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mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, because he's all like "let's be reasonable" and "save the kids"
mircea_popescu: what 19 yo ever gives a shit that a bunch of other 20 yos are off to gaol
mircea_popescu: you gotta be fucking old to have forgotten that you can make a kid replacement in half an hour and it'll be fun, so who the fuck cares.
mircea_popescu: and also, macs are for artsy fags who can't code
mircea_popescu: and what kako said
mircea_popescu: and furthermore.
asciilifeform: now if only Tadpole (maker of SPARC laptops) hadn't croaked.
nubbins`: but i can code ;(
nubbins`: furthermore, Xcode has top-tier debugging tools
nubbins`: objective-c is a piece of shit language, mind you
mircea_popescu: this holy war is going poorly.
nubbins`: show me one that hasn't!
mircea_popescu: yuou kidding ? most of the early ones went great, you could destroy a chan for ten days with one.
nubbins`: if some christian guy said "seriously guys, it's really wine now, try it, it's really good", and it turns out he's right, actual holy wars would be pretty impotent affairs as well
nubbins`: best i've got so far is "macs r 4 fags"
nubbins`: you guys aren't even trying ;(
asciilifeform: suppose i should throw this oldie in: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
mircea_popescu: holy wars work not because anyone tries, but because everyone involved makes the effort to interpret what's said so as to offend him
mircea_popescu: YOU are not trying.
asciilifeform: (300,000+ page views, many from angry fanbois, on that one)
nubbins`: asciilifeform: people underestimate the OS maker having 100% control over the hardware
nubbins`: anyone who doesn't use a macbook as their primary laptop is a fucking idiot
asciilifeform: quoting mr. jobs: 'we're gonna take unfair advantage of the fact that we control the whole device.'
mircea_popescu: what's a primary laptop
mircea_popescu: i fucking hate the things
nubbins`: y'know, we all have 5 laptops
asciilifeform: mine gets powered up once every business quarter or so.
nubbins`: this "walled garden" thing is a real yawn, too
mircea_popescu: Herpes Virus Found on Library Copies of 'Fifty Shades of Grey'
nubbins`: people acting like they never bought a video game console
kakobrekla: fun fact, mine is on 24/7, literally.
asciilifeform: i never once did.
kakobrekla: i dont see whats wrong with them
asciilifeform: actually, that's a lie. bought a 'virtual boy' once - to cannibalize for the optics.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: you're in the rare position of being allowed to complain about walled gardens
mircea_popescu: i never bought a video game either.
mircea_popescu: not even a game boy
mircea_popescu: i always played on the pc, and was chair of the "mock the game console faggots" pc gamer club
mircea_popescu: (and the z80 before the pc, which i suppose could be argued to be a gaming console,
mircea_popescu: in that gaming consoles at the time were also z80 clones)
nubbins`: consoles could never pull off the greats, like the incredible machine
nubbins`: lemmings, even
mircea_popescu: consoles sucked because no kbd
mircea_popescu: i'd have tried it if it had a kbd. but joystick ?
mircea_popescu: i have to this day never used one.
nubbins`: the fuck you gonna do with a joystick
mircea_popescu: esp if you're not a girl./
asciilifeform: perhaps it's not fair, but i hold consoles responsible for the extinction of "thinking man's" games
nubbins`: inorite?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, school did that.
nubbins`: well, again, you could never pull off the incredible machine on a console
asciilifeform: or even 'zork'
mircea_popescu: or heroes.
mircea_popescu: i can imagine how fucking awkward that'd have been
mircea_popescu: and mind, 3do was in fact a console maker
asciilifeform: the one that cost what a high-end pc of the time did?
nubbins`: it was what, $700 in 1995?
mircea_popescu: that was the other thing, pc = spend 500, upgrade it by parts, games free
mircea_popescu: console = spend > 500, upgrade it in > 500 at a time increments, games cost more than the unit
mircea_popescu: and if you upgrade you lost all your old shit.
