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bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-25 23:16:02 awt[signpost]: billymg: what do you think about adding an "infographic" Pest protocol explainer to pestnet.io?
billymg[asciilifeform]: the raw content already exists too, in the form of snippets from asciilifeform's spec and a few of the diagrams he's already made
shinohai[asciilifeform]: igualmente asciilifeform
shinohai[asciilifeform]: Really digging awt's latest blatta fix, makes the thing feel more civilized.
asciilifeform: e.g. eur
busybot[asciilifeform]: Current BTC price in USD: $29901.98
signpost[asciilifeform]: say the reich's playing a game of who crumbles first, and capitulates into USD.
asciilifeform: current reich plan seems to be to sacrifice the fat, lazy eureichtards
asciilifeform: turks afaik have a reasonably complete physical economy and well-posed for a hypothetical 'definancialization'
asciilifeform: + a reasonably-working army
asciilifeform: and decent supply of historic fuckings to avenge when get the chance.
asciilifeform: ~nobody saves in orc currencies afaik, even in orcistans
asciilifeform: wb shinohai
asciilifeform: shinohai: hm which fix?
asciilifeform not tested yet
asciilifeform: billymg: you gotta set, in bios setup, pcie to '8x' mode.
asciilifeform: billymg: the 8x/16x autodetect is afaik b0rken on all supermicro boards.
asciilifeform: also set optionrom to 'expansions 1st'
asciilifeform: then will get the raid menu and bootable.
asciilifeform learned this empirically, laboriously, in piz cage
asciilifeform: billymg: have you verified the card to be alive in anuther box ?
asciilifeform: billymg: i've encountered cards which 'work' but not bootable from
asciilifeform: helps to have a known-good card in yer stash, then can rule out sad box
asciilifeform also encountered supermicro boxen where the pcie riser damaged
asciilifeform: billymg: this is 1 reason wai asciilifeform not in e.g. cr
asciilifeform: if you have a 8x card
u0_a280[asciilifeform]: $ticker btc usd
busybot[asciilifeform]: Current BTC price in USD: $29595.85
u0_a280[asciilifeform]: Happy Friday all! #pest been busy, nice to see.
shinohai[asciilifeform]: Gotta update bot station this weekend and may switch my main station to it. Using the "smartphone" as testbed for new vpatches currently.
awt[asciilifeform]: shinohai: good to hear
billymg[asciilifeform] not yet tried plugging the card into another machine, but that is next on the debug list
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: yeah, i already set it to 8x, prior to that was not even appearing in lspci
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: also set the "scan for roms" to "addon first", no dice
billymg[asciilifeform]: turned off "quiet boot", tried disabling onboard ide/sata
billymg[asciilifeform]: tried pretty much any bios option that seemed even remotely related
billymg[asciilifeform]: the model number of my board is H8DGU-F and it's on the 3.5a bios, there is a 3.5c available. i'm thinking if i get the card working on another machine i'll try updating the bios
billymg[asciilifeform]: also tried moving the card to different slot in the riser (there are two), no change from that either
billymg[asciilifeform]: jumpers are in the correct position according to the manual
billymg[asciilifeform]: also not yet tried downloading sys-block/storcli to try interacting with it from the os
billymg[asciilifeform]: but appears in dmesg and lspci. dmesg claims drivers loaded properly
billymg[asciilifeform]: was brand new card, shipped in original packaging
billymg[asciilifeform]: biggest pain about this stuff in cr is it ain't order another, try in ~2 days, it's order another, try in ~2 weeks
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: could throw a spare vid card in there just to test
billymg[asciilifeform]: hrm, that i'm less sure of
billymg[asciilifeform]: will first try the raid card in my other box here, i've got a free slot for it
billymg[asciilifeform]: ok, so plugged into another machine the LSI/3ware boot message appears
billymg[asciilifeform]: so i guess that means it's a configuration issue, bios issue (that could maybe be solved by flashing the latest bios version), or a hardware issue with the PCI slot or riser
billymg[asciilifeform]: but yeah, the card appears to work fine, can press 'alt 3' to enter the bios config screen for the raid card
billymg[asciilifeform]: didn't bother connecting any drives, but no reason to believe it wouldn't work. on the supermicro, during boot, never saw any message from the card at all
billymg[asciilifeform]: awt: any chance you know your bios version?
billymg[asciilifeform]: if it's 3.5c i'll go ahead and do the reflash
awt[asciilifeform]: billymg: no recollection of any bios changes to get the 3ware card working
awt[asciilifeform]: billymg: not sure how to get that without rebooting
awt[asciilifeform]: billymg: 3.5a
awt[asciilifeform]: billymg: I suspect it's going to take even longer to get your visa with all the ransomeware attacks
signpost[asciilifeform] just got a huge replay of 2022 messages, lol
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-25 12:38:31 asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-25#1028826 << this was phf et al's vdiff
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-25 11:32:20 gregorynyssa[deedbot|signpost]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-25#1029266 << Did you implement V in Ada?
