Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-04-29 | 2013-05-01 → ↓
grubles: mircea is yes homo
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I will go to a mall, and promise 18 year olds louis vatton bags in exchange for me introducing them to mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: doesn't take a solution like MPEX to get da ladiez
grubles: they have malls in romania?
grubles: i figured romania was like a walmart parking lot
grubles: with the rich elite having RVs parked there for weeks
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.428 = 0.856 BTC [+]
joecool: not too big in nigeria
thestringpuller: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 minutes and 14 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-US#q=%22bitcoin%22
mircea_popescu: soon we'll cross obama.
KRS-1: he can go to hell
KRS-1: and he is a degenerate
KRS-1: thats all.
KRS-1: for now.
mjr___: ;;tell
gribble: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
mjr___: ;;tell mircea_popescu Palihapitiya talked disdainfully about an instant messaging app that allows you to send photos of everything from an apple orchard to your genitalia, and that the message disappears after a short period of time
gribble: Error: I haven't seen mircea_popescu, I'll let you do the telling.
mjr___: ;;say
gribble: (say <channel|nick> <text>) -- Sends <text> to <channel|nick>. Can only send to <nick> if supybot.plugins.Anonymous.allowPrivateTarget is True.
mjr___: ;;say mircea_popescu Palihapitiya talked disdainfully about an instant messaging app that allows you to send photos of everything from an apple orchard to your genitalia, and that the message disappears after a short period of time
gribble: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
mjr___: Palihapitiya talked disdainfully about an instant messaging app that allows you to send photos of everything from an apple orchard to your genitalia, and that the message disappears after a short period of time
joecool: ;;later tell mjr___ you're doing it wrong
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mjr___: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Palihapitiya talked disdainfully about an instant messaging app that allows you to send photos of everything from an apple orchard to your genitalia, and that the message disappears after a short period of time
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mjr___: yay, thanks joecool
joecool: also protip, more annoying /memoserv send mircea_popescu whatever you wanna say
joecool: that's a network service :P
mjr___: why is it more annoying?
joecool: because it works whether or not gribble sees you
mjr___: hahaha
mjr___: oh
mjr___: i like that silicon valley is getting sick of these stupid kids
mjr___: and saying "an app that sends pics that disappear after 5 seconds is stupid"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8391 @ 0.00076489 = 6.4182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5909 @ 0.00074626 = 4.4097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 997 @ 0.00343999 = 3.4297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1003 @ 0.00343999 = 3.4503 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.245 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 13 @ 0.0036 = 0.0468 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2595 = 2.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.36874 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.259 BTC [-]
bitexchanger: Who is selling what?
Technologov: hi dudes ! Any assets here?
Technologov: Any stock shares ?
dub: I herd yo momma slangin rock
bitexchanger: 139 people in a channel called assets and nobody is selling any assets?
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.1999 = 0.5997 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1dcn95/bitcoin_online_bank_idea/ << someone wants to play banker again?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Technologov: bank = exchange ? (we have Mt.Gox)
Technologov: bank = lender? This will fail, due to deflationary currency.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3962 @ 0.00076528 = 3.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2595 = 2.519 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 59.0473661 / 191.28391806 / 197.76214913 (639 shares, 153.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2411 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.231 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5066 @ 0.00076528 = 3.8769 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.428 = 0.856 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.422 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.42101 = 1.263 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.259 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.259 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2595 = 2.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00076208 = 6.2491 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4363 @ 0.00075723 = 3.3038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36541 @ 0.00074626 = 27.2691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00074215 = 8.2379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00073665 = 7.9927 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.00073199 = 2.57 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25435 @ 0.000725 = 18.4404 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22565 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22555 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25979 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.26 = 7.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2679 = 3.8037 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.268 = 2.536 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.285 = 3.855 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.287 = 2.574 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2875 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.29 = 2.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2945 = 2.589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.295 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.298 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.29998 = 23.3996 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.29998 = 10.3998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2334 @ 0.00073472 = 1.7148 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2689 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.269 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: fun fact of the day
kakobrekla: i have a position opened at btc.sx
kakobrekla: with negative balance
kakobrekla: yaaay!
deadweasel: interesting, how did you manage that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8998 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: not sure
truffles: how've you been deadweasel
deadweasel: good truf, how about yourself?
deadweasel: that's a good article the FED gold scandal. I'm pretty sure they found some tungsten bars plated with gold recently.
deadweasel: kakobrekla, if you like negative balances, try coinbase! :D
kakobrekla: i like anti-bitcoins
truffles: ive been well thanks
truffles: i have yet to master the driving manual
thestringpuller: kakobrekla and mircea_popescu are the same person
thestringpuller: dun dun duuuuun
truffles: <thestringpuller> kakobrekla and mircea_popescu are the same person>>> not possible
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.8998 = 3.7996 BTC [-]
KRS-1: No, mircea_popescu clearly has more class.
truffles: and more unstable
KRS-1: Plus he's secksy
truffles: too skinny
KRS-1: If I walked around town like he does with my shirt opened I'd probably get arrested.
KRS-1: He can actually pull that off.
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 233903 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10439563.7159 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.6052
ThickAsThieves: yay a milestone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4698 = 0.9396 BTC [+]
error4733: ;;next
gribble: targets: 150, 160-164 | resistance: 136, 140 | support: 120, 118-114, 106-103 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 28 2013, 00:29 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 days, 12 hours, 12 minutes, and 39 seconds ago
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 145.86000, Best ask: 145.88868, Bid-ask spread: 0.02868, Last trade: 145.88868, 24 hour volume: 52774.55145091, 24 hour low: 140.50000, 24 hour high: 149.08000, 24 hour vwap: 144.43289
error4733: !bids 101
error4733: ;;bids 101
gribble: There are currently 56503.831 bitcoins demanded at or over 101.0 USD, worth 6923090.22867 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0083 seconds
error4733: ;;asks 199
gribble: There are currently 69644.598 bitcoins offered at or under 199.0 USD, worth 11661420.0121 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.9826 seconds
KRS-1: when it says "support:" is that the lower-bound- that the price wont fall below
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5649 @ 0.00073215 = 4.1359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.0007432 = 0.6689 BTC [+]
KRS-1: and the opposite for "resistance"
gribble: targets: 150, 160-164 | resistance: 136, 140 | support: 120, 118-114, 106-103 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 28 2013, 00:29 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 days, 12 hours, 18 minutes, and 14 seconds ago
thestringpuller: KRS-1: yea, the bid depth
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 1397470.9135 USD and would take the last price down to 135.6076 USD, resulting in an average price of 139.7471 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 53.4642 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 10589892.1644 USD and would take the last price down to 70.6183 USD, resulting in an average price of 105.8989 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 64.6405 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 50000
gribble: A market order to sell 50000 bitcoins right now would net 6255951.3078 USD and would take the last price down to 106.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 125.1190 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 73.4654 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 30000
gribble: A market order to sell 30000 bitcoins right now would net 3948122.9843 USD and would take the last price down to 121.2623 USD, resulting in an average price of 131.6041 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 81.1408 seconds
thestringpuller: sorry for spam :(
KRS-1: thank you-
kakobrekla: !l m s.dice
assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.00343999 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 145.11000, Best ask: 145.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08999, Last trade: 145.11000, 24 hour volume: 47837.38617961, 24 hour low: 140.50000, 24 hour high: 149.08000, 24 hour vwap: 144.23882
error4733: mp gribble if you want ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.29999 = 7.7999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.321 = 0.642 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.321 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.321 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.321 = 0.642 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: zup ya pervz ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4951 @ 0.00074901 = 3.7083 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.8998 = 18.998 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25537321 = 1255.3732 BTC
ThickAsThieves: those are already break even
ThickAsThieves: someone made and sold to bot
ThickAsThieves: interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25521432 = 1255.2143 BTC [-]
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 142.17
ThickAsThieves: How does the bot handle options it buys? Does it ever excercise, or try to resell? If it excercises, does it wait for a certain % of profit?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 15 @ 0.0101 = 0.1515 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0142 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25457896 = 1254.579 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "I dont know if something like this has been talked about but im sure it has crossed peoples minds.
mircea_popescu: Why doesnt someone open an online bitcoin bank? It could have a nice online interface"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller totally. a nice interface.
mircea_popescu: it would be a website that's a bank and has a nice interface. whatcouldpossibly.pdf
ThickAsThieves: we could call it blockchain.info
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.15528424 = 155.2842 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: $avg ^oix
mircea_popescu: hm what was it
jborkl: or we could call it mpex
mircea_popescu: $price ^oix
ThickAsThieves: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 59.0473661 / 191.28391806 / 197.76214913 (639 shares, 153.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 142.03
mircea_popescu: jborkl no because interface.
jborkl: oh, I like the interface
jborkl: very simple
mircea_popescu: $vwap ^oix
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 191.28391806 high: 197.76214913 low: 59.0473661 volume: 639 btc: 153.26152721 30 day: no data
mircea_popescu: jborkl it's not nice! stop trolling da reddit folk! you're a jerk!