asciilifeform: i remember, as a kid, finding out about consoles and that other boys had... countably small! collections of games
asciilifeform: which they had to wheedle actual money to pay for
mircea_popescu: isn't that a shocker.
nubbins`: imagine
mircea_popescu: "if you're that stupid perhaps you wish to buy the right to suck my cock at my option ?"
nubbins`: i think i was in grade 7 before the idea of mod chips became known
asciilifeform: "limited time 20% discount per liter!"
asciilifeform: funny thing is, with basic rom-diddling equipment being a dime a dozen now, classic consoles are a great place to learn to program a 'real computer'
asciilifeform: (that is, one where you actually control the machine.)
mircea_popescu: interestng
mircea_popescu: basically it all turned around huh.
asciilifeform: free, even. (emulation)
asciilifeform: not that many people take advantage of this.
asciilifeform: but a chum of mine confessed to writing 'classic nintendo' stuff.
mircea_popescu: i remember how indignant i was that dune 2 did no bounds checking
mircea_popescu: so you could end up breaking the credits counter
nubbins`: y'know, sega really pulled a nice one with the sonic the hedgehog series
nubbins`: they built all of these secret areas into sonic 2 and 3
mircea_popescu: i was never one for scrollers.
nubbins`: and then released a "sonic & knuckles" cartridge that you could insert sonic 2/3 into
nubbins`: creating this massive cartridge
nubbins`: and letting you play the older games with a new character, unlocking all these previously off-limits areas
mircea_popescu: interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.00196401 = 1.473 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: game genie was pretty rad
nubbins`: poke random integers into the game code in the hopes that you'd endow yourself with unlimited lives or super-jumps
dexX7: dune 2 haha.. nice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.12500003 = 0.25 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dune 2. it was the mother of all warcrafts.
mircea_popescu: "People who think there is a difference between wikipedia and erepublic/conquiztador are pretty lel"
mircea_popescu: is that you nubbins` ?
nubbins`: :0 nope
nubbins`: it must be spreading
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.632 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2232 @ 0.00013705 = 0.3059 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6328 = 3.164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6328 = 2.5312 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2737 @ 0.00013706 = 0.3751 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 999 @ 0.00104005 = 1.039 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.28489998 = 0.5698 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.37999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 120 @ 0.00104477 = 0.1254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12855 @ 0.00082195 = 10.5662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3345 @ 0.00082151 = 2.748 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00188444 = 0.1036 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 124 @ 0.00400097 = 0.4961 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.04459999 = 0.9366 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 96 @ 0.00104477 = 0.1003 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.15749983 = 0.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.04459999 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00400001 = 0.14 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00083306 = 3.9154 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 144 @ 0.00104477 = 0.1504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00083325 = 7.9159 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8281 @ 0.00082121 = 6.8004 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63279 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.0445 = 0.178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0445 = 0.4895 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0445 = 0.445 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4900 @ 0.00014 = 0.686 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0445 = 0.2225 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.0445 = 0.5785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1363 @ 0.00083191 = 1.1339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2923 @ 0.00082514 = 2.4119 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8592 @ 0.00014 = 1.2029 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.15300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.15300001 BTC [-]
freeroute: Ukto: hi, I have a question about Bitfunder. I still have some funds on there, but it says that minimum withdraw amount is 0.1 BTC. So will the amount I have on my account get credited to my public address?