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-25 11:29:34 asciilifeform: awt_akris: oddity while pressing the genesis
s1gnp0st[asciilifeform]: awt: also I didn't billymg's reply about the infographic until just now in akris, apparently nudged along by gregornyssa's message
s1gnp0st[asciilifeform]: just reporting my observations
awt[asciilifeform]: s1gnp0st: ty. will be hard to diagnose this stuff until clients start displaying chain breaks.
awt[asciilifeform]: s1gnp0st: I am pretty sure, blatta being singlethreaded, that it drops packets during syncs.
awt[asciilifeform]: So someone puts out an old netchain, some blatta doesn't have it, goes on a getdata binge, actually misses contemporary messages, then when things calm down, gets everything on the next message.
shinohai[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-25#1028780 << nyet, I *did* make one for jonsykkel's smalpest, but don't recall if I published or not.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-25 08:57:34 signpost: shinohai: didn't you have a pbuild for python pulled together?
shinohai[asciilifeform] catching up on logs, will likely try pressing akris this evening ...
awt[asciilifeform]: shinohai: lemme know if you run into any issues.
awt[asciilifeform]: Ah yup - gregorynyssa's client is not setting either netchain or selfchain.
asciilifeform: wb shinohai
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-25#1028872 << ty, awt. i'ma try it again tonight
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-25 19:04:41 awt[signpost]: asciilifeform: updated docs to remove references to virtulenv, and swapped out v.py for the bash v included with pentacle. Re-genesised with the updated docs. Gonna try and cut down on the number of patches. Blatta had way too many bugfix patches.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-26#1028877 << this tarball has the current graphics in www-friendly res
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-26 09:46:59 billymg: the raw content already exists too, in the form of snippets from asciilifeform's spec and a few of the diagrams he's already made
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-13 14:47:28 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|awt|deedbot]: billymg: http://loper-os.org/pub/pest/pest_predraft_html.tgz
asciilifeform not yet vpatch for this version of spec, but yes it'll have the latex src for the graphics along with errything else
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-26#1028878 << hm replay as in chronologically misordered? or simply in the 'fill in log' sense
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-26 10:17:03 signpost: just got a huge replay of 2022 messages, lol
signpost[asciilifeform]: from year 2022
asciilifeform: signpost: rright but were they displayed as if happening nao? or properly backfilled log
asciilifeform expects he'll see for himself when finally revvs up awt's new pestron
signpost[asciilifeform]: didn't see a replay message
signpost[asciilifeform]: nah, this was on old blatta
signpost[asciilifeform]: sorry, I should've been clearer.
asciilifeform won't miss dark ages append-only console when it finally goes away
awt[asciilifeform] doesn't miss
signpost[asciilifeform]: yuge step forward to have the log-viewer and chat interface merged into one program.
asciilifeform: awt: lol where's the protocol??
asciilifeform expected a duct tape & chewing gum pest when saw link
awt[asciilifeform]: whaack, billymg: do you know if Jacob and Dorion are aware of Pest?
billymg[asciilifeform]: awt: i was talking to whaack about it a few months ago and he said he brought it up with them. i'll let him fill in the details if he's around
asciilifeform: billymg: i'd expect they'll defo 'invent' pest at some pt, after done with fg
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-05-26 14:36:40 asciilifeform: meanwhile! the folx in parallel universe still kickin', catch up to where we were in '21.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-03-23 13:32:57 asciilifeform: iirc d00d had an ee diploma. ought've been done in a week after starting, lol
asciilifeform: perhaps will even try to sell it to gullible expats in bananistan as glorious lost tech of mp etc
asciilifeform: wainot.
signpost[asciilifeform]: peer up fags; I'll peer with any of you.
signpost[asciilifeform]: the great schism of mp fanclub matters to nobody.
asciilifeform: signpost: matters, evidently, to the fella who too proud to write in re fg schems when 'i have no idea why was done this way' etc
asciilifeform reads their www 1nce in blue moon; rather tedious, lenthy diatribes 'a la mp' about rando shitcoin 'scene' news, 'work reports' e.g. 'nth july : my alarm clock battery died', etc. snoar
signpost[asciilifeform]: good luck to them; I'm fully disabused of the notion that anything approximating a party of sanity is going to emerge, certainly not by the mere unfurling of one's cock.
signpost[asciilifeform]: not even likely that marginal pockets of sanity remain, but that's at least worth living.
asciilifeform: awt: comanism, misc. cargo cult airplanes, piles of 'don't be poor', etc
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-06-27 asciilifeform: such folx have precisely 1 approach to solving technical problems; and this approach is amply illustrated on diana's www
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-06-27 asciilifeform: shinohai: diana is, by my lights, one of the numerous 'plodders' who go from kindergarten to doctorate with perfect marks without skipping a beat but also without ever so much as risking to emit an original thought
asciilifeform: poor buggers seem to have taken exactly 1 thing from the mp episode -- infection with baccilus of megalomania, 'errything you can do i can do better', 'poor are subhuman', etc
asciilifeform: where's the promised glorious 4th reich tho.
