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jfw: well here's some definite "cleaning only before company visits" failure in my process. my object here has been a V that works on Gales or other "small" systems; however I did most of the testing on a gentoo. only after thinking all was well and signing a patch did it occur to me to test all the pieces on a Gales system. Pressing worked fine - because I'd had the quirks of busybox patch in mind -
jfw: but I'd also brought an awk-based vdiff into the picture, which is broken there because of a busybox diff quirk I'd forgotten (replacing the names of inexistent files with "/dev/null").
jfw: now maybe this isn't a big enough problem to derail publishing - since previously there was no vdiff anyway on such a system; but that rather feels like propagating the "hygiene" problem. if a system can install code it should be able to edit it too ffs, or what are we making, iphones?
jfw: the awk-vdiff is certainly fixable but will be some work I hadn't planned on.
diana_coman: - trinque , do you realise we already have the *same* conversation in #trilema before? Here: ; *that is all there is* and sure, it's the description of the mechanism rather than the mechanism; if that's not enough, it's still all there currently is.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-26 19:51:45 trinque: diana_coman: there's the patches, and whatever selection mechanism everyone bitches every time I don't have.
ossabot: (trilema) 2020-03-01 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i suspect billymg 's thing might not actually include
diana_coman: jfw: ahaha; why don't you work on Gales anyway?
diana_coman: jfw: re derailing publication - your adventure there actually brought forward some *additional* part that you should write up and publish, namely those "quirks" of busybox and the like; as you noticed, you forgot some of them yourself so write them down in one place to have as reference already; esp if you want to make Gales useful, anyway.
diana_coman: so yes, sure, you don't have the v write up at the planned time; you still had though something to publish at that time: the summary of the adventure, with what came out of it; that is anyway the only thing that can ever be, after all - it's always exactly a summary of what you did and the fact that sometimes it happens to fit also previous plans and expectations does not make it something other than *what you did*.
diana_coman: dorion: what happened to you?
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jfw: diana_coman: ah, indeed - writing by focusing on the journey more than the destination. I'll get on that.
jfw: I've kept a gales and gentoo system side by side on the desk for a while now; what still keeps me defaulting to the gentoo is mainly X11.
jfw just got tripped up by the time change, 5 days in even; will be back at actually-19:00
diana_coman: jfw: oh huh, why x11? I mean: do you needed for the dev work you do?
diana_coman: need it*
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jfw: diana_coman: it's not strictly needed, but I find pasting in particular to be a pain without it
diana_coman: why/how?
jfw: maybe my tools just suck? but using tmux or screen as "window manager", it just takes quite a few keystrokes to get a particular thing selected then pasted, compared to 2 mouse clicks
jfw: this is more noticeable with irc compared to editing code though, to be sure
dorion: - I'm just about settled here and made progress on priorities. there was soem lingering emergency mode and I dropped my daily reviews. doing the weekly review helped me become aware of that.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-27 06:25:15 diana_coman: dorion: what happened to you?
diana_coman: jfw: possibly; but more to the point, a whole x11 for...copy/paste sounds certainly like overkill, no?
diana_coman: I have x11 ofc and all the bells and whistles for eulora client but otherwise (eg for server-side development) I never needed x11
diana_coman: it's true it's 20 years since I last used irc without x11 but I don't recall that being a problem at the time either, lol.
jfw: perhaps it's a situation of "driving the car to pick up the mail from the street just because I can", hm.
jfw: did you need to paste links or search logs in a browser as much 20 years ago though?
diana_coman: dorion: at least the 2nd layer of review caught it then, not that bad; (and glad to hear it wasn't anything worse than what sounds like too-much-on-local-plate, anyway)
diana_coman: jfw: possibly not; though I still wonder how I managed to keep track of all the convos given the format, lolz.
diana_coman: jfw: anyways, I suppose you can easily find out if you *really* need the x11 - just ditch it for a month and see what solution you find instead, heh.
jfw: there was a period of this even, pre-Gales when I was building this gentoo as 'recipes' atop a stage3. It did make me more efficient with tmux pasting and some tricks to pipe snippets in/out of vim, but was still a relief once I had the gui back. Open to suggestions on better ways :)
diana_coman: jfw: isn't the switch kbd/mouse/kbd annoying in itself? (it tends to annoy me and I usually avoid it)
diana_coman: jfw: why exactly a relief? that would be where you start from to find a solution; better ways to select or what?
jfw: the switching doesn't annoy me much when it saves time otherwise I guess. Perhaps a higher level to look at is why the 'need' to paste quite so much; maybe it turns out that I'm just trying to accelerate typing '' or something and there's better ways for that
diana_coman: or that, indeed; I was just thinking that I actually don't do *that* much pasting and certainly not at dev time, hm.
jfw: I don't have a more specific answer for why exactly, than already mentioned; happy to give it another try and observe closer.
dorion: diana_coman the 2nd layer indeed paid off and I'm back on track now. there is a lot on local plate, but it's all good.
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diana_coman: dorion, jfw there are quite a few of those articles listed in ^ that you'd benefit from (re-)reading but I especially recommend a read/re-read of and
diana_coman: I mean a read of the articles linked from there, not of my 1-sentence note on them, ofc.
jfw: thanks for the pointers diana_coman
dorion: thanks diana_coman, I'm looking forward to reading your review and the underlying texts.
diana_coman: np
diana_coman shall be back tomorrow
jfw: trinque: deedbot's been out since ping timeout last night
trinque: jfw: sorry about that; the refactored bot is literally running on a laptop.
trinque: moving it to permanent home tomorrow.
trinque: << wasn't aiming to rile anyone up. I wasn't clear on whether he'd done any additional work on the thing.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-27 06:14:37 diana_coman: - trinque , do you realise we already have the *same* conversation in #trilema before? Here: ; *that is all there is* and sure, it's the description of the mechanism rather than the mechanism; if that's not enough, it's still all there currently is.

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