
mircea_popescu: i've quite deliberately constructed it so a lot of triage of facts can be easily done by the users
mircea_popescu: (the constant, leave proof in comments thing, for instance)
mircea_popescu: that's a stem. it can further develop.
mircea_popescu: this is incidentally not so different from the core principles of the rota system,
mircea_popescu: where parties to the controversy also had to deliberately submit to judgement and advance bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: bitbet is a superset of that, really.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00203899 = 0.1346 BTC [-]
nubbins`: benkay: healthcare.gov
benkay: hey here's a stoopid idea: futures on difficulty rate increase rather than difficulty itself
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: they're just trying to prevent the lady's insurance from being cancelled: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/depressed-woman-loses-benefits-over-facebook-photos-1.861843
mircea_popescu: benkay it's been done afaik
benkay: daaah i fail to find references because forum spam.
nubbins`: i don't understand "nastyfans"/"nasty mining"
nubbins`: why does a mining pool have a fan club?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31752 BTC [-]
saulimus: nubbins`, it's to disguise investing as "donating" because you're a "fan"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00302061 = 0.1752 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ah, like the college radio station doesn't sell cds, they "gift" you a cd if you "donate" $5
saulimus: something like that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00032376 = 0.1619 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: on an old old topic from the vaults like three days ago, how does one hedge against the local fiat regime's complete failure?
benkay: if building reserves just makes one a milky cow, wat the f do?
benkay: make friends with criminals and broker their bitcoin purchases, thereby positioning self well for imminent shitstorm?
KRS1: hate to ask this here..i value the opinion of you guys..do you think the site litecoinstore.com is legit
Duffer1: i have lost faith in everything that isn't bitcoin itself
Duffer1: go with the assumption it's a scam
benkay: man at a 15% markup for converting your btc to cash that's a rawwww deal
KRS1: thats what im thinking
KRS1: benkay i found theres a price to pay one way or the other
benkay: either time to meet someone in person, or money to save the time
benkay: sucks for us broke fuckers with neither time nor money
KRS1: ok thanks guys i appreciate it-
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 826 @ 0.00032 = 0.2643 BTC [-]
KRS1: never did in person sale
KRS1: i don't trust any fucks
KRS1: except you guys <3
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.31752 = 1.2701 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.31751032 = 0.9525 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 475 @ 0.00037014 = 0.1758 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: benkay i distinctly recall a diff will grow 20% or more each week bet on bitbet.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 seems new, i never heard of it b4
KRS1: ya i approach new in bitcoin carefully.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.32917935 = 0.9875 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: the article everyone kept asking for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13247 @ 0.00080113 = 10.6126 BTC [+] {3}
dexX7: every day a new php lesson?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0030292 = 0.6058 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00080511 = 7.5278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15184 @ 0.00080592 = 12.2371 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: dexX7 well since i have all this code...
mircea_popescu: by now it's almost worth it to pay for php developers simply to give me trilema article material which then gets me trilema credits which are btc
mircea_popescu: i suspect the whole thing's better than mining.
dexX7: sounds like a masterplan
KRS1: does it even have to be php cant it be any content thats sought after
KRS1: seo it up dude
KRS1: download an entir KB
KRS1: ftw
KRS1: grab a leet feed..any number of things would work wouldnt it?
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a leeter feed than trilema.
Duffer1: do you have any articles about noobs that lose everything?
dexX7: uh oh
Duffer1: hehe
Duffer1: wts sob story only 182b
mircea_popescu: well i do occasionally cover various scams etc.
Duffer1: he's probably got too much material for blogs posts about that anyways :(
dexX7: what happend? did you have anything picostocks listed or is it just a general sadness about scams?
Duffer1: the labcoin scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7653 @ 0.000805 = 6.1607 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk.
mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter is, scams are nearly magical, in that they manage to take in people seemingly irrespective of iq etc.
dexX7: what i think is shocking is that so many things ended bad.. chinese exchanges, inputs.io, basic-mining, labcoin, picostocks, bitfunder..
dexX7: totally hurts my illusion of a happy btc world
Duffer1: it's impressive just how bad they ended as well, virtually worst case scenario for all of them
benkay: lower barriers to entry mean lower quality of entrants
benkay: lower quality entrants attract sharks
Bugpowder: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 23 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> can the statue be riding a unicycle whilst making the claim?
dexX7: hehe well put..
mircea_popescu: benkay has a point, but the matter is significantly complicated by a large enough population of functionally illiterate people who've been fed for decades on the illusion that someone else is there to protect them
mircea_popescu: and that they don't need to think or do any useful work or manage their own lives or contribute anything worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: put that together with a no-backsies medium and you're definitely attracting sharks.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-anatomy-of-a-scam/ << speaking of labcoin, check out the comments on this thing.
ozbot: The anatomy of a scam. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
dexX7: sec
dexX7: lel
mircea_popescu: dexX7 wait, that's actually how we met isn't it
dexX7: yes, it was that time
mircea_popescu: you ended up on the list there by virtue of being in the thread
dexX7: yup
dexX7: i still believe in burnside though
lewicki: what is burnside up to?
dexX7: "cooperates with scammers, fakes volume"
mircea_popescu: working with nefario to invent the exchange of the future.
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