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PeterL[cgra]: Hello. I suppose I have not checked in for a while. awt, what is the latest stable version of Blatta?
awt[cgra|asciilifeform]: Hey PeterL. Can you try 9969 - the problem with 9970 is that it sends an excessive amount of address cast messages. I've been running 9969 for about a day without any issues.
awt[cgra|asciilifeform]: !!ticker btc usd
asciilifeform: wb PeterL
PeterL[asciilifeform]: sure, I'll see if I can set it up later today
awt[asciilifeform]: !!ticker btc usd
awt[asciilifeform]: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=KLWh << "Exchanges would also need to set a strict limit for each customer’s exposure, depending partly on their financial situation, the regulator said." << http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-17#1023522
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-17 13:32:12 signpost: I wager they'll just make BTC an "accredited investor" thing
signpost[asciilifeform]: looks like this is the chicoms doing this?
awt[asciilifeform]: signpost: yes via HK
awt[asciilifeform]: Looking forward to having a way to preserve pastes
signpost[asciilifeform]: working on an archiver?
signpost[asciilifeform] hasn't flushed the toilet on the paster in a while, but had a bot post-loop on the thing before
awt[asciilifeform]: signpost: I built an archiver. But looking forward to "articles" within pest.
signpost[asciilifeform]: [The agency (SEC) is expected to pick it up again in April (2022) with a request for public comment on changing the definition of accredited investors who can participate in privately held, “unregistered” share offerings of at least $10 million, according to the agency’s fall 2021 regulatory agenda.][https://archive.
signpost[asciilifeform]: ah crap I reversed it
signpost[asciilifeform]: [https://archive.is/WceUS][The agency (SEC) is expected to pick it up again in April (2022) with a request for public comment on changing the definition of accredited investors who can participate in privately held, “unregistered” share offerings of at least $10 million, according to the agency’s fall 2021 regulatory
signpost[asciilifeform]: well, too long and snipped anyway. but this change combined with the results of current SEC cases against shitcoins at least amounts to a normie ban on shitcoins.
signpost[asciilifeform]: dunno if they made the $10M limit change yet.
signpost[asciilifeform]: gensler's a weird guy, don't know what to make of him yet.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-20 10:23:46 signpost: well, too long and snipped anyway. but this change combined with the results of current SEC cases against shitcoins at least amounts to a normie ban on shitcoins.
asciilifeform: hm did shitcoins get reich.adjudicated as 'shares' or is hypothetical ?
PeterL[asciilifeform]: testing 9969?
signpost[asciilifeform]: yeah, they're rolling through shitcoin companies in court setting precedent, going after anything that stakes, yields, etc.
awt[asciilifeform]: PeterL: I read you
asciilifeform skeptical re any possibility of deliberate scuttling of shitcoinism by reich. at this pt seems to be solidly part of the 'tbtf house of cards'
asciilifeform: signpost: they'll simply switch to mavrodi/mmm-style 'we Officially promise nuffin'
awt[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: afaict SEC considers shitcoins to be securities hence shares
asciilifeform: ( mavrodi's mmm started with 'shares', knocked down by ru equiv of 'sec', then rebranded the 'shares' to 'collectable paper with formally 0 worth'
PeterL[asciilifeform]: awt, getting a wall of warnings in my log that I don't have mccrypt and is using pure python, didn't we suggest that would get checked once instead of constantly?
asciilifeform: awt: linked piece seems to be concretely about 'staking services'
awt[asciilifeform]: PeterL: hmm I thought I did fix that
asciilifeform: (rather than shitcoins as a class)
asciilifeform: 'Kraken’s staking service offered a 20% APY, promising to send customers staking rewards twice per week, according to its website.' etc
signpost[asciilifeform]: sure, but just about all shitcoins have such a company behind them. lbry was an example.
asciilifeform: likely. seems they'll simply change the verbiage tho, to mmm-style
signpost[asciilifeform]: scam is perennial, of course.
asciilifeform ianal + not gives sufficient shit to dig deeply enuff to say whether it'll work
signpost[asciilifeform]: hilariously, gensler's claimed a few times that ethereum meets his definition of a commodity.
