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mike_c: hehe. chrome hates eulora
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mike_c: it could be dangerous!
Vexual: the best thing about monkey magic, even with his irrepressable nature, is that he still respecteded the spoilt rich kid who sat in the shade smoking hash
Vexual: i mean buddha not jesus or mohammad, i dont think monkey had heard of those guys when the story was written
Vexual: monkey magic was straight pimpin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9153 @ 0.00082331 = 7.5358 BTC [-]
Ademan: I'm surprised, I might have actually gotten asicminer at the bottom
Ademan: unless it has more to fall hehe
Vexual: i think it started lower
Vexual: did you buy at the price burside listed for?
Vexual: hotoiledpussy should start thinging about making smartphones
Ademan: Hrm? I just bought ~0.6BTC/share
Vexual: nerdalicious ggoglefucking linuxfones
Vexual: with 802.11s and other genius stuff built in
Vexual: if you want to spend a months fucking around with usb sticks, makes some with writable cids, you'll sell more
mircea_popescu: mike_c prolly the latter.
Vexual: no standards adhered-to just like mp and al
mircea_popescu: github is a standard now ?
mircea_popescu: Ademan originally it was 0.1 if memory serves.
asciilifeform: yah, a standard, like EBCDIC.
Vexual: random numbers from the camera
mircea_popescu: coder ppl can use whatever social media platforms they feel like.
Ademan: mircea_popescu: ah, dang, wish I was around for IPO then... but still, this is the lowest it's been in some time
mircea_popescu: true. on the oither hand diff is also highest it was in some time, and their network share is lowest in history iirc.
Vexual: shows some intelligence sitting on the funds
Vexual: has hotoiledpussy spent much yet?
Ademan: mircea_popescu: yeah, I bought with the expectation that I could very easily be out the money
Vexual: ademan, if it hits 5, sell the lot
Ademan: We'll see what the future has in store, I kind of doubt it'll get that high again
Vexual: theres half a chance hell mint the best sha chip
Vexual: or diversify in a profitable direction?!?!!
Ademan: Well my gamble is that fried has some exciting new hardware in the works, but we'll see
Vexual: that mining bug is a motherfucker
Vexual: he could easily spend the lot chasing the past
mircea_popescu: you never know.
Vexual: would nsa ever sell out to an american defense contract?
Vexual: or some other govt?
Vexual: we know you like money?
Vexual: mircea_popescu?
Vexual: its ok i already know the answer
Vexual: you would take 1 million to put a socketed backdoor chip on your stick
Vexual: then the user can pop it off and keep going
Vexual: with a howto on trilema as soon as the check clears
mircea_popescu: well, nsa can in principle be bought out, like any bitcoin company.
mircea_popescu: proceeds would be distributed to shareholders.
mircea_popescu: that aside, it's not exactly part of the business model or good for business to serve the interests of third parties. nsa works for its customers.
Vexual: yes, that is a truer thruth
Vexual: the nsa would gain little from buying nsa
Vexual: i wonder if they would prefer dividends or stop sales?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64245 = 1.2849 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: dividends would afford more astroglide for friday drinks
Vexual: its only torture if its happening to someone else
Vexual: how dare mr snowden steal their data
Ademan: astroglide for friday drinks? what the hell do you drink?! heh
Vexual: i watch saturday night live
Vexual: last week had an interesting piece on how obama is disallowed from being a free thinking individual
Vexual: ironic in contrast with clinton repealing cryptography laws and smoking cigars like a pimp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00269998 = 0.108 BTC [+]
Vexual: id bitbet theyll joke about the tsa agent getting shot at lax, those writers dont give a fuck
Vexual: this saturday
Vexual: if only bitbet was a bit more bubblegum :)
ozbot: monkey magic intro - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.00109999 = 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00594323 = 0.1783 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4747 @ 0.00082331 = 3.9083 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00599988 = 0.336 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6449 = 3.2245 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 460 @ 0.00599966 = 2.7598 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66999592 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00609631 = 0.2073 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5670 @ 0.00082593 = 4.683 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00252504 = 1.2625 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00250407 = 0.2504 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66999592 = 1.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00083011 = 8.3426 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00615942 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00615943 = 0.1663 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 248 @ 0.00618986 = 1.5351 BTC [+] {5}
benkay: i would very much like a cardano into which i can put my own keys. and also to sleep with all of your sisters.
benkay: mostly just the good-looking ones.
ozbot: Nancy Sinatra Bang Bang - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13180 @ 0.00083011 = 10.9408 BTC [+]
ozbot: Tank Girl-That's not in the plan. - YouTube
ozbot: Gorillaz - DARE - YouTube
Vexual: yo pimp, how was the ratraces smidge?
