awt[asciilifeform]: not if you're behind a firewall
awt[asciilifeform]: you need to add my address first, because there's no way to know what port you'll be listening on
awt[asciilifeform]: My station is not behind a NAT, so I can control the port used for outgoing messages
awt[asciilifeform]: did you add their IP first?
awt[asciilifeform]: one of the above could clear things up by pasting your line from their AT
awt[asciilifeform]: ok crtdaydreams we're peered
signpost[asciilifeform]: crtdaydreams: load up blatta in a profiler and look at what it's spending time on, if you want to investigate sources of lag.
signpost[asciilifeform]: I'd guess that since it's single-threaded getting a bunch of GETDATA from one or more peers might be one cause.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: signpost: eck, miscommunication, I was thinking of nat
awt[asciilifeform]: Looks like soon there may be a ferry from CR to ES.
billymg[asciilifeform]: !c trb-status
crawlerbot[asciilifeform]: 75.106.222.93 (Could not connect!), h=745914, v=99999, United States - peers: 311 - last probed: 1m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform]: 208.94.240.42 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, United States - peers: 104 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform]: 85.164.243.42 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, Norway - peers: 76 - last probed: 3m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform]: 54.39.156.171 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, Canada - peers: 72 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform]: 54.38.94.63 (Alive), h=745924, v=88888, France - peers: 58 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: 71.114.46.117 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, United States - peers: 39 - last probed: 4m ago
crawlerbot[4]: 205.134.172.4 (Alive), h=745924, v=70001, United States - peers: 50 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: 205.134.172.28 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, United States - peers: 22 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: 82.79.58.192 (Alive), h=745840, v=99999, Romania - peers: 29 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[4]: 185.254.196.12 (Alive), h=395601, v=99999, United States - peers: None - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[4]: 205.134.172.27 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, United States - peers: 2 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: 205.134.172.26 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, United States - peers: 16 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: 103.6.212.28 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, New Zealand - peers: 17 - last probed: 1m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: 94.176.238.102 (Alive), h=745770, v=99999, Lithuania - peers: 21 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: 205.134.172.6 (Alive), h=745924, v=99999, United States - peers: 15 - last probed: 2m ago
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: Bitcoin Network (IPv4 Nodes Active Within the Last 48 hours) Global: 7252; TRB-Compatible: 31; TRB: 15
crawlerbot[asciilifeform]: TRB by Country: United States: 9; Canada: 1; Romania: 1; Lithuania: 1; France: 1; New Zealand: 1; Norway: 1;
crawlerbot[asciilifeform|asciilifeform]: TRB-Compatible by Country: United States: 11; Germany: 4; Romania: 3; Canada: 2; Singapore: 2; Brazil: 1; Australia: 1; Italy: 1; France: 1; Sweden: 1; Netherlands: 1; United Kingdom: 1; Cyprus: 1; Bulgaria: 1;
billymg[4]: !c net-summary
phf[asciilifeform]: nature abhors a vacuum, it fills it with idiocy. rip #asciilifeform
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: next level conversation, wher idiocy
phf[asciilifeform]: jonsykkel: i don't actually intend for my statement to be a kind of flowery condemntation, i more than anything find the truth of it to be /curious/. i'm not otherwise willing to engage in a debate over what constitutes idiocy. and the curious part is that the void of the general shift of focus was not just left untouched,
phf[asciilifeform]: was immediately filled by a person who was not previously engaged.
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: not asking for a debate, if im a idiot i want to know why
phf[asciilifeform]: idiocy is not necessarily a result of individuals being idiots, it's the proverbial signal to noise ratio, which is often an explicit cultural group thing. sometimes you read something and decide that you've gained nothing from reading it, eventually, if it's a property of some particular source, reading it becomes a kind
phf[asciilifeform]: of a chore, which is the last reasonable time to reflet on s/n, and possible disengage: "why am i reading this again?" etc. what prompted this reflection is in my opinion a completely 0/n exchange over relative merits of language families, which was of reddit tier "italians like pasta and germans like sausages" kind of stu
phf[asciilifeform]: ff. vague, high level truisms, that are part of collective consensus that everyone knows, but which fall apart upon closer inspection.