ThickAsThieves: How does the bot handle options it buys? Does it ever excercise, or try to resell? If it excercises, does it wait for a certain % of profit?
jborkl: I missed something here, lol
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25680427 = 1256.8043 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: my sarcasm :D
mircea_popescu: whoa nelly.
ThickAsThieves: thats the 4th sell
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?
mircea_popescu: hey, somebody
mircea_popescu: 's taking some serious positions.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the bot always tries to resell. that's why it always quotes both ends.
mircea_popescu: it sometimes exercises.
ThickAsThieves: so couldnt the bot just excercise these new puts and close this guys position
mircea_popescu: it could, yes.
mircea_popescu: ;;netstat
gribble: Error: "netstat" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: odd that he would sell those puts
ThickAsThieves: not odd that the bit would ex
jborkl: mostly put - this month put 320,s
ThickAsThieves: [09:52] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25537321 = 1255.3732 BTC
ThickAsThieves: [09:56] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25521432 = 1255.2143 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: [10:05] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25457896 = 1254.579 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: [10:11] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25680427 = 1256.8043 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: those are the max
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.1543468 = 154.3468 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: those are already in the money right?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 320 / 2.255
gribble: 141.906873614
ThickAsThieves: so why sell those puts to the bot
mircea_popescu: whoa look at this!
mircea_popescu: so sold puts short, their break even is ~142, so also sold calls short at 143
mircea_popescu: basically this is an insured long play.
mircea_popescu: $vwap O.USD.P320T
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.P320T 1 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076 7 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076 30 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076
mircea_popescu: $vwap O.USD.C143T
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.C143T 1 day: average: 0.15481552 high: 0.15528424 low: 0.1543468 volume: 2000 btc: 309.63104 7 day: average: 0.15481552 high: 0.15528424 low: 0.1543468 volume: 2000 btc: 309.63104 30 day: average: 0.18907858 high: 0.275176 low: 0.1543468 volume: 5375 btc: 1016.2973877
mircea_popescu: heh. i bet you there's two more sets of 143 on the pipe.
jborkl: this months 143c price is only .15?
ThickAsThieves: thats someone selling to bot
mircea_popescu: jborkl bid side.
jborkl: oh yeah, nm
mircea_popescu: so basically if price stays over 143 makes money on the puts, if goes a little under makes money on the calls to somewhat compensate.
ThickAsThieves: except that bot could close him before he does
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.15465646 = 154.6565 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: whiplash can be a serious problem for this position, so i guess it implicitly is a bet against whiplash
mircea_popescu: course... the bot could be closing him the other way too, ie, to protect itself. and since whiplash can go both ways
mircea_popescu: i suppose technically it's a bet that the bot closes correctly.
mircea_popescu: for an unspecified value of "correctly"
ThickAsThieves: i shoulda out bid the bot for the calls if i wanted some
mircea_popescu: the golden rule of mpex is "it always pays to have positions in the book"
mircea_popescu: as the veterans can tell you.
jcpham: derp
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 100 @ 0.15465646 = 15.4656 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: haha check out this one
jborkl: it it clear what the puts were opened for now
ThickAsThieves: thats a big dump
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 48 @ 0.152 = 7.296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 852 @ 0.14277256 = 121.6422 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 35000 @ 0.00100005 = 35.0018 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10 @ 0.001 = 0.01 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: well then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00099999 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00199994 = 0.2 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: SR is shut down
ThickAsThieves: somewhat temporarily
error4733: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 56.21932 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.112662887817 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
ThickAsThieves: apparently site is under attack
ThickAsThieves: and tor cant protect it without a change
error4733: every1 on BlackMarketreload :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.33479993 = 0.6696 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: selling all those puts doesnt fit with this big dump though, right?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 139.12000, Best ask: 140.75000, Bid-ask spread: 1.63000, Last trade: 140.75000, 24 hour volume: 44073.82016531, 24 hour low: 137.45000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 143.02747
mircea_popescu: heh. not rly.
jborkl: I think I have it figured out, and it is pretty damn smart. If not, I am going to do it
mircea_popescu: jborkl do what ?
jborkl: What I think they are doing ..
ThickAsThieves: [10:34] <jborkl> I think I have it figured out, and it is pretty damn smart. If not, I am going to do it <--- so if it's dumb you're gonna join in?
ThickAsThieves: lemme see
ThickAsThieves: the sell the puts
ThickAsThieves: buy calls
ThickAsThieves: dump the btc
mircea_popescu: nah cause sold both
ThickAsThieves: is the goal to stabilize the price?
ThickAsThieves: if selling both, he wants neother to be profitable for the buyer
ThickAsThieves: neither*
ThickAsThieves: is that a safe assumption?
mircea_popescu: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 233918 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10612270.0477 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.31919
mircea_popescu: nanotube ^ E7 :D
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i would imagine his thinking is that price is going up, so sold the puts, and in the case it goes a little under has the calls to pay him
ThickAsThieves: so the dump is coincidence?
mircea_popescu: well probably.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the puts/calls could be coincidence
mircea_popescu: ie, two diff people doing it at the same time
ThickAsThieves: too many coincidences in that case, imo
mircea_popescu: i think in the future bitcoin will make THE BEST detective/mystery stories
ThickAsThieves: not that superstition is the best financial strategy
ThickAsThieves: i'm just glad i got some affordable calls
ThickAsThieves: probly a sign that i'm the sucker in the room...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: $depth O.USD.C143T
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.C143T Bids: ['400 @ 0.155', '1000 @ 0.14212607', '1000 @ 0.14212607']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.30647073', '1000 @ 0.30647073']
mircea_popescu: i dunno, everyone seems to want them
ThickAsThieves: (fast fingers)
ThickAsThieves: what kind of collateral is need to write puts like that
ThickAsThieves: or is it done by peeps with credit accounts
mircea_popescu: thousands of btc and who knows, maybe.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.8601 = 18.601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00319322 = 1.1176 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i assume more btc was paid to the seller, than the amount he has up for collateral?
ThickAsThieves: my idea is that the moves dont have so much to do with price movement, as accumulating more total btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.274 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2701 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: okay, suppose the actor actually represents a great majority of the highest 5000btc of the bid book on Gox. Couldn't he sell those puts, dump 5000btc into mostly his own bids, driving price lower so he can now buy more btc at the new lower price? As long as he doesnt sell so low that he triggers the bot to excercise, he would be leveraging the btc to get more btc
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu how do you write so quickly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.000725 = 1.74 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: you write like a research paper worth of words a week
ThickAsThieves: this theory is obv half-baked, just thinking out loud
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: it's reasonable but the issue is the puts
ThickAsThieves: only if price drops too low
thestringpuller: yea but even then you can get whiplash like mircea indicated
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.4689 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: maybe that depends on how large of a manipulator the actor really is
ThickAsThieves: if they can deal in 5000btc of puts, odds are they are a pretty big deal
thestringpuller: i think you underestimate the sensitive of the market panicking during "moves"
ThickAsThieves: there are other holes in my theory though
thestringpuller: sensitivity*
ThickAsThieves: like why fluff the bid book in this case
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have a spare pair of hands
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i assume more btc was paid to the seller, than the amount he has up for collateral? << now what sense does this make !?