Vexual: now that you've slept on it
Vexual: must need coffee and a fried jam bun
Vexual: but the fat spliff comes first in deutsche
ozbot: Seeed - Augenbling (official Video) - YouTube
Vexual: wake up smidge
Vexual: even india does 24/7
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082769 = 6.7043 BTC [-]
ozbot: Jungle Brothers "Because I Got It Like That" (album version) 1989 - YouTube
Vexual: p2p
ozbot: Willie Nelson and Shania Twain, Blue eyes crying in the rain - YouTube
Vexual: i hope kakos asleep or a counrty fan
ozbot: Willie Nelson - Maria (Shut Up And Kiss Me) - YouTube
ozbot: Evie Part 1 - YouTube
Vexual: extremely cautious on fiat exposed assets
ozbot: AC/DC - It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'n' Roll) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36489994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36489995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 274 @ 0.00633998 = 1.7372 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0063499 = 0.2667 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00665 = 0.9975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 431 @ 0.00109999 = 0.4741 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0066 = 0.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1630 @ 0.00269998 = 4.401 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00665 = 0.1995 BTC [+]
zacm: there was a shooting at a california airport? what a sick loser coward.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 280 @ 0.0025001 = 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
ozbot: Snoop Dogg - 10 L.A.X. - Blue Carpet Treatment - YouTube
ozbot: Tha Dogg Pound & Snoop Dogg - "L.A. Here's 2 U" (Music Video) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00665 = 0.1796 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0067 = 0.335 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00082285 = 8.6399 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0608 = 0.1216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 16 @ 0.0609 = 0.9744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14798 @ 0.00082526 = 12.2122 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0067 = 0.2345 BTC [+]
ASIVI_: Guys, currently the main issue I'm having with BTC company stocks is that the stock market is unregulated, therefore very risky. How do you ensure you won't be just ripped off? How do you deal with this?
jurov: ASIVI_: you can get ripped with any stocks, not just btc ones
jurov: mircea_popescu: pm
mircea_popescu: ASIVI_ you lurk moar.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00082702 = 5.9959 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1273 @ 0.00109999 = 1.4003 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;gpg ident jurov
gribble: Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is identified as user jurov, with GPG key id 677ABD62D0AEE7D7, key fingerprint BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002295 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.701 BTC [+]
jurov: so, assholes at inputs.io felt compelled to invent their own bitcoin signature format...
jurov: oh, and helpful option "Format message" checked by default...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.06 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 0.06067888 = 0.5461 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.692 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
kakobrekla: lol jurov
pankkake: well they have to find a way to prevent you from signing bitcoin transactions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00109999 = 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.36489999 = 0.7298 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.0065 = 0.741 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: those linocuts are fucking SICK
nubbins`: so much effort
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00678998 = 0.3259 BTC [+]
ozbot: Slovenija / Slovenia
nubbins`: Dear Sirs and Madams,
nubbins`: this sentence starts with a lower-case letter.
kakobrekla: meh i have read it now
kakobrekla: some bullshit
nubbins`: kinda loses steam near the end
nubbins`: "Please investigate this issue"
nubbins`: anyway, cooking with cast iron, amirite?
nubbins`: fuck teflon
kakobrekla: dunno, women do that for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00269997 = 0.1026 BTC [+]
nubbins`: you're one of those
nubbins`: do women wipe your bum after you poo? :(
kakobrekla: one of which
kakobrekla: a noble men like me dont poo
nubbins`: well no wonder you get others to cook for you
kakobrekla: but in all seriousness
kakobrekla: i wipe my own ass!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.06122199 = 0.1224 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its just not practical
kakobrekla: to have someone else do it for you
kakobrekla: else i might do it
nubbins`: there's a certain vulnerability involved in getting someone else to wipe your ass
kakobrekla: never trust an asswiper you cant throw outta window
nubbins`: right?
nubbins`: worse than american airport
nubbins`: anything could happen!
kakobrekla: hey, some might even enjoy it
nubbins`: anyway. the trick to good hash browns is to first microwave the diced potato
nubbins`: then you put the potato in the cast iron pan once the oil begins to smoke
kakobrekla: ;;google hash browns
gribble: Crispy Hash Browns Recipe | Simply Recipes: <http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/crispy_hash_browns/>; Hash browns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_browns>; Man Hash Browns Recipe : Alton Brown : Recipes : Food Network: <http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/man-hash-browns-recipe/>
kakobrekla: i still dont undestand, what am i looking at
kakobrekla: i like potato so keep talking
nubbins`: just diced potato, fried in oil
nubbins`: 1 sec
kakobrekla: cause the only brown hash i know is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashish
kakobrekla: unelss that some new crypto coin algorithm
nubbins`: well, that type smells a lot better
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: so once those are done, i cook eggs and toast some delicious Montreal-style bagels
nubbins`: breakfast of champions
kakobrekla: ok so fried potato?
kakobrekla: why dont you call it chips then or fries
nubbins`: "hash" is any food consisting of coarsely-chopped ingredients, mixed together
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 36 @ 0.00749999 = 0.27 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: aha so you have to be sloppy when chopping to get hash
kakobrekla: got it.
