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awt[asciilifeform]: $ticker btc usd
busybot[asciilifeform]: Current BTC price in USD: $19972.25
shinohai[asciilifeform]: FIRE SALE!!!!!!
awt[asciilifeform]: May need a mechanism to filter out dupe address casts. Don't really want to store address cast messages in the long buffer though.
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: they filtred by dedup buffer no?
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: or i guess u mean ur storing all of them and most of them contain same ip/port
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: could do "peer x addr changed to y" in logs
awt[asciilifeform]: jonsykkel: rereading the spec - says it stores all fully processed unique messages
awt[asciilifeform]: So I guess yeah I should be storing address cast messages in the long buffer
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: ah long bufer = dedup bufer, ignore my mesages
awt[asciilifeform]: Currently long buffer gets written to the db. Maybe only save address cast messages that update the db? I can't think of a reason why you'd want to save them long term at all.
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: a atacker could then change ur peers address in some cases by replaying adres cast that should of been deduped
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: guess coudl be argued that they can do this anyway by holding back a packet and releasing it later
awt[asciilifeform]: jonsykkel: ah I see yes
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: (and of cours, atacker has no idea wat the packets contain)
awt[asciilifeform]: Just seems not good to log automated messages
awt[asciilifeform]: s/log/store
awt[asciilifeform]: for bob, if alice is cold, bob is going to be periodically sending out ac messages to john, and john's going to have to store those messages.
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: i imagine that Tc constant in spec is set to somthing on the order of 60sec
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: so "Ta must be greater than or equal to Tc" -> max 60 casts per hour for each cold peer
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: and by constant i mean knob
awt[asciilifeform]: jonsykkel: if alice is dead - ac broadcasts may continue for eternity
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: awt: indeed, but longbufer only stores last hour
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: so u will only have ur bufer capacity permanently reduced by ~60*dead_peers
awt[asciilifeform]: True. Need to fix blatta long buffer though :( currently just goes straight to db and stores forever.
signpost[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-28#1011732 << when the stock market takes another rip downward normies will be fleeing their goxcorn too.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-08-28 13:35:58 shinohai: FIRE SALE!!!!!!
signpost[asciilifeform] has his bag wide open, 50% off coupon pls.
awt[asciilifeform]: Yeah. I'm ready.
billymg[asciilifeform]: anyone here have any insight into what's going on with eu energy prices? on the surface it looks like they're in for an interesting winter
awt[asciilifeform]: Kind of hard to believe it's as bad as they say.
signpost[asciilifeform]: billymg: german bureaucrats are already talking about begging to turn on nord stream 2.
billymg[asciilifeform]: signpost: ah, i didn't hear that (that germany is thinking of crawling back to russia)
billymg[asciilifeform]: signpost: re: why hard to believe, can't speak for awt but i felt that way also, mainly because of the constant media gaslighting for the last 3 years on nearly any and every topic
signpost[asciilifeform]: if the question is whether people will do anything about lack of heat or power, no argument to the contrary here.
billymg[asciilifeform]: signpost: that would mean them paying in rubles, right? or did russia budge on that at some point?
signpost[asciilifeform]: I'm not aware that russia has budged on a thing, look like they're doing great atm.
billymg[asciilifeform]: yeah, seems that way to me as well
billymg[asciilifeform]: i like asking on pest because folks here have a way of giving [very clear answers][http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-22#1011254] that can't be found elsewhere
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-08-22 11:55:00 phf[awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-21#1011252 << “jordan peterson, the mastermind behind american trumpism, and trump’s number one advisor”
signpost[asciilifeform]: iirc jonsykkel is our only current eufag
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: power gone up yep
signpost[asciilifeform]: jonsykkel: ty for your incisive analysis :)
billymg[asciilifeform]: jonsykkel: let us know when they go sri lankan on the politicians
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: of course as an end user of the socialist state i dont see a big diffrence until i look at detailed section of bill where the compensation is listed
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: sure ill keep u posted
signpost[asciilifeform]: I kinda want to buy a natgas etf, but I figure every time I have an urge like that I'm too late for the trade.
awt[asciilifeform]: signpost: hard to believe *it will be* I think is more what I meant. Disasters on the horizon for a long time tend not to be as bad as predicted.
signpost[asciilifeform]: yeah, being cold or without power is not an apocalypse, I agree.
awt[asciilifeform]: War started early in the year. Anyone with a clue would have been preparing since then.
signpost[asciilifeform]: more/less expected standard of living under socialism
signpost[asciilifeform]: hey mats, get a pest station already.
asciilifeform back from beach fwiw
asciilifeform will catch up on log in coming days
asciilifeform went for 1st time since iirc '17, w/ meatspace folx
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-28#1011732 << if it's anything like a fire sale, they hike up the prices two weeks in advance then it drops for the sale back to msrp
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-08-28 13:35:58 shinohai: FIRE SALE!!!!!!
busybot[asciilifeform]: Current BTC price in USD: $19852.76
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