phf[asciilifeform]: there's nothing inherent lisp that makes it down-right, except for modern stylistic preference for bound contexts over mutation. common lisp being a maclisp derivative one can still freely write a close to single level state machine, just nobody does. (defun foo (&aux var var2) (setq var 2) (setq var2 (expt var 1024))) or
phf[asciilifeform]: even go full cadr "system", which is written like (defvar var 1) (defvar var2) (defun foo () (setq var1 ...)). so you're kind of conflating culture, and style, and language properties, to express sentiments about things, that everyone knows already. algols being worse at bound contexts one is stuck with mostly mutation, ev
phf[asciilifeform]: en if one wanted to write it in different style. a python written by functional programmer exhibit more down-right properties. etc. etc. etc.
asciilifeform: hmm oddly enuff seeing phf as hearsay (via jonsykkel) nao
asciilifeform: phf: didja swap ip ?
awt[asciilifeform]: coming through my station rn I think
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-21#1010175 << as old hands walk over to pestnet, #a will inevitably become a kind of kindergarten for n00bs / 'not previously engaged' folx, yes
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-21 21:38:18 phf[jonsykkel]: was immediately filled by a person who was not previously engaged.
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: machine's been down for a couple of days, but i'm connected through awt at the moment. i switch back and forth between you and awt, whenever respective stations go down.
asciilifeform: we're evidently both 'up' atm tho
asciilifeform: so remains mystery wai hearsay
asciilifeform: ( in principle if both 'up', and peered -- which asciilifeform / phf were -- oughta see immed. msg always )
phf[asciilifeform]: and in your log i'm phf[asciilifeform] :o
asciilifeform: nao ~that~ is odd
asciilifeform: err, nope
asciilifeform: ~that~ makes sense, atm dulapbot peered only w/ 1) asciilifeform 2) bitbot
asciilifeform: 3) crawlerbot
phf[asciilifeform]: ah ok, i thought you were giving dulapbot peerings to l1
awt[asciilifeform]: perhaps phf means phf's machine has been down a few days, not asciilifeform's or awt's
phf[asciilifeform]: awt yes, /my/ machine was down
asciilifeform expects this kinda thing will evaporate when we have sect.5 mechanism
phf[asciilifeform]: i should stop yoloing and get one of them ups's.. electric's been going down for 1-5 minutes each day for the past week
asciilifeform: phf: can get surprisingly large ups for next to nuffin if yer willing to rebattery it. ( and if yer shithole has brownouts -- and where doesn't? -- be sure to get 'double-converting' type )
asciilifeform recs 'liebert gxt4' with the expander chassis (and the nic)
phf[asciilifeform]: yah, our common bolix friend taught me the way of "cheap ups that you rebattery", i'm just being lazy
asciilifeform had it wired directly to $room in new pad
asciilifeform: 1 'gxt4' + 1 expander is justenuff to cover time req'd to change oil in the generator, coincidentally
asciilifeform: ( thing wants oil erry ~100hr , per vendor spec )
asciilifeform: this at ~80% load
phf[asciilifeform]: ah, i was about to ask
asciilifeform: 'yer mileage may vary'
phf[asciilifeform]: how much would you say is a spent liebert gxt4 for reference?
asciilifeform: ~300 $ 'empty' iirc
asciilifeform: had to get the rails elsewhere tho, for sumreason nobody ever includes'em
asciilifeform: np
asciilifeform: the nic is a bit hard to find, there are several types that fit the socket but dun work correctly
asciilifeform: it aint entirely essential tho, can talk to the thing via rs232
asciilifeform: ( and it has a little screen with stats )
asciilifeform: 'gxt2' ( asciilifeform had for ~7y ) was very similar but w/out screen, just had 4 '%' lamps
phf[asciilifeform]: i have a generator rigged into switchboard, but i haven't bothered to make it automatic, mostly because when i do need it, i adjust the load accordingly first
asciilifeform: is helpful if you occasionally leave the house and dun like to find yer irons reset when come back
asciilifeform bought the place with the autoswitcher and gen already there
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: noise generators can only into signal generators by vatering them
phf[asciilifeform]: ah yes the brahmin county sahib housing :>
asciilifeform: phf: md.pg is 'brahim' nao, lol?