nubbins`: so hahs browns are browned potatoes that you'd add to a hash
nubbins`: cabbage hash is popular with old folks here
kakobrekla: man this potatio hole is deeper than i though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 665 @ 0.00109999 = 0.7315 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ok i think i understand.
b0n1: what prevents doog from taking the coins of jd and run?
kakobrekla: nothing
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 6740 BTC profit, 61.5k BTC invested, 221.94 mio bets, 4.32 mio BTC wagered
b0n1: did he gave any security btc deposit to someone ?
kakobrekla: 60k to john k!
b0n1: is he known by his name?
b0n1: doog
b0n1: fuck, why are people investing so much then?
nubbins`: the same john k who's missing?
kakobrekla: cause bitcointalk.
b0n1: kakobrekla, what do you mean? only because he is a trusted member?
kakobrekla: well, you gotta realize that he has a billion penny investors
kakobrekla: and 2 or 3 big fishes
kakobrekla: there are stats done
kakobrekla: on this matter.
b0n1: billion penny investors?
kakobrekla: which word is confusing you
b0n1: you mean there are only small investors on jd ?
kakobrekla: the biggest density is at 0.8 btc iirc
b0n1: is there a chart?
ozbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 14.6 Size matters: Investor bitcoin distribution at Just-Dice.com
MTBmanTT: gm all
b0n1: thx kakobrekla
kakobrekla: is what i do.
b0n1: i think the threat is maybe not doog running, but someone just taking over the site
b0n1: hackers or fbi
b0n1: kakobrekla, how much are you in?
kakobrekla: in jd? 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6754 @ 0.00082702 = 5.5857 BTC [+]
b0n1: i remember you did once, right?
kakobrekla: not rly
kakobrekla: i did try it out for a day
kakobrekla: thats about it
ozbot: [Bitfunder]&[WeExchange] WARNING The Fall of Ukyo!
kakobrekla: srs doenst one ask himself
kakobrekla: is this really worth it
ozbot: Bitcoin-Central, first exchange licensed to operate with a bank. This is HUGE
b0n1: is there actually any trustworthy ripple gateway owner?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00082769 = 1.5726 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: good job davout, unlike those bitstamp retards
kakobrekla: fuckin i hate their bones.
MTBmanTT: wow nice!
MTBmanTT: that is great news
b0n1: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <davout> :D
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: breakfast of champions
nubbins`: and/or fatsos
KRS1: Mmm
nubbins`: beauty of cast iron being that i turned off the stove when i removed the hash browns from the skillet
nubbins`: and cooked the eggs on the residual heat
nubbins`: cleanup is as easy as scrubbing some coarse salt around the pan with a paper towel
nubbins`: i first got into cast iron after learning that the guy who owns javaranch.com is a huge fan: http://www.richsoil.com/cast-iron.jsp
kakobrekla: why the salt
zacm: well i hope you take it one step further and use mining heat to cook your next egg
nubbins`: kako, as an abrasive
nubbins`: removes any stuck-on bits of food
kakobrekla: aha i guess that makes sense
nubbins`: yeah, the idea is that you should avoid letting water (and especially soapy water) touch your cast iron
nubbins`: because it can remove layers of seasoning
kakobrekla: form your link
kakobrekla: 7) avoid soap!
kakobrekla: There is a myth about how you should never use soap on cast iron. Details on that below. The reality is that you can use soap on cast iron, but it is better if you didn't.
nubbins`: seasoning is crucial to keeping your pan's non-stick properties
nubbins`: for example, when my eggs were finished cooking, i just tilted the pan and they slid right off onto my plate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0065 = 0.5915 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.72287498 = 5.783 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.73666663 = 11.05 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.735 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.73866666 = 4.432 BTC [+] {2}
skinnkavaj: so pankkake
skinnkavaj: You know neobee?
skinnkavaj: (15:15:57) (skinnkavaj) Will you use Litecoin as a hedge against a falling Bitcoin in the future?
skinnkavaj: (15:18:15) (cryptocyprus) It is always a possibility, litecoin is the only alt I have ever bought and sold, if/when Gox integrates litecoin then there will be more liquidity to make it a more suitable hedge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 588 @ 0.00109999 = 0.6468 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 275 @ 0.0011 = 0.3025 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 18 @ 0.00749999 = 0.135 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.36489999 = 0.7298 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: oh so some dude on the internet bought AND SOLD ltc, must be the shits!
skinnkavaj: kakobrekla: Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about
kakobrekla: clearly.
skinnkavaj: Neobee is probably the biggest thing to happen to Bitcoin in a while
kakobrekla: prolly cause of the oracle
skinnkavaj: kakobrekla: Try read here and then stfu
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
kakobrekla: try lurk moar and stfu now
skinnkavaj: kakobrekla: You are in this channel and you have never heard of Neobee. Lol
kakobrekla: thats what you think
skinnkavaj: Please don't open your mouth again.
kakobrekla: too funny
skinnkavaj: Ask ThickAsThieves what he think about Neobee
pankkake: why would he ask a thief?