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 467.00004, Best ask: 470.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.99996, Last trade: 467.00003, 24 hour volume: 29862.90490637, 24 hour low: 413.05, 24 hour high: 471.5, 24 hour vwap: 442.21295
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.15300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.15300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.15300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61200003 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61175001 = 2.447 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61100002 = 2.444 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.15300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.15300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.15300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00082412 = 5.398 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.15300001 = 0.306 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.15300001 = 0.306 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 750 @ 0.0001382 = 0.1037 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.56061000 BTC to 1`121`220 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.0445 = 0.1335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 937 @ 0.00082829 = 0.7761 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0058669 = 0.1467 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 153 @ 0.001031 = 0.1577 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: shit is officially weird, yo
benkay: i dreamt about the cast of -assets last night
ThickAsThieves: that is weird
ThickAsThieves: i dont dream about work type stuff much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8382 @ 0.00083469 = 6.9964 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 686 @ 0.001904 = 1.3061 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: ;;ident Ukto
gribble: Nick 'Ukto', with hostmask 'Ukto!~Kami-Sama@unaffiliated/ukto', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 426 @ 0.00102386 = 0.4362 BTC [-] {8}
ozbot: Man Spites His Ex-Wife in the One of the Most Elaborate, Expensive Ways Imaginable | TheBlaze.com
benkay: lights it at night
benkay: dem slovakian babes
benkay: on the topic of that part of the world, and women: www.returnofkings.com/16728/russian-girls-are-all-whores
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no they're not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.603 = 1.206 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 600 @ 0.00104462 = 0.6268 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: that is the article's point.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00083034 = 9.1337 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: ;;later tell coinflow fix mpex charts plz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 463.2, Best ask: 466.63999, Bid-ask spread: 3.43999, Last trade: 466.63999, 24 hour volume: 29806.70653398, 24 hour low: 413.05, 24 hour high: 477.0, 24 hour vwap: 444.04291
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.13829999 = 1.1064 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 127 @ 0.00104464 = 0.1327 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00082809 = 3.3124 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60170002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 187 @ 0.00579999 = 1.0846 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 669 @ 0.00104331 = 0.698 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3108 @ 0.0010445 = 3.2463 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 443 @ 0.00103399 = 0.4581 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 40000 @ 0.00014 = 5.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6883 @ 0.00083308 = 5.7341 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.0444909 = 0.9788 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 99 @ 0.001043 = 0.1033 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1337 @ 0.00104476 = 1.3968 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.28487875 = 2.279 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00083389 = 6.5877 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00584779 = 0.4152 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: RNG board is here ; cute shirts bonus pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60170003 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I am an executive assistant by profession, but I have worked as a stripper and escort in the US."
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.28488 = 0.5698 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.628 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha! kakobrekla get a load of this one :
mircea_popescu: "I seem to remember you and ciuciu had several arguments on this forum. I'm trying to track him down and looking for info about him as he scammed the members of ASIC.COOP. Can you confirm his name is Nicolae Serbanescu?"
mircea_popescu: the douche WAS romanian.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5448 @ 0.00083307 = 4.5386 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00014 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 112 @ 0.00103664 = 0.1161 BTC [-] {5}
kakobrekla: oh wow
kakobrekla: but his supposed romanian name is not confirmed is it
mircea_popescu: not afaik
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0008279 = 3.9739 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 459.011, Best ask: 461.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.98900, Last trade: 461.0, 24 hour volume: 26394.47954043, 24 hour low: 413.05, 24 hour high: 477.0, 24 hour vwap: 445.1446
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 481 @ 0.00190001 = 0.9139 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: thestringpuller: irc don't work like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4986 @ 0.00082982 = 4.1375 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 461.989, vol: 26200.78516763 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.5, vol: 25195.69921728 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 20095.7456 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 432.49, vol: 7905.81538502 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 423.0, vol: 495.5216828 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 454.625922, vol: 45453.03400000 | Volume-weighted last average: 444.444051078
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00083233 = 4.5778 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7640 @ 0.0001388 = 1.0604 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6018 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.60170001 = 12.034 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.6014 = 9.6224 BTC [-]
Kleeck: .d
ozbot: 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 148 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0422% in 0d 20h 19m 49s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00083338 = 2.2918 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6014 = 3.6084 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 859 @ 0.00013501 = 0.116 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15190 @ 0.000134 = 2.0355 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00206009 = 0.4038 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 186 @ 0.00217659 = 0.4048 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0058399 = 0.111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6014 = 1.2028 BTC [-]
Bunnyh: can i send multiple transactions to a bitbet betting address so that they'll all be counted as valid bets (with different weights)?