signpost[asciilifeform]: point of bringing it up is a creep inward of govt, starting with easiest targets, rather than interest in usg legal trivia
awt[asciilifeform]: PeterL: Looks like I didn't. To aleviate for now you can comment out line 80 in lib/message.py.
asciilifeform: signpost: reich enacted shitcoins, could, naturally, cancel'em whenever. but to asciilifeform not clear why would do so, it's an a++ waterfall fuel & idjit tax.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-14 12:06:55 asciilifeform[6]: billymg: per asciilifeform's pov, worst thing that's happened to bitcoin to date was its 2010s 'legalization' and the 'institutional' 'law-abiding' vermin crawling in and pumping/dumping
PeterL[asciilifeform]: I suppose I should try to get mcrypt installed, I seem to remember I bumped into some problem trying to get it but I don't remember what
awt[asciilifeform]: Addition of mcrypt was a byproduct of the amount of address cast spam in the original address cast release.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, apropos of nuffin, in asciilifeform's experiments with 'ergonomics' crackpottery. surprisingly comfortable.
signpost[asciilifeform]: ooh damn, that's nice
signpost[asciilifeform]: only problem is the chair's not a massage chair
asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform not quadriplegically stuck in it, so not suffers bed sores, lol
asciilifeform: minuses -- vendor makes'em in onesies, charges FG-style; somehow not knows how to deal with reich customs, so the pieces of that thing had to be ransomed and over9000 paperwork; and, lastly, takes 4evah to assemble (you get crate of pipes etc)
asciilifeform: vendor supposedly takes btc. ( asciilifeform not tried tho )
phf: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023895 << "i want a cyberpunk 2077 netrunner setup -- say no more, fam"
bitbot[cgra|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-20 12:18:48 asciilifeform[4]: meanwhile, apropos of nuffin, in asciilifeform's experiments with 'ergonomics' crackpottery. surprisingly comfortable.
phf: my main concern would be with hand blood circulation, since it looks like hands not just above heart, but even above head
phf: it seems like a setup like that calls for a split keyboard, mounted at arm rest position on both sides, below heart
signpost[cgra] using zsa moonlander currently, love the thing.
signpost[cgra]: ergodox successor
signpost[cgra]: would work nicely for that idea.
phf: oh yeah, also gotta put led strips on all surfaces
phf: i use freestyle 2 still, because it was cheap to buy a handful at some point
phf: kinesis
phf: but they now have "advantage 360" which is a split version of their original hand "bowl" shaped advantage
phf[asciilifeform|cgra]: next step with ascii's setup is to put it on hydralics, wire it into videogame
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023903 << not in the default config (tho may not be obv. from the photo)
bitbot[asciilifeform|cgra]: Logged on 2023-02-20 13:28:37 phf[awt|deedbot]: my main concern would be with hand blood circulation, since it looks like hands not just above heart, but even above head
phf: photo definitely makes it seem like top of the keyboard is on the same plane as head
asciilifeform: phf: many of the similar items on the market do feature hydraulics etc., asciilifeform avoided ( wat-do when the actuators die and vendor long kaput? ) -- this one's just a buncha aluminum + mattress
phf: of course main use of hydraulics is to position you vertically so you can just walk off the thing rather than climb off
asciilifeform: phf: unfortunate camera angle. 'kbd above head' would be agony, dun think could last 5min in that pose
phf: ah ok
asciilifeform: re split kbds, asciilifeform never liked'em ( largely cuz nobody ever made one outta bucklings springs and with left-side-fkeys, lol )
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023917 << some folx report headache getting in/out but not noticed this (after coupla tries, learned how to do it w/out even raising the kbd fixture)
bitbot[cgra|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-20 13:39:54 phf[awt|deedbot]: of course main use of hydraulics is to position you vertically so you can just walk off the thing rather than climb off
asciilifeform: is approx. as 'hard' as getting in/out of auto
phf: it was mostly a joke, i'm a strong proponent of dynamic sitting, i.e. i'm sitting/standing on a dentist (the doctor's not the patient's) at the moment, because it allows me to walk-think primarily, but obviously helps prevent spinal issues
phf: *dentist chair
asciilifeform: phf: for asciilifeform , 'dynamic' consists of getting up & pacing around regularly (not deliberately 'medicinal', but simply habit, 'for thinking')
phf: so this kind of couch experience in my mind absolutely requires a hydralic stand up assist, as a kind of mobility scooter superflous addition
asciilifeform: some of these 'desks' in fact have electric lifts etc
phf: i mean what else is one to do once the immediately accessible cheetos supply runs out!!