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Are you mocking his name or has he ever stolen?
pankkake: he stole my heart
skinnkavaj: So LTC/USD up 30% in a week
kakobrekla: negative fucks given.
skinnkavaj: kakobrekla: Please no one gives a fuck what you think anymore
kakobrekla: and everyone wants to hear your opinion
skinnkavaj: I get asked a lot.
kakobrekla: which dimension are we in today?
kakobrekla: skinnkavaj i havent seen a single person asking you for anything
kakobrekla: mosty its "get lost newb" from what i saw
kakobrekla: feel free to point to the line on the log where that what you are saying happend happens...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.719 = 1.438 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3769996 = 0.754 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.37699986 = 5.655 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.377 = 2.639 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: b0n1, since you started it, is TFs real name known also?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.74023999 = 18.506 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.77274999 = 3.091 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00678968 = 0.2308 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 480 @ 0.00683114 = 3.2789 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0070033 = 0.2101 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00082721 = 9.4302 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.82 = 1.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00706451 = 0.438 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.0071 = 0.7952 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.80000013 = 14.4 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00722 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.80000002 = 2.4 BTC [-]
nubbins`: <skinnkavaj> (15:18:15) (cryptocyprus) It is always a possibility, litecoin is the only alt I have ever bought and sold, if/when Gox integrates litecoin then there will be more liquidity to make it a more suitable hedge
nubbins`: ^ guy takes this to mean "yeah LTC is totally legit, you've been right this whole time!"
nubbins`: failing to realize that "it is always a possibility" is just a polite way of saying no
pankkake: litecoiners love to ask everyone to support litecoin it seems
nubbins`: it is always a possibility that i will head down to my basement, grab a claw hammer, and smash my dick with it
nubbins`: doesn't mean my wife should put 911 on speed-dial
pankkake: you'll need dick surgery
nubbins`: i'm having dick surgery later this evening, actually
deadweasel: she's not supposed to use her teeth...
nubbins`: that whole exchange between skinnsjfakdjfj and kako earlier was pretty lelly
deadweasel: yup. skinny so sensitive.
deadweasel: think skin
deadweasel: thin*
deadweasel: definitly not THINK skin
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I can't wait till skinnkavaj skins his dick and wears it like a sock for LTC
nubbins`: <kakobrekla> and everyone wants to hear your opinion <skinnkavaj> I get asked a lot.
nubbins`: my sides, etc
deadweasel: 'people ALWAYS be askin' my opinion bro! I'm like the bitcoin oracle...'
deadweasel: 'You don't know neobee!!!?? Fooooooool! You so dumb!'
deadweasel: my god, it was funny
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.06122199 = 0.3061 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.705 = 1.41 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00269997 = 0.3861 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1253 @ 0.00269998 = 3.3831 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1098 @ 0.00269998 = 2.9646 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 205 @ 0.00269999 = 0.5535 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.86874999 = 3.475 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.0027 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ^ skinnkavaj buying shares
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00082721 = 11.7464 BTC [-]
pankkake: good for him
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 750 @ 0.00067411 = 0.5056 BTC [+] {6}
nubbins`: to the pluto
nubbins`: i wonder at what point leaving earth becomes a bad thing?
nubbins`: i mean, the moon alone is pretty goddamn far away
KRS1: nubbins: that sugery will be hard on you
nubbins`: i do tend to sweat a lot during dick surgery
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.86749999 = 3.47 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.37699999 = 0.754 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.06099999 = 0.122 BTC [-]
nubbins`: heh, "asicminer cube"
nubbins`: sweet
nubbins`: it only needs to feed like 200W of free electricity back into the grid in order to be profitable!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.00696666 = 0.1045 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1842 @ 0.00109999 = 2.0262 BTC [+]
ozbot: [Havelock] The Panama Fund, S.A. Acquires HavelockInvestments.com
nubbins`: "Can you imagine how the world would react if the US decided that another countries laws were incorrect and they have to comply?"
nubbins`: ....yes, i can imagine that
nubbins`: because it's happened countless times, and nobody ever gave a fuck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 46 @ 0.00749999 = 0.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 237 @ 0.00699054 = 1.6568 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 103 @ 0.00709097 = 0.7304 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.06099999 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}
Vp7771: anybody following the neobee announcements?
Vp7771: wasn't there supposed to be an announcement of a big customer besides mpesa?
