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awt_akris[asciilifeform]: !!ticker btc usd
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Anyone know any amd linux laptops that can do 4k?
signpost[asciilifeform]: if you find a respectable amd linux laptop, I'd be all ears
signpost[asciilifeform] uses lenovo, but as last resort
signpost[asciilifeform]: recently found that the damned LCDs are held in by a *sticker*
signpost[asciilifeform]: been driving the pinebook more actually. at least priced as disposable as they are, and pretty sturdy tbh
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: signpost: not sure exactly what respectable means. Been using a pangolin for a while now.
signpost[asciilifeform]: they pretty sturdy?
signpost[asciilifeform]: I drop the shit out of my machines
signpost[asciilifeform]: btw another option for laptop driving big screen(s) would be an egpu
signpost[asciilifeform]: I've got one of the stock trader multi-screen 2d cards plugged in atm
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: signpost: doesn't feel as sturdy as a lenovo, but it's still in good shape after a significant amount of traveling.
asciilifeform: signpost: what's running on the pinebook? ( asciilifeform still has his, collecting dust, with the stock shitlinux it runs with speed and reliability of overheated 486dx )
signpost[asciilifeform]: bleeding edge gentoo
signpost[asciilifeform]: can pull a disk image if ya like
asciilifeform: signpost: the 'official' one, with systemd etc ?
signpost[asciilifeform]: nah, the other one with the limbs sawed off systemd and sadly affixed to openrc
signpost[asciilifeform]: elogind seatd w/e else
asciilifeform has ridiculous pile of lappies, but not uses'em much these days, not often goes out of house for long enuff to need lappy
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: signpost: I will look into egpus. iirc they can be finicky.
signpost[asciilifeform]: I have a "razer core x" which has worked well with a visiontek 7750 inside with a recent linux kernel
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: One thing I like about any laptop that is not a macbook is - the battery doesn't swell and damage the trackpad.
asciilifeform recalls phf's tests of a linuxism on crapple arm lappy, wonders whether anyone finally reversed the iron enuff to get practical portability (e.g. suspend mode)
asciilifeform: awt_akris: asciilifeform found that one had best replace crapple batteries prophylactically, before they start to outgas
asciilifeform: ^ 2-3 yrs after purchase for crapple's, 1-2 for chinesium aftermarket units
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: crapple battery replacement can be done at home?
asciilifeform: this was for x86 crapples tho, which 'fry eggs' -- possibly the arm boxes bake'em slower
signpost[asciilifeform]: yep, this kind of thing has me trying to rely more on the trashputer lappies as a disposable terminal into my big box
asciilifeform: awt_akris: it's a pain but yes ( naodays folx sell kits, complete with spudger and solvents for dissolving the hot glue )
signpost[asciilifeform]: arm stays pretty damn cool, had one for the recent project
signpost[asciilifeform]: can boot up your AI waifu too
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: signpost: which did you manage to boot up?
signpost[asciilifeform]: didn't, just seen others run llama on it.
signpost[asciilifeform] has run llama.cpp on the ryzen box tho, underwhelming
asciilifeform sufficiently impressed by crapple 'm2' that recently ordered a stationary crapple 'ultra' for experiments (not came in yet, seems they hand-solder'em or sumthing, takes weeks)
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-02-18 11:56:21 asciilifeform: phf: i've a '$maxint' 'threadripper' in there, and the m2 el cheapo in fact beats the shit outta it
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-23 13:38:50 asciilifeform[5]: phf: for comparison: 2m 49s on 'threadripper' 3960X.
signpost[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: possibly AI-bros eating these up?
asciilifeform: signpost: would be odd if so, they aint afaik the most 'bang for $' gptism box
asciilifeform: (iirc nvidia still champ there)
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-20 10:48:45 signpost: has run llama.cpp on the ryzen box tho, underwhelming
asciilifeform considered to try 1 of these but not come up with a practical use, lol
asciilifeform: 'solution in search of problem'
signpost[asciilifeform]: 65B quantized to int4 with buncha layers offloaded to nvidia 3090
signpost[asciilifeform]: yeah, I was fiddling with it for some autosummary and classifier experiments
signpost[asciilifeform]: e.g. my email.
asciilifeform: iirc if you want to train the thing (vs running vendor's model) need 30kW worth of gpu
signpost[asciilifeform]: yeah, maybe on the far side of the halving I pick up two of the nvidia megacards
asciilifeform: ( i.e. ~ferrari's worth )
signpost[asciilifeform]: thing gets way "smarter" if you don't quantize, of course
signpost[asciilifeform]: at cost of a token every 3-5sec
signpost[asciilifeform]: meta just released an updated set of weights for free for commercial use under 700mil daily active users, so effectively free for anybody not their size.
signpost[asciilifeform]: gonna try that thing out before long.
asciilifeform: signpost: that's simply generic 'chatbot' neh
signpost[asciilifeform]: they had weights fine tuned for chat, and not
asciilifeform: ( rather than application-specific one )
asciilifeform does have a hypothetical application in mind for gptism, but is rather long shot ( 'smarter phuctor' )
signpost[asciilifeform]: interesting, how'd that work?
asciilifeform: signpost: look for 'anomalous' pubkeys
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-06-21 14:05:51 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in recent boobytrap lulz.
signpost[asciilifeform]: does seem like a problem of the right shape for the things.
