jfw: Got most of a draft for an article on my V mess but need to add some refs and revise, will do in the morning. And doggone it there goes my bedtime
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-30#1023416 <-- why yes ofc. I'll have it announce trinque.org there, would you like it to read other feeds?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-30 19:15:48 trinque: incidentally spyked may I have feedbot in #trinque ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-30#1023419 - a genesis of Gales sounds needed in any case, indeed; if you recall, there is some difference between genesis and other patches in that genesis may at times be huge since it says "here's this thing to start working on", while a patch says "here's this *change* to look at if it should be made or not"; quite a significant difference too and in practice I'd say it means that a ...
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-30 22:49:05 jfw: I've been thinking it's high time for a genesis of the Gales Linux repository, and ideally to cut down on the inclusion of tarballs by reference. Post-TMSR-OS or no, JWRD's using Gales now so we need to keep it maintained. In theory, I'm seeing making a stronger division between base system and gports, where the former lives entirely in-tree and the latter remains tarballs on a mirror. In
diana_coman: ... genesis *should* include *everything* there; sign it with "use" key rather than your key, sure; use it as *starting* point rather than anything else and so on; but I hardly see the point in what is basically an incomplete genesis.
diana_coman: jfw: basically the cut(s) you propose would be patches /branches (if several cuts are really worth it) on that genesis, to my mind.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-30#1023426 - lobbes, how are those guys in Brasil in the end anyway? there were some reviews/articles you were supposedly writing on shinjiru and on those...
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-30 23:09:28 lobbes: diana_coman: I also wanted to ask you: assuming that I get the mp-wp bot logger thing to the point where you'd want to try it for #ossasepia, would you want to host it on one of your existing boxes or would you want a fresh one?
diana_coman: you know, what can I say re "a box" like that ?
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diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-30#1023364 - trinque , can you help me with this? I'm trying to make a deposit to deedbot so it's ready for the end of the week but a. from the help I couldn't tell if sum is in satoshi or btc b. given the format deedbot gives for the rest I assumed btc, sent the !!deposit, got a challenge, send the corresponding !!v and it stopped there - am I missing something/doing something wrong?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-30 18:26:33 diana_coman: trinque: is the deposit amount in btc or in satoshis (ie float or int)?
trinque: hm, sec
trinque: amounts are in btc, and I use a fixed precision type on the other end
trinque: looking into what happened.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-30#1023358 - bvt, I looked at this, it's basically no-and-yes, lolz; specifically: no, it's not a discrepancy, in fact the confusion is caused precisely because I was a stickler for not changing the tests otherwise, if you look at the outputs and at the printing in the tests you'll notice that the print for ch15 basically does what that transform you nuked in ch16 does otherwise; but ...
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-30 16:52:00 bvt: diana_coman: i've been updating vtools to bytewise keccak (for 2x perf improvement), and discovered a discrepancy between eucrypt.smg_keccak ch15 and ch16 behavior, the test case is at bvt-trace.net/pub/smg_keccak_test.tgz ; it seems that the transform at http://btcbase.org/patches/eucrypt_ch16_bytestream_keccak#L146 is not necessary (removing it fixes the issue), but i believe you're in a better position
trinque: diana_coman: mind giving me a day to debug this, and we can reconvene tomorrow?
diana_coman: ... yes, for your needs and basically when using keccak on bytes/octets without all the mess the "spec" made by talking of bits and not working solely with full octets, there's no need to go roundabouts like that and you can nuke the flipping around, as there's no need for it if you always work with full octets/bytes, indeed.
trinque: I will make sure you do not lose any coin, and have a suspicion I know what the problem is.
diana_coman: trinque: sure, no rush from my side; I simply wanted to make sure I have the money in there to be able to pay your invoice at the end of the week, nothing else.
trinque: I appreciate it, and will get this fixed.
diana_coman: fwiw I did *not* send anything so there's nothing I can lose so far, lol
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