Vp7771: oh just found the neobee chat, nvm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00082705 = 12.1576 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.007 = 0.336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00082769 = 2.7314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14871 @ 0.00082482 = 12.2659 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: twerk miley miley miley miley miley
deadweasel: is that your pig-call benkay ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00699999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.007 = 0.539 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.007 = 0.161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1988 @ 0.00082287 = 1.6359 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.0605 = 0.1815 BTC [+]
KRS1: heh
KRS1: jay-z..heh..i've seen local rap artists better than him.
KRS1: he has had a few really good hits other than that...meh.
KRS1: but that is just my opinion
benkay: "artists"
benkay: still just moving product.
benkay: i've yet to meet the artist who's a better capitalist than the jiggaman.
mircea_popescu: i thought rapper guys did it for the principle of the thing.
benkay: the artists always do
benkay: the capitalists never do
mircea_popescu: what about dali ?
benkay: what does that have to do with rap?
mircea_popescu: but you said artists/capitalists! was is strictly a rap phenomena ?
benkay: hey man i'm an american idiot
benkay: you can't expect me to have opinions about real art like dali
deadweasel: LSD is Dali.
mircea_popescu: lol. ok, the point here is that while it'd be hard to argue dali wasn't an artist, it's well established he was a capitalist whore
mircea_popescu: to a degree even people like andy warhol seem little babies.
benkay: my point is that rap isn't art. it's a product manufactured for americans.
mircea_popescu: so then no rappers are artists.
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
mod6: benkay: umm...
benkay: some may think they are, in the same way that some americans think they're ceo's when funded by idiots
mircea_popescu: but listen, is painting an art ?
deadweasel: they would probably describe themselves as businessmen.
deadweasel: slingin' and what not
mircea_popescu: or is it a product manufactured for dutch people cca 1700 ? or italians cca 1600 ?
jurov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6660162 asciilifeform you may want to promote phuctor (i would, but no account)
deadweasel: oh good, hacker news is back up.
pankkake: painting wasn't always art, it was mostly used because we didn't have cameras yet
mircea_popescu: so vacation pictures are art, but rap ain't ?
deadweasel: vacation pictures are torture.
benkay: can't have a reasonable conversation in black and white, mp.
benkay: everything exists on a spectrum.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.0027 = 0.1782 BTC [+]
benkay: mainstream american rap is product. there are rap artists. there are rap producers. there are humans in between.
benkay: some mainstream rap may even be art to some people
benkay: i find some of j's wordplay rather elegant, myself
mircea_popescu: benkay okay, but something has to be something or not be something at some point. otherwise we can't have a conversation at all, outside of ∀ = ∀
benkay: how about an analogue
mircea_popescu: not without an explicit mapping function of some sort.
benkay: is this art or design?
mircea_popescu: that's a dildo.
benkay: what is art? what design? what is product? what is art?
mircea_popescu: well, i guess i am writing an article now.
mircea_popescu: isn't life wondercool.
benkay: better you than me. i stopped writing about this highly subjective stuff back when i decided to stop convincing people of things.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 195 @ 0.3790815 = 73.9209 BTC [+] {11}
benkay: (it's an orange juicer, for those not in the know)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: only if by orange you mean peach.
benkay: put a big enough engine on a brick and *presto* i guess you have an orbital insertion vehicle too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00082233 = 1.3568 BTC [-]
nubbins`: lel @ art discussion
nubbins`: "real art"
nubbins`: "fake art"
ozbot: An Abstract Look at Art with Jonathan Meese - YouTube
nubbins`: ^ this guy is almost completely, perfectly fucked in the head, but i had a moment of epiphany while watching this interview
KRS1: can someone answer this question- why is the FTC and BTC pair on BTC-E so heavily traded? Big volume has been exchanging there for quite some time.
KRS1: both buying and selling
nubbins`: sorry, no idea
nubbins`: go watch that video
KRS1: ok
_mjoiii: If you watch him on mute it looks like a guy describing pooping in a bucket
_mjoiii: And if you read the subs he admits it
nubbins`: he's very earnest
nubbins`: this "art talks" series is great
nubbins`: this one here got me into silkscreening paper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GWdRIYLUQk
_mjoiii: Pretty sure I just had a flashback with that second one.
nubbins`: amazing art, very inspiring to me
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
_mjoiii: But how?!?
nubbins`: they're called Re:Surgo! these days
_mjoiii: Do people like this support themselves???
ozbot: Re:Surgo
nubbins`: _mjoiii: those two are world famous
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00704999 = 0.2467 BTC [-]
nubbins`: at one point marlboro asked them to design cigarette packs
nubbins`: they're in the museum of modern art
_mjoiii: 65 euro? What's that in real money? How much in bitcoin?