thestringpuller: use different addresses mr. lazy
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 462.81796, Best ask: 467.995, Bid-ask spread: 5.17704, Last trade: 467.995, 24 hour volume: 21432.43325140, 24 hour low: 416.39, 24 hour high: 477.0, 24 hour vwap: 452.285
assbot: 123!
thestringpuller: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: Stupid fucking white man.
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080854 / 0.00082919 / 0.00083757 (149968 shares, 124.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00080854 / 0.00083617 / 0.00088996 (1235791 shares, 1,033.34 BTC), 30D: 0.00080585 / 0.00082961 / 0.00088996 (3080543 shares, 2,555.66 BTC)
Bunnyh: ok, thanks. maybe that should be in the faq?
thestringpuller: It's self evident though
thestringpuller: multiple addresses wil always work for different weights
thestringpuller: it's pretty trivial
jurov: thestringpuller: afaik it's completely okay to send multiple times to same bitbet addy
jurov: i have done it and remember kako sayin it's a feature
jurov: ofc all rules apply
jurov: Bunnyh ^
Bunnyh: i'll try with a small amount, sounds like a useful feature at least
thestringpuller: i just trollin
thestringpuller: i just use multiple addie's
kakobrekla: yeah you can use the same one as many times as you want
kakobrekla: its active as long as bets are accepted
kakobrekla: the whole idea is that you use one address for all your bets
kakobrekla: and change it from time to time if you think your identitiy is compromised
thestringpuller: is there a bet about whether or not they will make ulricht disclose his wallet passphrase?
kakobrekla: but it will make it a lot easier to follow your own bets if you use same one
Bunnyh: do all the payouts come as a single transaction too for each output address? so if i bet 1 BTC + 0.01 BTC and win, i won't get 1.something and a dust transaction back?
thestringpuller: or w/e his name is
kakobrekla: Bunnyh no they are sent as 1
Bunnyh: ok, that's good
kakobrekla: ofc is good, i made it!
gribble: 5.109297380161518E8
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 599056056.935 based on data since last change | 663480101.004 based on data for last three days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.28486999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00083497 = 2.8389 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: ;;seen TradeFortress
gribble: TradeFortress was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 12 hours, and 49 seconds ago: <TradeFortress> I especially love their 64 (?) core servers when the deadlock is probably db locking.
kakobrekla: some imposter or the real thing?
pankkake: is there a difference?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.28653894 = 2.8654 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.29159999 = 1.458 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: pankkake: comment t'allez vous?
pankkake: ça va bien, et toi ?
thestringpuller: je suis fatigue
thestringpuller: Ce qui est nouveau?
Namworld: zut... le monde icitte, y parlent francais astheure
thestringpuller: j'ai oublie tu es francais...
pankkake: pire, québécois ?
thestringpuller: eeh tu es canadian*
pankkake: bonsoir
nubbins`: good to see those nsa shirts getting some use
truffles: allo
pankkake: any dark ones planned?
nubbins`: you'd have to ask mp
nubbins`: we printed some sweet zines today, check it out
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: you buy two, you get an original drawing
truffles: whats fantasma?
nubbins`: spanish for "ghost"
nubbins`: or so i'm told
truffles: weird stuff that is
nubbins`: you should see the insides
truffles: doesnt fit my idea of art..
nubbins`: maybe you shouldn't see the insides, then
pankkake: I've seen worse from spaniards!
nubbins`: you know not all those who speak spanish are spaniards ;)
deadweasel: giant acorn squash stuffed with apple pear wild rice bacon carmelized onion..... not sure if I should add cheese?