ThickAsThieves: none if i'm wrong
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so you have four arms to finger four girls simultaneously
mircea_popescu: but the collateral you post is ALWAYS going to be more than what you get selling.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller totally :D
mircea_popescu: but yes, i'm an intellectual. we write.
ThickAsThieves: but some actors have credit accounts no?
mircea_popescu: we read, we write, we process information. modern day mentats.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah.
thestringpuller: I try to write, but it's difficult to care.
ThickAsThieves: so in that case collateral is nil
mircea_popescu: well, if you withdraw from a margined account it goes to cover margin first.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.289 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.271 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: in the sense it's difficult to find the right words
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2701 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: dude I think we're gonna see a bear assembly soon
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 1351903.9426 USD and would take the last price down to 132.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 135.1904 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 22.9025 seconds
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> like why fluff the bid book in this case << what's that mean ?
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 20000
gribble: A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 2637090.8720 USD and would take the last price down to 125.1100 USD, resulting in an average price of 131.8545 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.7641 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 30000
gribble: A market order to sell 30000 bitcoins right now would net 3865234.4410 USD and would take the last price down to 121.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 128.8411 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 44.3863 seconds
ThickAsThieves: dont worry, your answers make my theory totally wrong
mircea_popescu: just... epic.
mircea_popescu: also thestringpuller, you can finger two girls with one hand
ThickAsThieves: fingerbangonomics
thestringpuller: I've tried too hard.
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 59.0473661 / 191.28391806 / 197.76214913 (639 shares, 153.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 24 @ 0.000679 = 0.0163 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 8 @ 0.0051 = 0.0408 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i find it incredible how much time this person has.
ThickAsThieves: i gave up following the whole usagi thing
ThickAsThieves: anything that takes that much explaining can't be good
mircea_popescu: absolutely.
jborkl: all that for 100 oz of silver? so 16 btc market cap :/
truffles: <ThickAsThieves> anything that takes that much explaining can't be good>>>> u dont like bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: people somehow miss on this. options trade on mpex today ? 10k btc or w/e
mircea_popescu: usagi silve fund total nominal value ? 16 btc.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10000/16
gribble: 625
mircea_popescu: takes 625 usagis a day.
jcpham: listen to some music and forget about bitcoin
jcpham: especially the third one
mircea_popescu: there's three bitcoins ?
ThickAsThieves: truffles, no one had to justify bitocin to me
jcpham: yes only three bitcoins left
jcpham: act now. limite supplies.
truffles: oh its just that you said the difficult of the thing is why youre turned off to it
ThickAsThieves: not what i said
ThickAsThieves: also, context
jcpham: that's a lot of usagis
ThickAsThieves: english is not my first language
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?!
jborkl: numa numa was just on the radio
jborkl: requested for mp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.8601 = 7.4404 BTC [-]
truffles: ThickAsThieves sorry, i meant to say i interpreted it that way
ThickAsThieves: no worries, i know i can be a little loose with my words
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7149 @ 0.000725 = 5.183 BTC [-]
jborkl: I just went to BTCjam , never go there
jborkl: filter by otc - no listings
Girlfawkesy: what about the gox listings?
Girlfawkesy: not that I think this is a good idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 5 @ 0.30452304 = 1.5226 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24061 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2406 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.231021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.23102 = 6.1551 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.23091 = 3.6927 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.2254 = 9.8032 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.225325 = 2.4507 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22523 = 2.4505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.217 = 2.434 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.216957 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.216957 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24001 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P143T] 2 @ 0.49662084 = 0.9932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 15000 @ 0.00100005 = 15.0008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00199994 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 27s Litecoin followed you 49s Devcoin followed you 1m Namecoin followed you 1m
mircea_popescu: PPCoins followed you 1m Bitcoin followed you
Girlfawkesy: you forgot about feathercoins, the latest craze
mircea_popescu: well they forgot about me
mircea_popescu: i just got massfollowed by all the coinz
Girlfawkesy: too many coins, its a problem
jcpham: matonis linked this forbes article full of DPR quotes
jcpham: i've been readinf or some time now
jcpham: there's a lot. he reads half adult/half child
jcpham: like peter pan
mircea_popescu: i saw some this morn in my digest
mircea_popescu: wasn't too impressed.
jcpham: i'm not going to be surprised to find out SR is run by a kid
jcpham: if/when that day comes
mircea_popescu: like 16 ? yeah.
Framedragger: well, SR used to run a mysqld with debugging mode enabled, so each time there was a DB error (and there were quite a few), users would get a specimen of the system's internals.
Framedragger: the internals seemed like a default LAMP stack to me. but afaik this has changed. well if they're a kid, they are surely learning to scale their infrastructure/business etc. :)
benkay: death is a downside cost of war? i thought it was a cheap way to get rid of excessively violent youths...
benkay: heh.
benkay: @ lamp stack
Framedragger: but yeah, the agorist sentiments are at a relatively naive level if i may say so. but hey.. :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.1602 = 0.6408 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.1601 = 0.8005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.16 = 0.48 BTC [-]
Framedragger: yeah, i'm quite sure that at least it used to be apache + mysql + php, probably with default configs on a default ubuntu or sth. :)
benkay: how many times has sr been hacked?
Framedragger: i only recall one (really) major security breach, pwd / pwd hashes stolen etc. it was a long time ago, probably in its LAMP infancy days
Framedragger: they hired folks to harden security / rewrite things
jcpham: looks more interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.000725 = 6.8513 BTC [-]
Framedragger: nice one
Framedragger: "The amount you risk should be twice the amount you're trading in order to keep the deal in Nash equilibrium."
Framedragger: coolcool, actually looks interesting / i get the idea
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.1991 = 1.3937 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he was here a fewe days ago discussing it.
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0d7b2025f98ee246e08189ba63da58a91aa92dc3142a56e80c32a778
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Girlfawkesy 1 my btc-e broker.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Girlfawkesy has been recorded.
jcpham: something about OVH and bitcoin site
jcpham: and brute forcing a password function
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell davout you seen http://pastebin.com/skGagP0X ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jcpham: looks pretty big
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31498 @ 0.000725 = 22.8361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00072153 = 8.9109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2137 @ 0.00072 = 1.5386 BTC [-]
error4733: haha mp i'm sur davout saw that :)
mircea_popescu: error4733 i think it's likely too, but you know, just in case.
mircea_popescu: if he didn't and nobody said anything cause sure he did... sucks to be him lol
topace: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00315598 / 0.0032441 / 0.00343999 (6603 shares, 21.42 BTC), 7D: 0.0023263 / 0.00295439 / 0.00349938 (39083 shares, 115.47 BTC), 30D: 0.0012 / 0.00311033 / 0.00439999 (940537 shares, 2,925.39 BTC)
topace: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.32000000 / 0.322025 / 0.33480000 (40 shares, 12.88099987 BTC), 7D: 0.27500001 / 0.30852573 / 0.33480000 (633 shares, 195.29678962 BTC), 30D: 0.12500000 / 0.31325339 / 0.44969999 (6343 shares, 1986.96624734 BTC)
jcpham: TL;DR: Here's what happened. When a password reset is submitted, the user receives a random URL by email containing a random 21 letter string. The algorithm used was bad, so the random string could be brut-forced.
jcpham: The OVH team researched 3 years of password changelogs and found 3 customers who had been brute-forced that way, all in the "bitcoin community"
jcpham: sorry i wanted to make sense of what i read
imsaguy: because the bitcoin community typically has the maturity of a 12 y/o
imsaguy: "Here, hold all of my precious"
mircea_popescu: no, because the btc community has more money than all the internet combined.
jcpham: these cloud hoster will continually be infiltrated
jcpham: *hosters
jcpham: most likely that isn't going away
imsaguy: anytime you put something in the cloud, you're risking it
jcpham: run a bitcoin based business on some rented platform -> get hacked
imsaguy: there's something to be said about physical security
jcpham: in this world, yes
imsaguy: the minute you give that up.. you'll be hosed
jcpham: for sure
imsaguy: its just a matter of time
mircea_popescu: We have been in contact with these clients but the quality of our exchanges did not allow us to get enough information that would help reveal an vulnerability on our side. Our developpers have in a completely independant way found the issue mentionned above, and only then have we realised that there was a link between our flaw and these 3 customers. We certainly have something to learn here about the best way to ensure
mircea_popescu: dialog with clients about this kind of issue.
mircea_popescu: this is some decent pr ovh has going.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1 = 0.9 BTC [-]
Framedragger: ovh is typically not really good with client communication (personal limited experience)
benkay: all that said, there's no guarantee that owning your own boxes gets you anything
mircea_popescu: more generally, there's no guarantee.
mircea_popescu: also on the long term we're all hosed
mircea_popescu: in the burial way.
benkay: so have some damn fun!