_mjoiii: They sell prints of their mistakes?
nubbins`: ~0.435 btc
nubbins`: there are no mistakes, watch the first video i posted ;p
nubbins`: although you'd be surprised to know how much $$ people spend on stacked test prints
_mjoiii: That dude makes me so jealous. To just trip out all day... But the toilet thing..
nubbins`: no need to be jealous, it's 100% within your grasp
nubbins`: hardest part is letting go
_mjoiii: So it made me wonder how he can afford to just buzz like that every day.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3064 @ 0.00082011 = 2.5128 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 138 @ 0.00079 = 0.109 BTC [+]
_mjoiii: Cause fuck, I can grow my hair.
nubbins`: you'd be surprised how little money you can get by on if you try
nubbins`: i walked away from a stable, high-paying programmer/analyst job this past february to print full-time
nubbins`: and i haven't even had to skip a meal yet
nubbins`: but to be fair that jonathan meese guy is also world famous
nubbins`: and likely very, very wealthy
nubbins`: of course, that probably took decades of hard work, self doubt, and eating from food banks
nubbins`: but ya know
nubbins`: you kinda have to commit if you want to make something
nubbins`: anyway! party time. seeya.
_mjoiii: Later man, some trippy shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 80000 @ 0.00012799 = 10.2392 BTC [-] {7}
KRS1: certainly not Jay-Z
KRS1: but thats my opinion =D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 323 @ 0.00714173 = 2.3068 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 131 @ 0.00728618 = 0.9545 BTC [+] {3}
KRS1: what did you program nubbins? IT can be hard to get back into if you are out for a while
kakobrekla: bash just been flushed, i nuked the current points stats cause some idiot decided to write a bot to fuck with that, so i changed the system a bit and well, truncated teh table.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.89383333 = 2.6815 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.898 = 6.286 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0074 = 0.2812 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so feel free to recast your points ktnxbai
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla make it so you can only vote through assbot,
mircea_popescu: and maybe only if registered nick.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.0068 = 1.1968 BTC [-]
benkay: what ams these point?
kakobrekla: thats a thought mp.
kakobrekla: maybe, if teh attacks dont stop
kakobrekla: benkay?
benkay: 'twasn't me.
benkay: -ass has a points/karma thing now?
kakobrekla: bash does have some points im experimenting with i guess
benkay: i am missing so much context
benkay: oh that thing
benkay: tee hee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00081676 = 5.9623 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00749448 = 1.4989 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00749998 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00749999 = 0.48 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1300 @ 0.00781599 = 10.1608 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.0079 = 0.6873 BTC [+]
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 267585 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 542 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 13 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 511493319.444 | Estimated Percent Change: 30.84054
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 14 @ 0.06122199 = 0.8571 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00769998 = 0.9702 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.00799983 = 0.744 BTC [+] {6}
jurov: mhm, satoshidice has hefty Terms&Conditions nao. Of course:" Persons located in or residents of the United States and the United States Territories (the “Prohibited Jurisdictions”) are not permitted make use of the Service."
jurov: i clicked "I disagree" and was let in :D
pankkake: they check as hard as porn sites who ask you if you are 18 I guess
skinnkavaj: So LTC up 10% only today.
wao-wiggen: lol:D
benkay: skinnkavaj: what do these percents imply?
pankkake: who cares. it was still better to sell earlier, which you should have done instead of getting all butthurt
skinnkavaj: pankkake: I am not daytrading
pankkake: and now you're all day wishful thinking
skinnkavaj: I hold my LTC longterm
pankkake: it's not about days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00819242 = 0.8192 BTC [+] {6}
pankkake: I have plenty of time to buy back if there ever is a reason. and here you're just bragging about daily little changes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3794 @ 0.00081891 = 3.1069 BTC [+] {2}
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Trust me you are gonna buy in when it's too high already
skinnkavaj: I am spending all my LTC
skinnkavaj: Sent a mail to bitcoinity.org
skinnkavaj: about doing an litecoinity version if I pay him
skinnkavaj: Also hiring developers for new blockchain.info server with goal of making it better + LTC support
benkay: amazing mail!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
skinnkavaj: I know
pankkake: well litecoin certainly needs decent websites and alternative clients
skinnkavaj: He replied he will think about it
benkay: what's your budget, skinnkavaj?
skinnkavaj: He was on holiday
pankkake: I mean it looks like there isn't even a web wallet
skinnkavaj: benkay: Why are you asking
benkay: always got my ears out for a new hustle
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Next friday I will launch a Litecoin service which will be kept secrete until it's live
pankkake: me too
benkay: i'll secrete something
benkay: your secretions are safe with -assets
skinnkavaj: The secret is not that I am launching a litecoin service
skinnkavaj: Everyone could guess
benkay: from the ceaseless litecoin hype frothing from your face?
benkay: naw.
skinnkavaj: Correct.
skinnkavaj: benkay: Show me what you have developed earlier
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Armory and Trezor is coming with LTC support
skinnkavaj: Looking forward to that
pankkake: source? especially for Armory which I follow closely
skinnkavaj: It's not like LTC is going away anytime soon. LTC is here to stay as long as BTC is here to stay. Then we might have another competing coin that take over in the future, but that will take a lot of time even if its better than BTC/LTC.