deadweasel: probably not.
truffles: pic?
truffles: thats an odd mix
deadweasel: it's what I had
deadweasel: honey and light cinnamon too.. wish I had maple syrup.
thestringpuller: intereseting
thestringpuller: !ticker havelock AM1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.60140000 / 0.60974533 / 0.63280000 (77 shares, 46.95039046 BTC), 7D: 0.39999999 / 0.60570547 / 0.73450000 (1415 shares, 857.07324217 BTC), 30D: 0.39999999 / 0.69176875 / 1.06000000 (5386 shares, 3725.86649462 BTC)
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
deadweasel: tastes like thanksgiving.
truffles: sounds nice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00083535 = 1.7125 BTC [+]
truffles: the grains on top makes me not want to eat that heh
deadweasel: wild rice is so yums
deadweasel: grapes too, forgot grapes. nom
truffles: why didnt u put the rice in a nice pile
truffles: like in the center
pankkake: looks yummy
jurov: completely missed the cardano news, yay
deadweasel: whatsa news?
kakobrekla: apparently its near impossible to get a german make a phone call for you
kakobrekla: who would have thought.
deadweasel: news to me
deadweasel: jurov, tks
deadweasel: is there some kind of preorder line?
jurov: not afaik
deadweasel: thank god
jurov: maybe if you register as VIP to the conference
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.0008365 = 7.403 BTC [+] {3}
deadweasel: I'm a Representative of the International Bitcoin Assc.
deadweasel: i'm sure they have my name already.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.59969999 = 11.994 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.000134 = 0.67 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4960 @ 0.00083592 = 4.1462 BTC [-]
ozbot: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops - Bloomberg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7200 @ 0.0001381 = 0.9943 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.1600909 = 1.761 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: communism requires such contortions of its adherents.
benkay: "putting solar panels on your roof puts an unfair cost onto your neighbors without solar panels"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.00560999 = 0.9649 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 412 @ 0.00551201 = 2.2709 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.04444888 = 0.1333 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.04444899 = 0.2667 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.044449 = 1.0223 BTC [+]
mod6: just fyi: made a new biotter shell script (for air gapped hosts) https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_ag
mod6: *bitotter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00083146 = 9.2292 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0055232 = 0.1988 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00552205 = 0.8283 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 850 @ 0.00221496 = 1.8827 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.044449 = 0.4889 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 478.5, Best ask: 480.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 478.5, 24 hour volume: 17334.66243635, 24 hour low: 441.44499, 24 hour high: 480.0, 24 hour vwap: 462.53993
Diablo-D3: wat.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 478.72, Best ask: 479.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.18000, Last trade: 478.72, 24 hour volume: 17246.82217970, 24 hour low: 441.44499, 24 hour high: 480.0, 24 hour vwap: 462.63227
mircea_popescu: ahh, good morning assets
mircea_popescu: how do all you millionaires feel this fine sunday ?
mod6: :]
mod6: how are you doin?
mircea_popescu: heeh. just dandy.
mod6: some really great comments on that air-gap trilema article.
mod6: the tomato soup one in particular :D
mircea_popescu: historically trilema was actually better for the comments rthan the articles.
mircea_popescu: once i switched to english this temporarily went away, but it's slowly returning.
mod6: what a bunch of assholes
mircea_popescu: the crazy thing is... 70 cents per kw ?
mircea_popescu: that's pretty damned huge.
mircea_popescu: just how much DOES power cost in the us these days.
mod6: i mean seriously
asciilifeform: i'm paying a tenth of that
asciilifeform: depends quite heavily on the region.
mircea_popescu: and unrelated : if anyone was waiting to try eulora, server is up and more or less stable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no wait. this is for kw-month
mircea_popescu: not kw-hour
asciilifeform: ok then it's absurdly cheap
mircea_popescu: ok that makes more sense wtf.
mircea_popescu: so why are they so pissed that there's a ~ 0.1 cent fee per kwh ?
mircea_popescu: something would have to be charged just to maintain the grid + meters + etc.
mircea_popescu: “Its totally unfair to put any charge on customers that are simply reducing demand,” said Court Rich
mircea_popescu: fuckwits.
asciilifeform: somebody needs to fire an accountant
asciilifeform: (they could've just reduced the rate paid back to the solar folks, subtracting line maintenance charge)
mod6: the power companies in az are asswads.