asciilifeform: *brahmin
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform has nfi who had the thing installed & precisely why
asciilifeform: seller had only dim idea re what it was
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform modern day brahmin is more like cloud people paper pushers, so yes. but come to think of it, i should've called it "babu housing", would've been sharper edge :p
asciilifeform: fairnuff
asciilifeform: ( tho asciilifeform moar often associates gensets w/ industrial wastelands , they aint esp. common around here in civilian house )
phf[asciilifeform]: one of my coworkers likes flipping x million dollar houses, so i've seen all kinds of infrastructure. smart houses with cat6 cabling for everything and beautiful racking/fallback generators, more than once
asciilifeform can picture
asciilifeform: the kind w/ helipads etc lol
phf[asciilifeform]: helipads are higher bracket :D
asciilifeform not lives in 'oligarch palace' nor near any, but seen
phf[asciilifeform]: these also come with abandoned "crypto" mining rigs. TWO houses that he bought and sold had mining rigs in the basement, still operational, left by owner
asciilifeform: fortunately dun need to be oligarch to run cat6, or put in genset, etc
asciilifeform: lol why would they leave'em
phf[asciilifeform]: i suspect that they discover that their amateur yield barelly covers the cost of running the full set of their smart lights or whatever
asciilifeform tip to folx running tubular conduit : dun ever count on being able to remove or move a cable after pulling it through
asciilifeform tore 3 rather costly display<->fiber gizmos in half
phf[asciilifeform]: what's this "cable housing" you speak of
asciilifeform: phf: y'know, those grey plastic pipes you see at dc's & 'to code' industrial shitholes
asciilifeform: notion being, you wanna run dozen cables, and not have to individually thread each through ceilings/floors & nail it
phf[asciilifeform]: "code"? sounds like some kind of goberment fascism to me
asciilifeform: ( additional n00b notion being 'hey i can pull'em out later if i need' but mnope )
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-21#1010247 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drRzgkI6Qm8
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-21 22:37:47 phf[awt]: "code"? sounds like some kind of goberment fascism to me
asciilifeform: phf: not all 'fire code' is idjit fascism, e.g. the edict against running hv intertangled w/ cat6 is born from bitter experience
asciilifeform: granted you can do it, and gestapo won't come, simply yer insurance co will die of laffter when yer hut burns and they're asked to pay
asciilifeform recalls a hilarious www of 'code, wat code' collection where e.g. extension cords run in walls, etc, sadly can't find
asciilifeform: iirc had e.g. garden hoses run as substitute for actual plumbing ('hey i wanted a sink there') & similar own-goals
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform i jest. out here in the deplorables land housing, specifically the kind that's been last owned by grownups, who now want to move to old people's home, or small apartments or whatever, tends to have multiple easy access points to behind the drywall, so you can run your cabling wherever you want, without having
phf[asciilifeform]: to mud the same access point every time, or try to pull through a 2" hole. it's a necessary property of having to e.g. treat the wood, or chase the squirels out or whatever
asciilifeform: a++ if has this
asciilifeform got 1 with 'hey, tile ceiling, easy' then only to find that the tiles, superficially 'dc style', are ~nailed~ in place, and crumble at slightest touch, lol
asciilifeform hadn't the slightest suspicion that anyone would go through the bother of building the tile support grid to then ~nail~'em, lol
phf[asciilifeform]: we've been idly looking at houses, and you can always see when "city folk's been here", bought for flipping or airbnb or "summer house", because that's the ones where you can't in fact go behind anything. "recently renovated" means some idiot has sealed a++ moisture gathering spots, because idiot
asciilifeform: the house equiv. of 'sawdust in gearbox' in used car world aha
phf[asciilifeform]: on the other hand if the house has "woodworking workshop" or similar on property, that means that there's not a single epxosed surface that you can't get to through some kind of vent, or cubby hole, or "storage closet" or crawlspace or whatever. "how will i fix her if the roof leaks???"
asciilifeform had builders for coupla things he didn't feel like doing himself, and lolled when these always ask 'yer tenants..' etc. assumption seems to be that nobody would actually buy box to ~live in~
phf[asciilifeform]: yeah, that's also the default assumption on part of agents. of course you're going to take this beautiful 100 acres and turn into housing lots, or take this beautiful victorin house and turn it into airbnb
phf[asciilifeform]: *victorian