pankkake: come on, stop with the empty "here to say" and "not going away", this means nothing
pankkake: and copying every bitcoin service isn't enough - why use it if it has no clear advantage?
pankkake: this always fail on the "why"
benkay: haven't you heard, it has mining for the undercapitalized
skinnkavaj: pankkake: If you think LTC will be dead in one year you must be blind. I feel sorry for you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-]
pankkake: it's bitcoin for people who want to be early adopter or want to use their gaming pcs, which is bad enough. but even ignoring that, I don't see anything compelling
pankkake: "dead" is also an empty statement
benkay: and 1 year an arbitrary timeframe
benkay: all wrapped in a lovely strawman
pankkake: but perhaps you should look at the history of altcoins
pankkake: and feelings shouldn't have anything to do with that
skinnkavaj: pankkake: LTC is the first good copy cat of BTC. And like everyone know the first copycat always succeeds, while the others fail. Look at feathercoin, I don't see any future there.
skinnkavaj: It's important for the development to not become to corrupt, to have two strong open source currencies.
pankkake: I hope your ltc "investment" decision has better foundations than that "everyone know"
pankkake: …and you do not understand how Bitcoin works
pankkake: or open source for the matter
skinnkavaj: OH yes I do, but I still see it's possible to infiltrate and try to destroy innovation even when it's open sourced.
pankkake: open source is already a protection against developers being corrupt. you don't have to have a fork of every open source software to keep the developers in check. that would be insane
pankkake: it happens when needed
pankkake: but bitcoin is even harder to corrupt
benkay: but pankkake that doesn't prevent to corrupt innovate
pankkake: changes have to be approved by the majority of the p2p network and even harder, the network
pankkake: the miners*
kakobrekla: just the pool ops really
pankkake: pools can lose their miners
pankkake: is there an altcoin list by date of introduction?
kakobrekla: but miners are people and people are stupid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00276 = 0.138 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: pankkake: There was like 5-6 altcoins launched before LTC, but none of them were really good. One was premined, one was scrypt but not premined, LTC was the one that won. Now I am only waiting for the third coin, but that will take a lot of time to be decided.
kakobrekla: you know what, i think you should talk to ozbot some more.
pankkake: or pircea_momescu
jurov: ;;seen ozbot
gribble: ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <ozbot> Re:Surgo
skinnkavaj: Omg LTC/USD 2.6
skinnkavaj: When is this minibubble crashing
pankkake: there was a lot of hype about solidcoin IIRC. actually, it put me off bitcoin at that time. where is it now?
pankkake: I thought you were not daytrading
skinnkavaj: I am not
pankkake: why watch the price all the time?
kakobrekla: pankkake hes just a trolliar
jurov: pankkake iirc it was revealed as scam
skinnkavaj: Daytrading is a fool's game pankkake.
pankkake: I am not arguing for it, I am not weathly enough to make it worthwile anyway
skinnkavaj: But tbh sounds stupid to buy into LTC when it's already high pankkake, that sounds like a really stupid plan.
pankkake: that bot is an ass
benkay: .bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00755 = 0.151 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00755 = 0.5285 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.06099999 = 0.305 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> you know what, i think you should talk to ozbot some more. <<
pankkake: he stalking me :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.895 BTC [+]
KRS1: oh man thats nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00108501 = 1.085 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 213.00986, Best ask: 213.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00014, Last trade: 213.00986, 24 hour volume: 4358.73830996, 24 hour low: 211.02000, 24 hour high: 214.87996, 24 hour vwap: 213.03851
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00024444 = 0.2444 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: amusing that gox is still default for ticker
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18553 @ 0.00082617 = 15.3279 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: so this guy is the gatekeeper for all BIPs? Please send all BIP-related email to <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
mod6: which, actually, im suprised there isn't any comments yet. despite mp asking for commentary...
benkay: mod6: gotta re-read it three more times.
mod6: im on round two :]
mod6: read it for the first time about a week ago. now, re-reading after some thought.
mod6: im looking at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0010 further to see what it holds
mod6: does anyone know if TxDP "multi-signature transactions" have been implemented in bitcoind or whatever from bitcoin.org? | That page was last updated: This page was last modified on 18 January 2013, at 14:57.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.897 = 2.691 BTC [+]
mod6: gd i hate pdfs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.897 = 1.794 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00276056 = 0.1159 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.008 = 0.616 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 208 @ 0.00813745 = 1.6926 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.002779 = 0.2223 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00818995 = 1.0319 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00819 = 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00082847 = 3.8938 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00818799 = 0.1556 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.008188 = 0.1883 BTC [+]
mod6: you know whats bizzare? not having to translate trilema.com from ro to en
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: lol mod6
mircea_popescu: chtulhu now speaks your language
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00818 = 0.638 BTC [-]
mod6: haha :}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00082868 = 3.7705 BTC [+]
mod6: so as in the Lamport scheme: RNG produces 256 p & q respectively (512 hashes total), each 256 bits in size these combined are the privkey (p1->256+q1->256 )all of these together equal the privkey. and the pubkey is each of the 512 p's & q's hashed (256 bit) and concatenated together?