Framedragger: in the entropy way, too..
Framedragger: benkay: sure, unless you / or your hire really know(s) what you/they're doing. running bitcoind under multiple layers of virtualization/isolation (e.g. bsd jails + virtualbox + chroot) is a start
Framedragger: at the very least, that way you at least may attempt to evaluate your risks, possible attack vectors etc. not with cloud hosting / whatever - parts of the hosting infrastructure remain hidden from the client (or their implementations). which generally sucks when somebody discovers that times have changed and some of those hosted machines are now storing highly valuable assets
Framedragger: if you're going to run bitcoind on a $30 Kimsufi rented server with root password reset capabilities in your 'customer control panel', you're gonna have a hard time
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.25396 = 8.7777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4815 @ 0.00071954 = 3.4646 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00072491 = 1.921 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00072623 = 6.5615 BTC [+]
KRS-1: lol this is madness today compared to lately
benkay: what's the madness, KRS-1?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25398 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15531 @ 0.00072623 = 11.2791 BTC [+]
KRS-1: oh just saying how the buy/sell order volume is there but then pulled back and then there again
KRS-1: its been pretty quiet til today, a bit more movement..maybe madness was overdoing it a bit
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.88697, Best ask: 137.12099, Bid-ask spread: 0.23402, Last trade: 137.12100, 24 hour volume: 53204.21184346, 24 hour low: 136.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 141.41656
KRS-1: This is a pretty good song
KRS-1: Is that one dude in the background you?
KRS-1: lol
thestringpuller: what's causing the drop?
thestringpuller: I feel like the bondholders saw the puts that were sold to the bot and dropped the price...
thestringpuller: CONSPIRACY
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.254 = 6.27 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.31001, Best ask: 135.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08999, Last trade: 135.40000, 24 hour volume: 54369.04427953, 24 hour low: 135.48000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 141.29665
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.255 = 12.55 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: bondholders are bagholders in mirceas scam
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.259999 = 25.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.26985 = 2.5397 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: tiberiusiv: what do you even do in bitcoinland
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.27 = 8.89 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: i dont scam people like mircea does.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27195 = 2.5439 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: so doing nothing is better then that
thestringpuller: so you do nothing?
tiberiusiv: mircea is nothing but a big fraud
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27795 = 2.5559 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Can I invest in you?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2997 = 3.8991 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.29998 = 5.1999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.29999 = 3.9 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: tiberiusiv the man who criticizes without any credentials
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.3 = 11.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.3 = 39 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: intellectualism to the extreme!
tiberiusiv: ignored
thestringpuller: you must be the smartest person I know!
KRS-1: u mad tiberiusiv
KRS-1: y u mad brah
thestringpuller: ;;gribble tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!!
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
tiberiusiv: guy has like 2 btc
KRS-1: dun be mad brah
tiberiusiv: dont know why he bothers
thestringpuller: ;;tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!!
KRS-1: seriously...u mad?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29999 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: ;;tell mircea_popescu you are a fraud and a scammer
thestringpuller: ;;later tell tiberiusiv I have 75 btc now liquid. Soon I will have a few hundred as things grow.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell tiberiusiv You are a poop who has no rational statements to use because you'd rather be accusatory rather than contribute anything of value to society, like a greedy American addicted to the allure of wealth.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.30999 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: all my statements are perfectly rational
tiberiusiv: i told everyone in here mircea_popesc the SCUM
tiberiusiv: would have another large losing month
tiberiusiv: and he did.
tiberiusiv: mircea popescu will end up losing/stealing more bitcoins then pirate ever dreamt of
thestringpuller: he's not pokceting coins dude
tiberiusiv: he sells worthless shares.
tiberiusiv: even if hes not pocketing bondholder coins
thestringpuller: they pay out pretty much the same dividends every month...
tiberiusiv: his risk management is so bad that he will be out of funds
tiberiusiv: to continue MPOE
tiberiusiv: thestringpuller are you stupid?
thestringpuller: MPOE doesn't keep any cash on hand
tiberiusiv: MPOE has lost HUGE
tiberiusiv: in the last 60 days alone.
tiberiusiv: either mircea is faking losses to steal bondholders coins
thestringpuller: It lost bondholder money
tiberiusiv: or hes one dumb fuck
thestringpuller: not any money of it's own
mircea_popescu: betbtcnow.com ? never heard of it.
tiberiusiv: yea obviously. it has no money
tiberiusiv: why would scammer mircea risk his own money
thestringpuller: so your point is bondholders put up capital, .23~ loss per coin
tiberiusiv: MPOE has no "money of its own"
tiberiusiv: bond holders have lost over 50%
tiberiusiv: in the last 60 days alone
tiberiusiv: mircea fakes trades in order to stimulate bids for his shitty stock
tiberiusiv: as he owns 90%+ of the float
tiberiusiv: everytime he sells a piece of the float its free money to him
thestringpuller: proof of faking trades?
tiberiusiv: um theres no one in here trading them?
tiberiusiv: its like a handful of people.
thestringpuller: anonymous shareholders != scam
tiberiusiv: mircea is running a textbook boiler room
tiberiusiv: there arent any shareholders.
tiberiusiv: its just mircea
tiberiusiv: hence why he still controls over 90% of float
tiberiusiv: he needs to get bids in to sell into
tiberiusiv: hence why he has the options bs going.
tiberiusiv: to show activities.
tiberiusiv: but mircea has lost more in the last 60 days then his ventures have EVER made in profit
thestringpuller: dude you're making bs claims with no evidence
tiberiusiv: theres plenty of evidence.
thestringpuller: in terms of faking tarades
tiberiusiv: mircea is a fraudster
tiberiusiv: he fucked over people in here too
tiberiusiv: like bugpowder
tiberiusiv: by cancelling trades out
thestringpuller: Bugpowder is up 1500%
tiberiusiv: hes not up all the way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2884 @ 0.00072623 = 2.0944 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: theres many trades hes been cancelled out on.
tiberiusiv: mircea is an egomaniac fraudster that wont admit MPOE has been a huge failure
tiberiusiv: he honestly believes his options scam is actually influencing btc price.
thestringpuller: because it's not?
tiberiusiv: um losing 30,000 bitcoins in 60 days
tiberiusiv: is a failure to me.
tiberiusiv: he wont have enough bitcoins if losses continue
tiberiusiv: MPOE will shut down either way
thestringpuller: dude MPOE doesn't hold capital
tiberiusiv: unless hes lieing and just pocketing the coins
thestringpuller: so he won't run out of money
tiberiusiv: and rinse repeat
tiberiusiv: yes they do they hold bondholder capital.
tiberiusiv: thats what the bond gambles with.
tiberiusiv: yes he will unless he finds more suckers to give him bitcoins
thestringpuller: dude the bondholder list is huge
tiberiusiv: no it isnt.
tiberiusiv: why are you still tallking?
jcpham: apparently someone just sent 40 btc to SD in -otc and lost it
thestringpuller: because you're full of shit
jcpham: hurrr
tiberiusiv: mircea admits that over 90% of the bond portfolio is him
thestringpuller: it amuses me how accusatory you are
Framedragger: ouch re: 40btc
tiberiusiv: back on ignore the loser with 2 bitcoins who has no idea how anything works
tiberiusiv: if you had a clue you wouldnt be so broke
thestringpuller: i'm far from broke?