signpost[asciilifeform]: "find the transform"
asciilifeform: for that matter, might be interesting to see whether a nn can cough up some % of bits of priv given a pub (for whatever cryptosystem). long shot but consider how simple to generate training set
asciilifeform: anuther obvious lul would be to feed it various lolrngs (e.g. microshit's) and see whether uncovers their lol
asciilifeform not labouring under the notion that he's the 1st to think of these, but afaik to date nobody's confessed publicly
asciilifeform would be surprised if nobody's using these to e.g. search for shortcuts in sha2(sha2(..)) etc
asciilifeform: awt_akris: unrelatedly, definitely seeing at updates (and join/parts) from you but still hearsay msgs somehow
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: damn
asciilifeform: seeing e.g. awt_akris[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: I'm not getting anything directly from you.
asciilifeform: awt_akris: the odd thing is that at (at least sporadically) refreshed (would expect on yer end similarly)
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: If you're seeing joins, you must be getting ignores.
asciilifeform: clearly getting ~sumthing~
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: my station has not received a single packet from yours, according to AT.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: just sent a dm.
signpost[asciilifeform] receiving both of you directly atm
asciilifeform: awt_akris: nodice apparently
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Gonna implement basic log search in the console, then hopefully put out a genesis patch.
signpost[asciilifeform]: congrats awt_akris; excited to try this out.
asciilifeform: awt_akris: neato. looking fwd to testing
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Sometimes I get the feeling some kind of meteor struck in '20/'21 and I'm just sort of collecting pieces of corrugated tin to cover the entrance to the metaphorical hole I live in online now. Wasn't just #trilema - pretty wide impact zone. Dunno what to call this event - "covid" isn't sufficient. Personally fine, etc.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Just a weird "coincidence" of events. Something is gone. Possibly won't understand all implications for a decade.
signpost[asciilifeform]: mp's "darkening" was apt
signpost[asciilifeform]: and asciilifeform's observation that never before was man hobbled with such effort, at such scale, etc
asciilifeform: hobbling tech is the ~only tech that's still movin' along
signpost[asciilifeform] sleeps like a baby, ftr
signpost[asciilifeform]: I was planning on dying at the end anyway.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Perhaps the first truly global darkening - First wave of Communism was only like 50%.
signpost[asciilifeform]: now can, so must, to continue to paraphrase asciilifeform
asciilifeform: awt_akris: collapse proceeds monotonically, but squeezes by the elite (i.e. 'milk the cow more, feed it less') tend to appear as discrete events. 1971, 2001, 2008, 2020
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-09-27 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
asciilifeform: 1991 was an orc-only squeeze but along same lines
asciilifeform: ( 'civilized west' bought itself 20y of reprieve by plundering su )
asciilifeform: atm (well rather since '14) lizards trying to carry out anuther '1991'
asciilifeform: so far nodice
asciilifeform: and naturally will try 'anuther 1989' in cn, given comical failure of last 1, but long shot
asciilifeform: reich can only live by eating 'untermenschen' and this aint much of a seekrit.
signpost[asciilifeform]: plenty of own to munch on, and cheaper than munching abroad.
asciilifeform: own increasingly already eaten & shat
asciilifeform: ( see e.g. us 'midwest' )
signpost[asciilifeform]: texas probably isn't that far off from shat. literal millions of southern border crossings.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Had been itching to relocate to texas and/or florida but couldn't pull it off. Now not so sure.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: It's just I'm already living in 3 different places. 5 is over the top.
signpost[asciilifeform]: I still like Texas a lot, but will probably end up in the NH woods in next 1-2yr
signpost[asciilifeform]: awt_akris: wife veto'd decking out an airstream and dragging it into the desert
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Yes can't get my girl to live in a trailer either.
signpost[asciilifeform]: it sounds fancier
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: just might work
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: I know someone who pulled it off. Lived in a trailer with his wife for years before affording a house in OC.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Met a sailing instructor who lived on a boat with his wife.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Lots of government employees living in trailsers these days I guess.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-20#1028678 << will need mini-reactor to power the ac? or how
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-20 15:39:21 signpost: awt_akris: wife veto'd decking out an airstream and dragging it into the desert
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-20#1028673 << the differences b/w diff parts of the reich seem rather small to asciilifeform
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-20 15:37:22 awt_akris[awt|signpost]: Had been itching to relocate to texas and/or florida but couldn't pull it off. Now not so sure.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: in terms of legal regime - yes - not all that different when summed up. No state income tax but high property tax here - low property tax but high income tax there and so forth. Wyoming is exceptional in this respect but might as well live in Costa Rica in that case if you're going to live an inconvenient
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: distance from civilization.
asciilifeform: there's also the food 'tax' when you live in 'woods'
asciilifeform: ( assuming yer doing sumthing other than subsistence farming )
asciilifeform recalls phf mentioning 'woods' types who gotta fly in plane to civilization to resupply
signpost[asciilifeform]: I'm a happy guy, but if we lose modernity entirely I'm out, man.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Yes or heaven forbid you want quality ethnic food. Discovered that thai chilis are not to be found in CR, or heavy cream in most parts.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: My Side of the Mountain fan here.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Obiously would be more like The Road.
lobbes[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-20#1028677 << hit me up if you do end up in NH one day. I'll buy you a beer or beer-equivalent
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-20 15:38:54 signpost[jonsykkel|awt]: I still like Texas a lot, but will probably end up in the NH woods in next 1-2yr
lobbes[asciilifeform] is living in MA these days but sometimes heads into NH wilderness for hikes, etc.
signpost[asciilifeform]: yeah, would be happy to
asciilifeform: re: geography -- at this pt asciilifeform sits where he does strictly because the things he wants are either substantially ~moar~ expensive elsewhere (or -- equally unavailable)
asciilifeform: ( or at any rate not worth cost of moving )
asciilifeform: e.g. in $location tax might be coupla % lower, but import duties on iron are fucking ridiculous
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: "everything costs the same everywhere"
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Searching for "result" brings up an astonishing number of messages from phf.
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