signpost[asciilifeform]: women are by disposition more compliant ("agreeable"); I don't know that they can be damned for this.
asciilifeform: this in re jfw et al rather than the chix
signpost[asciilifeform]: that certainly.
asciilifeform: ( who per asciilifeform's lights were npcs, and afaik wasn't wrong about this )
signpost[asciilifeform]: adopting affectations of the already rich does nothing.
asciilifeform recently when clearing out old house excavated coupla 100 blank FG pcbs, thought of the panama folx, lol
awt[asciilifeform]: Perhaps relavant: if you want success with women and are short, ugly, poor, don't take advice from tall, handsome, rich.
asciilifeform never seen jfw, d00d cleared out of montevideo seemingly hours before asciilifeform arrived in '18
asciilifeform: per Bingo's report, 'he was thin like pow and got tired quickly'
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-26#1028943 << iirc notion was to schmooze with'em and sell glorious lost tech. but apparently errytime they bought shitcoin etc. instead, the latter being moar 'charismatic' and pushed in glossy reich mags
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-26 13:49:49 signpost: adopting affectations of the already rich does nothing.
asciilifeform: 'wild boar does not appreciate fine cooking'(tm)(r)(cn)
signpost[asciilifeform]: most of the rich worth mentioning are already amply insulated from inflation.
signpost[asciilifeform] has far more respect for the people putting coin in the hands of e.g. El Salvador.
asciilifeform: not merely 'insulated from', but directly benefit from. hence wai there even ~is~ inflation.
asciilifeform: it aint some kinda natural disaster.
signpost[asciilifeform]: no, you're right, brrr goes right into their pockets.
asciilifeform: straightforward pump from plebe pockets to 'nobles'
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-09-27 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-03-15 asciilifeform: ... from reich pov, plebes having savings is a bug, similarly to resistive losses in electric cable. 'pieces of yacht that got diverted'
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-08-03 asciilifeform: not to mention, rentiers laffed all the way to the bank as real estate, 'stonks',etc. doubled, tripled; meanwhile savings of plebes confiscated via inflatism
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-10-31 10:08:40 asciilifeform: billymg: there's a scene in 1 of v. shalamov's 'kolyma stories' where a guard storms into the barrack in the evening and smashes the old tin cans the inmates have been using as little kettles to warm up bits of food
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-10-31 10:09:07 asciilifeform: 'worthless pieces of shit, clearly you are fed too much and work too little, if you have what to warm up in these'
asciilifeform: !!ticker btc usd
shinohai[asciilifeform]: awt: Successful press, etc but running `bin/main.py` results in: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'akris'"
shinohai[asciilifeform]: (Might be due to `pip install -e file:../akris` not working for me)
shinohai[asciilifeform]: nm, reinstall of base akris seems to fix
awt[asciilifeform]: excellent shinohai!
shinohai[asciilifeform] will connect it up shortly, still reading USAGE and docs.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-26 11:17:04 awt[asciilifeform]: Ah yup - gregorynyssa's client is not setting either netchain or selfchain.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-25#1029303 << Stallman and others have been raising this alarm since I was in middle school.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-25 14:34:45 asciilifeform: unrealatedly, meanwhile, in heathendom lulz.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: awt: I wanted to mention that Blatta appears not to work with the 1.0.5 version of irssi(1).
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: awt: I have patched my Java program so that the "selfchain" and "netchain" fields are set.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-26#1029456 << In Chinese they call this the "sheep fleecing" explanation.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-26 13:59:00 asciilifeform: not merely 'insulated from', but directly benefit from. hence wai there even ~is~ inflation.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-26#1029474 << Do you think CDE is any good? I have not used it myself. The rectangular appearance has a slight appeal for me.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-26 15:09:14 shinohai[asciilifeform]: Very nice awt! http://btc.info.gf/uploads/AKRIS.png
shinohai[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa: CDE pretty good as far as X things go - doesn't use a fuckton of resources and indeed the rectangular appearance is nostalgic, very nice thing overall.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-26 19:38:56 shinohai[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa: CDE pretty good as far as X things go - doesn't use a fuckton of resources and indeed the rectangular appearance is nostalgic, very nice thing overall.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Let me see if this message works.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Is anyone else here using irssi(1)?
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: I will send another packet.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: I have confirmed that "selfchain" and "netchain" are working.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: The next step is to support address-casting.
awt[asciilifeform]: gregorynessa, your latest few messages have netchain and selfchain correct. However, the one that says "Let me see if this message works" has a null netchain.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-26 20:04:13 awt[asciilifeform]: gregorynessa, your latest few messages have netchain and selfchain correct. However, the one that says "Let me see if this message works" has a null netchain.
shinoa[asciilifeform]: Test *from* akris
shinohai[asciilifeform]: Sorry for the noise, seems there was gigantic delay before stations started talking to one another.
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