asciilifeform fwiw is 1 of those folx who hesitates to have even glass of water in torture room, much less food
phf: but the electrostatic effects of a carpet!
asciilifeform in fact grounded the fixture, lol
asciilifeform: awt: wat's the context ?
asciilifeform: ( who's kent ? wat newz lul is in ohio ? )
awt[cgra|asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: hrm can't find original thread with phf describing a particular kind of do-gooder.
signpost[cgra]: thing about the appalachians enlisting for the war is most of them are soyboys these days
signpost[cgra]: soyboys plus whatever the endless pollution does to their hormones
awt[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: re: ohio the derailed train and subsequent release of some chemicals.
asciilifeform: a, 1 of these
signpost[cgra]: they have this cylindrical pudge to them at best. aren't going to win any wars.
phf: signpost, a texan trash talking appalachia! a papi go make me a temale
signpost[cgra]: *tamales are delicious, sir
bitbot[cgra|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-20 12:18:48 asciilifeform[4]: meanwhile, apropos of nuffin, in asciilifeform's experiments with 'ergonomics' crackpottery. surprisingly comfortable.
phf: main problem with appalachians is that they are ~not~ soyboys, the later being a prerequisite to navigating modern sociopolitical environment. their main problem is that their fundamental illiteracy makes them easy prey to all the different forms of manipulation techniques. e.g. the idea of a zogbot
signpost[cgra]: aren't you talking of your amish(-adjacent?) enclave though, which I woudn't disrespect?
signpost[cgra]: talking more of the folks that just got owned by the derailed train.
phf[cgra|asciilifeform]: nah, talking about most men and boys in the area
signpost[cgra] spent years on a farm outside rimersburg. loads of mutant fatties around.
signpost[cgra]: clarion area
phf: like outside of the amish, the amish have all kinds of defence mechanisms against the modern thing.
phf: yeah, but that's primarily not the people who go and serve. the people who go and serve are yoboys who spent youth moding their cars and nothing else. they then go into army, come back and do construction or whatever, if still limbs and no ptsd
signpost[cgra]: not sure there are enough of these to fight a war, is all.
signpost[cgra]: but maybe there are. sorry for them if they're still ready and willing to serve the grinder.
phf: the original point though was that the bulk of willing and able who go and serve, that is people who can actually run a distance with an m240, come from east palestine 100m radius
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-09-03 ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog'
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023939 << can't resist observing that mecha-war aint exactly a 'contest of who less soy'
bitbot[cgra|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-20 14:15:05 signpost: thing about the appalachians enlisting for the war is most of them are soyboys these days
phf: 􏿽signpost, i have friends in the area who served, and they don't even fall into "army boy with obeast at home stereotype". mostly fit dudes, etc. and their main problem is that they are just completely mediocre in most respects. construction work, drink a six pack, play call of duty
phf: 􏿽, hunt, sportsball during sportsball season, etc.
phf: in the context of conversation, and to bring in marxist theory, what they lack is class awareness and class identity and it is deliberately this way.
asciilifeform: ^ observed precisely this, while working for some yrs with (admittedly medical corps) us army grunts
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-01-25 asciilifeform: lizards in usa 'solved' the 'unions problem' by getting rid of labour, creating caste of lumpens on left side of bell curve and caste of paper shufflers on right side, with the sleight-of-hand moar than sufficing to ramp down expectations of life for all of'em
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023964 << this part imho aint mega-surprise, tho -- who signs contract to be in army for 40k$/y ? the 'hump of the bell curve' for whom is entirely 'good jerb'. 'and get your teeth fixed'(tm) ( for many of these folx, army is 1st and last time in their lives they'll have access to me
bitbot[cgra|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-20 14:33:16 phf[jonsykkel]: 􏿽, hunt, sportsball during sportsball season, etc.