jcpham: tiberiusiv how can i make money
jcpham: fine ignore me
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.003625 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 99 @ 0.003625 = 0.3589 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea is 68K of 84K in bondholder capital
benkay: only 80.9%
benkay: and this month, only 6.4 kbtc in bonds were sold
benkay: but at 12.5%
benkay: that's a pretty steep rate
benkay: needs to be, to induce people to put up bonds that are almost guaranteed to take huge writedowns
mircea_popescu: benkay only 6.4 in bonds were needed.
deadweasel: projected expenses, right?
benkay: how is necessary bond capital determined? the bot says "I want to underwrite bonds!" and then does so?
mircea_popescu: retroactively. looks how much exposure it had at the point it had the most exposure.
tiberiusiv: benkay hahah
tiberiusiv: deadweasel projected expenses?|
tiberiusiv: are you fucking stupid.
tiberiusiv: how can you project losses from bitcoin volatility.
tiberiusiv: the price can go swing 50% either way
tiberiusiv: mircea popescu LOSES money when bitcoin is volatile
tiberiusiv: which is like 80% of the time
tiberiusiv: mircea the fraud/scammer had to put a 12.5% rate in order to get more greedy idiots to give him bitcoins
benkay: nobody's modeling anything
benkay: nobody's writing this shit up
tiberiusiv: no shit
benkay: it's just a bunch of opionions flying back and forth on irc
tiberiusiv: hes a fraud
benkay: you have a claim
tiberiusiv: needs the activity to stimulate bids for worthless mpex shares
tiberiusiv: that he sells
tiberiusiv: CLASSIC boiler room scheme
tiberiusiv: hence why he does it out of lawless romania where he is untouchable
benkay: so, what would be a good metric for evaluating this claim?
tiberiusiv: what claim? that mircea owns 90%+ of the float and he needs bids to dump into
Framedragger: "lawless romania" haha right
tiberiusiv: romania is the fraud capital of the world for a reason
tiberiusiv: you can buy police/judges quite easily
xire: dun dun dun dun dun da da
xire: here in romania, we make own rules
tiberiusiv: mircea is an egomaniac who wont admit to mistakes
Framedragger: kinda need citations to support these claims, only because ISPs do not prosecute scriptkiddies there does not mean much
tiberiusiv: citations?
tiberiusiv: its the internet fraud capital of the world.
tiberiusiv: go fucking get your own citations
tiberiusiv: a cop costs $200
Framedragger: to actual studies operationalizing such terms as (lol) 'fraud capital' :)
Framedragger: i can also buy a cop in my hometown, though not sure of price :P
tiberiusiv: theres entire villages there where people dont do anything but internet scams
xire: tiberiusiv, what country are you from?
deadweasel: tiberiusiv: eat my cock, welcome to ignore for the 5th time this month.
tiberiusiv: how convenient mircea is in romania lol
tiberiusiv: poor ass gypsy who resorts to internet scams like his country men
Framedragger: lol, did you read the article you linked to mate, it doesn't really say anything apart from mentioning the keywords that matched your google query
deadweasel: tiberiusiv doesn't take anything in, he merely spews outward
tiberiusiv: theres plenty of articles
Framedragger: "But outside these run-down flats, the streets are full of expensive, fast cars that are a marked contrast to their surroundings. [same in many countries, saw that in sarajevo, etc] The hackers like to show off their wealth and power with these high-powered vehicles, which they race through the streets at night. [this does not follow from the prev sentence"
Framedragger: not sure why i'm responding though :(
tiberiusiv: mircea popescu is a fraud and you will lose
tiberiusiv: once he runs out of bagholders
jcpham: so tiberiusiv do you know mircea_popescu
jcpham: i'm curious about your motivations
jcpham: normally people are vocal about this sort of thing have some one else pulling the strings, so to speak
jcpham: so it seems odd, unfounded, not genuine.
tiberiusiv: right so its a conspiracy now
deadweasel: thestringpuller!!! it's you!
tiberiusiv: you a mircea cheerleader
jcpham: not really. fuck him
jcpham: i don't know him
deadweasel: ditto
jcpham: but i am curious about your motivations
jcpham: at this point
tiberiusiv: i dont have any
tiberiusiv: merely pointing out how his boiler room scam works
jcpham: are you sure about that?
tiberiusiv: mircea needs bids to sell his worthless shares mpex.
jcpham: i'm going to believe you for now i guess
benkay: what about s.dice? is that a scam as well?
deadweasel: bitcoins at any price over 8$ are a scam, go tell #bitcoin-anal about it
jcpham: but your outspoken nature on romanians is highly suspect
benkay: so are MP's on "niggers"
tiberiusiv: benkay: sdice is shady but hard to tell if its a scam or not
benkay: just elbowing you
tiberiusiv: mircea is a nigger himself
jcpham: smh
tiberiusiv: voorhees does hold a huge par tof the float
tiberiusiv: he loves dumping
mircea_popescu: so bitcoin is a scam or what
benkay: sdice is an awesome example of what happens in economies that think they're unregulatable
jcpham: i think it might be a scam mircea_popescu
tiberiusiv: bitcoin cant be a scam as it does not need endles new bidders
mircea_popescu: jcpham brb gotta post on my blog.
tiberiusiv: mpex does.
jcpham: oh wait tiberiusiv said it isn't a scam now
jcpham: i thought it was a scam a minute ago
tiberiusiv: i never said it was one
jcpham: my mistake.
tiberiusiv: i said MPEX and mircea are scams
jcpham: totally
tiberiusiv: not bitcoin.
jcpham: can i be a scam too?
tiberiusiv: guy cant even read probably another lowlife with a few coins
jcpham: will you tell people
jcpham: super
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
jcpham: how many bitcoins do i need to posses to own a "few"
mircea_popescu: im confused.
jcpham: what's the arbitrary number
jcpham: that makes me cool
mircea_popescu: jcpham 13, as established by uppittytortilla
jcpham: i got that
jcpham: toattally in the cool kids club
mircea_popescu: k send them to me now
jcpham: psssh
jcpham: scammer
benkay: FOAR TEH BONDS
jcpham: romanian scammer
mircea_popescu: send them to me or you don't go to the supernode.
jcpham: fuck
jcpham: i need it for Helsinki
mircea_popescu: 1sendhereorelsenosupernode1254
jcpham: 1.5 class suernode
rigacrypto: anyone knows a good bitcoin trading channel ?
jcpham: not this one
tiberiusiv: there arent any rigacrypto
dub: #bitcoin-spacedicks
tiberiusiv: its mostly clowns with 1-2btc trying to get rich
tiberiusiv: #mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: rigacrypto this but romanians aren't allowed so.
tiberiusiv: daily fraud seminars
jcpham: 1-2 btc is not a percentage of my total ealth
tiberiusiv: 2.99 BTC for the packet
jcpham: i do percentages
dub: jcpham is a semenair
mircea_popescu: 1-2 btc is FIDDY PERCENTAGES
jcpham: dub what?!? thaere's semen in the air!>!?!
mircea_popescu: of your total poverty
jcpham: hundredaire
jcpham: popping cola bottles
rigacrypto: anybody shorting bitcoins ?
jcpham: i don't even think i can link you to wallet i controll with a lot of coins
jurov: you naughtaires
jcpham: sorry to disappoint
rigacrypto: what's your entry point and when do you plan to close the position ?
deadweasel: drinkin' tap water
jurov: rigacrypto: here ppl prefer mpoe options as "entry points"
jcpham: shorting? like long term shorting
jborkl: pfft , I won't use a 1.5 supernode
jborkl: only 1.49 or better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [-]
jcpham: or just short term- shorting like today
rigacrypto: long term. never fight the bots
jcpham: wow
rigacrypto: @jurov: ok
jcpham: but the bots are the market
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32701996 BTC [+]
jcpham: i have a hard time planning anything for more than afew hours
rigacrypto: the market is made of hype-controlled people
jcpham: or hype-producing people...