asciilifeform: mod6: trying to implement provable-share secret-splitting?
mod6: haha, i'd like to implement it. but i gotta make sure i have my head wrapped around it first :)
asciilifeform: there's probably a thousand ways to do it.
asciilifeform: tricky bit is: to avoid leaking key.
mod6: yeah, i like how simplistic it seems.
asciilifeform: normally in a secret-splitter, the individual shares are indistinguishable from noise.
asciilifeform: if your application doesn't need the provability part, use ordinary (e.g. Shamir's) secret-splitter.
asciilifeform: it (provably) 'does what's printed on the box.'
asciilifeform: (proof is an exercise for alert reader.)
mod6: ahh, as far as leaking key part: Obviously should you reuse the same key to sign a different message you’ll be leaking key bits and eventually your key can be brokenii. << noted.
asciilifeform: mod6: that's true of any signature algo that uses a nonce
asciilifeform: what i meant was something rather more subtle
asciilifeform: if the shares are distinguishable from noise, they contain information which pertains to the key. (obvious.) hence said information must be a 'one way' ticket.
asciilifeform: (must conjecture that trapdoors exist. naturally)
asciilifeform: so k of m shares gives you key, but k-1 should give you bupkis.
asciilifeform: simplest way i can think of is rsa with >2 private primes (lamport, or see MP's writeup)
mod6: thanks for your input asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: exercise for the (very) alert reader: come up with a scheme where you can prove the actual number of distinct shareholders, given their pubkeys (allowed to assume they aren't all sockpuppets)
asciilifeform: that is, for all pubkeys, for each - can prove that it is a share. and that no others exist.
mod6: does this matter in the case where the dealer is a shithead?
asciilifeform: well, dealer presumably has the key being split
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082339 = 12.5155 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: for extra points: 'byzantine' scheme, sans dealer.
asciilifeform: that is, players agree on what constitutes a 'go' signal, and arrive at a set of split secrets that can be added up to said signal, verifiably - without a dealer.
mod6: oh ok
mod6: hmm.
asciilifeform: see 'millionaire protocol' for hint.
mod6: damnit, you guys are smrt.
asciilifeform: mod6: not like i thought up any of this personally
mod6: still
mod6: anyway, i was very intetersted in the VPSS scheme even though i'm sort of deep into implementing cramer-shoup into libgcrypt.
mod6: thought i should dig into this article & related papers.
mod6: with any luck i'll get CS working within the libgcrypt framework then can mod gnupg to utilize it.
Ademan: Dang am I happy I bought asicminer last week, that paid off really quickly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.0081 = 0.8181 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.389898 BTC [+]
mod6: Each Lamport public key can only be used to sign one single message, which means many keys have to be published if many messages are to be signed. But a hash tree can be used on those public keys, publishing the top hash of the hash tree instead. This increases the size of the resulting signature, since parts of the hash tree have to be included in the signature, but it makes it possible to publish a single hash that then can be used to verify an
mod6: <3 crypto
mod6: sound familiar? haha
asciilifeform: 'all who don't understand btc, are doomed to reinvent it'
mod6: :]
mod6: are you still into urbit?
asciilifeform: me? never really was, aside from having solved the 'entrance exam'
asciilifeform: tried to talk some sense into the author back in '10
asciilifeform: that building on c/unix is a mistake
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asciilifeform: now he and the merry band are fighting memory leaks, inexplicable crashes, and other joys.
mod6: one of these guys has a hardon for implemeting xrp with it directly instead of btc, can't shake him.
asciilifeform: all entirely unnecessary, and crap i want no part of.
mod6: yeah, it basically works, until they change something then you have to re-pull all source and rebuild, etc.
asciilifeform: the idea of implementing something on urbit would be more interesting if the thing actually worked.
mod6: pretty shakey still
mod6: ya
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as an 'impedance mismatch.'
asciilifeform: a 'from scratch' OS on top of the world's 2nd biggest steaming turd is a bad thing, regardless of how close it can be brought to an approximation of working, through brute sweat.
asciilifeform: this kind of thing has to be done from silicon up.
mod6: haha do you mean unix to be the 2nd biggest steaming turd?
mod6: what do you like better? windows?
asciilifeform: the 1st biggest?
asciilifeform: i'd prefer something that isn't a turd.
mod6: do you prefer any specific unix flavor?
asciilifeform: linux, as 'necessary evil'
asciilifeform: but never as a foundation for anything claiming to be a 'redesign of computing'
mod6: what about freebsd or openbsd?
asciilifeform: used to run freebsd at home, at one time
Ademan: the hell is urbit?
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