asciilifeform: ... army is 1st and last time in their lives they'll have access to medical anyffin )
asciilifeform: the money's a joak (again unsurprise), to make 'boring programmer's wage' you gotta be at least 3 star general, last asciilifeform knew
phf: well, with army you have other perks besides salary, like any government job comes with benefits, etc.
asciilifeform: indeed. see above re teeth.
phf: gosh, mr, i was fixin to take my banjo with me, but you sayin i can't!
phf: i ftr have only seen people with "teeth" issues when we would go deep into the wv mountains, and it's kind of like you have to go out of your way
asciilifeform suspects that 'contract armies' errywhere on planet3 consist of moar or less same kinda mediocrities as seen in usa, tho
asciilifeform: so it neither here or there for the 'us army suxx lol' file.
asciilifeform: the officers can read, write, (sometimes) arithmetize. this suffices.
asciilifeform: re physical shape -- afaik you dun need to be an olympic candidate to drive 'abrams' etc. ( tho gotta fit through the hatch, for some recruits this may pose problem? )
phf: my point is perhaps more that most men are mediocre, and there's no need to drop them all the way to banjo and bad teeth, for it to be a problem
phf: but if you're mediocre AND fucked by the circumstances, then your life is substaintally worse
asciilifeform: well in locales w/ conscript armies, theoretically is 'cross section of erryone' rather than economic bottom
phf: if you're a mediocre city person, you have bullshit paper shuffling jobs, that will you and wife enough to have some kind of breathing space (or so i heard). in a place where you have near to nothing as far as urban social infrastructure, you are significantly restricted in what your mediocrity can bring you
phf: but to the original point of "east ohio is where zogbot come from, so why no respect", argument is that this mediocity translates into often discussed "came back from service eats shit, instead of revolution"
phf: army service in this respect is a lot of opportunity, besides $20k/yr and your teeth fixed. e.g. if you operated heavy machinery, can now run a delivery truck or construction equipment in civ, without having to indentured slave yourself through respective education process
phf: and another thing!
phf: east palestine, oh is not appalachia, it's midlands. it's east of pittsburg, and pitt famously has an identity crisis about it's belonging. but at least pitt sits in the last of the appalachia hills
signpost[cgra]: hey fair enough. I should've been more clear. the guy on twitter was referencing this idea that the "good old boys" are repeatedly called upon to defend "like they always have".
signpost[cgra]: I'm skeptical there's enough good stock *anywhere* to "like they always have"
signpost[cgra]: and this picture of the sons of those good-old-boys huddled around call of duty rings true.
phf reaching behind his chair, not sure what to pick up, a banjo, or a 3030 lever action
signpost[cgra]: at any rate, hopefully the partition of ukraine goes smoothly.
awt[cgra|asciilifeform] anticipates reading, in the post-apocalyptic era, phf's b00k "Empire in America" a follow up to de Tocqueville with rich and detailed classifications of american types.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023989 << almost 'fishing with dynamite', but hard to resist pointing out that the last time these folx 'defended' any place they had any biz being in to start with, was... 1812?
bitbot[cgra|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-20 14:57:08 signpost: hey fair enough. I should've been more clear. the guy on twitter was referencing this idea that the "good old boys" are repeatedly called upon to defend "like they always have".
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023984 << extending on this: asciilifeform suspects that 'generic paper shufflers' for the most part end up with ~same effective (i.e. after landlord tax) wage as the 'zogbot's, on acct of local cost of life
bitbot[cgra|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-20 14:50:01 phf[awt|deedbot]: if you're a mediocre city person, you have bullshit paper shuffling jobs, that will you and wife enough to have some kind of breathing space (or so i heard). in a place where you have near to nothing as far as urban social infrastructure, you are significantly restricted in w
asciilifeform: ( if 'naked eye observations' mean anyffin, the 'zogbot' is in fact typically the winner in this comparison )
asciilifeform: reich appears to 'price' both types of mediocrity roughly similarly.
phf: can shoot coyots from back porch VS authentic tamales next door
asciilifeform: for instance.
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