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's federally mandated or some retarded shit.
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.60452, Best ask: 477.543, Bid-ask spread: 0.93848, Last trade: 476.60452, 24 hour volume: 17300.32234790, 24 hour low: 441.44499, 24 hour high: 481.48267, 24 hour vwap: 463.10565
mircea_popescu: the us is so far from a naturally regulating market economy it's scary.
asciilifeform: could've gotten the same spreadsheet, without the brouhaha
asciilifeform: in a market economy, a place like Az would be inhabited by Indians only
mircea_popescu: and people who like tans
mod6: its the saudi arabia of sunlight, and anyone who has solar probably figures they're "sticking it to the man" since they get paid if they push back to the grid.
asciilifeform: the day the plug is pulled, it will roast. literally.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.04444887 = 0.889 BTC [-] {2}
Diablo-D3: whats going to be funny is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. adobe brick. quite pleasant.
Diablo-D3: when the grid is eventually dissassembled in az
mod6: we're being nicked and dimed here for everything in the us. and im sure people see this as just another brick in the wall.
Diablo-D3: oh wait
Diablo-D3: its 70 cents per kw installed
Diablo-D3: not kwh
asciilifeform: see, when you boil frogs, trick is to use a nice temperature-controlled hob, and not a chinese unit with 'low/high/incinerate' settings on the dial.
asciilifeform: people notice the jumps.
mircea_popescu: arizona would probably end up in the future as a whole state's worth of solar farms + datacenters here and there.
mod6: let alone, that arizona has like horrid power company polices and rules. there are a lot of drifters who come through there, so it makes it actually hard to get power if you don't have good credit.
mod6: they literally won't give you an account.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu fails at datacenter engineering again
asciilifeform: datacenters belong in... alaska.
mircea_popescu: mod6 they can do that ?
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
Diablo-D3: mod6: I wouldnt want an account
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no because they'd fuck it up.
Diablo-D3: mod6: unless I was planning on selling to them
Diablo-D3: mod6: and if they refused me an account I would just sue them
mod6: so they give you this meter thing that plugs into the wall, and from there you have to load dollars onto a simcard in an ATM and then put that into the meter.
mircea_popescu: hot shit belongs where it's hot already.
mod6: then that ticks down until you run out and have to refill it
mircea_popescu: mod6 hahaha kickass. cabpower.
Diablo-D3: mod6: honestly, thats how it should work everywhere
Diablo-D3: mod6: electric companies are not banks
mod6: its such a pain the the royal ass though.
Diablo-D3: why are they loaning people money
mod6: they only have these ATMs at certain locations.
mircea_popescu: well no, the deadbeat is a pain in the ass
Diablo-D3: same with telephone, internet, and cable companies
mircea_popescu: company has to cut power every month
mircea_popescu: i knew people like that.
Diablo-D3: mod6: well yes, they do that wrong
mod6: so you have to go out of your way to load the f'ing card to turn your lights on.
asciilifeform: in the u.s., every service that lets you 'eat' even a little before mailing a bill, is thought of as 'credit'
asciilifeform: e.g. phone service
Diablo-D3: it should just have a standard magstripe
mod6: the whole system down there is obnoxious
Diablo-D3: so you buy standardized gift cards for it
mircea_popescu: well it is technically credit
asciilifeform: there are even special phone companies for people judged unfit for credit
asciilifeform: where they pay $1 a minute
mircea_popescu: anyway, i have trouble seeing this bloomberg article as anything other than "we're nice, give us free shit"
mod6: seriously, it sucks a major dong down there if you have poor or no credit. its like financial apartheid
mircea_popescu: mod6 just you wait until bitcoin comes into its own
mircea_popescu: it's already a case of no wot, fu, you're not human.
mircea_popescu: it will only get more stringent.
mod6: yah, its gonna be a whole different ball game for people. i have no idea what they're gonna do.