rigacrypto: analyze the hype cycle and you can guess the market
jurov: and rigacrypto, my ex-boss asked me the same some time ago
jurov: the best answer around was "don't buy bitcoins at all"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3211 BTC [-]
jcpham: rigacrypto i couldn't stay short for more than a few hours
jborkl: the hype circle jerk is in -otc and I would'nt stick micrea-popescus dick in that shithole of a channel
rigacrypto: a better strategy: long when it's low and short when it's high :D
jcpham: they are talking about btcjam loans still
jurov: rigacrypto: right now it is low or high?
jurov: a million bitcoins question :D
rigacrypto: at 160, my entry point, it was high; I wonder the same thing now :)
jcpham: i still think we're correcting to 4 digits
jborkl: i think right now there is one buyer and one seller
jcpham: might take 9 months
jcpham: though
jurov: let's divide us to bulls, bears and boars and vote
benkay: on what timeframe, jurov ;) ?
jurov: medium short-to-long term
dub: rigacrypto: there is #bitcoin-analysis but its turning into -otc
rigacrypto: the dumber the better. good proxy for market sentiment
rigacrypto: otc it is then
jurov: oh, then there's btc-e trollbox (but it's mostly about ltc)
dub: how is ltc doing, any panic from the looming lukepocalypse?
jurov: no change recently
jurov: hovering above 0.03 btc
jurov: i hope that attack coincides with mtgox launch...for moar drama
benkay: attack?
jurov: benkay, luke-jr promises to 51% litecoin
benkay: nice
benkay: why?
jurov: supposedly it users scrypt wrongly and prone to fpgas
dub: because alt coins are bad
dub: and bitcoin needs more drama
benkay: let's all waste the one asset we never get more of
jurov: maybe bitcoin became sentient AI and hates competitors and it's hungry for drama
jurov: and miners are his minions
mircea_popescu: <benkay> why? << because he'd like people to think he still has miner relevance.
mircea_popescu: i guess in the end he'll attack ppcoin or something
dub: kinda surprised he hasnt
jurov: iirc ppcoin uses merged mining with btc
dub: no it doesnt, or he would have
ThickAsThieves: cuz attacking a coin is great for your rep
ThickAsThieves: look at how much we adored the devs after the bitcoin fork
dub: there will be some ideological resason that makes sense only to the type of person that would rape his wife with his four kids in the bed next to them
jcpham: i'd help luke 51% litecoin
jcpham: for sure
jcpham: when does that happen
jcpham: because i can?
ThickAsThieves: it's the productive thing to do
mircea_popescu: wednesday after lent.
jcpham: litecoin has no value
jcpham: other than to hedge against bitcoin
mircea_popescu: dub pix ?
ThickAsThieves: thus attacking litecoin has value?
jcpham: it's neat and all....and that's a neat value
jcpham: but sort of pointless
ThickAsThieves: making an attack even more pointless
mircea_popescu: is that tibby ?
jcpham: ThickAsThieves so i should quit now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00073864 = 4.2841 BTC [+]
jcpham: i hate litecoin because i missed the pump and dump
ThickAsThieves: let the kids have their fun i say
jcpham: during $260 bitcoins
mircea_popescu: jcpham you know what ? i missed it too
mircea_popescu: bought them cheap sold like 25% of the way up
jcpham: jeez it was epic
dub: mircea_popescu: I can answer that question:- because bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i thought i was all fancy selling my litecoins at like .026
ThickAsThieves: then it kept going
jcpham: they got up to like $10 or something right
jcpham: maybe 5$
ThickAsThieves: .04+ i think
jcpham: way too much
mircea_popescu: dub which q are you answering ?
ThickAsThieves: all questions
dub: why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/
mircea_popescu: a a. myeah.
jcpham: omg mircea_popescu
jcpham: i already clowned on him in -otc
jcpham: talk about a 1st owrld problem
jcpham: his house looks fine
mircea_popescu: no dude.
mircea_popescu: must spend 200 btc to add a balcony.
jcpham: retarded
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.01000, Best ask: 137.75000, Bid-ask spread: 1.74000, Last trade: 137.87980, 24 hour volume: 60555.46093699, 24 hour low: 134.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 140.33742
mircea_popescu: (i had no idea wtf he's doing at the time of writing, but anyway)
ThickAsThieves: nice spread
jcpham: it's a laughable forum post
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ah finally!
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8689fa94da1f1eb79f997983fc12ba991db3bad46a67ddd64eae7819
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: it works here too now.
Framedragger: oh, nice.
mircea_popescu: "The difference between the Valley and Eastern Europe is that in the Valley spammers get VC funding. Also, the spam is beautifully designed."
KRS-1: p33r for now i have j00 key
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: jurov: eh, when did I promise that?
jurov: lemme check
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0101 BTC [+]
jurov: Luke-Jr: okay, seems you "just"
jurov: spread a rumor
Luke-Jr: also won't be me doing it
kakobrekla: is like
kakobrekla: id code it 10 years ago
kakobrekla: (when i was 15)
kakobrekla: maybe id do a better job
kakobrekla: even.
mircea_popescu: ya i was thinking, yet anoither kid with php doing an exchange.
kakobrekla: well, its not the phps fault, just cause some idiots drive into a wall cars are not inheritly bad
mircea_popescu: if anything it's php's fault for being too good.
mircea_popescu: so everyone uses it.
kakobrekla: i should be getting paid for this bashing!
kakobrekla: its too valuable
kakobrekla: to rant for free
jurov: stfu, you got 0.1btc..a fortune
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24688 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: -assets got those
kakobrekla: to help kako with development!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.245 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: accually i got nothing yet.
kakobrekla: just unfunded short position
jurov: anyway, what's planned?
mircea_popescu: see, when i flatteded icbit i got like a few hundred out of it.
kakobrekla: ya but icbit accually half worked
kakobrekla: this doesnt.
ezdiy: hmm, btc.sx
ezdiy: why do people keep using zhoutongs code?
kakobrekla: you think its his?
kakobrekla: 23:04.19 ( ezdiy ) why do people keep using zhoutongs code? < -- cause amir
ezdiy: ah
ezdiy: bitcoinica's code aint even zhoutongs? :)
kakobrekla: amir leaked it iirc?
ezdiy: yeah, who knows
ezdiy: maybe he wrote it
ezdiy: and zhoutong stole it
ezdiy: lol
kakobrekla: no no
kakobrekla: zhoutong is in the biz of stealing btc
kakobrekla: not stealing code
ezdiy: i think zhoutong was just pressed by the circumstances
ezdiy: i mean, his bucketshop has been basically printing money
kakobrekla: what?
ezdiy: it made no sense to kill it
ezdiy: unless he got bored with it or something
mircea_popescu: ezdiy nah, zhoutong wriote it, then brought it "bitcoin consultancy" "experts"
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: i know
mircea_popescu: who supervised the next two hackjs and leaked the code
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: what is interesting the speculation which follows up
mircea_popescu: anyway, they were actually losing money with it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00073244 = 1.4283 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: were they?
ezdiy: from what i gather its been extremely profitable before it was sold to intersango :)
ezdiy: i mean
ezdiy: with spreads like 10%
ezdiy: you simply cant lose money
mircea_popescu: you gather wrongly.
mircea_popescu: there's emails leaked showing zhoutong taking no salary because they had losses.
ezdiy: sure
ezdiy: i'm talking before intersango took over
mircea_popescu: overall it probably never made enough to cover the sum total of hacks.
kakobrekla: im guessing losses was cause gox
ezdiy: after that i suspect zhoutong just asset stripped it
ezdiy: kakobrekla: yeah, the "hacks"
ezdiy: i mean
ezdiy: you dont just run with the money like some low life crook
ezdiy: you just claim you were hacked in bitcoin world :)
rexcrypto: what happened to the kid ? I heard about a mysterious "investor" putting 50K to "insure" bitfinex loans
kakobrekla: accually im suprised tux is still alive
rexcrypto: they took a loss during the recent volatile market, and eat it
mircea_popescu: rexcrypto sounds like bs and how is bitfinex related rly ?