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: thats not true
asciilifeform: anybody seen the crackpot musical 'urinetown' ?
asciilifeform: 'it's a Privilege to pee!'
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: I can get pay as you go plans effectively cheaper than "real" phones
mircea_popescu: mod6 i imagine learn to bdsm and find masters.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope lol
Diablo-D3: but whatever
Diablo-D3: credit is a scam
Diablo-D3: everyone should strive for a low credit score
mod6: yeah, blowjobs might be the first order of business.
Diablo-D3: break the system
mircea_popescu: mod6 the adsites for such weirdos are already awash in women that identify as "slaves" and will "do anything" but are looking for a monogamous, husbandy relationship.
mod6: haha.
mod6: sounds par.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's been moving that way for a decade or two already. not everyone is going to sit and whine with horseface-whatshername that men are "impossible to find"
Diablo-D3: wait
Diablo-D3: where do I get these women who are slaves and will do anything
mircea_popescu: some will get down to business and explore what "anything" means in that "do anything" bit.
Diablo-D3: because I want someone to clean my house
mircea_popescu: probably goes the same way on the other half of the town too.
mircea_popescu: certainly gay porn sets are innundated with gay for pay actors shooting stuff in their cocks to get erections.
Diablo-D3: dude
Diablo-D3: someone ban mircea_popescu please
mod6: (20:46) < mircea_popescu> well no, the deadbeat is a pain in the ass << this is true. they have a lot of drifters in az who come in and setup power and other utils and then flee before they have to pay.
mircea_popescu: i guess by now about half gay pron scenes are shot 100% by actors who aren't gay.
mod6: thats how this system got to where it is now.
mircea_popescu: myeah. i bet.
mod6: but, *shrug*. its certainly a royal pita if you're on the shit end of the stick.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the moral is, "don't be on the shit end of the stick"
mod6: i had a neighbor when i first moved out there that had 2 kids in his apt and no power like 70% of the time. his apt was like well over 120 deg. F. during the day.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah. certainly.
mircea_popescu: moar liek azn, less liek swpl
mircea_popescu: that sounds brutal.
mod6: it does amaze me that they (power companies) don't encourage more private homes to go solar so they can push back to an already strained grid.
asciilifeform: the inescapable conclusions is that Az is: insufficiently hostile to the drifters...
asciilifeform: if they're still there.
mod6: there used to be terrible rolling brownouts out west all the time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform drifters are the anal child, basically.
mircea_popescu: takes a point of pride out of resisting beatings.
mod6: the heat knocks out the power lots in the summer. I guess thats a function of cooling... but getting it back on line is hard as it gets overloaded on the draw. you'd think that having more people on solar would reduce the over all load.
mod6: haha, but then again, wth do i know?
mircea_popescu: mod6 it also reduces income.
mircea_popescu: anything else can be borne, but less income is bad for any corp.
mod6: yeah, but why charge the solar people? if anything, i'd think they'd charge non-solar customers more.
mircea_popescu: that's why economic growth has been by now baked into the system at statal level. it's actually bad for corps when income dwindles because it exposes fixed costs
mircea_popescu: mod6 probably the idea is that they're the troublemakers and so they should pay.
mod6: yeah, i have to believe thats part of the deal. they're seen as "sticking it to the man"... but really its probably a good thing over all. and creates independant households.
asciilifeform: whatever happened to the calculation where photovoltaics turn out to be... joule-negative
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