ezdiy: rexcrypto: i'd not be surprised if he's alive and well, and pulling the strings
kakobrekla: i mean how much one must owe to get a hit
kakobrekla: on him/her
ezdiy: kakobrekla: to get a hit?
rexcrypto: isn't bitfinex using the same source code ?
ezdiy: rexcrypto: yes
kakobrekla: ezdiy to wack him
ezdiy: rexcrypto: however its not as simple as that
ezdiy: rexcrypto: the house must be constantly adjusted to not lose money
kakobrekla: 1mio usd ? 10 mio usd ? 100 mio?
ezdiy: i suspect only zhoutong could do that without throwing off people with outrageous spreads
ezdiy: kakobrekla: to get a hitman to the tune 100k imo
ezdiy: kakobrekla: its not imo about the money, but knowing the right people
jurov: not even a hitman
jurov: frozen account, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 816 @ 0.00073244 = 0.5977 BTC [-]
ezdiy: jurov: huh?
kakobrekla: 100k?
kakobrekla: thats nothing.
jurov: i really wonder why this happened only to bitcoin-24 owner so far
jurov: and no other exchange
ezdiy: kakobrekla: yup
kakobrekla: he has like 20k coins
kakobrekla: from bitcoinica
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.25041, Best ask: 137.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24959, Last trade: 137.50000, 24 hour volume: 63683.40158072, 24 hour low: 134.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 140.15166
kakobrekla: ;;calc 20000*137
gribble: 2740000
rexcrypto: the kid was chinese, right ? is it simply a coincidence bitfinex is in HK ? then they come up with mystery "investors"
ezdiy: kakobrekla: thats like 2 years ago
kakobrekla: so he holds like 3mio
kakobrekla: of other peoples money
kakobrekla: nothing compared to what bitfloor did
ezdiy: rexcrypto: i dont think hes in directly
kakobrekla: and they want to eat him alive
kakobrekla: aint that interesting.
ezdiy: that would be too dangerous
ezdiy: and stupid
ezdiy: but people forget quickly
ezdiy: so what do we know
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.18 = 0.9 BTC [+]
ezdiy: kakobrekla: was there any banking fiat lost in bitcoinica hack?
ezdiy: or was it just mtgox codes?
ezdiy: because btc and mtgox codes .... lol, good luck suing someone just for that
ezdiy: if there is no legally binding record of transaction
kakobrekla: he admits it
rexcrypto: what ever happened to zhoutong's book ?
rexcrypto: he was planning to write the "bitcoin book"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23505 BTC [-]
louong: don't get Zhoutonged man
ezdiy: "How to zhoutong for fun and profit"
rexcrypto: bitfinex is the only bucket shop that can do a BTC short
louong: biggest troll ever Zhoutong
rexcrypto: so I'm probably getting zhoutonged as we speak
ezdiy: rexcrypto: yup
ezdiy: other than being in ruby, the bitcoinica code is actually pretty decent
ezdiy: the leaked version has some bugs so you can beat the house pretty quickly, that seems to be fixed on bitfinex now :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.85 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ezdiy you tried it ?
kakobrekla: i was scammed in rl today
iz: i know, it's dumb, when they say "free refills", it's implied it means IN THAT VISIT
mircea_popescu: by a girl ?
iz: what a scam
kakobrekla: accually yea, a cahier ... and i was checkin the bill cause i though it was funny but aparently it went past me in the heat of the moment
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.0142 = 0.0284 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so report her
ezdiy: kakobrekla: more often than not cashiers dont do it intentionally
ezdiy: unless they're vietnamese
mircea_popescu: she slipped you a mickey!
ezdiy: then count the change. twice. and check for fake bills.
kakobrekla: hm twas like 20 euro or so
kakobrekla: its gonna cost me more than that to try to fix it
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so meh
mircea_popescu: fake 20 euro bill ?!
kakobrekla: no, the bill should be 100 instead of 120
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47939799 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dudes if anyone is not reading that uppity tortilla thread.... you're missing out.
mircea_popescu: this is what something awful would be if they had any humor
kakobrekla: id pay him to come here
kakobrekla: so we dont need to check the forums
jurov: "We will also have a private forum in 48 hours max, for the delegates and people in the process."
jurov: we'll miss out soon :/
kakobrekla: yeah installing phpbb takes 48hrs max
mircea_popescu: jurov there's going to be leaks.
mircea_popescu: pigeons is probably whetting his pastebins as we speak
kakobrekla: is mpoe-pr on the invite list under some other handle?
jurov: yes, likely several
mircea_popescu: for the record
mircea_popescu: 8 out of 69 in helsinki
mircea_popescu: premier in finland
mircea_popescu: 200 dollah a night, mkay.
mircea_popescu: this dood needs to visit dubai.
kakobrekla: meh budai.
jurov: "I did feel I wasn't taken as seriously as those who were wearing business dress, until the receptionist saw my booking... "
mircea_popescu: what issues people have ;/
jurov: lol what will reception say to horde of bitcoiners
mircea_popescu: you need to be taken seriously by receptionists now ?
jurov: you know, equal treatment
mircea_popescu: First, thank you for the personal invitation. I'm flattered.
mircea_popescu: For all that I post here about Bitcoin, my own activities about it, and where I see it going in the future, at the moment I am still truly small potatoes. 50k minicoins - the theoretical price of one ticket if I take too long to decide - is a large portion of my total Bitcoin holdings.
mircea_popescu: poor guy.
kakobrekla: who is that
kakobrekla: and what is mini coin
jurov: mBTC
mircea_popescu: some guy he invited.
kakobrekla: you know fuck you and your SI prefixes, i have two shovels of coins.
mircea_popescu: imo minicoin = leetc.
mircea_popescu: Goat sold me 700,000mBTC for 2.65M THB yesterday
mircea_popescu: da fuck.
kakobrekla: THB is like GBH but cheaper?
mircea_popescu: lol i think it's thai baht
mircea_popescu: I have almost contracted a team of 3 bright and beautiful young women to help with the organising of the summit (+ being The Summit Secretariat during the event, if ever we reach 30 participants - which I doubt but will employ them anyway)
rexcrypto: are you talking about reptila's slumber party ? that man is utterly delusional
mircea_popescu: i have almost blown a loat in a girl's ass today.
mircea_popescu: except i did it yesterday.
mircea_popescu: rexcrypto he's funny :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22 BTC [-]
truffles: <mircea_popescu> i have almost blown a loat in a girl's ass today.>>>> so interesting
jurov: lol i almost googled loat... then realized it's prolly load
benkay: context is underrated
kakobrekla: ;;ud loat
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=loat | a large, sometimes furry creature who fears interpersonal interaction and prefers to remain secluded from society in its own world; see also HERMIT, REJECT ...
rexcrypto: that's reptila
mircea_popescu: totally.
kakobrekla: loat is a large, sometimes furry crature.
benkay: hah imagine blowing a loat into some poor lady's hiney
kakobrekla: creature
benkay: do you stick it in first and then inflate it?
truffles: ewwww
mircea_popescu: benkay you can...
benkay: or inflate it on the outside and make her squirm during the insertion
mircea_popescu: original loat.
benkay: my eyes
benkay: damn you my eyes!
truffles: didnt click
mircea_popescu: subquestion : why of why is his upper left thigh yellow ?
rexcrypto: piss
jurov: benkay why eyes? rather brain is hurt trying to imagine how mircea was using it
benkay: that's easy
benkay: gaping's a thing
benkay: there's no banana for scale in there
benkay: he's actually not that large
mircea_popescu: wanna bet that guy's a pickup artist ?
benkay: if there were a banana we'd be able to tell
truffles: buttsex doesnt need a how, but a why
benkay: feels good.
benkay: end of story.
benkay: also dom/sub stuff but that may escape you.
jurov: but butbut... he got blown? must have been a mess
truffles: yea not my thing
benkay: i love the wii guitar
mircea_popescu: lol is that what that is ?
benkay: i think so
benkay: i keep opening the image and closing it again
benkay: haha
benkay: not one but two wii-tars
benkay: or rock band
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.331 BTC [+]
benkay: dude would probably froth hard at the wii implications,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00071681 = 3.6557 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: will this have the same 'issues' ziggap had?
kakobrekla: >When Crypto Street launches, we'll hold massive funds within each exchange, eliminating the need to figure out this funneling.
mircea_popescu: yaright,
mod6: lol "it rhymes with marbitrage"
mircea_popescu: everyone has veteran bankers, massive funds and what else
kakobrekla: it also rhymes with skateboards
jurov: optimystic:signed up, excited to see and use
rexcrypto: reptila is getting desperate: he added a new ticket type "virtual delegate", 5BTC
rexcrypto: no chance to impress the receptionist tough
rexcrypto: oh, excuse me... 5000 mBTC
kakobrekla: a teaspoon of btc?
kakobrekla: ;;calc 1 teaspoon in drops
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21047 BTC [-]
dub: gah
dub: I'd like to print that out on a bit of 4x2 and beat our new corp security clowns with it
benkay: pedant
jborkl: maybe i will suggest to reptelia the name ACE
jborkl: Ass Clown Exchange
benkay: IACEP
benkay: Insane Ass Clown Exchange Posse
benkay: Possee
benkay: Possee
benkay: goddamnit. posse.
dub: could call themselves juggleasses
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.229 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.201 = 0.402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.229 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im still waiting for them to produce 30 chicks.
mircea_popescu: perhaps somebody should whisper in his ear that at my thing i had the guests harassed by a drunken street whore.
mircea_popescu: top that, tortilla!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00071681 = 4.8743 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1234 @ 0.00072819 = 0.8986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1049 @ 0.00073864 = 0.7748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36 @ 0.00073864 = 0.0266 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32100003 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: can someone double check my maff
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.21047 = 2.4209 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.0101 = 0.0404 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.222223 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sure kakobrekla
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.21 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 55 @ 0.0101 = 0.5555 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: wont stand long prolly
mircea_popescu: 1 desertspoon of bitcoins
mircea_popescu: ajaja ok tyhis is pretty good.
kakobrekla: i just noticed
kakobrekla: the double cherry truck... its over 9000.
mircea_popescu: btw the dept of corrections is saying you need to spell dessertspoon
mircea_popescu: otherwise spoon of sand
kakobrekla: ok fixd
kakobrekla: also added
kakobrekla: 1 piggy bank of bitcoins = 44375040 satoshi = 443.7504 mBTC = 0.4437504 BTC
kakobrekla: sounds about right
KRS-1: lets test it out...someone send me a bag of bitcoins. I'll send my address-
KRS-1: I'll let you know if its right.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.222223 = 9.7778 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 36 @ 0.00301 = 0.1084 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.222223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14 @ 0.00071799 = 0.0101 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: should i add 1 tux of bitcoin like hmm
kakobrekla: ;;calc 21*.7
gribble: 14.7
kakobrekla: 14.7 mio?
mircea_popescu: 1 tux of bitcoin should be 3.14 satoshi
mircea_popescu: the pissatoshi, the unit of rage.
KRS-1: that sounds like someone's genitals in Italian.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pissantoshi, a unit of measure for pissanthood.
mircea_popescu: lmao shuddup
mircea_popescu: i've just been pissanting the shit out of fred destin on twitter
mircea_popescu: you've been watching haven't you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 1.4689 = 7.3445 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. link?
mircea_popescu: odd timig
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 925 @ 0.0101 = 9.3425 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 454 @ 0.0101 = 4.5854 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47939789 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01015 = 0.1015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 550 @ 0.01018 = 5.599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.01018 = 0.2545 BTC [+]
dub: tl;dr
kakobrekla: he makes sense also in relation to bitcoins
KRS-1: that avatar of you on Twitter looks like Tom Hanks.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.223223 = 6.1161 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone want to buy me a gift cert ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 139.20000, Best ask: 139.29995, Bid-ask spread: 0.09995, Last trade: 139.20000, 24 hour volume: 64271.06565196, 24 hour low: 134.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 139.70171
mircea_popescu: ;;rated petertodd
gribble: You rated user petertodd on Sat Feb 9 03:36:12 2013, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: bought me SA gift cert..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate petertodd 2 the gift cert expert.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user petertodd has changed from 1 to 2.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.32100002 = 4.815 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 152 @ 0.32 = 48.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9386 @ 0.00071799 = 6.7391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11994 @ 0.00072741 = 8.7246 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Contacted a lawyer, will wait for his opinion about the brief to see whether it's worth it or not."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.8501 = 3.7002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.85 = 9.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.83 = 5.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.4625 = 4.1625 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22322 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.8399 = 9.1995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.47939789 = 3.3558 BTC [+]
jborkl: where the hell did you guys find that idiot anyway? you need to get RMA and ship him back
Tritonio: Can someone explain to me what's the difference between Cryptostocks and Picostocks? I see that Picostocks allow you to do an IPO, while Cryptostocks simply store the stock into your account and then you just regularly sell them on the market.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1677 @ 0.0007343 = 1.2314 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cryptostocks is an old stock exchange thing. never went anywhere.
mircea_popescu: picostocks is pretty much a scam, a la bitbillions or w/e
Tritonio: old stock exchange? what do you mean? It's an old site or is it old-style stock exchange? And what's old style? :-)
mircea_popescu: it's old as in it existed for more than a year.
Tritonio: I see. And what's w/e?
mircea_popescu: whatever
Tritonio: ah ok I though it was some other scam site.
mircea_popescu: haha would be pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the story with picostocks is this dude came out of nowhere, claimed he's making an exchange
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.222223 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: then claimed he's making a fund on his exchange, on ~1mn dollar worth of basics
mircea_popescu: (at the time)
mircea_popescu: then tom folded and the guy was like a ok, making a 1mn worth of some other fpga i think it was
mircea_popescu: he had never bought the chips, he's just a puff artist.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1100 @ 0.00175 = 1.925 BTC [-]
jborkl: a poofter
mircea_popescu: lol. "you sir are a poofter!"
BitHub: #hah
Tritonio: Vircurex is listed on cryptostocks? I guess that's the biggest company there.
kakobrekla: arent they one and the same ppl
mircea_popescu: Tritonio vircurex and cryptostocks run by the same guy, kumala
mircea_popescu: the offering was a little dubious, too. check the forum thread it's discussed there
Tritonio: I see. The offering you mean the IPO or the contract terms in general? I'm looking for the thread....
Tritonio: Kumala said: "One more week till end of IPO. Still have quite a number of shares to be sold."
Tritonio: IPO? I just saw that CryptoStocks doesn't offer IPOs.
Tritonio: It just gives you the shares to sell them at whatever price you want, doesn't it??
mircea_popescu: i think so.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P143T] 2 @ 0.51564507 = 1.0313 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22222 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.003625 = 1.0875 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 138673.56 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 11692792.2784 USD in total. | Data vintage: 72.6958 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
gribble: There are currently 89593.695 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 14932027.1768 USD in total. | Data vintage: 77.9570 seconds
ThickAsThieves: WTB Asicminer shares in bulk, pm plz
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 150 @ 0.00069 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
dub: ;;getrating ThickAsThieves
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User thickasthieves, rated since Sat Mar 2 09:19:18 2013. Cumulative rating 2, from 2 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=thickasthieves
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47939789 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 129.31000, Best ask: 129.38670, Bid-ask spread: 0.07670, Last trade: 129.38670, 24 hour volume: 79350.57428952, 24 hour low: 127.53171, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 138.01913
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 548 @ 0.00363 = 1.9892 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 233998 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1873 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 9 hours, 41 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10484860.0635 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.05474
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 15 @ 0.000695 = 0.0104 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 87 @ 0.000695 = 0.0605 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,sex
gribble: Error: "bc,sex" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: poofter.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 141 @ 0.00363 = 0.5118 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5564 @ 0.00073864 = 4.1098 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1986 @ 0.00073864 = 1.4669 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: im off
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.20602 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.469 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2222 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22222 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.222222 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 157 @ 0.00363 = 0.5699 BTC [+]
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